Diane Langberg
So I think one of the things you see in spades with celebrity pastors is their distance from their sheep. And they're just sheep too. 27:34--And so I think it's very important for pastors, certainly with maybe other pastors who are not in their congregation kind of thing. But it's also very important for them in ways that are wise and careful to share themselves within the congregation. Sometimes the whole congregation, you tell something about yourself or whatever, but other times, maybe with just two or three men in the church, who know you and love you, and want to know what was hard this week, and that you will pray for each other and things like that. 28:06 It's the isolation along with the celebrity thing that is so dangerous, very dangerous. And we're not meant for that. 28:18 And the other piece, of course, is with the pressure to be a celebrity pastor, whatever, if, if that's a measure of success, Jesus failed. And we do need to keep that in mind. You know, the mobs followed him a few times, but they also crucified him. Right, right. You know, the mobs, the mobs are not trustworthy. So, you know, he was with a few that he, and not just his disciples, but three of them, you know, he had different levels, I guess, of openness with those who were with him all the time. And I think that model is wise. I mean, he was perfect. He didn't need it, but he did it. He did it because he was human. And, and that's what we are. And so you need some in your close circle, who love you, and meet with you and all those things, and it's mutual, and then you need a bigger circle. And then you have the church.

Jason Daye
Yeah, that's, that's so good. Diana, in such a great reminder. I'm glad you brought up the idea of isolation, because it does seem that in the role of a pastor you can isolate yourself quite easily. And oftentimes, one, you don't recognize you're isolating yourself and, two, the actions that you're taking, that are helping you isolate, oftentimes are actions that you are taking with really good intentions, right? Because you're trying to be thoughtful, you're trying to, you know, think through things, you know, my role and my influence and those types of things. How do I need to… and so you're trying to process and so with good intention, you're doing certain things and yet those certain things are actually isolating you. And the more isolated you get, the more vulnerable you are, the more vulnerable you are than the more dangerous you are. There you go. Exactly. Diane, so let's just spend a little bit of time as we're kind of closing down on this idea of isolation. You've given some great thoughts about how pastors can avoid that. But can you talk to us a little bit how, how isolation kind of creeps up on us how we how we may be doing things, and not really recognizing that we're isolating ourselves in some of those things that we need to be aware of, regarding that?

Diane Langberg
Well, one of the ways we isolate is when we're doing something we probably shouldn't be doing. And we don't tell anybody. So somebody had some really hard things happen, and they're distressed, and they're hurting, and everything else, and they feed themselves by going back to pornography, that pornography they haven't looked at in 10 years, or something, right? Just something, you know, that gives to them. And it's extremely easy for that, then to wrap its rope around you and drown you with it. 31:35 And so the isolation that we need, also needs to be safe for our souls, and our minds. And so I think you have to be very active, thinking about that, you know, how are you going to… and, part of I think, is that it needs to be woven into a pastor's life. You know, I, I have needed that. And part of the way I've gotten it is taking some days off and going someplace, that's natural beauty. With things I want to think about things I want to ask God about things that I want to read, but also just to walk out in the beauty and soak it in and listen for him. And so there are wise and good ways to isolate. And we need them. Jesus needed them. And he was perfect. You know, and he often, you know, he went out and looked at the stars, that's what he did. He was up on top of mountain, we need to do that as well. But it needs to be safe for us. And sometimes we are the person who has to create the safety that we need in those places. Because you need to go someplace without a bunch of people hanging on to you. And I don't know how often we're active in thinking about, Is this safe for me to do? Is it safe for my soul?