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Conspiracy Theories (Public Interview)

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to another episode of White Over Matter. We have the lovely

Speaker 2:

Fabio.

Speaker 1:

Babio. We're outside today in Washington Square Park on this lovely Tuesday evening just catching the vibes, you know, And I have the lovely

Speaker 3:

Allen.

Speaker 1:

Allen here with me.

Speaker 4:

Mones.

Speaker 5:

Mones, Emily, and Celia.

Speaker 1:

Do you believe in conspiracy theories?

Speaker 2:

Define conspiracy theory. Insperacy theories are

Speaker 1:

agendas that are set in place by a few or multiple people groups of people to set agendas that benefit them. But it is put out as the word conspiracy theory was put in place. To hide those agendas that these people are trying to profit over. Mhmm.

Speaker 2:

Sure. I I think I don't know if I believe in conspiracy theories by that definition.

Speaker 1:

Okay. What would you define it as?

Speaker 2:

Well, I think that people, a lot of times, feel like there's a conspiracy that's the missing answer to what's going on in society. Because if you have in a a concept of something that's not going on that under the surface. Mhmm. It can make you feel like you have control of what's going on or control of your life or control of things in general. When I think a lot of the times the answer is a lot less sinister in that sense. And it's just big pork operations controlling everything.

Speaker 3:

Insperity theories are one of those things where it's like people are just like spreading like rumors around and we don't know if they come true. Mhmm. There's some evidence and some facts that, like, point towards it being true, but there's not really any solid happens. It says that this is actually a fact.

Speaker 4:

Insperacy theories, is that, like, stuff that you think that happened? Like, does that mean, like, does that mean, like, conspiracy theories? Does that mean, like, stuff that you think that happened, but it didn't actually happen?

Speaker 1:

It's actually just things that you think the government put in place that are actually real, but they try to cover it up by using the word conspiracy theory to throw you off of what they're actually doing.

Speaker 4:

Yeah. Definitely.

Speaker 1:

Okay. And it's basically agendas made for, like, dark it's usually dark things that they do, agendas made for dark things they do, but when they come out, and we see the dark things they're doing, they try to switch it. You know, they try to put a razzled dazzle, like, now we're not really doing that, you know?

Speaker 4:

No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's done it's done a lot through through the media, you know, to distract us. The media is the number one weapon. You know?

Speaker 5:

I mean, something that I I think a conspiracy theory is maybe guessing someone's intentions. A lot of conspiracy theories people mix up, like, people not doing their jobs properly for evil intent. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

That's an interesting perspective. Are there any conspiracy thing things that were labeled conspiracy theory that you're like, this kinda has some, like, believe in it. I kind of believe a little bit.

Speaker 2:

What I will say is a big conspiracy theory quote unquote that people don't talk about a lot is I think a lot of these companies that, you know, Monsanto, Coca Cola Nestlé. I don't even know if conspiracy theory is the right way to define it. I think a lot of these companies lobby for things that, a, destroy environmental regulations and be hike the prices of things that are lifesaving, like drugs, pharmaceuticals, things of that nature. I guess, if I want if you wanted to call that a conspiracy theory, That's what I would define it as companies like McKinsey who work behind the scenes to fix the prices of food, fix the price of pharmaceuticals. A lot of people don't know about these things. Like, they don't know about these companies that are, you know, working behind the scenes to create supply and demands for things that should be, I guess, how should we put this essentially human rights?

Speaker 1:

Okay. What conspiracy theories do you think can be true? Like, they kinda sound like believable.

Speaker 3:

Mermaids. Mermaids are I believe mermaids are actually real. People who like older are not real, but I honestly feel I'm I'm guy news on in the Caribbean, and my parents have told my stories about mermaids and how they, like, lure you into, like, like, we call them Bayou's. Story too. And and Guyana, like, some houses are, like, border off with, like, water swamps and, like, my mom has some stories about, like, how neighbors have, like, been lured by them. But then, you know, when when I came here in America, the last few was, like, no mermaids in our view. I was, like, boom. Maybe maybe not. I don't know. But I do believe that Hermes are real. That's my experience.

Speaker 4:

I believe that they I believe I believe that there are alienated humans down here that we speak to every day that's walking day to day. And that lives that lives on his Earth and, you know, go to our grocery stores and buy our food every single day and go to and go to our banks. And I feel like they're on Earth testing humans and just testing the Earth. And I feel like it's been like that for years, you know? On some, like, secret shape. You know, like you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Like, you might have, like, reptilian reptilian like humans here, you know? And and it might be a secret. You know? You you you ever wonder like you might have a friend that's a reptilian or that's a like like, a a human a human like alien or something like that? Like, what if what if that was

Speaker 1:

human I don't even know any of my friends are reptile.

Speaker 4:

No. No. No. Not like, just, like, It don't have to be your friends. I'm talking about a human being.

Speaker 1:

A human being.

Speaker 4:

A human being. You know the government if the government if if the government is already, like, testing humans. Mhmm. What have you already thought they didn't did? Like, thought about.

Speaker 6:

You know what I mean? Mhmm.

Speaker 4:

Or what if what if aliens are what if aliens are Like, what if the aliens aren't like what they what they drew on TV? What if the aliens are human are human form? Would just you know, but they look a little bit a little bit more different.

Speaker 6:

You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 4:

Like, what if aliens are human form, but they look a little bit just a little bit more different. You know, probably with, like, some huge ears or, like, or something might be a little bit more different. Like, they might have a different nose, but it's the same nose.

Speaker 6:

Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1:

Nah. I hear you. Mhmm. What specific things kind of made you even believe that? What was the first piece of evidence you're like, no. This has to be real.

Speaker 4:

Well, I got ADHD, so I just be thinking a lot. So it's not like I saw something. I got ADHD and I'll just be thinking the line. I put I put two and two together. So I thought people were ADHD. We we know a lot. And we grasp a lot of in information.

Speaker 1:

Mhmm. And

Speaker 4:

we think about it a lot. And then, like, we just put two and two together. Some of it also will be true, you know. Ninety nine percent of the time, it'd be true. Ninety eight, ninety nine percent of the time, it'd be true.

Speaker 5:

I would say the American Crock Chorus and Modern Rate Regan's involvement in them. That's something that I'm like, I think the CIA left some some stuff into the country and maybe also, like, Jackson Park, like becoming a famous painter. I mean, that's there was so was blown, like,

Speaker 1:

it was funded by the sea and that, and I haven't heard that one.

Speaker 5:

Oh, basically, during the Cold War, like, Jackson colleague was kind of picked by the CIA to be in, like, a cultural war with Russia, to be, like, the new face of American art, like, total abstract impressionism. And yeah.

Speaker 2:

The nation. You know, I I got vaccinated. I got two boosters. But I think people shut down the conversation about COVID vaccines. Because they don't wanna have a conversation that this was a for profit thing that's going on. You know, these companies like Pfizer, Johnson, and Johnson, and Moderna have a profit incentive to push the population to continue taking boosters. And it's hard to have that conversation because a lot of times people will just shut that down and say it's a conspiracy because you can just take any type of descent on the on the scale from, you know, this is a population controlled to just saying, you know, these pharmaceutical companies have a profit motive and you can put it all in the same box and label it as a conspiracy. A conspiracy as a term is used to shut down conversation a lot of times.

Speaker 1:

How do you feel about people being labeled as conspiracy theorists? Do you think that's dismissive? Of understanding where they're coming from.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. It is this message. I think it's in today's today's tomorrow's we're not very we don't have empathy. And we we kinda, like, rule everything out because of, like, science making everything. Labeling everything less definite, meaning like this is this and this is that and you know, a lot of people are within that world. And then, you know, of course, people with, like, power. Obviously, having a lot of, you know, play in what people see and think through a media. And there's a lot of, like, oil companies that bunch media that we don't even know about. And we're just thinking like it's like, you know, it's the conservatives and the Republicans. It's actually people with money. That actually is telling these things. So I think it is dismissive because people's words hold the weight in so many different ways and You just have to be open to it and have to be for that person.

Speaker 1:

Why do you think they use the word conspiracy theorist? Do you think it's a dismissive term?

Speaker 4:

Oh, it's hot out here.

Speaker 1:

That's the last question I mean. Why do you think people label people as conspiracy theorists or crazy or

Speaker 4:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because, like well, that's a good question. I don't know why, but I know why they will call you crazy. You know what I mean? Don't want you to they don't want the public to know. You know? If if people knew that it was it was human human aliens or something like that. Just walking around, like, you know what I mean? Let's say if let's say if this was a alien viewer, I am. And you were top secret government. Right? The government sent you out here.

Speaker 1:

You don't be telling them, I see.

Speaker 4:

You know

Speaker 6:

what I mean?

Speaker 4:

Yes. Look, the government can look, the government is putting did you know that the government if look, if they can if they can build a whole AI robot. Right? A a a a whole AI humanoid robot

Speaker 1:

-- Mhmm. --

Speaker 4:

and then put fucking skin over it. And and have the robot actually doing human things. They got robots where they can walk, they can fight, they can move up fucking work, Right? It actually acts like a human. It moves like a human. It doesn't move like a robot. It moves like a human. It you they can do that. What makes you think that they you know what I mean? That they haven't done other things that I'm talking about? Like eight like like like aliens that look like humans.

Speaker 1:

It's food for the

Speaker 4:

whatever, you know, like, it's it's it's it's facilities out here. Government facilities out here that's fucking is government facilities out here that that, you you know, people People think kidnapping is only done with the cartel. It's not only done with the cartel. Kidnapping is done with kidnapping is done with mom focused dad. Know, it's done with the government too because it's facility government secret facilities out here, and they take in humans. Right? And they test it on. So, you know, you got you got people you probably got people that haven't even seen a fucking day or night because they're fucking stuck in these government for secret facilities. You know, and they're and they're getting things injected inside

Speaker 1:

of them.

Speaker 6:

You know what I mean?

Speaker 7:

Yep.

Speaker 4:

They're getting things injected inside of them and all that and all that shit, you know. So, you know, just

Speaker 1:

They will guess.

Speaker 4:

They won't.

Speaker 8:

That's an interesting perspective. I I hadn't thought about that either. But, yeah, if something makes you uncomfortable, you might be quick to dismiss and say, Oh, that's just made up. Why don't we listen to some random person? But, yeah, they might have a point

Speaker 1:

or a conspiracy theory. I think that word is very interesting because I feel like our realities are governed by our word and governed by our tongue. So I use the question conspiracy theory to actually give people the chance to speak their truth. But a lot of the times when I use that word, it sparks fear and emotion. That's why I lean into that. Because, you know, you have to also grab your audience from a journalist, of course. So I really use that word word to startle them. There's so much other words I can use that are synonymous with the word conspiracy theory that are actually even we'll have them thinking even more highly of just reality, but I use that word specifically. And because it is a negative connotation attached towards it, and I understand the power of media. I like to say I live in the world, but I live I'm not up the world. I live in the world. And when I say that, I say, like, when you observe things from, like, a higher perspective, and don't let it take over your reality, and don't let it take over your day to day behaviors. Like, when you wake up, you make the conscious decision to meditate and journal and really put out your thoughts into this world with intent, with no dilution from the outside world, then you're able to understand that life is literally what to make it. You are the creator of your life. Of course, there's gonna be these schemes and these bigger operations going on around you, but you are out of the world. You're in the world.

Speaker 7:

Oh, like, I mean, how I see the world of life or, you know, the total moisture in a sense. You create the world that you wake up you wake up with the mind. And that inner voice is telling you basically running that type of your world, you know, so it can it can change that inner voice, you're changing the world, and it's it's a whole it's a lot of different layers in this world, and it's just a matter of how you play the game in a sense of this world. And there's windows and movers, but and then we all just wanna have a better world. We're still striving for

Speaker 9:

this day. What about you?

Speaker 1:

I think we see the world by how much we know our yourselves. So the more you get to understand yourself, read yourself, understand your life and this life, your world will improve. I think we see our world by our internal views and whatever however we feel internally is what's protected out to our world. Our beliefs are what projects out to our world. I think our script and our internal dialogue whether it's good or bad, that is going to dictate if your reality is good or bad.

Speaker 9:

So both of what you said suggest that If there's something wrong in our external reality, it's probably coming from within. And so what do you think that is? What what is it that seeing that the world is the way it is? What is it that we have to a heal and evolve beyond to to manifest a different form a wiser form of coexisting for ourselves.

Speaker 7:

So I feel like number one, we have to start off with love and and showing appreciation for one another feel like these days everyone is against each other, you know. And if you wanna create a world where it's it's beneficial and it's probable and it's it's all good for the greatest greater good. We need to work together. I feel like everyone's out for themselves. And I just think that's that's literally a actually booming thing to do. But the more we just stay connected and lose our pride and know yourself and So, like, we're out here watching the square part, you know. We met you, like, two weeks ago, and and we're working together together today. Like, that's what we need more of in every part of society, whether we're making content, or we're making political decisions, whatever the case may be. We just have we all went to court. And it's it's a it's a journey, but I believe it'll have been done.

Speaker 1:

So the question was how do we improve our internal world?

Speaker 9:

Yeah. And what is it that we what what is it that we ought to shift within ourselves. Like something something must be handling us in the aggregate. Obviously, it's not on an individual. Every individual is different. But as the aggregate societal level, we see so many homes. So they're stemming from online. So -- Mhmm. -- what what is it that's wrong? What is what is in your eyes and what can be shipped?

Speaker 1:

I think what is wrong and what can be shipped is I just understanding that where our thoughts come from. Like, if we can really dissect and, like, trace that, why am I thinking this to the roots? That can really fix a lot of our problems, going back into our childhood, unwork unlearning certain toxic cycles that we were taught, I think just trying to purify ourselves in a way where we that's very proactive in a way that's very introspective, and you have to do the work.