{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":4.68,"endTime":6.72,"body":"Hello and"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":4.68,"endTime":6.72,"body":"welcome to design education"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":6.72,"endTime":10.53,"body":"talks from the new art school."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":6.72,"endTime":10.53,"body":"Our guest today is Taha Dury,"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":11.01,"endTime":11.91,"body":"welcome Taha!"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":13.65,"endTime":15.36,"body":"Thank you Lefteris,"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":13.65,"endTime":15.36,"body":"glad to be here!"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":16.17,"endTime":18.54,"body":"It's"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":16.17,"endTime":18.54,"body":"fantastic to have you here. So"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":18.54,"endTime":19.95,"body":"tell us about you and your work."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":21.9,"endTime":26.25,"body":"Well, by training I"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":21.9,"endTime":26.25,"body":"am I worked with architecture"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":26.25,"endTime":28.32,"body":"for years. But you cannot"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":26.25,"endTime":28.32,"body":"legally say that I'm an"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":28.32,"endTime":31.41,"body":"architect because I did not"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":28.32,"endTime":31.41,"body":"choose to go the professional"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":31.41,"endTime":34.92,"body":"way. I've studied at the"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":31.41,"endTime":34.92,"body":"University of Pennsylvania where"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":34.92,"endTime":39.18,"body":"I have my PhD in architecture."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":34.92,"endTime":39.18,"body":"Usually it's done through a"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":39.54,"endTime":42.78,"body":"historic perspective, because"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":39.54,"endTime":42.78,"body":"that's what it's believed to be"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":42.78,"endTime":45.03,"body":"the way to evidential"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":42.78,"endTime":45.03,"body":"theoretical"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":46.23,"endTime":50.58,"body":"argument to historic evidence."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":46.23,"endTime":50.58,"body":"By the time that I was finishing"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":50.58,"endTime":55.02,"body":"off my PhD, I was I moved to New"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":50.58,"endTime":55.02,"body":"York City at the same time, and"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":55.02,"endTime":60.45,"body":"was working in practice. 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So what is it that"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":219.57,"endTime":221.25,"body":"made you get into into teaching?"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":222.69,"endTime":226.92,"body":"Well, actually, my"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":222.69,"endTime":226.92,"body":"initial intent has be has been"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":226.92,"endTime":233.16,"body":"to become a university"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":226.92,"endTime":233.16,"body":"professor, because there is this"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":233.16,"endTime":236.61,"body":"misconception that people who"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":233.16,"endTime":236.61,"body":"talk about something are unable"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":236.61,"endTime":239.79,"body":"to practice it or unable to do"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":236.61,"endTime":239.79,"body":"it. That's why they speak of it."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":240.15,"endTime":244.23,"body":"And in order to dispel that"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":240.15,"endTime":244.23,"body":"notion on the most intimate and"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":244.23,"endTime":248.97,"body":"personal level of my own life, I"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":244.23,"endTime":248.97,"body":"started by actually practising"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":248.97,"endTime":255.48,"body":"architecture. 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And they don't know"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1264.1190000000001,"endTime":1266.729,"body":"what happened in between the"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1266.729,"endTime":1269.8490000000002,"body":"two, they have to re educate"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1266.729,"endTime":1269.8490000000002,"body":"themselves all over again, once"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1269.8490000000002,"endTime":1273.239,"body":"once they are in the work field."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1269.8490000000002,"endTime":1273.239,"body":"So I really would change that by"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1273.239,"endTime":1273.5990000000002,"body":"code."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1274.47,"endTime":1277.56,"body":"That is very"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1274.47,"endTime":1277.56,"body":"accurate. That is very accurate."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1279.72,"endTime":1282.45,"body":"So how can our viewers and"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1279.72,"endTime":1282.45,"body":"listeners find you?"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1284.4,"endTime":1287.73,"body":"How can they find me?"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1284.4,"endTime":1287.73,"body":"I'm actually quite available on"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1287.73,"endTime":1294.3,"body":"all the all the platforms. I'm"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1287.73,"endTime":1294.3,"body":"on LinkedIn. I'm on Instagram."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1295.0800000000002,"endTime":1299.49,"body":"Dr. Tara Dory is my name on"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1295.0800000000002,"endTime":1299.49,"body":"Instagram, on LinkedIn is Tara"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1299.49,"endTime":1305.16,"body":"Dory, tha D URI. 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Well, what would you also"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1450.72,"endTime":1454.38,"body":"say to students that would that"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1450.72,"endTime":1454.38,"body":"are starting out now on their"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1454.38,"endTime":1455.76,"body":"education journey."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1456.48,"endTime":1460.05,"body":"Many of the students"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1456.48,"endTime":1460.05,"body":"in the design field do not"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1460.05,"endTime":1463.38,"body":"really know what they're getting"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1460.05,"endTime":1463.38,"body":"into. I'm always surprised by"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1463.38,"endTime":1467.3700000000001,"body":"people of first year who don't"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1463.38,"endTime":1467.3700000000001,"body":"really have a clear idea of what"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1467.3700000000001,"endTime":1471.54,"body":"it is they're going to study. So"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1467.3700000000001,"endTime":1471.54,"body":"interior designers decoration"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1471.54,"endTime":1476.76,"body":"and architecture is contracting"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1471.54,"endTime":1476.76,"body":"and when it's anything but so I"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1476.76,"endTime":1481.38,"body":"think that once they enter into"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1476.76,"endTime":1481.38,"body":"this field, the best thing to do"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1481.5900000000001,"endTime":1485.0700000000002,"body":"is to consider those before them"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1481.5900000000001,"endTime":1485.0700000000002,"body":"as much a resource as the"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1485.0700000000002,"endTime":1488.91,"body":"faculty is because there's only"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1485.0700000000002,"endTime":1488.91,"body":"so much a faculty person can do."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1489.18,"endTime":1492.0900000000001,"body":"But people who have been in the"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1489.18,"endTime":1492.0900000000001,"body":"field around you even if they're"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1492.0900000000001,"endTime":1496.26,"body":"one year ahead of you will be"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1492.0900000000001,"endTime":1496.26,"body":"able to tell you maybe a word in"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1496.26,"endTime":1499.95,"body":"passing that will open up"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1496.26,"endTime":1499.95,"body":"horizons in front of you. So to"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1499.95,"endTime":1504.3600000000001,"body":"have that openness and also to"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1499.95,"endTime":1504.3600000000001,"body":"realise for the students that"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1504.3600000000001,"endTime":1508.38,"body":"everything around you is your"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1504.3600000000001,"endTime":1508.38,"body":"business, everything around you"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1508.41,"endTime":1512.97,"body":"is your concern. Do not ever"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1508.41,"endTime":1512.97,"body":"think that that there is"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1512.97,"endTime":1516.6000000000001,"body":"something that doesn't mean that"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1512.97,"endTime":1516.6000000000001,"body":"has nothing to do with you"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1516.75,"endTime":1519.24,"body":"because it's not designed it's"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1516.75,"endTime":1519.24,"body":"not architecture that's"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1519.24,"endTime":1522.75,"body":"something else. I had somebody"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1519.24,"endTime":1522.75,"body":"telling me how is this interior"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1522.75,"endTime":1526.23,"body":"design? It is interior design"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1522.75,"endTime":1526.23,"body":"and you will find out soon"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1526.23,"endTime":1530.01,"body":"enough just keep an open mind"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1526.23,"endTime":1530.01,"body":"and open heart. We do not work"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1530.01,"endTime":1533.3700000000001,"body":"any equations we work in"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1530.01,"endTime":1533.3700000000001,"body":"something that not necessarily"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1533.3700000000001,"endTime":1538.14,"body":"is arrived at by straight lines."},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1533.3700000000001,"endTime":1538.14,"body":"So if the road sounds and scenes"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1538.14,"endTime":1541.41,"body":"narrow and winding, it's because"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1538.14,"endTime":1541.41,"body":"that's the way he did. It is"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1541.44,"endTime":1546.21,"body":"just like the formation of a"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1541.44,"endTime":1546.21,"body":"human brain. It's complex. It's"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1546.21,"endTime":1549.48,"body":"exciting. It's full of"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1546.21,"endTime":1549.48,"body":"surprises, but it's definitely"},{"speaker":"Taha Duri","startTime":1549.48,"endTime":1550.38,"body":"worth the journey."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1552.63,"endTime":1554.16,"body":"Well, this"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1552.63,"endTime":1554.16,"body":"has been an amazing"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1554.91,"endTime":1559.23,"body":"conversation. Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1554.91,"endTime":1559.23,"body":"It's been a real pleasure. And"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1559.5,"endTime":1563.16,"body":"also looking forward to seeing"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1559.5,"endTime":1563.16,"body":"you on our design Education"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1563.67,"endTime":1571.92,"body":"Forum. Anytime it's my pleasure,"},{"speaker":"Lefteris Heretakis","startTime":1563.67,"endTime":1571.92,"body":"always. Bye bye"}]}