Ep. 16 - Teen Talk - Let's Chat About Etiquette

This is for the parents of teens (or almost teens) of Type 1. Teenage years are hard enough with Type 1 Diabetes. The last thing we want to do is make it harder for our young people. Listen in as Jaimee & Hayley (mum of 2 boys with T1D) discuss the 9 points teenagers have told us they do or don't like hearing. The Behavioural Diabetes Institute in San Diego has put together these points, straight from the mouth of teens. This was a card put together to help teens & parents survive diabetes together. it does not that there is no need to follow all of these etiquette points, just give yourself a pat on the back if you are doing any of them! Hayley is doing amazing as her eldest hit the teens between recording & publishing this episode.

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Transcript

Jaimee 0:00

hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Diabetes in the Raw. Hayley's joining me tonight and we are literally doing it off the cusp because our guest didn't work out tonight. So we had some issues with tech, didn't we, Hayley?

Hayley 0:14

We sure did. And now Jamie's going to throw me under the bus and put me on the spot.

Jaimee 0:18

You know what, I think this will be a good one, just to have a bit of fun. I mean, it's a serious topic, but we're trying to make, I guess, it just a bit of a, I'm the diabetes educator, and not a parent of someone with, living with type 1, and Hayley's a parent of two boys, coming towards the teenage years, sort of,

Hayley 0:38

Rapidly. One will be a teenager in two weeks.

Jaimee 0:42

Wow, there you go. It's actually more relevant than I thought then.

Hayley 0:45

Exactly.

Jaimee 0:46

I remember them being like four and six. So, Um, so tonight I've got what's called Diabetes Etiquette and it's actually come from the Diabetes Behavioral Institute in San Diego. Behavioural Diabetes Institute it's called. And,, it's basically nine points that teenagers would like their parents to know. So I'm putting Hayley on the spot and going to read them out one by one and just keen to hear her thoughts and get her comments. Keeping in mind, I've literally just put her on the spot and she is one parent of two boys with diabetes. This is not for everyone. But the points have also come from teenagers. So don't hate on us for, um, for what it says. And Hayley, don't hate on me for what it says, okay? These are from teenagers perspectives.

Hayley 1:36

I'll just throw a question back to you, Jamie. That's all good.

Jaimee 1:38

Yeah, yeah. Good on you. I've worked a lot with teenagers. It's actually one of my favorite cohorts to work with. So, yeah, this will be really interesting. Right. Let's jump in.

Hayley 1:47

Let's do it.

Jaimee 1:47

All right. Number one. Stop trying to scare me with diabetes statistics. You've told me a million times that many years of high blood sugars can hurt me. I understand you are scared. And want the best for me, but bugging me about complications just makes me want to tune out. If I need motivation, it has to be something important to me right now, not way down the road. Hayley.

Hayley 2:09

Hmm. Okay. We haven't actually really done statistics or complications in any great detail. Very minor. We will just say prolonged highs are not good for the long term. And sometimes people ask me. What's more dangerous, high or low? And my answer is always a low is immediately dangerous. High is a long term. So whilst I will sometimes get a bit upset or concerned about prolonged highs, especially those stubborn ones that you can't seem to shift because I'm thinking, what is this going to be in the future? What's it going to mean in the future, future impacts? We don't really talk to them too much. And part of that is. I totally accept what, what those teenagers have said. It's not relevant to them here and now. As a teenager, what's going to happen in 10, 15, 20 years, it's just not relevant to them because their minds just don't turn to that. So I really hope that that is one I can follow and endorse. When the time's right, talk to them about what can happen if there's prolonged highs. I'm being really careful here, not to say things like mismanagement, not dealing with it. Um, but with the non adherence, that's right. So we will have the chat and we do in a very gentle, mild way. But that's one I really hope I can stick to. And I would 100% agree with that.

Jaimee 3:41

It's really, really cool that you think that way because having worked in that space for many, many years and I would, I will say specialized in that area and, you know, did a bit of research and that in a quiet, in a small group, you know, with 10 adolescents and really getting to know them and their families.

Hayley 3:58

Wow. The

Jaimee 3:58

Um, and then just doing adolescent clinics with an amazing pediatric endocrinologist, Dr. Martin DeBock, shout out, I will get him on here one day. He's come on one of the other podcasts I've done and he's, he's a wealth of knowledge, but he also really relates, to the adolescents and, and gives parents some really good advice to help through those. Really tough years. And that's, that's pretty much, you know, we have had parents that want to take their teens through the dialysis unit or, or go and see the amputations and things I'd literally seen, you know what, for some, it might work, but for the general. Teenage, adolescent population, it's not going to work and as you said, it's not relevant. So we just tend to talk about if you want that, that girl or that guy to like you and you want to be in a good mood, like Dr. Martin used to say, you know, you want to be at your best if that girl comes, sits next to you or that boy comes, sits next to you, so making it relevant to them. So you're onto it already.

Hayley 4:54

Hopefully.

Jaimee 4:55

Yeah, nice. Let's move on to number two.

Hayley 4:57

Number two.

Jaimee 4:58

When my blood sugars are high, don't assume I've done something stupid, although I may have. It may be hard to believe, but sometimes it really isn't my fault. Blood sugars can get wacky even when you do the right thing. Instead of grilling me about why they are high, which we may have no answer to, or what I might have done wrong, let's figure it out what to do now. I think you're also all over that one, hey?

Hayley 5:21

Well, yeah, and probably a little bit harder because we still do a bit more of the management, obviously, with the near 13 year old, he's doing a lot of his own at school. And I will admit, it's probably quite rare that I pick up his pump and have a look through his data and see how he's been that day or where he's been sitting at. I will ask him, how was your day? Any highs, any lows? Um, yeah, I, I, I think we're doing that now. I must admit my go to probably. Is going on in your body with the highs because we have had the more unexplained highs. so I again, these are all hopes of you're going to hear me say hope a lot tonight. I hope that that is something I can do. Take that moment to pause and not automatically assume they didn't bolus or they just gave an incorrect bolus. I really hope that I can maintain. What's, what's happening in your body? has it been a sight change day? Is it sensor reading out? and yes, yeah. Ask, ask them politely before assuming

Jaimee 6:34

Yes. And that's good. And you know, we have had to be devil's advocate and actually highlight sometimes to parents that, uh, I know you don't want to believe this, but this is potentially what's going on. And eventually it does come out, but yes, assuming or blaming, I mean, that happens. I don't get blamed as such, but if I've had a high level, a lot of my close friends and family will still say, what have you done there? You know, like you've done something and yes, it says in brackets, although I may have not always as, as we all, and probably our listeners know all too well.

Hayley 7:10

A conversation we've had a lot more so than this 13 year old seems to constantly have his head in the fridge or the cupboard at the moment growing boy can't keep them full. And we always repeat the same thing. We're not saying you can't have anything to eat. We're not saying you can't eat it. Just bolus. Keep an eye on what your numbers are doing. Make the judgment. Do you need to bowl us now? Do you need to bowl us later? And also try to talk about the more sensible food choices. Have something that will fill you up. Go and have a sandwich rather than three biscuits.

Jaimee 7:44

Yeah. Which is a conversation parents without kids with

Hayley 7:47

Exactly.

Jaimee 7:48

but it's just that little bit. Well, not a little bit. It's just the consequences are greater with, uh, different food choices, which I can relate to as well. We don't always make the best choice for our glucose levels, but we are also human. Um, Gonna jump on to number three. I don't know if we'll get through all nine or if we'll just do half today and half on another one. We'll see how we go for time. Number three, please acknowledge when I'm doing something right, not just when I've messed up. You may not notice it, but taking care of diabetes is a lot of hard work. Well, Hayley, I know you noticed that. It is

Hayley 8:23

I can't say I've noticed it.

Jaimee 8:24

not fun. It literally says, it is not fun. I may not be perfect, but there are a lot of things I am doing right every day just to stay alive. A pat on the back for a job well done would be awesome.

Hayley 8:36

Yeah, look, wholeheartedly endorse that one. and probably I am a bit prone to forgetting that 90% of the time everything's being done right. We're, like I say, we're getting to a stage of moving to A little bit more self management, teaching, putting sites in and that kind of thing. but we have had occasions with the older one who might be out at a friend's or at a party or something, and we're not there with them. You know, we'd be on the age now where it's okay to have mom and dad. Or mum or dad lurking around while you're at the party. So, we always say, just text, just send a photo, if you need some help with bolusing. And then you might not hear. And now, my initial thought is, I just want a message just to check. Or, did you need help with bolus? But I've had to learn to not. And then when they come home, we just have a, you know, How was your day? How was your night? Whatever it was. How did your levels go? Oh, what did you have to eat? Oh, nice, nice. And you're okay with bolusing. Yep. And then it's sometimes of look, look at that. Your numbers are just where we want them to be. You did. Well,

Jaimee 9:52

That actually leads on beautifully to the next one. Number four, don't always be in my face about diabetes, but don't leave me completely alone with it either. I know this is a tough balance. I don't want to be constantly hassled about what I should be doing. I need to handle diabetes more on my own still though. I hate to admit it. I am glad to know you've got my back. Let's figure out where you can trust me to do things on my own and where I could still use your involvement. It literally just, you hit the nail on the head.

Hayley 10:18

And I think that's really individual in each family for everybody's comfort levels. Um, different between the two Children. So like our youngest one would be going off to school camp towards the end of the year. He is nearly a year younger than his brother was when he went, just because of the times of the year they're born at. I will have way more anxiety with the younger one going, because just not as proactive. in management, too busy, not as interested, whatever, doesn't like being told what to do. Um, that one for me is the really hard one that the handing over all control, but we have started having those conversations that we will always be here for you to come and ask us if you want us to always follow you on our phones, we can do that. not being in the face of making all about diabetes. Yeah, that's. That's damn hard sometimes.

Jaimee 11:16

be extremely

Hayley 11:17

for me particularly around activities and sport, because you want it to be about them participating and having fun. But you also want to make them safe. So just a really little one here. The youngest one has just started doing some discus throwing and has done quite well for his first year. came first in his school sports, went to the next level, came first, and we had the third level today. I put him off on shot put at his school sports by going up and talking to him about it free. So we decided I wasn't allowed to talk to him before he went to the zone one, uh, the next region, the area zone. But I could see he'd been sitting at 17 with the apprehension and the nervousness, and then he just went into free fall. And he's standing there lining up, ready to throw. And I, not actually his actual throw, but in the lineup. And I see that he was now down to about eight with three arrows down. And I was like, ah, I know he doesn't want to talk to me, but I need, I do need to make this about diabetes and I think this is a justified one. And I had that little tussle and I walked up so sort of meek and mild trying to make myself really small. Um, and it was just like, he looked at me with a real glare

Jaimee 12:33

Will you dress this like a bush or something?

Hayley 12:36

I should have had some twigs and everything around me in disguise, incognito. But I just went up quietly behind him and registered to scowl and just said, I'm not, I'm not going to talk about your throwing. Thank you. You've got three arrows down. Would you like a lolly? And he just gave me a shake of his head and I just backed off and backed away. And so I have to trust him that he feels okay in himself, knowing how much it meant to him being out there to do it. But that, that was a really hard one to bite that down and then know that he was then going to be out of range and I couldn't see his numbers. What's because we, he, he, we'd agreed he could throw pump off. So really, really hard to. sometimes not make it about diabetes, yeah, lots of tongue biting

Jaimee 13:23

were in a pretty tough position there, because if you didn't go any crash low and then couldn't perform, you would have been in trouble, so you're in a

Hayley 13:29

you can't, you can't win either way. Can't we neither way?

Jaimee 13:33

that's a very tough situation. I'm sure a lot of parents could probably relate to similar scenarios. Um, number five, make the effort to understand diabetes from my point of view. Don't have diabetes. You can't possibly know what I'm going through. The reality is that diabetes is unfair, inconvenient, a lot of work, and it sucks. No need to cheer me up or to tell me that it could have all been worse. You don't have to fix it. Instead, just listen when I need to vent or complain.

Hayley 14:03

I think personally, hopefully we do that one quite well, given they were so young. I've said to you before, no, I don't know what it's like to have diabetes because I don't physically have it. I know what it's like from our point of view, watching your child go through it, wishing you could take it away. Um, but things like. I do know what it's like to have a site put on because we both, Hubby and I have put a site on sometimes, haven't done a sense that they were always too valuable for waste, but, Yeah, and we can go, Oh, we got a site on and we pretend we're dialing up on a pump, but we're not actually, and it doesn't actually matter what we do,

Jaimee 14:43

No, and I've had colleagues that have had worn pumps and carb counted and stuff like that. And, you know, honestly, they've a lot of the time haven't lasted more than 24 hours or even 12 hours. But the truth is, even when you're doing all that, you don't get the true effect if you don't count your carbs effectively.

Hayley 14:58

that's right.

Jaimee 14:59

So if the pump light's not working you don't end up high with ketones

Hayley 15:02

That's it. We're not going to have,

Jaimee 15:04

can do.

Hayley 15:05

we're not going to have the physical reaction, um, or anything like that. But one thing I might say on the flip side to that is no, I don't know what it's like to actually have it, but I do know what it's like. What you have it and and how that can just break you apart some days the mental drain, psychological, emotional or the physical when you're up and down through the night. Yep.

Jaimee 15:36

So on the flip side I can say I don't, I couldn't possibly truly understand what you go through because I would 100% prefer me to have it than my kids

Hayley 15:48

And.

Jaimee 15:49

are snoring in the background and interrupting us right now.

Hayley 15:53

I cannot tell you how many times we would have said, if we could take this from you and have it ourself, you'd do it in a heartbeat.

Jaimee 16:03

Yeah 100%. I think

Hayley 16:05

no questions, no questions. But yeah, it goes back and look, I'm very much a believer. I've used it myself in situations off. I'm not asking you to fix something. I'm not asking you to even give me an answer. I'm not asking for a response. I just need to say this. I just want to get it out there. So I feel that a lot myself with situation. So I hope that our boys can be, I just need to vent. You know, I'm not asking you to come up with a solution or anything else. Just got to say this.

Jaimee 16:40

Yeah, yeah, I've got to say, and it's not just because you're my friend, you, you, I know you do live a lot of these, so it's, it's really good and obviously teenage years are a whole nother level because, you know, they will probably go through stages of anger and, you know,

Hayley 16:57

exactly. Uh, we haven't hit those things yet. We, you know, we might've had a couple of. my site fell off. When did it come off? Oh, half an hour ago. Well, perhaps you could have told us then, you know, we might've had some small things, but we're not hitting the constant. We're not hitting the, don't want anything to be about diabetes. Don't want to acknowledge it. Don't want to have to deal with it. So, you know, everything I'm saying now is we haven't truly hit too many of those things. So for anybody out there listening, absolutely no judgment. Um, on anybody and how they deal with any of these situations. But I think, yeah, I actually find that really, really heartfelt. And it really is,

Jaimee 17:46

Yeah.

Hayley 17:47

really is talking to me those things that those teenagers have said. I can, I can just,

Jaimee 17:53

I'm not sure how many

Hayley 17:54

Feel them.

Jaimee 17:55

interviewed or whatever, but, um, yeah, like when I read them, I was like, that's powerful stuff, especially when you, when you talk about it, like we are, because it's probably coming up, not, not one thing at a time like this, it might sort of just come up in clinic. Oh, yeah. One of them, you know, but we're literally going through scenarios.

Hayley 18:16

Mm.

Jaimee 18:17

Yeah, sorry, probably going to make it hard for you to sleep tonight, to

Hayley 18:20

No, no, no. Hit me with the next one.

Jaimee 18:23

The next one, I'm trying to see where we're up to. Number six, don't tell everyone about my diabetes. I can relate to this as a teenager. I remember it very well. Don't tell everyone about my diabetes, especially not during the first minute you meet them. Do you have any idea how embarrassing this is? I know you mean well, but my goal is to fit in, not stick out. Everybody does, everybody does not need to know. Give me a chance to let me tell people about diabetes when I am ready to do so. And I remember healthcare professionals telling me I had to tell school, I had to tell everyone. And obviously safety wise, school needs to know, your employer probably needs to know, but does Everyone in your class need to know, do you have to stand up the front and some kids get diagnosed and want to stand up the front and announce it while others like myself are mortified at that. And I just want my three closest friends to know and my brother, and that is it. And I remember that so well. So sorry, I jumped in there. What's your, what's your,

Hayley 19:21

I, I think, I think it's great to hear that. That, I think, is the one I will fall down on most.

Jaimee 19:28

yeah. Okay.

Hayley 19:28

And I, and I'm not sure for me whether I say it, um, as a safety concern, driven statement. Um, yeah. That, that's the one that I probably would have to go, you know what, I, I have got to respect. Their point of view, and it's not my place I've got to back off. So I think that's the one I will fall down on more.

Jaimee 19:57

Okay. Well, it's something to take away from. I mean, you don't have much work to do from the first five. So if you're only at number six, all right, number seven, recognize that I am never going to be perfect with my diabetes care, no matter how much you want this. I know it can make you nervous when you see high blood sugar readings or notice that I haven't made my best food choices, but let's get real. No one can manage diabetes perfectly. I'll do my best and yes, maybe I need to do even better, but I also need to have a life.

Hayley 20:27

Well, really flippantly, I go, don't sweat it because we haven't achieved perfection. Um, our A1Cs be lower? Yeah, of course they could. Could our timing range?

Jaimee 20:39

you guys do amazing. You don't, you have mentioned them on the podcast. You don't need to, but

Hayley 20:43

You know, could, could we, we don't have days now without, Oh, we have days where we have repeated highs, stubborn highs, we have lows, we're not perfect. And I really hope I never, ever give the impression to our boys that we want them to be perfect. And what is perfect anyway, because different teams have different views. Trying to think there was something I read the other day and I was like, wow, that scares me a little. I think it was the incidence um, long term health complications where you have an above normal A1c and a normal being somebody who does have a functioning pancreas. And I was like, oh my gosh, are you telling me now that I'm looking at this timing range and I'm looking at this A1c and thinking this is good. And now we've. Now I've got to think about complications. But anyway, that's, that's a big sidetrack.

Jaimee 21:39

that off air because I feel like, I'm not sure what level you were told, but anyway, we'll, we'll talk about it.

Hayley 21:44

yeah. Perfection. No. And there are some areas in my life where I might strive for perfection, but I can say hand on heart, I would place a much higher standard on myself in managing their diabetes. Then I will, then I will place on them.

Jaimee 22:02

I would agree with that

Hayley 22:03

Hmm.

Jaimee 22:03

I've known you for so long. Number, number eight. We're nearly there. Don't limit my activities based on diabetes. If you do, people may see me as fragile, sick, or think something is wrong with me. I can do anything those without diabetes can do, though it may require some creative problem solving. Yes.

Hayley 22:22

Okay.

Jaimee 22:23

Sports, sleepovers, travelling and parties are all things that can be done safely. Support me in figuring out how to make it all possible.

Hayley 22:30

Yeah, I'm going to say, I think we do do that pretty well, that may stem from them having had it from such a young age that, you know, you can't stop them doing anything. So what I can say is, there have perhaps been times when we've allowed them to take part in activities when Um, professional recommendation would probably be not so I can think of a few instances I have been at the diving blocks at swimming pool with a can of Fanta. So they're just about to balance on the blocks and it's quite have some of this and then had had the dispensation to be stood there so that the minute they touched at the end of the race, we were feeding more, um,, juice because perhaps. It maybe wasn't professionally recommended that they swim and same with football. So the youngest one plays football and it was very, very early on in his playing, maybe even first game and the levels were high. We're talking 20. And we knew that taking off pump wasn't the most beneficial. But on the flip side to that was, if we don't let him play because of diabetes, we going to end up with the resentment issues there? So it is that balance and it's, and this, everybody, you talk to your team, you make your own decisions. We made a judgment call then that we were going to let him play. and we, because they played quarters then, you know, maybe. Six or eight minute quarters, something like that. We finger pricked at each one and checked and gave him some insulin, I think, at part of the time. But equally, we've been running along the sideline with a popper, lollies. So when you, again, we've said to the team manager, we're not trying to interfere, but just as he runs past us, we're going to get him to have a quick, because that's then allowed him to play.

Jaimee 24:29

Yeah. Yeah, and I think healthcare professionals always have the, the legal side of things in the back of their mind as

Hayley 24:36

oh, definitely.

Jaimee 24:37

what we want to say sometimes versus what we can say, you know, even regarding getting levels down, exercising to get levels down, you know, it can be used as a method to get your level down, but it needs to be done safely. And

Hayley 24:50

that's right.

Jaimee 24:50

to advise someone to do that, you've got to be so careful. It's just, as a parent, you can make those decisions. You know, your children best, you know, the environment.

Hayley 24:58

And that's one thing I would say, Jamie, is that I would never put that on to school or a coach or a trainer. That is our decision, our decision alone, and I wouldn't expect anybody else. Make that decision. I'd be you follow the plan and that's what you do. So if we're not around to be able to make that call for you, you do what you know is is safe and correct under their plan. and yeah, we do have those chats. We've a couple of times we have had to say no, there's been ketones or something, but we've had that discussion of hey, this is why. As soon as that's all cleared, you can hop in, you can go do it, whatever the activity is, but yeah, I think that's something we are managing quite well, with a fair bit of anxiety on our part, but the trade off is their enjoyment, their being able to go out there and do, do everything like everyone else. And then we're just a little duck whose legs are going 100 miles an hour under the water, but looking nice and calm and serene on the surface.

Jaimee 26:07

You do a beautiful job, you do a beautiful job. And even the last one I don't think is, um, you know, it's, it's don't be the food police. Yes, I make choices that you don't like and sometimes aren't so smart, but trying to control what I eat isn't going to help. Instead I'll just do my best to avoid you when I eat. Remember that good diabetes control is doable even if you don't eat healthy stuff all of the time.

Hayley 26:32

Look, we've probably had... It's on here. Lifelong issues myself with weight. So I am not the best place to be the judgment place on what people eat. All we try and talk to our boys about is, um, sensible choices. If you've had X, do you think it's wise to have Y now? Or if you had a, then B would be better to eat with that, you know, whatever it is. And that's again, a very, very individual thing. They may grow up and decide they want to be. Gluten free, dairy free, they may want to be vegan, whatever it is, and that will be their choice. So long as they're balanced and getting nutrition, that's what we need.

Jaimee 27:16

Yeah. And that, and that's just the way of the world. People, everyone at some point tries something different, whether you call it a diet or not, whatever it is, you know, it's just part of life, isn't it? Trailing different foods and

Hayley 27:28

that's right. And we haven't had issues of sneaking food. I know people often talk about that in forums, oh my child has snuck food. Um, our mantra is just, if you eat it, you bowl us.

Jaimee 27:42

which, which allows for that, you know, openness and not sneaking, because that's a real thing for sure.

Hayley 27:48

I love that that, um, sometimes at school, particular teachers, if they've done something, they will hand out a lolly. And I love now that both of my boys will say, I got such and such lolly from this teacher. I just put in whatever grams and I'm like, great, because I can always fix you up. Later, if you haven't quite got it right and you need more insulin, we can always deal with that. But they're in that moment. They're just like everyone else. They don't have to put it in their lunchbox and bring it home to have later.

Jaimee 28:20

And I can say, hand on heart, if it were, if my children had type one, I would struggle big time with, with doing what you do, you know. Oh, there's my alarm to say I need to eat. Um,

Hayley 28:31

Well, and we

Jaimee 28:32

like it would be, it would be a struggle for me. So, yeah, I do admire. I know you, I know it creates massive anxiety, some of this stuff, but you, I think seven out of nine, you're doing a very good job there. And so you carry that through to the teens and

Hayley 28:48

Oh, let's hope

Jaimee 28:49

yeah. Yeah. Thank

Hayley 28:52

how they are. Sorry, it will be how they are as teenagers too. And we'll have to respond and adjust to them.

Jaimee 28:58

Oh, 100%. Hormones do amazing things, don't they?

Hayley 29:02

Oh, yes. Well, being at the other end of the spectrum on hormones. I'm experiencing that too. That could be great. Teenage and menopause hormones mixed together. Let's see how we go.

Jaimee 29:13

Yeah, at least you don't have a daughter in the mix there.

Hayley 29:16

I know. Sorry, listeners, if that's too much information.

Jaimee 29:20

Tune out now.

Hayley 29:21

Yeah.

Jaimee 29:22

All right, you're a legend for letting me put you on the spot like that, but I think it'll be an interesting one, a bit, bit of a fun one with some, certainly some seriousness in there as well. But yeah, interesting, something I haven't sort of looked closely at before, so it was nice to chat about it and get your perspective as well.

Hayley 29:36

And doesn't hurt to be reminded of it from the person with diabetes point of view.

Jaimee 29:42

Yes. Did I do a good job of pretending to be a teenager?

Hayley 29:46

You could have looked a bit more sulky and yeah,

Jaimee 29:50

No, it took, it

Hayley 29:51

a bit more.

Jaimee 29:52

A few of those took me back. So yeah, it was good.

Hayley 29:55

And I think there may be, possibly, would we maybe see some differences in those who were diagnosed very young and those who were diagnosed closer to teenage years? I don't know.

Jaimee 30:05

Definitely. Like, you know, Mark, we had on a couple of weeks ago as a guest, um, he sort of said, Oh, I would hate to have been diagnosed in my teenage years and, um, and sort of grateful that he wasn't. But I look at it in that, well, I had 14 years without it. So it's, it's, it's never a good time is what I always say. But yeah.

Hayley 30:23

right.

Jaimee 30:25

All right. Gonna let you go. It's nine o'clock on a Tuesday night. So sign out and, um, we'll try and get our guest on next time.

Hayley 30:32

Let's hope so. Thanks, Jamie.

Jaimee 30:33

Thanks Hayley. Bye.