Hello and welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast . I'm your host , Kristen Kurtz , and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching , where I empower and unlock women to soar in their calling and roar with their voices . If you're curious to learn more about how coaching can help you unlock your potential , be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further . Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode . So tune in and let's unlock hope together . Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast . I'm Kristen Kurtz , your host .
Speaker 1I pray this episode is like a holy IV of hope for your soul . Please help me welcome my friend Donna Cole to the show . She is my sweet friend from Australia and it's been such a blessing to get to know her better . We actually met through a coaching mentor program with Kerry Olson , a mutual friend of ours , and we've just gotten to know each other better since we've been in this group together and she's been such a blessing . We'd love for you to just share a little bit more about yourself and then we'll get into it .
Speaker 2Thanks , kristen . It's so such a joy to be here and I'm loving getting to know you as well to soar , and it's so wonderful to talk to another pioneer as well , so thank you so much for having me . So I live in Sydney , australia , and I have been married for just over 27 years . We have six beautiful children , have the best husband I've been seeing in the spirit realm since I was well 18 months old actually . So I just love . I love helping people get free and I love helping people see in the spirit realm themselves and being able to know how God communicates with them .
Speaker 2Personally , I love prophesying over people and giving them God's heart . That's . My main gifting is prophecy and discernment , and so it's a fun thing . I facilitate a women prayer ministry at our local church and it's just so much fun . And I get to minister to people all over the world . I have a business called Courageous Kingdom Women and so through that I get to do inner healing with people , deliverance with people . I get to mentor them in prophecy . I've done so much training over the last 25 years and just graduated from Emma Starks Raising Profits Program , and so life is fun . Life is very , very fun and God is just so awesome .
Speaker 1Love it . Well , tell us a little bit more about you know , maybe , what brought you into business ? This current season is called launching pioneers , so I'm having a lot of women on who come with a very brave and bold and will use your word courageous yes , doing things that maybe others might be invited into but they might give a no . So what does that look like for you ?
Speaker 2Yes , well , it's been an interesting journey . For as long as I can remember , I love listening to people's stories . I'm just fascinated by how people tick , how they think , how their thoughts create their actions , why people do what they do . I love hearing about their life , and so an interesting story of actually how this formally happened was in 2013 . I put that we had a massive plant pot at the front of our house and it was going to rain that day and because it was under a shelter , it hardly ever got rain . So I dragged the pot out to put it under the rain and that was great . And then my husband was going out to get us Chinese for our date night and I didn't think that the pot would be heavy because it had been raining all day . So I go to pick up the pot and I burst three discs in my bag and my husband comes home and finds me leaning up against the wall in pain .
Speaker 2That was an interesting journey , so I was kind of I wasn't bedridden , but I was very limited to what I could do . So I thought what could I actually learn ? Because I'm a sponge and I love learning . So I said what could I learn ? And so I went online and I found this thing called life coaching . I didn't particularly know what it was , and then I signed up with a lady in England named Lynn Lee and she's fantastic , and so I learned how to be a biblical life coach through her . And then I started life coaching with people from a biblical standpoint and that was great , and I was doing lots of it for free . At the same time , I was learning more about prophecy and how to prophesy well and how to encourage people more in a formal setting .
Speaker 2And then in 2020 , 2020 , 2021 , the Lord said to me Donna , you need to start charging for your services because your husband's about to lose his job . Now my husband was a deputy principal of a high school so a government high school and I'm going . How on earth is he going to lose his job ? But so I dragged my feet and I started kind of trying to charge people , but then I felt really bad about charging people , so I didn't do it and I thought God was actually going to kill off my husband which is a terrible thing , because God doesn't do that but I wondered how on earth my husband was going to lose his job . Anyway , covid happened , hansi lost his job and now I'm the breadwinner .
Speaker 2Now this is the strangest part of the story is that my husband and I have completely swapped roles . Before that time , I was a stay-at-home mum , so I looked after all of our children . We'd been homeschooling for 12 years and so then , when my husband came home and I needed to build this business , he completely swapped roles and it was such a transition that I didn't ever realise . So he came home and of course he does things much differently to me and that's okay . But , boy , I found that hard . It was like he overturned everything . He changed everything and I was like , oh , I don't feel a part of the family anymore . And I said to him is this how you felt when you went to work ? Is that you didn't feel like you were kind of a part of a family , because I ran such a tight ship ? And he said yes , and it was such an eye-opener for me .
Speaker 2And then we've been living by faith for the last two years and it's very stressful . However , there's lots of peace in it too . But I've also said to James how is this how you felt , like having this burden , or carrying this burden of being the breadwinner of the family ? He said yes , and it's been such a blessing for me because I've ministered . I've just started ministering with so many men who are struggling under that burden of being the breadwinner and they kind of get a little bit hesitant with me until they hear that I'm the breadwinner and then they go oh , you know what it's like . And so it breaks down a lot of walls with men , which has been so interesting .
Speaker 2And then the Lord shows up and so now the business is moving forward and I can't . I'm only one person . So I said to the Lord look , I'm only one person and there's only so many hours in the day . I need some other sort of passive income . What can I do ? And he said to me you need you're very good at helping other people know how God communicates with you . I go to a different church and speak at their women's events quite often during the year and I do the activations with people to help people connect with the Lord . And so he said you have the anointing to do that , so do a course in hearing God . And so I said right , tell me what you want . So he helped me write the copy to do the sales page and things and what he wants in the course and everything , and I gave it to Carrie , our business coach , and then I gave it to my husband , who's a fabulous graphic designer artist . You know he's one of those people that can just do everything . He's amazing and he had it all up and the course was up in three days and this is where we are right now .
Speaker 2And so a lot of my clients are in America , which I love . I'm getting to know all the different states of America and the different accents and and customs and things . I'm learning words that I can't say because they have very different meanings over in America . So that's fun , and I have clients in 11 different countries around the world . So Zoom has been such a blessing and I've actually seen more miracles on Zoom than I have in person praying for people . Like it's amazing , like the miracles that I say even on Facebook Messenger praying for someone over Facebook Messenger .
Speaker 2I had a testimony of it yesterday , yeah , yeah , well , I actually don't have permission to share that one , so I don't know if I can , but , however , what happened was they had sent me a prayer request . I won't give detail , but they sent me a prayer request and so , because of the time zone difference , obviously it was quite a while after she'd sent it to . When I gave the message , I prayed over Facebook Messenger and she , she was somewhere . The lady was somewhere . She felt the anointing and God's presence come upon her and she went oh my goodness . And she went . I don't have pain . This is really strange . And she didn't know I'd sent her a message until later on . She listened to my message where I was praying over her , and then she looked at the time that I sent it , and the time that I sent it was the time she felt the anointing fall on her . No , it's just like we serve a limitless God . Truly nothing is impossible with him . It's amazing .
Speaker 1And just the fact that we have these tools that can you have a global ministry slash business .
Speaker 2Yes , oh gosh , no , I was . It's funny . I had a head teacher at a school once tell me , I can tell you're an uneducated mum . And I just went Right , okay , then that's your opinion , and so it's really interesting . I think that culture is kind of changing , but it was definitely the culture when I , when my kids were little that to be to be a stay at home mum , you are uneducated . Now that's what he said . He said I can tell that you're an uneducated stay at home mum , and I just went . Well , that's really interesting because I have studied different things for 25 years , so I am definitely not uneducated , but it's just interesting . And that taught me a good lesson to go .
Speaker 2I don't have to take on what other people say about me because I already know like , and that's okay , but no , never in a million years would I have thought that I would be here .
Speaker 2I did have a prophecy 25 years ago of a gentleman who came to a previous church we were in and he said he gave me this like outrageous prophecy of what I thought you'll be speaking on stages and people will ask you to come and speak and blah , blah , blah . And I went seriously like how on earth ? And I was very , very insecure at the time and I thought , okay , well , if I'm on stages and people will know that I'm okay , which was ridiculous and , as I often say , I really praise God he did not let me loose back then because I was very wounded and would have just like left a trail of destruction in my wake wherever I went because I was so wounded . So I spent the last 25 years with the Lord and getting help in prayer , ministry and things to get really healed . Like everyone , we're not completely there yet , but I am so like totally different person than what I was 25 years ago . And it's really interesting because the more healed I got , the less I wanted to be on stage .
Can you like a little bit of your journey there ? Because I you know , whenever I'm interviewing , I kind of do a little stop sometimes where I'm always imagining one woman who's listening to this and I'm wondering if she is wondering about your journey and like where have you , you know , found that healing ? What were the things that came across your path that really helped you along the journey ? Because I am running into a lot of women . You know myself and , as we know , there's a lot of . You know people who have gone through a lot of trauma in their life and I know you've gone through things . I've gone through a lot of things and I'm a completely different person too . Would you be open to sharing a little bit more Whatever you feel comfortable with in ?
Speaker 2that realm . Yeah , sure , I don't particularly share details , simply because I want to protect people . But , yes to say , I grew up in trauma , would find yes , say things . And then that led me to . I chose , not led me to , but I chose a very destructive path .
Speaker 2After I left home and I kept making very bad decisions , I got myself into very frightening situations , all because I wanted to be loved . And that was the bottom thing . I didn't know that I was loved by God , even though I saw in the spirit realm . I was very tormented by the demonic realm , very , very tormented . And so it wasn't until nearly eight years ago , actually , that I went and got some prayer counseling from a guy who didn't know me at all , and I walked in and he said oh , donna , do you want this torment to stop ? And I just burst into tears and I said , yes , I would give anything for this torment to stop . And so I spent two hours with him and his prayer team and the torment stopped . It was just amazing . And then I began to see more angels , I began to see Jesus , I began to see what the Lord more of what the Lord was doing rather than what the enemy was doing .
Speaker 2But in that process I went and sought help . I went and saw counselors , I went and sought psychiatrists , I went and sought psychologists and I seemed to get to a point with nearly all of them where they went I don't know how to help you anymore . And so it got to the point when that happened for the third time and I just cried out to God and I said Are they you heal me or show me what to do , or I'm out of here because I don't know how to live in my own body , I don't know how to live in the space that I'm in . Now that can sound really selfish to someone who has not had trauma , who has not had dysfunction , who does not have the enemy tormenting them all the time , because on the outside I have the most fabulous husband . My children are our children , are fantastically amazing . None of us are perfect , but they're amazing . So on the outside everything's wonderful , but on the inside I could not get away from my mind . I couldn't get away from the pain , I couldn't get away from the heartache . I just I couldn't get away from anything .
Speaker 2And so then , when I was pregnant with one of our children , I things got really , really bad . It was actually , before I was pregnant , Things got really , really bad and I actually made a plan , and I had the plan to go and commit suicide . And I just said to God I can't , I can't do this in my head , I can't live with me anymore . This is just so painful and the only way I can describe it is like a massive black , thick fire blanket is wrapped around your head and your chest . You can't see , you can't breathe , you just despair . That's what I like , and to despair that there's just no hope . The very life and hope has sucked out of you . And it's awful . I wouldn't wish it on my , I wouldn't wish it on anyone . It is just horrendous . And so I said to the Lord that's it , I'm done , I am pleased to give me , but I just I can't do this anymore .
Speaker 2And then I was going to a prayer ministry counselling session that night and I I didn't say anything at all because that afternoon I'd actually taken a pregnancy test . And lo and behold , I was pregnant and I was a blubbering mess at the prayer , at the prayer time , because God knew that I would never do anything and this is just me . There's nothing to say about anybody else , but this is just me . He knew that I wouldn't do it if I was pregnant , and so I didn't do it and praise God I didn't , because I had more children after that , which then they're just the blessing of my life , they're just wonderful , and so I . It was a long journey . I couldn't find anybody who would actually disciple me , which I , I must admit , I have a massive gripe about in the body of Christ that discipleship is so lacking . So I actually disciple people now because I want to be for someone else that I didn't have . So everything that I learned , I went and learned on my own . I didn't have anybody walking beside me to go . This is the way you should go , or how about you learn this ? Or I had to go and find the other courses and stuff .
Speaker 2I recognized that I had a prophetic gift . I knew things before they were going to happen . There was quite a lot of things . One night my dad was an interstate truck driver and when I was a kid I woke up bolt upright at 12 o'clock at night and went dad's been in an accident and five minutes later the police are knocking on the door to say yes , my dad had gone to sleep at the wheel . This was before there were seatbelts and he went through the windscreen . So I know I knew that I knew stuff .
Speaker 2And then , when I learned that I had a prophetic gift and I was learning from God , I made a mistake and gave a prophetic word in a wrong way and I really hurt someone and I caused a lot of damage . And so I went to the pastor at a different church not the church right now , but a different church and I said can you please help me , can you please teach me how to do it ? And they shut me down and said no , you are never to prophesy again . And I was always encouraging , like every one of my words , except this one was encouraging . And so I went OK , I have the choice Either I can shut this down or I can try and find out about it and learn . So from that point on , I've spent the last 20 years learning .
Speaker 2I've sat in a course probably for the last 20 years on the prophetic because I want to get better at it and I want to encourage people , and then , when I do get warnings , I'm able to give it in a way that can be received by the other person in a kind , redemptive way , because God always has a message of redemption .
Speaker 2So for me to answer your question , I had to go on a long like a 25 year journey of trying to do it myself and having God say OK , this is what I want you to go and learn this course .
Speaker 2I want you to go and sit under this person , I want you to reach out to this person and , as I said , this is why I have a massive gripe about the body of Christ , because the discipleship is so lacking and we wonder why people leave the church and why they don't want to stay because the discipleship isn't there . And this is freaking hard , like doing the Christian , doing life is freaking hard and we need people to come alongside us who have gone before and gone . Hey , you need to slap up side the head right now . What are you thinking ? Or , hey , you're doing really great . How about we hone this ? How about we increase this in you ? So , yeah , it's really tricky and people kind of don't know what to do with me because I do see in the spirit so well and so it can be a bit threatening to people , and that's OK .
Speaker 2And another thing that I encourage your listeners to as well the more you get healed , the more that I've discovered other people's insecurity get raised up around you and so I've had some very interesting conversations of late and I've gone . I have no idea what's going on and the Lord has shown me that it's not even because I've said anything , it's because I'm in the process of getting so healed that it actually raises up other people's insecurity and I just love on them and be really kind because I remember . I remember what it was like being there and I'm not totally there , like I do still have some insecurities , but I can deal with them really quickly now . So I'm very kind to other people and loving most of the time . Sometimes I get frustrated , but most of the time I'm loving when other people's insecurities rise up because I remember . I remember what it was like .
Speaker 1When we've been on this journey and some of the things that you've mentioned definitely some parallel things that I've walked out as well , just feeling like I've been on this journey without obviously he gives us direction , but not having someone alongside to be like , well , this might be a key for you for healing , but it's been more my own , like him showing me and or me doing my own quote , unquote research , if that makes sense , absolutely it really ties . It does it really ties into being a pioneer , being a trailblazer , being one that's willing to kind of go first and go okay . This is what I've found and I want to teach you because that's you have a huge teaching gift like you . We did a workshop with Donna last week in my Facebook group and I mean it just pours , it emanates , you have walked through , it comes out just naturally and then you get to set others free through that .
Speaker 1I think , the big key that you know , for those of you who have walked through things and you have these gifts , you know you have a calling on your life . You can't just stay on the sidelines .
Speaker 1No , there's people that are waiting for what you carry . You know , I'm a coach too , donna's a coach . I'm not a coach for everybody , donna's not a coach for everybody . So that's why we need to like raise up other voices , right ? Yes ? And when things there's no competition , I know I'm for everybody and everybody's not for me . You know what I mean .
Speaker 2Yes , ten years ago I maybe wouldn't have thought that I don't know , I think we all start off that way , though Kristen we're going to go and save the world and we're going to help everybody , and it just doesn't work like that , does it ?
Speaker 1It's not like bull and we've talked about this before . Like I , you know , we both have , you know , learned things in the business world .
Yes , and for me personally and maybe this is just a little side conversation for those of you in business but for me personally , like I don't feel like I'm one who can like niche down into like a micro chasm of who I'm supposed to work with . Yes , I'm not actually set free . Actually , donna was one who prophesied over me , you know , just really confirming that that is not for me personally , like that's not something that I'm to grab on to and run with when it comes to my own business . Now , do I have the vision of who these women are that I'm called to work with ? Yes , donna mentioned that she's working with men . Now I'm like , oh , I don't work with men , but God could change that , you never know .
Speaker 2I didn't up until December last year .
Speaker 1No , it's like how can you like ? We don't want to put God in a box , and we also don't want to put ourselves in a box either , Right ? So what does that look like for you personally ?
Speaker 2Personally , especially over the last two years of really living by God's direction and God's provision and all of those sort of things . It really is tricky because it's really interesting . My husband doesn't ever get anything said to him , but I'm the one who gets the comments Well , why isn't you should make your husband go out to work ? Well , one , I don't make my husband do anything and two , god said no . So if my husband goes back to work , then I can't do this because we're still homeschooling , we're kids who run around , go to work and do all these other things . So I'm like it's not a feasible thing .
Speaker 2So it really is a bit about being obedient in every day . So I have what's like CEO meetings with God and I say , ok , what do you ? You know everything that I need to get done for the part of the business , but what is it that you want me to do today ? So he directs and he , he lets me know of things and it's and it's very interesting it's . I've had to , I've had to learn to trust . I could either learn to trust or I could just give away what I'm doing and James could go back to work and we could just stop , and then I wouldn't get to help people , and I've totally forgotten the question you asked me , Kristen .
Speaker 1Well , I mean , I love this because I want to . I want to wrap back to that in a second Because I can't do something there and I'll have to remember what that is , but so sorry , Like in your business , what does it look like for you ? Like , has it been something that you felt like you need to ?
Speaker 2like micro niche but I think you that's right out of the box .
Speaker 1Yes , yeah , you want to just kind of go down that route a little bit .
Speaker 2Yes so sorry .
Speaker 2Yeah , I've done all the niching things as well . And then I'd kind of get a picture in my mind and I'd yes , I want this person . But then I kept attracting different people and I've gone , I don't understand , this isn't working . And so then I kind of pick a different niche and then I would attract different people to that and I would go , oh , whatever , okay , god , who do you like ? I thought he was telling me who my niche was , but obviously I was missing something and I just started saying , to be completely honest , I just said , lord , you bring me who you want to bring me . You tell me who you want me to minister to , who do you want me to reach out to ? And honestly , that's how I did it . And then all of a sudden , within two weeks , I had seven appointments with husbands and I went what the heck ? That was awesome , like I was so pleased and really happy . But I would . I'd never dreamed of working with husbands , because what do I have to share with husbands ? I have no idea , but I do .
Speaker 2I've discovered that I actually do , being in this situation of living by faith and being the sole breadwinner when I say that God is our provider . So I'm fully aware of that , that God is our provider , but he also uses us to bring in resource and finance for our family . So it's yeah , I've had to learn to say when God says jump , I say how high . And it really is a life laid down , like we often sing . There's so many songs about I surrender , I surrender . It's a whole other story . I loathe that word , surrender . The Bible talks about submission , not surrender . But that's just my thing , and so I've been submitting different parts of my life to the Lord over the years . And then last Sunday I had a mini meltdown and I laid in bed and five o'clock in the morning I said to God I hold nothing , I totally submit to you and I hold absolutely nothing in my hands . You can do whatever you want . And that shocked me that I'd actually got to that point . And then the opportunities that have opened up this week and crazy , like just crazy , and I go , wow , this is really interesting . So I have learned to answer the question of being .
Speaker 2I've stepped out of the box . Like he showed me and this is just for me , but it might encourage somebody else Is that God actually is an inner box . He can't be contained . However , we are in a box and we act and we live like there's small holes cut in the side of the box , and so we're peering out the side of the box . Well , we can't see very much . We can't see above , we can't see below , we can't see behinds , we can't see to the side , we just can't see . So we then think , from our perspective , that God is actually in a box . But he isn't . It's actually us who are in a box .
Speaker 2And I said to the Lord okay , I choose and I did a prophetic act , which means that I did in the natural something that's mimicking what's happening in the spiritual realm . So I stood up , lifted my arms up like I was lifting the lid off the box , and stood up and said I am no longer in the box , I wanted to see all that you want to show me . I want the full perspective . And then , since then , god has just been moving in all of these different ways of life , like in every area of our life . So a real key is to say when God says jump , we say how high ? And the key is to go and do what he says , because he's so good and everything he gets us to do . There's always a blessing . On the other side there's always someone that we can help .
Speaker 2Terri Savelle Foy says that somebody is waiting on the other side of your obedience , and that has so stuck with me . If I don't keep getting healed , if I don't keep sharing what the Lord has given me to share , if I don't keep prophesying over people , someone else is going to miss out and that I just I can't do that I want to get when I graduate , to go and be with Jesus . I want him to say well done , good and faithful daughter , and I don't want to bury my talents . I don't want to be like the guy who has the one talent . I want to be like the five talents or the 10 talents and says , yes , you have done well with what I've given you , and it really is about obedience . Submission and obedience . They're my two key values really submission and obedience to the Lord .
Speaker 1So good . I really . I love how you did that prophetic deck with the box , because we definitely are not meant to fit in boxes . I like to say I don't fit in a box , I burn them . Yes , amen . So when I captured something , when you said , you know , basically kind of that posture of laying down to write this , laying down to jump , it sounds opposite , like you get into a posture of laying down so that you can jump . It seems so opposite , doesn't it ?
Speaker 2But what I say is have you met God ? Like he's so upside down and he's so he does sing in a different way , however it's so the way he does things is so different to the world and that's why I love it , because it's it brings so much more fruit . We don't have to strive . When we're doing that , like it's really interesting , I have people saying and don't get me wrong , I do get . I do get tired when I'm prophesying a lot , because there is a lot of mental , emotional , spiritual , physical energy that does go out , but while I'm doing it , I'm so energized and I just love it . When we're in our lane doing what we're called to do , we are so empowered by Holy Spirit that we can just keep going and going and going . And obviously , yes , we do need to rest and yes , we do need to take time out , which I do .
Speaker 2I was telling Christen before that I had great calls yesterday and then I prophesied in a group for two hours and then after that I went and watched some how to Train your Dragon episodes with one of our daughters , and so that was my downtime in the afternoon and then I went back and did some more work . So there is . I don't like the word balance because I don't think there is such a thing , but I think that as long as we're staying in our lane , not taking on other people's things and not trying to do other people's things , we're not trying to jump into somebody else's lane , the empowerment of God is there , and then we really are energized by it . And so then when we take the time to rest even watching how to Train your Dragon God fills us with rest and that refreshing . And then you know , because I had the rest and then I was ready to go again .
Speaker 2So it really is that laying down , like God says give everything to Him . And then say God , what do you want me to do ? Now ? I have had a lot of people say well , that's just stupid , donna , you've got a brain in your head , so just do what you know you think . And I go yeah , try that . It doesn't really work . So I , of course , I do have a brain in my head and I do do things that I know how to do , but I submit everything to God and say what do you want me to do in this ? Is there a different way that you want me to do this ? And then he may interrupt and say OK , now I need you to send a text to this person . Now I need you to pray for this person . So it's just being really attentive to His nudgings , as it were .
Speaker 1Just even your you know recent example with this new course that you're doing . Yes , it was a download , very quick , kind of like something I got a couple of years ago . It was just I knew when it was him . He gave me a name for something three years ago . It went on a show for a little bit , got the name , and then I woke up one day and I heard the name and it was like now , and then the whole thing just dropped the whole print and then creating a landing page that I'd never done before .
Speaker 1It was like it was ready in one day , like , and I knew that that was him because it wasn't me trying to like go learn all of the tricks to make a landing page and then look at all the things and try to copy somebody else's thing . It was like quick , like boom . So tell us a little bit more about your recent experience with this course , because I got a little sneak peek of you know bits and pieces of what you're going to be doing soon and it is so powerful and I know that you know I would imagine that a lot of people could very much utilize this course to have a lot of breakthrough . But I'm going to let you just kind of talk more about that , because I could just go on about why and how people need this .
Speaker 2Oh , thank you , and it's so great that you stepped out and then you created the landing page and you , you did all of that . So that's applaud you as well , kristen . I have the blessing of having very gifted computer it son and my husband is very , very clever at all that stuff too , so he does that for me , which I'm very grateful for . So I have been teaching for a really , really long time , having the prophetic gift . Part of walking in a high level prophetic
anointing is to teach others how to how God communicates with them personally and teach them how to prophesy . The Apostle Paul talks about I wish that you would all prophesy . Well , to prophesy you have to know how God communicates with you . So there's actually a step before it and , like everything we learn and with all the prophetic gifts we learn , we can have the anointing to do it . But say that somebody is gifted in piano . They could be a prodigy and just play it really well right at the start , but a lot of the time to get refined they need to go and have lessons . It's just the same with the spiritual gifts that we have , and learning how God communicates with us is another thing that can be learned . So I've been teaching it for a long time , so the course name that God gave to me was how to confidently hear God . Clearly Now , because there's four main ways , overarching ways , that God talks to us , and that's through seeing , hearing , knowing and feeling . So the hearing part is thoughts in our head . We can just have thoughts drop into our mind so just say , you're just going about washing up , for example , or going for a walk , and then all of a sudden somebody's name drops into your mind and then it's like , oh , I need to call them . That is God communicating with you and you're hearing God . Another way is if you I love talking to a couple of my friends who are really Holy Spirit filled I shouldn't say that because we're all Holy Spirit filled . If we're a believer , we are all Holy Spirit filled , but they really tap into what a Holy Spirit is doing . That's a better way of saying it . And so when we're talking to each other , holy Spirit comes in and revelation starts coming out of our mouths and we just go . Did you know that before ? No , I just heard myself say that . So you can hear in the natural realm , holy Spirit speaking through someone else and you're getting revelation through someone else .
Speaker 2A very not so common way is to hear God audibly . I in person , I only know one person that that happens with on a regular basis . I know a couple of people that have heard God audibly , but it was because they weren't paying attention and God needed to be loud . But it is another way that God can communicate . So that's what they're hearing with the seeing , if you , imagination is a really good thing .
Speaker 2So a lot of what I see is in my imagination . I see the person in front of me . Then , in my imagine overlaid on that person , I can see what the angels are doing . I can see what demonic is attacking or tormenting that person . And whenever I see them and the person allows me to , I get rid of it . I don't pay them any attention . They're a nuisance , they're a pain , they're liars . I get rid of them .
Speaker 2But in your imagination , if you have a picture , that can be from the Lord as well , some people have what's called open visions , where it's like they're watching a TV screen right in front of their face , like in the natural realm . So I know people that have those as well and that seeing and knowing a lot of men walk in this . Women do walk in it too , but I've noticed that it tends to be a lot more men that walk in . This is knowing . You just know in your gut , you know something , you know that , you know that . You know . You have no clue how you know it , you just know it . And the last one is feeling , and this is quite a female thing , but men do have it too , and that's okay , because Holy Spirit is the same in everyone . But feeling . So we can walk into a room oh my goodness , what's happened in here ? Like we can feel what is going on in the room , or if we're near somebody we can pick up . Now they can be called like an empath or an intuitive that's kind of what they're called in the new age realm , I think . But that's what it is . They have the feeling gift and they can . They can feel what's happening in a person's life , or they can feel what's happening in , in the atmosphere around them .
Speaker 2They'll be often times when I'm just going about my day , normally not sad about anything , and then all of a sudden I burst into tears and I go what on earth is that ? And my husband needs to remind me to say ask God what he's sad about . Oh yeah , that's right . So then I go and ask God what he's sad about , and he'll tell me what he's sad about and I'll say do you want me to pray ? And then he'll say sometimes , yes , this is what I want you to pray , and I go great . And sometimes he'll just say , no , I just want you to sit here with me . And I go okay , so I'll just sit here and I just take a moment and I sit quietly with the Lord , because it's like we have this two way relationship and he wants to be with us , and so that's feeling . But there are keys to knowing this . Some people just don't know . I often hear people saying , oh , I never hear God , and my response is always have you ever had a good idea ? And they go yes , and I go , yes , that's God , you've had a good idea , so that's God . And so then it's kind of like , okay , well , how do I recognize that really quickly ?
Speaker 2One of our sons has ADHD , and so he doesn't get a lot of pictures in his mind , and so what I do with him is or what I've taught him to do is he can sit in a room and he'll say Holy Spirit , can you please highlight something to me in my room and then Holy Spirit will highlight something to him . It'll catch what that means is . It catches his attention and then he stops and focuses on it . And then he says , holy Spirit , what are you telling me in this ? And then he will know , something will just come up in him , he will just know it and he'll go oh okay , that's what that is . Or he'll see patterns . I was telling Kristen before , like he'll see numbers on street signs and when there come three or four or five of the same number on different street signs , he'll say Mum , I'm seeing a pattern again . What does this number mean ? And so then we'll discuss that .
Speaker 2So there's so many different ways that God communicates and my heart is to help people know these ways . I was once ministering with a CEO of a company and she says to me Donna , you have a terrible business plan . And I said what do you mean ? And she said well , you've just helped me get healed , you've helped me get answers , but you taught me how to do it myself . And I said yes , that's what I'm supposed to do , cause I'm not the guru . You need to know how to do this stuff yourself . And she said yeah , it's fantastic , but that's a terrible business plan . So it's the key of helping people to get to the point where they can do these things themselves , because we're not meant to keep going to other people all the time to get the answers . We need to know how God communicates with us . Does that mean that we never go to someone else ? No , of course not .
Speaker 2Community is very much on God's heart . Relationship is on God's heart . He wants people to come together . So in the class that I'm running , we come together as a group and we learn each of these subjects of the seeing , hearing , feeling , knowing , and we put it into practice . We have it's all very biblical teaching and we do lots of what I call activations , so we put it into practice . Let's see if this is your primary way that God communicates with you .
Speaker 2I don't often say how God speaks or how you hear God , because people automatically go . They tend to go automatically go audio voice but it hardly ever is , and so God communicates in so many ways and I often hear people saying God goes silent . No , he actually doesn't . He may not be speaking about or communicating about one subject that you want an answer to , but he's always communicating . To use something about something In Romans , one it talks about . God speaks through creation , so that no one is without excuse , and so he's always communicating . But I love helping people get into that space of knowing how he communicates with them . On a personal level . It's so exciting when you see someone's face where the lights have gone on . I just heard God . It just thrills me . It is so very , very exciting .
Speaker 1Such a gift you are . I mean , I feel like they're my world and I would say my boxes opened up quite a bit years ago when I learned that it wasn't just the audible voice . They're so much more . He is so fun , Like God is so fun . Yes , Just say that he is .
Speaker 1He put me outside , Like you take me outside of my house , especially , and you put me out in nature and he speaks to me through all the things numbers , Like I see numbers , repeating numbers all the time , or different little , like it'll , literally and I don't know if you ever have this happen too , but I might be walking on a trail and literally it feels like my body needs to turn , Like I'm not thinking about it , yes , but I turn . Or I'm led to like I'm literally looking straight ahead , whether I'm driving or walking , and all of a sudden it's almost like something's like kind of hitting my chin , like you need to look up now . And I've had times like multiple times , over and over and over again and you know me , I love eagles and I see them all the time but like I have had times where I literally am led to look up and there's an eagle like right over my face .
Speaker 1And I'm like I am going to fall over Sure , and I know , and that's not for everybody , right , it's not something that everybody experiences , but for me it always reminds me of Psalm 91 . And I feel like I'm , if I were to be like I said this to a friend earlier I feel like I should be a bird , like I'm called to fly , I'm called to soar . I don't have wings , but you know what I mean .
Speaker 2So whenever I see , them .
Speaker 1I'm like oh my gosh , laura , do you see me ?
Yes , it's a good reminder , isn't it ? And he loves to do that in the ways , and that's really unique to you . I'm sure he does it for other people too , but that's how personal he is , that's how interested he is in you , kristen , and in every person on the planet . He loves to communicate in the way that that one person understands there is no one size fits all . They just isn't in the kingdom of God .
Speaker 1I love that you get to so like that isn't something you can necessarily niche , because everybody needs this .
Speaker 2Yes , hence my dilemma .
Speaker 1For all like for all , for real . So , goodness , well , I would love for you to share if anything else is on your heart today . We will be sure to link your you know the link for the Confidently Hearing God course and make sure that that gets into the show notes . Anything else that's on your heart . I always like to end the show with you know , if you have on your heart right now , you know that one woman who's been listening , anything else you'd like to share with her and would you be open to praying over her today ?
Speaker 2Absolutely . I'm really sensing that the Lord is saying to your listeners that you are really important , like the person who's listening to me now , hear me say you are really important to the Lord . You are part of the bigger picture of all of creation . You are valued , seen and heard by your Heavenly Father and no matter what is happening in your life , no matter what has happened , no matter what is going to happen , he is always so close to you that you can feel His breath on your cheek . He is that interested in you .
Speaker 2Matthew talks about how he knows the number of hairs that we have in our head . Now , being women , being ladies , we have hair that goes down the drain and I often think , wow , god knows how many of my hairs just went down the drain . He knows how many are on my head . Now . That might seem like a really silly thing , but that's how personal he is . That's how personally he knows you . He designed you and fashioned you exactly as he wants you to be . Yes , we all have to have the rough edges smoothed off and that's okay . But with the personality and the quirks and all of those sort of things that you have , the Lord says there's nothing wrong with you . You are not broken . You are not broken . There's nothing in scripture that says that you are broken . You are wounded . You have a wounded heart that needs to be healed , and God is more than interested and far more than capable of healing your heart . I am a walking testimony of the healing power of God and he can do it for you . I am no different . I have the same Holy Spirit living in me . I just have a different gifting , maybe , to what you have , or maybe you have the same gifting as me , and people aren't sure how , what to do with you , as it were . But be encouraged . The Lord knew that when he created you , when he fashioned you , you are here for His purposes .
Speaker 2I was reading a blog the other day that said God is not here for our story , we are here for His . So we can ask God where do we fit into your story ? Where do we fit into your plan of creation , of history , of life itself ? And so know , sweetheart , that you are so important to the Lord . He never leaves you . He is always with you . Nothing is impossible for you . Whatever breakthrough , whatever miracle that you need right now , he can do it . He can do it . Read the word . Look at the miracles . I've been reading two Kings , three , four , five and six . Read the miracles . He's the same God then as he is today . He can do these miracles and I pray great blessing .
Speaker 2So , father , I thank you for this person who's listening to me today . I thank you for Kristin . I thank you that she is sharing her beautiful message with the world , her powerful message with the world , and I pray that her message will go far and wide throughout the earth . I thank you that she gives opportunity for other people to share the message that you have given them .
Speaker 2And this precious lady , this precious person , whoever they are , who listens to me now , I pray , father , that you would show them , without a shadow of a doubt , how you communicate with them , how you love them , what you love about them , what brings you great joy , what brings you great delight about this precious and mighty person . Now , in Jesus' name , I pray right now , jesus , that you would release your shalom piece into this lady's atmosphere , into this person's atmosphere and into their heart , their soul , their mind , their body , and that they would know your closeness , they would feel your healing power and they would have an encounter with you , even right now and in the continuing days and weeks . I thank you so much , god . I praise you , King Jesus , for you are totally awesome , and I pray great blessing upon everybody who hears my voice in the name of mighty Jesus , amen .
Speaker 1Amen Ooh . Thank you so much for sharing today . I just love you .
Speaker 2I love you as well . You are just totally an inspiration and such an encouragement to me , and I so value your friendship , kristen .
Speaker 1See you too , my friends , right back at you . High five all the way across the ocean . Right , absolutely Well , thank you for being a brave voice who sets others free . I'm gonna close the podcast today with our anchoring verse . It's May the God of Hope Fill you with All Joy and Peace and Believing so that , by the power of the Holy Spirit , you may abound in hope , and that's Romans 15-13 . So thank you again , donna , and , like I said , we will link in the show notes the access and the link for you to join the course . Can you just share ? I didn't ask you when does it start ?
Speaker 2It starts on . For my lovely American people it starts on March 6th , but anybody in Australia it starts on March 7th . So it only goes for five weeks , which is really exciting , and the last week is where we are going to be doing really like the whole hour and a half . The other classes go and you go for an hour , but then the fifth one will go for an hour and a half and we are doing full on activation . So people bring their questions , that they have for God , the things that they wanna hear about , and we will be really diving into the , into getting God's answers and getting God's solutions and hearing from him himself . So it's gonna be a very exciting time .
Speaker 1I cannot wait . I'm gonna take part in it too . So if you happen to hear this podcast in a year , in the show notes there'll be some contact information for Donna as well . I'm sure she'll be running some more goodness at that point as well . So thank you again , Donna . I will talk to you soon and I'll see you guys next week for another episode . Bye , Thank you .