#66. Are Hidden Rules Holding You Back?: A Conversation with Success Coach Lisa Michaud

Whether we recognize it or not, there are countless hidden rules and unconscious scripts that keep us from attaining financial freedom.

But learning to recognize those rules, and rewrite those scripts can be done.  

Learn how with Lisa Michaud, an international success coach who identified those barriers in her own life, and broke through them.

Hailing from Vancouver, Canada, Lisa's inspiring journey to a multi-million dollar net worth is a testament to her determination and resilience.

A life-altering health scare instigated her journey from a corporate success to a personal growth advocate. And in this episode we dive into her conscious and intentional decision to take control of her financial life and go for her dream, a decision that literally changed everything. 

We moved fast. And in this oh-so-candid conversation, we talked about the need to shift our attitudes towards money and establish healthy financial boundaries.

We explored how our perceptions of money can influence our financial habits, and how overcoming these mindsets can pave the way for success.

This is critical for wellness professionals, therapists and healers.

With a focus on authenticity and growth in business, Lisa's insights are sure to inspire and motivate you to take charge of your financial destiny.

And it's about time, don't you think? I sure do. :)

Here's to your Ideal Practice,
- Wendy

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TODAY’S GUEST:  LISA MICHAUD

Lisa Michaud is an International Success Coach, Speaker, Entrepreneur and Real Estate Investor and host of the “Goalden Girls” Podcast. In her mid-30’s, she’s created a multimillion-dollar net worth, a growing real estate empire, incredible network and beautiful family. As a coach and speaker, Lisa inspires, leads and motivates everyone she works with, including entrepreneurs, executives, parents, and leaders who are committed to creating fun and meaningful lives. Lisa is a wife, mother and hopeless romantic who lives in Vancouver, Canada.

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WHERE to FIND HER: 

WEBSITE: http://www.lisamichaud.com
PODCAST: https://www.lisamichaud.com/podcast
INSTA: www.instagram.com/thelisamichaud

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Chapters

• 0:00 Authenticity and Success Coaching Power
• 13:46 From a Health Scare to a Dream
• 18:16 Choosing Scripts and Consciously Creating Dreams
• 26:24 Financial Stability and People Pleasing
• 33:23 Transforming Financial Habits and Mindsets
• 44:51 Changes in Relationships
• 50:12 Navigating Growth and Authenticity in Business
• 54:45 Empowered Thinking and Serving Others

Transcript

Wendy: 0:00

You're listening to ideal practice, episode number 66. And, guys, you are in for such a treat. Today I'm gonna share with you a conversation that I had recently with Lisa Michaud. Lisa is an international success coach who has the most delightful personality. I just can't tell you how much fun this conversation was. She and I went deep into what is truly possible for you. So let's get to it. This is the ideal practice podcast. Hey guys, and welcome back. This is Wendy. Thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of the ideal practice podcast. I'm your host, wendy, and I'm so happy to be hanging out with you.

Wendy: 1:25

I know that around the country we have had some really tough times lately with the serious raining and the floods in the Northeast. We've got heat happening all over the place. That's been really tough. I feel really lucky because here in East Tennessee it hasn't actually been that bad, and actually just the last couple of days it's been gorgeous, and I went out for a walk last night in the fields behind my house after supper and it was just one of those magical evenings. You know what I'm talking about when the clouds are full and fluffy and so many colors you can't even count them all and they're changing every few seconds as the sun goes down. That's how it was last night. I just love that so much. Well, I hope, wherever you are, that you're doing okay, that you're staying dry, that you are staying cool and that you have what you need.

Wendy: 2:16

I'm thinking about a lot of you who I know it's been kind of tough lately, so let me tell you about today's guests. You are in for such a treat, so I'll tell you. We'll hear in the conversation itself how Lisa and I met. I'll save that for you because it's pretty funny, but I wanna share with you that Lisa is an international success coach. She has her own podcast, she has her own programs, she is an entrepreneur, she's a real estate investor and by her mid-30s she's already created a multi-million dollar net worth and she's got some really powerful stories and lessons that the rest of us can learn from. She inspires, she leads, she motivates everybody she works with. She works with entrepreneurs, executives, parents, leaders and others who are committed to creating fun and meaningful lives. Now she calls herself a hopeless romantic, but she's that and so much more. I think you're gonna have a blast in this conversation. She will tell you that her ultimate pursuits are joy, happiness and fulfillment, and isn't that what we all want?

Wendy: 3:24

So with that, let's get in to the interview. All right, everyone? Thank you so much for tuning in and welcome back to another episode of the Ideal Practice Podcast. I am absolutely thrilled to have a guest today that I've been looking forward to, honestly, for months. It is my pleasure to welcome Lisa Michaud onto the phone, onto the show. You've already heard a little bit about her in the intro, but let me just bring her on and let her say hi, hi, lisa.

Lisa: 3:53

Wendy, I'm so excited to be here and it has been months and I've also been really looking forward to it, so I'm grateful to be here and to chat with all of your amazing community in Ideal Practice.

Wendy: 4:04

That's great. So yeah, I was thinking about how we met. We met in the middle of a podcast challenge. It was Pathlin, right, that's what it was.

Lisa: 4:12

Yeah, it's so funny. I was thinking about that too, but I did not complete all the pieces of the challenge. But the highlight for me was I just loved how we hopped on the call and we somehow ended up in breakout rooms and we just felt like it was a very instant connection. It was crazy, Do you remember it?

Wendy: 4:28

was crazy. Yeah, those networking things where those of you who are listening if you've ever done this like I hate this stuff You're in some big group and then they send you off into a breakout room so you can meet each other and you have no idea who's gonna show up on the screen and you're just waiting. And you popped up and it was just you and me. We didn't have anybody else with us and you were getting ready to go get in the hot tub or something and you had your hair was up and you were like, oh, I didn't know, we were gonna be on camera, hi.

Lisa: 4:58

I remember I forgot about that. Yes, I feel like I was gonna go maybe down to my sauna or something. I had a bathrobe on. I was kind of like, oh, I'll just listen to this challenge, I'll listen to the information while I'm and I remember it was hot tub or sauna or something.

Lisa: 5:10

Yeah, that's what it was, and then all of a sudden it was like hey, you're in a room, there's somebody here, and I was like oh well, I guess I better get on camera and just confess that I am not. I am not camera ready, so I forgot about that. But man, now I feel like Wendy. I should have shown up here in a bathrobe for a little time.

Wendy: 5:28

It really cracks me up, and I was like I will never forget that, and so it was like well, hi, so that's a heck of a way to meet people, and I don't think we talked about like three minutes before. I was like I wanna have you on my podcast. This is great, I've gotta talk to you. So here we are, awesome.

Lisa: 5:43

I love that we're doing it and that's probably such a. I love that you shared that and thank you for reminding me about it, because here I know we're gonna talk about, like hidden rules that we have in life, and that is one of the ones. And don't get me wrong, there's some situations where, like you, probably need to be wearing clothes, okay.

Lisa: 6:03

And you should dress for the occasion.

Lisa: 6:05

But I think we really underestimate the power of authenticity and the power of showing up sometimes in our messy selves, in our imperfect selves, and bringing through those quirks of our personality and we think that things need to be perfect, that we need to look a certain way, speak a certain way, even that our house has to be, has to look a certain way in order to invite people into our world, and so I think that's an example of a rule that we follow that we don't even realize is like how we show, how we think we need to show up, versus how I do think we need to show up, which I think we need to show up, authentic and grounded and present, and the rest of it kind of figures itself out.

Lisa: 6:50

And you know, there's probably somebody else in a room would have been completely turned off and would have been like who is this person? So unprofessional not for me Whereas you and I were like, oh my gosh, we can laugh about this, we can be, we can have this connection, and I think that that's where you kind of in life, you will really find your people and build really authentic, genuine connections whether we're talking about with clients or friends and family or your community when you can show up authentically in the process.

Wendy: 7:20

So there's Absolutely, and sometimes you're gonna break a rule along the way, and you're right. That is a really good example. You're so right about that, because I would not have done that, I would have been like I'm sorry I can't get on camera because I'm like fixing to go get in the sauna, you know whatever. But you were just like, oh hi, here I am, what do you think? And it was delightful, and it's like in the most, like the best, like it's a sweet surprise when somebody is real, isn't it? Cause we're not used to that? Yeah, well, why don't you introduce yourself and tell everybody who you really are? When you know what you know? I'm gonna ask you that Tell everybody who you are, where you are, what you do. Let's start there.

Lisa: 7:59

Now you all know that I love hot tubs and saunas. I also love cold plungers. So I live in Vancouver, Canada, and I wear a couple of different hats. I am a success coach, a speaker. I have a podcast called Golden Girls Podcast, and my husband and I are real estate investors and I actually we've just started this. We take a lot of the coaching and mentoring side that I've done in success coaching and we're now applying it to the real estate world and helping other people to grow their passive income, diversify their income and be able to create financial stability, financial freedom and wealth on their terms by using real estate as a vehicle.

Wendy: 8:40

Wow, which is a completely different world than we're used to talking about here. So but you are. So you said your podcast is Golden Girls. I wanna tell everybody it's Golden, as in G-O-A-L-D-E-N. Right, I wanna spell that out because that sort of sums up what you're all about helping, and especially helping women, I think, sort of land on their feet and be more successful. Yeah, Definitely.

Lisa: 9:02

I mean, I'm a woman, so I kind of I get the struggles that we go through right. I mean I think it's there's something to be said for being perfect and there's something to be said for actually having had the struggles and being able to speak to those. And so, as a woman, I know because I've fallen into a lot of the traps that we tend to fall into and so I love being able to both share my journey, the struggles that I'm still in, and also the things that I've have worked through and have learned in the process of being able to use goals as the catalyst for personal growth and creating an amazing life on my terms, authentically.

Wendy: 9:36

I love that. I wanna highlight that I think you're you're at the multi-seven figure level at this point, right, If I remember right.

Lisa: 9:46

I'd say we're getting there, we're getting there, we're home. That way in the seven figure territory, yes, definitely.

Wendy: 9:53

And you've had a journey along the way in terms of your own personal growth, your approach to success, how you think about success, how you think about money. So tell me, just tell me, a little bit about the story, about kind of where you come from, where you are, what is it that's gotten you to where you are today and what are some of the lessons that you've learned along the way?

Lisa: 10:12

So many? How much time did you say we had? What do you mean? Well, okay, let me share with you. I'm gonna take you back in time about 10 years now and I was living a very different life. So I was in the corporate world. My husband and I both had really successful corporate careers, and I say successful in terms of we enjoyed what we were doing, we were challenged and we also were making good money. At the time we were high six figure earners and we'd recently gotten married. We were living in a small community in Northern Canada. We had North like minus 40 was the temperature, and I know minus 40 is a good number because it's the same in Fahrenheit and in Celsius, so it's really darn cold okay. So it was a very different life and like things were going well, we had done, we were doing some traveling, we had started kind of building our real estate, and then I had a health scare and I faced the reality that I might only have a year or two left to live.

Wendy: 11:04

And.

Lisa: 11:05

I remember that night laying in bed and I turned to my husband and I was like what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do if I only have a year or two left to live? And my husband, he's definitely the pragmatic one. If I'm the visionary, he's the logical, the practical the implementer right.

Lisa: 11:21

And so he looked at me and he's like well, you're the one with the timeline, what do you wanna do? And the first thing that came to my mind was move to Vancouver. And I'm gonna tell you, I haven't wanted to live in Vancouver since I was a little girl. I remember coming to the city. We'd come for concerts and dance, conventions and Disney on ice, and my parents would fall asleep in the hotel room and I would sneak out to the window and I'd put on my Christina Aguilera CD and listen to my headphones and just look at the city and dream about living there.

Lisa: 11:55

And obviously, you know, I was like 12, so that was not a possibility at that time. But it was really interesting because I just kept having reasons why I couldn't live there. You know, first it was my boyfriend wasn't there, and then my university wasn't there, and then my next boyfriend wasn't there, and then we were in this Northern community and then we had good jobs and my husband's a small town boy, and now we have a house, we have a mortgage, we have responsibilities. Now we have two houses and it felt like also Vancouver became really darn expensive.

Wendy: 12:22

And there's just so were you living, like, in a small rural area that was far north of there? Is that where you yeah, very far, yeah, so yeah, yeah.

Lisa: 12:30

So about five hours north of Edmonton, which is considered a very north town. Yeah, so we were way up there, probably about a 20 to 25 hour drive from Vancouver.

Wendy: 12:40

So really far away 20 to 25 hour drive. Yes, yes, okay, so I'm geographically challenged. Are we up like near the Arctic Circle? Is that where-?

Lisa: 12:50

No, we're not that far. We're not that far. We're close to the Northwest Territories. I don't even know where that is, like it's cold, it's up there, but there's. I mean, all the people that actually live in like the territories are like you guys are wieners, come on, yeah.

Lisa: 13:05

Come on, you can do this, but it was really far away. And so there was all these things, all these reasons why I could not move to Vancouver, and in that moment, laying in bed, facing the reality that I could choose to either continue to live these stories for the next one year, two years or however long my life was going to be, or I could change it. In that moment, it suddenly became clear that I've been creating a list of reasons why I couldn't, instead of asking myself how can I do it and how is it possible?

Wendy: 13:35

Oh, wow, okay, there's a pan that's put a pin in that. I've been creating a list of reasons for why I couldn't, instead of asking the question how could I? Absolutely yeah.

Lisa: 13:46

So if you take if you take nothing else away that question of how is it possible, yeah, it's just such a different way to open up, open up your mind to what's possible, yeah. And so I mean, obviously this wasn't like an overnight thing, right. It's not like the next morning I went and quit my job and did all the things, but it was an opening and it was in a hot. It was like okay, wow, there's this desire that I have and I've been neglecting it and I've been putting it away in a box for and actually the not possible box, so there's no response to box to put it in. And so that was just a moment of like. I am no longer willing to just have these things that are really loud and proud of my heart. Go wait for the right time because there is no right time.

Lisa: 14:28

So shortly after that, you know, we did our honeymoon, we went, we finally went to Thailand. I had, I had guidebooks for Thailand for over 10 years. They were, they were a little outdated, but, you know, luckily, the the big things still accounted. So we finally, you know, went to Thailand and did that for honeymoon.

Wendy: 14:42

So you're a big traveler and you had big dreams, big ideas, big goals.

Lisa: 14:46

of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we slowly started to put the wheels in motion. You know it took. It took us about seven, eight months, but we ended up selling our house, we ended up quitting our jobs Uh, one of my. One of the things that I was really nervous about was my husband was a small town boy and he has a quad, you know, like an ATV, like what the heck are we going to do with that? We had to figure out all these plans, um, but about eight months later, we navigated and made the move to Vancouver happen. Um, and so for me, every morning when I wake up, and when I look out at night time as well, and I see the skyline of the city, uh, it just reminds me of that this would not have been possible if I wasn't able to shift away from why I can't to how how is it possible?

Wendy: 15:31

Yeah, how is it possible.

Lisa: 15:32

Yeah, yeah. So I mean I would love to say now it would be really cute if we could put a bow on this and be like well, now, wendy, I never have mindset issues again, but that's just not the reality and it's a continued process. And you know, when we once we moved here and we landed, even then I noticed myself looking for jobs and I could. There was some that just seemed perfect on paper, but I couldn't get myself to connect and I realized, well, I've actually wanted to do coaching and speaking for a really long time. I used to run leadership conferences and I always thought, one day I want to be that speaker and I had a conference and or I had a coach in my executive, uh my role at, at, uh, my corporate job, and I was like, well, I'd love to do that one.

Wendy: 16:06

I have to ask what was happening with your health in the middle of that. If you oh yeah, that's better, I'm guessing.

Lisa: 16:12

So you know what? I was really lucky that it was just a scare and that it was something that, um, yeah, it was. The scan came up and you know, different scans can show things different ways and the 2d. 2d was scary, the 3d was not, which is great, and so I'm very lucky. You know that it was just a scare and that's just your attention.

Wendy: 16:33

Get your attention and shake things.

Lisa: 16:34

Exactly, exactly, yeah, um. And so then I found myself stolen, getting into some of the old patterns. And it was not until I again started looking at those job job descriptions and I was like gosh, I have no, like, no, um, find it that I realized, well, I wanted to be a coach and I kept saying I'm going to do it. Here we go. You're going to recognize the script. Maybe some of you play it as well. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it, uh, when I have $300,000 in the bank counter, or a million dollars in the bank counter, and then you would just move the goalpost to 2 million, or I'm going to do all. My kids are grown up. I didn't even have kids and I was already waiting for my child to move out and grow up so I could do the things I wanted to do.

Wendy: 17:07

No, wait a minute, you didn't even have kids yet. I'm going to slow you down just a second, because I talk slow and I hear slow, good you, um, you didn't even have kids yet and you were already thinking I want to. You were talking about launching a coaching practice. You were still. You were working in corporate at that point, right Still.

Lisa: 17:25

I had. I had quit my job and moved to Vancouver, and I was looking for more corporate, because that seemed like the thing to do. Got it, got it.

Wendy: 17:34

So thinking about what you're going to think, what, what, what you're going to do, but what you really wanted to do was the coaching. But you're like, oh you know, maybe, maybe when this happens, or when this happens, or when this happens including when my kids are grown that don't exist yet I can do what I really want to do. Got it, okay, go ahead.

Lisa: 17:47

Precisely. Yeah, yeah, and you know it's so funny because when you slow it down, it's pretty obvious the fallacies in what I was thinking, the illogic, the nonsensicalness of what I was thinking, the scripts I was playing, they make sense when you slow it down. So often we're unconscious to those voices, we're unconscious to the scripts, we're unconscious to the stories or we're running so fast we don't ever stop to question it.

Lisa: 18:16

And that's that's honestly why I believe so much in the power of, of coaching and so much in the power of you know, mediums like this, of podcasting and of slowing down and breath, working, meditation and and being present, because we're living so much of our life on autopilot that's, and I still have to catch myself. This is a continuous process of learning and moving out of it, but if we all need to do this, we all need to slow down and be like what are the stories that I'm saying, what are the scripts that I'm living by and consciously choosing whether these are the ones I want to. I want to actually live by.

Wendy: 18:52

I want to put a pin in that too. I'm sorry, every now and then I'm going to have to interrupt because I want to make sure people capture this. What are the you just said? What did you just say? What are the scripts that we live by? We need to, we need to be present and ask what are the scripts? Did you say unconscious?

Lisa: 19:05

What are the scripts and the stories that I'm unconsciously living by and what do I want to consciously choose to live?

Wendy: 19:14

Yeah, yeah, I love that. You're right, because we live on automatic pilot. We just go through the days, we just do whatever we're supposed to do, we just move from one thing to the next without ever really thinking about it, and what you're saying is that there have been probably a series of times in your life when, for various reasons, you stopped and went. Wait just a minute, what's going on here? Is this really what I want? And if not, what do I want? So I love that. So you were sort of, and I love the idea of a 12 year old looking out the window at the city lights and dreaming about being there someday and then, lo and behold, finding a way to get yourself there, because dreams really do come true. That's beautiful.

Wendy: 19:54

So you're trying to figure out what am I going to do now? And should I get a job? I don't want to get a job. Should I get a job? I don't want to get a job. I want to coach people, I want to encourage people, I want to inspire people. So what happened with all that?

Lisa: 20:08

So, for all of the analyzing and over analyzing and the list of why not that I had done in the past, this is one thing I just jumped into and dove into. You know, I just said I'm going to do it and I read a couple of books, I took a few courses, I did some coach training and launched it, and there's been so many, you know, iterations and evolutions along the way. I'm still figuring it out, like there's still so many lessons, but for me, it was like I would also say this as part of this part of the scare. It was also this realization that I don't just want to work forever and that I also, you know, financial stability, financial freedom, that they're not just things that will like, automatically happen, that I actually need to take steps towards them. If I say that I care about them and I do and I do, I really believe we can, you know, talk more about this, but I really believe that financial stability and financial abundance is for everybody and actually allows us to live a better life, to be draws out the great qualities that we all have.

Lisa: 21:11

And so, you know, at the same time, while we were, while I was, growing my, my business, it was also like let's let's start getting more serious about an intentional, about how we're investing our money and making our money work for us. So we're not always working harder, but we're working smarter. And so the last several years have been a journey of, you know, actually birthing that child that in my dreams you know birthing her into the world and bringing her in and then, simultaneously, you know building, building our real estate business and also creating the podcast and coaching and speaking so that other people don't have to have these huge life shaking, life altering moments like I did, to be able to start consciously choosing the scripts and the stories and their own dreams for their life.

Wendy: 21:55

You don't have to wait till something hits you. You don't have to wait till something gets hard. You can choose today to set a dream in motion, to start figuring out what you want your life to look like. And I love, I do love what you're saying about financial freedom and security is everybody's right. Abundance is everybody's right, but that's you. You have to be more thoughtful and intentional about how you move towards that, because I think we have a lot of hidden scripts that block us from that. Yeah, yeah.

Lisa: 22:22

So much, so much. Yeah the money, I mean this is like another whole series on money.

Wendy: 22:28

Well, seriously, has money been easy for you? Is this something you've always been comfortable with? Because I'm thinking, just starting off the bat, saying you had a sauna. I'm like, who has a sauna? Nobody I know has a sauna. Right, that's probably not true. That's probably probably do. I just don't think about it but like automatically. Are you? Have you always been comfortable with the concept of money, with earning money, with charging for what you do? Like, talk to me about that, because a lot of my folks really struggle with that.

Lisa: 22:56

Yeah, I mean, I think most people really struggle with this and I certainly did too Like it does not come naturally to me. This is still something. I'm still evolving, so let me tell you there were some things that I do feel came naturally to me and I would be curious for everybody listening, like what parts of money it came easy to if you think back to when you were two, three, five, 10. Because I do think there are parts of it that do come easy to us and I think it gets squashed out. So I remember many times through, for example, in childhood, like seeing a beautiful car or seeing a beautiful house and being like I want that, you know, like having that desire. And then I also remember being told by grownups and adults and the people that quote knew better being like, yeah, that's, that's not possible. Or like that's for people that are different than us, or oh, you know you.

Wendy: 23:47

Don't be silly. That's not for people like us.

Lisa: 23:49

Exactly, exactly, like get real, you're dreaming. So the messages were like that's for people that are not you, it's, that's not possible for you. It is messages of there's also sometimes in there, like, well, you don't want to know what people had to do to get money to be able to buy that like this, like the whether it was very explicit or maybe more subtle idea of like what.

Lisa: 24:16

You know how bad people were that had money, how selfish it was to have some of those things, how greedy it was to have some of those things, and whereas I think and I'd be curious where other people lined on this too I don't know what the answer is, but definitely I was like more curious about it. I was like, well, if they have it, like, why can't I like what actually makes us different and how did they do it? I wanted to always ask and understand what did people do to get there? But I didn't learn that and instead I learned that we shouldn't talk about money, that people don't talk about it. You know, it was like a rude thing to talk about.

Lisa: 24:49

We don't talk about how much we have. We don't talk about how we manage it, how we invested. Do we invest it? Do we, where do we put it, how do we do with it? We don't talk about. We also certainly don't talk about like wanting more of it and we don't talk about being comfortable with it. It was always laced with a lot of scarcity and and you know, I still hear that probably as I'm saying this, like you're still gonna hear so much of it in this world like, oh, this is too expensive, or that's too expensive, or who can afford that?

Wendy: 25:18

A lot of those things, and so in your family what you're saying too is that money was kind of a mystery, definitely.

Wendy: 25:24

In terms of there was no, and I get that because I can sort of relate to that, actually because there was a generation and there was a belief among at least it was common among the elders when I was growing up that you didn't talk about that.

Wendy: 25:38

You don't talk about money, you don't talk about politics, you don't talk about religion. I mean like you keep all that under wraps and so you are left kind of and your left just sort of stumbling through to figure stuff out because no one teaches you this stuff. And I also am getting what you're saying about the messages about what it means to have money, which I think is huge in the healing world and you know, among among wellness professionals, therapists, money is if you want money, there's something wrong with you. If you care about money, it means you don't care about your clients. And what you were saying about money is for other people, it's not for us. And besides, if they do have money, they probably got it in a bad way. Talk about you know that's just messed up Like no one are we stressed, it's so messed up.

Wendy: 26:22

Yeah, so messed up Dang.

Lisa: 26:24

I mean there's a I think you touched on a couple of really good points. I mean, let's first of all just like okay, oh my gosh, I'm like there's so many things I want to say about this.

Wendy: 26:34

So first of all, I just want to say I see you all zooming around your head. There's like little circles going around your head.

Lisa: 26:39

So I just want to say that there was a time and I just I hold a lot of compassion because I really believe my parents and their parents and probably most of our parents, really did the best that they could. And the truth is like if I had said I want to be on TV from a small town, like there wasn't an easy path to get there and for them it would have been even more wild for them to imagine certain things. And so I think that a certain point, like in different generations, they had to balance the dreaming and the practicality of what was possible, and I just have empathy and compassion and feel very grateful to be able to live in this time and this place where we have these conversations.

Lisa: 27:17

You also spoke to the healers and I know there was a lot of people listening that are in that and I think for women and I'm a calmess off of recovering people pleasing, overachieving, perfectionist, skill and recovery.

Wendy: 27:30

Wait a minute. A recovering people pleasing, overachieving, perfectionist, perfectionist. Yes, there's a lot of stuff. I need to be on a T-shirt. Honey, that's merchandise right there. You could sell that.

Lisa: 27:43

You know, that's actually a great idea. That is a great idea. Yeah, maybe I could see myself getting the mug. I think I would like a mug on that, yeah that's great, I love it. I think as women, we're taught so much about making other people happy and we are here to be of service. We're here to make other people comfortable and to be liked.

Lisa: 28:02

So much emphasis on being liked and everyone else is comfort above our own, and so I think that also gets intertwined into all of this around money, around like our own worthiness, and if we're not worthy, if we're not liked, and if we're not worthy unless we're helping people, then of course we have a really distorted relationship. With being given money and that exchange of energy and being able to receive, I think we have really distorted relationships around that as women, as healers and as people who just genuinely want to help. I think that gets really intertwined and gets really messy.

Wendy: 28:41

Because somehow it's honorable and good for us to help and to give, but it is dishonorable and selfish to receive, which is completely out of balance. But I see this all the time and I think you're right. It's certainly. I feel pretty strongly about that. This is what girls are taught. Your job is to make everybody else happy, no matter what. I call it Southern Women's Syndrome, because that's really strong where I live and the Southern United States, but maybe that's a worldwide thing, I don't know.

Wendy: 29:09

But I also think that something brilliant that I was going to say just now that completely went out of my mind. Sorry, there was another point there. I was going to go with that. Oh, healers, take that a step further in that they are, thank you. Come back to that. Girls take that a step further by taking that same attitude into their career and put their clients before themselves. They're literally everything before themselves and then wonder why they're burned out and broke, even though they're seeing 50 people a week or 30 people a week or whatever crazy numbers there are. So we have to turn that around. You're right. We have to receive as well as give, and be okay with both and recognize when we're getting judgy about that because that's so unhealthy. 100%. I love this, you are so you are right on. So is this something that you had to learn yourself to be able to receive, to allow abundance in, to allow good things in, or how has that sort of been flowed for you over time?

Lisa: 30:18

Yeah. So I definitely took this as I think we all do in different ways of dysfunction. My direction of dysfunction was I was like, oh well, like I don't understand anything about money, but I know all of it is possible for me, so I'm just going to spend it all, it'll be fine and yeah, and so that was my thing. And I mean I yeah, when I was in university, I worked. I worked a lot of jobs. I like made pretty good money for university and I found ways to spend even more of that. You know, I was 21 years old and I had two cars like who needs two cars? And I had Louis Vuitton bags and designer jeans and I had done some traveling and I had a whole lot of debt when I came out and none of it was student loans.

Lisa: 31:09

you know, to make matters even like here, I'm going to add in like another layer of like weird, complex, like still deconstructing it. Like my parents, they weren't like super wealthy, but they were. We were in a town that was economically depressed, and so my parents had financially stable jobs, and so the messages I got from like my friends and the outer world was like we're the rich, and just to tell you that my parents were like a nurse and a millwright. So we're not talking again. We're not talking about like and again, it's all.

Wendy: 31:39

It's all relative, right, yeah it is so.

Lisa: 31:41

I had stable jobs. My parents were immigrants from another country. They came to this country with a thousand dollars, like they, that's right, I forgot that part they are from, is it?

Wendy: 31:49

Yeah, yugoslavia, yes, now.

Lisa: 31:51

Croatia, but formerly Yugoslavia. Yeah yeah, so like, so, anyways, it was like this outside world perception was that I, we were rich, and but the internal world was that we weren't rich and we didn't have things, and so there was a lot of that, and so I don't know, I just like took all the messages that we are rich and without the actual knowing of how to have wealth or without actually having it, and just spent. And so when I graduated, that was definitely a moment for me. I just don't even know what it was. It was like just this, this like realization that I no longer want to go down this path and that I want to create, and I can create, real financial stability and I have to do that. And so it was. It felt really aligned, it felt really good, I was able to to work.

Wendy: 32:35

Was there a moment? Was there a moment when that kind of clicked for you? There was no moment.

Lisa: 32:39

It was just like I'm done with this.

Wendy: 32:41

Yeah.

Lisa: 32:42

And you know, I think there's power. I think there's a lot of power in this, this, the, the deep moments like the big shocks, like I mean I never wish those things on anybody, but there's a lot of power in them and I think we need to honor that. And then you, I also don't need them all the time, and so that I don't have like a one moment, it's just like I'm just no longer willing to tolerate this.

Lisa: 33:02

I'm no longer willing to continue to go further and further into debt for things that aren't like, aren't really in service of who I want to be and how I want to live my life and what I want to create, and so so yeah, that we it took a you know, several months of getting out of that debt and setting up some financial stability, and then it's, honestly, it's been even more of a journey Like that was kind of the first. The first step was okay, how can I stop overspending? Cause that was my problem. How can I, how can I get out of that? And then the next thing was how can I, how can I earn money? And then it was how can I earn money? How can I keep that money? And then it took several more years, and I'm sure people can do this faster than me. I'm not necessarily the sharpest tool.

Lisa: 33:45

But the next step was then okay, then how do I make that money work for me and how do I invest that?

Lisa: 33:49

Because for me, I always learned, like you know, debt is bad. We should just pay down your mortgage as fast as possible and money just like save, save, save, save, save. But it it turns out that if you're not investing in it, you're actually losing it, and so that was a whole journey, too, of of learning how to make my money work for me. And then we've now taken it to the next level in terms of our real estate how can we leverage, how can we actually leverage, leverage debt? So before it was like no debt, Now it's like how do we leverage debt, how do we, how do we leverage other people's talents and all those kind of some some bigger questions. But it's definitely been a journey and a process, and I don't think it definitely did not happen all at once for me. I didn't go from, you know, spending it all on cars and Louis Vuitton purses to knowing, knowing how, where to invest, in having my money make money for me. That there was definitely a journey there.

Wendy: 34:37

What I hear in that that it's maturity for some at some point and just a certain amount of life experience. But it was also. There's a pattern here that I'm hearing for you, which is that you are very intentional about going after and creating what you want and even though there are times when you're you can't imagine how it's possible or you can't see a way there, your sort of it seems to me like your bottom line approach to life is not that'll never happen, but why not? And once, at different points along the way, you make different decisions. So, like the 12 year old, I keep going back to that, that picture, because that's a really powerful picture in my mind of this little girl in a hotel room in the dark while her folks are sleeping, looking at and we've all. I mean, if you ever stay in a hotel in a city I live out in the country where it's dark at night but which is beautiful in its own way. But to be in the city and looking out at all the lights that are there all night long, it's kind of magic and to dream about what is possible and part of you going. I don't know if I can do that and probably going. Well, why can't I do that? And in different ways, that that theme keeps coming back over and over and over again. I love the intentionality of that. I love the sort of open-hearted, open-minded it's an abundant mindset is what that is, abundant mindset?

Wendy: 36:03

And then in terms of your money, like you were talking about, I had to learn that whole thing about. I was spending a bunch because you were 21,. You were a kid like it's like easy money, what's wrong with this? This is great. We've all been there, even that. Once you made a decision like, yeah, this isn't working for me anymore, I want something different. And then you have. It sounds like in a very pretty logical way it has unfolded and your skills and your approach and the way you think about it has changed over time. I think it's brilliant. I love it.

Lisa: 36:33

Thank you.

Lisa: 36:34

Well, I really hope that what people are hearing and can take away is, like I know that everybody we all have hopes and dreams and so often we shut them down before we've even given ourselves a chance to really explore it.

Lisa: 36:46

We count ourselves out, we think that's not for me, that's not possible for me, that's people that are different than me. We just we don't even give ourselves the opportunity. And I just heard one of my coaches talk about. She was outside of a I believe it was a clothing store and she heard these two women conversing and one woman said hey, do you want to go in that store? And the other woman's was like oh no, like everything's too expensive, I don't even want to go in there. And it's just such an example of how we don't even put ourselves in the store, we don't even allow ourselves to be in the space where we could be surrounded by things.

Lisa: 37:19

And I think I hope that that, like that it really is. The first step is like allowing yourself to have dreams and have desires and not making yourself wrong for them, not guilting yourself, shaming yourself, but allowing yourself to be in that and knowing that you're worthy of it and deserving of it. And then the second step is then you know, then the fun part is like what would that look like? And and getting to explore how might that be and who can I learn from it? Who can I connect with and and who? Who do I become in that process?

Wendy: 37:47

And then consciously, who do I become? Who do I become in that process? Who do?

Lisa: 37:50

I become in that process.

Wendy: 37:52

If I want to. I want to be a person who lives this way, who does these things, who has, who has this opportunity, who do I have to become for that to be real, I love that. That's important. Yeah, and your point about it we don't even put ourselves in the situation where that's around us. What is that? You know that thing? You're the average of the five people you hang out with most of the time. If you, if you hang out with people who complain all the time and talk about how broke they are, then there you go, yeah.

Lisa: 38:19

And it's amazing how fast we can get sucked into that, especially if you're an empathetic or a people pleaser and if you're like me, like I want to be liked. It's something I like consciously have to let myself be like. No, it's okay, Like for people not to like me, so it gets. It's a work in progress for me, but it's so. You know, I, when I go back to my hometown, for example, like I remember we were talking, I was met somebody that I hadn't seen in you know 15 years or catching up and stuff like that, and we were talking and we were talking about one of the neighboring communities where the real estate prices had gone really high, and she said something along the lines of like yeah, it's just so expensive. I mean, who can even afford that? And I found myself being like yeah, yeah, like that is crazy, this is so expensive.

Lisa: 38:59

And I, you know, in after pausing and later on I was like, well, like, I can afford that. Like we have a home in a place that's even more expensive than that. And I share that, not to brag. I share that for two reasons. Number one, because it's so easy to just like be the nice person, and I'm not saying I needed that conversation, you need to go any differently, or anything like that. But just to be aware of how often we fall into those patterns or think those things. And if we're not consciously recognizing, there's sometimes socially where it just makes more sense or it's easier to just kind of blow with that conversation, lisa, this is huge yeah.

Lisa: 39:37

Yeah, so you know, recognizing that. And then the second part of it is there's also this question of like. Well, what if, instead of all of us always being nice, and what if, instead of us always agreeing or complaining or maybe bringing down the common denominator, like in the right situations, what does it look like for me to actually share what I know and share what's possible, and be able to create hope and inspiration and knowledge, sharing and connection and helping other people with some of these things that I've learned as well?

Wendy: 40:14

Yes. What if you don't automatically go along with whatever the crowd is saying because it is so easy to fall into that? Yeah, you're right, boy, that sucks, that's terrible. I can't believe what's going on and what, and I love what you just said about just dropping to the lowest common denominator, because that's what you're doing is you're going, you are lowering your expectations to join everybody else's, and words have power. Words have power. When you say it out loud, you are speaking that into reality. When you say that with other people, you are saying it for yourself.

Wendy: 40:50

But what you're doing is you're holding up a light and kind of go, no, no, no, no, no, no. Actually, you know what? There's another way of thinking about that. I could say, gosh, it's really expensive. Or I could say, hmm, so how cool will it be if we could actually do that, and what would it take to get there? That would be awesome. Let's, let's play with that, shall we?

Wendy: 41:10

That's a completely, and in that moment when you do that, you completely change the energy in the room, don't you Like the whole? And I bet people look at you a little funny, like when you do actually do that. It's sort of, because it shakes up the norms, and I see this in the mental health world or the healing arts world. I, because a group of people will be sitting around having coffee, talking about how low reimbursement rates are, or about the clients who don't show up and don't pay or all the things that go wrong in their practice, and I I'm like you, I love, like I can be sympathetic to that and compassionate to that and understand that, because we've all been there and complaining about it doesn't make it any better, it just feeds it. That's so good. Yeah, you're right on about that, but it takes courage to be the one that kind of goes. Well, you know, I don't know, some people could afford that, and maybe the question is, how can we see that more people could afford that? How about we do that?

Lisa: 42:07

Yeah, yeah, wendy, like I love what you just said there and I know that everybody listening like can feel that energy shift as you said that. Like that was, yeah, the way that you frame those and I think you know you said it better than I probably could have. Like I think you just shared it in such an empathetic, inspiring and like non attachment. It's not like I need to fix you or I need to change you, or like anything's wrong with you or that I'm better than you.

Lisa: 42:30

This is not like a it's just like a like, almost like an extending of the hand, of like you know what, if we went together, like what would that look like?

Lisa: 42:40

And knowing that we're kind of in this together? So I love the way that you frame those questions and you're right, like sometimes it lands, sometimes it doesn't, and I don't you know. You also have to recognize, like where is the conversation worth having and where is it not. Like sometimes it's really just not Like we don't need to necessarily yeah, we just don't necessarily need to open up every single can of worms we come across, but some of them we can. We can start to be that change and it is really exciting and I think the more of us, I believe the more of us that can do that and have the courage and start to open up these conversations and start to talk about these things that we're not supposed to talk about and, in this context, about money. That is how we're going to change. That is how we are going to be able to feel worthy and stop living paycheck to paycheck and create empowered money stories and money scripts.

Wendy: 43:34

Empowered money stories. I love that empowered money stories. One of the things that you and I talked about before when we met last time we we for everyone who is listening I always do a call with my guests before we actually do the interview because I want to meet them and get to know them and hear more about their story. And one of the things, like I said, that you and I talked about was the hidden rules that we live by, that we don't even realize that we're living by, and how challenging it is to recognize those. And I kind of feel like what we're doing today, right now, is talking about how challenging it is to begin to change those and push back against some of those. Yeah, so have.

Wendy: 44:10

So. One of those rules is not to do better than your friends or your family, not to put yourself up above other people and not to be too successful and don't in my part of the world we would say, don't get too big for your bridges. That's what we say, right as, as your own success has evolved and as your own, I love the recovering perfectionist piece and the recovering people pleasing. I can't even say the whole phrase now. That was just too good, but I'll give you a T-shirt.

Wendy: 44:41

Yeah, seriously, I really think that'd be like a speaker. So this is why I'm grumpy, because I don't do that anymore. Whatever, let me tell you what I really think. Have you found that your relationships have changed, that you've gained friends and lost friends? Because this is something that I've noticed as a coach, and I also learned this in some of the coaching programs I've been in that as we evolve and as we allow ourselves to let more in, we sometimes lose people along the way because not everybody's willing to go with us. Yeah, can you relate?

Lisa: 45:15

Definitely, definitely. You know, it's funny, I think in the beginning people were actually pretty great and pretty successful or pretty happy. For me, like starting my business, for example, and making the move, most people were really like, everyone was very supportive. And there's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's certain levels at which people start to drop off. I'll tell you, you know this. Like there's also certain scripts.

Lisa: 45:45

I don't wanna like this whole other rabbit hole we could talk about, but, like you know, we talk about there's certain rules in life. There's also, like on social media, there's certain rules about things you can't say and can't say and things that are tolerated, and all those pieces. And there's like a really pretty prescribed script in terms of what you can and can't say and what you shouldn't say and things like that. And I like, kind of I have the same approach to those things and like I also like I'm gonna I'm not gonna be a butthole, but I'm gonna be aligned and I'm gonna be honest and I'm gonna be authentic and I'm gonna show up the way that I wanna. The way that I wanna show up and the way that I think is gonna be in service of myself, the people in my community, the people I'm serving and the world.

Lisa: 46:23

And so, like I think, at different points here, I've absolutely lost people, and people have, yeah, called me some unkind words. I've lost some friends. I put that in quotes, though, because I think it's really interesting, because we talk about the hidden rules that we live by that we don't realize there's also the flip side to this is the rules that other people expect you to live by that are also unconscious and you don't always know those until you've broken them.

Lisa: 46:57

And so it is really interesting what people have disconnected from us, from me, in terms of, like, how they perceive the success that we have had, or like how we've become successful, or what I share about success, or what I don't share. And yeah, like it's not, I won't lie and say it's not painful. Some are more painful than others. One I know in particular, like that was a friend, like, and I think this is like types into nervous system work too, which I bet you, some of your people, will really understand yeah, sure will.

Lisa: 47:33

But like it feels to me when some of these happen, like it literally feels like my nervous system is activated and I'm dysregulated and so I take time to like to regulate, to do some growth work or movement or get centered. Some VU technique or whatever that looks like and like a lot of embodiment. I move anger or sadness or frustration, like lots of that kind of somatic stuff Because it is painful, like it's not. I'm not the person who can just be like, well, screw them Like it doesn't bother me.

Lisa: 48:05

I don't have that thick of a skin yet For some. For some I do, but some definitely are more painful.

Wendy: 48:09

Well, and I wouldn't want you to. I wouldn't want you to. I mean, the fact that it bothers you means you care. You just have to learn how to. You have to modify it a little bit, right, don't let too much of it in, right.

Lisa: 48:20

Exactly. I think it's like at every, every. I mean they say like every level new devils, right, and I feel like it's the same thing too. It's like people that didn't like or thought I was like maybe the perception of like oh, you know what? This is probably more my own self perception, but I definitely had a perception around like putting myself out on social media felt really scary at first, like what are people gonna think, what are people gonna do?

Lisa: 48:39

And it was like that was one kind of level to move through, and the first or second time, you know, there were some comments. That's when I felt that reaction and I had to move through that. And then now it's like no big deal, like people say things I'm like, oh, that's their perception, like that's their stories or what they expected of me and that's fine, like I'm playing by my roles and my intentions and that's great. And then there's like then it was sharing about money and like that was a scary thing and there were some people that just like had some interesting comments around that too. And like at first it was like takes the wind out of me and it makes me like you know, I wanna like my tendencies to wanna fawn and be like oh my God, you're so right, I'm so sorry, you're the best, I'm the one.

Wendy: 49:14

You know that you wanna smooth it over.

Lisa: 49:16

Yeah, Make everyone like me again. So it's just like at every level, the first couple hits, I think, are the hardest and then, and then I mean I should also say in those I'm not. I think an important step here is I also check in, Like what is true and what they're saying. Is there any truth in what they're saying Sometimes?

Wendy: 49:36

there's. Is there something here I need to hear?

Lisa: 49:39

Is there a lesson in here for me, is it? And then a lot of it is like is there something that I'm uncomfortable with or I don't feel good about? Cause, like often, like if somebody said to me oh my gosh, lisa, like okay, so for context, I'm five, five foot, like five foot, nothing. And like you're, you're awkwardly tall for a woman. Like, let's say, somebody said something like that to me, oh my gosh. Like that would not like. I'm just like that's ridiculous, because I know that's not true.

Lisa: 50:05

And so you know, we know that if something has hit us, it's potentially cause there's something true in there for us and some sensitivity, right.

Wendy: 50:12

So I explore all the sense when I'm, if I'm okay with it, then then you can have whatever feeling you want. It's not gonna bother me, cause I know I'm okay with it. If I'm not okay with it, then there's room for that to come in and then it's right. That's what it is, and what I'm hearing you say is that as you have evolved, as you've grown, as you've gotten, as you've worked through each level of growth, which is never ending you go through a rough patch where you're trying on a new behavior and you're trying something new and it's a little like okay, and you get some pushback from people as you're trying stuff. And then you kind of make peace with it and you find your feet again and you're like it's okay, this is who I am, and it sort of settles down. And then, until the next level of growth goes and y'all I wanna highlight this because I see this in practice owners a lot Y'all when you're business, when you, when you are launching your practice and you're getting it off the ground, you're and the longer you're in business, the more this is gonna happen to you.

Wendy: 51:03

There are gonna be times when you grow as a business owner and as a human being where you have to do things that people aren't always going to love.

Wendy: 51:11

Whether it is changing your policies about who you work with, whether it is tightening up your policies about payment, whether it is choosing to start a group practice or and then letting somebody go, whether it's hiring an admin assistant that you have to fire, there's just like so many ways that you have to step into your authority and into who you are and be okay with it. And it's not easy. And I feel like, especially in our world, in our industry and among I'm thinking of healing arts or wellness therapists, we are all people pleasers because we're all about caring about everybody so much, though it's a little scary when you stand out. But if you don't stand out, you're not gonna grow and you're not gonna be successful, and you gotta be comfortable. No, you gotta be able to tolerate the discomfort of that as you grow. That's what you're doing. You're tolerating the discomfort at each level and then it's like, okay, I'm good, now that's great, I love that.

Lisa: 52:10

And allowing it to expand me like expand my capacity and what I can do right, like I think about it as expansion and something else that might be helpful for people that are building practices that are serving people, like one of the things that I've also had to become uncomfortable with is the fact that not everything I say there is for everybody.

Lisa: 52:32

And there's probably someone's gonna listen to something that I said and something's not gonna land for them and not gonna. Maybe it's gonna make them angry. And when you change your pricing policies, nine people are gonna like it and one person's not gonna like it being said.

Lisa: 52:45

And the thing is that sometimes and this is where I think social media can become problematic because there's this idea that, like, if anything you say hurts anybody or triggers anybody, then it needs to be shut down right away.

Lisa: 52:56

But I actually think, like anything that anybody says could be harmful to somebody at some point or isn't gonna work for everybody at one point.

Lisa: 53:03

And like I have to and I think about this in terms of like, if I hop on one day on social media and I'm like hey, I feel great, like I hope you're having an awesome day, like don't forget to get out and move your body and like maybe do a little dance party and throw in some music, you know there's gonna be nine people that are like yes, I was in a bit of a rut and here I go and I'm gonna throw in the music and feel really good, and there's gonna be one person that's like it's gonna be the wrong time for them to hear that and what they needed to hear was that they should actually be resting and nurturing their body and giving themselves some grace.

Lisa: 53:33

But I can't always know that for everybody, and what I think is way more powerful is being able to remember about who I do wanna serve and how I can serve them. And focusing on those nine and in everything that I do, and I feel this way as a coach and I hope that every I know everyone and that's listening your healers, your therapists, all those like they're doing, also the important work that for that one person, that what I share, that message that doesn't share, like what I hope that my work does and what I believe all of your work does, is to help that person in discernment, in being able to recognize what is for them and what isn't for them.

Lisa: 54:07

And I think that that's the work that we do is bringing back people to themselves and being able to heal who they are so that they're able to make empowered, aligned decisions for themselves.

Lisa: 54:19

And so I feel like we kind of need to, in the work, that we do make some of these decisions and give people the opportunity to have the wrong advice given to them or to hear the wrong thing, and for them to learn for themselves to discern what is and what isn't for them in that moment, in that day, in this life, and give them the confidence to move forward and do that.

Lisa: 54:45

But none of that healing, none of that empowered thinking, none of that learning happens if we don't show up and do our work for the people that are there to listen. Like none of that happens if we just close a door or we don't grow our practice or we don't increase our prices or we aren't able to serve people. Like none of that happens if we can't charge what we're worth, if we can't show up every day and feel aligned, if we can't charge enough to not only keep the lights on and pay the team and serve the people, but also go on vacations if we wish, or donate to causes that we care about, or take days off when we need them or drive the car that feels so exciting to drive into work every morning, like all of these things allow us to then do the work. It's a circle and it's I'm like moving with my hands as if everybody can see, but we get all in a relationship to each other and it's all connected.

Wendy: 55:40

Girl. I just wanna say preach Like, preach Like this is sorry that's another southern thing, but this is such a. You just encapsulated the whole thing for me Like this is what I want people to get. It does not help your clients for you to play small. It does not serve them, it just really doesn't.

Wendy: 56:04

When you bring your most powerful self to the work, you are making it possible for them to do the same. When you treat yourself with respect, you are modeling what that looks like so that they will do the same. When you have healthy money, boundaries and systems and pricing, you are saying this work is important and that's exactly the message we want to have. Right? And the whole point about discernment If you are for everybody, you are not for anybody. This is also like a core piece of business y'all. You don't need to serve everybody. You can't serve everybody, nor do you want to. And I would say if your messaging is, to be honest, wishy-washy enough that it kinda covers everybody, then it's not very good. Like your messaging needs to help people self-select that you are for me or you are not for me, and there's nothing wrong with that. That's actually healthy.

Wendy: 56:57

I love the point about discernment. That's so good, they said. You are such a delight you have. I love your energy. I love your smile, which nobody can see, but it's gorgeous y'all, and I love the confidence and humility that you bring. It's just a really sweet combination and I love it. Where can people learn about you If people want to follow your podcast or maybe check into some of your coaching or your programs or, head, for that matter, learn how to invest in real estate, which is a whole other world? Where do people find out more about you and connect with you?

Lisa: 57:34

Oh, thank you, and I want to say that I really deeply received those words. Thank you, wendy, and I think you are so gifted. I told you this on our prep call. I'll tell you this again like you are so good at listening, at being genuinely curious and also at, like, pulling out and expanding on the important points so that everybody listening really hears what the messages are that you think are important, and like you are so good at it and I yeah, I can see why your podcast is so popular.

Wendy: 58:05

And I know that it serves.

Lisa: 58:06

I know that it serves a lot of people. So, thank you for having me. It's been such an honor. If people do want to connect and learn more, they can follow me. I'm most on Instagram at the Lisa Me Show and I also have at Golden Girls podcast, and my podcast is on all the platforms.

Wendy: 58:25

TheLisaMichaud, y'all theTHE Lisa Michaud.

Lisa: 58:28

Well, you know Lisa Michaud

Lisa: 58:30

was taken, so I had to add something in the front there. And then the real estate. If anyone's interested now maybe just a quick point here. Like real estate is, I believe, is a really powerful way of being able to create multiple income streams and setting yourself up for financial success. So we have we hosted networking groups, we do them in person and we do them virtually. We bring in guest speakers, we bring people into mastermind and just to have this really beautiful community and it's actually called Intentional Real Estate Investors. It's our community name. So there's a group, facebook group, intentional Real Estate Investing, with Lisa and Troy, that it's free to join and you can then join. All of our events at this point are still free. We love doing that. And then we also offer coaching if people want one-on-one support in building that.

Wendy: 59:18

I love that. That's awesome. I actually know a therapist who has a couple of Airbnb's and who is, and I think, a few other pieces of property, so you just never know. That's really great.

Lisa: 59:29

And you never know.

Wendy: 59:30

And it's been fun, it's been delightful, it's been inspiring. My guess is that this will make a few people uncomfortable in a way that I think is probably good for them, so I'm fine with that. I hope that that's the case. If this challenges those who are listening to call you like oh gosh, I don't know what about this, then I just encourage you all of you guys who are listening if you find yourself leaning into this conversation and kind of going, this is a whole new way of thinking. This is great. I never considered this before and I love this. Well, that's beautiful.

Wendy: 1:00:03

If you find yourself resisting it, though, and feeling uncomfortable or squirming a little bit, or even getting a little judgy, then I encourage you to just be curious about that, like, what's that about? Because, whatever that is, my guess is that you're bringing that into your practice, so that's a place you can learn from. So this, one of the things I like to do like I said at the very end, before I ever bring one of these conversations to a close, is to just say is there anything that we haven't talked about, that I haven't asked you? Is there anything that's on your heart, any last thing that you wanna share that would make this conversation complete.

Lisa: 1:00:39

I would say for each person to really consider what good they could do and what values and visions they could live out if they had more access to money. What causes would you support? What are the things that are important to you that you could be more generous with? Like is that sustainability? Is it ethical business? Is it a certain animal that you're passionate about or a certain cause Like? What would that look like? Are there people in your world you would love to treat Like people that you see in your world that are so deserving that you're like? I wish I could give them $500 because they're going through a stressful time, or give them $500,000 because they're going through a stressful time, or someone who needs help Like I would love for people to just think on that and really reflect on that and allow themselves to dream on that, because money amplifies who you are.

Lisa: 1:01:39

And if who you are is. I mean, you're healers, like on some level you're a healer.

Lisa: 1:01:44

You're here to serve, you're here to help. Then explore that. What does that look like for me to live more in my values? And I'll also say this it doesn't have to be all about other people, it can also be about you. What support would you get for yourself? Would you have a cleaner? Would you have an admin team? Would you have someone take the social media that you hate to do off your plate? Would you have another therapist that could help out in your practice? Would you maybe add a sauna into your space?

Lisa: 1:02:14

Because maybe I'm like. I'm maybe like a coal plunge, like what would that look like? Like, what is the elevated, next level of you, your values, look like and how could money support that? Because I think it's really easy to think about, like and be judgy about what we wouldn't spend money on or what we perceive to be a waste of money, but it's really dang exciting and expansive to think about. How could I be better, how could my life, my vision, my impact, all of it be greater, my generosity, my support of my values, how could other people's lives be better, all of those things when I have money.

Wendy: 1:02:58

I got goosebumps when you started that. I'm like here it is, it is such, it's just so powerful and so perfect. Thank you so much. That is a perfect. I am always blown away by what people say when I ask that question, and this was no exception. Like just yeah, just think what is possible, and possible is a strong word. We've come back to that a few times a day. Instead of asking why can't you do something, just say why can't I and what would be possible if I had more money? And you said I had access to more money. Lots of ways to do that. I love that. I have to tell you I am coming to the Pacific Northwest on vacation in September. I'm gonna be up there for a couple of weeks, not far from Vancouver.

Wendy: 1:03:44

Okay, okay we're gonna have to connect.

Lisa: 1:03:48

Yes, yes, yes, I would love that oh you don't wanna sauna, if you wanna go and sauna.

Wendy: 1:03:52

Oh yeah, that's true. No, I don't. I live in the South. We're hot all the time. I don't wanna be hot.

Lisa: 1:03:58

Oh, so you wanna do an ocean swim? I hear ya, I hear you, wendy, let's get in there.

Wendy: 1:04:02

Oh, what a hoot, what a hoot, what a hoot. Well, thank you so much, y'all. Thank you everybody who's listening. Thank you for being with us today. Thank you for going along on this journey with us. I love all of you and I adore Lisa, and I am so glad we've had this conversation. Have a great week, everybody, and I will see you next time right here on the Ideal Practice Podcast. Thank you.