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#6 Medium Fleur: Listening to your intuition is the key to success

• Steffy Roos du Maine • Episode 6

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Fleur was born in the Netherlands and raised in the United States. She grew up with a deep connection in the spiritual world, which has opened so many doors for her career. Now, she teaches her students to trust their intuition and stay in tune to their spiritual side. Aside from that, she's a psychic medium, fellow podcaster, and author of her newly published book Moving Beyond. Our chat today revolves around using spiritual awareness to drive your success. So make sure to turn your speakers up. 

Key Takeaways:

  • Feeling rich to her means finding and achieving peace. 
  • How does she feel being an entrepreneur in the spiritual world?
  • What does she think are the drivers for her success?
  • Fleur teaches people how to listen to the things that they can’t hear and see physically 
  • Intuition doesn’t have to work with a timeline.
  • How does she grow her team?

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Steffy Roos du Maine: Welcome to the Mindful & Millionaire podcast. I'm Steffy Roos du Maine and I'll be interviewing the most inspiring guest on the culmination of spiritual growth and business success.


Fleur Leussink is a famous medium, writer and intuition teacher. She guides several well-known musicians, actors and politicians, people like Lana Del Rey and Emma Stone. Last year, her first book has been published, called Moving Beyond: Access Your Intuition, Psychic Ability and Spirit Connection. 


Fleur, so good to have you on this podcast. 


Fleur Leussink: Thank you. Thanks for having me.


Steffy Roos du Maine: I loved reading your book and I have a million questions. The first one I love to start with—because of the name of this broadcast, Mindful & Millionaire—is about feeling rich. Do you feel rich, and what does feeling rich mean to you? 


Fleur Leussink: Great question. Feeling Rich—someone asked me the other day and it feels the same if I always feel happy. I thought about it and I was like, "No, not necessarily but I'm not chasing that anymore; I'm chasing peace." I think when I feel most rich is when I feel most peaceful, whatever that may be, a moment where I feel life is flowing or just the richness of getting to take half a day off just because I need it, that's real richness for me.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Also, one of the hardest things I think for entrepreneurs is to take a day off just like that. 


Fleur Leussink: Oh, yes. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: How do you feel being an entrepreneur in the spiritual world? How is that for you? 


Fleur Leussink: I love it. Every once in a while—and I want to be very real with this—I think there's always a moment in entrepreneurship on a day-to-day basis or you think, "I don't want to do this anymore." "Somebody, just tell me my job so I can close the door at 5:00 p.m and it's not an all-nighter." I had a moment like this maybe a year and a half ago where I thought, "I don't want to do this anymore." Then I started thinking about the other jobs I could do and I came back down to it but, "Mmm, nope, I really like this. This is about the only job I ever want is an entrepreneur in some way, shape, or form with all its ups and downs and in-betweens.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Any job has downs, also ups, but yeah, what you say, there's no perfect job. It's a good insight, I think. 


Fleur Leussink: I think, with entrepreneurship, the last thing I'll say is it's limitless. You can take it whichever way you want. You are your own limit, and that's the thing I love most about it.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Absolutely. What do you think about the word limitless? What are some things you created that you're so proud of, like, "Oh, wow! I've never thought of this before and now I just created it?"


Fleur Leussink: Well, we have this course at the moment and it runs for four weeks. The thing that I love that I've created is this platform where we're, "Okay, fine. I'm teaching classes," and that's amazing and people are getting something out of it, but we're also creating community. Because we've run them over the last two years now, people are best friends. We have this Facebook community. People come together. They have WhatsApp groups. They stay in touch. This part for me is amazing. This is a whole community and it really brought people together through COVID but also afterwards. That's part of it where I look and I think, "Oh, it's something I built, sure," but then the people that I built it for took it a few steps further and made it their own, and then now it has a life of its own, and that's pretty incredible. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Something you probably never imagined or even hoped for, and it's bigger than you.


Fleur Leussink: Yeah, it's bigger than me.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Going back to when you started doing this as more of a job in your, as I read, "closet in a student room with a different name." What were your hopes and dreams for your business back then, and how did you grow?


Fleur Leussink: Oh, no! This is not a business. Let me figure out if I'm crazy or not. The first two years was, "Okay, my body's not doing so well." I was quite ill at the time. "This is something I can figure out while I take a break and start school again in a year." That was my idea: I will take a year off, we'll see where it goes, and then somehow, it turned into a business. I'm not sure I really even saw it as a business until a few years ago, to be honest. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Really? 


Fleur Leussink: Yeah. I think for a long time, it was just me and an assistant, which is great. For eight years, it was me and an assistant. It hasn't been until we brought other team members on that it felt somehow like, "Oh, this is a business." It's not just me, which is not to say if you're listening and you are just you that it's not a business because "Ooh! It is." That is the hardest business if it's just you.


I think, for me, I don't know if it was something that I felt like I almost had to do that work for myself to own that to say, "Oh, I have a business, this is a business," It was easier for me to hide and just say, "Oh, it's just something I do." That for me was a big step to say, "Oh, no, it's a business. I created this."


Steffy Roos du Maine: "I'm an entrepreneur."


Fleur Leussink: Yeah, "I'm an entrepreneur."



Steffy Roos du Maine: In this whole business journey, when was the first time you were like, "Oh, I feel successful?" When did you first feel that?


Fleur Leussink: This is actually a funny story and maybe it's not Act 2. This is not the moment I felt successful, but it was the moment where I felt like if you want to call it the universe or if you want to call it a sign, I'm not sure. I remember that I just decided to do this work full time and everyone in my family was a little worried about it because, like, "You're going to make money off of this? There's going to be clients?"


I remember visiting my parents and I got on the plane, and my mom said, "Okay, let's just ask for a sign maybe," because she's learning spirituality at this point because she's also interested in what I'm doing. I was like, "Sure, Mom." I remember the plane landing and I got this email from a woman who is quite well known in L.A. at the time who was asking if I could come to her house. She lived in Madonna's old home. 


It was such a funny thing because my mom had asked for a sign if I could make money with this. It was the minute the plane landed, I ended up going to Madonna's house later that night.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Making money in this, yeah. 


Fleur Leussink: Maybe it's okay, maybe it's a sign that it's all going to work out. I feel like the first time that I felt successful was probably in the first year and a half, I started having waitlists, so a two-week waitlist, a three-week waitlist which now seems quite funny because it's a three-year waitlist. I think that moment was like, "Oh, okay. Give me a little security," because it doesn't mean every day I'm scrambling for clients. It was so nice because I never advertised; it was all word of mouth. Very quickly, it started making me feel like, "Maybe I am doing something well. Maybe this is sustainable." I think that was probably the first time when I had those waitlists started.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Really cool, a beautiful story,  also the first one, "I'm going to pass at Madonna's old house, Mom. I'll be fine."


Fleur Leussink: It's going to be okay. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yeah. Like you just said, you never advertised, never did something special, but what do you think are the drivers of your success?


Fleur Leussink: Well, first, I think I'm a good psychic medium, so there's that.


Steffy Roos du Maine: There's quality.


Fleur Leussink: There's the quality. I work really hard on this. I also think part of that may just be because, in the beginning as well, I just really wanted to understand it. I've spent a lot of hours that aren't business hours that aren't making money, so to speak, to understand how it works and why it works. I think this is why I've become a good teacher because I can explain—spent years analyzing it. If I did a reading, I would record the reading. I would listen back to it. I would say, "Okay, how is this working and where's that information? If that information wasn't right, did I misinterpret it? Was it completely wrong? If it was right, how could I have made it better?"


I feel like I've just spent years and years fine-tuning out of curiosity, out of love for it. I think the success in the teaching now is really because I know how to teach people how to listen to what they can't see with their physical eyes or hear with their physical ears because I've spent years analyzing it, I've spent years looking. 


Even if people don't want to be a psychic medium, that's fine; 99% percent of my students don't want to do that. Everybody has access to information about themselves, about the world that's helpful whether it's in your own business, about your own family. I mean, this is your birthright, you should pull up this information. You already have it; it's just about learning how to listen. I think this is probably why there's a success, it's this true curiosity and desire to just say, "I want to know more, take it one step further. What the world knows right now isn't enough for me. I want to know more."


Steffy Roos du Maine:` That's beautiful because you said like it's so much more, that 99% doesn't even want to be a medium that you teach, but also intuition is, I think, a big part of your book, your courses, your work, your teachings. Can you tell us a bit about intuition in a business or in work? How do you use it? How can you use it? What kinds of intuitions are there? 


Fleur Leussink: Yes, absolutely. Well, to cite the statistics out there, 80% of CEOs who had strong intuition markers in a quiz they took doubled their business within five years versus only 20% of CEOs who didn't have strong intuition markers, which is incredible to think.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yeah, it's bizarre.


Fleur Leussink: What does intuition mean? Intuition means you are listening to your inner voice over the external voice. You are making choices about what you feel, sense? No. Have an inkling about versus how other people are doing their business, how the world tells you to do their business, what you read in a book, what you heard on podcasts? Sure, all of that can influence, but if it doesn't check that box internally, somebody with a strong intuition doesn't do it. We know that this is true. 


If we look at people who are super successful, you're like, "Why them and not the guy who did the exact same thing? What's the difference?" Well, one was following their internal compass, and the other was just reacting to the external world. I think if you can find the internal compass, if you can find the internal power—the intuitive voice—then whatever it is that you are doing, you are maximizing the potential because all of your energy force, all of you is pointing your compass to what works for you. What works for you isn't going to work for anybody else. You could try, but you're going to be chasing that your entire life trying to get what somebody else has. It's not available outside of you. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's a beautiful way to look at intuition. I never realized that intuition speaks to everyone on a different radio frequency, in a different signal/signs, different box, but it's also not standard for everyone, so different.


Fleur Leussink: Absolutely, because all of our internal processes are unique. If you ask people, "Oh, when you dream..." –  I had such an interesting conversation actually the other day about this. We were having a discussion at dinner about how people dream, and the answers were so different. There was somebody who said, "In my dreams, often I'm walking around a city very visually." I was like, "I've never had a dream like that." That's crazy. 


Whereas in my dreams, I was thinking about – I was like, "Well, usually in my dreams, I'm in conversation with people. I'm talking the whole time. The whole dream, I'm just talking, talking, talking, which if you know me in life, it's not surprising at all. I thought these are such interesting internal processes, and it's so hard for us to know what is going on in anybody else. We just assume it's what's going on in us, but the intuition works much the same way. You have to find out what's your language. This is what I do with students: I teach them what their language is because you can find it, you have it, it already exists, you're just not aware of it. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: I think a lot of people—and maybe even me—always thought intuition is something you have or you don't have or you have it on a high level or low level, but it's something you can learn, and you teach it. It's wonderful. How do you teach it?


Fleur Leussink: I was going to say one thing I'd actually want to correct on that. It's not something you learn; it's something you uncover because you already have it. Your intuition, the bridge between energetic knowledge to rational knowledge, that exists. You're either getting out of the way to allow the information to flow or you're in the way. It doesn't mean you're learning to gather the information—you already have that—you are learning to allow it. It's an uncovering, it's an allowing, it's a surrendering to it, it's an understanding of it, but I actually don't teach you anything.


This is quite empowering because once you know that, it's not, "Oh, I have it or I don't have it." You already have it; it's your birthright. You come in with the full package. It's more of "Are you going to turn the radio on or you're just going to leave it off?"


Steffy Roos du Maine: That's a beautiful way to look at it. How did your intuition help you in building your business?


Fleur Leussink: Oh, in everything. I am so an advocate in my own life to walk the walk and talk the talk because, sure, okay, I'm a psychic medium, but I think intuition and psychic work still require a moment in which you listen to yourself. This is the thing: no matter how good you get at this, you still have to choose to say, "I'm going to listen to myself." That's also a practice of taking time to listen. 


For me now, any decision, I look at it from the vantage point of, okay, sure, maybe I've talked to the people in my team, but I also look at it as every decision has a couple of decision makers: one is my logic, so that's my rational thought and that counts, too, equal partner in all of this; it's my team members, they also get an equal voice, past experience, whatever it is, but an equal seat at the table is the intuition. I take a moment and I check in: what do I intuitively think about this? Whatever the answer is, I don't always necessarily say, "Well, let go of everything else; intuition wins." No, not necessarily but I let it speak. 


If I make a choice against it, I do so consciously, which is empowering to begin with. If I say, "Okay, this is my feeling, but I'm going to go against it for whatever reason." That's okay because I know that I'm going against it. It's not that I'm dismissing it, but I'm going against it. Maybe I choose differently tomorrow, but for me, listening to my intuition in business is about giving it a seat at the table. It doesn't run the show 100% of the time, but 50% of the time it does if not more, often more – 


Steffy Roos du Maine: That's beautiful. 


Fleur Leussink: – or it allows you to switch the logic up a little bit to say, "Okay, I really strongly feel it shouldn't be that. What I want to do intuitively just really doesn't work logically. Can we find somewhere in between?"


Steffy Roos du Maine: That's a really good way to look at it. It is a voice at the table. It's not that you always have to listen to it, but it might give you some insights or new information that you cannot see in the physical world, but is there anyhow?


Fleur Leussink: Exactly. Because intuition doesn't work with timelines; it often is the bigger picture, I think. You also have to realize, "Okay. Well, we do live in a chronological time and we do have team members who may not be able to see ten steps ahead with me. I also have to take in their voice, keep everybody steady. Is this a moment in which I think it's important enough to let the intuition just trailblaze and go or do I think it's a moment in which we have to veer towards what keeps the team happy and stable?" Even that is an intuitive choice.


I think I would say 80% of my decisions are intuitive at this point, but I always do treat it as a voice and not just like recklessly say, "All right, let's just run away with that."


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's really nice. You seem like a really good boss when I hear you talk. 


Fleur Leussink: Oh, thank you. I try, yeah.


Steffy Roos du Maine: You also said you felt more like an entrepreneur when you had a bigger team. How did you evolve as a person or what did you learn about yourself when you started working with a team?


Fleur Leussink: Well, COVID had me grow the team from one and an assistant to six now. This has been a really new thing for the last two years for me. I appreciate you saying this because I feel that it's been a whole new learning curve for me. I've read every book, listened to every podcast, I Brené Brown it, I  Jim Collins it. I looked everywhere to see what is the team and the business I want to build that feels heart centered. I don't want to build a business just to have a business. I want to make sure that if I prioritize the work we do for clients as making them feel empowered, making them feel whole, making them feel intuitive, then I want that for the people on my team, too. There has to be a way to marry that. There has to be a way to bring those together.


It's been trial and error and I will say it's been a lot of asking questions. Anytime I've met someone who has a business, I'm like, "Tell me, what are your suggestions?" I bring them questions or problems or things where I'm like, "This is the current situation, what would you do?" Little by little, it's allowed me to take my power back to say, "Okay, sure, the external world does it this way, but what do I feel?" It goes back to that intuition. I think that's what's been really powerful for me, that realization of, "Okay, I can gather information about what others have done, but who says that I have to have a business like anybody else's? Who decided what the best business is?" Maybe I use my intuition again for this, then I go back to me and say, "How do I want to run a business? What feels right for me? What is my intuition telling me?" 


This has been a back and forth that I've done over the last two years to go learn, learn, learn, learn, learn and then use that knowledge, I think, to allow the intuition to say, "This is the best thing for you."


Steffy Roos du Maine: Can you share something with us? From all your own experience but also from all the books you read, what are some takeaways you can share with us from running a business, having a team, and some of your insights?


Fleur Leussink: Yes. My biggest insight has been, for myself, to play it to my strengths. I don't like numbers. It's weird. I love math. I love anything to do with theoretical math, but bookkeeping and accounting. It's quite funny actually because my accountant – I'm a bookkeeper, whenever we do it, but 15 minutes in, I say, "I need a glass of wine," and they say, "You can't have it, okay? This is not how we're doing." I cannot do it. It's the number one most stressful activity I can think of. I'm like, "I never really drink wine. I can't do this." This is like, "Wow!" I feel like quite a baby when it comes to stuff like that. Somebody has to hold my hand through it. 


It's all about playing my strengths because that's not my strength. I feel my energy is better used if I put the people on the team that I know love that job. I don't want anyone to be in the job unless they love it; that's number one. I've also learned some hard entrepreneurial truths, which is if it's not the right person for the job, let them go. It is always better to go looking for the right person than it is to keep the wrong person just because it's difficult to go and find the right person. I'm really open and desiring of feedback. The other thing that I feel like has been a strength of the business so far is a really kind and compassionate work environment; that, for me, is number one.


Between me, between others, if I ever feel like the work environment doesn't allow open and honest communication, that, for me, would be a really big red flag of something that needs to change; that's a pillar for me.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Nice. Good insights and also, very recognizable in a lot of things you said, especially about the bookkeeping. "I love math but, oh, my God, bookkeeping." Nice.


Fleur Leussink: There are people that love it. "Let me do it."


Steffy Roos du Maine: I know, yeah, "I'm a bookkeeper, oh, my God!" Also the details, oh, my God, I hate details. What I love about you is that you started in your closet and now you're here, and you're owning it, and you have such a beautiful story. The book is also amazing. I love all of it. What I find hard is a lot of people want to do something spiritual, but what I hear is it's hard to ask for money for it. It's also hard to brand it because there are still some labels and being spiritual and making money of it. How has it been for you and how is it now? Can you maybe help people a bit about that? 


Fleur Leussink: Yeah. In the beginning, I stuck my head in the sand big time. I brought an assistant on to ask for money for me. I would pretend that every reading I did didn't really have an exchange of money. It's not the best way to do business perhaps, but I saw it as a huge block for myself and I thought, "Okay, reprogramming these belief systems is going to take a while, can't happen by tomorrow." If it can't happen by tomorrow, then somebody else can just ask for the money, and I will just show up to do the reading and we never ever, ever touch money. 


In some ways, I remember people telling me this was silly because I was losing a lot of money based off of PayPal percentages and transactions and whatnot, but for me, it was worth it. It was like I would rather have you – or taxes, like, I would rather have all of that money just transactionally electronic than to be touching it because, for me, I can see this is a really big block that I need to overcome. The best way for me to do it is to not have the reaction every time. It's just to say, "Okay, money somehow shows up in my account, that's great, and I get to do what I love. Done." 


This is a bit maybe of a spiritual way to do work. I found that every time it was time for me to raise my rates, I've always had maybe a conversation with the world, the universe if you will. I would find the weeks before it was time for me to raise my rates, people would start giving me way more money than I asked for, or would start like I would do the reading and then they would just hand me money afterwards. I'm like, "You already paid," they're like, "Yeah, I know, but it needs to be more." I'm like, "Oh, okay." It happened every time and it wouldn't happen for months, and then all of a sudden, it would happen five in a row, and I would say, "I hear you. The rates are going up."


Steffy Roos du Maine: Amazing.


Fleur Leussink: These were really interesting in the beginning, and then with time, I was able to change those belief patterns within myself and start to really see money as energy flow and also to realize, for me, the more that flows in, the more flows out. Right now, when I do a reading, yes, the price is high, but I also do low-income readings. I do free readings on my podcast. All of those are funded by the money that comes through from the paid clients and from classes. I feel like it's this way—without realizing it maybe—that person is also funding somebody else's experience. I don't want to stand in the way of that. I don't want to say, "Oh, no, let's not allow the flow of abundance."


I think I've really changed this way of thinking about it. For me, it's always helped when I see the good it can do and continues to do, and I have big dreams as to what I want to offer the world. Now it's almost become this opposite feeling where I'm like, "Yeah, let's make more so we can do more," and starting to shift this. It's less about me and more about let's just flow because why am I getting in the way? What good does that do for anyone?


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's so, like what you said, such an obstacle and it's hard to work on it. I love what you said that you knew that it wouldn't go as fast, so better to hire an assistant so you could already start making money instead of waiting-the-whole-process-for-the-money mindset.


Fleur Leussink: I'm sure you get a lot of female entrepreneurs that listen, correct?


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yes. 


Fleur Leussink: I have to give my number one tip that I love to give women entrepreneurs because it changed my life. Even if you cannot afford an assistant—because before, I got the assistant—pretend that you are an assistant on email because no one argues with the assistant about money. No one argues with the assistant about time. No one has that conversation with an assistant. If somebody emails you and says, "I'd like an appointment," and an "assistant" emails back, no one will argue, but if you email back, everyone will argue. That's my number one advice. If you cannot afford the assistant yet, just create a new email, fake assistant, whatever it is, it's you, okay, fine, whatever, especially if it's hard for you to ask for money. I think what's so hard about it is that if you get pushed a little bit, your resolve breaks. 


"This is my price," and the person says, "Oh, well, I don't have that," and then you're like, "Okay. Well, in that case, your story is very sad, so okay, don't worry about it. I'll do it for free. That's fine." Within one ask, that took that person one ask and you already completely caved and crumbled like, "Okay, good for you." You now are giving away, whatever, for free. It's something to think about to create this fake assistant because no one's going to question that. No one's going to stand in the way. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's a really good tip.


Fleur Leussink: In the beginning, it allows a little bit more of a buffer because maybe it's still hard to ask, but at least they will either say no, thank you or yes. They're not going to fight you for it. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: I love it. Thanks for sharing. It's really nice. I was thinking, "What do you do," but yeah. 


Fleur Leussink: All right. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Time goes so fast. Last question: what is your dream for your business, for your work because you were just saying, "I have big dreams?" Can you share some with us?


Fleur Leussink: Absolutely, I would love to give everybody the experience of a spiritual experience, whatever that looks like for them to have access to this. Other big dreams are to go back to the science aspect and to work with research, and to really open up this spiritual awareness from a research lens, so those, too. I'd like to teach, I'd like to have a large school, and I'd like to funnel some money into research. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Thanks. Awesome. Really nice.


Fleur Leussink: I'm excited.


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yeah, I'm going to follow everything. I listed all your books, your courses, of course, in the show notes so people can read them. Please do it. It's amazing. It will help you a lot. I think it helped me a lot.


Any last words of advice you want to share with us?


Fleur Leussink: Yeah, I always want to encourage people to take more time for themselves, just a break in the day because any of this work, intuition, listening to yourself, it's just not possible if we are busy 24/7 with phones, with emails, with all the to-dos. It doesn't have to be meditating; it can be a walk outside, it can be cooking a meal, but just to take a moment for yourself really is the starting point of all intuition.


Steffy Roos du Maine: It's hard when you work hard, but it's so necessary. 


Fleur Leussink: Absolutely. Yeah. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Thank you for your wisdom and sharings and openness. 


Fleur Leussink: You're so welcome. Thanks for having me. This was so fun. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Yeah, it was. Thanks. 


Fleur Leussink: Thank you. 


Steffy Roos du Maine: Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Mindful & Millionaire podcast. I hope you enjoyed and got inspired. You'll find all the interesting links and information in the show notes. Let's keep in touch on Instagram, steffyroosdumaine, and I'll be super grateful when you will rate, review or share this podcast.


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