How Persistence and Relationships Built The Holistic Pelvis

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Transcript

Lindsey Vestal:
New and seasoned OTs are finding their calling in pelvic health. After all, what's more ADL than sex, peeing, and poop? But here's the question. What does it take to become a successful, fulfilled, and thriving OT in pelvic health? How do you go from beginner to seasoned and everything in between? Those are the questions, and this podcast will give you the answers.

We are inspired OTs. We are out-of-the-box OTs. We are Pelvic Health OTs.

 I'm your host, Lindsay Vestal, and welcome to the OTs in Pelvic Health podcast. My guest today is Weslena Maxey, the owner of The Holistic Pelvis. She is an ambitious pelvic floor OT, has a husband and two kids, and started her private practice in 2022 in Oklahoma. When she's not educating and empowering her clients in pelvic health, you can find her listening to a good audio book and drinking coffee on the back porch on a cool day. I can't wait for you to hear today's conversation. Weslena, thank you so much for being a guest on the OTs for Pelvic Health podcast. This is kind of a special episode because we're joined by my husband, Doug Vestal, so we're kind of doing a co-hosting thing here, and that's because I really want to focus both on your pelvic health private practice, the work you're doing to enrich your community, as well as the incredible work you've been doing from the business side. And I couldn't really, I don't have the expertise to speak to that. So, Doug, thank you for being here as well, so that we can kind of merge these two topics for today's episode.

Doug Vestal:
Yeah, happy to be here.

Weslina Maxey: 
Yeah, I'm happy to be here. Me too. I am so excited about this talk.

Lindsey Vestal:
Awesome. I'd love to kick it off with the business stuff. So, Doug, I know you've got a couple questions in mind that you'd love to ask Weslena.

Doug Vestal:
Yeah. So, Weslena, you've had your practice now a few years, right? The holistic pelvis. And I'd love for you to cover, you know, what was the biggest challenge you faced when starting your own practice? You know, this could be in the early days or, you know, now after having been in practice a couple of years for yourself.

Weslina Maxey: 
Yeah, that's a great question. I would say I'm going to answer it with two things. Separating business and work, or business, work, and family. Separating those two. And also getting people to know what pelvic floor therapy is in my small town, Bible Belt area, and what pelvic floor therapy can help with. I feel like that was my biggest feat, and still sometimes is. It's getting a lot more. I'm getting people to be more comfortable talking about it, because all I do is talk about my business. So the more you talk about it, the more people are like, okay, like she's real and she's for real with talking about these topics. I'm going to go to her, you know, after the third or fourth time they've talked to me. So I feel like those are the two things. Separating family and work, and then getting people to realize like what pelvic floor therapy is and how it can help.

Doug Vestal: 
Yeah. Well, and I love something that you said there that's embedded in it, is that it takes repetition. It doesn't just happen immediately. And I think that's a misconception a lot of people have when they first hang out their shingle is that I'm a fantastic therapist. Everybody's going to come to me automatically. And then you realize that actually there's going to be crickets if you're not the one out there promoting your services and connecting with those in the community.

Weslina Maxey: 
Yes, very much so. And that's another thing that I have realized of like, it might even not take four times. It might take eight times for someone to hear about it. I mean, if you think about the ads or things you see on Facebook or whatever, you're on, you see it multiple times before you probably buy it. And so the same thing goes with a service. Like you're going to, you need to hear about it so many times before you're like, okay, she's speaking to me today and I'm finally going to book or whatever it may be.

Lindsey Vestal:
Well, and you're known as like the pelvis lady in your area, right? 

Weslina Maxey: 
I am. Yeah. And it's no coincidence that I am because that's really, I mean, I talk about my business a lot. I go to coffee networks with the chamber and I talk about it weekly or biweekly, depending on how often I get to go. And when I go to events, I usually wear a shirt with my logo on it. So everybody knows my little rainbow logo and they see it and they think of me. I went to an event and they were like, yeah, they recognized me and they were like, you're, you're, you're the pelvis lady. And I said, yeah, that's me. And then ever since then, I actually have it on my business shirts now.

Lindsey Vestal:
And I'm pretty sure you've got, nobody can see us because this is an audio recording, but I'm pretty sure you're wearing pelvis earrings right now. Is that correct? 

Weslina Maxey: 
Yes, I am. My husband made them.

Lindsey Vestal:
You got to bring into the summer this year with Lena. 

Weslina Maxey: 
I know. I know. I'm trying to talk them into it. So we'll see. We're moving and stuff right now. So we'll see. 

Doug Vestal: 
I'd love to dig into this aspect of persistence a little bit, because I think persistence is a challenge for a lot of people when they're first starting their practice, because it requires you to show up, put aside your feelings of like an imposter. And it requires you to do a lot of work without knowing whether or not it's going to, to actually bring in clients, right? Like you have to experiment with a lot of different stuff. You have to give workshops, you have to outreach to referral sources, and it can be crickets. And a lot of people will get demotivated after they've done that first outreach or the second or third outreach. But one of the things that's really impressed me, you know, working with you is just your level of commitment and your level of dedication to getting the word out. So how do you find that inner motivation? 

Weslina Maxey: 
I don't, I don't like where, or I don't like failing for one. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it. And no matter if I'm scared, no matter if I think it may fail, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. And why not find that inner motivation for my husband? Because he's very, very supportive and he, he is my rock and he has kept me motivated and kept me steady because we have two young kids and it's hard when you, you know, you have a workshop that evening and you're like, you know, I'd rather just spend it with the kids. Or there's an event like a business event that I could network at. Sometimes I would rather, you know, be with the kids, but it's that persistence and that consistency of continuing to show up, continuing for people to see my face, see my logo, see what I'm about. And I'm not saying that you have to say yes to every event. And that's actually something I learned throughout your course of it's okay to say no as well. Which goes with that challenge that I was talking about of separating business and family and like really knowing your priorities and knowing what you value. Because I mean the whole point of owning your business is so you can make your own schedule. You can still spend time with your kids and things like that. So one thing that I learned throughout your course of saying no to things that don't really make sense and saying yes to things that do make sense. Like for example, like I went to a art festival with like they had booths out and I don't know why I said yes. Honestly, I was a booth there. Like I think I had five people come up and it was a really, really long event and I honestly disliked the whole thing. Not the event itself, just being there and having my whole day and night away from my kids for no reason, honestly. And then saying yes to things like a pregnancy expo or a women's like night out type deal vendor event. So definitely saying yes and no to specific things. And that's helped a lot. 

Doug Vestal: 
Yeah. Yeah. And I think it takes a little bit of time to develop that discernment muscle that you're talking about. Cause that's really what, what it is, is especially in the beginning, everything seems like an equal opportunity, you know, an equal payoff and everything. And then once you start going, you start understanding your community and potential referral sources. You can really start to see where it's been, where it makes sense to spend the most amount of time because you know, Oh, I'm getting more clients from this type of activity. So let me do more of those and press pause on, on the other things. I mean, you've, you've been in practice now, you know, multiple years. Can you think of like the biggest piece of advice that you've received that's shifted things in your practice? 

Weslina Maxey: 
Yes. And I can owe this all to you actually, Doug. And I think about it, like I started your course back in October, so it's almost been six months now, which I'm really sad about. I might continue doing the monthly thing cause I love our calls and things. But so the biggest piece of advice is relationships. You are dating your referral parties, so you need way more touch bases than you think. You think you're, you're good with reaching out two times, maybe even three times, but no, like it again, takes those multiple seven, eight, 10 times and you know, touching base every other month, every month, you know, and it doesn't have to be the same touch base. It can be an email once, it can be a fall phone call. The next, it can be an in-person thing the next time it can be a coffee date or whatever it may be, but relationships and thinking of it as you're dating your referral parties and continuing that relationship, it doesn't ever stop. 

Doug Vestal: 
Yeah. 

Lindsey Vestal:
What I love about, sorry, what I love about what you said is dating your referral parties because what that denotes to me is a mutuality. You are not just performing for them or trying to get them to send people to you. You are also interviewing them. The word dating to me indicates that there's a symbiotic relationship there. And I think that's really important to emphasize because our reputation is at stake as well. When we are able to send people to that referring party back and forth seamlessly. And so I think thinking of both parties as equal is a really important mind shift change there that you seem to have really, really stepped into.

Weslina Maxey:
Yeah, I would agree. And also you get to know like who's your people and who's, you're not, who's not. Because again, in dating, like if someone's not reciprocating either referrals or if they're not reciprocating, like messaging back or calling back or, you know, continuing that relationship as well. Sometimes I'm like, okay, well maybe, you know, maybe that's not my person, my referral party. And that's okay. Sometimes I'll continue to reach out just to make sure, you know, you know, everybody's busy, especially in business. So yeah, I would definitely agree with that. It's definitely mutual. 

Doug Vestal: 
Yeah. And I think it raises a good point, which is that like the way you show up in your business is incredibly important for the image that you are projecting, right? So if you are contacting referral sources and they're not getting back to you, it's, you're going to have that question of, well, are they going to ignore clients or are they going to ignore people that are interacting with them? What are, what is their response time going to be like if I send people to them? These are all meta messages that we're looking at, right? When we're having these human interactions, we're going, is this person trustworthy? Is this person responsible? Is this person on time? Right. And these are things that is important for us as business owners to also do on the other side, right? Like returning emails properly, return like client inquiries properly. If you get a question from a referral source, like you don't sit on it forever, like you're going back to them because they might not be thinking of it consciously, but they are forming that unconscious opinion to decide whether or not to, to like and trust you. And so that reciprocality of how you show up in your relationship with them is, is, is really important. I'd love to ask you about investing in yourself because, you know, I've worked with a lot of OTs. I have a lot of interaction with OTs and I think a lot struggle to invest in themselves and especially invest in their practice early on. And there's many that will look at the cost of just, of joining a program and go, well, I'd rather DIY it and spend my time doing it. And what I've found over the years is that they end up making a lot of mistakes and wasting a lot of time in the beginning. But they're nervous and fearful about investing in a program like private pay MBA. So what would be sort of your piece of advice for any OT that's considering investing in themselves and joining private pay MBA? 

Weslina Maxey:
That's a great question. And it's actually kind of a funny story. So at first I did kind of try to do DIY and then I also ended up perching Danica Vuela's membership. And I will say my mindset wasn't ready at that time. I didn't really know what questions to ask. I didn't know what I was missing at that time. And that has nothing to do with her membership. I think I just needed a different direction, different guidance in a way. And this goes finding the right fit for you. So I will say with like private pay MBA, it told me what I needed and it's extremely planned out very well. So kudos to you. And it's like when people say I go to target and it tells me what I need. Right. I in my business from the outside, I didn't necessarily need anything. I was getting clients.I was slowly growing. But once I listened to my gut and just went for it, I begin the course and full force. Like, and I, it told me what I needed. Like I went through it. I did the work. I didn't back down. My mindset was right. And your course, it told me what I was missing. And I'm in my sixth month of the course, like I was saying, and my website is way more amazing, has gotten more views. I've increased my Google reviews and my consults turning into clients has tripled. If you do the work and you ask the questions, you will not regret it. It'll be paid back and dividends. Like I cannot express that enough being I'm on my third year going into business. So a little over two and a half years. And obviously I wish I would have done it sooner. But like I said, I would say invest in it, switch your mindset of like go time. And why? I mean, spend that much and don't dilly dally around, like do the work, ask the questions because you're there to answer any questions that we have, which is amazing. And there's no dumb questions. And that's the amazing thing. Like, and it doesn't also have to be someone that's been in business for two and a half years, three years. It can be someone that's starting out. And that's another thing that I love about your course is that there's a wide variety of people. And so people can see like, okay, they're two and a half years in, or, okay, that person's just starting, but actually I didn't even know that answer, you know? So I actually listened to all of your calls from back in the day. And then also during the course that I've been, and it's been super helpful just get questions answered that I didn't even think about.

 Doug Vestal: 
Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Thank you. And I mean, you are just knocking it out of the park with the amount of action that you're taking. And it's like the, the, I always say like the information is there, the support is there, but then it's the implementation is, is everything because that is really where the problem is going to arise. Right. Where, where you translate your theoretical knowledge to like, what do I actually do in this practical situation? I'm, you know, running a community event this weekend. What do I need at my table? Like how do I follow up with people and just really blocking and tackling all of that stuff? I'd love to ask you just one more question about the business, which is, you know, you now have a great perspective, right? Cause you've been in business almost three years. So if you, what would you tell an OT if they could only focus on three things within their practice? What do you think those three things are? 

Weslina Maxey:
So I would go back to my past answer of like relationships, thousand percent. And then second, speaking about your business, speaking about it, being proud about it. You sometimes at the very beginning, when I started talking about it, I was like, Oh, this is going to be my whole identity and people are going to get annoyed with me. But honestly, they want to hear about it. They want to hear how it's going. They want to hear, you know, what I've been doing in my practice and things like that. And so speaking about it and being confident when you're speaking about it and then how you speak on your consult calls, how you word things. So I was getting plenty of consults before I started your course, but how I was speaking on them, I've changed how I word things. And that has been a huge game changer. Cause like I said, my, my client ratio from consults to actually turning into clients has been has tripled because of how I'm wording things in my consult. So that's a big thing that I would focus on as well. 

Doug Vestal: 
I mean, that's amazing.That just a simple change of wording things in your consult can, can have such a huge, enormous, like outsized impact on your business, right? Like you're not going out and necessarily having to do a lot more marketing to fill your schedule. It's like, no, I already had some people calling. And if I can go from quote unquote, converting like 30% of them to 90% of them, like you are tripling your caseload without really having to do additional work, you know, and that's the whole like working smarter, not harder that like, I really, I really like because there are there are missed opportunities in all of our businesses where we just have this leakage, you know, if we can just go and find those places and shore them up, then that's how you get a successful business without working harder and burning yourself out. You're just being more effective with, with your time and your energy. 

Weslina Maxey:
Yes. Yeah.

Lindsey Vestal:
If I could just say something about the DIYing too, because I think, you know, as OTs we're super creative and we're just really ready to roll up our sleeves at any given time because it's kind of fun to do that. But I think there is, it comes a point in all of our business lives where we realize like being in that community environment, like you said, you're surrounded by a cohort of people who are just beginning and you're learning from them. And you may be surrounded by people who are even years beyond where you are and you're learning from them and you would never get that in a DIY DIY environment. So I just wanted to point that out because that really rung true to me because I definitely was a DIYer when I first got started. And I think that there just comes a point in our lives when we realize maybe that's not serving us to the fullest. And so I'm so glad that you found that point. It sounds like it's, it's really been incredible for your business.

Weslina Maxey:
I really agree with that. And that as occupational therapists, we are kind of, we, we like to do those things. But where is our time needed? Where is going to really grow our business in a sense? And that also leads me to like talk about a VA. I would say that's another piece of advice. Sorry. So I'm going to say for that. You hire a VA before you think you need to. Because I did like doing my social media and I did like, you know, doing my brochures and things like that and graphics. And, but that's not where I need my time now, every now and then I still do it just for funsies, but that's not where I'm spending majority of my time. Majority of my time is building those relationships. Majority of my time is getting those consults and booking those consults and things like that. So I would also say that too, for a VA. 

Lindsey Vestal:
If I could share my own experience, which is actually quite topical is just this week, Weslina, I asked my VA to start editing my podcasts. So this point I've been recording and editing and doing it all because I enjoy it. Like, I like being able to kind of like, yeah, like I was present for the conversation I was in it. So who knows better than to edit it, but literally just this week. And I told Doug, I feel this huge relief now that I've made that decision.She's knocking it out of the park. She's amazing. Thank you, charm.

 Doug Vestal: 
Thank you, charm

Lindsey Vestal:
But like, yeah, so I'm still, I am still evolving as a business owner. I'm still struggling with that DIY, but then the moment you make that decision, I don't know if you felt this way, but like that relief that, that, that just sort of like, okay, now what can I focus on? I can focus on getting more guests like you, like, you know, it just opens up possibilities. And I think you kind of know intuitively once you make that decision, it was the right decision.

Weslina Maxey:
Yes. 

Lindsey Vestal:
Awesome. I'd love to, to kind of shift the conversation slightly now to your incredible focus of pelvic floor therapy. Would you mind sharing a little bit about your personal journey into pelvic floor therapy and what kind of inspired you to specialize in this field? 

Weslina Maxey:
Yeah. So as you both know, I was an occupational therapy assistant and then I bridged to be an OT and during that bridge program it was during the summer and we had a really big research project over anything that you wanted to go over. It had to have to do with mental health because it was our mental health class and I did occupational therapy and what we can do in the postpartum journey. And the more I dived into that, the more I researched and stuff, I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. Like why is this not talked about more and then found out more about pelvic floor therapy specifically. And then that's where it led me to finding you and finding your course. And it's, it happened really fast. So the project was due that July and then I signed up for your course in August. By the end of August I signed up for my LLC. So it was really fast and my husband was like, what just happened? But it was the best decision I ever made. And I knew I was in the right space as just like this passion rose up inside me because I've always been an advocate for occupational therapy and just really love occupational therapy in general. And I didn't know that passion could be even more until I found pelvic floor therapy. So yeah, that's kind of my journey and how I got into it. 

 Doug Vestal: 
I'd love to just comment on one thing, just as a little bit of an outside observer, which is that like to reiterate the point. So I think you took OT Pioneers and then right after taking OT Pioneers, not only did you immediately start seeing pelvic floor clients, but you opened up your own practice, right? Which are two huge things to do simultaneously. And so kudos to you because I think a lot of those, you know, it all comes back to mindset. I think like you actually already have the skills and the capabilities to do it and you can do a lot more, but it's that belief in yourself and belief in your skillset and the willingness to roll up your sleeves and make a little bit of mistakes. It's like, we hear this all the time. You're already ready. Like you're already ready. You're already enough to do it. You just have to believe in yourself. 

Weslina Maxey:
Yes. Yeah. And I will also add that I was still in master's program. When I opened up my business and went for it, I still had my two 12 week rotations to do and things like that. And that's kind of why my first year was slower than some people's probably because I had to see people out in the evening in the evenings after I got done with my rotations or on the weekends. So it was slower, but it worked and I was slowly growing, getting people to know me and stuff like that. Even with doing the 40 hour a week rotations we have to do. I totally remember that.

 Lindsey Vestal:
I just had like a deja vu moment because I remember you messaging me in the evenings, like after you would get off doing those things. And I, it just like, it just struck me now just how far you've come. I mean, this whole, this whole talk has been so inspiring, but I just had that visceral memory of talking to you during the rotations. And I'm like, man, and I know your kids are super young. And I felt so aligned to you because we were in a similar situation. Our kids were zero and two when I started the functional pelvis. And like, I don't regret it for a minute because it's just the trajectory it took and the journey that we were on. So anyway, I just had that deja vu moment that I had to share with you. Weslina, you work with a wide range of clients, right? You've already mentioned pregnancy and postpartum to even gender affirming care. How do you tailor your approach to serve these different communities? 

Weslina Maxey:
So that's a great question. And some of it is the same approach. Like everyone, everyone's coming in to be listened to being patient and listening to why they're there and what they are really needing. And then also like the representation of things like I have safe, you are safe here in my office. I have pride flags. I have, different things that just show like everyone is welcome. So I think that kind of just that approach in itself of like you are welcome here and anything that you say or want to mention that it is okay. And then I find that my approach is honestly just being patient and listening. Honestly. I don't find that I cater differently. I might like if someone comes in and they say they are transitioning or if they come in and they're not sure their identity, then I am really comfortable with using they pronouns of things like that, of just making sure that your wording is as open and wide. So everyone feels that they are able to say or identify however they would like.

 Lindsey Vestal: 
Yeah. It's, it's incredibly important aspect of it. And you're just such an open person. Anyone that's met you feels that and you're just someone that creates space for everyone to feel incredibly comfortable. And that's just, that's just, I'm sure you were like that before you even found occupational therapy. And so what a beautiful way to bring it into your sessions. What would you say is one of the biggest myths about pelvic health that you would like to debunk? 

Weslina Maxey:
That it's only for pregnancy and postpartum clients. That is huge. And I hear it almost weekly of someone saying, Oh, I just thought that was for when people had kids or I thought it was only for women. Or that cause I have a, cause I see males as well and I have a male anatomy model in my office. So when my female clients come in, they're like, Oh, why is that over there? And I'm like, well, let me educate you and let you know, like, and I've educated on the whole male anatomy pelvic floor on a female client that wasn't even coming in to learn anything about that. But they asked, and I was like, well, here you go.And then they actually reached out and was like, you know, my husband's having this problem or whatever it may be. And I was like, yeah, of course I can see him and things like that. So I find that educating about that, it's not just for pregnancy and postpartum.

 Lindsey Vestal: 
I love that. And I was wondering if you got some referrals from your, your female identifying clients to be like, Hey, my husband needs to come in. That's awesome.

Weslina Maxey:
Yes, I do. And I actually, one of my most referral sources is a CrossFit gym and they have all genders that come in there and I have a lot of people that come in. So, and I will say like, if some male clients aren't totally comfortable coming in to a pelvic floor clinic. So the coach that I'm really good relationship with, I actually see some of my male clients at her gym because some of them are coming in with back pain or hip pain. So we actually do the lifts at her gym. And it makes them just, you know, that much more comfortable.

 Lindsey Vestal: 
Oh yeah. That's the environment they're spending most of their time in. They're already super comfortable there. That makes a lot of sense. So that's amazing that you offer that service was Lena. My last question for you is, can you share a success story from a client that really stands out for you?

Weslina Maxey: 
I have so many, however, one sticks out really big and she came in and I was actually really worried that I wasn't going to be able to help her because she had seen multiple pelvic floor therapists before me. And she had really bad rectum pain for six years ever since she had her kid. And I was like, Oh, okay. All right. So this is going to be a complex case. That's all right. You know, I'll take it with stride. And so we evaluated stuff and we started with breathwork, of course, um, started with some assessment things. Um, and then we really went into nervous system because anytime her child would get upset or anytime there was more stressors and things in her life, it went straight to her rectum and there was increased pain there. I was like, okay, so let's reframe for one. We reframed how we talked about stressing and stressors. We actually reframed it where there there's challenges. So challenges come our way. We have these options and we find a solution. So that was a huge game changer for her of just reframing instead of saying, Oh, I had these stresses come in today, or, you know, I feel stressed. She said that she had challenges and that she had options and she was going to find a solution. And then that helped that those challenges not to go straight to her rectum. And then her just taking a moment of, Hey, you know what? Like, why is this bothering me so much? And do I really like have to let it enter my body and go straight to my rectum? Um, we, we did so many other things of like shaking it out after intercourse. Um, she actually danced after intercourse because she would have like this just throbbing pain in her rectum afterwards. And that was really helpful. And her husband was super supportive, which was super helpful as well. Um, and after 12 sessions, she discharged and she is doing great. Um, amazing. Like I got a, I actually checked in with her like a month ago and I was like, I just want to check in with you. And how are you doing? And everything. And she's like, Weslina in capital letters, I am doing amazing. And I rarely, cause one of her, um, things that she was working on is doing some rectal work with a dilator. And she's like, I rarely have to use it, but I do use it when I need to, like, it's a tool there. I always tell people that we're filling up a toolbox and you can pull out those tools when you need. And, um, and so, yeah, she, she's doing amazing. And that's probably one of the ones that hit my heart the most because I, when she first came in and we were talking and we did our evaluation, I was like, okay, all right, this is going to be complex and it's going to be hard, but we figured it out and I cannot be more proud of her. 

Lindsey Vestal: 
Well, yeah. And I can also just point out that like, I don't know how long it's been since you discharged her, but you're still reaching out. That's a quality that you have really cultivated, not only with your referring parties, but with your clients. And honestly, I'm sure Doug teaches this in the course because he taught me over a decade ago when I had my private practice in New York city, which is our clients are our best form of referrals. Right. And so like the word of mouth that you're going to spread that she's going to spread for you is just innumerable because also like who, whoever follows up with you after you've been discharged like that, usually it's out of sight, out of mind. And so the fact that you're taking 10 seconds to do that, I think is also a huge part of your success. It's that relationship building piece that you talked about at the start of our chat today. 

Weslina Maxey: 
Yeah. And I discharged her three months ago, so.

 Lindsey Vestal: 
Three months ago. Okay. Amazing. Well, you are just incredible. I'd love to know what's next for the Holistic Pelvis, any exciting projects, any goals, any big things coming up other than moving, of course. 

Weslina Maxey: 
Right.vYeah. One of my goals have actually been to have like, one of my main goals of business has to have 20 to 25 clients a week. And I actually have met that twice in the last month. So, and I think my happy place is about 20, so I'm 20 is good. And so I'm hoping to keep that moment. I'm going right. And then I actually have some exciting presentations coming up. I'll be presenting in April at TechSoma aging education, and there'll be like a hundred, 200 people there. And I'll be going over pelvic health and aging in general, and how we can support our pelvic health throughout daily life and things. And then in May, so I'm Chickasaw, and I'll be presenting at Chickasaw Dynamic Women's Conference. And my title is Breaking the Silence, Honoring Your Journey and Shaping the Future of Pelvic Health. And there'll be like 300 women there because it's a women's conference. So I'm super excited about that. And then I'll be presenting or hopefully presenting at OKOTA again for the third year in a row, because I've presented in the last two years there. And then my most exciting one, I'll be presenting at the Pelvic Health Summit in September over workshops with Kirsten Sperrier.

Lindsey Vestal: 
Yeah, you are. Weslina, you are an absolute rock star, not only within our OTs for Pelvic Health community, you're always there answering questions. You're just like the most supportive, incredible person, but also I'm so appreciative for this time together because I really do think there is something about taking a moratorium of your journey and realizing sort of all the things that you've accomplished that really helps us all see the special spark within you. The fact that like this list that you just gave us now of all these incredible presentations, large presentations is just amazing. So thank you for all that you do within our community. Thank you for just like being the source of energy and bright light that you are. It has been such a privilege getting to know you and supporting you. 

Weslina Maxey: 
Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure talking today, guys.

 Doug Vestal: 
Thank you, Weslina. 

Lindsey Vestal: 
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