So since we talked about the one of the camping trip revelations in our last and in our last episode. Yeah episode two, right?
Mm -hmm. I wanted to follow up with the story another another story from camping Because I think it really ties into a lot of the other things that you and I have been talking about offline so To make make it sort of make sense as an end as sort of like a little intro I just wanted to share this experience that I had this This is,
incidentally, the same camping story, the same camping trip where I fell over with the wheelbarrow. It's so fruitful. This trip was so fruitful for revelations.
Yes, lots of lots of good stuff. So, OK, it was you guys heard the story about me falling over with the wheelbarrow and that whole like revelation about me falling over with the wheelbarrow.
letting go versus hanging on and all that. So we finally get our stuff loaded into the canoe. We have life vests on since it's a paddle outside and we didn't do a good job weight distribution wise.
We didn't do a good job deciding who was going to be in the front of the canoe versus who was going to be in the back. We basically just jumped in this canoe. - Just piled in. - Yeah, we just piled in. And I had taken my shoes off on the beach because last time we paddled out,
my shoes got soaked and I was wearing like tennis shoes. So I was like, oh, I'm just gonna go barefoot. You know, I'm gonna really like immerse myself in the nature of this experience and promptly cut my foot on like an oyster shell.
- I don't think I knew that. (laughing) - So, yeah. - Oh my. we're like pushing the canoe into the water, I'm like, I'm bleeding. So we hop in and we have our paddles and everything.
And immediately we are just inundated with deer flies, which are like horse flies, but worse.
Right. And so they were everywhere. Like they were attacking me, me mainly, Caitlyn to show next step. but I was in the front of the canoe and so-- - They were like,
she's good enough, we don't gotta go back there. - Yeah, so my foot is bleeding everywhere and like, I mean, not terribly, but like, it's bloody. - Oh my god. - But also, there are deer flies buzzing all around my legs and face and arms too,
but mainly my feet and my legs. So I'm like stomping as I'm paddling. - Oh my gosh. to try to keep them. Yeah, like, and that's just making the blood pump. Yes.
Yes, exactly. So there's like, I'm like free bleeding in the bottom of this canoe and stomping my feet, which is making it worse. Yeah, I would have turned around and then on it, right? And then Caitlin in the back of the friend of mine,
Caitlin, in the back of the boat was like, wow, like you have so many flies on your back that like I can barely, if I didn't know that your life jacket was red, like I would.
barely be able to tell you've got to be kidding me I know it was so bad and so like at one point and I'm not even joking at one point I really considered just like rolling off into the water I was like I just I just can't be here anymore I just can't do it it's too much it's too hard and I just don't want to do it so I'm just gonna roll off into this water like that was my plan unfortunately I decided not
to do that with a cut on your foot. Yeah, because I have actually gotten into the lake before and I can't get out of it. I mean, unless I can like walk out, like, yeah, no. So it was good that I was able to hold it together.
But we we like finally got to oh, oh, and we couldn't steer and paddle and like get ourselves from point A to point B. We just kept making these circles in the lake.
I think because we were trying to like hug the shoreline and Neither of us are very like accomplished canoers or whatever. So we just kept Going in circles and I was and I'm being bitten alive like eaten Wow,
and I'm stomping my feet and everything and I'm bleeding everywhere So that was why I was like, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna fall off it and roll off into the water Like I can't I'm not gonna make it. Whoa. So yeah,
it was terrible. That sounds terrible. So we finally get there I am am So this is kind of embarrassing. I am so Thirsty and hot and overheated and like oh just gross we pull the canoe up onto the beach and I'm like I need water and I should have taken the giant like 40 pound container of water that we brought with us and found a cup of some sort and made myself,
you know, a cup of water, like a normal human after I paddled all the way. Yeah, so, but that is not what I did. I reached into the ice chest and grabbed the first thing that my hands closed around,
which was a 16 ounce organic, freshly squeezed, honey crisp apple juice. They probably had like seven apples in that juice, girl. - Sounds delicious. - And I power slammed it. I damned it.
- Oh yeah. - It was so good. It was the best apple juice I've ever had in my life. I was like, this is the nectar of the gods right now. - Absolutely. - Immediately, immediately bubble guts. - Oh no. - Like zero time between me taking the last sip of that apple juice and realizing that it was gonna come out of my butt.
- Pretty hard to deny the quality of the apple juice. there. - Yeah. - When it's so fast. - Yeah, and so I was like, "Oh my gosh, I am definitely gonna shit right now." We hadn't even been there 10 minutes.
- Oh my gosh. - And I'm pooping in a bucket. - Well, sometimes you gotta do that. - Poor Caitlyn's marching up and down the beach because the flies. - Oh no, she had to keep moving. - Yeah, she had to keep moving.
- You needed privacy. - Yeah, I needed privacy so I could shit in this bucket. - Literally, wow. - I tend to elude. - Oh my gosh. - And it's like, it was just straight apple juice. And the whole time I'm so aggravated with myself, 'cause I was like,
who does that? Who power slams an ice cold 16 ounce apple juice? - And that sounds amazing to me. - Oh, it was. - It was so good. - I mean,
it sounds like you're shaming people who do that, because honestly, I feel like that's me, girl. - Yeah, no, I'm not shaming them. - Good job, because I'm-- not shaming you. I am you. - I am you. - Wait this second, slam is 16 ounce.
- Yeah, and then just hold on a minute. - Don't be surprised when you have to like, shit your back out right after that, yeah. - Yeah, 'cause this doesn't even change form. It goes in as-- - Makes no stops.
- Makes no stops. - Make no stop. - Squeeze apple juice and it comes out as foamy. - Oh, gross. - It's not even completely warm apple juice. (laughing) - Wow. So anyway.
- You're welcome for the visuals. - That was terrible, terrible. And I'm like, and now it's like, I don't even want to be there. I'm annoyed. The campsite is a mess. It's, you know, pack out what you pack in,
but these people did not do that. So there was like, their trash was still there. There were ants. Like it was just not great. And I was annoyed and I called my husband and I was like,
I don't, I'm not, I was like, I have to stay here tonight. because there's no way I can get back in that canoe. - A week from. (laughing) - Shitting a bucket several times.
- Yeah, and I'm bleeding all the way here out of my foot. So I was like, I'm not leaving tonight. Like I'm here for the duration or whatever for the evening. I was like, but I'm probably coming home tomorrow because this is terrible.
And so he was like, okay. And then we went to sleep. And he was like, okay, I'm not leaving tonight. And he was like, okay, I'm not leaving tonight. And he was like, okay, I'm not leaving tonight. And he was like, okay, I'm not leaving tonight. And he was like, okay, I'm not leaving tonight. And he was like, okay, I'm not leaving tonight. - And I woke up the next morning and it was like 71 degrees outside.
It was beautiful and breezy. The sun was rising and the dragon, there were hundreds of dragonflies everywhere. - Oh, wow. - Eatin' them deer flies. - Holla. - Yes. - I was like, thank god. - Get after it,
please. - So I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. Like now I'm gonna stay. And I did and I stayed all day. day and um just had a very relaxing wonderful beautiful day on the lake and that evening I was sitting watching the sunset Caitlin had gone inside the tent and I was just having like a moment and I thought you know about how beautiful this was and how majestic and how lucky I am to be able to,
to be able to spend, spend this time in nature and, and see what I was seeing. And I, to myself, I was like, this is the reward. This is the reward for the hard time you had getting here.
You had to go through all of those trials and tribulations, and now this is what you're, you know, what you're, what you get from that. [BLANK _AUDIO] Like congratulations, now you have your reward.
And almost immediately a voice from somewhere deeper and with more wisdom, access to more wisdom, immediately was like,
that isn't how life works. You are not rewarded for your tribulation. That is not accurate information. Life is a series of experiences. experiences,
and your job is just to be present. All you have to do is show up. We're the ones who put labels good and bad and terrible and wonderful and, you know, all of these labels that we put on everything,
'cause everything is, there's this dichotomy, right? It's like black and white. And that's just us. Like, we don't have to subscribe to that. And whenever I realized that,
it was a huge shift for me. - Huge. - 'Cause I was like, oh my God, we're just down here having experiences and doing with those what we do, like extracting whatever wisdom we can,
not making it mean anything about who we are, not attaching meaning to different outcomes, like just letting life, life, letting life happen and being in that experience.
And it was so cool. because I had that sort of revelation and then the next morning Sunday morning we woke up to paddle back to our car or whatever and yeah like my car had been broken into while I was there and I immediately um when I realized it I immediately went to to my default,
which is to war, like I'm a redhead, I'm fiery, like that's just my, that's just how I've always operated. Like I'm like, okay, two war,
like I am about to beat a bitch down. Like I need to know, point me, point me toward, you know, whose fault this is because they don't, they don't mess with the wrong one.
The wrong one. They picked the wrong one. That was how I made it. started to, I started to spin up. I felt it, I felt myself start to redden. And it was like that revelation from the evening before came back to me and it was like you're in a life,
you're in this life having an experience. Life is a series of experiences. This is the one you were having right now. Immediate. Immediate access to peace. - Thank you.
- Oh my gosh. Immediate access, which this was the coolest part, immediate access to gratitude. Being able to notice like, oh, the groundskeeper guy is over here checking on us because he sees that we are discombobulated.
So he's coming over to see how we are. The person who, like he, he got, the park rangers over to us the park rangers got the maintenance people over to us who were like oh we're gonna vacuum out your car you know like everybody's sort of just like in concert snapped into action and I'm like and I wouldn't have had the ability to to access gratitude had I stayed in that oh I'm pissed right because this happened
yeah because this happened to me and I am a victim and I am isn't fair, and I'm mad, and I'm annoyed, and I'm sad, and I'm hurt, and I'm angry. Yeah, I get to feel all those things.
And I did, they all ran right through me, but I don't have to attach to them, and I don't have to make anything that happens be about me, or it doesn't have to say anything about anything.
It just is like, oh, this is an experience I'm having. having. - It's just, it's neutral. - Yeah, it's neutral. - And we could look at every experience as neutral and we assign meaning to it afterwards. That's all we're really ever doing is, we're meaning makers.
That's what humans are in my view, is we're here to make meaning out of the chaos and the beauty that is around us. - Yeah, and so one of the things too that,
so my point in telling that story is how... how when you are in a frame of mind where you can just stop and be and tune in to your inner guidance system,
the things that you will discover are just incredible, just incredible, but you're learning them in the order, I think, that you're ready to learn them.
So I needed to learn that lesson on that camping trip because I was ready to receive it. that information. Six months ago, I might not have been in that place. It might not have landed for me.
And so one of the things too that we're gonna talk about today is like, when these things, when these revelations come up for you or when you just start to notice things that you're coming across on,
you know what, your TikTok feed or Instagram or whatever, like certain terms, and terminology and vocabulary that maybe is new to you.
I feel like that's being introduced to you because you're ready to receive it. And then you start to look into it and do a little research about it 'cause you're like, oh, that's new information but it feels relevant. I want to dig deeper into that.
And at some point you encounter resistance, like, like a gate. - Yes. - Yeah, so this is your permission to just really walk around that gate,
smash it down, step over it. Anybody who's gatekeeping information is not anybody you wanna learn from anyway. - That's right. - So that's part of,
I guess, our-- - Mission? - Our mission. - Mission, vision, values. - Yes. - Girl. - Yes. - Of the Dominiers podcast. - We are, yeah. Like we don't have,
we don't, there are no gates here. - No. - Anything we know, we don't know. - We don't know. - Yeah, because like what's, what good is it to keep it? Like that's such old energy. Like I'm gonna learn about a lot of stuff,
but then I'm gonna like make sure that I keep other people from learning about it. That way I'm an expert and they have to come to me. You don't gotta go to nobody, through nobody. but yourself. That's right.
So all we're doing here is almost just reminding you that these things exist on some deeper level. It's just about resonating up some deeper knowledge that you've just forgotten because we get into these really tight mindsets.
Excuse me. It would be almost like I thought of this analogy today. It's like our minds are this gigantic mansion and we live in just a few rooms and aren't able,
we don't even know that other rooms exist. Even though it's our mansion, you know, it's there for us, it's ours. And when we seek external validation,
and we're going to talk about shame too. And I loved what you said about accessing that level or that realization of peace in yourself. And it's just trans - people.
I feel like another, here I'm tangenting out about three layers here, but I'm gonna try to come back. I just want to mention, we'll see. Oh my god, I'm just getting a visual, like one of those little space people that's like tethered to the spacecraft and like you hope that your tether doesn't and then you just be floating out there.
That's me. You're my tether. I'm a tether, you girl. Hope you got a grip. good grip. But being in a more enlightened state of mind does not necessarily look any different than anyone else's life.
Your circumstances materially might not, from anyone else's perspective, change. The only perspective that we care about or that we're cultivating any change in is our own.
And the change, the peace that you felt and the peace that you felt. when you were standing in the parking lot, that because you had had that experience the day before realizing that,
yeah, life is just a series of neutral experiences. We are trying to punch these mic stands down, y 'all. I guess I any different than to anyone else outside.
They wouldn't know that your other default was going to be like to rage. Right. Um, maybe they would have expected it just because of the culture and like whatever, you know, it's,
it wouldn't be an unheard of thing for someone to be upset for that to happen. But your experience of, of awakening or your change in perspective is a personal journey.
And. And it doesn't necessarily look different to other people, but it will absolutely drastically change how you navigate your life. It's really just about these tiny little things that no one else would notice unless you commented on it and said,
you know what, back there where this happened, usually I would have gone down this whole other path that would have meant I had created all of these bad circumstances for myself because I generated all of this anger,
sent it out into the world. Well, yes. you know, if you want to talk about it in terms of karma, and then you have to clean all of that up because so this is the other thing that I wanted to get into with you because when you first told me the story and you said that about how everything is neutral and like it's not about paying for good experiences,
my resistance to that was that I have kind of been working in my life and navigating in my life. in my life with the concept of karma in mind,
which does talk about equilibrium and balance. And, and I even think about that from the terms in terms of neurobiology, which we, we know the chemical,
our chemical makeup makes a difference y 'all. I mean, see, all of the depression meds that we're on, you know, and other chemicals like alcohol and, and other plant medicines. And what you're adding.
Yeah. What you're adding in changes the chemistry, right. - What you're adding in changes the chemistry. So shoot, I lost my train of thought on that one, but. - No, but like you were talking about how that shift,
how that shift in perception. - Yeah. - 'Cause you were talking about accessing peace. - Right, and how, yeah. - It fast tracks you to your peace, so you don't have to go on this big, you know, off -ramp to anger. anger. - Right.
- You can just-- - And then you have to clean all that up. - You have to clean it up. - That's the thing on the way back from that. You have to pick up all your shit. So the best thing is not to go there anyway. - Yeah. - And it's not about, that is the distinction that I've had trouble trying to verbalize.
It isn't about not feeling your feelings. Feel your feelings 100%. It's about though being able to do that in a way that you don't have to sit in them. You don't have to-- to stretch them out,
you don't have to get in there and like be visceral about it. You can just kind of like catalog through. Like, yeah, I'm angry, but I'm also just having an experience.
It's so hard to put into words. You know, like, I don't have to, I don't have to manifest, not manifest isn't the right word either. It's like, I don't have to actually demonstrate.
demonstrate my anger. - Yes. - I can feel it internally and just be like, yeah, that makes me angry. And then just go to the next thing. - That's it. That's what I was trying to,
thank you so much. That's absolutely right. And that's the internal process that changes. And it changes your external experience because you don't buy into it. - Right, because like you can feel angry later.
Like I did. I felt angry later. - You got to process it. - When I was at home, I was like, yeah. yeah, these motherfuckers. - Yeah. - You know, like we're yoga teachers, you need something, I'm gonna give it to you, like you can ask. - Right. - But anyway,
that's not even the thing, like the thing is that I was able to do that in my own space at my own time. - Yes. - So I never got knocked off my square.
Because in the moment when I needed access to peace and I needed access to my internet. guidance, I couldn't afford to be knocked off my square and have to spend the time it would have taken for me to find my way back to where I was in equilibrium and I was able to access my higher self.
- And even though all of those people might have still come around to help, you might not have seen it. - I wouldn't. - Through the eyes of that attitude. - Yes, and I know that I wouldn't have because I've been, you know,
I've been through a lot of things. I've been through a lot of things. I've been through a lot of things. So like I know what that looks like. And that's me on the phone stomping around while people are around me trying to help me. And I am too into my own feelings at the time and demonstrating those feelings and working through and viscerally experiencing those feelings.
And it's like, I don't have to give into that because that's what I'm trying to do. my my ability to to show up the way I want to show up. It changes my ability to show up in a way that aligns with my values.
Yeah, this is this work is so like threading a needle because it's it's about understanding your own emotions, how to process them, why you have to learn that it's why we even need to slow down our reaction times.
times. Because if we don't slow down our reaction times, we'll never recognize that we are going into default mode that where we don't have,
we're not consciously aware of our reactions. And that's what sends us down those those off ramps to creating a bunch of karma. But I want to tie it back because the thing that stuck with me is I realized I was using and this is such a good example because this happens to everybody,
we got to normalize this stuff, you guys. We're all using these concepts and tools and images just to navigate. It's not like one thing stays constant ever, you'll have to constantly be checking your own belief systems.
So you really checked me on this because you said that and it kind of caught me and I thought, I kind of do believe that you paid for the good experience. I'm like, why do I believe? that you have to pay for the good experience?
Oh, because I was raised in this cultish Christian freaking, you know, well, in America. - Yeah. - I don't need to say nothing else. - We've only ever lived here,
guys. - This is it. This is what did this. - Yeah. - That taught me that you do have to, like, you're bad and you have to pay for things.
- Yes. be good things. - That whole fucking like repentance thing. That repentance for forgiveness. Like you have to give me something in order to get something. - And that's why we have to understand psychology,
guys. We have to understand our brain chemistry. What impacts our brain chemistry? This is why meditation and mindfulness are important because not because, oh, you know, you need to be a yoga teacher or you need to like be a meditator.
Like, no. nobody gives a shit about that. - Nobody cares when you meditate, trust. - Don't nobody care, trust me. It's all about what it does for you, how it enables you to take control of your life because you're not being triggered by your external circumstances and sent into automatic responses that you are not conscious of.
And when you can become conscious of your automatic responses and start too slowly, extract yourself from defaulting into them every time, it takes nine million times to do it.
And then on the nine million and first time, you get a chance to like experience peace in the situation, you know what I mean? - Like 100%. - That's the journey. - And like I wouldn't even say, I wouldn't even say take control of your life because I feel like that has a lot of,
you know, masculine driving, striving energy. I would say to like to learn to... connect with your life. Oh, that's much better. Like, you,
you are involved in every aspect of what's happening because you're present in your life. Yeah. That's, that's what all of these different ideas and practices and concepts are about.
That's why we talk about so many things because like, what, what works for me is. isn't necessarily gonna work for you. And we've made everything so monetized and commercialized and like,
oh, this is the way, 'cause we want you to pay us X number of dollars to learn the way, and this is the best way, the only way, and everybody has got all these labels and just stupid stuff,
and then you're boxed in even further because we're all so homogenous. that there's like, it's like a networking group. Like if you're in your circle, you get this many people to represent this many things and then that's like,
you know, because we're all doing the same thing. - Yeah. - It's like, I was just telling somebody today, remember in that movie, ants, and they're all at the little ant bar after ant work and they're like,
oh, it's time to dance. And they play this like weird, weird music, and they all dance exactly the same. They're all doing the same steps at the exact same time.
And then you've got this one little aunt who's trying to break it down one time. - Freestyle it. - Yeah, and I was just like, "Oh, yeah, that is accurate. "That is accurate." We are all trying to be like unique and different,
but in lockstep with each other. - In exactly the same way as everyone else. - Yes, exactly. - Well, because it's safe. And I mean it. the thing I wanna talk about next in the last bit, last 20 minutes of our podcast here is shame and how we experience shame,
why we have shame as a mechanism in our lives and what it does to like our brain chemistry and our perspective. I mean, right now I'm learning through an integrative traumatic,
somatic trauma certificate about these concepts And I think that's one of the things that we can do to make sure that we have the right And I think that's one of the things exercises. I mentioned that on the first episode too. These are things like dancing to get,
you know, stuck energy out of your body or visualizations that you also move your body with. These are very easy things to incorporate into your life.
You don't have to have any equipment. You don't need to know anything special. It's just giving you permission to use what we would naturally do as human beings if we were to weren't trying to be so homogenized,
we would move when our body felt stuck. -100%. -We would, you know, we would be able to feel a discomfort and name it and then move through it, let it move through our body.
But if you can't name something, it becomes this big bad, you know, it becomes something that's in your shadow and our shadows are like I thought of this imagery before,
if you've never been, if you haven't traveled a lot, I mean, most people haven't traveled everywhere. So imagine a place that you've never been, but you know about it. And maybe it has a bad reputation and you know like a couple of facts about the place.
Let's take New Orleans, for example, if you've never been to New Orleans, you might know the things like Mardi Gras there. And there's a lot of crime. And like maybe those are the only two things things you know about it. But if you've never been to New Orleans,
you don't know all of the richness that is also in that experience, in that consciousness that is New Orleans, that has manifested that place. That's what your shadow is.
Your shadow is parts of you that you've been told by other people, by external entities, by religion, by society is bad.
So you can't feel it or express it because it's bad. So you don't. So you like close your eyes to it, you put blinders on it and it goes into your shadow,
it goes into your unconscious. And the way that shame works, there's two types of shame. And first of all, what I'm learning is that we're wired for shame. So it's not like something that we're ever going to get rid of,
it's a biologic response to stimulus and it's important. There's because there's two types. The healthy type is important because it allows you to identify the behavior to pause,
identify the behavior that might be dangerous to you or to others or whatever, or to look at your behavior as it pertains to your values. So if you've been eating a lot of junk food and you don't believe that you should be eating a lot of junk food and you...
You think that that build the belief that you shouldn't be eating a lot of junk food is one you want to keep because that you know That it makes you healthy Then you can look at your behavior and instead of shaming yourself. You can say that behavior isn't maybe so great What can I do?
What steps can I do concretely to like start to change that? the other type of shame is toxic shame or guilt and toxic shame is about Demonizing the person and not the behavior.
And this will be the most common type of shame you're aware of because this is the shame that is used in religions, in our, in patriarchy. And this is what facilitates us having a shadow at all,
is because we demonize normal experiences like having intrusive thoughts or desires, lust,
or, you know, what, it might be because we all have the human experience on it's the wide spectrum. And depending upon your belief system,
certain things are bad. And if you believe that they're bad and you can't feel them or express them and they show up one day, you know? It's not like-- - Like they do. - Like they happen to do sometimes.
I don't know if I'm the only person who's ever done anything. They didn't think they should have done No afterwards you go away girl. Why? Yeah, exactly. Did I do that? Yeah, what happened there? What did I you know?
Yeah, you do your own like yeah life in review. Yeah, what that was not a good choice I was not making good choices on that day, but then but then The choice there is to either self shame in a healthy way or a toxic way Right we can both we can shame ourselves,
that's where we mostly do it. And then when we can't identify our own shame because it's so in our shadow, we project it out onto other people and we say those people are bad because X, Y, or Z.
- Yeah, and I get the whole, well I'm trying to conceptualize the two different shames because I have just always been of the opinion that like,
like shame, blame, guilt, all of that super lame, like not a fan at all. And so it's, it's sort of bending my mind a little bit to figure out like how this,
you know, like how, how this information stacks up against other like shame research like Bernay Brown and, you know, like. all of that body of work and to sort of like I Don't know.
Just are there two two types and is one potentially helpful in shadow work and if so How does that look? You know what I mean?
It's just it's fascinating to just consider but that's why this is these conversations are so interesting because Wait like I said before we're threading the needle. We're We're in everything There is paradox and everything there is paradox.
So That is just let's start out with that blanket statement. Mm -hmm. You have in order to Grow your mind and to have a more flexible mind It's necessary for you to be able to hold Paradoxical thoughts at the same time and examine them from you know different perspectives.
That's what now attached and not attached to one or the other. Yes. That's the whole point. Yeah. So this is these are important questions. And I think, too, it comes down to language and how we use language and our just to create our worlds,
actually. And the word shame has a lot of negative connotations because in my view, at least from what I'm learning, it's the connotation directly is directly tied to the toxic version,
which is all about blaming the person. and not addressing the behavior The feeling of shame is it just a biochemical reaction, right? Yeah, it's like a shock It's like that feeling that you described whenever you saw not that you had shame when you had your window knocked out But but that feeling that yes,
yes Adrenaline Ross. Yes. I know what you're saying. Yes, and you I loved how you said you let it just run through you Mm -hmm, and that is that is a technique. That's something that you can learn to do.
Everybody can learn to do that. And that's really it's it's about understanding. If you think about a sifter, so or like. What is the strainer?
Colander, Colander. Yes, I can never remember that word. It's like your mind is a colander. And if you're you're those that adrenaline is like a chemical bath being poured out. over the colander and whatever sticks is where you've got a clog.
And that clog is an ego story. That clog is a narrative that says you deserve this. Yes. And then you have a shame reaction to it. I deserve this. So I'm going to get angry and I'm going to have like an opposite external demonstration of my anger,
right? Like this shouldn't be happening to me. And it's just pushed out. Yeah. Right? It's the experience pushed out. Yeah. So what you do in this work is we just like start to clear those clogs we just go okay well I had that reaction sure no problem again it all starts with not shaming yourself in a toxic way right it's about being able to reparent yourself in your mind's eye where you can take that part of you
that made that rash decision or had that default mode response and sit with it in your mind and just give it to me it love and say okay well I understand that happened it already happened yes it's not like we can talk it away from having happened right right what we can do in the future is re -parent ourselves with love with compassion so that the next time we get that adrenaline bath the bath through our colander
yeah that part of the colander is cleared up and now we're free to go right back to peace because all those chemicals run through our bath body. Yeah. Um, More quickly.
Yeah, I wanted to circle back to to something you said about, uh, you know, like dancing and yeah Like the somatic release practice and it made me think of something. I just looked it up.
So I could read it It says pretty awful how baseline human activities like singing dancing and making art got turned into skills instead of being seen in a behaviors.
So now it's like, the point of doing them is to get good at them and not, this is a thing humans do the way birds sing and bees make hives. And someone responded,
I know I've posted this before but it bears repeating, this is a thing humans do. You don't have to be good at it to enjoy it. - Yes, my art is so bad.
(laughing) (laughs) - And I don't care. - Yes, 'cause it's not, that's the thing, it's an expression of you in this human experience,
and it's not for anyone but you. - Yes, and I see, 'cause I have really enjoyed the experience of trying to make art without judging it and watching that part of my mind,
wanna ask questions like, "Well, what are you gonna do with this?" - Attached? to it. - Attach to it. Or like, "Well, is it good enough for you to sell it?" Like, "Oh, should I share this with anyone?" - Who cares? - You know, yeah. - Or,
"What even am I gonna do with this? Why would I make this? It's just gonna go in a drawer, or I'm gonna throw it away, and then what's the use of that?" - Right. - The use of that is that you've expressed something. - Right. - And when you express something,
it moves through you. - I mean, think-- - And it's gone. - Yes, because like, think of us doing that, and we're doing that. just as if we're birds building a nest. Like,
that's just what birds do. - That's how-- - That's how they create, that's how they bring forth life, that's how they operate. They just get in here and start building nests,
and it's not like, how much do you think my nest is worth? Did you say Bob's three story nest over there? - Of course. - Well, I mean sometimes when it's about sex,
it does matter. - Okay, yeah, there's that. - Have you all seen, there's this really cute documentary. I think it's several episodes on Netflix. I think it's still on there called Dancing with the Birds.
And this is funny too, 'cause I told my sister about it. And I was like, "Hey, have you watched Dancing with the Birds?" And she's like, "Is that like Dancing with the Stars?" But like, first I was like, "Oh my God, no, but it should be." - That's hilarious. It should be like Mask Singer,
but Dancing with the Stars. - That's hilarious. So they're all in bird costumes. And you don't know which celebrity it is. And you just have to judge them based upon their dancing skills in the bird costumes. That's Dancing With The Birds. Actually,
that's not Dancing With The Birds after all. It's this documentary about how these different species of birds attract a mate. And so it's all the men, all the males out of males out there doing a work,
putting on a show, show me something. Show me something. mister. - Trying to get chose. - Be like, pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me. It's awesome and they really do,
you know. - But to see that's the, they're not questioning it and they're not like bringing it to their friends and being like, do you think this is okay? - I know. - It's just what is coming out of them. - Yes, they're just living their lives.
They're just living. - So we get to do that too. - They're not, yes. - We get to have permission to do that too. - We get to have permission to do that too. - That's an option. - And we don't even. usually consider it 'cause we're just too busy trying to dance like ants. - That's right.
I mean, color, not the adult coloring books, y 'all. - No, gosh. - Not the adult coloring books. Why did we think we were gonna give our inner child something to do that was fun and then give it fricking work?
- I want a rage color. - Really? That's what I do. - That's what I, yes. - I'm just like, getting it all out. - I like, I like. pre -K to that bitch. - Yes. - You know what I'm saying? I just get in there with this.
- Yes. - And so, okay, so after, it might not be the most beautiful thing, but it's beautiful because you gave yourself permission to create it. And in your journey to learn how to shame yourself in a positive and healthy way.
- Not positive, there's no, I mean, I think, like you were saying, I think it's about, it's about the definition. that we have in our mind shame. Yeah, it's about attaching. It's about to a certain to it being a certain thing and being flexible to it changing or adjusting how you think about it.
So and that's a lot of what this work is, is saying, Oh, wait, I had a preconceived notion about what that concept meant. Like with your shadow, you know, I thought I thought I knew what New Orleans was,
but then whenever I went there, I went to the van. Gogh Immersive Museum, then I went to the Studio B and saw amazing stuff, I went to Jam Nola, and that was a totally different New Orleans than I had ever heard of.
Well, that's what your shadow is like, too. So all those lustful things. I know y 'all nasty. Listen, look at me in the eyes.
I know y 'all nasty. And there ain't nothing wrong with it. We're human beings, we're part of nature, we're going to have... impulses. And the point of saying it like that and making light of it and normalizing it is to let you guys know you're not alone.
We're not alone in this journey. We're all in these bodies, they're weird as fuck. And they be breaking down at the wrong time. And they need all kinds of things we don't understand.
And sometimes there's stuff we don't really wanna tell nobody about 'cause it's a little embarrassing, you know? That's okay, that's normal. And when you have exp... like maybe you would term them intrusive thoughts, like lustful,
you know, things that you had previously been taught were wrong to think or to explore in your mind even. - Right, right. - Because, and y 'all tell me if this is true for you,
but I was never allowed to have a private thought. I was only ever allowed to express every single thought that ever came across my head. (laughing) And I know that's gonna shock y 'all since I do this so well.
You're laughing a little too much. A little too much at that. - It's so funny 'cause I'm just like, I'm thinking back and I'm like, yes, like all the time. - Never stopped processing out loud.
- It is so true. - But here's why, because I was, it sounds funny. It sounds like, oh, she's so talkative. Oh, you know, she just can't shut up about her mental process. No, guys, I was abused.
- You're such a-- This isn't this is emotional abuse when you're not allowed to have any private experiences without having to disclose them to your caregiver or to your partner.
Yes, you are an autonomous and sovereign being. You get to have crazy ass thoughts that you don't have to tell. You don't have to tell nobody. And that's just a part of being in a body.
You're going to have chemical reactions that are going to trigger thoughts. You got. a whole ass microbiome going on, there's a whole lot of shit going on y 'all don't know about and you're not controlling none of it. So just the only thing you can do for yourself is to allow it to accept it and the pathway to that is to understand things like shame,
have a healthy approach and application and they have a toxic application and if you start to zero in on which one you're applying to yourself. Yeah. yeah, then you can start to change it and start to be more compassionate to yourself.
And once you can be compassionate to yourself, you'll be able to look at the things in the shadow because you'll say, you know what, I bet I'm not that different than everyone else who wants to just like get down and dirty and do nasty with everybody.
I see. I that's not me, though. That's not me. I'm just saying, for example, if you had that thought, that definitely is not me. But yeah, um, yeah. but you know, if it was, I would be fine with that.
You have to know, hey, look, I'm I'm I bet I'm not the only one. And you might not want to explore it. I mean, you might not want to go to like a sex club in New Orleans. I've heard they have them.
I don't know where it is. But, you know, there's there's ways you can explore those things in a variety of ways, hopefully safely. But you also don't have to. to explore them.
You just need to allow the fact that they're there, accept yourself as a whole complicated being and know that you're not having a different experience than anyone else. Everyone else is also having these experiences and we're just pretending because we don't talk about these things.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's really just vulnerability. It's vulnerability and authenticity. It's telling the truth and being yourself. I know and it's and we're just entering into this energy where I think we can access that right That's what we we need to know is that it's safe to come out and be yourself Use your discernment about who you are yourself around Because there are definitely gonna be people and we're gonna talk
about this in a couple of episodes Who are benefiting off of your inauthenticity right now because they've got got a hook energetically into you and they're just siphoning off that shit.
And we about to cut that off. - Yes, yes girl. - So, yeah, I think maybe now we're gonna close, but come tune in for the next episode because we're gonna talk about the rabbit hole we get into when we start deconstructing.
- Yes. - See y 'all then. Bye.