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It's 'Tea Time', we invite you to a brand new segment where spirituality and devotion meet. Kirstie and I share how our walk with the Lord is going, the power of secular music and much more.
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DEJA @deja.waja
And they've lost themselves and they've lost their moral and value system. And I think that's where the Lord has been bringing us through is he's restoring all of the things that we know that are foundational truths, because the world is trying to destroy anything that's foundationally true, or anything that is true. They're trying to say two plus two is five and we're not with it, like at all.
Speaker 3:Two plus two is four, it is four, four and it's always gonna be four. And a girl is a girl and a boy is a boy. Whoa, she went there with it. I do magic. 18.
Speaker 1:18 we're on air. This is tea time. Tea time. Oh wait, hold on, the tea bike's still in there. It's tea time. That's what we're gonna say at a time like something happens. It's like cheers.
Speaker 2:You're so disrespectful cheers, so grab your tea, kick back, relax and let's get into this episode. I'm going to be talking in a very calming voice for this episode because I just feel like that's appropriate, because we have tea.
Speaker 1:Chamomile tea. Chamomile tea With lavender, With lavender like ultimate duo. So you know it's giving late at night, you know yeah but, not that no not that type of late at night like you see your mind.
Speaker 2:No, my mind is not in the gutter.
Speaker 1:No, my mind is not in the gutter. We want to set a different tone because when people think about late night talks, they think about certain things. So I gotta be real right. Yeah, not everyone thinks about late night talks in the way that me and deja does. Late night talks, our late night talks, is just decompressing about the world life and how grateful we are that god has spared us, saved us and kind of like change our lives and we normally have like it's so funny because normally people do devotions in the morning, we do our own personal thing in the morning, but we really I think we do a lot of devotions at night.
Speaker 2:We do, yeah we do our devotions my non-christianites who don't know what devotions are. It's just motivational self-talk that most people would put at the top of their day, like in the morning, but I feel like we mainly do it at the end of our days yeah, and I would describe it more as like devotion is like our devoting.
Speaker 1:Devotion is like a form of worship, so we're, we're devoting this time to god and just, I think, at the end of the day, what we do is we recap okay, I think I'm saying more.
Speaker 2:So what we get from it, yeah, what it is, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like we, we enjoy that time and it's the most powerful, to be honest, because when I wake up after our devotions at night, I just feel so amazing. Yeah, and when I wake up it's like we do be high for Jesus.
Speaker 1:We be high off of Jesus and in the mornings we do worship. We play more music in the morning to me than I know. We play more music in the morning to me than I know. Yeah, I do more of that because the daily prophetic utterance big up, pastor robert clancy, trust me like you, keep us going in terms of the utterances that you be issuing out. I'm so grateful for them in the mornings. Obviously, listening to prophetic words or listening to utterances do not replace the Bible, because we know that sometimes it can be so easy to be reliable on talks. Yeah, so your Bible reading time is good.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, I want to get into, like, what we're talking about on this episode. I wouldn't even call it an episode, I want to call it segments, all right, ok, awesome, these are like little segments just to. I don't know I feel like sometimes these, the podcast episodes, can kind of just feel like work at times, and the more I'm doing it, the more I'm getting away from that essence. I feel, like of how I first started, where it was like people got to know me. For me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, that one was like this was like y'all don't know what I've been going through. I've been so structured, I think exactly I think with this and this is like where I'm inviting you into our home. I live here now.
Speaker 2:I live here with deja. You didn't have to know, this is my home. Well, well, now they okay but, yeah, like it's.
Speaker 1:It's, to be honest, like this is more intimate. And you're not working off of a schedule, you're not inside of a studio, you don't have big lights, oh my god, all of that other stuff on you. Yeah, and you don't. Yeah, and you don't have to be. You know, this is intimate, versus like your guests, you're bringing them on to hear their perspective and stuff like that, and no matter what nobody say, you can say, oh, just be yourself. We're not going to be yourself with someone that we just don't know first impression you're gonna want to put on this. Um, that's what it is. Yeah, this show, and it's like you're not able to to be deja, like you're being Deja, but it's like a performance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like my trying to put on my best, you know, to be likable. Yeah, to be likable, wow, but tea time, I just want to just Tea time. I feel like I don't have to please my audience as much, which is not to sound selfish, but I'm just trying to please myself first. Yeah, before I please my audience. Yeah, yeah, but I also want to just talk about today. Let's talk about like faith, because I did make that big leap of faith into my Christian walk Instead of my Christian walk officially, official, official in December Got baptized. Big, big, big step. For me it wasn't even like something I really, really was dying to do, but it just felt right in that moment.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean for sure and as someone that walked with you, um, through that, it's just, it's amazing to see your advancement in the Lord during that time, because that was in December. We're now in April, going into May, and just the growth and the change in just like the change in attitude, the change in interest. We're also on like a 30-day secular music fast where we've just been listening to and I would say more so, conscious music, right, more so conscious.
Speaker 1:I'll say the first 13 days was just worship yeah, and then after that I just conscious, conscious yeah, because we don't want to become persons, that because we're living in the world I think we've spoke about that before we're living in the world, we're not of the world, but it can't say that certain things that we enjoy are sinful, you know, and um, in the bible, paul talks about that, like you know. I don't really know the exact verse, but it talks about, um, the different restrictions that people put on food, the different restrictions that people put on this, and that it can become very daunting. And I think, ultimately, um, it talks about holiness too. Ultimately, everything that we do is an act of worship.
Speaker 1:And even in you, even in you saying, all right, this type, certain types of music I'm not gonna listen to because it's not glorifying to god, obviously, number one, anything that's saying boom, boom, boom, as in shots fired, or twerk, bow, or yeah, yeah, or like um skin out, or you know, yeah, or all that different type of stuff. I mean, the thing is with it, and I think riza islam spoke about this and he was like it's just catchy, but, and it's obviously what's pushed the 808 beats, yeah, like whatever is pushed by by um media, whatever is pushed by that stuff, but you really don't realize what that's doing to your soul, and music affects your mood. We talks about frequency, all that other stuff, and I've been learning more about that, that side of things, and I'm realizing how music really makes you feel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how music makes you feel it's more so like how things lately, ever since I did like my full baptism and commitment to my faith, it's all been about how things make me feel and it's not in like, like a temporary feeling, how my soul feels, like it's something that's in set right in my soul. Like if I can't repeat this to a child you know what I mean Like if I'm not, if I don't feel confident listening to this music in every single setting and space. I'm hiding parts of myself from different people and nothing's wrong with that. But I don't want to live where I'm not fully transparent about who I am yeah, and you said something very powerful.
Speaker 1:You said I don't really want to be listening to anything that I wouldn't play in front of a child. That in itself is very powerful, because, think about it what do you listen to, like? You have your headphones on. This is the headphone era. Everybody has a pair of headphones whether it's airpods, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1:That's that era. Right, that is in your ear. So you think that there's some form of privacy with that. But what if that was to be played out loud? Because some people, like I, can say what if your playlist was to be played in church? And for those of you that don't go to church, that example, that deja give, was like superb. Like could you play your playlist in front of a three-year-old child or a 10-year-old child? Like could you literally play some people?
Speaker 2:will. Some people will some people will.
Speaker 1:Some people tea time, tea time, some people will. Okay, I think now this is, this is. This is going where I would like this to go. This is ultimately going where I would like this to go. Thank you for saying that. Um, wow, that just ignited the parent in me. Yeah, and not everybody's a good parent deja, thank you for bringing that up, because people gonna say I'm preaching and that's fine, because don't, it doesn't matter don't even put no disclaimer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I put in a disclaimer, I'm gonna say what I'm saying with my chest I'm gonna say this with my chest right.
Speaker 1:There's a little bible song that I always used to remember and it says oh, be careful, little eyes what you see. Oh, be careful, little ears what you hear, because there's a father up above looking down with tender love. Or be careful, little ears what you hear, because there's a father up above looking down with tender love. Or be careful, little eyes and ears what you see. And when you said that, that was the first thing that came to my mind and I just want parents to understand this, or anyone that's watching this that has young kids.
Speaker 1:I used to play all kind of foolishness right around my child and stuff like that. And my journey and one of the things that Deja and I has been talking about, is becoming more conscious and becoming more aware, and specifically with children. They are sponges. They are sponges and sometimes you're doing it because you grew up in that, like we grew up in the Caribbean, and we know dancehall, we know reggae, we know all of that stuff. A lot of these songs are very plunges and sometimes you're doing it because you grew up in that, like we grew up in the caribbean, and we know dancehall, we know reggae, we know all of that stuff.
Speaker 2:A lot of these songs are very explicit and children are singing them and some children know them better than they know their schoolwork and it's like sometimes, when I sing these songs when I'm older, I'm like wait, that's what they'll sing like, wait, that's what that was saying. Like, head down, kill him with a. No, I did not know she was talking about giving fellatio, exactly, I did not know that and I was singing that.
Speaker 3:Or under the sycamore tree.
Speaker 2:It was under the sycamore tree, yeah, so I didn't know that I'm singing that as a five-year-old, a four-year-old even, and it's like. I also think of this video that went viral a while ago now. It was of Cardi B and her daughter, culture had came in the living room when she was listening to WAP on the TV and you should have seen how quick she flew to turn that TV off, like she moved like so fast, girl, like Exactly, like a roach just turned on the light on a roach, bro, she was out Exactly.
Speaker 1:And she made that song. You see, this is where it goes back to RZA Islam and and I think we should put in his clip so people can see the section that I'm talking about, because it's so vital for people to see that because she wouldn't want her child. She's basically saying I don't want my child to be like me. Why is it that you wouldn't want your child to be like you? Because you obviously know the things that you have been through. You know the things that you had to do right and you know the experiences that you had. You don't the possible. That lifestyle promotes debauchery, drinking, drunkenness. It promotes orgies. She's openly talk about orgies. She's openly talk about sex with man and woman. It promotes, you know, a sexuality driven um lifestyle over sexualization, over, yeah, over sexualization. Promiscuity, yeah, promiscuosity, all of those things. And it's like she's looking at culture and she's like, oh my goodness, like no, no, no, no. Let me turn this off because she knows the power of kids in repetitiveness and music.
Speaker 2:She knows what it does because, like I I was talking about this earlier with you that kids their subconscious is way clearer. It's way more clear than ours, like we've been through a lot, so our subconscious is very full and it takes us longer to unlearn things, while kids are like sponges. They spoke, they soak up things and their subconscious is not as cluttered as ours. So when they receive stuff it really sits there in their subconscious like it really marinates and they receive it in a different way than how we receive it. So if we're watching the same cartoon that they're watching, they will have subliminal messages that will hit them different than it would have hit us I think every time you talk about this, a new rule pops up in my head for me, my son, and I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker 1:Like, I mean for real not to gash you because you're my cousin, but I think your years of yeah, your years of experience with children and just your wisdom with where you are as someone that is not a mother, yet I'm going to say yet, um, I know that's what this generation needs to hear.
Speaker 1:That's what this generation needs to hear because they need to realize even the people that they bring around their kids, even the way that they act as an adult, all of that stuff they're mimicking that, they're following that and you're raising the next set of people in society. And the fact that you just said that makes me realize why they target kid shows now, why they target imaging and all of that stuff. And it's made me. People are gonna call me like a radical christian and that's okay, don't what. It doesn't matter what people call you.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm just, and I I want to say that because there's going to be people that are listening to this and I want them to open up, to stop being like we go back to what we talked about in what um. We went to brandon lake concert last night. It was so amazing and he spoke about being lukewarm and I think that I want to bring that up where it's like I'm considered radical because Noah cannot watch certain stuff Like people be, like, oh, you're restricting the child from this or you're restricting him from that.
Speaker 1:I screen everything my son watches. Everything is screen invented screen. Everything my son watches, everything is screen embedded. And I um, there's different websites and stuff that I follow, even with foods and different things like that that I follow to ensure, as soon as they pick up anything that's woke about a tv program, I switch him off of it and he's watching something different and I, I keep, I try to keep it.
Speaker 1:You know, obviously I don't want him to miss out on other things, but certain things I'm just not playing around about, which is the things that he take in, the things that he listen to and, most recently, the things that he eat. I think God has just definitely been opening me up to a different mind, body and soul for him and for myself, because if I didn't make this change, I couldn't make a change for him, because that's what I started to do in Cayman, like I started to change up his diet, change up everything for him, and then I wasn't changing my soul, like, even though I was saved and believing in the Lord and following the Lord, there was things that God needed to take away from me because I was saved and believing in the Lord and following the Lord. There was things that God needed to take away from me. Because I was still holding on to it, because it was a form of entertainment, yeah, and it's like you're afraid to let it go.
Speaker 2:That's really what's going to kill our generation slowly. Is the entertainment industry that right there is going to give us like a slow death where we just walk around like zombies, because it's like to the point where, all right, I haven't been listening to secular music, so this is music with any like anything. That isn't how to make it like. I'm trying to make it in simple terms, like secular music is basically music that is raunchy, you know, and also, if you like, go like all right, I haven't listened to anything willingly.
Speaker 2:I've heard stuff, you know, because I'm in new york city. You hear stuff blasting on stereos or you come across something on somebody's feet or timeline right, and when I hear the lyrics, I'm just like I really hear the lyrics. Now. You'm just like I really hear the lyrics. Now. You know what I mean. It's like fasting. When you fast and then you eat again, it's like you really Taste the food. You really taste the food, and that's what music is Food for our soul. It's food for our soul. Even when I'm in a dollar van on my way to work, I hear them blasting. Just dancehall nowadays. I'm just like blasting. Just like you know, just dancehall nowadays. I'm just like yo. People really listen to this and if you really dissect the lyrics, you'll see why I say our culture is going to have a slow death.
Speaker 1:The lyrics is literally a reflection of your, your reality deja, like I could listen to you forever and ever, because that is what I have been preaching. I have gotten to a point where I don't care. I really don't care anymore about certain things, but that specific genre of music is destroying the country in which it came out of, and I say that in terms of I have heard lyrics that promote scamming. I have heard lyrics that promote violence against women. Obviously, we've always had that and most recently, a popular trend and it's been around for a very long while is music that promotes the occult, and that's one that I don't put up with demonic music, music that promote witchcraft, music promoting oh, I did this witchcraft to get this and I, I did this witchcraft to hold that person down, and I'm like you're sick, that's sick, that's. You are now singing about what you did. So, because you sing about what you did somebody else, that's going through something instead of them going to God and praying about it, or instead of them letting it go and forgiving that person.
Speaker 2:I recorded the whole time 22 minutes.
Speaker 1:It's so wonderful. It's's the devil he's a liar.
Speaker 2:No, I just haven't done this in a while and I'm doing bad when did you? Figure that out just now, when I didn't see the, when I didn't see the channels. Oh man, that was so good. I mean because you still go and use the camera audio. You sure I didn't like the camera audio. You wanna start from the top?
Speaker 1:You wanna hear how it sounds, let's hear how it sounds. We good like that, though Good from that angle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hey, welcome back To our show. Sorry for the brief disruption, but but back to regular schedules. Programming Tea time tea time.
Speaker 1:So we're back. We were speaking about music, the power of music and obviously our faith. Our faith and I think I was just a little bit ranting about the lyrics from Dancehall and just the effect that that has had on the culture there and, like I said, they are literally. It's almost like Dancehall is doing a bit of trap now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because the lyrics are repetitive and, yeah, in terms of the 808 and the trap beats like, especially the messaging. Back to the messaging. When you think of demon timing that has been very prevalent in the hip-hop and rap music. Trap music where trap music is a subgenre of demon timing is very popular and you go to these festivals and you go to these concerts and you were actually literally witnessing rituals happening right in front of your eyes and you and it's like people be so drunk and high at these places that they just throw all their morals out the window.
Speaker 1:Completely.
Speaker 2:It's like your favorite rapper could say I love the devil. Everybody raise your hands and shout. If you have the devil and you out there raising your hands and shouting, it's gotten to that point.
Speaker 1:It is a place of complete lack of self-awareness and they've lost themselves and they've lost their moral and value system. And I think that's where the lord has been bringing us through, is he's restoring all of the things that we know that are foundational truths, because the world is trying to destroy anything that's foundationally true, or anything that is true.
Speaker 1:They're trying to say two plus two is five and we're not with it, like at all two plus two is four, it is four and it's always going to be four, and a girl is a girl and a boy is a boy well, she went there with it. You know, I went there because I you know and you can post this and I am that's it, of course, and as a christian, it's very important not to be lukewarm, because the fact that you are uncomfortable, or anybody is uncomfortable, making those statements in 2024 tells you that there is something fundamentally wrong yes, that we that our children are being targeted, our faith is being targeted, our music is being targeted, just everything is being poisoned and polluted.
Speaker 1:And to speak of faith, I think this is something where anyone of faith because, for example, I'm a christian and I listen to riza islam, right um, he's islamic, he's a muslim, but that doesn't mean there's not things and principles and values that he holds to. Yeah, that I don't hold to, I hold to them as well.
Speaker 1:We may not agree on the same thing religiously, but foundational truths about life, those are just truths Like you can't get around them, you can't escape them. You can't go through something else and say this is what it is, and we're just going towards a societal collapse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I feel like us as a collective, we're all starting to feel it like something like it's ending. I don't know if it's the world, I don't know if it's society as we know it, but things are coming to an end. I know that we feel it because I know I'm not the only one, because these movies on Netflix, most of them is talking about the world ending. That is not a coincidence.
Speaker 1:Programming.
Speaker 2:It's not a coincidence. It's giving doomsday. It's giving robots about to take over.
Speaker 1:Literally we're seeing it out when we go in person more self-checkouts, that's always been but we we're seeing less of actual human resource as an actual human resource like physical people, bodies, people doing things yeah they're kind of just taking that away from us, and I think what happens in a society like that is people are going to find other interests. And are the interests that people are going to find, is it going to be something productive, and when?
Speaker 3:I say productive?
Speaker 1:I mean not just to produce something, but productive in terms of danger for themselves. Is it going to be more harmful, like, for example, sucking people into a virtual reality, taking people away from what they're actually feeling? And that's another thing too, that, as a person of faith, one of the things that the church is facing.
Speaker 2:But I could. I could argue with that, because there's always been formed to escapism in our society, always that take us away from our feelings people always going to try to escape, because that in itself is human nature yeah
Speaker 1:but to a virtual world. I think that's dangerous, like you can escape. But you see, the thing is, I think for some people it's not and I think that's for in for intelligent people or for people that will not get sucked in is great. But for the person that's already suffering with depression or suffering with overeating and stuff like that, you're not going to want to get up from around a video game or all of that other stuff, to get up and go eat or to exercise or to do other stuff or to participate in society. Or a person that's heavily addicted to pornography or other stuff, because you've created this virtual world and your virtual girlfriend and all of that stuff.
Speaker 1:You're never gonna go out there and go and meet someone that can actually be beneficial, meaning to you. How beautiful wonderful kids continue creation, continue life. It's like we're doing everything anti-human right now anti-god anti-god, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Anti-human, and it's like we've gotten to the point where we aren't even we just like. It's a lot of self-glorification, it's a lot of people just not even paying homage where it's due. They think everything is of their own will, of their own power, and that's why you see this generation getting into a lot of yoga, a lot of and we're gonna break that down because I used to be a yoga like, I used to do yoga, like used to do these little things. I thought, oh, it's just easing my mind, but when you look into the history of it, it's glorifying self it's glorifying self.
Speaker 1:It's glorifying self and actually yoking yourself with the gods and Hinduism.
Speaker 2:And you're not even Hindu. So what are you doing?
Speaker 1:Exactly, you're not. But you see, the thing is right. Anything that's trendy, and I think people need to look at that, Like what's the origin of this?
Speaker 1:And there's so many things that people will bash and say oh yeah that christians do this and that's pagan and the christmas tree and all of that stuff, and rightfully so. Point it out. If you have to call it out and I like that, like you know point it out and call it out, because this is, this is how we learn, this is how we grow by having these discussions. And for myself, it's very hard to talk to people about yoga because it's so normalized. They automatically think oh yeah, you're one of those religious persons and you know, and they cut you off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and let me tell you about, like, my experience now Yesterday at the worship concert, because that was a very pivotal moment in my walk in faith, because that was a very pivotal moment in my walk in faith. So, honestly, like you spoke about being a lukewarm Christian and ever since I got fully confidently, you know, got baptized and claimed myself as a Christian woman, I feel like you have encouraged me a lot to not stay lukewarm. You know, you say, play your worship music, deja, play it out loud. I'm playing it out. Work on the speakers. You know, and I'm doing things that if it wasn't for your encouragement, I would.
Speaker 2:I would have shied away from and I know a lot of people are shying away from just wholeheartedly saying I love Jesus Christ. A lot of people are shying away from it and of course, that's due to like just the stigma, the stigma that comes with that and also that comes with that, and also I feel like I do it here and there. You know what I mean. But, like I said, you've been encouraging me to speak confidently of my, about my faith, and just by like my like continuously repeating routines and incorporating God into my everyday routine has helped me to like speak confidently and reading the word. And last night was a very pivotal moment. We went to a worship concert Brandon Lake. But while I was there right, of course, you were more familiar with brandon lake than I am you introduced me to him and his music and you were like you, like I love brandon lake. Ah, he's so fine.
Speaker 1:But girl, she let out my secret. Right, she let out my secret. You're saying the man is married, he married no, no, of course, of course I know, but I just want to put that out there for everyone.
Speaker 2:But he's married to his beautiful wife and he loves her and they got kids so yeah, but yeah, so you introduced me to him, so you were way like hype. You were really hype and of course I'm trying to match energy yeah I thought my phone was ringing.
Speaker 2:Of course I was trying to match energy, you know, and be like, yeah, brandon lake, brandon lake. But I don't do things like that. I don't feel right in my soul. I'm saying all of that to say, while we at the concert, cursey is worshiping. She does not shy away from letting Jesus know how much she loves her Him and she's like Hallelujah.
Speaker 3:Hallelujah, praise the Lord.
Speaker 2:And like, of course, like there's a part of me that's like, oh my God, you're bringing so much intention, You're so embarrassing. But then, like there's also a part of me that's like, damn, I wish I could be like that, you know, like I wish I could like be that strong and confident in my faith. But there's like a tug-of-war with these two versions of myself, where I'm like man, I wish I could just worship God so unapologetically. I wish I could just worship God so unapologetically. But why do you think people are so scared to show the public their faith? They want to keep it a secret and stay in the secret place.
Speaker 1:Thank you for that right.
Speaker 2:Because, rejection.
Speaker 1:Rejection is a massive thing. As to why you see people hold it in fear of rejection as well as okay, remember before you were christian. Whenever you heard christians or when you heard christian music or you saw christian people, didn't you say to yourself cringe yeah, exactly for sure, right so people know that in their subconscious, that that is how people feel about christians.
Speaker 1:So because of that they they hide who they are, because they don't want to be judged, fear for being judged. And I can tell you a bible verse I don't know exactly where it is, but I know it's in the new testament and jesus says if you deny me before men, I will deny you before the father. And I think in my life I know what god has brought me through. I have a powerful testimony. I know I know the things that god has brought me through. So let me tell you one thing I know when nobody was there for me, like I get a little emotional sorry. When nobody was there for me, god was there for me. And when nobody was there for me, like I get a little emotional sorry. When nobody was there for me, god was there for me. And when nobody was there for me and my son, god was there for me. And even though I felt that way, people were still there for me. It's just the lies from the enemy that he comes in your head and he tells you.
Speaker 1:He literally whispers to you oh you know, don't we gonna worship that loud Like you? Don't need to praise God that way, because if you praise God.
Speaker 1:That way you're being extra and it's like no, like I know from the depths of my soul who has done the most for me, and it's like worthy is the lamb, regardless of God did anything for me. He still exists before creation. So it's like just reverence to him and that's the least and that's what the song said. So I'll throw up my hands and praise you again and again, because all that I have is a hallelujah, because sometimes I don't have it to give the lord as in like monetarily. Like you know, that's just a form of tithing or other and there's different ways to tithe right.
Speaker 1:So I know that I may not have it like monetarily right now to like say, give into the church or or give towards other people, but what I can do is I can give him my praise and I can tell other people about him. And another story is the lady at the well, when jesus told her that you're you're being made whole, you know, and go and sin no more and samaritan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's your favorite story yeah, and she just went and tell everybody and I guarantee you that, like back then, she held worship at her house and she was running around the house screaming and jumping and shouting and praising the lord. And I understand that everybody has a different style of worship and I think it matches my personality too. Like you know, I'm loud and I'm outgoing, so my way of worshiping the lord is I don't, I don't praise, I can't stomp my feet, I can't jump, I need to jump out of my seat. Um, with some of those songs and even the lady in front of us that, the spanish lady she kept saying hallelujah, hallelujah, and I just loved it. Every time she said hallelujah I felt it in my body and everyone else that was there.
Speaker 2:They felt it too when I want to compare this walk of faith right now too is like being in the gym, because people are different on different levels when they're in the gym. Some people are, they don't even need a warm-up, they just go straight to it and they're good. They over there lifting weights, they walked out pumped and they're good. Some people they can't even. They have to stretch and they have to time they self, they have to pace their self, they have to build up the momentum mentally before they even try the plates. And it's like because people are on different levels. But I always notice that when I'm working out in the gym with somebody who's more advanced, I'm bound like it's inevitable. I'm going to do more than what I would do if I was alone, and that's that's how I feel, like with this walk in my faith right now is that if I was alone, I would not be doing half the things that I'm doing now you know, what you just said is that.
Speaker 1:So the Bible says that iron sharpens iron. And that's why it's so important as a Christian, why you shouldn't be isolated and alone. Right, Because there's things that we can bounce off of each other.
Speaker 1:There's ways that you can hold me accountable, and I just want people to know that your faith is not measured in years and it's not measured in the amount of time that you've been a christian. Right, because, deja, you have advanced to a place that most people that go to church every single sunday have not advanced to, and that's because of and this is nothing to do with- me, it's true I do not want to claim this. I am just a vessel that the lord is god to help you in the holy spirit.
Speaker 1:I mean, you read a piece of scripture. You're going through genesis right now and through that, like you were able to like quote back something to me and I was like, whoa god, like you're what I quoted back you were talking about the sodom and gomorrah stuff and you were describing it and you were describing abraham and you were describing the situation between abraham and lot yeah when he moved um, when he, you know, when god separated them, yeah, yeah, even in that separation.
Speaker 1:Abraham was still begging god for mercy yeah for them and he's like, oh my gosh, my cousin is is down there. Um, I think they were cousins or in these and I mean yeah, they were relatives, yeah they were relatives, right? Um, so just in that, like deja, there's plenty of people that don't know that story and they go church every single sunday and it's like going to church is, if it's, a good thing because it's a form of fellowship right, yeah but we cannot just let church be a circus act or a performance or any of that anymore.
Speaker 2:We have to get back to, or a daily routine, just to check off routine we have to get back to like our weekly routine.
Speaker 1:We have to get back to like foundational truths, like are we actually teaching people scripture or because the scriptures is what you're gonna need and we see that, sorry, we see that through life and this is why you need to start seven Miles of Grace back up and come off of your little break, because I would have never opened up the Bible.
Speaker 2:I would have never opened up the Bible if it wasn't for this book right here, this holy Bible right here. I would have never opened up the bible ever and it comes with it it comes with a cute cap, oh, oh oh I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not capping wow, the devil broke it. Sorry I need to change those little things I want you to repeat it so that we can cut that part out.
Speaker 2:I would have never, ever, opened up the Bible if it wasn't for this, ever Like, absolutely not. And the little kit with the highlighters. This is a journal and a Bible, and it breaks down the scripture in simple terms. It doesn't use the hair ye, hair ye, the old English. It uses words that you can comprehend and it's easy to read and flow and you don't have to keep pausing, pausing, pausing. It makes sense, and Kirstie has made thousands. I could say how many of these do you have? Hundreds, probably about hundreds. Hundreds Soon be thousands. When this is out, it's going to be thousands. She's made so many Bibles.
Speaker 1:I haven't made them. I purchased them for resale, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She has made these Bibles accessible to the public, and you know how important this was in my walk of faith, because I always said I want to read the Bible but I just can't understand, I can't get into it. And this made me really get into it. I'm highlighting, I'm taking notes, I and this made me really get into it. Like, I'm highlighting, I'm taking notes, I'm writing what I think about it at the side, and it has really just made my walk of faith just more interesting, like something that I want to do. It doesn't feel like a task or a chore.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Seven Miles of Grace has really been the catalyst of you know, know me really committing to reading the word. Well, thank you, thank you for that. Yeah, that was, that was divine, and I'm never gonna take credit for it.
Speaker 1:I'm always gonna say, god, thank you of course using me as a vessel to bring that to you. And, well, like, I just feel amazed by in, just in awe at the goodness of god, because it's a transformation of my life, because if people know who I was before to who I am now, it's like it, it could only be the holy spirit, it could only be god, like, and I went from having a tattoo shop, you know, went from all that I went from all of that to serving god like sold out for him, completely sold out like yeah to the point where I break down sermons and I don't do this to.
Speaker 1:I psychoanalyze a lot of things, right, I psychoanalyze a lot of things and I'm very adamant about the truth and I'm very adamant about leadership in what people portray right In, specifically, church leadership and other stuff like that. I've been called so many other things for calling out stuff and she'd be stuff and she'd be yo. She'd be spot on it's crazy her discernment through the roof and I'm praying about that discernment too, because, I'm like lord, you've given me this very powerful discernment.
Speaker 1:Help me to use it in a way that uplifts and builds because I tend to be somebody that I will destroy you with facts and I need to learn how to use those facts to not destroy the person, but to expose. Expose them in a way that makes them want to repent. Not everyone is going to repent right, and repent means to turn from, because I know when you hear that word it sounds like a bad word, but we need to bring that word back. Honest to God, we need to bring that word back Repent.
Speaker 1:But I say that to say I'm just going to use this as an example. I'm not going to go into too much details, but I heard a pastor. I heard a pastor talk about people being Christian nationalists. I heard a pastor say that they're trying to take away lgbtq plus rights and they're trying to take away women's right. Women's right is abortion right and other stuff like that. I want people to understand that.
Speaker 1:Nowhere in the bible did god okay for us, as women, to abort our babies right and this is not to condemn women that have, because we've all fall short. There's things that they're skeletons in almost everybody's closet. I, as a mother, I can't support it. To say that I didn't support it before coming to the lord. Of course I was the massive feminist, you know. So of course I supported it and all of that stuff.
Speaker 1:But when you're a pastor and you're in a leadership role, the hardest conversation you have to have is with a young woman that's faced with an unwanted pregnancy and she wants to throw it away. How do you then minister to her if you're getting up on a platform and you're saying that, oh, they're trying to strip women of these certain rights? In the bible it spoke about, and I think tiffany touched on this. She touched on moloch, the god, where they would, you know, sacrifice the babies too and all of this stuff, because people don't realize a lot of these things that we see in modern day today. There's nothing new under the sun. All of these things happened back then. It's it's making noise, sorry it's good now.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay all of these things happen back then. It's just playing back out on the earth now in different forms and the unborn, the tears and the in the cries of the unborn, the blood that's being shed for the unborn, like that's gonna fall on top of you, right? And when you don't teach people that, that's gonna fall on top of you, right, and when you don't teach people that that's going to fall on top of them, they're experiencing things in their life that they have no idea about. So it's very reckless and irresponsible for, like someone that calls himself a man of God, to stand up and say something like that and then, as well, to say the LGBTQ plus rights.
Speaker 1:So what the devil has done, the devil has used where there's been a time in life where they were really mistreated and completely separated from society and all of that stuff. I'm a type of person that whatever you do inside of your bedroom and whatever you do inside of your house, obviously I know that you are going to face a consequence for it, because everything we do, any form of sin, you're going to face a consequence for it, because everything we do, any form of sin, you're going to face a consequence anything that's done in the light dark will come to light it will come to light.
Speaker 1:Ultimately, back to the lgbtq plus um stuff that he said that they're trying to strip them of their rights. We see what's happening to the family unit now. We see that it's trying to be destroyed and I think for a pastor to openly come out and say something like that, it's like where are you reading? Are you actually reading the Bible? Because whose standard are you following? Are you following the world's standard or are you following God's standard? Are you being lukewarm and are you not?
Speaker 2:Are you being likable Are?
Speaker 1:you trying to be likable, deja, can you please say that again?
Speaker 2:are you trying to be likable and agreeable?
Speaker 1:you just want people to agree with you that's it that they, the world and christians right now, are so afraid to be. They won't be labeled confrontation or canceled, or. Or cancelled.
Speaker 2:They just want everybody to like everything they're saying and it's like there's so much you just said. But, honestly, we just have to read it for ourselves and interpret it for ourselves and understand God from our perspectives first, before we even engage with any type of pastor, I feel like, because sometimes it could be misleading, especially when you're new to everything.
Speaker 1:I was just about to say with this statement, I would say that sound teaching is what I will say. Sound teaching is very important because you do need someone that's like more advanced than yourself to understand things, and some people are scholars and some people have studied it in their great pastors out there.
Speaker 1:I think, what you said is very true in terms of the world right now. There are pastors right now that are not speaking the truth. There's pastors right now that are wolves in sheep clothing. They're leading their flocks astray. They're not shepherding in a sense of giving you the word, like feeding you the word, teaching you the word, and that's why I believe in the five-fold ministry. I believe in prophets, I believe in apostles, I believe in evangelists, I believe in teachers and I believe in the five-fold ministry. I believe in prophets, I believe in apostles, I believe in evangelists, I believe in teachers and I believe in fast pastors and I believe that those people, they're designed to equip the body of christ they're designed to equip christians.
Speaker 1:Because, like you said, if you like my cycle analysis of what that pastor had to say, I was like that's so damaging and I got so angry because I'm like there's new converts in there, there's people that probably haven't read the word of god and they're gonna take what the pastor says as bible. Right, they're gonna take what the pastor says, this bible, and that's why, like, when you put yourself in that role, the bible says you will be judged harsher. So church leadership is going to be judged harsher, and specifically pastors, and it sets it out, it's all in the bible. It sets it out in the bible as of. You know the order and the structure of these things and church structure and all of that stuff, and we know that no one is perfect, but we have to address the fact that there are people that are spreading misinformation within the church that could damage someone's walk with Christ Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Also, I've noticed something when I am fully praising God even though I don't feel like I'm fully at 100%, I'm at an 80% and I'm around other people who claim to be christians, but they're really lukewarm christians and they're afraid to show their faith to others. I find that sometimes it puts a target on my back. It makes people feel like that's a green light to like say things that will make me want to hide my faith, like condescending jokes like oh, jesus, jesus, you, you with jesus, now huh, or like just just corny stuff. That's not even funny. You know. I noticed that a lot of like oh hey, sister, daddy, don't give us a word. Like little things like that I notice people do when you really like. You know, even if I'm doing something simple like playing worship music out loud, like it really makes people want to attack you for some reason.
Speaker 1:Of course, because at the end of the day remember, it's a reflection of how they feel internally about themselves and their own failures and their own issues. It's just a projection.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's why you have to pray for god to deliver you from the fear of man yeah because, in order to walk in what he has called you to do, he has to deliver you from the fear of man so that you get to a place that what they say, it just literally like water it just comes right off your body and that's it.
Speaker 2:There's another, there's another argument that people my age like to say is like oh the God, jesus is a black man. And like Jesus isn't white, and like that's brainwashing, that's what slave masters used to use on the, on the slave children, like these are all arguments always here in my generation that try to excuse people from turning to christianity, or even just religion yeah, I think that was strategically used by the enemy to try to separate a large majority of people from coming to know who christ really is and you know, earlier I was on the phone with my mom and you heard her she did the description of jesus hair like wool, you know, skin like bronze and all of that stuff black yeah, and it's like it's the washing of history and you know all of those stuff and whitewashing
Speaker 1:I say that to say that the world is in such a sticky place right now. It's in such a sticky place right now that when you try to share the gospel with others, you know people are very hesitant and I think that's why I take the approach of gentle, because sometimes I can be very harsh and like because certain things you need to just put your foot down to. But I think, yeah, yeah, there's people that have experience. There's people and let's talk about it because I think this is very necessary some people will say, oh, she harps in church, heard a lot and she bashes the church.
Speaker 1:I don't bash the church and I don't harp on. Church hurt a lot. I think when you ignore an issue and when you ignore a problem, it only festers and it makes it worse and people give up and people don't want to come back. And I think what the lord has been birthing through me is to get help people come back. And when I say come back, in a sense of help people to see like a different side of it and understand that the church is the physical body, is the called out people, is the chosen, is the actual people, because last night at that concert, that was the church. Yeah, we were the church. We were the body of christ. Yeah, a physical building is where we gather and we come together and I I have a very revolutionary um mind in the way that I view church and Christianity. Most recently, I was sharing with Deja, where the Lord placed on my heart to have a Bible study and to make it very casual. You know, to make it very casual because there's so much people that are intimidated by church clothes.
Speaker 1:There's so much people that are intimidated and like I want to go, but you know, my life isn't right yet your life does not have to be right and like I want you to understand that there's things that I still struggle with.
Speaker 1:You know yeah like I'm not perfect, like there's every now and again like really nasty words will drop out of my mouth, like if I stop my tour, if no one does something that I don't like and that is something that I have to work on like because I can't just accept that the swear jar is at 30, yeah but and you know what, it's only since I've been in new york, I've been really good back home, but I don't know, new york just does something to you where, like, yeah, it brings out those things, and I say that not to glorify the sin in itself, but I say that to tell you that you it's not gonna be easy, and if you're not there yet, and if you haven't made a decision about the lord, I don't ever want to pressure you.
Speaker 1:I just want you to come and learn about him and come and sit at his feet and just receive the goodness of god in your life.
Speaker 2:Be open yeah, Like be more open-minded, Like people are quick to adopt.
Speaker 3:To everything that's wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2:To what's wrong To things like you're so quick to want to learn about things that are going to you know. Destroy you Make you look better for others. Destroy you Make you look better for others. You guys are so quick to adopt things that make you look cool to your best friend or cool to your parents, but when it's time to adopt things that make you look good to God, to look better for the future version of yourself, you guys are hesitant.
Speaker 2:It's, it's concerning I I wonder a lot about that. Like I wonder because, like once you actually pick up a bible and read it, you see that it's really not that far-fetched. It's actually very entertaining. Also, like it's it's not something that's boring. Like it's actually a really good book, like very well written, highly recommended, 10 out of 10. Like that should be new york time bestseller like that. Right there. I don't understand how more people aren't like sitting down and dissecting this like for fun, because, like it's it's actually a really good book, a really good read, highly recommend it. I'm chatting right now, but you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's and you know why? Right, because someone presented it to you in a way that never made you feel like you were not worthy of reading it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because a lot of people feel like they're not worthy of even opening it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you touch it it feels so whoa, like it's the forbidden book, like, like Only pastors are supposed to have this, or people that really know. Say it again.
Speaker 1:Because there you just touched a, you just touched on something. You touched on something that, when the bible was started to print, it shift the power dynamic between the roman catholic church and all of that stuff because, you see, a lot of these things is about control and manipulation and that's not of god.
Speaker 1:And this is not to say that all churches are like that or all pastors are like that. I definitely that's not what I'm trying to say, but that's it right there. You can't be the most knowledgeable person in the room because as the pastor, you're supposed to be equipping your, your sheep flock. You're supposed to be equipping them to know the word of God so that when a wolf comes around, your radar go like, and you and the other sheep, because a sheep will literally stifle the wolf when they come together like that they can bust his head off, like literally they can you have never
Speaker 1:seen a sheep huddle. They can huddle together and squeeze that wolf to death. And I'm being a little bit graphic when I say that, and I mean when a lie and let's look at that wolf as a life from the pits of hell. A life from the pits of hell that says you're not really a child of God. You know what you just did. You just did this last night. You're not really a child of God, you're not really a Christian. Last night, you're not really a child of a god, you're not really a christian, you're just a show. You know you're failing and whereas there's times when you need to repent for things and there's time when when we need to come under correction, but there's also shame. Shame is not from god and I had to learn that, like shame is not from the lord, it's from the devil, because shame keeps you down and in adam and eve, when they experience shame, they hid from god yeah, they're like oh, I'm naked.
Speaker 1:I'm naked, let me go sow leaves and stuff and put it on. And when god called them out, they know what they did is wrong. They know what they did is wrong. So the calling out is is actually really good, but it's the way that it's coming from. Are you calling that person out because you want to condemn them or you're calling them out because you literally try and save their soul?
Speaker 1:you're trying to be like yo virgin, you're going on the wrong path. You need to stop that like you're doing all of this stuff. But then I got n good for you yeah and yeah, I think this is an awesome episode yeah, it's pretty good, I like it tea time tea time, tea time I think, we're out of tea right now. I got a little bit left, you got a little bit left, yeah, um, oh no, she don't. Uh, I don't got met, not either, but um no, I spilled some like thing she spilled some there.
Speaker 1:But, um, that was a good thing, we were spitting Any last words, stache, any last words, any last words, any last words, yeah, or anything you want to leave with them from tea time and what they should be expecting from tea time Tea time.
Speaker 2:So tea time. We're going to speak about what's on our hearts, what's on our mind, bodies and souls, right, and we're going to. It's going to be unfiltered. I know that's corny to say I feel like you're going to.
Speaker 1:No, I think that's good to say, because we want people to realize how authentic this is.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'm not a Bible scholar. Deja's not a Bible scholar.
Speaker 2:Obviously not.
Speaker 1:And we, the heart of tea time is really our night time decompression yeah and our night time where we just think about all the goodness of god and ways that we want other people to like come on in, like, come and get to know him, because me and deja has been experiencing peace that surpasses all understanding, even when life throws things at us.
Speaker 1:Our tea time at the end of the night this is where me and her decompress this is where me and her speak about ways that you know like the enemy tried to plant this in our way.
Speaker 2:You know, it's just us kind of just speak in life amen, that's really what it is I speak in life in a generation that has lost you know what they their identity.
Speaker 1:We want to remind you that your identity is in god, because you're created in his image and he does not make mistakes. Um, if you're seeing this and you're someone that's battling depression and you don't want to be here anymore, or if you're someone that is and I want people to listen to this too that are a part of different communities I want people to listen to this that has had abortions, because we spoke about that I want people to listen to this that is confused about their sexuality so I want
Speaker 1:people that are transgender to listen to this. I want people that are gay to listen to this and so forth, because I want them to know that God can pull you out of that. And I know some people are like, why do I need to come out of it? And it's like he can pull you out of it and you'll be surprised the peace and the change that will happen to you. I struggled with my sexuality. There's other things in my life, so I'm not sitting on this platform. Oh, holier than thou, or I'm better than you. I'm saying that god transformed my life and the peace that you see me and deja has now in our life. It all came from him. Yeah, not no yoga. It didn't come from yoga, because there's nothing under the sun that I have not tried. So I can tell you that you're always going to come back home and Brandon said that last night, you know, like when he made the call for a person that was there.
Speaker 1:He was like come home. So if you're watching this episode and you've drifted from God, or if you're watching this episode and you've never accepted God in your life, come home. You know, come home to your father and he's such a good, good father. And I didn't have my father, but I know god is an amazing father and he has taught me so many things. God has taught me how to be a better mom, how to be a better everything, and by that I'm a better disciple, because I'm able to work alongside Deja.
Speaker 1:I'm able to stir her up. There's times when she's down, or even times when I'm down and we're able to stir each other up. Speak life.
Speaker 2:Speak life into our days because, these days can be very draining. Yeah, and tea time is just a way to rejuvenate ourselves again, and not even rejuvenating it off of our own will, but off of you know God. Be high off of Jesus, I'm not lying, yeah.
Speaker 1:Literally yeah. So it's tea time.
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