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Transcript

Lindsey Vestal (00:00):

My guest is Melissa Morgan. She's a licensed and certified occupational therapist in New Jersey. She holds a bachelor's degree in athletic training from Huron University in South Dakota and a master's degree in occupational therapy from Dominican College in New York. She's also completed specialized training in pelvic health through the functional pelvis and sexual counseling. Currently, Melissa works at the Spine and Health Center of New Jersey in Park Ridge where she focuses on pelvic health, sexual wellness, and coaching women through perimenopause and menopause. Her passion is empowering women by educating them about their bodies and helping them advocate for themselves. She lives with her husband and two sons. She enjoys coaching her son's soccer and baseball teams and loves visiting national parks across the US and Canada. She also enjoys fishing and hiking with her family. New and seasoned OTs are finding their calling in pelvic health. After all. What's more a DL than sex? Peeing and poop? But here's the question. What does it take to become a successful, fulfilled and thriving OT in pelvic health? How do you go from beginner to seasons and everything in between? Those are the questions, and this podcast will give you the answers. We are inspired OTs. We are out of the box OTs. We are Pelvic Health OTs. I'm your host, Lindsay Vestal, and welcome to the OTs and Pelvic Health Podcast.

(01:35):

Melissa, what an absolute honor to have you as a guest on the OTs for Public Health podcast. I am so excited to have this conversation with you.

Melissa Morgan (01:44):

I'm so excited because I've been listening to you for a while now, and now it's like I'm on it, so I get to talk, so it's fun.

Lindsey Vestal (01:53):

Well, I have the pleasure of interacting with you quite often. You are a student in my level one functional pelvic health practitioner program. You're also an incredible member of the trauma-informed Pelvic Health certification, and so honestly, this was completely selfish because I just don't get enough time with you, even though I get to interact with you all the time.

Melissa Morgan (02:15):

I totally agree. I feel like we're friends already.

Lindsey Vestal (02:19):

Absolutely. Absolutely. So I would love to know, well, first of all, thank you for volunteering for this. I did a call on my OTs for Public Health Facebook group for anyone that would be interested in being a guest, and you had a really awesome idea to basically talk about an incredible role you have played in advocating for yourself to be a pelvic health occupational therapist. And so I know this conversation's going to be inspiring for so many reasons and for so many people. But I'd love to start with just asking you what initially drew you to Pelvic Health? Did you always know this is the path you wanted to take?

Melissa Morgan (02:59):

Actually, no, because this is actually my second career as an occupational therapist. My first career was athletic training. I was always an athlete, so I was like, let's stay in athletic training and stay with those athletes. I didn't know about OT back in the day 45, so it wasn't a popular profession, and if I did, I would've fell in love right away. So I love the medical part, but I love also being able to explore different areas of life. So I went into the OT route and stuck with pediatrics, and then what happened was I started listening. I guess what started me on this, which is really a funny story, is if anyone's familiar with Pure Romance, it's, it used to be a direct sales company. He's changed it since then, but a friend of mine wanted to have a party and we couldn't find a good rep for that.

(04:03):

I've been in direct sales before and I was like, let's do it. As I started doing these parties, I started noticing women don't know enough about their bodies. They don't even know that down there is called a vulva and not a vagina. So that's a main thing that people are mistaken. They don't know. Some people don't even know what the clitoris is all about and how big the clitoris is. So that's what initiated me. I started listening to different podcasts. I found your podcast, and that led me the right route to where I needed to go. I did take a little step off and went to Herman Wallace first, and then while I was in Herman Wallace, I learned all about Lindsey and the OT pioneers and it went right that direction. So that's how it led me right in this avenue right now.

Lindsey Vestal (04:55):

That is fantastic. I love that you entered it almost through the education aspect of it being in direct sales and you've got the personality for it. I could see you just really flourishing there in pretty much anything, but it just so happened to be that it led you down this path that you are very, very passionate about in supporting anyone and everyone that will listen to you. And I know it's also helped your mother. I mean, it has paid so many aspects of your life forward, and so yeah, that education, you're like, wow, women don't even know this about their body. They need to know these things. And then it led to on that path, which I think is pretty amazing. Yes. So can you walk us through how you transition into pelvic

Melissa Morgan (05:41):

Health? All right, so as an occupational therapist, I've been working in peds the whole time. I've always been interested in pediatrics because the job that I had before was with peds as a rehab aide, and I've been working with kids for a very long time. I'm in a school district setting. I kind of started realizing I might have some other passions figuring things out. So I did a lot of research. One of my best friends is actually, she was in PT school. She just graduated. She's been in many different careers also, and she's like, Melissa, look into, I just did a pelvic health course. Look into that and then look into Herman Wallace whenever somebody asks me what they should do or I took Herman Wallace and I'm ready to go. I always stop him in their tracks. I took Herman and Wallace before I knew about you, and it's a great course, but it's a crash course I feel like, and no offense to PTs that are taking it, go for it.

(06:47):

You might already be in a setting that more information than I do. That's great. I didn't get that education in OT school. So when I left there on that Sunday evening and they said, go for it, I was like, no, I'm not. I don't feel comfortable. You did coursework before and then when you went there, you did more coursework and then you had the labs in between. And I don't feel it gave ot and especially we're special because we have that bio-psychosocial aspect of what we do. We look at the person as a whole, and you don't get that in Herman Wallace. So I highly, highly recommend going your route with the OT pioneers because not only what I've learned by taking the courses and the different speakers that you've had, those live calls that we have, going one-on-one is outstanding. I've learned I think more in those settings than I did before.

(07:50):

And I love that in some of the calls, in the beginning calls, you have our peers educate us on certain conditions of the pelvic floor or later on the road, something else about pelvic floor, what are Kegels? And it's nice to hear from other people talking about it and understanding it. So as an ot, I know I was not prepared with Herman and Wallace. I honestly was kind of turned off. I was even thinking about going to another course for Herman Wallace before I looked at you more in depth and looked at the OT pioneers, and it made up my decision right away. I'm not putting any more money into it, not did I meet some amazing people in it and did I learn a lot and some of those PTs, I have one PT that follows me to this day that is always cheering me on.

(08:35):

Go Melissa, amazing. Alyssa's a sweetheart. She's always helping me out and always in my corner as a pt. She was assistant instructor in there. But what you provide for OTs, I feel like I'm way more prepared than I can even imagine. And we have that support system. I feel like I can't call on anyone in Herman Wallace right now where I can always go in our community or even you, you're always there for me and ask you, what do I do? You're there for me. I highly recommend OTs to go. You get so much more in depth, and it's more of what our field, like our ADLs, we have to pay attention to that, and that's our scope of practice. So with me stepping through, I made that transition to looking more and more in depth and did a lot of research and then going on Facebook groups.

(09:34):

I think I found your Facebook group, the OT pioneers, and started listening to people and reading about people. I started reading a lot more books and I'm like, you know what? I really need to transition into this. This is an important field. Also, I'm 45. I had kids late, so I think majority of us have had some form of pelvic health dysfunction or issues in the past. So my births were natural, but yet I did tear. I do have incontinence myself. There is leak problems, but it's really funny. It's like I have other back problems and everything that contribute to it, so I'm like, I need to help people out. I need to help women. So I went into this route and doing the OT Pioneer Pioneers and getting into the trauma informed, this is where I'm at now, and I've transitioned right into it, so I'm ready to go.

Lindsey Vestal (10:35):

That is where I want to go next. You did something incredibly exciting and so I'm excited to go there. Next before we do, I really feel like many OTs struggle with imposter syndrome, especially when entering a new specialty like pelvic health. Did you experience this and if so, how did you overcome it?

Melissa Morgan (10:58):

I think everyone definitely is going to experience this. They're always, because this is a little niche of OT, and if you're like me in my school, they didn't teach us anything about pelvic health. Plus, especially as an ot, we're not trained as much in the muscles. They don't emphasize the muscles as much as they do. I feel like in the physical therapy, I've felt as I'm out there, even as I'm advertising myself right now, I'm watching the PTs that are in pelvic health that are in my area that are online doing Instagram, and I'm like, can I really do what they do? Do I know what I'm doing? And I've, one of your podcasts that I listened to talked about the imposter syndrome, and what you said that was really big and really resonated with me was that I know more information than the walking in right now, and I can easily help them because I have that.

(11:59):

So I could tell them. So I keep on telling myself, I think we all have that. I just keep on telling myself, I know this information. I'm passionate about this. I have the skills. I could do this, and even you're going to help. I had this imposter syndrome when I started as OT in a second career, and I look back at it and I think everyone learns by hands on and being in the situation. So I think, yeah, you're going to feel that at first, but I think by the time if I look back at this 10 years down the line or five years down the line, I'm going to be like, why did I feel that way? I knew what I was doing. Did I gain more information? But yes, so you got to go in as being confident and knowing, because you do have the information I've read. I've worked hard, I've taken courses, I know what I'm doing.

Lindsey Vestal (12:46):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. And I always say that if we don't get started, we won't have that opportunity to practice and perfect and grow. Because I think that one of the things besides experiencing imposter syndrome that we have in common as OTs is this desire to be a lifelong learner and to continually challenge ourselves. If we don't get started, we don't have that opportunity to challenge ourselves and to step into that expert that we wish we were. So you're right, one foot in front of the other, just keep on going. And yes, we definitely know more than the client coming in. My husband Doug always says, you just have to read one chapter ahead. You just always have to be one step ahead and you've got this. Anyway. I love that. I love that perspective. Okay, so here is the exciting thing. Here's the reason why I really wanted to have this conversation with you today, and that is you basically created a pelvic health position where one didn't exist, right? You landed a public health role in a setting that didn't previously have one. Melissa, how did you advocate for yourself and pitch this position?

Melissa Morgan (13:56):

Okay, so this was tough for me because after I had taken your first beginning course with OT pioneers, I was like, okay, I'm ready to go, but what setting do I want to get into? I feel like if I became into a private setting by myself, I didn't have the support that I wanted. So I was like, I could do that and I could not do that. I did speak with a good friend of mine that has a mental health clinic that wants to go into the women's setting, but my path, the way it worked, we weren't lined up yet to be like, she didn't have the room for me yet. She didn't have the facility for me to keep my stuff there. So I was like, I'm not going to go into that setting. So I went to, with my friend, I went to, it's a local moms group that had this big luau this summer, this past summer.

(14:46):

They were like, all these vendors were there from, I even met the other PT that's down the street from us that does pelvic floor, and they're all around and they're talking, and the Spine and Health Center of New Jersey came over. And of course I spoke about Pure Romance, my key thing right now. And then I said, I am going to start practicing as a pelvic floor therapist. And they're like, you know what? You need to come talk to us. So when the event died down, I went over to their booth and I met Carrie, who is an amazing physical therapist that's been working for this clinic for years. She's been a part of it from the beginning. And she's like, you know what? We don't have an OT right now. We're hiring one, but she's not pelvic floor. She's all about lymphedema and basically orthopedic.

(15:38):

And I'm like, okay, alright. I struggled so much with should I do this? Should I not do this? And I'm big about mental health. I see my therapist every other Thursday, my Nancy, I love that woman. She's like, Melissa, I don't know what you're worried about. Just go for it. Go reach out to this clinic. Go sell yourself. You know what you want. You know you want to do, get in there. I did a little more research about Spine and Health Center, and it's a chiropractor, physical therapy functional medicine facility. Didn't talk a lot about ot, but they have the same kind of sense of what I want to do. They're about looking on the outside of the box instead of staying strictly to the inside of the box, they look at different things. So what I did is I took my information of what I know, put it into a flyer.

(16:31):

So basically it was my resume, not my resume, it was my pelvic floor, take me on resume. I wrote it down on, made it nice and neat on which Im call it that app Canva. I made it beautiful Canva, this flyer, and I put all the points on why you should put pelvic floor into your facility. I contacted the owner. The owner happened to be a good friend of a friend of mine, and I said, Hey, just give her a heads up that I'm calling and that she needs to talk with me. It's important. So I ended up going in, I met with Kelly, who's a chiropractor, and Carrie who is the physical therapist, and their energy was the same as mine. One of the quotes that came out from Dr. Kelly was awesome because I said, I'm very out there. I'm very loud. I love to talk.

(17:23):

I love to get in and help people. And I said, my husband kind of gets annoyed with me sometimes because they call me the mayor of the town. Sometimes I walk around and talk to all these people, but it's like, I like to talk with them, see how they're doing. So she said, Melissa, your energy is awesome. That lioness that you have in me, don't ever tame it or have in you don't ever tame it. And that's something that I think it clicked right there as these people are my people. I love them. I got to be there. So after talking in long discussion, they're like, Melissa, I explained that this is an up and coming thing. It's becoming more and more popular. And as an ot, I do the biocycle social approach. I look at the body as a whole. We don't focus on just, oh, you have pelvic pain.

(18:11):

Let's just focus on that. Or you have the incontinence. Let's just focus on that. There might be other things going on in their environment. I said, that's why I enjoy, and I'm talking to a PT at the same time with this and trying to explain to her that this, I like the overall environment. I love to look like I said, outside the box. And leaving that day, I was so pumped. I was so nervous going into it. I get nervous about anything though, believe it or not. But I was so pumped walking out of there, knew it was such a good fit. And they emailed me later on and said, well, as I was leaving, they're like, let's get this done. When are you ready to go? And this was tough because this was around Thanksgiving, I think, and then it was into December. So it's tough months to get things pumping and going. So things slowly progressed, but it was just found out it was the right fit. But basically I was a salesperson. I went in and sold myself and sold pelvic health and how important it's to have in your setting because women, there's not enough opportunities, even though there's more of us out there, I can't believe the community right now when I go out and say I do pelvic floor. They're like, well, what is that? I'm like, you're a woman. You should know this.

(19:27):

I talked all about it and how it's important. And this is where we're at. I'm sitting inside my therapy room right now with all my beautiful pelvic floor models and signs up and I'm ready to go. I love this.

Lindsey Vestal (19:41):

That is so clear. That is so clear. And I just have to say so many incredible things that you just shared with us. Number one, I love this pelvic floor. Take me on resume. Yeah, I had to mute. I had to mute myself when you said that because I wouldn't, my laughter would've just taken over that entire explanation. I'd love that. But Melissa, you not only advocated for all of your future clients with this proposal that you put together, you advocated for our profession, you advocated for yourself, you advocated for your family, and that is just such a beautiful thing. It took a lot of courage and it worked. I also believe that if it didn't work, you would've found the next place and the next place. I don't think you would've given up. You got really incredibly lucky that there was a match of energy there, that they loved you just as much as you loved them.

(20:44):

That is such a rare and beautiful thing and that out of box ness. And so part of me really hears your story and says, you already found a match. It's kind of finding your ideal client, right? We talked about ways to find our ideal client. One of the ways that worked for me in New York City was offering community workshops because I attracted people that wanted education that wanted to learn more about their body. You found a place that was already out of the box that already was interested in being creative and solution oriented and bio-psychosocial, if you will. And I think that that was that first step that you did. You didn't go to a hospital-based system. You didn't go to something that was corporate. So I want to point that out. And I also love that you said, I sold myself and I sold pelvic health. I really let them know the passion and the incredible service that you're going to be able to provide for their facility. And that is amazing.

Melissa Morgan (21:43):

Yes. It's funny because my current coworkers in pediatrics, in working the school base, I think they have filled my passion and have heard, and I think I've educated them. I walk in every day when I learn something new, and I even have women walking down the hallway that are teachers because teachers struggle at being able to even use the restroom. They're not allowed to leave their classroom. And I have one in particular, I saw her today, she goes, I know it's late this afternoon and I've only peed twice. But actually that's good for her. She only pees once usually. And I'm like, you're not doing any service for you. You got to find it. You got to find it. But I think my passion does resonate to other people because of the feedback I get from them. And I'm lucky. I've always been told, and I give this a lot of credit to my parents.

(22:34):

I've always been told I'm very easy to be around. I'm easy to talk to. And I mean, we're on a podcast, you can't see my face, but I smile from ear to ear. You see all my teeth, and once I find something that I love and I want to educate people, you see it all over my body. You hear it, you see it, you see my actions. So I think that's what sold it even more is walking in and them seeing, this is what I'm about and this is what I need to do. And you're right, Lindsay, if it wasn't that right fit, I probably would've hopped to something else. So

Lindsey Vestal (23:11):

No, not everybody listening is going to be as extroverted as you

Melissa Morgan (23:14):

Are. No,

Lindsey Vestal (23:16):

But I know they're as passionate as you are.

Melissa Morgan (23:19):

And

Lindsey Vestal (23:20):

So do you have any thoughts on how other OTs who maybe aren't as extrovert, aren't as comfortable in taking all the initiative you took? Any thoughts or advice to them on how they could also do something similar, potentially create a public health position where one didn't exist, but do it in a way that would be authentic to them?

Melissa Morgan (23:44):

They find that the best way that they communicate. So if they feel better about reaching out an email first, if they feel better about just having a one-on-one conversation with someone on the side, sometimes people like to talk things out. So if they want to practice interviewing with someone else, I am up with the popular thing with Mel Robbins right now and reading Let Them, it's an awesome message. I've had to learn as an older age because I was like the typical, typical young child and teenager. I let what people's opinions matter too much. You have to understand, if you have the passion and you want to do something, you got to go out and go get it. Don't let anyone let you down. Don't let anyone stop you. Don't let anyone's thoughts. And I've even talked with this with my therapist, Nancy. It's like there's PTs out there in the same area that may take a different chance than me.

(24:48):

Am I going to be able to do what they do? And I just remember I might have a different type of approach than others. And like you said, finding the right, just the client that kind of suits you. And that's what I'm doing too. And I've asked you for help, which you're amazing and help me out so much. I think I message you almost every day for stuff. And with your busy lifestyle. I don't know how you're finding time to answer me, but I've asked you many times, I've gotten frustrated with the start of this because I was ready to go beginning of January and here it is February, what are we on February 12th? And things were just getting started. And I was like, what do I do? And I knew the answer, but I think I needed you to tell me. You said, go out into the community.

(25:35):

People will get your personality. So you have to find what's right for you. So there's many ways of approaching people not the way that I do it is going to reach other people because other people might be introverted and they might not like this loud, smiley person coming at them. So you have to understand that maybe they prefer emails. So don't hesitate. If you are an OT in public health right now and you're nervous about selling yourself to someone, or you're nervous about going out to clinics or developing, I've seen so many on your page, developing a program in your hospital being like, this is it. Especially hospital-based or skilled nursing facilities. That's where women need it the most because they're walking around with UTIs all the time and nobody's helping them. They don't understand it. Develop that program, keep going. If you strike out, then keep going. Don't stop. If you're passionate about it, keep going. So that's my take on it.

Lindsey Vestal (26:34):

I really like how you anchored that. I really like this idea that it's around communication and finding the communication for you that's authentic. And it doesn't have to be that you're on TikTok pointing to all of the invisible word bubbles, right? It's what matches you because at the end of the day, you found your passion. So now piece together something that's authentic for you. But I do very much agree with you. I think it does start with that communication. What advice do you have for new grads or even generalist OTs who are interested in pelvic health and just aren't too sure where to start?

Melissa Morgan (27:15):

There is so many OTs that are up and coming in pelvic floor. I mean, hello looking. I mean, you've been around. You have so much on the website, functional pelvis. You have so much information on there. You even have a quick little course that we could sit through for, I think it's an hour to give you some. Yeah, do your research. I even tried to reach out to some pelvic floors. I think I used your Facebook page and reached out to some OTs and they were all amazing. They're like, if you want to call me, we are an amazing community. I mean, I'm not just saying this, but even because I'm an ot, but I have to tell you, I think what makes an OT is the person you are. And what makes a great OT is how you are and how you treat others.

(28:13):

And we are awesome. I mean, being on any of your life calls that we do in your courses, I told you I get such a high afterwards. The people at work are like, did you take something? Are you on coffee? What caffeine did you take? I'm like, listen, I'm high on life. I'm living it up. This is my passion. And these women, such an amazing community that you could tell that some of 'em are afraid to come out, but we're in the chat box cheering each other on being like, what a great point. Or you got this, or I just found so many people by just researching on Facebook and then talking to people. And even if I got, I called to try to follow an OT in this area that was, or a pelvic floor therapist in this area that was pt, and I was denied.

(29:04):

So I was like, okay, I just got to keep going. So I mean, that's what I did. I just did my research. And there's tons of different types of OTs on Instagram that you can look at and what they talk about and what they do. And if that's not your thing, look online, look on their websites. And I said, Lindsay, you have tons of information for anyone that wants to go into it and see in your community. If there's any ot, I'd be willing to welcome any student in here that is interested or any OT that's interested. I want them to know that if this is their passion, they need to follow it.

Lindsey Vestal (29:47):

Melissa, if you had to, and this might be a really hard question for you to answer, what would be the single most rewarding aspect of working in pelvic health for you?

Melissa Morgan (29:58):

I mean, I've even had, just by talking to women now and educating them on things is hearing. I heard one woman on a post that was in the community that I had posted my event that I have on the 20th. She wrote, I wish somebody told me sooner, two years, I was forced to be in this situation and deal with this. And doctors were telling me it's normal. And I think in one of our discussions on the Facebook group, sorry, I relate a lot to the Facebook, the group, but I learned so much on there. Somebody had written, and I think it was regards to Catherine Hagels campaign about the poise pads. Someone had written that, yeah, leaking is common, but it's not normal. And if somebody told women out there years ago that, yeah, it's common, but it's not normal. I can help you and it could be such an easy fix.

(31:02):

I don't have to see you for months and months down the road. And women don't realize this. So when I have women turning around and being like, thank you for doing this, that alone, I mean, my mom, we talked about before, after learning more about PCOS and really focusing on what her details were when she was trying to get pregnant, she had cysts on her ovaries, excessive hair growth. Her periods were horrible. I'm like, mom, you had PCOS. And she's like, what? And I explained everything and she goes, oh my gosh. She had a hard time getting pregnant. I was like, you have had this and now you're in your seventies and you were never told this and you had to have a hysterectomy at the age of 50, and nobody's educating you on this. So just hearing women getting better and feeling better and feeling more norm. That's what I love.

Lindsey Vestal (32:00):

Absolutely. Absolutely. There's literally nothing better. We have the best job in the world. We just do. One last question for you. We both, we can talk for hours. Is there a mantra, a book, a piece of advice that has really shaped your career in pelvic health and your outlook in general to reinventing yourself?

Melissa Morgan (32:28):

Since I drive 25 minutes to work and back, I like to educate myself. I listen to so many podcasts, so many books. So I started, one thing I have to say that has always stood out is going back in the day with my dad. My dad taught me at a very young age. He's very old school. You go to work unless you're on your deathbed type. But my dad always told me, Melissa, if you want something, you have to go out and get it. It's not going to fall on your lap. You can't just sit there and expect it to do it. So that mantra is always in my head. I feel I've gone where I've gone in life because of him and because of how he brought me up. We have so many new books out there from people writing. I've listed so much with Dr. Kelly Casperson is a great asset with her urology and turning it more into really focused on helping women out instead of letting them be on the side as a urologist.

(33:32):

The one book that comes out of me a lot is, and I know a lot of people haven't heard of it as much, but all in our head, and I can't remember it was Dr. I can't remember her. I have to look it up. But all in Our Head was an amazing book. It talked about women in history and how we've been treated in history and even to this day. But it goes back into the days of slavery and the fishers that had happened to slaves after having tons of babies and how a gynecologist was doing surgery on this slave of, and I think he did 30 surgeries until he found out how to do the fissures without anesthesia. And I'm like, this is not okay. Women. Women were always tossed aside. It is just not okay anymore. And we're finally starting to get more of a voice and saying, we don't need to drink wine to feel better about ourselves. We don't need to pee in pain when we have sex. We don't not have to pee our pants every time we laugh. This just has to stop. So I went into more of a tangent on this and went different direction, how passionate I am about it, but I really love the book all in her head and definitely what my dad said, if you want something, you got to go out and go get it. It's not going to come to you.

Lindsey Vestal (34:53):

I can relate so much to that. I think my dad was a very similar, is a very similar influence in my own life and in my own head.

Melissa Morgan (35:03):

I mean, we're lucky to have you are. I mean, I flat out tell you, I tell people, oh, I'm doing a podcast today and I'm talking with my mentor. I can't wait to meet her. You've been such a support. The thing is, I know I'm not special. I know you just don't do it for me. You do it for everyone. I know you give so much of yourself to the community and to the OTs, and I love that what you have done into the program, even where you had just that small portion of the OT Pioneer and then you have the Elevate, and then you have the trauma informed, and now you're turning into a certification program, which is outstanding because we all know that when you go out there, people are looking for certifications no matter what. They don't really care sometimes whether you're good at what you do, they want that certification. So it gives us as OTs that recognition not to be bad to PTs, but we can say, yeah, we're certified also in ot. We know our stuff too. Even though you guys have been doing it and people know pt, we're OTs. We're here in pelvic health. We're not going. I

Lindsey Vestal (36:13):

Can't thank you enough for sharing this conversation with us today, for giving us some insight into the remarkable person that you are. And I'm always going to be your cheerleader. I am here for you every step of the way, and thank you for taking the time to share this with us today.

Melissa Morgan (36:32):

Thank you, Lindsay. This was a fun opportunity for me. I'm so pumped about what is in hold for my future and I can't wait to meet my future patients.

Lindsey Vestal (36:42):

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