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In this episode, the panel opens up about the fears that shape their decisions, relationships, and outlook on life. From fear of failure and rejection to the uncertainty of the future, each host shares personal experiences and the internal battles most people don’t talk about. The conversation dives into how fear can either limit growth or become a catalyst for change, and what it takes to confront it head-on. Honest, unfiltered, and relatable, this episode challenges listeners to reflect on their own fears and how they choose to face them.

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SPEAKER_03

Welcome everybody back to the Mag Dump Podcast. John, you're looking beautiful as ever today.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you very much. I feel beautiful today, penis.

SPEAKER_03

You look so good. God, I love it. I'm one of your hosts, Richard Martin. I have the beautiful, beautiful Kevin McLaughlin with me. We have the always forever missing John Rowe. And we have our non-camera participant, Zach McLean.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you guys aren't ready for that yet.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. It's a lot of sexy down there, and I just want to see it so bad. I'm just developing the disappointment. Just developing into a man. And that maybe that's what it is. He's in that weird growth cycle between 27 and 28. He just can't figure it out, you know. We'll figure it out. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

John, how's this week been for you?

SPEAKER_00

This week's been really good. Very progressive. I went out.

SPEAKER_03

Wow. Oh, it's a big accomplishment.

SPEAKER_00

Not not just outside, but I went somewhere. I've gone outside. That that's no big deal. But leaving to public places. This is the first time in six months that I've done it. And I went out for a good eight hours. It wasn't just like I'm gonna go to the gas station, pump some gas, and come home. No, I went to a theme park. And let me tell you, it was a lot to take in. Very very uh emotional, very stressful, scared. A lot. But I went through it and I pat myself on the back. Yeah, naked and afraid, literally was on my own for the most part in my head and battling, and I won. I came home. Winner, winner.

SPEAKER_05

Where winner park did you go to?

SPEAKER_00

I went to the uh Knott's Berry Farm.

SPEAKER_05

Oh man, that's one I've heard about for so many years, but I just don't want to go out to that side of the United States for for amazing park.

SPEAKER_00

The other Cedar Fair parks that are around the I'm assuming there's one by you, a Cedar Fair.

SPEAKER_05

Maybe I I I used to have uh Cedar Point when I lived up in Michigan. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was Michigan Adventures that actually turned into Michigan Adventures a Cedar Fair company. Yeah. Back in the much better than down here.

SPEAKER_00

Don't waste your money.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_00

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_05

All right. Cool. Kevin. How have you been? I'm good. Uh just got back from a hockey game. Um, my Jacksonville Iceman over here just clinched the first round of the playoffs, and I'm ecstatic. I had on my very, very expensive jersey and my wife's also very, very expensive jersey. And that's you know, if they didn't win, I don't know what I was gonna do with those jerseys. So here we are. We're watching them. Uh P um I mean, I'd probably sell them for some money, hopefully. That would be the point. Uh, but maybe I'll take a piss on them. Okay. Piss on them for expensive.

SPEAKER_01

Whatever. Good thing you don't have to, you know, with uh sweep under your belt, though. Round one. Sweep.

SPEAKER_05

Go iceman.

SPEAKER_03

Did anybody bring any brooms?

SPEAKER_05

Dude, they were throwing brooms on the ice at the end of the game. There was so many brooms. They were doing the na na na chance. Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Atlanta Gladiators, I have to say, you guys played uh a hell of a time during what you did, and uh you guys were a good team. We just busted you this round. Go find out.

SPEAKER_03

Zach, how's your day been? Week life.

SPEAKER_01

Week's been crazy. Um you know, last week we had a pretty slow week. Uh this week has started to pick up. Uh today we started with like 14 pallets of freight in my receiving room department. Um got through all that, you know, about 10-ish. And then uh we just got slammed. You know, six trucks back to back, so it's just a lot of forklift time for me today, you know. Getting that forklift certified in.

SPEAKER_05

I've heard something about you though that you enjoy getting slammed back to back. Is that true? Oh yeah. Is that true?

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Kind of my dig.

SPEAKER_03

Objection here saying.

SPEAKER_04

Dig? It's kind of a dig with a G. Okay, I got it. G.

SPEAKER_03

Still not sure what he said. Okay. G for golf. Uh my day was going great up until I just saw the second pick of the first round of the NFL draft for this year for my Packers. We did not draft a wide receiver, so uh, you can imagine that um me as a Packers fan is very pissed off.

SPEAKER_05

You want to know why you didn't draft a wide receiver? Because the Lions picked him up.

SPEAKER_04

Because the Lions sneak in with a second, a 12th, and a 30-second pick. Yeah. Oh, what a move. What a move.

SPEAKER_03

Uh, the Packers have always been uh stupid with their draft choices. Um, you know, you just signed Rogers, which he's a he's a crybaby, nevertheless. But if you're in that win now attitude, we need a wide receiver because we lost Devontae Adams.

SPEAKER_05

But you lost like the best receiver in the league, and they're like, Well, I guess we're not gonna replace him.

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No.

SPEAKER_03

Real question that I have for everyone here, okay. I there I'm in the true crime. I was listening to a podcast at work today. Has anyone ever heard of the Children of Thunder? They were like late 90s, early 2000s. They murdered like five people. Uh it was like a cult type following.

SPEAKER_00

No, children of thunder.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, children of thunder. So get this, you know. I'll I'll kind of paraphrase the podcast. Um, you know, last podcast on left, I don't care if we're plugging, that's a great true crime for everyone who's looking for true crime. Um no, basically, it was these two brothers, they were Mormons, and they got this third person who was just a fucking dingus to like join their cult. And they because one of the brothers was a stockbroker originally, so it was kind of like Woof of Wall Street type shit. But he goes back on his old portfolios from his Wall Street days, and then he goes and stupidly holds these people up at knife point, gun point, and was like, No, you're gonna sign and launder, launder all your money to me. Then he puts it in his girlfriend's account, shit goes bad. He kills his girlfriend, he also kills the girlfriend's parents, then he kills these two old people and then yeah, and that that was the thing, like his whole psychological fucking thinking was because they are old and I'm getting the word of God to me, it's fine, they've lived a long life already, and that was his whole fucking thing. Like, but it was so fucking crazy. It was three episodes, it was like three hours of my time today, which is cool because I was in the office doing a lot of paperwork, but yeah, just fucking utterly wild that I'm learning more and more as these episodes go on about how fucked up the world can be sometimes.

SPEAKER_05

I'll wait for the Netflix documentary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I'm I'm sure. We're talking about Glenn Helzer, right? Yes. Uh, who's trying to throw the LDS church over?

SPEAKER_03

Yes, uh Taylor and Glenn and Justin.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Cult leader Crankspready. I'm seeing it all over uh Wikipedia here, yeah. When was this? Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Can we it was in late night in 98 to like 2001? That's when their whole shit was going on.

SPEAKER_01

Apprehended in August of 2000.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Wow. To be fair, I feel as if we haven't had a lot of these lately, and we're due for a good one.

SPEAKER_02

A good like a Marilyn Manson, Ted Bundy type fucking killer. Charles Manson, but close. Close. I was trying to go away from the Colt area.

SPEAKER_05

Distant cousins, whatever. I think we're due for a good one. A good another Waco.

SPEAKER_03

Uh, you know, Waco. For those of you who don't know about Waco, is this still on Netflix? Yes, it is. There was a good movie that uh they did behind Waco on Netflix, if you haven't seen that. Kevin. Yes, what's uh what do you got on your whiteboard? See, for those of you who don't watch the video portion of the podcast, Kevin has a whiteboard back here, and there's always something different written on his whiteboard. What do you have there today, Kevin?

SPEAKER_05

Oh uh Rich, that says that shit's scary.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, it actually goes into our topic today of fears.

SPEAKER_05

It does.

SPEAKER_06

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03

It's almost as if Kevin literally does this shit for the episodes. No, no, not no. I think he's not a spider, had a right speculation. Hearsay. It's all fucking hearsay for those of you uh following the Johnny Depp trial. Hearsay, hearsay, hearsay.

SPEAKER_00

That shit's such a joke, dude. I seen a TikTok today. That's not a thought.

SPEAKER_03

I seen a TikTok today. It was fucking I died laughing. The lawyers for Amber Turd walked out, and there's these three motherfuckers dressed up in pirate gear going fucking justice for Johnny.

SPEAKER_02

Oh fucking talking like they were like they were talking like they're from school. It was fucking hilarious, though, dude.

SPEAKER_03

I was like, no, you didn't, but yeah, fears.

SPEAKER_05

For John, I have a mega pint here.

SPEAKER_03

Mega pint because John is a real life pirate, in case you guys didn't know. I am. I don't know. He's dressed like a weeb tonight, but you know, yeah, that's for the weeb listeners, he said.

SPEAKER_05

Show him the earrings on represent. Yeah, look at those things. Those things are sweet. I don't know what they are, but I like them.

SPEAKER_00

This is from Demon Slayer.

SPEAKER_01

They are quite literally called Hanafuda earrings.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01

Well, Zach, how are you getting this information?

SPEAKER_05

He's a resident.

SPEAKER_01

I know it.

SPEAKER_05

I am also a weeb.

SPEAKER_01

I know.

SPEAKER_05

Wow. The more you know. As the oldest guy in this group, can I be honest with you? I don't know what the definition of a weeb is. This is when you own sandals. That's some weeb shit. Oh, like an anime, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's that's the whole thing of a weeb, like you're an anime geek.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, it's what the Gen Zers put it as well. You're right, Zach. You are a weeb. You're right. Like, I have a Snoopy. Does that do anything for me? I have a space Snoopy. I don't know. Guess not.

SPEAKER_03

But fears. And we're not talking about the simple, I'm afraid of spiders bullshit. We're actually gonna get into some actual fears that we have. I mean, if we're talking about the small shit, I am afraid of spiders. I mean, I'll kill them, but I fucking hate spiders. That's just bitch.

SPEAKER_01

Bitch. Venomous snakes that do it for me.

SPEAKER_03

Snakes?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, venomous snakes, man. I've had so many run-ins with rattlesnakes, I hate it.

SPEAKER_05

My dad hated snakes. In Iowa? You have that many rattlesnakes in Iowa? No, I've got a lot of people. Well, he was stationed in 29 stumps.

SPEAKER_03

He was stationed at stumps, so a lot of rattlesnakes out there.

SPEAKER_05

You know, I've never seen a wild snake in my life when I was in Michigan. Like the biggest snake we have is called like a blue racer, I think it is. It's a big snake, never seen one. I moved down to Georgia and these little fuckers are just right by my feet. Dude, up my siding, inside my siding. I don't even like I'm scared to take a shit sometimes because I'm like, maybe there's a snake in my toilet. Like, that's the train. And then I'm like, oh, that's just a turd. Never mind. We're good. We're good.

SPEAKER_00

No big deal. Get the little ball touch from the water. He's gonna give you a little boop.

SPEAKER_03

John, would you like to kick us off? Or do you want someone else to kick off? Like what do you want the fear to you?

SPEAKER_00

The real raw fear.

SPEAKER_03

The real raw me. Yeah, no condom.

SPEAKER_00

No condom, no lube. Penis. Straight in penis. Cock and balls. Yeah, I'll start it off. Um goose. We're talking about legitimate fears here, right? Like you said, no spiders, no, no fear heights bullshit, right? Like, yeah, we're all scared of heights. Fuck you, first of all.

SPEAKER_05

I'm scared of lights.

SPEAKER_00

But that's that's first of all, fuck you. That's something that's common, right? That's like first people's thoughts when it comes to fears. Is there common fears? Yeah, like everybody's relatable to it, right? What I consider fear is what I was recently diagnosed with. Oh, so as I mentioned before, I don't get out of the house much, right? Like six months went by, nothing. I was recently diagnosed as having a goraphobia, if you will. Now, the definition of goraphobia, if I'm saying it correctly, is not blood. It's not you know what what anybody would think. I have a legitimate fear of the outside. Anybody seen the bench warmers? I'm sure a bunch of people have. Oh, yeah. That's in the closet. That's me. That's me without knowing it. Obviously, not to the extent because I still get some sun. I'm not I don't go outside, you know, and run away in fear. But it's in my sense, it's the ability to be out in public and to steer away from a house. I know I'm safe in my domain. When I get out of my domain and I go do things, that is my fear. Now, whether I've known it my whole life or it's just something that's happened recently, that is now me. I am scared of being in a public place.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Are you scared knowing that you know this now? Or does that help you?

SPEAKER_00

No, it's definitely changed me. I yeah, I am more scared as to why all of a sudden it happened. Because when I was younger, always out in public doing things like a normal kid does, and now in the last year, I I have a complete different change of life that I'm having a hard time adapting to, and that's scary. That that is some real shit. I mean, you go from living life in your entire life the way you have been, and then all of a sudden it changes on a flip of a dime. And you have to hear it from somebody else. Somebody from the outside has to tell you why it's like that. That's that's terrifying. I mean when I found out my jaw dropped. Obviously, not literally because I was on a you know, FaceTime, but my inside like dropped. I was like, what the fuck do you mean? Like, I have a legitimate fear. Well, like, what do you no? I'm I'm John, I know what I like, what I don't like. I'm fine. And you know, when I sat down after the call and I just sat there and thought for a good hour, even it it it man, it's it's emotional because I want my life to be back to normal. Well, my normal, quote unquote. I hate the word normal, nobody's normal, nobody's life's normal, but I want it back. I I really do. Everything changed around me when I found out my fear is literally going the one thing humans know to do is to go outside social, get a job, do do normal life things I have a hard time doing. And I'm only just uh now adapting to it. Sure. You know, it's a good six months have gone by, I've got nothing. No job, no, no, no, no uh input in society. My four walls in my room is my life right now, and that's scary to me.

SPEAKER_03

Your input to society you know, with this podcast. Uh like we were talking about the first episode, you know, there's gonna be listeners out there who can relate to what you're going through, and you know, that can be your even if you're not going outside, even if you know you're quote unquote not being a full-fledged member of society, because uh, you know, that's we're gonna put an asterisk on that for these times that we live in. But um definitely like you someone can relate to you, and without you knowing, you can help a lot of people with opening up about because I like you said in episode one, um, Zach wasn't here for that. Um, but you there there was a lot, there was a leap that you took to share a lot of that information that you shared, even going into uh this episode too. Um, you know, it's just you can help people without even knowing, just throwing your story out there, kind of, hey, this is what I deal with and this is what I'm doing to overcome it. And it's kind of like you can go back on these episodes, right? And you can watch yourself slowly progress, and you can look back on that years later, and we're gonna be doing like the 600 episode, and you're gonna be like, holy shit, it's crazy that you know, episode one through, you know, however, I was dealing with that, and now look at me now. And you can help out a lot of people definitely telling your story.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_05

Well, it's one of those things, it's like, you know, the our demographic or who we're trying to reach, you know, are people like us, right? You know, just kind of some rough people that like to sit around, play video games and bullshit. There's a lot of people in this demographic who are like you, John. You're like them. Like, this is their safe space, right? I mean, even though it's not what you want it to be, it's what you're in right now. So, I mean, you know, yeah. Uh you're not there's a lot of people out there when they start listening to this, they're gonna be like, oh yeah, I resonate with that shit wholeheartedly. 100%. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03

When we open the PO box, you're definitely gonna have fans. I'm gonna get postcards. Yeah, especially wearing shirts like this is what my place looks like. Like, I think you and Kevin are definitely the best dressed for the podcast. And for those of you who do not follow the YouTube, you can look us up, the Magdump Podcast on YouTube. This is where you will see all of the video footage um for those of you listening on Spotify, Apple Music, whatever your respective platform is. But we have other methods of watching if you're a visual, if you're a watcher or your listener.

SPEAKER_05

Giver or receiver. Giver or receiver. I'm definitely more the voyeuristic type. I love watching.

SPEAKER_04

What? Oh no, King Chin.

SPEAKER_03

You got any of them big fears up in that big burly beard of yours with that oakley hat?

SPEAKER_01

You know, I actually do. I have two. Um one, my first one that I'm gonna share with you guys, actually stems a little bit from my trauma. Um so back in 2015, I was working as a police officer. Uh this actually happened in July during our big base beach spash event that we have where we invite, you know, all these military members and outside people to come down to the beach, you know, have a good time. Uh just kind of party and, you know, celebrate the summer. Um in doing so, you know, um some people were having a little bit too much fun and uh ruining the fun of others, and you know, as a peace officer you kind of have to step in and alleviate some of that, even you know, when some people don't want you to. Um this resulted in me and my partner both getting attacked in a crowd of probably 150,000 people. Um which, you know, is terrifying, you know, when you look around and there's all kinds of people, you don't know whose friend, whose foe. Um you know, so um my partner and I were working on getting a guy into handcuffs, and I actually got hit over the back of the head with a beer bottle, um, which stunned me.

SPEAKER_04

Like in the movies?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, like did it break or did it not break? That's the issue. Um I do not know.

SPEAKER_01

I actually um I was so fucked up, I have no idea. Um so I was actually in and out of consciousness throughout the fight. Um uh I got spun around on the guy that hit me with a beer bottle. I got a couple of hits in and I got sidelined by a different person. Um he cracked my orbital on the top side in my eyebrow area. Um, and I went down like a sack of potatoes, uh, face down into the sand. Um and then they just kicked the shit out of me. Um so cracked a rib from that and bruised up my back and my thighs and everything. Um, but the fear that stems from this is actually a fear of crowds and it affects me to this day. Um I'll go to sporting events, bars, things like that, anywhere where I feel like my personal space is a little bit crowded and I have a lot of nervous ticks that develop from that. Um when I'm seated it typically forms in a little bit of restless leg syndrome uh where I do a lot of bouncing in my legs. Um that's been pointed out to me. I also have a hard time keeping focus and not checking over my shoulders for you know whatever may be going on. But yeah, that's kind of what I've been dealing with, you know? Yeah. It affects a lot of everyday life. Uh I'm sure similar to what John deals with. Um, you know, you just it's hard feeling safe in those situations.

SPEAKER_05

Definitely. I resonate with that shit wholeheartedly. So it's like the older I get now, I I can't be in crowds like I used to. I don't know what it is. I was a partier, I was, you know, let's go do this, let's go do that. I don't care how many it is now. Like I start going, even if I go into say a uh a store that might be a lot of people in it, like I'll start sweating. And oh yeah, inside my heart starts palpitating. I'm fine, but I'm not fine at the same time. And it it's so situational that I can't I can't pinpoint it whatsoever. Um, and I don't know why. It started probably when I first hit 29, 30 years old, and it's only getting progressively worse since.

SPEAKER_01

I think a lot of it too just is based off of how you we view society, you know, these days and how dangerous things do get sometimes, and seeing all these, you know, things on social media too just doesn't help.

SPEAKER_05

That's fair.

SPEAKER_00

Definitely uh nowadays I judge people like a closed book, right? Not not race or color, but uh your impression of your clothes or uh the the demeanor on your face when you're walking around, right? Like I see eyebrows raised down. That could just be you walking around, but to me, I'm like, oh god, this guy's looking for fight me or or you know, woman or whatever, right? That's my perspective on life now. Like when I go to the store, I I've been there a couple times since the theme park trip. So I'm slowly advancing, you know, my progression. But I I very I'm very judgmental, and I don't mean to be. Uh it's not towards anybody specific, it's not because I hate you or I hate people in general. Yeah, yeah, definitely. But but like uh like Zach said, and uh you read too much shit, you see too much shit, um, and it's just it's just a part of me now when I go out.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely. It's hard to like switch that off, you know, where you're just constantly assessing people and what potential threats they may be.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, sure. Oh, I resonate with that shit. Analyzing societal now. That's the thing. See, that's the thing. Um, you know, for those of you who don't know, I mean everybody here recording knows. Um, for you listeners out there, I I'm a concealed carry holder. I do own a CCW here in the state of Colorado. Um yeah, that's just one thing. I I go out in public every day. I don't go out as much. Um I used to be an extrovert. Is that is is that the correct terminology for that? Like, you know, going out and you know, doing all the things, you know, I've slowly developed over the years to an introvert. Like, unless I'm I'm really what's the what's the words I'm looking for? Really fucking with you, you know, like okay, we're we're vibing, you know. If you're my friend, I'm gonna go hang out with you. But if I don't fucking know you, like I'm just like, oh well, look at the time. Um, yeah, it's time to go. Uh see you later. I'm very uncomfortable being put in situations where like if I don't know you, if I don't feel comfortable there, I'm looking for the nearest fucking exit, like, or way out so I can get the fuck back to my safe place. And that's one crazy thing of assessing situations, being in crowds and stuff like that. Um, you know, just recently, um, you know, some of us were in here when this happened, um, but my cousins recently got jumped. And, you know, we had to hear this whole fucking debacle of a story, you know, rather than just get into start, middle, finish. No, we had to go fucking around the entire globe to figure out what the fuck happened. But I was talking to my uncle about it, and you know, I had a talk with my cousins. I'm like, you I know you because you're my family, but at the same time, you don't know people nowadays, you don't know what they're capable of. One, two, you know, whether or not they started the confrontation or not, I know you and you're probably talking shit back and you know, instigating, you know, like you ain't gonna do shit. Like, fuck you, you ain't gonna act all hard to me. And then he stated his friend pulled out a knife. Now, at that point, now you're bringing what is quoted as a deadly weapon into this altercation. One, you don't know if they have a gun. You don't know what they're capable of, you don't know what they have on their person. Every single day, I mean, for the people watching the visuals, I carry a Springfield Hellcat 9mm subcompact on me every single day. No one knows it's there for my protection, because I will not be a I'll not be a statistic. You know, if I feel that my life is in danger or other people's lives are in danger, I'm going to try to stop that threat. But you know, as a 16-year-old kid, I had to drive it home to him. What if you pulled that knife out and that kid pulled out a gun? What are you gonna do then? You can't outrun a bullet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It's I think I could move pretty quick. I've seen quick moves. I'm a design, but I got quick movies.

SPEAKER_03

He's like, I'm fucking big, but he's like, You did you see my fucking 40 that I ran at the combine? Fastest ever.

SPEAKER_01

Look like the reporter off a generation kill out there. But yeah, rolling stones next time run straight.

SPEAKER_03

That was the thing I had to drive home to him, though, was you don't know society out there, and you know, always having to assess, like, we're we're in our older years, so obviously someone at 16 is not gonna really understand, you know, the lives that we have led up until this point, but I've had a gun pulled out on me, and I wasn't scared. Like it was you know directly pointed in my face, and I I was a kid when it happened. Um, you know, I was in my I think I was 18, 19 when it happened. Um, the guy he pulled out a gun on me, and I just looked at him. I I looked back at it, and I probably like, you are so lucky you didn't get shot in the fucking face right then and there. But I told him, Fucking do it. Looked him straight in the eyes and said, Fucking do it. You have the balls to pull that out on me. Now pull the trigger, pussy. And that's exactly my words. I was just if this is where I go, this is where I go. But you're not gonna pull out a gun and try to intimidate me. Pull the fucking trigger if you're fucking serious about it. And people are fucking batshit crazy. If it did, obviously not, because I'm still here, John.

SPEAKER_05

If he did, the tip the this podcast would have lost zero talent, by the way. No just fired.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we're trying out back right now so that way for next one, Richard's gonna be gone. Yeah, that's the heads up.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know, it's a trial membership. Go ahead, but with your baby stuff.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, and you know, now that we know we're talking about talents and shit. Hey, Kevin, um, about that licensing, I'm gonna need a little bit of Zell money from your end to come over. It better not bounce, bitch.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, so Eric's gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_02

I'll kill somebody for that jersey. Uh Kevin. Oh no, oh no, oh no, Zach's Zach Zach's.

SPEAKER_01

I thought he had two when I started.

SPEAKER_02

He had two.

SPEAKER_01

Kevin hasn't even talked yet. Yeah, settle down, Kevin. We'll get to you. We gotta save the best for last, I guess.

SPEAKER_05

It's not that good for this. I don't know. Pretty common, I think.

SPEAKER_00

I have a fear of running out of toilet paper. I don't know my.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, dude. Uh walking everywhere you gotta go. My fear does stem in the bathroom. Okay. I have a what I would call very rational fear of getting attacked on the toilet. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Notice how they laughed. I didn't notice that.

SPEAKER_05

I was just so you have the same good friends. It's not funny, it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00

Is it like the fear of uh going in a pool with a shark in it where your mind thinks there's like shit in the water?

SPEAKER_01

No, not exactly. So my thing is like uh, you know, going down into the toilet stall, public bathrooms specifically, uh, you know, and you're dropping your pants around your ankles, you know, getting ready to take your business out in the toilet. You know, and uh you're defenseless, right? I mean, what am I gonna do if somebody attacks me at that point? Right? I'm stuck. Uh there's no way out.

SPEAKER_04

Don, just look over here, man. I can see you want to laugh, brother.

SPEAKER_00

Come on, I was just, you know, someone's talking to me behind me. Oh, okay, yeah. Richard's got allergies going on right now.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, me too. You know, I'm stuck. Like, what am I gonna do? Fight him with my pants around my ankles? I'm already at a disadvantage, man. Back up. Back up.

SPEAKER_05

The funny part is I know where the story's going. I know where the story's going, and I never knew the reasoning behind it now. But please continue.

SPEAKER_01

Like, uh, it's really just rationality, right? I don't really have a story that's associated with this. It just uh when I was working as a police officer, you know, you always had to make sure that like if you're gonna use a public bathroom, like nobody else is gonna come in. Because you know, you're dropping your duty belt to the ground, so your gun's just sitting on the floor. You know, anybody can reach under a stall and get to that shit. You know, you gotta be careful, and that's where my rational fear stems from in my mind.

SPEAKER_05

I got a question. Oh yeah, I'm is that why you take off your pants and underwear to take a shit?

SPEAKER_01

I mean, sometimes yeah, but also I just like getting comfortable.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, yeah. Is it so you are at attack readiness? Dick out, ready to go. Is that why?

SPEAKER_02

That's more of an Ellen's gonna fucking fight me when my dick's out.

SPEAKER_01

True, man. There's nothing more intimidating than a naked man willing to fight you.

SPEAKER_05

I can't argue that. It's like the thing. I can't argue that thing. Oh my god. Facts. That's a funny fear though. Like, but to you it's so real. I'm trying not to laugh, but it's so funny.

SPEAKER_00

Dude, I was visualizing it. That's why I was laughing, was because it was like, what would I do with that situation? That's why it was so damn funny. Back up, please. Hold on, let me finish.

SPEAKER_01

I'm about two turns away from being ready.

SPEAKER_05

Just you just you just stand up like scared and just now it's in my pants.

SPEAKER_01

What am I gonna do? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05

Uh that's hilarious, Zach. Yeah. I'm sorry that you have to go through that.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, Kevin, what is your fear?

SPEAKER_05

I mean, I I think it this is a very rational fear, so I'm not literally scared of a lot of things. I, you know, I have been getting more anxiety, you know, in a lot of public spaces, stuff like that, but you know, a lot of people have that. I do have a fear of heights, and that's odd, right? Because, you know, I've been a firefighter for 10 years, and I'm I used to be scared of ladders, like petrified of ladders, and then I just got over it eventually. I am working on getting my pilot's license, I'm almost there, and I'm scared of flying. Believe it or not, I'm actually scared of flying, but I love it so much. I'm just able to push through those certain things. But the one thing that keeps me up at yeah, John, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, is the reason why you got your pilot license is because you're afraid that you wanted to get over the fear?

SPEAKER_05

You know, that's a curious thing, right? And I think maybe subconsciously a lot of that stuff is true. I think I I think I've done a lot my life because I don't like to miss out. I have FOMO. So if I have a my real fear is a fear of missing out, right? So that that that's possible. I don't like to miss out on things. I'm really that guy, like you only get one shot at this. Let's why not, right? If I die, I die. Okay, that's what am I gonna do then? Um you know, but yeah, like there there are times I get into a plane. Um, you know, I I over the last couple months I recently started flying solo. Um, and where I'm like, it took me one time 45 minutes just to taxi the plane to the runway because I was so dead set on like, am I going to kill myself today? Is today the day? Is this it? I'm here, thankfully, but yeah, I don't know, maybe John. That's a that's a very curious question. Um, but the problem is, is like I work behind a desk now and I love what I do, but I hate being behind a desk. So like I love I like doing things that most people aren't willing or want to do. Uh you know, things that scare people. I'm scared too, but for some reason I'm able to just push past that. But one thing that keeps me up at night, and I know that a lot of people have this one, it's not necessarily uncommon, but like it it gives me chills to think about. Like, I don't necessarily have a fear of dying, but I think about my demise quite often. And I have done this ever since I was just a little kid. I have always thought about that. All you could be laying down watching TV, just chilling out for the night, say one o'clock in the morning, getting ready to go to bed, and all of a sudden the thoughts start just creeping through my head because I'm a thinker, I'm an internal thinker all the time. And now I'm thinking, okay, you're 33, all right, you know, in 20 more years, you're gonna be 53. I'm like, wow, that's fucking old. Oh my god, you know, what's gonna happen after this? Or, you know, I'm relatively young in the grand scope of things, you know. I mean as a man, technically in my 30s, I'm in my prime as a man. But to me, at that point in time, if I get into that, I won't fall asleep until like eight, nine o'clock in the morning. I will sit there and watch TV, not really watching TV, but just thoughts just constantly racing in my head about me dying or my wife dying, like just terrible, terrible things about death. And I deal I dealt with death for 10 years as a firefighter. You know what I'm saying? That doesn't bother me, but my own death creeps the shit out of me for some reason.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know. Could there be fears there of like your legacy of what you're leaving behind? With like, you know, thinking of you know your own death and whatnot?

SPEAKER_05

I don't even think that's it. I don't know. Like, because I'm not even like my legacy that I care about isn't I care about the people that are close to me, how they think of me. I don't think about anybody else's thoughts on me, right? The people who are close, and you know, I spend a lot of time, I I'm kind of the black sheep in my family, my you know, extended family, I guess you would say. And so that doesn't bother me. I keep my friends real tight knit, real close. And you know, you guys are part of that. I have my physical friend in Michigan, just a few, Zach, you know, I've known for 15 years now. Uh met him online, met him physically. Um, if you know what I'm saying. And and you know, so I don't keep a certain I've been here for two years in Georgia. I just recently, within the last month and a half, made what I would call a friendship with a physical person here. And that's he's cheating on you. Yeah, I heard it. We heard it here a lot. Sorry, that's live. Fuck it. We're doing it live. Um, so I think I also I guess that's a good fear then. I I have a fear of giving myself, giving too much of myself to people because I've done that when I was younger, right? I gave everything to people and I've only been let down, right? So I keep it so small, and like I would have people, hey, let's go do this, let's go do that, kind of like what Rich was talking about. But I'm if I don't fuck with you like that, then I don't fuck with you. That's just kind of the way I am now, and I think that is a defense mechanism that I've I've acquired probably over the last 15 years, um, with various aspects of my life that have caused me to kind of rein that in a little bit. So yeah, I mean, I guess that is a fear. I have a fear of giving myself, giving too much of me away, and there's a lot to give away. Talking about poundage.

SPEAKER_03

You you said you want to get pounded if it's by you, Kevin, all day long. Oh, all right, cool. I do hear Kevin's a power bottom. I could be. He's a power bottom. I'll be a power top. I'd be good to you.

SPEAKER_05

I'd be good to you, baby. I'm not gonna lie, I'd be good to John too. He's looking damn fine down there in that corner. Oof.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, jeez.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. All right, Rich. I think it's on to you. You haven't really said anything about a fear yet. You said you're not scared of getting shot.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, it's you know, that it's it's a crazy thing, you know, because in society, you know, with all the shootings that we have in society today, you know, I I guess it it stems back from, you know, my background. Um you know, getting shot at. I mean, just recently I got shot. Luckily, I took three to the plate. Um, you know, some cracked ribs and uh, you know, some internal bleeding later, you know, I'm still here, but uh yeah. Um, no, getting shot is definitely not one of them. Um if it when it comes to fears, uh it's just like it'll go back to uh you know something that just happened recently, you know, kind of like how John was saying, um just depression taking over. Um, you know, I've always been the strong one in my family, um, or you know, that's just kind of been my attitude, you know, I have to be the strong one in everything. And last year it really made me take a fucking step back and sit in the back seat instead of the driver's seat for a little bit because depression definitely overtook my life, and um, you know, with all the stuff that stemmed from that, you know, prior to you know what happened, what got me into that point, it really scared me the day in and day out activities of really just not wanting to live anymore, and you know, going through the phases of is today gonna be the day? No one really gives a shit, right? You know, those voices inside your head really start, you know, fucking with your psyche and you know, going to the point of not eating, um going to the point where I think I was fucking hardly on in that time frame. There was a moment where you kind of just because you're a guy that's on, you just kind of you were gone, fell off the face of the fucking earth, and um, you know, prior to uh my deletion of Facebook, you know, uh you know, Zach doesn't uh have no, I think I do have Zach's number, but you know, Zach, you know, checked up you, Kevin checked up. You know, there was uh multiple other people that um you know were like, hey dude, what the fuck happened to you? Like you're usually always here, and it's like John said in episode one, you would have never known that I was actually going through shit, because I hide it very well. Um I guess that's a that's a fear, you know, kind of um you know related. What do people think of me? Um, you know, that that can stem from that uh you know, that fear too is you know, I'm always trying to be the the likable, you know, character. Um, you know, I do care a little too much. It's gotten very slimmer as the years have gone on. I've stopped, you know, giving a fuck, you know, what people think, but you know, early on in life, early 20s, um, you know, definitely it was something that, you know, fuck, you know, what if this person doesn't fucking like me because of this? And it would fucking eat away at my um at my psyche, you know, every single day. Like, fuck, you know, did I fuck up? Did I say too much? Did I do this? Did I do that? You know, even going through the dating scene, it's like um now going through what I've gone through, it's you know, that fear of definitely my past, you know, that's that's something that's live right now, is um, you know, I don't talk I'm not dating, so to speak. Um I'm not looking for it. Uh, you know, Kevin and Zach I mean you don't know too much about the story, John, but uh Zach and Kev know everything because they were fucking there right there for it, um, with everything that was happening with my ex and um just the constant back and forth, and then boom your dad passed. Great, just fucking one thing after the other. And it was just it was bullshit. And you know, that depression, that's what scared me the most out of you know all my fears in life was depression taking over, and it fucking took over tenfold. And you know, I did not think I was gonna be able to dig myself out of that fucking hundred foot hole, however, you know, deep it was. But I'm out, I'm here, you know, it's it's great. I did, you know, overcome that depression and that, you know, dark portion of my life, but it's definitely one of those things that depression sucks. It's definitely um a valid fear to have, you know, for those people out there who definitely they feel segregated, you know. While I I do go through this depression, I don't want to talk about it because shut the fuck up. I don't want to hear about it, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Um, and that's I don't want to be a bother, etc. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It's and that's what society is now today. And that's the reason I don't talk a lot about of my problems. Um, that's kind of the reason it's like, oh yeah, we never know what's wrong with fucking rich because he doesn't fucking talk about it. Kevin, on the other hand, will fucking I get texts, and it's funny. It's funny because Kevin senses shit, right? And fucking there was one night to so many months ago, and we were just sitting there talking, and I think something happened, and Kevin said it was something very little, but we're always joking, we're always you know throwing shit back and forth, you know, bullshitting, throwing jokes at one another. And Kevin said something, and I fucking snapped. I I fucking snapped and I went off on Kevin. First ever time that I've fucking gone off on Kevin, you know, because we're always just joking, you know, going back and forth, you know, and something snapped, and it was like, no, fuck you, dude. And Kevin texts me two hours because I got off. I fucking ult at Ford, turned off my computer, was fucking not seen for a couple days. But Kevin texted me later the same night. I understand what happened. Okay, we're past that now. You know, that that happened already. What's going on, dude? And fucking me and Kevin had a sit-down for like a couple hours texting back and forth, you know, like, hey, my bad. Fucking going through some shit, but it's Kevin knew that wasn't projected towards me. I just got the shit end of the fucking stick. What's actually going on ups inside that head? And um that's definitely, you know, depression. I I hate projecting shit on people. And you know, that's uh, you know, that's a big fear. Me opening up, I guess. You know, depression and me opening up to others is definitely something because I've always stemmed to be that rock, that person who is like, oh no, like I can come to him for anything, and it's just I bottle my own shit up, put the fucking lid on, throw it away. How may I help you today? Like, what what are what what is it that you're going through? And it's never about you know, like, okay, like I have shit too, but it's you never want to bring that shit up because uh it's I have that fear of like, okay, well it's I'm just gonna get told to shut the fuck up and get over it. Get pushed off to the side and it's kind of like but I'll help you. I'll throw my shit to the side, I'll help you. But in a sense, now that I'm getting older, now that I'm getting wiser, I need to start tackling this shit that I'm dealing with rather than fucking throwing it off to the side and dealing with everything and everyone else. I gotta secure home base before I can fucking start worrying about all the other fucking assets out in the field.

SPEAKER_05

So self-care. A rock always falls hardest when it's thrown over the edge. Remember that. 100% always.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like Kevin's gonna bring out the anger iceberg.

SPEAKER_05

Well, I mean, I do have this fancy little diploma over here, but no big deal. Me, I did that. It's nothing, whatever. You know.

SPEAKER_02

I'm higher than you because I have a diploma.

SPEAKER_05

Me, I did that. Me, not you did that. Awesome. I feel personally attacked. You should be. Shouldn't you should fucking feel attacked. Should all feel attacked. John, you've been kind of quiet tonight, man. What else you got to say for us? Could be anything. I don't care at this point in time. We're past we're past the fears now, baby. It's time to be joyful. Yeah, it's just joyful now at this point in time.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Well, I mean, we're playing games tonight.

SPEAKER_05

We could play games. What do you want to play? Whatever. He's like, I just got gifted squad. That's true. Oh, by the way, who who gave you squad again? I believe it was uh Zach. It wasn't Rich and it wasn't it wasn't Zach.

SPEAKER_02

Who bought the squad? Zach definitely didn't gift you a fucking game because Zach is the fucking person who gets gifted games.

SPEAKER_00

I think it was a good old gentleman named uh Kevin.

SPEAKER_04

It was me! Wow, I did it.

SPEAKER_05

It was you. No. I want you to play. It's a fun game. It is. I'm sick of playing with rips, so I want to play some new blood, you know.

SPEAKER_02

What the few personal attacks at me? It's not a personal attack. No, this is gonna be the fucking segment of you putting your fucking shit out there. What do you have to say to me, Kevin? No talent. I'm tired of playing with them. You know what else do you have to fucking say? Let's get it out here on the air. Yeah, let's fucking let's get out on the air. I let's go out the laundry.

SPEAKER_05

I cannot put that on the air. I can't go in the deep dive. All right. On air, I'll tell you that I love you, Rich, and you're a great guy.

SPEAKER_02

And then he's gonna say the TOS type shit off stream because I I am strictly by the book.

SPEAKER_05

I always have been. Okay. I happy to never I've never had bots deleted. Okay. Um one. In fact, those things don't even come to my head. I've never said anything uh obscure uh that I can recollect.

SPEAKER_02

Not not even one.

SPEAKER_05

Not even the one that I joined into last night. I don't remember what I remember Zach said some terrible things about you. I do remember all that.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, so we're pushing blame.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, god, I see where this is going. It's everyone else's fault. Everyone else's fault. I'm not the problem. They are the problem. Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, I mean, yes, okay, yeah, man. I uh yeah, thank you. I I I appreciate your understanding. That's that's big of you, you know? That's big of you to understand. Okay, that's big of you too.

SPEAKER_03

Penis. Word of the day.

SPEAKER_01

How about you, Zach? Anything else for the crowd? I don't know, man. I mean, uh you know, it's been pretty good. I appreciate getting on with you guys uh talking about this stuff. You know, it's been very enlightening for me.

SPEAKER_05

I'm happy to hear that, but also we only have you here as a last resort. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You know, and I just no, I'm the no talent, but you're the backup bitch.

SPEAKER_05

Zach's amazing. Zach's amazing. Zach's one of my best friends in the whole wide world.

SPEAKER_03

I'm just here because I can record. What are you really putting for, Zach?

SPEAKER_01

Zach's I mean, my sultry voice is all I have to offer. You know what?

SPEAKER_05

I'm not gonna lie, it does sound pretty good coming through a uh uh uh a microphone the way you have it. Uh it's not bad.

SPEAKER_01

Steel series that's one without uh you know the full setup here. So I gotta really, really bring it forward, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you can support Zach and the podcast at patreon.com forward slash the magdump podcast, where you can get exclusive content. This is gonna be a shameless plug. I do not give a fuck. I love it. But for those of you who would like to support the podcast, um head over on to our Patreon page, like I said, patreon.com forward slash the magdump podcast. Um, we do have three tiers as of right now. I'm gonna read them off. We have the exclusive content where for five dollars, you will get yeah, five. Five big ones. Only five dollars. Only five dollars or only a payment of four ninety-nine. You get not one but two Kevins in a week. Oh no, but in all seriousness, uh tier one at five dollars gets you early access to the episodes like we are recording now. This is for the main episodes. Um, those will be pre-released only to Patreon about a week, a week to five days. We haven't kind of determined the uh time frame on that. Um, but you will get early access to the episodes prior to anyone else. Um, that's with five dollars. We have the all exclusive package, which is ten dollars, which gives you everything from tier one, and you get all of our bonus tracks. Bonus track, bonus track.

SPEAKER_01

If you guys are fans of me in particular, which is unlikely, that's where you mostly see me is in the bonus tracks.

SPEAKER_03

Bonus track. Bonus tracks. But yes, another one another one, DJ Khaled. Um, but yes, you will get the bonus episodes. Um, bonus episodes will be posted to Patreon first and foremost. After a month of their cycle, they will be posted out to the public for everybody to hear. Then you have tier three, that is $20. Um, that gives you everything of all access from tier one to tier two. Tier three, um, as of right now, that'll be revised as we kind of go on. As of right now, it's uh QA sessions or ask me anything sessions, where you will get to come on live with us and be able to ask us some hardball questions if you want to.

SPEAKER_05

I'm so excited for somebody to do that, by the way. I really am. I love being put on the spot and I I wanna I want to sweat a little bit. Sweat sweat me.

SPEAKER_03

Did sweat me, boys. Did I say the price? That is twenty dollars, twenty dollars if I did not say that. So it's five, ten, and twenty. Um, as we joked around in a bonus bonus track episode. Bonus for a thousand dollars, you get Kevin for a week.

SPEAKER_05

Hey, that's not bad, dude. It's not a bad deal, but if you knew me, you would realize how bad of a deal it is. So uh buy it your own uh your own beware. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

John, do you have any socials that you want uh to throw out there? Shameless plug time.

SPEAKER_00

Just my Twitch, I guess. Yeah. And throw it out there. Not that I really don't stream it anywhere, but you know, it's uh twitch.tv slash arctic. You want to spell that for the crowd because everyone calls you Rick Dick. Yeah, it's uh R-C-T-I-C. Just you know, if you can't figure it out, just put the A before it, say it again, and then remove the A. And that's my Twitch. I'm confused.

SPEAKER_03

I am confusion. Kevin, do you have any uh socials that you want to throw out?

SPEAKER_05

Don't I I I will eventually here, uh depending on uh what Elon Musk is doing with Twitter. We'll see what's going on.

SPEAKER_06

I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_05

I don't know. I I don't really you know, I don't stream really. Um I tried it, I just don't have the time to do it. Um but I will figure something out. We'll uh I don't want you people to talk to me.

SPEAKER_03

Talk to me.

SPEAKER_01

Zach, I know you're not a big social networking person, so nope, and uh most of you guys' followers will probably actually recognize me as just somebody who uh kind of keeps moderation going. What's your Facebook? Uh my Facebook is actually my full name, uh Zach McLean.

SPEAKER_03

And for the spelling of that, you can go over to the RSS page. I guess mailbook Facebook.

SPEAKER_05

I never thought about that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you could. I mean that's if you want a bunch of fucking weirdos like adding you, you know. I do, I do, I really do. That's created my friends list anyway, so yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Uh how about the Discord? You got that one?

SPEAKER_03

Um, yes. So if for any of you who do want to join the Discord, although the Discord is a streaming community, we do also have everyone um who is interested in the podcast here. It is just a small community of fucked up individuals. We are just all lovely. I mean that with love. Um, but that is Casa De Waffle. You can find the invite link on my Twitch, which is twitch.tv forward slash K A O S 0514. You guys can also follow me on Twitter, same chaos514. You can find me on Instagram, I probably won't accept you. I do not have a Facebook on Facebook. I mean, you can you have my number for that, you know? I I get those privately.

SPEAKER_05

I want other people to know that I'm sending you pictures of my butthole.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, for sure. Um, we will I will be making a the magbunk the words English hard. The mag dump podcast. We're gonna be making a Twitter. Most likely I will stem out an Instagram from that where it gives you guys kind of exclusive clips. Exclusive, exclusive bonus, bonuses, Kevin for a week, Kevin for a week for a thousand dollars for a thousand dollars for a low price of a thousand dollars. Um, but yeah, no, we should have uh some socials up. Um TikTok might be a thing. I mean, every everyone's on the TikToks, you know, everyone's doing TikTok nowadays. Well we can start doing the the JRE experience, you know, the Joe Rogan. We just start doing fucking clips where John's over here like. Do we have to pull up your uh TikTok dance clip? Is that so what John is stemming to everybody is a thing on my Twitch when I actually stream is called a segment titties for biddies for 500 biddies. I will get up to the song of Genuine by Pony. Or no, it's Pony by Genuine. And I will do the TikTok dance as we call it. And you guys get a show for 500 biddies. Um I'm a very cheap whore. Five dollars. Uh it definitely does that for me. It does a lot of money. Yeah, definitely. Uh, but I thank everyone who has listened to the episode. Um, Kevin, thank you. John, thank you. Zach, thank you.

SPEAKER_01

And thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_03

Um, for all of our listeners, go over to buzzsprout.com forward slash the magdump podcast, where you can find all our episodes or whatever you listen to all your podcasts on. We will be on every major platform. If you'd like to see the visual side of the podcast, go to YouTube, look up the Magdump Podcast, and this is where you will see all the video footage of all the episodes. But other than that, gentlemen, it's always been a pleasure.

SPEAKER_05

As always. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00

And just remember that shit's scary.

SPEAKER_04

That shit's scary. That shit's scary. Spooky scary.

SPEAKER_00

Spooky scary.