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Host Mike Roth opens Season 8 of Villages Vitality: Senior Life Unscripted with guests Mike Summers and Jim Mahoney, two blood cancer survivors, discussing diagnosis, treatment, recovery, and what it takes to live well while aging. Summers was diagnosed with leukemia at 73 after a severe hematoma and two-week hospitalization, then faced major recovery challenges and fear over an $18,000/month drug until finding the same medication for $35/month via Cost Plus Drugs. Mahoney, diagnosed at 83 after years of monitoring smoldering myeloma, describes infusion and pill regimens largely covered by his insurance, staying highly active through competitive softball and gym training, and later receiving immunotherapy after melanoma surgery. Together they explore resilience, diminished physical capacity, purpose, caregiving, long-term goals, and their book, The Long Season, aimed at helping patients and families.
Chapters
00:00 Season 8 kickoff & show mission
01:05 Meet today’s guests: Mike Summers & Jim Mahoney
02:10 Why this episode: blood cancer survival, aging, resilience
03:05 Mike Summers’ diagnosis at 73 and where he is now
05:10 Jim Mahoney’s path: smoldering myeloma to diagnosis at 83
07:00 Mike’s crisis: hematoma, hospital stay, and leukemia discovery
10:10 Initial leukemia treatment and stabilizing in the hospital
12:05 Jim’s “no symptoms” mindset and deciding to see oncology
14:40 Cancer types, modern therapies, and early reassurance
17:10 The shocking cost of treatment—and the Cost Plus Drugs solution
21:30 Jim’s infusion + Revlimid regimen and how his coverage worked
24:40 Making the extra years “good years”: fitness, softball, and recovery work
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Welcome to Season eight of Village's Vitality Life, senior's Life unscripted. In this new season, we talk to leaders of clubs and interesting folks who live in and around The Villages. We also talk to people who have information vital to seniors. You will get perspectives of what is happening in and around The Villages, Florida. In addition, we will add more information for all seniors.
Mike Roth:This is Mike Roth on Villages Vitality, senior Life Unscripted. I'm here today with Mike Summers and Jim Mahoney. Guys, thanks for joining me.
Michael Summers:Nice to be here, Mike.
Mike Roth:Good, great. Thanks. Today. We're talking with two blood cancer survivors, and we're going to look into some broader questions about aging, longevity, diminished physical capacity, resilience, and What it takes to continue in life after a battle of cancer. Michael's, I'll start with you. When you got a blood cancer diagnosis. And what age was that for you?
Michael Summers:When I was 71. Mike Roth: 71. Michael Summers: And
Mike Roth:Snuck in there. And how old are you now?
Michael Summers:I am 75. Mike Roth: Two years ago? Yes.
Mike Roth:Okay. And Jim. For you. How old were you? How did you feel when you got that diagnosis? Jim Mahoney: I was 83. 83.
Jim Mahoney:However, I had been diagnosed with smoldering myeloma four years earlier. Recommended to go to Moffitt. Chose not to, so we kept an eye on it.
Mike Roth:Okay. So
Jim Mahoney:finally I was told by my primary care person that I needed to see an oncologist. Okay. It was time.
Mike Roth:Okay. So did you go to Moffitt?
Jim Mahoney:No.
Mike Roth:Oh, you were treated here in The Villages?
Jim Mahoney:Yes.
Mike Roth:Okay.
Jim Mahoney:With the same doctor that Mike had was being treated with
Mike Roth:here in The Villages?
Jim Mahoney:Yes.
Mike Roth:And were you guys happy with the outcomes?
Michael Summers:I dunno, it's hard to be happy with the outcome of cancer.
Mike Roth:Of course. You're still alive.
Michael Summers:I'm still alive. We are still alive and kicking the and hence the name of our book. The Long Season. Yes. We're hanging in there. The way I found out about it, as I say, it sort of snuck in for me actually. I had a massive hematoma in my back, which landed me in the hospital. And in the middle of that, which was excruciatingly painful. I found out that I had Leukemia.
Mike Roth:Leukemia.
Michael Summers:It had, it came as a total surprise. The experience of having cancer wasn't one that I was able to really get my hands around and until after the first week in the hospital just dealing with the issue. Of staying alive and having blood removed from my chest cavity that had seeped in. So that took a week, and then I was transferred to the oncology ward. And it wasn't really until I got there that I was able to settle down a bit and to really begin to understand what was happening to me. So I was initially afraid because just of everything I was going through On the way to the hospital. When that wore off, then I began to deal with the reality of what it would look like going forward. It was about two and a half years ago. Two
Mike Roth:How long were you in the hospital? Michael Summers: I was in The first week was taking care of the thoracic issue. And then the second week was in the oncology unit. They wouldn't release me. Until the blood had drained from my chest and I was stable. Sure. And what was the treatment for leukemia that you were given?
Michael Summers:There's an immediate treatment that they do to get your white blood cell count down. And that's all via drugs. And it's done primarily intravenously. They have to keep your electrolytes balanced, and that means things like magnesium and other medicines that don't necessarily. Attack the, the white blood cell count, but it just keeps your system stable.
Mike Roth:And Jim, why did you tell others is your story?
Jim Mahoney:I really didn't believe that I had cancer.
Mike Roth:Really?
Jim Mahoney:I had no pain. I had no symptoms other than a kind of temporary doctor who recommended I go see an oncologist and they did a bone marrow test, and then I got the word not even directly from the doctor that he recommended, I go down to Moffitt. And have it checked out. This didn't seem like a big deal, a recommendation? No. I have no symptoms. No, I'm not going to get involved. Besides, I'm Superman, I am not bothered by these kinds of things. I don't worry. When I finally got a primary care person she was monitoring it, checking my low. White blood cells. And for four years we just proceeded. I was playing softball, very active, going to the gym, very fit. And she kept tracking my count. And finally one day I got a call that she wanted to see me, and it was at that point. And she said , I think it's time to see an oncologist. And that was the strongest words that I heard. I did not panic. I did not get upset because she told me, you're in great shape. We've caught it early. You are, you have nothing to worry about. And so that's when I proceeded there to call Mike help.
Mike Roth:So you two knew each other before.
Michael Summers:We did, we had been in the same writing for Kids Club for several years.
Mike Roth:Jim, in, in your case, was it also Leukemia?
Jim Mahoney:Mine was initially thought to be multiple myeloma, and then it was confirmed by a sample from my spine.
Mike Roth:Now medicine gives people a lot more years to live. Okay. What does it take to make those good years guys?
Michael Summers:I'm sure my answer's gonna be different than Superman's here.
Mike Roth:Not often. We have Superman on the show.
Michael Summers:I know.
Jim Mahoney:Let me adjust my cape.
Michael Summers:The, in my case ever since I was about 50, I had heart problems and I was in a very high stress. A job. So I had several bouts of dealing with serious complications. And I was used to the drill, if you will of coming close to having to deal with mortality. And thinking about what if. So that wasn't a stranger to me when I found out about the cancer. I was reassured by the doctors and in particular Dr. Acevedo at the oncology clinic that we both go to that it was treatable with medicine. And a medicine that had been around for an awful long time.
Mike Roth:Okay.
Michael Summers:Called Glevit And that was great then I I had found out about that medicine while I was in the hospital and my wife had done some looking around and checking with the insurance company and so forth. And we found out that it was $18,000 a month, for the medicine. This introduced a whole new layer of fear in me. That frankly eclipsed the fear of the disease itself because I had been told, you'll get through this. Just take the medicine. It's just a pill every day. They call it chemotherapy. Chemotherapy. You don't know what that means, but for me. It had turned into a pill a day. And you can manage it and we will help you. I got to Dr. Acevedo's office. My wife and I were sitting there. And he went through all of this initially and told me, don't worry. And I said, yeah, doc. But I said, 18,000 a month. And we had checked, and our insurance would reduce that to 8,000 a month. You don't have to do a lot of mathematics to divide the number of dollars you have in your, life. You've accumulated and what you have in your house, divide it by $8,000 a month, and that yields a number of how long you can last on this pill before you go broke. So that was the biggest fear. Dr. Acevedo turned to me and he said. Let me show you something. He turned his screen around and he said, I want to show you a website, and it's called Cost Plus Drugs. So he opened up the website and there was my pill. The other form of it called Imatinib and it was $35 a month.
Mike Roth:versus $18,000 a month
Michael Summers:or eight if I, through the insurance. $35 a month.
Mike Roth:And it's the same drug?
Michael Summers:Exactly. The same drug.
Mike Roth:Just got a different name.
Michael Summers:Yep.
Mike Roth:And that's the Mark Cuban site, is it?
Michael Summers:That's Mark Cuban site.
Mike Roth:Wow.
Michael Summers:He does that because he has developed an approach. Where he saw all these huge costs and once drugs are developed as alternatives to the brand names, then the sellers of those drugs, I would say primarily the middlemen are keeping the prices very high, even though the actual cost, because they don't have to pay. Royalties are much lower.
Mike Roth:They do have to pay royalties for the first 17 years.
Michael Summers:Yes.
Mike Roth:Copyright.
Michael Summers:Imatinib is a very old, or Glevit in this case is a very old drug. It's been around for a long time. Yes.
Mike Roth:I thought that it's only the drugs that they advertise on tv.
Michael Summers:So for some bizarre reason, I lucked out and got the right kind of leukemia that could be treatable by this particular drug.
Mike Roth:Fantastic.
Michael Summers:So that go, having gone through that put me in a place where the world was my oyster. Then I could get back to thinking about getting healthy again.
Mike Roth:And how about you, Jim?
Jim Mahoney:The complete opposite because of my school district retirement from Northeast, I didn't have to pay a penny. the first thing that I did was take an infusion, which was not chemotherapy. Originally, I think it was once or twice a week, Darzalex. it took a couple of hours initially and then. After several times, it was down to maybe two hours, but the Darzalex cost $21,000. And then I was to take and still take a Revlimid pill, 21 days taking it, and seven days off that $16,000 a month. I haven't paid a penny for any of it.
Mike Roth:And so your insurance plans covered all those drugs?
Jim Mahoney:I'm not sure who's paying.
Mike Roth:Okay.
Jim Mahoney:I don't ask.
Mike Roth:Okay.
Michael Summers:I'm on Medicare.
Mike Roth:Med Medicare? Yes.
Michael Summers:It is part.
Mike Roth:F plan is the hospitalization and doctors. The drug plan is part D.
Michael Summers:I'm on traditional Medicare. And then I have an AARP add-on,
Mike Roth:Yes.
Michael Summers:because I had heart problems when I retired and was eligible, I just grabbed. The best, most expensive Cadillac plan I could find.
Mike Roth:Sure, sure.
Michael Summers:I did not care what it cost and at the time it was very low. So I have a good plan. But that doesn't cover the drugs. That's just all the hospitalization.
Mike Roth:That's the Medicare Part D plan, which is separate premium,
Michael Summers:yes.
Mike Roth:And Jim, your plan, you don't have that, but
Jim Mahoney:I have Medicare and then I have New York State plan for my school district. A drug plan and pays part of the Medicare bill that isn't covered by Medicare.
Mike Roth:Okay. Let's take a short break now, and listen to a Alzheimer's from Dr. Craig Curtis.
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Mike Roth:Thank you, Dr. Curtis. Now these medicines you're taking are giving you more years. How are you making those good years? Let's start with you, Jim. You were in softball before
Jim Mahoney:I,
Mike Roth:as a player,
Jim Mahoney:I have not stopped playing softball. I go to batting three days a week and I play competitively. Two days a week in Division five. I've always been an athlete. I coached for many years at the high school and college level, a variety of sports, and I've just continued on as someone who's deeply involved in athletics. I'm currently managing a team at the present time We're still undefeated. So I'm looking forward to tomorrow's game. I go to the gym two or three times a week and work out specifically for my softball skills concentrating on those muscles and parts of the body that would aid me most. And I identify as an athlete.
Mike Roth:You identify yourself as a cancer survivor.
Jim Mahoney:However, I have had a second cancer. I had a melanoma December 23rd this past year down at Moffitt, a big section of my top of my head was removed. And I had my more concerning time with that. Cancer than with the multiple myeloma. And as a result, I have to take a Keytruda shot in my stomach once every three weeks because they detected a small spot just. Beside the area that they removed the cancer cell. So this is a preventative measure. The Keytruda is not an issue at all. There are no side effects. It does not in hinder me in any way in my athletic pursuits.
Mike Roth:How about for you, Michael?
Michael Summers:The initial recovery was really difficult. Unlike Jim, I was in very bad shape when I got out of the hospital. It was literally weeks to stand up to be able to walk five feet, 10 feet. I was in the house for months. I had nurses come in. Several times a week initially. To walk me through various exercises in order to regain balance, strength, and so forth. So progress was measured way differently. It was feet and inches. Literally at the beginning it was the ability to stand up for a minute without holding onto something. No My wife was right at my side all the time. She had spent many years taking care of her mother who had eventually died of Alzheimer's. And so she was good. She was really good. So there was no need for that. But eventually I got to the point where I was able to get back into the gym and to start working on my body in a way that felt a lot more normal to me.
Mike Roth:Now it sounds like you needed a lot of support yes. How many months was that?
Michael Summers:that was about six months.
Mike Roth:Six months long time.
Michael Summers:Five or six months before I was back in the gym.
Mike Roth:Okay. So now you're back to what percentage of the Mike before cancer?
Michael Summers:I would say maybe 80%.
Mike Roth:80%.
Michael Summers:And I've had other afflictions since then. As you get older you learn that it's a long season.
Mike Roth:It's a long season.
Michael Summers:It's a long season. So right now I'm battling some sciatica which hobbles me a bit.
Mike Roth:Yeah,
Michael Summers:it can. And I'm working my way back into the gym once again.
Mike Roth:Okay. Now, which gym do you go to?
Michael Summers:I go to Genesis down
Mike Roth:in Brownwood and you, Jim?
Jim Mahoney:Planet Fitness. The one on 441 across from Walmart?
Mike Roth:I guess you must like it.
Jim Mahoney:It's has everything that I need. It has lots and lots of machines, stations. I don't go there to socialize. I go there to
Mike Roth:work out
Jim Mahoney:on.
Mike Roth:Do you have a trainer?
Jim Mahoney:No.
Mike Roth:Michael, do you have a trainer?
Michael Summers:I do. Jennifer Miller.
Mike Roth:Okay, good. Now you've each been successful to some degree in recovering from the cancer that you have. How has that changed your outlook on life?
Jim Mahoney:I don't think it's changed my outlook very much because I did not face death. I never thought that I was in danger. My doctor told me that I was never gonna die of multiple myeloma, and then when the melanoma came. They said, oh, it's immunotherapy and that can be done here in The Villages. So the Keytruda shot, which has no side effects is just a half hour or so outta my life. I'm basically good with the cancer.
Mike Roth:Okay.
Jim Mahoney:However, there are, as Mike indicated, other things. There's a neuropathy factor. There's the mobility factor. The hips don't move as fast. I can't get to a ground ball as easily. Ball that I hit doesn't go quite as far as it used to go. So I have to adjust my mentality to aging and what am I going to do? How am I going to deal with that decline?
Mike Roth:Now what does staying active really mean to you? To you, Michael? First.
Michael Summers:Staying active to me means feeling good when I get up in the morning and being ready to do something that makes me feel like I'm using my time. I understand now, I think more than I ever have that I'm at the last stage of my life. And so that has led me to think about how I want to use my time and what I want to do with that. So when I get up in the morning, I like to think, okay, how am I gonna be a good husband? How am I gonna help my wife take care of her? Very old dog. Okay. I'm gonna be nice to that dog.
Mike Roth:That's what I would call short-term planning.
Michael Summers:It is short-term planning,
Mike Roth:Have you ever done any long-term planning?
Michael Summers:Oh my gosh, I've done long-term planning my whole life.
Mike Roth:So for being a long-term planner,
Michael Summers:right
Mike Roth:then?
Michael Summers:Yes.
Mike Roth:What are you doing specifically for long-term planning in your life for the next two to five years?
Michael Summers:Yes. Guess I do, but it's not what I would call what I used to think a bucket list was.
Mike Roth:Okay.
Michael Summers:Whenever anybody answered that question for me, it always sounded like, I want to go here and see this. I want to go there and see that. that's not for me.
Mike Roth:What's on your list?
Michael Summers:My bucket list is I want to leave something behind that expresses who I am in a way that reflects. How I lived and what I learned, good or bad.
Mike Roth:Okay. And is that in your book?
Michael Summers:Part of that's in the book, the beginning of that. And I have to give credit to Jim for this because I did not wanna write this book.
Mike Roth:No,
Michael Summers:I did not wanna participate.
Mike Roth:So Superman beat you up?
Michael Summers:Superman said, what do you have to hide? And I said, I'm not used to sharing these kinds of things. That's not the way I was brought up. And you kept your mouth shut and you smiled. When Jim said, we gotta write this down, and I said, I don't know. I don't know if I feel good about that. And he bugged me about it for quite a while. Finally got me to write a little bit about it because we do submissions in our writing for kids class.
Mike Roth:Okay.
Michael Summers:But in any case, I've come to the conclusion that I want to leave behind something. And I'm working now on a memoir that actually goes the next step beyond this book to meet that goal. And I'd say that's my bucket list. Everything after that is frankly secondary. That and keeping my wife happy.
Mike Roth:Okay.
Jim Mahoney:it's interesting because our diagnoses were, Three or four months apart. So Mike goes first, then I get it. I call him, I get the same doctor that he gets. We're parallel, but he's not yet showing up at our writing for kids session because he's still hurting. And so I decide, I come across a book. Called The Mission is Remission by Pat Williams. He was the general manager of their Orlando Magic, and he had written many books and I was intrigued by this book, and I kept taking notes on it and I said to myself, he wrote this book about 12, 13 years ago. Everything is different. He got a stem cell transplant. We don't do stem cell transplants anymore because we have medicine. So I said maybe I could write an updated version of multiple myeloma treatment.
Mike Roth:Now. did the stem cell treatment work for him or did it make him worse?
Jim Mahoney:As a matter of fact, I have two examples of softball players. Who also had stem cell transplants. One guy was in the hospital the day of nine 11 getting his, and he was given two years to live, so that's 25 years ago. And he's a vibrant softball player now.
Mike Roth:Yeah. Were they his own stem cells?
Jim Mahoney:And so when I asked Dr. Acevedo about it. He looked at his assistant and said stem cells, when was the last time that we sent anybody to get a stem cell transplant? So I started writing my story. Particularly about the initial diagnosis, and I submitted it to our group, Mike wasn't there. And at first they were very reluctant to give what we call help. They thought it was too sensitive a topic. I, on the other hand say, Hey, here I am. I wanna tell everybody. I wanna tell people. What multiple myeloma is, and I want them to know and not feel sorry for me, be able to communicate it to somebody else. About 30 years ago in a school assembly, a speaker came in to us and he said words that stayed with me. To this day, we are here to serve others. When you serve others. Then you achieve happiness. And so this book is an attempt to help others.
Mike Roth:Okay. That's short term. What's your long-term goal?
Jim Mahoney:My long term goal is to continue helping others. I have a very active family. Matter of fact, we just had a Mahoney Madness. Down here in July, 45 members came down here, down south in Eastport. I have two children & wife Sally living here in The Villages and have a very active life with them. And I want to continue to participate in that life. Continue to write. I'm writing a novel about a softball player who is facing an aging problem and the ups and downs that he is going through. With the question, when is enough? When is it time to stop? And I've come so far to the conclusion that it's never time to stop. You can always do some variation, whether it's. Managing umpiring, helping another coach, but it's crucial that we have social contact with friends and interact with them in ways that are genuine and not just passing superficial things that we can talk about our needs and we can help each other. Those are my long term goals and desires and I don't want to give any of them up.
Mike Roth:Mike, what do you consider success at old age?
Michael Summers:For me, success is all about how I view the world, how I can enjoy it while I have it.
Mike Roth:Good. And for you, Jim, what do you consider success in old age?
Jim Mahoney:Be very active and vibrant. I want to be up on current events. I want to be reading current books. I want to be participating in an active intellectual life as well as a physical life.
Mike Roth:Good. Jim, what do you think of regenerative medicine Peptides
Jim Mahoney:I am a hundred percent behind those things.
Mike Roth:Do you use peptides yourself?
Jim Mahoney:No, I don't yet, but
Mike Roth:Any of your softball players use it?
Jim Mahoney:I don't know.
Mike Roth:Okay. Michael, same question for you.
Michael Summers:I think regenerative medicine is in your head,
Mike Roth:in your head,
Michael Summers:in your head until it's proven to the point where there is. Evidence that generally accepts it.
Mike Roth:There are very few double blind studies in regeneration.
Michael Summers:Not that's true. I would say there's a lot of stuff on the horizon that gives us a lot of potential hope. Will we last long enough to see it? Maybe not. It's moving rapidly and so
Jim Mahoney:I am very interested in stem cell research. Stem cells were originally recommended for my multiple myeloma. I just went to a clinic last week talking about it, and I'm very close to using it.
Mike Roth:Yeah. I am not a stem cell believer right now. To be legal in America, stem cells have to be harvested from human placentas from women who never got a COVID shot. Therefore, the supply is exceptionally low, the legal supply a b, it's been shown that some stem cells can encourage cancers that were benign in your body. There are people who are offering stem cells from unregulated sources coming from Mexico, and you don't know whether you get any human stem cells or goat stem cells. And unlike a, a pharmaceutical, you know what's in the bottle, the vile or the infusion bag that they're gonna give you.
Jim Mahoney:Right?
Mike Roth:That's measured, what's in there. With stem cells, you don't know what you're getting. So that's a problem I have with stem cells. So this is our book, the long season, and it's on Amazon. Okay, you can just go for the long season search for the long season right now. Because we know that there are probably some people who are going to look at this. Maybe they've just gotten the bad news, if you will, or the news, and they're looking for something to not. Be prescriptive, but rather something that just tells the story of two guys who went through something at a more advanced stage, which means there's more stress generally than younger people. But who are using modern therapies and two different approaches to life. The one thing I'd like to say also is that it's also available on Kindle and for a while, understanding that some people could be in terrible circumstances, we are making that available for just $2.99.
Jim Mahoney:And I would add with that book, it's not just for the cancer patient, but the caregivers and the family who wanna learn something about it.
Mike Roth:Guys, I want to thank you for being on the show. Jim?
Jim Mahoney:I think we, first of all, it's been delightful. this turned out to be a very enjoyable occasion due to you two, your personality. It was great
Michael Summers:I just wanted to say I probably would like to thank my wife. And Mary Jo, thank you.
Mike Roth:Thanks for being with us today.
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