Have you ever pondered the fine balance between standing out as an individual and blending into a community? Let's embark on a journey with my guest Isaiah, where we unravel this delicate dance. Together, we scrutinize the role of social media in magnifying the self while dissecting the essence of integrity within the spectrum of individualism vs. collectivism. This episode is a treasure trove for those seeking to enhance personal trust and realize the enchantment of self-discovery.
Take a seat at our table as we dissect the labyrinth of team dynamics and hierarchies. We share personal stories of navigating the rocky terrain of self-promotion, striving for authenticity, and the sometimes elusive pursuit of team synergy. If you're curious about how differing managerial styles affect employee morale and business outcomes, and how contrasting cultures address individualism's impact on mental health, then prepare to have those curiosities quenched.
Lastly, we toast to the profound power of words and the catharsis of starting with what's at hand, celebrating collective progress over perfection. The episode crescendos with an exploration of ego versus soul growth, and a heartfelt affirmation of gratitude for our community's support. If you're ready to challenge your perceptions, seek soulful insights, and embrace the growth that comes from beginning, this is the conversation for you.
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Have you ever pondered the fine balance between standing out as an individual and blending into a community? Let's embark on a journey with my guest Isaiah, where we unravel this delicate dance. Together, we scrutinize the role of social media in magnifying the self while dissecting the essence of integrity within the spectrum of individualism vs. collectivism. This episode is a treasure trove for those seeking to enhance personal trust and realize the enchantment of self-discovery.
Take a seat at our table as we dissect the labyrinth of team dynamics and hierarchies. We share personal stories of navigating the rocky terrain of self-promotion, striving for authenticity, and the sometimes elusive pursuit of team synergy. If you're curious about how differing managerial styles affect employee morale and business outcomes, and how contrasting cultures address individualism's impact on mental health, then prepare to have those curiosities quenched.
Lastly, we toast to the profound power of words and the catharsis of starting with what's at hand, celebrating collective progress over perfection. The episode crescendos with an exploration of ego versus soul growth, and a heartfelt affirmation of gratitude for our community's support. If you're ready to challenge your perceptions, seek soulful insights, and embrace the growth that comes from beginning, this is the conversation for you.
Podcast available on ALL listening platforms
Mind Over Matter linktr.ee/mindovermatterbabyyy
Watch Manhattan Neighborhood Network EVERY Saturday @ 12pm
Follow us on Instagram
@mindovermatterbabyyy
DEJA @deja.waja
All about the small things. Once you say that you are going to do something and you don't do it, Mm-hmm oh you're lying to yourself.
Speaker 3:People say exactly and you're lying to all this and now other people get.
Speaker 1:They have a perspective of you, yeah, a dirty perspective of you, yeah, ok, well, can't trust this person, or I know that not to ask this person. There we go, you're not reliable Bingo and it was like a mirror I had to put in my face to realize that shit word is, bond it is, and if your words don't match up with your actions, what do you really have? Seriously, what do you really have? And then also realize, him, you're a liar.
Speaker 2:You're a real liar. You're a liar, you're a fucking liar. You're a liar in some form and you're lying.
Speaker 1:And you're lying to yourself, yeah, and you are the biggest person in your life. You feel me? If not you, then who? The mind over?
Speaker 3:matter is magic. Add to magic. Don't you overwarn. You're grown higher. The mind over matter is magic. Add to magic. The mind over matter is magic, add to magic. Don't you overwarn. You think the man, I'm a man of magic magic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I say yeah.
Speaker 1:What's good, what's good yo? Yeah, you supposed to say you're back, I'm supposed to say you're back, my fault, I was only one time.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's New York etiquette. I gotta get you right. You're right, it's all right. It's all right, it's all right. Welcome to Mind Over Matter. Baby, I'm your host, deja Wallace, and if this is your first time joining, welcome. If this is not, welcome back, I appreciate you shout out to you Like you really came back to listen to another episode, like, oh my God, I love that for you, I love that for me. So we're on episode 87. We're on episode 87. And I have a big guest with me today for this big episode.
Speaker 1:I have the lovely Question Pleasure to meet you, isaiah. Isaiah, we gonna keep you in question All right, we gonna keep you in question.
Speaker 2:All right, my fault. I didn't want to see the whole government. I had to do it, okay, yeah, thank you for joining me today.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having me. I appreciate you seriously yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So, Isaiah, we knew each other back like For a while now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, For a while now I was in 10th grade. 10th grade, no, I was in 9th grade when we met officially.
Speaker 2:I was like in 10th grade Giving a mutual friend, yeah, yeah, like we never really like chopped it up, chopped it up. We didn't, until like recently.
Speaker 1:Recently and then found out that we have a lot of similarities.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the universe is universal. The universe is universal.
Speaker 3:God is God-ing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, god is God-ing. He like I'm like yo, I love what you're doing, like I've been watching what you're doing and I appreciate that, like a lot of people will see what you're doing and then they're just like a view, you know they're not going to engage. So thank you for like rekindling this. I feel like this is a start to something beautiful. You know, thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. Thank you for allowing me to come on to the show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I loved your energy like all for it from when we, you know, linked back up. So today I want to talk about building a team, individualism versus collectivism. We're going to talk about social media and, like, how does that like basically encourage individualism? Okay, and yeah, we're just going to talk about that mainly. So, if you're interested, like you could kick back, relax, grab a snack and stay tuned. Yeah, we can get right into this. So, isaiah Question what even made you like want to reach out, like what made me want to reach out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what stood out about Mind Over Matter? Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I've actually been watching you for a while. Each one of your episodes got more meaningful to me and and I rise from every role in societyiiiipe so الس exceedingly different. I saw you put the effort in the discipline from the screen and that, to me, was big. Not a lot of people have that right now, not for any particular reasons, but whether people feel misled or powerless, what you're doing is.
Speaker 2:I think it's more so like the short-term gratification that a lot of people are expecting of. Yeah, they want the quick With ease, not if you get about the hard work, quick results.
Speaker 3:They forget about the hard work, but I see the hard work and the discipline that you do put into Mons of Manor.
Speaker 1:Can I appreciate that? Of course, of course. So I had to reach out for my own personal reasons, and I reached out because I wanted to start my own show. Yes, or I'm in the making of starting my own show. I am in the making of starting my own show, and I know that seeing you shine and seeing you be able to put in the hard work, I was like I knew I could learn from her. I knew that this could possibly be the mentor that I've actually been praying about.
Speaker 2:Ha ha ha, no, no, like no like for real, because this is not stroking my ego, because it's so rare I hear that you know.
Speaker 1:You gotta kill the ego.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't want to get too personal, but, like I have trust issues. You know what I mean. I grew up in environments where I felt like if I was myself or if I did speak too highly of myself, it was a threat to others Because, see, like the envy like close people to me, so like it made me want to not really promote myself, speak about good things that I'm doing, because of that Use that throw shocker. Yeah, my throw shocker was clogged Right there, like so that's what I'm saying. This right here means a lot to me, like I don't take that lightly, you know what I mean. So, yeah, yeah, I want to get into.
Speaker 1:Let's get into, like social media, okay let's do it, let's dive right into it, let's just get right into it.
Speaker 2:Oh okay. Do you think that, like what you're seeing on your news feed? Do you think that it glamorizes being self-made in a way?
Speaker 1:All the time. All the time, self-made is like the number one thing trending on Instagram. It's very few do I see as a collective pushing something. Even if it is like just a brand, it's still like an individual that owns the brand or is kind of representing what it is At the forefront and it's portrayed as you could do it on your own. You could put all the stress on your back, you could put everything, you could hold the weight and you could keep on pushing forward. That shit is hard. That shit is hard. I feel like Instagram is just fake. Sometimes it's fake. You have to be very mindful of the content that you were bringing forth into your body and brain and your energy, because whatever you watch, that's just an energy transfer. To be honest, whoever you talk to, that's just an energy transfer, right? So I feel like it takes a strong individual to kind of scroll, if they are going to scroll and realize that. You know what I can disassociate and I still have my own beliefs and morals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, then hold it strong to them. Yeah, definitely yeah, I had an idea. It went away. I'm going to catch you, I had an idea, just like you know what I'm saying. Okay, boom. So when I first started the podcast, it was alone. I was by my dolo and quickly I wanted my friends to come on. Naturally, you're going to be like yo come on, bring your team.
Speaker 2:This is going to be fire. We could do this create content. We're going to make a content house, whatever you know. Very aspirational and, like I started to realize, your friends sometimes don't have the same visions as you. They don't. Sometimes it sounds cool and retrospect when it's time to show up. Sometimes they just not as passionate as you and I had to accept that that was like a hard pill to swallow. Yeah, so how do you feel? Do you think like people with different visions can work together and build? It's harder.
Speaker 1:I got to really think about what I'm getting ready to say. I feel like people having different visions and coming together to work on one thing. It's a positive thing.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:That brings individuality. You are good at something and I am good at something, but we have to realize that we are both working towards the bigger picture. You know it has to be a level of trust, there has to be a level of loyalty between you and your partner, you and your business partner, whatever the case it may be that I respect you and your boundaries as an individual. Vice versa, you respect mine, but we know that we're both working to a bigger picture. So things won't get misconstrued in the midst of time or once the lime light actually starts hitting. You know we won't drift off. You go left and I go right.
Speaker 2:You see, I'm against, like I don't think people with different visions can like have like a long term, just like a team built long term. Because I feel like sometimes, especially when I try to bring other people on board with me, when I try to bring other people on board with different visions, it kind of like dilutes the main messaging. We're not going to always align creatively, you know what I mean and like say they don't like the name and now they trying to change the name, and that's the essence of the podcast. It's always going to be like some type of clash, you know, which makes things kind of stagnant. I feel like and that's why, you know, destiny Child had to split Exactly and then became individuals Exactly. So that's my perspective on it. I think, like people with different visions, it's not going to withstand the test of time.
Speaker 1:I feel like Okay, I understand that. I just I'm coming from a point of view where I feel like having an open mind and being comfortable, comfortable with allowing the other person to speak about what they feel and how they're thinking and why they're thinking it, because we all have our unique experiences that create us. So, bringing it, bringing back into the circle, having an open mind and having different visions, I feel like we can possibly meet somewhere in the middle, you know, where we're not disrespecting each other and compromise.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's a fine compromise. That shit is hard as hell nowadays, but a fine compromise to work to the bigger picture. But I do like having people with different visions and thinking differently around me all the time. I feel like it keeps me grounded, it keeps me on my feet and it keeps me always thinking about the other person. You know, it's not necessarily always about me. It's about me because it's my life, but there's other people in the world too, at the end of the day, and keeping an open mind allows me to be receptive to what you think or what you may have experienced, which is the reason why you think so I'm comfortable with having people with other visions, okay interesting?
Speaker 2:I'm not, though. So, okay, let's start talking about this. I like this. How do you feel about like hierarchy on teams? Because, like I recently was had the opportunity to work under Black women and media Okay, and I'm a social media manager for them.
Speaker 2:So, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, I just dropped that big news on y'all, but, um, so we were at an event and she was introducing me to somebody that's the owner, and she's saying to me I introduce myself as an intern. I said I'm a social media intern. And then she stops me in a middle of a sentence while introducing myself, she's like don't you ever introduce yourself as an intern? You are the social media manager for Black women and media. I'm like damn, but like that sounded very powerful, you know what I mean. And then she just it kind of like boosted me in a way. You know what I mean, Uh huh. So it kind of like made me not feel like she was the boss and I am the intern and I have to run and get coffee right now. It made me feel like I have more control.
Speaker 2:So how do you feel about like hierarchy on teams? Hierarchy on teams? Yeah, Because, like going back to social media. Sometimes it's like, you know, some people are the face of the brand and then it kind of makes people like feel uncomfortable. It kind of makes the people who are the backbone of the company, who are really like making sure things don't fall apart, go unnoticed, Like the face of the brand is always going to get more recognition. So, like, how do you feel about that dynamic?
Speaker 1:Having a leader is important. Having a role model is important. That's basically hierarchy. Now, the way that boss or that individual runs their company or wants to work with their associates, that's on them. I can't speak for them, but I can speak for myself that any team I create, I need to keep an open mind. I need to realize that they all have their own experiences that come together to build something. Now I wouldn't make my team members feel like I'm the boss and you come to me for everything and that's just it and that's fine. I don't know. That's unfair. I'm not the only one holding this table up. There's multiple of us. There's three legs. Yeah, we got to all work together.
Speaker 1:Mentorship is cool Mentorship is really cool, and not shitting on a person is also even cooler. I'm kind of biased about it, to be honest with you. I feel like hierarchy is needed. It comes with the personality that that person of hierarchy, of that role, is given out to the people.
Speaker 2:What are they doing? They're needed too for structure. To a certain extent, you said it's all about that person's character too. Sometimes, even when you think about a boss, they're mean, loud, arrogant. They're cool boss. Just shifting that mindset. Bosses don't have to be like that. And that really was refreshing because it made me feel like you know less restrained.
Speaker 1:Have you ever been in a situation where it was like?
Speaker 3:oh.
Speaker 1:I thought it was before you asked have you ever been in a situation where you did have someone above you and they made you feel like I'm above you? Stay in your place. Yes, can I know more about it if you don't mind?
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course. Please, john and Matt, right now it's weird. So I have two sides of the spectrum where it's like have a cool boss and then have a boss that's like breathing down your neck. You forgot this, you forgot this, and it's like I see the difference mentally how I feel. I really feel like sometimes, when you have a boss breathing down your neck, mentally you don't wanna be there. So how is that benefiting the business? You know what I mean, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do. I agree with you Having someone micromanage every little thing you do is stressful, I'm not even gonna lie. It is very, very stressful. It makes me uncomfortable, it makes me kinda fumble back a little bit on what I'm doing, cause I'm like oh man, I have this person watching over me. They won't let me do what I know I can do because they're so busy telling me how to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so true, that's a bar.
Speaker 1:That is so true, and I think that goes back to our last question. You know, having hierarchy, it's the way you are as a person. What characteristics do you bring to the table as a boss? Are you a boss that's gonna step on everybody's toes or, on the other hand, are you a boss that's gonna be able to listen and bring a collective, a collective ear together? Yeah, so that we all feel heard and we all feel like we have a voice, cause it's not about having a voice to everybody else, to everybody out there. You know, we don't always get a chance to meet everybody in the world the world's huge but it does matter to an individual and I'm speaking from personal experience Wherever you are as a collective, to feel heard, to feel like when I speak, they're gonna hear me speak and they're gonna take into consideration what I'm saying, what they do forth, I don't know, but they heard me and they let me speak.
Speaker 2:Thanks. Do you think that individualism has taken a toll on our mental health? Because I feel like America's a very individualistic get it on your own society, very self made, self made, especially in New York. You could see that like it's everywhere. Yeah, it's like times 10 in New York. You could see it Like everybody just get what they need for themselves, get to the bag and get it right now.
Speaker 1:Any means not any means.
Speaker 2:So do you think that has? How do you think that's impacted our mental health as a society? Compared to like us, like being more collective, being more like you know outside the country, sometimes they care more about their nation, more, and you could see that in their people and working together. Yes, so how does that, you think, affects our mental health as a society?
Speaker 1:Now are we talking about in New York?
Speaker 2:or as a whole. As a whole, okay, be specific to New York, if you want.
Speaker 1:Individualism. How is it pushed?
Speaker 2:Damn. Because, for example, right, mm-hmm, my Jamaican culture, right, yeah, like they're very big on nationalism, okay, on just being very family oriented and doing things as a unit. You know they and even like in the media they emphasize like oh how, like they could build their nation as a whole. And it's not, it's not just like to sound cool, you know they're actually doing the work and you could see that, even though there's still poverty and everything there, like mentally, the people there, their spirits, are brighter, in my opinion. You know, everybody wanna be in Jamaica. Everybody wanna go to Jamaica, like what the heck? Everybody wanna be where the blue one is, but here everybody wanna come to New York. But when they get here, it's like.
Speaker 1:You realize the trial and tribulation.
Speaker 2:Yo, this is a setup low key Shit Like you gotta really get it on your own, gotta really work for it. Yeah, and it affects you mentally. Mm-hmm, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Agreed. Yeah, I feel like it affects you mentally. I feel like individualism and collectivism work together Hand in hand, okay, and so how can you believe, how can you be part of a collective if you don't even know yourself, if you don't know what guidelines or what morals that you have and you stand? For once you begin to know yourself as an individual. You get to know you and you know what you like, what you dislike, what you wanna tolerate, what you're not going to tolerate.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's interesting, because you wanna actually associate yourself with, what agenda you wanna be a part of. It makes it easier to actually find the collective that you wanna be a part of and grow with. Okay, sometimes I find that when being part of a collective and not having a sense of self, you almost start to feel misled or powerless in the sense of well, everybody else is speaking for me, I'm just helping them speak, I'm holding the mic for them the whole entire time and it kinda sucks, because we all have our unique gifts and we all have our unique powers and everything. We all bring something different forth to the table, something beautiful that we all come together and create something as a collective. So if you don't know yourself, how can you begin to help others? That's really where I stand on that with the collect collect-ism.
Speaker 2:I think I was kinda demonizing individualism. How so? I think because, like, even when I look up the word, it says the habit and principle or principle of being self-reliant, you know Okay. So I feel like sometimes it could breed like self like you could be selfish. I feel like right now there's so much people walking around like with this kind of Ship on their shoulder.
Speaker 1:This crown on their head, kinda like this narcissism.
Speaker 2:You know this overt narcissism, you know.
Speaker 1:Experienced it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now I feel like sometimes, like I feel like it's becoming more and more prominent to meet a narcissist in society, now more than ever, because I feel like everybody feels like they're the main character, you know, I think there's nothing wrong with feeling like you are the main character, but it comes with a sense of humbling yourself at the same time and realizing that there are others.
Speaker 1:I also feel like there's nothing wrong with being selfish, in my opinion, now, there's being selfish disrespectfully and there's being selfish respectfully and considerate to others, but we must worry about ourselves first in order to help others or to lend a foot out or hand out, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think there's like enough external factors, like external places for people to meet collectively, like in New York City, outside of like the summertime, especially like now? No, no, right, no.
Speaker 1:No, Especially in the wintertime, when people are the most depressed, the most fucking depressed. We don't have enough of a sense of community or going outside to do what people used to do 20 years ago.
Speaker 2:I feel like it's more so, like at work, if you don't have that Uh-huh or if you don't have a good family life, like there's no like Outside. Yeah, there's no like it's outside. That's when this comes, that's when this comes, this all day, this all day, the watching the scrolling, the scrolling of scrolling, of scrolling to scroll.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's endless scroll and I'm watching other people's lives and seeing what they do where they are. And then I'm here and I'm like what am I doing? I'm like in the summertime, I feel like there is a lot of things that we collaborate with.
Speaker 2:But I still feel like in my eyes it still feels like a lot of escapism. Ah, so Because in my eyes from I'm probably going to the wrong events. Okay, I would have been to you going to. Like just like you know, like a prospect park gay party or something Like.
Speaker 1:Haven't been to one seen a bunch of them Fire. I can't wait to go. I cannot wait to go. One of the best experiences. There's a party I've been hearing about. It's like the Brownstone parties in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, cannot wait. I'll wait to see it on 10th.
Speaker 1:Cannot wait to go and attend and show my personality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll be like, oh, I wish it was summer in New York. I'm like that's literally like 1%, 1% of what New York is like. Yeah, what is really like I can't wait to go to New York in the summer to do this Like be for real, but yeah, it's fun though. It's fun though. Yeah, it looks like a vibe, but I don't want to wait until summer to.
Speaker 1:Experiencing or springtime.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying to be happy with being outside. You know what I mean. I feel like going back to, like you know there's no like I feel like positive spaces other than just partying, when like we can get together and just chill, Like and talk. Probably I'll be, probably I'm not in tune enough, but it's just from my perspective.
Speaker 1:No, no, I feel like. I feel like you're very in tune. I feel like during those, those, those winter depressing times, those depressing winter times, that's the time to cultivate self. That's the time to take your book and you write everything you like, everything you want to accomplish, or your goals, and you figure out, step by step by step, how I'm going to accomplish them, which one I'm going to do first, prioritize, that's very important. And having a sense of discipline, so when I always going to be motivated, I'm surely fucking up. So having a sense of discipline and knowing that word is bond and keeping your words matching up with your actions, is very fucking important. I love that.
Speaker 1:You said that and a wise man once taught me that and it stuck in the back of my head. Yes, and I appreciate that wise man. That wise man is my dad. Oh, wow, thank you, mr Williams. That is true, but very true, very, very true. Writing down everything that you want to do and knowing what you want to do and taking the time and owning the time to like yo, you know what I'm a lock in. I'm a lock in right now and I'm going to do what's best for me, and once you do that you get a sense of gratification from inside that feels so good, like it feels so right, and it's like this aura, that this aura and frequency that others can feel and see. Once the sun comes out again, people be looking at you like.
Speaker 3:Ooh like. Thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:But people be looking at you like ooh, like, I feel it, I sense it, like damn who you been where you been doing what you been doing.
Speaker 2:He said I smell it.
Speaker 1:Smell the hormones.
Speaker 2:It's true what he's saying. It's basically the essence of mind of matter Building yourself up from within, building yourself up from within to attract the outer. And when you say word is bond, I'm big on that because, like even when I I've been told, like somebody has told me this and I asked, I kind of stick with this. I feel like a promise is a comfort to a fool, especially if somebody has not matched up to their words for you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like if you know that person track record and they're always just speaking they're not really doing, and if you believe, if you're believing that that's a comfort to a fool, like that's why, like, even when I don't like saying I'm going somewhere and not showing up, like I really take that personal because I know that it's a reflection of me, like I'm not a flip floppy person so I'm not going to, I'm going to try to really Go out with like go all the way and foresee what I'm saying all the way through, so like that's a big thing for me.
Speaker 1:You know, it's a big thing for me too, Mm-hmm, and I'm learning about it. I'm trying real hard because, I'm gonna be honest once upon a time, I don't feel like my word was always bond. I don't feel like everything I said out my mouth was matched up with my actions, not in the sense of the way I feel about somebody or you know the reason I'm keeping Certain person around, but just saying you know, it's all about the small things.
Speaker 1:You know, it's all about the small things once you say that you are gonna do something and you don't do it.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and you line saw this and now other people's get they.
Speaker 1:they have a perspective of, yeah, a dirty perspective of you, yeah, okay, well, can't trust this person, or I know that not this person there we go. You're not reliable bingo and it was like a mirror I had to put in my face to realize that Shit word is bond it is if your words don't match up with your actions. What do you really have, seriously, what do you really have? And then also realizing you're a liar.
Speaker 1:Fucking a liar. You're lying to yourself. Yeah, you are the biggest person in your life. You feel me. If not you, then who? At the end of the day? You feel me, know, you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink, you feel me. So it's like Gosh, I need some water, you know? No, no, I'm good, I got okay, I come prepared, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:But uh, yeah, okay, okay, cool, I love, that is in our thermos.
Speaker 1:no free ads and I got my, my once upon a brand once upon a time.
Speaker 2:I want to get into that. I miss you, guys.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I love you guys. I want to get into that.
Speaker 2:Do I want to get into that or do you want to get into the future? Brown, you don't want to go in the past. When I go to the future, we can go into the past, because the past taught me a lot. Okay.
Speaker 1:I don't want to go into the past.
Speaker 2:Are you gonna take a blast at a pass? We could do that.
Speaker 1:Let's do it, let's do it, let me see the ice in there, yeah you want some?
Speaker 2:All right, I'm quenched. The other guys, the other guys.
Speaker 1:First of all, that was like the foundation, that is the foundation of the beginning of creative question, my friend Joey. I used to work with him at full locker. He had a friend named Hector, super bright, and they they had this idea of Yo, we want to go talk to people in the street and, kind of like, do something, like we want to be social, we want to actually like be outside, you know whether it be cold or warm, and they asked me to come apart of the team that was before a side, what's it called?
Speaker 2:So I thought, yeah, that would be for sight talk. Yeah, a little bit before.
Speaker 1:I thought a little bit before.
Speaker 2:That's why we're going so viral.
Speaker 1:So actually, cuz people like I feel like no, I might have been around the same time, around the same time. I might have been around the same time, okay, um, but I know that they. They had the idea. They asked me to come and join the idea. Then we started brainstorming, we started come up with names for, right out, what, how are we gonna make our brand stand out? What's our brand's purpose? You know like, what's our mission statement? What are we gonna do? And we start having so much fun with it too.
Speaker 1:Like a lot of fun, because I was working at 18 t and I just felt like, creatively, I was just plummeting, like I Almost forgot who the fuck I was. Sometimes I would get up and put on the fucking 18 t-shirt and go to work and Then come out of work and go to sleep, to wake up and do the same thing again and the shit was pissing me off. It was driving me crazy. So to have my friend Joey and Hector Kind of push the creative, the creativity, out of me, was special to me. So we came together as a collective group and we started brainstorming. We started coming over ideas of what we're gonna do and what we're gonna become, and it was working out.
Speaker 1:It was, we were, and they were allowing me to have a voice. They were allowing me to have a voice, they're allowing me to be heard, and they were kind of like we would work together to Make sure that each of us were heard in a different way. So me and Joey co-hosted the show and then Hector was always behind the Always behind the scenes, but did an amazing job at all editing and everything. All of it alone. I must say that is one Self-made man. I will give Don Hector that that's a self-made man. Right there. He taught me a lot, but going into the show, I Think me and my, my co-hosts we had different perspectives of how things were going to Go. Mm-hmm, we have Two different visions talking about, and you know what.
Speaker 1:We worked very hard I will say mm-hmm to sit down and meet in the middle, mm-hmm. But we sometimes just it didn't work out different visions, oh be open-minded. Yeah, we had. We had two different. Actually we had we were pushing the same same thing, but the way that we were doing it, we were going and he had his way you had his way and I had my way, and Certain no compromise said bingo, no compromise, even though I do feel like we did have compromise.
Speaker 1:Okay, we did have compromise as a group, but it was just You're setting your way, I'm setting my way. You have your own set beliefs and I have my own set beliefs, mm-hmm. And also, certain things were being said that we was. You know. It was being posted to the internet, which is Something that is always going to be there, and I just wasn't comfortable with certain things being said. So I Will admit that I stopped putting my best foot forward with the other guys and Joey. Joey went on land for Santa con, I believe it's called. Oh yeah, he made a video for Santa con and he did it alone.
Speaker 2:And that's great, that's fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's great content. That shit was funny as fuck. This man put on a onesie and he had on Santa and he was walking around to everybody, everybody in Times Square, talking to them, asking them questions, and he was pushing it, pushing it, pushing it, pushing it, and I Was staying behind the seasons because I feel like my voice was not being heard. And Then rolls had switched. My co-host started taking his personal life. He had personal experiences that came up and he knew that it was time to prioritize. You know that that other things were was time. Yeah, it was time to take care of those other things.
Speaker 1:And then I was ready to put my best foot forward and I'm like I got this, let's do it. But I had a lot of words and no action and I think that Put a lot of discouragement into my cameraman. And Then, when man Joey or once again ready to be back on the same plate, he didn't. It didn't go as once upon a time. And then he also had Other priorities that he wanted to take serious and that he was passionate about. And who am I to tell him not to do that? I push him towards it. Please go do that, push towards it, go do it. Go do what you want to do. There's nothing wrong with that. You are an individual and I like who you are individually becoming.
Speaker 1:So we stopped, we stopped recording and then we tried to, we tried to come up with, we tried to build it back up and it was going. It was going, but I I started, I started creating myself and Once I started to do that, I felt a sense of purpose within myself for the brand and I was passionate about this shit too. I am passionate about it and I had to really think long and hard about the topics that I wanted to touch on. And then, once it started to come to me those taboo topics that everybody seems to kind of be uncomfortable about, whether it be about your sex or my sex, we kind of have an issue talking to each other and looking each other in the eye and saying we're teaching. That's really what it is. It's teaching, teaching each other how we could do something better.
Speaker 2:He showed me this lineup for, like his first coming episodes. Come in soon mind blown Like nobody's talking about that and it's so obvious. Like how is not? How are not more people talking about like these topics?
Speaker 1:You know, it's something that we all go through, you know and it's natural, it's natural to go through all the topics and then, aside from all the topics, I feel like it's kind of an Unnormalized thing for some of the things I want to talk about. Yeah, it's natural, it's natural. You feel me and I. I Think that society has just made it so uncomfortable and just to be human.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is the crazy thing, because it's so natural about everything that we go to. It's a human thing, but yeah, I Don't know, I also. I also feel like it comes with a mindset. It comes with a mindset of a, a person wanting to step on somebody else's toes, so now that person doesn't feel comfortable with expressing and voicing their opinion or voicing what they might be going through.
Speaker 2:It's hard um. You just contradicted yourself. Slightly people on your team had different visions. And how did that work out, isaiah? How did that work out? What are you at now where? No, because, like now, they're still here. They're still here.
Speaker 1:They're still here.
Speaker 2:They're still building individually and nothing wrong with that?
Speaker 1:We actually. So we're still here, and I feel like it comes with knowing what you want to push, because once I started to realized that I had my own agenda, these own topics that I'm passionate about, and I'm passionate about learning about them myself being more enlightened by them, by ones that actually experiencing it, they came back to me and they were ready to support, they were ready to hop back on the team. Oh, really, yeah, oh, that's amazing. Gotta give it to them. That's fire and my man's Hector been a backbone of it. Yeah, all that's fire. I give kudos to him because time and time again, I've told him about it, I've ran the ideas about it, but I haven't put forth that.
Speaker 2:I love that for you. Thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that and he's been there to listen. He's been there to observe, to explain, to teach, to tell me how something can be done better or how you could market yourself better. Price versa, my man's, joey, my co-host, my once upon a time co-host. He was there like yo listen, you know what I'm prioritizing other things in my life, but I'm there for you. I want you to know that. Whatever you need you need me to host an episode, you need me to be behind the camera I'm there. Right, I support it. So we're still there.
Speaker 1:We are still a collective.
Speaker 2:That is amazing. We are a strong collective that have different visions, you have a solid foundation. Like that friendship was like 100% solid and I give it up to Peanut.
Speaker 1:Well, I had Joey to everybody else, but I give it up to him. Because I give it up to him, because it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have never even been introduced to actor Mm.
Speaker 2:Wow, it's crazy how life works.
Speaker 1:Crazy, how life works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even like the other person I was supposed to be on today's panel discussion Episode or whatever he he's been there from the jump, you know, he's seen the grind, he's seen the, he's seen the. He was there for basement videos or I had my phone as a mic and, like he really see, it's good when people see the progression, you know, because I feel like then they just get it more.
Speaker 1:They feel it more. Yeah, and you know what's funny? I think that's been my biggest problem. My biggest problem is realizing that I could start now. I could start with this $900 phone that's in my pocket, paper and pen. Why is that a problem? Why is it a problem? Yeah, in my head. I have no idea. It was the walls I built up in my own head?
Speaker 2:Oh, because you're not actually using it. That's why.
Speaker 1:I'm not actually using it.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's why I'm not actually using it.
Speaker 1:I thought that I needed a cameraman. I need a camera. I needed a studio. That was crazy, though. I needed the best top notch people in the European when you get all these things.
Speaker 2:When you get all these things, you might not even know how to use it. See, I got my brother had gifted me with a camera at first and I was. I didn't even know how to use it Like most of my first videos on YouTube blurry as hell, like I was not in focus, like my head was cut off. I'm just like. You know what I'm posting this Cause like the content is still there.
Speaker 2:You know, and I'm like, over time, gradually, I learned how to work the camera better Still a little shaky, but it's better. And like it's all about the journey. Like not to be corny, it's all about the journey. You know. You could see the progression like, oh wow, this video is actually clear. Wow, so I learned Photoshop, I learned Premier Pro, all because I knew that I needed to learn these things. I'm not going to pay somebody to do this for me. I had to go through the process.
Speaker 1:And that's something that I also have to learn. And you know what? Technically, I'm still learning it. Yeah, for sure, every day is baby steps for me, but it's something that I get to come home and realize a light bulb just went off. I just learned something new. And it's not about practice makes perfect, it's about practice makes improvement. That's really what it comes down to the bottom line of it.
Speaker 2:There's no such thing as perfect. You feel me Cause, even when you Is that why you didn't want to use the phone? Like, why didn't you want to use what you have? Why didn't I want to use what I have? Yeah, was it like an excuse? Like, why, like, why did?
Speaker 1:you I was too busy caught up on. This needs to be perfect. Okay, it needs to be this exact way in my head. The exact way I see it and the exact way I see it in my head is very fucking big, and that comes with a very big budget that Isaiah does not have right now. So, realizing that the power of now and starting right now, right now, is important, it's true, because now all that procrastination led to complacency.
Speaker 2:Now, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean all your words, yeah, All your words. Everything you said where's the action? Yeah, when is?
Speaker 2:it. What are you doing? And now it's like all that waiting for the perfect moment. You missed that spark of like creativity, because I feel like sometimes creativity is coming in spark Like you have to act on it right now, or this is going to be like a fleeting idea or somebody else is going to take it.
Speaker 1:So it's just going to like road.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you wrote out your brain Exactly. I felt that. I felt that on somebody else. And then you're going to see somebody else doing exactly what you wrote out in that journey and be pissed and you're going to be tied as hell and be pissed about it, but I had this written here since 20, like why did I not? Do this you know.
Speaker 1:Agreed, agreed. That brings it back to the power of now, starting right now. Don't wait. Even if you don't have all the resources, the power is in the journey. The power is realizing that a year from now I can look back and be like yo. Once upon a time, all this shit was just in a book. Now I had mics, cameras, a team, computers, more editing skills that I had a year ago. That shit is real. There's power.
Speaker 2:Opportunities, connections.
Speaker 1:Bingo Right there, because that's all it's about yeah, that's really all it's about and realizing that there's power in the journey. Yeah, so buckle up, buckle up and sit down. Buckle up, sit down and enjoy the ride.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's what I realized too is, you know, like new year, everybody like, oh, what's your plan? You know, last year a lot of people were asking, or like the beginning of the year, oh, what's your plan for the new year, what's the plan for the new year? Like, I hate that question. I hate when people ask me that question because I feel like I'm doing everything I can right now. You know, I feel like I'm a person who, when I know I want to do something, I have to do everything right now in my power to live as if I'm already in that moment.
Speaker 1:You know what's so crazy about exactly what you just said. You never heard. The people kind of look down upon the new year, new me, type of thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you know why right.
Speaker 3:No, tell me why, please tell me why.
Speaker 2:People don't understand where it is Bond. People do it for a month and then disappear. There's no discipline in it.
Speaker 1:It's like, oh, it's got next year. I will say that that was my saying for 2024. That ending up 2023, I knew I was going into 2024 with new year, new me, and I meant that on so many different levels.
Speaker 2:Is it so corny to say that? It is kind of corny to say but it's the truth, it really is the truth.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I had to look myself in the mirror and realize yo, you need to kill a couple of things and your personality. You feel me? No, it started there first. Yeah, realizing that you know what, there's a couple of characteristics that I have that need to be slaughtered, and they need to be slaughtered immediately because they are doing nothing but hindering my growth. And once I was able to tell myself the truth, I could realize that I could do everything else. Everything else became a lot easier.
Speaker 2:The hardest part is the clarity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the clarity in the mind that kind of did it for me. Yeah oh shit, I created that wall. That's the wall that I built up five years ago for whatever reason, and I just haven't broken that shit down. So no one else is stopping me but me. And once I realized that, that's when I knew it was game time.
Speaker 2:New year, new me, and that's the hardest part to get to is like some people don't even want to look at themselves in the mirror to even admit that, and that's why it got easier, because I feel like it's the hardest part is to really look at, because sometimes it's ugly and like what have I become? It's ugly, it's nasty.
Speaker 1:The shit made me cry. It made me oh man, realizing that I have no voice of my own. I was so busy conforming and kind of like join groups and pushing their agenda or letting other people speak. For me was like realizing that I'm just giving away my power. I'm giving away the gifts that God has given me. I am not doing anything with all these marbles, all these jewels that he's installed in me, because the kingdom of God is within. So realizing that and owning it is powerful. It is really powerful, and I think once you start to find out who you are, it's easier to find your tribe. It's so much easier to find your tribe because you find like-minded individuals just like you.
Speaker 2:And it's not based off of the mask you're wearing anymore.
Speaker 1:It's now 100% prime marrow. Oh my god, it's now 100% primal self. Take off that mask and look at who you really are, so that others can see who you really are, and the people that need to be around you they're going to want to be around you because you're being yourself and the people that do your growth or not meant for you. They fade away. Where they leave is sometimes really sad, to be honest, the thing about wearing masks.
Speaker 2:That's actually crazy that so much people do go about their lives not doing what they want, or go about their days even just being a version of what they think people want them to be. It's crazy because I feel like it's harder work. In my opinion, it is.
Speaker 2:It is harder work, it's so hard to keep that mask on and it feels lighter when you take it off, when you at home alone, being vulnerable. When you take it off it feels better. So it's like why do people keep falling into that trap of just people pleasing? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Why do people fall into the trap? Because it's an easy trap. It's such an easy trap to fall into and it takes a special individual to look at yourself and realize that I have my own voice and I want to push in. I want my voice to be heard. People pleasing is just an easy tendency.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like I get it. I get it. You want to be likable. You want to make people feel comfortable. You want to help People that are labeled as blunt and honest. They're the person that you don't want to put them in certain rooms because you know that person is going to really tell you how it is. I feel like they're ostracized a lot in society because it's like oh my god, I can't bring this person around. You like people because they're going to tell you the truth and I don't want them to hurt you. Feeling like people are very over sensitive, so when they hear the truth about themselves, it's like oh no, I don't like you. It's like yo, it's just so much fake shit going on. It is the truth sounds so hurtful, it does People been getting their ego stroked For so long.
Speaker 1:I think that comes with realizing that maybe we created, we have been feeding the personality for so long, yeah, and forgetting to feed the soul. Who's? What's been here, what's been here and been here and been here and been here and been here. I can say it again been here. You know me, it's been here way before my 22 years of life. So once I started to realize that, alright, these, these are personality traits. All these things, this, this is working towards the money, this, working towards Having a name, this, this being popular, all of that, like that's, it's a personality thing, it's really personality thing, because that then in the day, what can I take with me when I'm Done?
Speaker 3:when that, when this?
Speaker 1:timeline of me is done. What am I leaving with?
Speaker 2:and I think people more so remember don't remember your Personality as much as they remember how you made them feel, and I think that comes from the soul it does.
Speaker 1:Yeah it does once you start to feed your soul, your fault and you let your soul lead you. Like I said earlier, people, people sense it, people, they hear it, they see it, they feel it like it's just like it's so warming it is, it is, it makes sure it makes your heart tingle. It makes your heart tingle. It's like oof, this is nice, this is this. It's nice to know that there's someone else out there that that things like me. You know that that is authentic. That's not doing it for the views and the likes.
Speaker 2:They're doing it because it makes it so happy.
Speaker 1:It's them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's who they are. We need to do more things. I make our soul happy.
Speaker 1:I think first we need to find out the difference between personality and soul, or eagle and soul. Once a lot of people can do that and kind of individually Scope and pick out. All right, well, I know that this is my soul and this is a part of my soul.
Speaker 2:What's the?
Speaker 1:difference. I feel like ego self. Ego self is more of.
Speaker 2:Is it like how people perceive you in a way?
Speaker 1:yes it perceive you and the hierarchy that you hold yourself to.
Speaker 2:You know this chip on how you want to be perceived.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this chip on the shoulder and and you're all that because you did this. Now, okay, no, I really feel like I learned this from very special person. Ego is easing God out so it stands for, and the more you go along with it, you kind of disassociate from reality. You know that's when you start to become selfish in a negative way.
Speaker 2:That's what they talk about. Inflated ego, right? Yes. Yes so what's the difference with that, with soul, now with soul.
Speaker 1:Soul is purposeful. It does things out of intention. Soul believes in karmic energy. You know, what you put out is what you'll get back.
Speaker 1:It's like an essence yeah, yeah, it is an essence, it's, it's, it's a, it's a way of Thinking, a way of speaking, so that you, you know that you don't have to bash nobody else's head, but you can sit there and still be yourself and still let that other person be they self and we can collaborate together and still work together and still be you and I, still be me, and just speaking from a sense of wholeness, not the traumatic experiences that, unfortunately, sometimes lives gives us, realizing that people, people, are still people and we are always getting hurt. You know me like it, at the end of the day, is it's kind of like picking your pain, because I feel, I strongly believe, that Life is nothing but painful shit.
Speaker 2:There's. There's a book called mastery of self by Huh, who is it? By Paulo cello, somebody.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Um, so basically ask who watch, by the way, thank you. Basically in the book they describe all shout out to granny. God bless, mm-hmm. That's a piece. Um, basically he explains the ego like this you're looking into a mirror right and Basically, the mask, which is the ego. At times it is the ego, the mask. You're looking in the mirror and it's foggy. You can't see yourself.
Speaker 2:No clarity, no clarity with up and these are like the he explains it as parasites almost like these are like parasites telling you Good. It's telling you good things to boost the ego, but at the same time it's feeding you like negative things to make you want to keep the ego right and Then, when you take off that mask, take like step out of your ego. The mirror, the mirror, the fog from the mirror clears and you're able to actually see yourself and like hope. I'm explained it right, but I understand, yeah, where you're coming from. It was just interesting the way he explained it. What's? What's the name of the author? Again, honestly, the right thing. I don't want to. I don't want to tell the people wrong information. I'm gonna tell you right now. Yeah, this is like my favorite book outside of the alchemist.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've actually never read the alchemist. I always hear a whole bunch of stuff about it and I heard that the author is amazing. He means he's the one that made the mastery of love, I believe yeah. The no, no, no, no Mastery of love.
Speaker 2:No, excuse me. Oh, don Miguel Ruiz Jr, he made the master your love as well copy.
Speaker 1:He's the one that made the four agreements. Yes okay, okay, okay, yes, thank you, thank you, thank you. How do you my mind right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, um Don Miguel Ruiz Jr.
Speaker 1:You know, another book that also really put things in perspective for me, mm-hmm, and learning more about the ego self in the soulful self, mm-hmm, and letting soul step forward. For you, is this book called um? Oh my god, it's by Gary Zerkhoff and it's called the seat of the soul.
Speaker 2:A little bit good book.
Speaker 1:Okay, good book. I'm actually still currently reading. I'm on the chapter about intention, this sense of like power that I get from reading the book and more and learning more about the way that Mrs Zerkhoff thinks about life and he he comes worth with it, about Learning the difference between the two doing things out of purpose and with intention, because once you start to do that, you start to realize that you are you're letting your soul lead, letting your soul, letting God lead and God is within you. Wrong with that? God is within you, yeah.
Speaker 2:Anything on your heart, on your soul, you want to get off anything on my heart, on my soul.
Speaker 1:I want to get off. Thank you. I. I want to say thank you to Deja and I really appreciate you for it's starting out as me hitting you up and asking you Can I be behind the scenes and just take note? I really just wanted to, to learn, I wanted to be taught about the discipline I see you have, and Then that changed and once we got a chance to sit down and speak and kind of Throw energy back and forth at each other, mm-hmm, you saw something. You saw something. I don't know what that something is, but you saw something come on clearly and you clearly felt something.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it is but you saw something and you felt something. Yeah, and I appreciate that. Yeah, I truly do appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Like you were talking about all. Can I like sweep up on set when things are done? Like no, like I'm Never that, because, like, once you told me what you want to do, I'm like, so why would I have you do that? You know what I mean. I'm gonna help, I'm gonna feed, like I'm gonna water you. You're watering me.
Speaker 1:What are?
Speaker 2:you. Yeah, so yeah, thank you for joining me, thank you for your insight, thank you for your energy, your presence Thank you.
Speaker 2:Let's the podcast. If you listen to the end of another episode, I appreciate you. Like you really came to the end like, oh my god, I love that for you. Like, yeah, the whole thing is like that's great. Like you listed a whole thing, like that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, like you really love yourself. I know I could tell, I can tell you. Shout out to you, shout out to you. You are better up to you, you are great. Look at me right here, right here, right here, right here, you you, you, you're awesome.
Speaker 1:Don't forget that have a great day, you know. Have a great day, have a great night, wherever you're watching it from. Yeah, because this is international baby. Yeah, have a blessed, mr Borowat, I have a blessed day, and don't forget to tell a friend.
Speaker 2:Tell a friend, mother, that is mind over matter, baby oh.