Can Anyone Become Psychic? Dr. Patrick Scott on Intuition, Huna & Channeling

What if your psychic gifts aren’t random… but something you can actually learn to trust?

In this episode, we sit down with our teacher, mentor, and Huna Kumu, Dr. Patrick Scott, for one of the most fascinating conversations we’ve ever had on Honest Feedback. Dr. Scott is a licensed clinical social worker, clinical hypnotherapist, researcher, teacher, and the founder of a the HeadsUp mental health clinic in Las Vegas. He also happens to be the person people call when things get spiritually spicy.

We talk about psychic development, remote viewing, channeling, spiritual protection, exorcisms, Huna, and what it really means to become a clear channel. Kumu Patrick shares how he went from identifying as a scientist and academic to awakening his intuitive abilities through years of Huna practice, near-death experiences, healing work, and thousands of real-life sessions.

A listener asks a very honest question: Is it bad that I channel more easily when I’ve had wine, weed, mushrooms, or other substances?

We also get into the darker side of spiritual work: how to know whether what you’re connecting with is “of the light,” why permission matters, how to protect yourself energetically, and what to do if a child is seeing or speaking to an “imaginary friend.”

This episode is for the spiritually curious, the intuitive, the skeptical-but-open, the spooky babes, the healers, the practitioners, and anyone who has ever wondered, “Am I making this up… or am I actually receiving something?”

In this episode, we explore:

• How Dr. Patrick Scott moved from Western mental health into Huna, psychic development, and spiritual healing
• Why your conscious mind may be the thing blocking your intuitive gifts
• The difference between being a clear channel and letting your ego interfere
• Whether substances help or hinder psychic development
• How to start trusting what you receive without needing to be “right”
• Why spiritual protection and permission matter
• How to know whether an energy, entity, or message is of the light
• What parents can do when their children see spirits or have imaginary friends
• Why fear can make people more vulnerable to lower vibrational energy
• How healers and practitioners can stay clean, grounded, and protected

Connect with Dr. Patrick Scott

Learn more about Dr. Patrick Scott, Huna trainings, Realm Travel, STFU Psychic Development, and his upcoming classes at:

drpatrickscott.com

Honest Feedback was created by Brittney King and Lisset King.

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Transcript

Why Ego Ruins A Reading

Dr. Patrick Scott 0:00

A couple things. When I know nothing about the person, it's best. When I have no agenda, I don't want anything for them. When I'm not related to them, when I have no connection to them whatsoever, the readings are much more accurate because I my ego isn't involved. I can't know. And I have to just be transparent that whatever's coming through is for them. It's not my opinion. It's not my judgment. It's not my ego. It's not my wisdom. It's not me. And that's, I think, the whole thing is about when you get masterful at this and you can set yourself aside. Welcome to

Meet A Doctor Who Channels

Dr. Patrick Scott 0:40

Honest Feedback, the podcast where deep truth meets bold transformation. We've created this podcast for spirit-led individuals just like you. Seekers of truth, personal growth, and meaningful connection. Whether you're navigating life's big questions, craving more joy and fulfillment, or simply looking for honest, relatable conversations, you're in the right place. Through personal stories, actionable advice, and transformative insights, our ultimate goal is to empower you to create a life that's overflowing with pleasure, purpose, and authenticity. We know you're capable of incredible things. So let's make it happen together. Welcome back to another episode of Honest Feedback Podcast. We are so happy to be here today with someone super special. Are you guys into like paranormal, supernatural, psychic development? All of the things remote viewing. Yeah, maybe an exorcism or two. Where am I spooky people in a little spooky, I feel like, is a womanite generalization, but we have someone here who I'm so proud to call a teature, a mentor, a gumid Dr. Kumu Patrick Skummett King. Or is it Kumu Dr. Patrick Scum? I think you called him King. Oh my god, is he related to us? Kumu Dr. Patrick Skumm here with us today. This man is an incredible human being. He is a Kumu in our lineage of the Omana, the Hawaiian energy work that Lescent and I both belong to. He is also a doctor, um, like a doctor doctor. He runs the heads up clinic in Las Vegas. They serve over 10,000. They serve over 80,000, but over 80,000 people, I believe. Let's say they serve a whole lot of people. They serve a whole lot of, maybe 10,000 was how many is in the MER. So he did um all of the clinical research on mental emotional release. Like he is, he's a baddie. Absolutely a baddie. Absolutely a baddie. And I'm so honored to have him on today because he has helped us so much with our psychic development, with expanding um what I even believed was possible with energy. Yeah, he is our go-to mentor. Uh, he has helped us navigate some really spicy, scary situations. Uh, the man can tap anything from any place. The remote viewing capability is unbelievable. Um, to know him is to love him, and he's hilarious. And he's hilarious. And also, fun fact, can we say this? Yeah. Maybe, maybe we'll have him share this. Okay. But who's to say? Somebody really high up, a very high up institution, calls him when they need help. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's incredible. He's incredible. Um, the man, the myth, the legend. Dr. Patrick Scott. Let's call him. Hi, Kumu. Hello. Hello, man. We are so excited to have you on our show. Um, as we said before, this is Dr. Patrick Scott, and we lovingly refer to him as Kumu because he is our Kumu and our teacher in this lineage. Thank you so much for being here with us today.

Science Meets Huna Healing

Dr. Patrick Scott 4:05

It's my pleasure. It's such an honor to be here with you. In your own words, how do you serve in the world? What are you a doctor of? Well, yeah, well, I'm uh I I carry a lot of hats. I have a I'm a social worker by training, really. I'm an LCSW, which is licensed clinical social worker. I started my life as a music teacher in high school and uh waited on a lot of tables and bartended a lot and um realized that uh probably in my late 20s, I wanted to do more in mental health. So I did a whole mental health thing. And then in my, I don't know, some years later decided to get a uh PhD in clinical hypnotherapy. And I thought I I found hypnosis really, really interesting. So today I own and run a very large clinic in southern Nevada in Las Vegas. We have 45,000 active patients. It's called Heads Up, it's where I am now, and uh it's very it now to me, because I can do whatever I want, uh I I straddle the um new age, you know, kind of esoteric realm, and then I'm in the in the Western medical realm. I'm on uh medical school faculties, and I teach for a lot of universities. And so the how I serve is this clinic, which would be my part-time fun hobby. And then my other, you know, contribution really is as a teacher of the Hawaiian chalmanistic studies called Huna, that where we've met, and uh called Kumu, uh, which is uh just means teacher, but it's a little more than teacher in the in like the martial arts. Uh if you've done studied or looked at martial arts at all, it'd be like the the sensei, you know, the person who's it's more of an honorific title. And there are kumuus of lots of things. There's kumus of hula and kumus of uh plant-based medicine and kumuus of lomi lomi or the massage, and I happen to be a kumu of huna, which is the esoteric teachings of the ancient Hawaiians, which for me blends Eastern and Western. And it's the most, uh, as we get into my story, it it really I stumbled across it uh later in life, and it really is the most complete system of healing tools that I found, and certainly it saved my life. So I'm pretty, and I know you are pretty uh happy about Huna and happy to teach it. We're big fans, obviously. Yeah, and you know, we we're a call-in show, so we got some really great questions about psychic development in particular. So a little bit about your story. How did you get from doctor to psychic development, dude? Well, so you know, I'm a scientist, and some of you know that I did the uh research on MER, uh, published a study on mental emotional release therapy, uh, presented the paper to 10,000 psychiatrists at the International Psychiatric Congress. And uh very much uh I think I was probably a psychic child, as I think most kids are, and then uh it was either beat out of me, not literally, but you know, when you become six, seven, eight years old and you start talking about imaginary friends or whatever, kids are learned, you know, we we learn not to listen to that. And so I went very much, as most kids get, I don't think I was unique at all. I think I just went to school and learned that it's all about thinking and it's all about content, it's all about information. And so my abilities, to the extent I had them, just lay dormant for many decades. And then when I started studying HUNA, um I was very much uh I was approaching it from a very academic, because that's what I do. I'm an academic and I'm a college professor. I approach everything from a scientific, very linear point of view. And so I thought HUNA was interesting and it was a collection of tools, and I thought very academically I can use it in my practice, I can use it for myself. And then after about a year, year and a half of studying it, I started noticing things, and it freaked me out at first. I started, you know, and I was jealous. A lot of people are attracted to HUNA who already are tapped in, psychics, channels, mediums, uh, people who do uh energy work, Reiki practitioners, massage therapists, acupuncturists, physicians of all kinds, chiropractors, nutritionists, so on. And they're attracted to those teachings. And so I was jealous I had FOMO because I would see my classmates, you know, oh, I see the aura and I see the energy and the lit. And I was so jealous because I didn't see shit. I didn't see anything. I didn't feel anything. And I was like, you know, I thought, I don't know. I probably had, I don't know what I did. I was just I kept going, you know, I kept showing up and I didn't have an expectation that anything would change for me. I just felt like, you know, my identity was I'm a I'm a researcher, I'm a scientist, I'm a a clinician, you know, and and I don't I had to let go of this idea that somehow I wanted to be like them, you know. And then long about, I think about a year and a half in, I started having experiences. And I can't tell you really why. All I know is that I I think now as we commit to a spiritual path, as we raise our vibration, as the planet raises its vibration, we start to be in touch with vibrational energies that are are always around us and that we ignore, you

From Skeptic To Seeing Energy

Dr. Patrick Scott 9:20

know, that we just stuff. And so um this would have been probably in around 2009 or so, I started seeing energy and I started feeling energy. And where I did where I felt at first was in my body. I would notice that I would have correspondence with a patient or whatever, and I didn't say anything because I was very much in the closet among other closets I had been in. And so so I didn't say anything, but I started noticing. And then sub every six months I would go back to Hawaii and study, you know, go whatever the next level was. And then I had a series of um near-death experiences, which I think sort of solidified uh a spiritual path and really kind of woke me up, and I needed waking up. I was uh burning the candle at both ends, and so I had a a uh I had a back injury that I started with that that was healed through these teachings. Then I had a ski accident at Royal Anna and I hadn't had a uh and flatlined and had had a near-death experience, it's a long story. And then I got cancer in 2017, stage four cancer, and I at each one of these really uh I'm underplaying it, huge health scares. I used these tools, and then I noticed that as I applied the tools, I started having more uh energetic and awareness, more psychic ability, more ability to read things, to know things. And it to be frank, it freaked me out at first. You know, I got a lot of consultation because it really freaked me out because I we all think we're crazy, you know. Do you see what I'm seeing? And they're like, no, I don't see that. And so um now here, many years later, I've come made peace with um the abilities and made peace with my role as, and I work, I'm gonna say probably 60% of the actual clinical work I do now is in the psychic development realm. So people come to me for readings, I do you know, past life regression and I do all sorts of things and completely at ease with it now. Um not doesn't freak me out, uh freaks other people out when I read things that they didn't know they needed. Uh but um I and I believe it has to do with um as much being open and um letting go of that old story that I can't. Because what would happen, because I I've had the fortune of having a large uh student population and a large uh clinical population that I work with, the students and the patients that I have would know that I'm going to the witch doctor school, or they call it the Hogwarts Magic School, or they call it, you know, whatever. Didn't you just go to that thing? And I remember coming back from level three where I learned advanced depossession exorcism. And I'm I had the great fortune where a long-standing patient of mine would come in and they'd say, Well, I think I'm possessed. And I would look at them and say, Congratulations. And what why are you sharing that with me? Well, didn't you just go to that Hogwarts magic school? Don't you have a little booklet on the shelf that you can pull down? How did you know? Well, I work with psychics and mediums and trans channelers who are very psychic. So they would challenge me at every step to, and really they had more faith in me than I did. They they figured whatever their issue was, I could help them. I would say, what makes you think I can help you with that? And they'd say, Go grab the the binder, we get these little these books, you know, and I'd pull it off and they'd say, you know, we're advanced epossession, and we'd do it, and it would work. And so thousands of repetitions later with all sorts of weird weird, weird requests. Weird requests. You know, uh, I would, I would the the pattern was they would have faith in me way more than I would have faith in me. They would say, This is my specific request. Don't you have some Puna thing that you can do for that? I don't know. And we'd figure it out together, and then I would realize that I could, you know, just through sheer, I don't know, experimentation. And thankfully I had patients that were like, just yeah, they were so desperate, like I don't care. Nobody else, I can't talk to anybody else about this crap. You know, so it's boom, you know, I keep looking around like somebody's gonna rescue me, and and it was me. And so, and so, you know, thousands of repetitions later, I'm that's what I do. I do a lot of uh psychic work, a lot of psychic development work, a lot of remote viewing, a lot of I don't know, lots of things. We can get into whatever questions your folks have about it. Yeah, well, I mean, guys, we're here for a treat. Um, it feels like my point is with everybody is that if I can do this, you all can do it. Because I get a lot of people who do have who have that story. If I'm a brick and I can't, and I'm so dense and I'm so in my head, well, welcome to the club. And if I really believe this, and I am not, this is not false modesty, this is not humility. This is if I can do this coming from where I came from, you all can do this. So shut up. You can do it too. Yes. And you know, it's great is that our caller is actually someone in our community, and we were we were present when her gifts got activated, and we're like, Do we have the teacher for you? So she has questions and you know she's tiptoeing in. But yeah, yeah, already it's prolific. So we're gonna play her question. Okay, having a hard time wording what I want to ask. Like, I find that like it's so much easier for me to channel if I have like a couple glasses of wine or smoked

Near Death Experiences And Awakening

Dr. Patrick Scott 14:45

a bowl or both or like mushrooms or something like that. Like my brain is such a control freak, and like the analytical mind is just in there trying to like analyze everything, or like, what are my hands doing? What is my face doing? And I even do that too, even with having a couple glasses of wine. I'm just nothing like hammered out of my mind, kind of a thing. But like I just feel like I need a little extra like relaxation boost to like look into the channeling. Otherwise, I don't really like myself. And then when control wants to like be in control of everything, I'm controlled the narrative. And so I'm just over here, like like when I'm completely sober, I have a really hard time connecting to it. And if I do, like I'm always like, oh, is it, is it? I don't know, I don't know. But like I'm I'm always channel clearly, like if I've had some kind of learning or some enhancement. I mean, I guess my question is, is that bad? Can I continue doing it that way? That's kind of what's been working. Um, how do I learn how to um be more connected without the enhancement? It's a great question. And so, yes, absolutely. So the idea uh some of you know, you two know Ktumu Tomoy, and she had me teach a psychic development class in Japan. I'm going back to Japan this year to do an advanced class and to do a bunch of people, and they're wild about this stuff. And so I said to the class, I said, okay, today understand that your conscious mind is overrated. It's it's we think it's in control, we think it's the be-all end-all that the conscious mind you know runs the show, and it technically does run the show. The repository of everything that's ever happened to us is the unconscious mind. We learned that in NLP and psychology, right? That all of your trauma is in there, all of your emotions are in there, and then we have this thing called the higher self, which is a soul uh connection based on your whatever your your uh uh affiliation spiritual affiliation is. And so I said to the class, okay, today we're going to set aside the conscious mind. And they go, got it, they're very dutiful. I said, okay, and we're gonna set aside the unconscious mind because it's distractive. Your emotions are distracting, your physical body's distracting, your rumination's distracting, your trauma's distracting, and we're gonna set aside the higher self because reading is not about you. And Tomoy looks at me with her big eyes, and you know Tamoy, and she goes, What's left? She was terrified. She goes, What's what's left if there's no conscious, why there's no unconscious, why there's no higher self? I said, Well, what's left is you as a clear, clean channel. And so the med the self-medicating, and I've done it too, masterful, the more wine I've had. Masterful, you know, because we're set essentially the wine, the the substance is helping us get out of our head. It's helping us, you know, set aside our ego and our opinion and all of our judgment and all of our self-criticism. And am I going to get it wrong? And what if I hurt them? And trust me, I've been there. And so the good news is that now I love wine and I love substances and I love weed and I love cannabis. Um, and as you I do, I have no judgment whatsoever. Uh, and because I do this for a living and I do it during the day and I get paid for it, uh, I can't really be drunk. I mean, I think I could. I own the business. I just so you know, I'm sitting in a substance abuse treatment facility right now that I own. So it would be a bit of a mixed message if the doctor comes in blasted. So the good news

Channeling With Wine Or Weed

Dr. Patrick Scott 18:35

is that your ability to set aside your ego, your opinion, your judgment, all that conscious mind, unconscious mind stuff is really getting you out of the way with the goal of being a clear, clean channel. You're just like an antenna. And so, and I don't mean that, I mean that literally. You're just an antenna. The challenge is to be able to translate through your voice what's coming through. And I find there's a law of diminishing returns. If I'm too drunk or too stoned or whatever, I can't even form sentences, so it's useless, right? And so there is a learning curve there where you learn techniques to do that without that. Now, I am not suggesting don't drink and don't use substances. My my fantasy prayer for you is that you will continue to develop your skills without the need for the substances uh to do it. Um, and I think that's what happens with repetition is you start trusting yourself. Now, the hard part about psychic readings is we like to be right. We like to know that we're saying correct things. And the challenge is, and I certainly have thousands of examples of I have found that when I'm too in a couple things. When I know nothing about the person, it's best. When I have no agenda, I don't want anything for them. When I'm not related to them, when I have no connection to them whatsoever, the readings are much more accurate because I my ego isn't involved. I can't know. And I have to just be transparent that whatever's coming through is for them. It's not my opinion, it's not my judgment, it's not my ego, it's not my wisdom, it's not me. And that's, I think the whole thing is about when you get masterful at this and you can set yourself aside. And I've gotten feedback from classes that I run that I have a very distinctive facial look when I'm channeling that's different than what you're getting right now. And it is, and it now it's so practiced that it's it's in a split second. I used to, when I first started doing readings, I would have to be in trance. I would not I would channel like Edgar Casey, meaning I would have to be down in trance in order for me, and then stuff would come through. In my team, my tribe would ask questions, but I would have to be in such an an altered state of consciousness, not even with the substance, just in in hypnotic trance. That but now, after decades, uh I can read pretty quickly. But it's it's it is a learned behavior. I think the hardest thing is that staying open to possibilities and not needing to know, and knowing that the ambiguity and uncertainty of whatever's coming through is meant for them. It's not for you. And the and the the discipline is keeping yourself out of it. You know, and so I will, and I teach a lot of classes now where uh I do a whole class called Realm Travel now. That's a new class where I just sit in a room for four hours, four or five hours and read. I read the group, I read the individuals, they they write up this is funny. Yeah. So the first class, it was the first class, it was in San Diego a few months ago, and I said, Okay. Okay, let's do us it's three segments, three 90-minute segments. First segment, hi, how are you? This is me. I'll do some readings of the group randomly, and then we'll do um uh you know kind of introduction to psychic stuff, just so you understand kind of what this is and what it isn't. Take a break. Second uh segment is a group reading, meaning I do hoo, which is one of our Hawaiian techniques to release baggage, and I just read the group in terms of what's going on for them. Third segment, then is they write a three by five card with a question. And I, as you know, you know me very well, I'm pretty irreverent and I'm pretty sarcastic. Yeah. And and I didn't make a caveat. I said, any question is fair game, any question that you want. And if you've watched John Edward or Sylvia Brown or um Matt Frazier or any of the psychics, uh Tyler Henry, each of them has a certain way that they work with groups, and I didn't put any boundaries. That was everything. Question number one, does Jesus love me? Yes. Question number two, am I on path? Yes. Question number three, is my dead mother okay? Yes, question, and so on. And I didn't mean to be, and I could see some of the faces going, what? That's it, just yes? Well, yeah, Jesus loves you. You're fine, you know. So in the second, and I I didn't leave it at there. I I went deeper with these individuals, but they were like, that's it, my mom's okay. Well, let's talk to her, let's find out, you know, let's bring up she's not. But yes, your mom's fine, you know. And so um this the second class that I did a few weeks ago in San Diego, I said, okay, listen carefully. Do not ask me if Jesus loves you. Do not ask me if you're on path. From the point of view of the other side, we're all on path. As much as it sucks, someday we chose the suck, we chose these people, we chose these relationships, we are on path. So to say, are you on path? Now you may be face down in the ditch next to the path, and they all laughed. But it will help you get back up onto the path. But please ask a specific question. I mean, I want to know, you know, did Aunt Tilly put the will in the dresser behind the, you know, I need specific. And then when I guided them with specific, specific questions, then that guided them more into real specific things that they wanted to know. And those specific things came through. Um, and so to your to your friend, to your student, your person, your community, stick with it. I know that as you, and I'll tap in with permission, uh, that you're very gifted and that you you you are riding the wave that I wrote of this very critical, very analytical, very judgmental, very righteous brain, very um opinionated, and then this unexplainable gift that you have. And so I would say hang in there. What you'll notice if you can back off on the substance and be in now, what's important too, though, is surround yourself with safe people. You know, don't I luckily knock on wood, I've never been challenged, meaning nobody has. I recall a news show years ago where Sylvia Brown, Larry King, it was Larry King live, and he's been dead for years now, but basically it was a bunch of my teachers who I studied with, uh Brian Weiss and Sylvia Brown and Deepak Chopra and Wayne Dyer and James von Prague and you know others, some psychic, some not. And there was the skeptics, and it was a bloodbath. I mean, it was just so contentious and so not pleasant. And so I don't I don't put myself in situations where I'm going to knowingly want that level of animosity or or skepticism. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. Um, and and the few times I've had some uh skeptics or whatever, I will do a very specific reading that will just leave them in tears. Not that I intend to leave them in tears, but that they will get a convincer very clearly. I don't need to prove anything. And so with your your friend, I just say keep going and keep practicing and have fun. And don't need to know. You're not gonna know. And I think that's the hardest thing. You're not you're not gonna know if you're right, and it's not about being right. But don't set yourself up to have to prove anything to anyone. A reading is a gift. The challenge for us is in the translation. You're gonna get impressions, they're gonna mean something to you. Now, sometimes the we can talk at length about where the information is coming from. Is it Akashic Records? Is it dead relatives, is it dead pets, is it spirit guides, is it God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, pick your religion. There's a number of sources where information comes through. Um the I think the competency, if you will, is just learning how to translate what you're getting into a meaningful way for uh for others. Uh, and that just takes practice. With when you're drunk or stoned or high or whatever, you just blurt it out, and it's a it's a fun party-like atmosphere,

Boundaries In Altered States

Dr. Patrick Scott 27:25

and you and you probably don't even care, you know, that kind of thing. And so the challenge is just to not care and just to come out with it anyway. So I hope that helps. But she's very, very gifted. Yes, she she she is. She well, she has another question that's kind of on the other side of this exact same question, where she was like, What she goes, I'm also someone who does enjoy altered states, like kind of getting blonde. And then she goes, and some how do you create healthy boundaries? Where she's like, Sometimes when I'm in those states, I I'm so much more open and receptive that I unexpectedly slip into channeling or receiving communication. And then she gets worried that like she might connect to something darker, not of the light. And so she right. And so she was like, How do you set yourself up for that? And she was like, is there a way to like turn it on and off? Um, when she is in these altered states, and yeah, how do you how do you know her other question? How do you know the thing that you're talking to is actually the thing that it says it is? Well, you don't. And so this is really important. Um the the in I work with the Catholic Church. I work, you know, literally, I work literally doing exorcisms because there's no exorcist here in in Las Vegas. And what we notice statistically around, and the the Archdiocese in the Vatican keeps very good statistics, and I'm really impressed with, and I'm not Catholic, I I've uh I'm not even Christian, and but I I've been working very, well, not very closely, I've had referrals, and and I've been studying um there's some really great YouTubers that are ex actual exorcists for the Catholic Church, they keep really great records, um and they talk at length about what how does one attract a demon, how what behaviors or life conditions are that attract the darkness. And they are, I'm sorry, addicts. Because if you think about vibrationally speaking, people who are addicted to lots of substances or alcohol have a very low vibration, and so they're susceptible to you know whatever comes in. Uh you and the exorcists' warnings, the ones that I watch on YouTube, say, you know, if you're using a Ouija board, don't use a Ouija board. That's calling in all sorts of stuff. You know, you can use a pendulum, but understand, and this is, I think, the important marker for me. Anything that I call in, I always say out loud, I'm open only to the light. I'm not open to anything other than the light. And remember that we in the physical have are very powerful. I'm very confident that I can handle anything that comes through, and I've handled some pretty gnarly stuff. I'm not worried about it. Yeah, I'm not worried about it. But to someone who's kind of coming up and wanting to develop these things, the double-edged sword of the substances is in an altered state of consciousness when you're blotto, when you're, you know, you can't, you're not uh firing on all cylinders, and you can't know what's coming in. Now, what I will say is if you are open to the light, there was a book series years ago uh called Conversations with God. The theory is Neil Donald Walsh, homeless, angry at God, shaking his fist at God, why have why hast thou forsaken me? And all of a sudden he gets a vision or starts writing on a legal pad, and you can look him up. And um God starts talking to him. And the whole book series is God talking to him. Now skeptics would say that's just Neil, you know, it's just Neil writing fiction, it's just good fiction. But if you look at the veracity of the content of those books, it's fascinating. Yeah. And so when you get a reading and some information's coming through, if it's of the light, it's gonna have a particular quality to it. If it's of the dark, it's gonna have a particular quality to it. Here it heads up at the clinic, we want to make the distinction between what's a spiritual crisis and what's schizophrenia. You know, someone who's paranoid, who's schizophrenic, who needs to be on meds, the content of the material, the delusion, the hallucination is going to be very persecutory, very dark, very evil, telling them to do evil things, saying bad things about them, that they're losers and all that kind of stuff. And so you can benchmark through recordings and through having your friends listen to this stuff, if it's dark and if it's negative, and if it's critical, and if it's self-deprecating or persecutory, or telling you to kill things and kill people and steal and do bad things, lower vibrational things, then chances are you're tapping into some dark energy. If the stuff that's coming through is of the light, you can tell, people are smart. Yeah, you know. And I think that people expect, I think people get really bored. The other side is not sentimental. And it and people want Aunt Tilly to come through and go, Oh, I miss you so much. She doesn't. She's awesome, she's great. She's in the bunny unicorn, you know, place where everything's really awesome. Yeah. She will say, now the reason why the the Dilly Departed don't come to us often is because of our grief. They don't want to continually remind us that they've passed on, including, you know, children that have passed prematurely and pets that have passed prematurely. I mean, it can be very so they're very conscious that they don't hang around to remind you that they're gone, right? Even though they're they're technically with you. So the the now I am not afraid of the darkness. I can handle absolutely anything that comes through, but it is how you know is the content of what is coming through. And if it's if it's not if it's really ugly and pretty critical and pretty negative, then it's probably not of the light. It's probably some other force. Yeah. That's good. Well, now that I've got you on the air, yeah. I'm gonna go personal questions. When um I have had interfacing with things, and you know, I love a good depot. If it comes to you, is it just the rule of thumb they're asking you, they're asking for a passage to the light? Is that how you see all entities that come that possess people that are in your if they're paying me? Do I have permission to get rid of it automatically? Yeah,

Permission And Ethical Psychic Work

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you you do. And so, and this you bring up a good point, this whole point about permission. Um, one of my pet peeves are would-be psychics that go around in public, you know, and I use Aunt Tilly. Aunt Tilly's my favorite lady. She says, She's not real. She's my my euphemism for any person that's coming through. And, you know, you're in Costco and you're walking around, and some random person comes and says, you know, your mother is behind you and she has a message for you. It really is annoying and really not okay, and it's really inappropriate. So I teach psychic development. I teach classes on this kind of thing. And my uh with HUNA, we work with permission. And so if they're paying you and they've signed a consent form and they've you've got their money, that is implies a level of permission. Now, I will still say, is it okay if I intervene? Is it okay if I, you know, if we kind of look more into this? I will still add that layer of permission because it's twofold. Number one, I want to make sure that I'm in integrity. Number two, I want them to consciously articulate that they would like my help with this thing, whatever this thing is. And I think it just adds a layer of safety, you know, and integrity to your work, uh, so that you're not just willy-nilly digging around and poking around and things uh like that. Um, and so I don't like it, and you've seen me not like it. Yeah. And the the answer to your question is, yeah, if it comes to you, it's for you. Meaning it's you, you, if you're in a room or you're doing a thing and I've done things in rooms and I haven't necessarily gone to yippee. I've I literally have looked around like, is there somebody else that can handle this? And no, there is no one else that can handle this right now. So you you you do it, and it's uh it's fine. But but yes, if it comes to you, it's meant for you. Yeah, yeah. Well, like feeling into what you were saying earlier about like where's the information coming from? Yeah, where's the information coming from? What okay? So the other side or heaven or hell, you know, whatever, a different vibration, different frequency. There's lots of uh theories out there about what the other side is. And in my experience, um, and I can only speak to what I have actually channeled and the beings that I have actually encountered, um, there is light and dark, there is good and evil. Uh some of my guides are saying we're on the earth right now, we are at a very critical juncture between in this battle between good and evil. Um it's dicey, you know, and so you can just look at what's going on in the world. Now, my mother, who died in 1984, would say it's always been that way. You know, she complained about every president, you know. I used to do Alzheimer's evaluations, and one of my one of the mental status exams for uh dementic patients is who's the president of the United States? And one of my favorite things is when I would deal with somebody with organic brain syndrome or Alzheimer's, they would say that idiot. That idiot applied to every single president for the last 50 years, you know, that they don't know who it is today, but it's that idiot, you know, whoever that idiot is. And so my mother would say, up against our law of cycles and rhythms, that you know, this is thing now to me, it it seems intense with the wars and the economy and all that kind of stuff. I don't know if it's any more intense. Now, from the other side's point of view, where the information comes from are not that many variables. So certainly we have the what's called the Akashic Records. Now, the Akashic Records theoretically is the record of it of human and other any information that's ever been captured. And that you can get readings about in from Akashic Records. There are angels. Now, angels are not, I don't deal, I've not met a lot of angels. I'm not an angel person. There are people who really specialize in angels and angel cards and angels, all that kind of stuff. But angels are a different species. They are not, uh, they have not ever been human. Once an angel, always an angel. So I sometimes channel angels. Sometimes I channel the dearly departed. Uh, and I uh I there's two categories of dearly departed. There are pets and there are um relatives, you know, people that have have passed on, not even not even family, just anyone that has been in your sphere that is now on the other side that comes through with a message or messages for you. And then there are spirit guides. As in the ascension of souls, we go through our paces. And when I channel the other side, like I said, it's not very romantic and it's not very sentimental. We're here to learn, and I get the F you, you know, the greatest challenges that we have, those beautiful beings of light that are our greatest challenger, our greatest teachers. Those the I can say now, gee, cancer and head injury and all like subgratest teachers. You know, if you would have told me that in the middle of it, I would have used some colorful language. Like I was not in the place of going, gee, this is such a wonderful experience. Now I can look back and it was it was important. The reason why we forget when we incarnate uh is that if we knew, we wouldn't do it. If we knew what we were about to encounter, we wouldn't go through those challenges because they are, but they are our greatest teachers. So, dearly departed, the spirit guides, there are layers of spirit guides all the way up to what's called the higher council. Higher council is a collection of very wise old beings that, again, in my vision, very much, I don't know what I'm really seeing or whether it's just my own model of the world when I see my higher council chamber looks like the Lord of the Rings. You know, it's these big stone statues, you know, and and I have a guide that looks like Gandalf from Lord of the Rings. Now, is does he really look like, you know, when I say, Do you really look like Gandalf? He goes, No, I don't think I look like Gandalf. I look like that for you, because that's something that you can understand, right? Yeah. So in our limited, our limited consciousness, these souls, because they're also souls, right? They're also souls doing their thing. And so sometimes souls do uh, you know, kind of our helper, helper things all the way up to the higher council. Then there is a thing, and I think Sylvia Brown wrote about this, that as in the evolution of our soul, we get to the point where we no longer need to individuate and we just don't

Where Information Really Comes From

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incarnate anymore. We don't need to do to be a spirit guide or anything else. We just kind of go back into the collective. It's very hard to think about that. It's very hard to think, what? You know, because souls are individual, you know, there's about 20 billion of them or so based on the theory you look at. And it's hard to imagine that we evolve to be closer to our creator, however you define it, and that at some point we've done, we've learned the lessons, we've cleaned up the karma, and we just kind of roll back into the collective as an energy and as a being like that. I will tell you, uh, people ask me, you know, what they look like, you know, what do souls look like? What to and it it's uh I do for you know, Huna Level 2, we do the Avaiku initiation. It's uh where we actually assign spirit guides to uh helper spirits to students. And I'm I wish you could see what I see, because it's they're adorable, you know. They're like I they're like looking down and then and they look like seedlings of light, you know, and before before they actually incarnate, if you will, before they come down and they adopt some sort of uh a name and a specialty and a you know look, they're just like these seedlings of light, you know, and uh they're like peeking down, waiting for the chant, you know, to come down. And um I believe that at that vibrational level, in order for us to understand, you know, um they need us to understand through our filters. And so in terms of psychic development that I teach, everyone is gonna have they have to do it their own way. And so, you know, what I I have uh several guides, you know, one of them happens to look like Gandalf. Gandalf is the one, this is a funny story. People along the way will ask me really ridiculous and stupid questions for these higher vibrational beings, you know, not only like does Jesus love me. Yeah. So I had an Alakai, you remember Daryl, and he was wanting a reading from Gandalf, and it was Gandalf. And Daryl was my my my director, vice president of marketing or something. And so he's got his list, man. And he wants to he wants a reading from Gandalf about exactly what software package and and like what are we gonna use? Click funnels, are we gonna use active campaign? Are we gonna use this or that? Now I'm channeling. I'm not this is I'm just kind of off to the side. And Gandalf actually says, I haven't been in a body for a thousand years. What the fuck could I know about what software package? I don't even know what a computer is. You know, he was pissed. He was just like, are you you are you out of your mind? Like you have a degree in marketing, you you can't figure out he was really irreverent, not irreverent, just kind of pissed. Like, really? We're talking about higher spiritual things and you want you want advice on technical computer things, you know, like that in the butt. He didn't ask that specific question. And so when you look at what you're asking, if you're asking a disembodied thought form that hasn't been in a body for thousands of years, well, do I have the burrito or do I have the salad? They don't care. Yeah, they don't have bodies. Don't, you know, come on. Don't, you know, can you lighten up your Questions a little bit, a little raise the vibration of your questions. You know, which makes it hard because people so then sometimes they'll look down the path, you know, and they will offer, by the way, their opinion, they will offer guidance and uh yellow flags like watch out for this and watch out for that. But understand that they won't intervene. You know, they're not going to angels will intervene. And there's many cases of miracles happening, you know, accidents and things like that. But your guides are not going to and it's frustrating because you we want them to tell us what to do. And they they will have opinions, but again, it's our path, it's our karma, it's our journey. Yeah, you know, and so I think that's that gets dicey because there's also a presumption, I think, that they on the other side know everything. And they don't. They don't see, they don't know. Like when I say, you know, like I'll I and I don't do this anymore because I get laughed at by them. What I'll say, well, you know, are we is there gonna be a World War III? I don't know. It's you it's your look, it's your planet. You guys are you know doing what you're doing. We have no control over what your leaders, your political leaders do, you know, and and so they're they're just as to them, it's like a soap opera. Oh they're like they're like watching, you know, they can see down the path, but they they're not, they don't determine, they don't control our outcomes. Right. And again, go back to the Christian faith, the idea that God gave us free will. This is in, you know, obviously conversations with God. Why would God give us free will and then want to dictate everything? You know, why would God give us free will and then take it away? You know, and he doesn't. And he or she or it doesn't do that. It is very much free will, and so it's the outcomes are not certain. And I think people want readings, they want certainty. You know, tell me exactly what job to take. Tell me exact now. This is the hard part. Sometimes we need to learn the lessons. Before I went on the ski trip, everything about that ski trip was not working, nothing worked well, and I didn't listen because I'm stilbert, and I'm gonna go on the ski trip, and I'm gonna go on the ski trip. I nearly died. Okay. Ten years later, great lesson. Yeah, listen to the signs, listen to the symbols. You know, uh, but from the point of view of the other side, the most painful experiences are the greatest teachers. So, in our limited ego-based judgment, we wouldn't choose death or accident or the miscarriage or the, you know, whatever it is. We wouldn't necessarily choose that. Uh, and those were some of our greatest teachers. Wow. I'm just like, okay, I had four questions come up, but I'm like, what would you say to like a parent who they're noticing their kid is having these gifts? They want to support them and help them and not squash it down. And then also maybe they don't really know how to navigate it. And it's like they're talking to an imaginary friend, but like, I don't know if that's a good friend, a bad friend. I don't know how to guide them. What can I do to help my kid foster the gift? Because I I believe in it and I want to support them and I would love help. So if there is evil in the world and if there are demons and lions and tigers and bears, oh my, they feed on fear. And so when we are afraid, that is what they feed on. And then this is not even my opinion. It's you know, you could go look on Netflix. It's just kind of the the way it goes. And so if you're not afraid, and if your kid is having an imaginary friend, encourage it, foster it, ask them about him, he or she. Again, look to the content of what the kid is sharing. Yeah, if the kid is sharing, it's a monster, it's under my bed, it's gonna eat me, it's gonna you know, kill me, it's telling me to kill you. That's not a positive influence. Right. Call me, you know, I went to school, you know, I have a college degree, you know. And um, and so one of my grandnieces, that's actually my partner's grandniece or something, had an imaginary friend um years ago, and I was around, and and this is probably early on in my career, and she she's six, five or six, and she's telling me about Wadi, W-A-D-D-I-E. And I said, Well, and she trusts me because I'm not gonna, I don't know her that well. I'm a new person. She feels something like I'm okay, I'm a safe place. So she's telling me about her imaginary friend. I was like, Oh, that's really great. Tell me about him. Well, he's really tall, he wears a dark suit, he wears a top hat like Abraham Lincoln, and he is my friend, and he tells me, you know, kind of what to do and how to navigate friends at school, and he really protects me, and he's just he walks with me, and we just have a really good time together. I said, Well, that's really great. He goes, and she goes, and sometimes, you know, uh little girls can be really uh nasty and they are really bullying. I said, even at five or six, she goes, Oh, yeah, you have no idea. Preschools, preschools are rough, really. And I was like, Okay, you know, tell me. And she says, Oh, Waddy, you know, Waddy's there with me. Well, Rick's mother is in the kitchen cooking, and she hears the name Waddy, and she comes out and she goes, What did you say? Now, this is a very Catholic family. What did you say? And then and then and then uh the little girl starts talking, and she goes, Well, Patrick, what did she say to you? I said, Well, that she has an imaginary friend named Waddy. And uh Nancy, who's was Rick's mother, uh, has since passed away, starts crying. And you know, I have her come over and sit next to me, I said, What's going on? She said, Waddy is my great-grandfather. That's his name. He always wore a dark suit with a top hat. He died before I was born. Wow. But I knew of him and I saw pictures of him. Yeah. And, you know, and so that was a cool family moment. You know, Rick was because Rick thinks I'm crazy and everybody thinks I'm crazy. But I'm just facilitating this dialogue between this five-year-old, her imaginary friend. Now, I didn't see Wadi, I didn't know any. I'm just a brick, you know, I'm just sitting there. And um, but when Nancy came out of the kitchen, it was like, what did you say? And so now the the child is now an adult, has children of her own. We don't talk about that stuff, not because it was prohibited, but she learned what she learned. I don't know if she's particularly psychic or intuitive, but that was a really special moment for it. And again, it brought the family together. So it was Rick's mom, Rick, my partner, and then uh it was uh his niece's daughter. Like so, this is like four generations that are talking about a human who had not been on the planet for a hundred years, and that he was walking alongside a five-year-old or a six-year-old just getting bullied at school. So I love that stuff. You know, I just love that stuff. And I I say encourage it, don't squash it, never call your kid crazy, you know, unless it's fun, unless they're just like a psycho child and you need to nip their behavior in the bud, you know, acting so crazy. But the but but around the imaginary friend stuff,

Helping Psychic Kids Feel Safe

Dr. Patrick Scott 51:30

because remember, kids are closer to the other side. Yes, they're you will hear you will hear kids say, when I was big, you know, when I used to be big, blah blah blah blah blah, you know, and so part of my role as a therapist, and I work with children and teenagers and all the kind of stuff is just to normalize that and just to say, okay, not a big deal. Let's just go with it. You know, what's it doesn't hurt anything, right? You know, but then what I challenge parents to do is to listen to the content of what the imaginary friend, you know, if the kind if the imagine, I'm always slightly smiling, but this happens. You know, if they're saying, you know, kill the dog or you know, flush the cat down the toilet or put the cat in the microwave, then that's probably not a good spirit. You know, you don't want that kind of a spirit, and you want to encourage your kid to turn away from that spirit. And if the kids are afraid, again, the children or any of us, just through our will, can demand that an unwanted spirit leave just by saying, You're not welcome here, please go. Not unlike that we do, you know, in the Huna tradition. Yeah. I got one more. Okay, I have two more. Okay, great. No, this is a 10-minute question. Yeah, but you we were talking about we are in a precipice of good and evil, and you know, we've talked about this before. When you're when we're here and shit's getting dicey, how does one stay on the side of the light? Um, for you, there's no danger, you know, there's no no danger, and you're a freak, both of you are freaks in in the best way possible. So there's zero danger. Understand that, and I don't mean this as a judgment, maybe I do, but there's a saying that you know, you the five people you hang out the most, you know, will determine your life condition. You know, in Buddhism, we talk about life condition. If your life condition is sufficient, and yours is, both of you, you're not gonna attract that stuff. And if you do attract it, it's gonna be to help somebody else get rid of it. You're not, and you'll know it when you feel it, you'll know it when you see it, you'll and you'll get slim. We get slimed, I get slimed, I don't get slimed as much as I used to, but I'll be, you know, somewhere and I'll go, you know, I'll feel something. Um and so to I every day, you know, through foundational daily practice meditation, the work that I do, I'm always very focused on the light. It's not to ignore that and and to to pretend or deny that the darkness exists doesn't exist. It does. There are people out there that if they if given the chance, they will do evil things. Um and that's kind of it the thing that we are. Um how you can be a warrior, you know, or a servant of the light really is just to stay out of fear. Do your best to stay out of fear. And um, I can get startled by entities or demons these days, where I go, oh, you know, they're they show up and the eyes are black and that's all, but I'm not afraid, like I don't get afraid for my safety. I don't get afraid, I get concerned sometimes with lower vibrational people in the room if there's people who are particularly susceptible, but then I take you know ownership for the whole room, that kind of thing. And so how you stay of the light is stay of the light and don't subs don't uh associate. And I don't mean this in I mean I work, understand. I I came into the clinic yesterday morning and there was a fist fight with two women in the lobby. You know, they were and if they were completely unrelated, they got into an argument. I don't know the drill, I wasn't there, but I walked into it, I had to separate them, and I had to take one to the floor. It was exciting. I got to rehash my psychiatric hospital, you know, emergency department management of aggressive behavior, you know. And um, but understand that that that's my job. Yeah. I'm not, you know, okay, so maybe they're having a rough day, you know, or whatever. I'm not taking that on. And I the way I when I use like, you know, an oncologist doesn't have to have cancer to treat cancer. Right. A neurosurgeon doesn't have to have a brain tumor to treat a brain tumor, you know, and so on. An OBGYN who's a man doesn't have to have be able to have child, you know, children in order to understand it. And so your role as as helpers, as coaches, uh it you don't have to take on the energies. And I think that part of my mission is to help practitioners learn how to stay really clean through all the tools that we have, you know, the release work and and the uh the the that kind of thing. And not and it's hard sometimes, you know, it gets really discouraging sometimes with what's going on. And if you have a steady diet of people who are super negative and super dark, it gets trying. And that's why uh self-care and balance, you know, it sounds cliche, work-life balance, and having a life and caring for yourself. The thing that I'll say about that is if you go down, we all lose. And so if there's some martyr syndrome going on about, well, you know, I've got to do it and I've got to take one for the team. If you go down, your family loses, we lose. And so there's it's not self-indulgent to take care of yourself. It's I think it's it's a requirement now these days, especially now. Yeah, beautiful. It's so beautiful. Oh, well, I I guess my last two things. One, like I know it's different for all of us. How does it feel for you when you're channeling? Like, what does it feel like? Um I'm not present. If you watch me, you have, I'm over here. I've stepped aside, and what's coming through is what's coming through. Um it is effortless. It is like reading a book. I'm not trying. I am not wed to the content. I am not, it is not, and because it is not me. I my favorite thing is when someone asks for reading, they wants to fight with me about it or disagree, and it's like, you know, take it or leave it. I'm you know, okay. Yeah, I wasn't there. I told you the story. You know the story of the lady who I this is early on in my channeling career, and I was getting a grandmotherly figure, you know. So I said that she had there's this woman to the right, to your mother, your mother's bloodline who looks like a grandmother. She goes, I don't have a grandmother, didn't have a grandmother, can't be a grandmother. So, well, okay, then it's a woman who's got a lot to say, and so let me just, and we're recording the session, let me just let her talk because she's got a lot. It's not a grandmother. She got really stuck on that it wasn't a grandmother, that she didn't have a grandmother, that it was wrong, that I was wrong. And that destabilized me a little bit. This was probably 10 years ago. And uh so we did the reading and we recorded it, and then she came back the next week and she started this the session uh crying. And I said, What's going on? Kumu, I'm so sorry. It was my great aunt. And I said, and you couldn't make the fucking leap. But they can't, and so I find that the more obtuse this is the translation part, because some of you

Staying With The Light Daily

Dr. Patrick Scott 58:30

you know uh uh Jocelyn Bergheimer. She wanted me to predict the birth of her second child, and I did, but I got way overly involved, and I don't remember the details, but I kept saying 31. 31, the number 31 is coming through. And I I've I interpreted that meaning on the 31st of this month, the child's gonna be born. Well, the child was actually born 31 days after that that reading. Um I wasn't wrong. I wasn't wrong, I was overly involved. Well well, yes, I know, I know. I will take a note. Um well, the last thing, so our friend, our caller, like she does give us permission. We can share her name and bleep it out. But like I would love if you would tap in and share anything that would support her on her path. Um, we feel that she's very talented. Um, if you need any. Well, she's yeah, she's no, I don't need it anymore. I heard her voice. Um, so she's at a dichotomy. She's got really a split going on. So part of her is a part, she's a party girl. And I love it, and she's a party girl, and I support it 100%. She's noticing already, you can check with her, that there's a law of diminishing returns, that she'll get so to use her word, blotto, that she's having trouble with the translation. And so what she can do is invited to do, is to start doing more readings in a safe place, not either not all the way in the bag, you know, maybe half in the bag, and to start playing with with because that's what I did. You know, I I just I I I have backed into trusting what's coming through and not needing to be. And I think actually for her, she doesn't really need the substances. That's a limiting belief. I think she's very capable, very capable to do it. She just doesn't trust herself and she gets overly involved. But she's she wants to be right, she doesn't want to make a mistake, she doesn't want to hurt, she's got a beautiful soul, beautiful, beautiful soul, and she so wants to help. And her what she so it's the she stops herself for fear she's gonna make a mistake, she's gonna give wrong guidance, she's not gonna get it clearly. When she's in under the influence of something, she doesn't care. It just comes out. And uh, but the trouble is if she's too in the bag, the translation isn't as clear. And so there's somewhere in there for her to start backing away from do the substances, have fun with the substances, but don't need to do the substances so that you can channel. Start backing into with you and people you know, people you trust, and then maybe if there's somebody in your community that she doesn't know at all, yeah, just start playing, just play. It's it it needs to be a spirit of appreciative inquiry and play and exploration and curiosity. She can't fail. Right. You know, it's the like like the the you know, am I on path? Yes, you know, how about a better question? Yeah, idiot. You know, I didn't say idiot, but I was like, really? Does Jesus love me? Oh, come on. That's all you got? Come on. He has a whole book about it. Well, I just I mean, I want to thank you so much for your super generous time and like sharing all of this wealth of knowledge. My head is blown off. For people who might be interested in psychic development and maybe want to study with you or learn from you. How can they find you? What a talk about your classes. Okay. So uh do a series on psychic development, the three class series. The first is called Realm Travel. That's where I just do the readings. I talked about that. Second one's called STFU, which is which means exactly what you think it does. Um, because I find that all roads lead to shutting the fuck up. Just shut up. Stop talking, stop analyzing,

Classes, Links, And Final Requests

Dr. Patrick Scott 1:02:15

shut up. Now, if it takes ayahuasca to do that, so be it. But that's the psychic development class, a two-day class, uh, 12 hours over two days, it's over a weekend. Typically, we do it. We're doing one in San Diego in uh June and a realm travel, it's usually a three-day extravaganza. Then I'm writing right now that I'll be premiering in Japan in November, uh, the class, a psychic integrative mastery program, which would be the level three of psychic development. Uh, psychic integrative mastery program, the acronym is Pimp because of my humor. And so the Japanese are gonna have no idea what it means, but it's gonna, they're all gonna be pimps, and it's gonna say pimp on their certificate, and they won't know. I love you even more, even more. So there's that, and then there's of course Huna training, and so we do we offer Huna, and I know you guys offer uh introductions, and I offer offer levels one, two, and three of Huna on the mainland and virtually, and so they can say the the website is drpatrickscott.com, and all the classes are there under live events, and you can read about me and my history and my trajectory. It's all there. He's an incredible teacher, guys. If you get to learn Huna from him, and uh, yeah, Lissette's gonna be there at his level three. And yeah, we will put the links in the show notes, and you can mention that you found him through Lissette um so that he knows you're the right people. Okay. Well, Kumu, thank you so much for just being so open and generous and sharing with our audience. It was absolutely a pleasure. My pleasure. Have a great day. Big spy. Oh my god. So good. I'm gonna my my noodle is cooked. Yeah, I know. The the way he answers a question with such depth and honesty and like guys. Precision. Yeah. Hit us with your comments underneath because this episode, I've been dying to get him on. I know. So to have him here, to have him share his wisdom, to help our caller out. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Patrick. And if you have a question, give us a call in 971-895-4111 and hit that like, subscribe, share this episode. You know someone who needs to hear this episode. Please share it with them now. And until we meet again, be honest with each other. Bye.