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#2 Baptist de Pape: Learning the secrets of manifesting

• Steffy Roos du Maine • Episode 2

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Baptist de Pape is a lawyer turned author and filmmaker. On top of that, he’s also a spiritual explorer whose passion is finding one’s true purpose in life. Baptist had been the guy behind the remarkable book and film called The Power of the Heart. He also penned a new bestseller that will surely strike many.

In this episode, we explore the deeper side of manifestations, gratitude, creating space for your ego, and what it takes to become rich?

Key Takeaways:

  • When you manifest from the heart, that’s when you can guarantee success
  • Does finding your soul mission and getting rich go together?
  • Money is a means to create a better life and fulfill your soul’s mission
  • Success in business is always coming from a place of resilience and perseverance
  • How do you create space for your ego?

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Steffy Roos du Maine: Welcome to the Mindful & Millionaire podcast. I'm Steffy Roos du Maine and I'll be interviewing the most inspiring guest on the culmination of spiritual growth and business success.


My guest on today's show is Baptist de Pape, known for the documentary, The Power of the Heart. Baptist interviewed stars like Deepak Chopra, Marianne Williamson and Eckhart Tolle, and combined all of their wisdom into a movie. The movie was a great success, as was the book, The Power of the Heart. Recently, Baptist wrote a new book in Dutch, Learn to Manifest Like Oprah Winfrey and J.K. Rowling. 


Welcome.


Baptist de Pape: Thank you, Steffy. It's great to be here. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's really nice to have you here on this rainy winter day in Amsterdam. 


Baptist de Pape: Rainy, cold winter day in April. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's bizarre, but April's a good month because it's the month for your new book. 


Baptist de Pape: Yes, my new book is coming out, Learn to Manifest Like Oprah Winfrey and J.K. Rowling. It's coming out here in the Netherlands and Belgium on April 26th.


Steffy Roos du Maine: What is your law for manifestation? What is it that you like so much about it that you wrote a whole book about it? 


Baptist de Pape: I think my whole life I've been wondering about this subject. There are people that seem to be very powerful manifestors. If I think about a very powerful one, Oprah Winfrey comes to mind. J.K. Rowling—I think you probably grew up with Harry Potter books—is also a very powerful manifestor.


There are people who work very hard their whole lives and don't have the same success, and they try and they try and they try. This book was really an investigation into the mechanics of what powerful manifestors like Oprah and J.K. do in order to get the magnificent success that they have.


Steffy Roos du Maine: What do you think is the secret behind manifestation?


Baptist de Pape: I think the secret has to do with your identification with who you really are. You think you're only a person. You're only a personality. You are Steffy Roos du Maine. You're a woman who's living and working in Amsterdam, but you are much more than that. You are a soul. You are infinite intelligence. The question is, of course, how can you tap into that? We all had those moments where we had intuition and insights, where we felt a very powerful aliveness, that is our soul speaking to us. 


The problem is that our education is left brain, it's logical, it's rational, it's based on thinking. The soul works in a very different way. If you only live in a linear perspective, let's say, from the mind, you can only create within that reality, within the spectrum of the linear world. Let me give you a good example of how should we see this. 


If you are on a boat on a river and you are the mind, the linear, the logical can only see the next bend, the next turn on the river. If you are the soul, the soul can see the whole river from source to sea. The soul knows why you're here, what your purpose is. The soul knows what the intention is of itself and of the soul, and the soul knows how to get to that goal and to that intention. The mind is not able to work from that perspective. The mind can only be a servant of that soul.


This maybe seems to be very abstract. If I talk with people and I say, "Okay, if you fall in love, is that something that you can measure or is it something that you can see?" No, just feel it and there's that energy of the soul as well. We have things that really excite us and it makes us come alive, that is the soul speaking to us. That could be the first step.


The reason why we are not able to live from the soul is that we are not taught how to do that. The only way to get there is to start to experiment with it. I think The Power of the Heart, my first book, is a journey into that. I interviewed a lot of very successful people like Paulo Coelho, Isabel Allende and Maya Angelou. I started to listen to their heart, to their soul because the heart is the seat of the soul.


This new book, Learn to Manifest Like Oprah and J.K. Rowling goes deeper into that and it's trying to research what exactly did they do in order to manifest what they did. Because if you look at their start position, where they started, the start position was very difficult. Oprah was born in Mississippi, the most racist state at the time. Her mother was a maid. Her grandmother who raised her was a maid. They told her, "Oprah"—Gail was her second name—"I hope you find yourself some nice white folks to work for." The expectation was that she would be a maid as well.


In her own words, she was as poor as she could be without having a roof over her head. She was not good-looking; she was ugly and fat in her own words. At a very young age, she started to pray because she was part of the Baptist church. She said, "I don't have a lot to live for, but use me, use me." What happened there? She was not asking "What do I want," but she was asking God, the Grader, "Use me. What do you want me to do?" I think that is a very big explanation for her big success. How can someone with that background, with that bad start position, how can someone like that become such a power for good in the world, one of maybe the most influential women in the United States, maybe one of the most influential women on the planet? How is that even possible?


J.K. Rowling has the same story. She was married in Portugal to a Portuguese journalist. They have a horrible divorce. She has to come back and she starts to live in Scotland because her sister lives there. She has no money. She's very depressed and she has one young daughter that she has to support. She becomes very, very even more depressed because she thinks her life is a failure. At that point, she is on a train from, I think, Manchester to London, and she has this idea of a wizard boy that doesn't know he's a wizard.


Because her life is such a failure, she starts to follow that energy because it excites her, and that is, of course, the Harry Potter series, Steffy. She becomes the first billionaire author. If you look at her start position, where she started from, then that's an amazing manifestation. In the book, I looked into the mechanics of that.


Steffy Roos du Maine: I think you're the biggest manifestation because you have really great examples, but I think you're also a really great example of manifesting something as big as The Power of the Heart. You were quite young when you started it. Where did you get the knowledge from? Did you think about such a big project and manifesting it in the real world? 


Baptist de Pape: Well, if I go back to my old self, my personality, my ego, I wanted to work for a big law firm—I was thinking of who else besides us—and I achieved that. Then I realized I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life because once you get in there, you are seven days per week. Then your only goal is to become a partner. I have many friends who are doing that and I thought, "Well, they're not so happy." 


I had this inner conflict and this is very important for everyone in this world. We all go to school and we want to become successful. We want to become investment bankers or lawyers and want to make a lot of money. If that's not what your soul wants, I will not say that you start to become sick, but you will start to have this inner conflict because your soul wants this. Your ego wants this. If they are not aligned, your soul will start to sabotage you. Things go wrong, you get sick, you get depressed because your soul says, "No, no, you have to do this." Your mind, your ego is afraid because your mind is, "Oh, I studied very hard. I went to a business school" or "I went to law school. I cannot leave this path." You feel that you're disconnected from your soul because you're cut off from your alignments.


What has to happen? Your personality has to find the courage to start to serve the energy of the soul. Once they start to work together, you can manifest everything. I have news for you. I thought, for my personality, the best thing that I can achieve with my life is to become a partner with a big international law firm. That was the highest that I could achieve with my life. It was much more ambitious. My soul says, "No, you're going to be the best-selling author all over the world. You're going to create a book and you're going to create this film and it will be huge." The problem is that my mind does not believe that at all, but the soul says, "I know you don't know how to do this. You never made a film. You don't know anything about art. You have never written a book, but I will show you. Just follow the first step." Martin Luther King said, "You don't have to see the whole staircase, just take the first step," and that's how you do it.


What is very important is you have to see the end result and focus on it as if it has already been accomplished. The intention to do that has to come from the soul. Because I could have said, "Okay, I want to be a billionaire and I want to make money in real estate," if that's not aligned with the intention of the soul, it's going to be very hard because you're working against your own soul. You first have to identify what is the intention of your soul, and then you can use all the things that are being taught in Think and Grow Rich and The Science of Getting Rich in order to achieve that—visualization, programming the subconsciousness, all those things—but you first have to identify what is the intention of your soul. If you have found that, then you will have all the resources and the energy. Because if you are not super excited about it, if it's not coming from your heart, it's going to be very hard to accomplish it and to achieve it and to manifest it. Because every time when things get hard and it's not coming from your true self, your heart, then you will give up. If it's coming from your heart, from your soul, you will never give up because it's who you are.


Steffy Roos du Maine: That is why you will succeed when it comes from the heart. 


Baptist de Pape: That's why I had no idea how to do this. I was your age when I did this. I had no experience, but I had my heart and my soul, and I knew that this was what I needed to do, so I was unstoppable. I think Oprah Winfrey studied a lot. She's unstoppable. 


J.K. Rowling is unstoppable because she was a billionaire. She's not a billionaire anymore because she gave so much to charity. She said, "I would give everything away for one day of writing." That's why she's unstoppable because she loves writing more than money. Of course, she's managing her money well. The thing is, writing is her essence; it's who she is. She doesn't understand that not everybody wants to be a writer. She doesn't understand it because that's who she is.


Oprah knows how to interview and talk with people and how to connect with people like no one else on the planet.


Steffy Roos du Maine: They're really both from the soul, from the heart.


Baptist de Pape: It doesn't mean that everyone has to become a billionaire; it's about living from your true identity. A fish cannot drown in water, and a bird cannot fall from the sky. Each creature must find its own God-given element. You have to find your element, and that's where you become successful, that's your foundation. If you don't have that foundation, you will never ever reach your full potential. 


Paulo Coelho says in The Power of the Heart, "You will never ever reach your full potential if you don't open your heart." Why? Because the heart is the portal to your true identity and soul. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: That's beautiful. 


Baptist de Pape: This is the secret of success. This is the real secret. Yes, The Science of Getting Rich and Visualization (sic) said—there's this other thing—"You can find the intentions of your soul." If you have subconsciously negative programming around money and success, you will have problems. You will also have to look at it. There are a lot of spiritual people we talked about in this story who have found their calling and are very spiritual, but they have real blockages around money on a subconscious level.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Because we're talking about billionaires and real estate, do you think that finding your soul mission and getting really rich don't go together?


Baptist de Pape: Yes, they go together if you want to get rich. There are a lot of people who are living their soul mission and who don't want to get rich. I mean, there are teachers in schools. They don't make a lot of money, but they're so happy. It's what they need to do. We have to see that not everybody wants to get rich. 


It's like Warren Buffett. He became very wealthy through value investing. He loves what he does, he really loves it. He's not into money because he hates spending. For the spending, he says, "I don't know how to spend money, let my wife do that." His wife passed. He knows how to make money, but he lives very frugally. He was raised during the depression in the United States. He only knows how to make money; he does not spend it. He loves investing and making money, that's the game he loves. For rich people, it's a game. It's not a necessity anymore; it's a game because they don't do it to survive anymore. 


I think that you can find your soul mission and I know many people have found it who are not very rich, but they don't care. There are other people who have found their soul mission and became very rich, and they did the work. Again, there are people who want to get rich, who have found their soul mission, but they still have this negative subconscious programming. I think my next book is going to be about that. I mean, there is a chapter in my new book, Learn to Manifest Like Oprah Winfrey and J.K. Rowling in it about subconscious programming. 


The thing about Oprah and J.K., they had very negative programming around money because they were raised poor with poor parents. They didn't have positive subconscious programming around money. Their soul mission was so great, J.K. created a new reality with the Harry Potter series. Oprah created a new reality and it was so big, their soul mission was so big, her soul purpose was so big that it overcame the subconscious negative programming.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Do you think it's—I won't say a problem—but maybe an issue in the spiritual world that there are so many unconscious blockages about money, about the money mindset if you'd like to call that, especially in the spiritual world or do you see that?


Baptist de Pape: I think a lot of people in the spiritual world have problems with money. I always say if everything is energy, then money is also energy, so what's the problem? They think that people who are making a lot of money are greedy and they're selfish. They think everything is just scrooge, I think, and Dagobert Duck in Dutch, Scrooge McDuck in English. I think that money is a means to create a better life and it's also a means to fulfill your soul's mission. Without money, I could not have done The Power of the Heart.


I have no problems with money; I love it. With money itself, what can you do with money? Nothing, but you can do things with it. It gives you freedom. It gives you opportunities. It gives you a better life, a better standard of living. You know this, too. It's very hard if you don't have it. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yeah.


Baptist de Pape: It's just energy to me, but it is an energy that you need in order to fulfill certain desires like freedom and a better life. If you have children, you can give them a better future if you have money.


There are a lot of people who have blockages on that because they think it's a bad thing, they have bad programming around it, but yeah. I mean, if they don't change that, their life will not change.


Steffy Roos du Maine: The question I always ask because it's called Mindful & Millionaire, of course, do you feel rich? What does feeling rich mean to you? 


Baptist de Pape: For me, it's all about gratitude.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Beautiful.


Baptist de Pape: I can be a billionaire and be ungrateful, and I'm not rich. I can have nothing and be super grateful for the fact that I'm living and I'm in here and I exist, life itself is a miracle, and then I'm a billionaire, a spiritual billionaire. Of course, we need to live in both worlds. I like to have some nice money in my bank account and I like to have real estate and then gold and some cryptos and everything. At the same time, I also like to live in a space of gratitude because gratitude, Wallace D. Wattles said in The Science of Getting Rich, that's the power, that's the power to get rich. 


Joe Dispenza said it, too. He's also in The Power of the Heart, "If you are in a place of gratitude, whatever you're grateful for, that's what you attract, but you have to do it consistently." You have to let it be the dominant programming. If you are only grateful for 20 minutes per day and the rest of the day you are suffering and ungrateful, then you will not attract whatever you want. If I am grateful for whatever I want, from a pure place, from my soul, aligned with my soul's intention, then I will attract it. It's the law.


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's the law.


Baptist de Pape: Yeah. Most people don't do it because they say, "Yeah, what's grateful for? Yeah, how long?" You have to do this for 100 days, and you will have to let that be the dominant energy in your life. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: How do you practice gratefulness? Do you write it down? Is it just something that pops up every time in your mind?


Baptist de Pape: You can create a vision board with everything you want or an achievement board. I write on an achievement board, too, everything I have achieved. I Say "Thank you. Thank you for everything I have achieved." I see everything that I want to achieve, I look at it, and I do it for one hour every morning, first thing. I have to get up at 5:00 in the morning, I will do it. I had an appointment with you this morning. I had to get up a little earlier. I've been in the car for two and a half hours. I have my vision board, and I'm grateful for whatever I want to attract, and I do that every day for at least one hour. Then in the evening, before I go to bed, I do that, too, for 30 minutes. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Wow, that's nice. That's dedication.


Baptist de Pape: I am a fanatic.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Where did you learn about gratitude? 


Baptist de Pape: Well, I started to feel that love is a very powerful energy. If you love things and appreciate things, you start to attract more of them. Your focus determines your reality. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yeah, it's a true bomb.


Baptist de Pape: I started to see that we are a little bit like a Google machine. If I type in 'gratitude,' I would get more things to be grateful for. I don't want to make them familiar, never; sometimes I have to. I think it's negative programming to keep us in a state of fear and poverty. You have to create your own program. I mean, it's called tell-a-vision, it's called a program, a soul programming. We have to program ourselves for success.


Steffy Roos du Maine: You make it sound really easy because I'm really excited to read your book. 


Baptist de Pape: You talked about Michael Pilarczyk. It's all about mindset. Michael Pilarczyk is a fanatic. Michael Jordan—I don't know if you've heard of Michael Jordan. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yes.


Baptist de Pape: He was the best in basketball; now we have LeBron James. I've lived in the United States for many years, but Michael Jordan is like an icon. He was the most famous guy in the world in the '90s. He has a mansion. There's Netflix. There is a series, The Last Dance, about his last season with the Chicago Bulls. Everyone hates him. He's such a bully, but he wants to win at all costs, and that's the mindset. 


The problem with Steve Jobs, the founder of Apple with Steve Wozniak, he was not the nicest person, but he had a mindset and had a vision and he was spiritual. There's a lot of spiritual people that are not the nicest people, but they have a vision. Steve Jobs had always said, "If you want to be popular now, go sell ice cream." He had a vision and he wanted to achieve that because you only have so much time in your life. 


I think that mindset is everything. I mean, in sports you see it very clearly. The top-scoring team will have the mindset. That's why there's a lot of people from that area that go into business and they become very successful because they understand the mindset.


Steffy Roos du Maine: They know they want to win in everything they do.


Baptist de Pape: I prefer to win.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Do you like to win?


Baptist de Pape: Yeah, I do like to win. You, too?


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yes. I think maybe that's the secret of being successful—you really, really want it.


Baptist de Pape: You also have to look where it is coming from.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Absolutely. 


Baptist de Pape: Is it coming from your heart? Is it coming from your soul? 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Do you feel it sparkle? 


Baptist de Pape: People say, "Oh, I feel you?" I mean, yeah, I have a big ego, but this may be why I started. Because if your ego is very big, you suffer, you suffer a lot. Eckhart Tolle had a big ego. I spent quite some time with Eckhart Tolle. He wanted to commit suicide, and he said, "I cannot live with myself anymore." Because he had such a big ego, he was very bright. He was doing his Ph.D. at Cambridge at the time. If you have a big ego, you suffer more. Your suffering is your gateway to the spiritual side. The Buddha was not looking for enlightenment; the Buddha was looking for a way out of suffering. People say, "I don't have ego," they lie. Everyone has an ego. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: I also think you need an ego.


Baptist de Pape: Yeah, you need an ego. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: How do you use your ego for the better?


Baptist de Pape: The ego has to be your servant. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: How do you do that?


Baptist de Pape: The ego is there to protect you a little bit. I mean, your soul doesn't really need protection. This is the thing: when I say ego, it's edging God out. The ego, if you push against it, it will explode and will become bigger. If you have your ego, you have to give it more space, more love, and let it be because it's like a child. You have to love it, you have to embrace it. Don't push it away because it will explode in your face. The ego is like a child and you say, "You have the right to be here. I love you. Come, let's work together," but you have to create more space for the ego.


Steffy Roos du Maine: How do you create space for the ego because I feel sometimes my ego is quite big, too? How do we give space to the ego in a good way?


Baptist de Pape: To create space, we have to become more in love? If your ego is there, you say, "Oh, my ego is there. My ego, oh, I feel it coming up. I'm not a nice person. Right now, my ego is coming up." That's the first thing; observe that it's there. Then say, "Okay." Talk to it. "Okay, love you. Thank you. Thank you for coming up. I'm going to create more space for you. It's okay that you're here. You are a sign that I need to be more loving to you than to myself." You need to do some affirmations around it. Then the energy starts to shift, but you need to take time and say, "Okay, you're here. Hello! Welcome. I love you. It's good to be here with you. I see you. I know you want it your way, you want things your way, but I'm here. I can see that you want some attention, so I'm going to give it to you right now," and then it becomes better.


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's really refreshing because I think ego, as well as money, are sometimes topics in the spiritual world that we don't like to talk about, but how you put it, I'm like, "Yes, we shouldn't push it away."


Baptist de Pape: I've seen this in certain countries, especially in Holland, maybe countries like Austria, Germany, and other countries where they have less issues around money. Holland is maybe the Protestant influenced, I don't know. In the United States, it's different, for instance. I do think we should talk about money more and it's okay because we all need it.


Steffy Roos du Maine: In the world we live in, it's energy. It's nice. A question about the heart because it's a podcast but also a business. I was thinking about your opinion because you said when you started, you didn't know anything about the heart, but now we can say you're, I think, an expert. What powers does the heart have or do you use in business or for financial success? There are lots of powers, of course, of the heart. 


Baptist de Pape: Again, this is the most important thing—Steve Jobs said it very well and I know he was not the nicest guy, but he had some great insights; it's also my experience now—"Life is very short." My father is on his deathbed right now.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Sorry to hear that.


Baptist de Pape: You have to choose what you really want. You have to identify the intentions of your soul first. Because if you start a business or any endeavor—business, in this case—you cannot create a successful business in one year. It's possible, but most of the time not. It takes a lot of perseverance. The first is to identify "What do I want to do?" Success in business is always coming from a place of resilience and perseverance, so it has to come from your soul. If you don't have business experience, that's not a problem, that can actually be an advantage. Mark Zuckerberg didn't have any business experience and he became a billionaire in a very short time with Facebook. There are so many examples. He was very bright and he had his vision. 


Again, Martin Luther King did not say, "I have a strategy;" he said, "I have a dream." Your dream comes from your soul. If you want to start a business, you first have to really feel that this is really the thing that you want to put all your energy, blood, sweat and tears into for a certain way. It has to come from your soul, from that space. That is the most important rule for success in business. The intention must come from your heart, from your soul, and then you can overcome all the problems. 


I had to persuade investors to invest in my project, a very exotic project, "Please invest in a film about spirituality and a film about the heart." You need the energy to persuade people, but we cannot persuade people if you're not coming from an authentic place. The most important thing in business is to persuade people and to sell, so that's the thing. 


Another thing is, you don't need to know how to do it if you have the end vision in your mind. Then through subconscious programming, you will automatically go to that spot and do the right things, make the right moves, talk to the right people, attract the right investors, make the right phone calls in order to attract everything for your business. I do most of my success subconsciously. 


This is very interesting right now. I don't know if you heard about Getty, the Getty family at the time, 100 years ago, let's say 80 years ago, that was the richest family in the world. He was interviewed and they asked him, "Why are some people rich and why are other people not rich?" He said—this is very interesting—"I don't know because I've seen very bright people that don't get rich, and I've seen people that are not so bright and they are killing it."


Steffy Roos du Maine: That's good.


Baptist de Pape: It must be the subconscious programming. Your subconscious programming is the most important thing for your financial success; that's the secret for money and success in business. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: That's the secret.


Baptist de Pape: I know a lot of people who are not so bright but they're making a lot of money. I mean, if you look at the courts of honor, a lot of people in the courts of honor are not so bright. I mean, they're very bright people in the courts of honor, but there are also people who are not so bright. Subconsciously, they do the right thing. 


You have Pedro Celis, for instance. I don't think he's the smartest guy, but his subconscious programming is very powerful. Everything he does—I mean, he makes mistakes, too—but with his subconscious programming, he really believed in himself. I like to watch him. He does everything I think on an intuitive, subconscious level. If he would explain it, I think he could not explain it because we cannot copy that.


Steffy Roos du Maine: No, because it's in him.


Baptist de Pape: A lot of successful people don't know why they are successful; they are unconsciously competent. Because if people say to me, "I want to do what you do," but they can't copy me because I have certain subconscious programming, and I can only do what I do unless they are able to get the same subconscious programming that I have. Again, a lot of successful people don't know why they are successful, and you have to think about that and you have to realize that. If you want to be successful, you have to study how to program your subconscious mind. That's what Michael Pilarczyk has been doing with his books, Master Your Mindset, and the other book, the yellow book, Je Bent Zoals Je Denkt. I don't know if you have the books.


Steffy Roos du Maine: I read them.


Baptist de Pape: My next book is going to be about this topic. I have here the book and film. Here, my name is on it—Baptist. I did this with the team. I want to be clear, I could never do this alone. If you ask me how I did it, I have no idea. I hypnotized myself into the end result.


Steffy Roos du Maine: You just knew the dream.


Baptist de Pape: I had no experience and didn't know how to do it. This is a business. I had to find investors. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: It means a lot of money to make something like this. 


Baptist de Pape: I had the director of The Secret from Melbourne, Australia. The Secret was a big success. It was very hard to get the guy here to Amsterdam. If I look at it now, I'm like, "Wow." Sometimes I look at it and I'm like, "I don't know how I did it – 


Steffy Roos du Maine: "I did it!"


Baptist de Pape: – but I did it!"


Steffy Roos du Maine: You did it. You started it. You made it.


Baptist de Pape: I did dream boarding around this subconscious programming. Every time when I do my vision boarding, I say, "Okay, this is what I want to sell, The Power of the Heart, Paulo Coelho, I put them on my vision board. Maya Angelou, Deepak Chopra, Eckhart Tolle, put them on my vision board. They all said no, no, no, no to me 100 times, but I went back. Every time when I was visualizing it and feeling like it was already done with sustained focus, I received ideas on how to get to them and how to do this. I said I don't know how to do this, but my intuition told me, and it was all through vision boarding, through gratitude, processes, and through aligning with my soul.


The thing is, we think we need to go to school and learn how to do this. There are many people who never went to school, who cannot even sometimes write very well or speak very well like Moses. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: True.


Baptist de Pape: He was stuttering. He said, "Why, God? Why did you choose me?" The thing is, you don't attract I think what you want; you attract who you are. 


If you are in that space of the soul most of the time and you become one with what you want to manifest, then on a subconscious level, you start to do it. I mean, have you ever heard about automatic handwriting?


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yes. 


Baptist de Pape: You are in the street and you say, "I don't know, but I feel that I need to go back into my office." You come back into the office and then there's this person that you wanted to speak to all day; that's intuition. That can only happen when you start to become one with whatever you want to manifest. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's beautiful. I'm really, really excited for your book so I'm going to read it. Thank you for your inspiring words. 


Baptist de Pape: Thank you. Thank you for having me and inviting me.


Steffy Roos du Maine: I'm going to make some finishing words.


Baptist de Pape: Thank you, Steffy.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Mindful & Millionaire podcast. I hope you enjoyed and got inspired. You'll find all the interesting links and information in the show notes. Let's keep in touch on Instagram, steffyroosdumaine, and I'll be super grateful when you will rate, review or share this podcast.


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