From Diagnosis to Freedom: Debbie Thomas’ Radical Healing and Soul-Tending Journey

In this unforgettable episode of Hope Unlocked, Kristin Kurtz welcomes Debbie Thomas, founder of Soul Tender Wellness, to share her powerful testimony of healing Stage 3 skin cancer naturally. What began as a devastating diagnosis became a divine turning point. Through a wide range of God-led healing modalities—including black salve, heavy metal detox, bioresonance scanning, and deep emotional and spiritual work—Debbie experienced radical healing in body, soul, and spirit. Guided by faith and a relentless pursuit of truth, she now empowers others to uncover the root causes of dis-ease and embrace holistic wholeness. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone seeking hope, healing, and the courage to walk a different path.

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Welcome to Hope Unlocked

Speaker 1 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast . I'm your host , kristen Kurtz , and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching . I help and empower wildhearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck , unlock their true purpose and potential , break free from limitations and thrive with confidence , courage and hope . If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me , head to newwingscoachingnet and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further . Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode . So tune in and let's unlock hope together .

Speaker 1 0:48

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast . I'm Kristen Kurtz , your host . I pray this episode is like a holy ivy of hope for your soul . Please help me . Welcome Debbie Thomas to the show . I am so excited to have her here with us today . We actually met through a mutual friend and at a very divine time . We were just talking about this before we got started . Just these convergences that happen with people , and I definitely feel like that was the case last year . Before we get into that , would you be open to telling us a little bit about yourself ?

Speaker 2 1:24

Sure Well , thanks for the great introduction , kristen . I'm so blessed to have met you a year just about a little under a year ago , through our mutual friend , amy . Yeah , I am just a regular person who , 12 years ago , was diagnosed with a stage three carcinoma on the left side of my head while going through a rotten second marriage very toxic marriage and was going to get the cancer taken out like everybody else and ended up going down a path that I never expected to journey down and healed the cancer naturally , and I have to say it's the best thing that ever happened to me , and so I have a story to tell on how the body can heal itself when given the correct tools to do so , and I'm just so grateful to be here .

Speaker 1 2:14

Yes , thank you so much . Debbie actually was one who came alongside me as well when I was given a diagnosis from a dermatologist for something that I had on my nose and I'll just share . Like when I heard the diagnosis prior to that , I heard in my spirit all clear , like I was seeing that it was not going to be what they were saying that it was going to be and that I was not willing to go down that road that you had the option for as well . And yeah , it was a pretty wild journey . But I would love for you to kind of backtrack for us , like what that journey looked like for you when you were given , you know , similar diagnosis . You know we were both on our face , right , and yeah , tell us a little bit more about what that looked like for you .

Speaker 2 3:12

Well , I think just leading up to getting

Debbie's Cancer Diagnosis

Speaker 2 3:15

that call that nobody ever wants , that says you have cancer and it really doesn't matter what kind of cancer I mean all cancer can be deadly right . So it doesn't matter where it is on your body . That's a really scary moment in your life that you don't think you're ever going to go through . And so at the time that the call came in , I was just at a real crossroads in my life . I was in my second marriage . I was terribly unhappy , totally in fight or flight , had married a man that I knew many years ago in college . That basically was kind of living a double life and I won't get into that , that's a whole nother podcast . But I'll just say that to say that I learned so much through this journey that there are emotional roots to cancer and , I believe , to many dis-eases in the body . That it's all connected mind , body , soul , spirit . So I'm so grateful for that part and I'm actually really grateful for the time in my life when the cancer came out , because it forced me to deal and look at the situation that was going on in my current marriage and then deal with some undoubt , with trauma from my first marriage and then from my second marriage . So the story goes that I had I just I kept getting lots of headaches and I had this funky sore on the left side of my head . I'm talking for , I want to say , well over a year . And finally , I used to own Christian boutiques , I had stores , I used to design Christian clothing and that was my field . I thought that was going to be my field for the rest of the year , or the rest of my life , excuse me . I was very successful , loved it . It was really my ministry . But it was getting hard to do that ministry when my marriage is a mess and not feeling great and I talk with my hands a lot and at the time I had pretty long fingernails and I talk with my hands and I I swiped the left side of my head with one of my nails and it felt like somebody put a dagger in the left side of my head and I just thought innately . It was like this is not good , like this is not , this is not normal . It felt like an ice pick went in my head . So I went to the head and neck cancer center of Arizona .

Speaker 2 5:27

I lived in Arizona 31 years , so at this point I'm living in Arizona it's where I raised my kids and just thought , well , I don't know what they do , they freeze it off , they . You know I'm not thinking I have cancer , I'm just like I don't know . I mean , I'm not worried at all , I'm just like get it off , like just freeze it off or whatever you do . And so the doctor comes in the room and was a female doctor , she was the one that I was told to go to and she immediately just said that's doesn't look good , let's take a punch biopsy . So they take a very painful Again . I'm not prepared for any of this and I think I'm just , you know , really living in the area of this is not my life right , like I'm just kind of zoned out in other parts of my life . So they do the biopsy . They said we'll call you in like five or six days .

Speaker 2 6:14

Well , the very next day I'm sitting there having lunch with my then husband and they call and they're like you need to get in here immediately . This is a . Actually they were worried that it was a cranial carcinoma manifesting as squamous cell carcinoma . But they're like it's the way that this is presenting itself and that's why they called so quick . Like this is a type of cancer that spreads very quickly . Next it will go into lymph nodes , possibility of thyroid , and then down to breast and I know nothing about cancer at this point . I own stores and down to breast and I know nothing about cancer at this point . I own stores and make Christian clothing and I'm like what , what , what , what . So she's like you need to schedule . Here's the number . Call this number to schedule with one of our four surgeons . You need to get in immediately .

Speaker 2 6:59

So obviously I should have gone in , probably a year or even before that . I think it had been over a year since I've been having different weird symptoms . So of course I you know , I'm just totally shaken up and not really feeling great support from my partner at the time for many other reasons . I had just caught him in a lot of lies and this whole second life that he was living . So I run in the kitchen , call the place and and the nurse had said on the phone like this is the doctor you're going to want for your type of cancer , cause it's on the left side of my head , it's very close to my eye .

Speaker 2 7:32

So I asked for that doctor and that doctor had basically an eight week waiting list . They're like you're , it's going to be a four hour surgery , we're going to wheel you across the hall for plastic surgery and so for that type of window they couldn't get me in . Basically , for eight weeks is what I'm being told , and again , this is all kind of still just a blur at the time . I can't believe this is my life . I'm like what , what stage , like what ? And so I said , well , I want that doc just put me down for okay . So I've got eight weeks and it's just not registering , but I'm thinking eight weeks , that's like where's the cancer going to go by then ?

Speaker 2 8:07

So I hang up the phone . I've got my appointment set and I'll tell you what , kristen , we wouldn't be talking right now . If I could have gotten in the next day or the next week . I would have had it cut out and moved along with my life . Probably I don't know if I'd still be in the same marriage , probably would have had multiple cancers come out in different areas because of the way I would have treated it . Because when we puncture a cancer cell it innately knows to spread fast and far in the body . So I didn't know that at the time . So I have to say I mean with right now , with chills head to toe . This was one of the biggest blessings in my life was this cancer diagnosis and the fact that that particular surgeon who I felt confident with that that's who I was supposed to go to , that they couldn't get me in for two months . So I started researching cancer .

Speaker 2 8:53

I was raised on a big ranch in Illinois , big horse farm , and I was raised by very hardworking parents . My dad was an attorney but he also was a polo player and my mom taught pony club and we had this big , big farm and all of us . I'm second youngest to seven kids and I was taught to roll up your sleeves and get in it . You get to work . We shoveled stalls , we baled hay . We were hard workers as kids and that's really who I am , through and through . So I'm like , okay , I'm going to start educating myself on a cancer cell . What is a cancer cell ? How does a cancer cell live ? You know why ? Why would I have cancer ? I'm in the gym every day , I'm super in shape , like I eat well , like I'm like , why do I have cancer ? So that's the beginnings of the story and the diagnosis and it led down this crazy . I mean , even as I retell it so many times since then it's been 12 years I still think , like , thank you , lord , that this is the journey you had me on . I had no idea what was coming . I was still going to go have the surgery .

Speaker 2 9:55

Well , lo and behold , he took me down a path to this naturopath , and then this person at church , and then this functional medicine doctor , and then this raw food chef , and then this frequency medicine specialist , and I went down this path where each of these doors opened and it was led to this person , this person , this person , and then I created my own , basically like nine steps of , and it was by no means easy , but I created my own healing path because of , basically , you know , eight to 10 hours of research a day .

Speaker 2 10:27

I was obsessed with what is a cancer cell ? How can you get rid of it ? Is it possible , like I'm finding online , all these people have done it naturally and I'm like I didn't even know you could cure cancer naturally , like how you know , and again , this is 12 years ago . You can find a lot more online right now , and I connected with different people from all around the world , mostly Australia . They use a lot of black salve , which is one of the tools that I use to pull the cancer out . But the Lord just led me down the path to meet the correct people , or the people that he had in mind , to help my body be equipped to heal itself . And that's really what it is my body healed itself when given the tools to do so .

Speaker 1 11:46

Yeah , well , I'm . I'm gathering that people are wondering like what ? What did you learn ? Like , what did you find out initially when you were doing your research ? That was , I don't know like , maybe like the most shocking for you , especially in this realm of you know , skin cancer , because you know , even in my own family , for myself , like over the years you know , I've been one who's very freckly right . I'm spotted .

Speaker 1 12:14

Yeah , fair skin they want you like going in every year they want . At one time I was going in every six months to get biopsies and different things and getting things frozen off and not knowing right . Because that's I think that's a key here is . Debbie went on a research journey . She felt well , part of it too was that that delay , quote , unquote where you would have to wait eight weeks . So you had time in between , but you had the wherewithal to say I want to know what is the why behind this ? What is the root cause ? Could you like take us there a little bit , like in your first findings ?

Speaker 2 12:59

Sure , Well and I'm just going to be brutally honest here , I have nothing to hide , but I think my motives at that point , in the very beginning , were very vain . I thought well , they're telling me there's a large tumor , multiple tumors , and I'm a little bit vain , you know , at 45 years old , and I didn't want there to be a giant hole on the left side of my head . So in my you know finite mind at the time I'm thinking well , maybe there's a way , if I eat something or , you know , change my diet or take some supplements , I can shrink the tumor so there won't be as big of a hole on the left side of my head . So that's the raw truth . That's really what started the journey of yeah .

Speaker 2 13:37

But I also did want to know like , why would I cancer ? Like I'm super healthy , I live healthy , I you know da , da , da , da . Well , so , as I touched on earlier , the first thing I learned about cancer is that it has a very thick cellular wall . And the last thing , type that when you go in and poke through that thick cellular wall , those cancer cells get really pissed off and they spread fast and far . And that's why we see , you know , sally Sue , that has breast cancer , has gone through Western medicine to not I'm not going to say to heal it , but to get it taken out has done some chemo , radiation , yada , yada , and I'm not knocking anybody for doing that . But I will tell you , you know , we all go do the cancer walk and we get all excited that this person's cancer free . And then five , six or seven years down the road it's come back . It's in the spine , it's in the brain , it's in the lungs . If you understand , you know it's like looking under the hood of your car to understand how the engine works , like , how does gas work in a car ? Well , how do our cells become cancerous ? So I learned that a cancer cell is nothing more than and I and I like to minimize it when I talk about it , because in our world , here in the United States at least , we've made cancer so taboo and so scary that the only hope you have is to go to your doctor and whatever he says to do you're going to do because that's threatening your life , and that's it . You have a one-way street to the end of to get out of that door , of whatever they have to offer for cancer .

Speaker 2 15:15

And I'm here to tell you that is not true , and that's one of the biggest things that I speak to people . I'm not going to tell you how to heal this or that . I can share my journey , but what I do tell all of my clients now is to be your own health advocate . Look at your body . You only get one . You know , by the grace of God he gave us these amazing

Beginning the Healing Journey

Speaker 2 15:35

machines that when we actually can unburden the toxic , figure out what the toxic load is , lessen it in the body and then replace it with tools , all natural tools , to help the body heal itself the way it was designed to do it , you can overcome dis-ease . So I'm learning through .

Speaker 2 15:54

So what you asked is early on . What am I learning ? I'm learning that cancer doesn't like to be pissed off . You don't ever want to do a biopsy and I'm learning that I need to become alkaline . Cancer only grows in an acidic environment . So okay , let's some elementary facts here . What causes you to be acidic ? One of the biggest things that causes you to be acidic ?

Speaker 2 16:14

Besides your diet sugar , starches , red meat , caffeine , you know , and everybody processes that a little bit different , but also undealt with emotions , high stress , cortisol off the charts . You're in fight or flight . Toxic relationship , undealt with trauma , undealt with hurt , anger , resentment , shame , grief , you name it . Well now , as I'm researching this , I mean this is literally day one my eyes . I mean I cannot read it fast enough . I'm going well , that's me , all those things like I'm in fight or flight . I'm literally like fighting for my life here trying to figure out .

Speaker 2 16:50

I'm two years into my second marriage and I'm literally miserable . I married a man that literally doesn't exist total , I won't label him and won't get into that , but it I , I was married to an imposter and I had to figure out how to get out of it . He at the time had gotten a job swindled in and gotten a job at my dad's law firm , and so now he's , you know , on the on the pay cycle at one of my dad's law firms and I got to figure out now how to go tell my dad that this guy's a total shyster . So that's right . When the cancer hit , and now I'm reading first day , thank God for the internet . Right , that cancer . Can you know there's an emotional route to , I believe , all cancers and that I need to get alkaline .

Speaker 2 17:35

So then I start researching well , how do I get alkaline ? I've got to deal with the emotional part . I get that which I don't really know at the time how to do that . But I'm reading through okay , I have to do this . And then also through my diet .

Speaker 2 17:47

So then I'm looking up an alkaline food chart . Well , what foods do I eat ? You know I'm pretty smart girl , so I'm just trying to like put these pieces together . It's like a big puzzle and I'm finding one piece at a time and trying to figure out where it fits . So I got on the phone .

Speaker 2 18:00

It took me about two days to find a raw food chef . I learned that there's a lot of alkalinity in raw food and when we don't cook our food and again , this isn't for everybody . This was what I chose to do for me to help heal my body . But when you're not eating cooked food , that's all depleted of all your nutrients . When you're eating raw food , the body can assimilate it so quickly and use it for fuel and use it to heal the body . So I'm looking up foods that heal cancer . I'm doing my juices every day . I bought a really great juicer .

Speaker 2 18:31

I hired this raw food chef in Arizona at the time . She's amazing , haley still good friends with her . She literally is such a big part of my healing journey . She would come every Thursday . She'd bring a whole bunch of recipes . She'd give me my shopping list .

Speaker 2 18:44

We cleaned out the very first visit . We cleaned out all of the pantry , all the cabinets , redid all my spices . And again I'm a healthy girl , like I've been pretty healthy my whole life . Like I'm thinking , well , what are you going to clean out of my cabinets ? Well , let me tell you there was a lot and at the time I had three stepkids and my three kids . So you got , you got .

Speaker 2 19:03

Three kids were coming up on Easter and they're they know they're not getting chocolate or candy . I'm making everything raw which , looking back , my kids are , all you know , adults and in their twenties now . But they they , you know joke about that time of when they couldn't have candy . They were posting on , you know , instagram and Facebook , like our moms lost her mind , like , and so people like their friends were leaving like hidden Easter baskets and bags of candy at the front door so I wouldn't see , so they could take it up to the room . It was that bad but yeah . So those were kind of the just the baseline of I knew that now that I'd had this biopsy I'm like , okay , that wasn't good .

Speaker 2 19:43

The cancer can spread , so that's not good . I need to get alkaline . I know there's an emotional component . I know there's some you know things that I can juice and some supplements I should start taking . And and then , you know , now we're going into week after week of hours and hours of research of my type of cancer and figuring out .

Speaker 2 20:03

I have to say Arizona is a great place . It's a great state in the Phoenix , you know , scottsdale , chandler , gilbert area . There's a lot of natural healing modalities there and different functional medicine practitioners and naturopaths and homeopaths , so I had quite an array of people to choose from to start making an appointment with . I'm like I'm going to go do a blood draw and I'm going to go here and do some ozone therapy and I'm going to go here and do a lymphatic massage because as I'm going down this journey , I'm learning all these different things that have to do with you know could be related to cancer and this will help flush out the cancer cells and help the lymphatic system get moving .

Speaker 2 20:45

And yeah , and then I you know one of my good friends who worked at Mayo Clinic for many years and turned into a homeopath and frequency medicine specialist . She said you've got to go see this doctor . His name's Dr Ketover . He was a radiologist turned naturopath 30 years into frequency medicine . He's in Scottsdale . He'sover , he was a radiologist turned naturopath 30 years into frequency medicine . He's in Scottsdale . He's expensive , he's hard to get into , but I've been going to him for 17 years and he's healed tons of things . He'll he'll tell you what the roots of your cancer are . And I said , huh , like what in the world ? There's no way , yeah .

Speaker 1 21:24

Well , how , like can I just ask really quick how , how far into this , like , how close to the diagnosis was this timing of this friend saying go see this guy ?

Speaker 2 21:28

about a week because I she was somebody that I really respected in the health world . She had been in western medicine for so long . She was a trauma nurse and then turned into all holistic , everything and just very , very wise . She's about 10 years older than me and she's very emphatic when she speaks to you . It's like you need to do this and you don't say no to Marianne . And so she said you need to go see Dr Ketover .

Speaker 2 21:55

Dr Ketover is retired now , sadly so , because he had a long list of clients for many , many years that he helped heal through something called frequency medicine and to me back then 12 years ago I thought , well , that's nuts . Like frequency , what like frequency of a radio ? She said , debbie , just go . I said what's he gonna do ? I've got this thing on site like what's he gonna do ? She said he's gonna run you through a bunch of scans . You're gonna hold on to these two copper isotope bars that connect to a box , that connect to his computer . Don't ask questions . She said don't bring your cell phone , don't put makeup on , no hairspray , no lotion , no perfume , no , nothing . It's the most sterile environment and he'll . He'll reprimand you if you bring any of those things in there and he's not going to want to know anything about your cancer , he's just going to run scans and he's going to tell you exactly what you need to do to get rid of the toxic burden in your body . I said , well sounds , you know , it sounds very interesting . I'm not sure I believe what you're saying , like , not that I don't believe it , but this is very foreign to me . And so she made a call , got me in earlier . He had about a month and a half waiting list and next thing you know , so this is about a week after . I mean I remember like it was yesterday . I got the call on a Thursday and it was the following I think it was the following Friday I'm sitting in Dr Ketover's office in Scottsdale , arizona , holding onto two cold copper isotope bars , sitting in a chair with a 70 something year old man who did not talk much and I'm watching his screen .

Speaker 2 23:21

It looks like Chinese , it's like you know . I don't know what's what he's looking at or what this even is , but I'm trusting the process because of my friend and we get done . He's running , you know , maybe an hour worth of these scans and he's saying very little and he looks at me and he said young lady , open your mouth . And I was like , okay , is this part of the deal ? I opened my mouth and at the time I have nine silver amalgams you know fillings from childhood , and four that had turned into root canals that were on the left side of my head , like left side of my mouth , and he said he grabs a card of a biological dentist in Mesa Arizona . He slides it across the desk . He said you need to get all of that metal on those root canals out .

Speaker 2 24:04

You are the most mercury toxic client I've seen in 26 years of practice . And I I'm just going huh , like I don't even know mercury . I'm thinking when we're kids , you know , break a thermometer . Your mom says scram , get out of the room . This is all foreign to me and again I thought that I was this healthy girl . I'm like I don't . I said okay , what ? What do you mean ? So he explains a little bit more , very short , not a wordy guy . He was a little intimidating .

Speaker 2 24:33

And then he said you have one other route to your cancer and I said okay . He said it's emotional . He said in your liver you are holding onto absolute , you know , toxic amounts of anger . Let's see anger , resentment , shame and grief . And I started to sob and he said and it's from a either a death or a death of a relationship . Well , it was . It was my first marriage , you know , the love of my life , the father of my kids , you know , and there wasn't healing there and it was a very broken marriage and that's for another podcast . But I knew . And then here I'm in , I attracted a somewhat similar person and I'm in my second toxic marriage and don't know how to get out . So I am just sobbing and he says it's okay . He says I suggest that you go to a counselor and do some EMDR therapy , some trauma work . And you know he wasn't interested in hearing anything of what . What it was about . That wasn't his role .

Speaker 2 25:27

And then he imprinted a couple bottles of drops , these two ounce little bottles that look like water , and he said I'm putting all the frequencies of the different vitamins , minerals , emotional layers , you know , yada , yada , yada , detox for heavy metals in these drops . I need you to take them , as labeled , morning and night and come back in six weeks . And my head was spinning . I'm just looking at this white haired man going okay , okay , okay , and I'm wiping the tears away and I remember going to the front desk and paying the lady taking my little drops and walking to the car and I called Marianne and she says how was it ? How was it ? Was it incredible ?

Speaker 2 26:06

And I said I don't know what to think , marianne , I said he got right to the root of it . You know I'm I got to get all this dental stuff taken out and I got to go see a therapist and she said , debbie , whatever he said , he's right . You know , he cured my son's ADHD , he got rid of parasites for me . He's done this for this person , this for this person . I said no , I know in my gut , like I know in my heart of hearts , he's spot on , like what he said was very valuable . But I said I don't know what that machine was . And she's like oh yeah , your body's an electrical system . It measures frequency and those are the frequencies that you're missing , that your body needs to help heal itself .

Speaker 2 26:42

So , I hung up with her , got in the car , drove about 40 minutes back to my home in Chandler and just prayed the whole way and just said , lord , is this for me , like , is this ? I don't want to ever do something that's outside of what you would have me do . But this whole frequency thing , it makes total sense and I'm in . But if I shouldn't be in or involved in this , if this is not of you , please show me . And you know . From from then on , the doors just kept opening wider and what he showed me was how relevant this type of um therapy is . I don't even know if you would call it therapy , but frequency medicine and frequency scanning are very , very um . They're able to pull back kind of the smoke screen and see what's really going on with the body and what the body's trying to heal .

Speaker 1 27:32

Yes , well , and I love for the viewers if you're listening , if you caught this Debbie prayed about this and she was asking the Lord for you know . Basically a confirmation , right ? Is this the path you want me on ? And it was very clear for you , right , that this was your next step and I would have been okay .

Speaker 2 27:53

Like I'm , like Lord , I do not want to go

The Frequency Medicine Discovery

Speaker 2 27:55

where you don't want me to go . So if it was a no , then I would have thrown those drops in the trash and I don't even know if I would have gone to the biological dentist . But it was clearly a yes , because then of course , I race home and I start doing more research about mercury and about what is EMDR , and I actually have two sisters that are family therapists and at the time I called one of them and I said you know , what do you know about emotional trauma , emdr ? And she said you need to go . Emdr is so worth like , you need to go , you need to go .

Speaker 1 28:29

And so yeah , I just , and that was the same day , like you called your sister .

Speaker 2 28:33

Absolutely yes , and I , you know , I spared her the frequency part because I thought she's going to think I'm nuts . Everybody's going to I think I'm nuts . But I want to talk about the emotional piece because that was her forte and she reiterated that that was something that I needed to do . So , of course , in my little nine step healing protocol that I sort of self-designed as I went down this little path of meeting these different people , one of the big steps is the frequency medicine . You've got the raw food and getting alkaline and now you've got the emotional piece . I've got to I'm learning about the liver and that's where we store that anger and that resentment , and I had so much of it from my first marriage . I was holding on to so much I mean daily and then it was coming bubbling up in the surface , to the surface in my second marriage of these old wounds that I hadn't dealt with in the first marriage . So it's like double whammy . I'm like I got to deal with this stuff . I just didn't know how . I wasn't equipped .

Speaker 1 29:30

Right , right . So , as you were , like other than you know , just seeing this thing basically kind of manifest on your temple , was there any other like health things that were coming up for you around this time as well ? Yes , yes .

Speaker 2 29:48

That all makes sense . Now I was getting really bad headaches and they would be centered on that left side , like near the left temple . But this is another piece that now it makes so much sense . So I tell my clients , if you have these types of symptoms , please go to a biological dentist or go get a frequency scan done . So over the years , I would say probably leading up to that , the diagnosis , like three years prior , maybe every couple months , maybe it'd be six months , maybe it'd be six months , maybe it'd be two months . There was never a rhyme or reason . But on that bottom jaw . So I had two root canals on the bottom jaw on the left side and two on the top jaw so you can put your fingers along that jaw line of top and bottom . I would get little . I don't know . I know what they are now because I spent two years at my biological dentist . I went there about every two weeks for different treatments and surgeries but I had pus pockets so I would get terrible pain where I had infections at the base of all four root canals . I ended up going to the biological dentist . They run something called a cavitat scan . There's very few in the country that still have one .

Speaker 2 30:58

The American Dental Association was after this guy because he had healed so many people from Lyme and lupus and lots of cancers . They would fly in from all over the world to go to him . His name's Dr Margolis . Of course he's retired now too . I used to send all my clients to him until he retired . But he ran a scan on all four of those root canal sites and you can be rated from a one to four based on how infected they are , and one at the least four at the most all four were fours , and I had pus pockets at the base of all four of those root canals , so two on my upper jaw , two on my lower and they would get swollen , inflamed . I could feel them underneath my jaw and so I would find myself throughout the day taking like my forefinger or thumb and pressing deep into it , almost like when you have a knot on your neck and you just press into it to relieve it . I , you know , I got so used to it . I own stores , right , I'm talking to customers all day , so I'd find myself . You can even see in pictures I've got like one . You know my thumb is up against my jaw because it just became a regular thing where I would press that infected pus pocket to relieve really what the it was pooling a bunch of gunk there , all these toxins and yuck . And that's actually a really interesting story because when I got I had two cavitation surgeries . He made me do them six months apart , so we did the bottom two and then we did six months of healing , then we did the top two . And I'm talking , kristen , like more .

Speaker 2 32:28

This was a surgery nobody wants to have . These were all in big molars . So they crack the molar , they extract the molar and the post , which the post is full of all kinds of heavy metals , mercury being one of them , cadmium , lead , beryllium I had them all . I mean , I was off the charts . And so many metals they take it out . I did not want to do any type of dental implant . I was so afraid of putting any more toxic substances into that subcutaneous tissue in my mouth that had you know , was infected already . But what they do is after the surgery they do red light therapy , they do a vitamin C IV . You're in the office for another two hours . They're treating that open socket , they pack it with probiotics and but they scoop out some tissue from each of the sockets and then they send it to a lab and like four or five weeks later you get this like six-page report .

Speaker 2 33:21

And so I got my first report before the second surgery and it was so interesting . So first of all there was tons of cancer cells . There was some Lyme in there , which I grew up on a big horse ranch in Illinois right near the Wisconsin border . We were bit by ticks all the time . As kids we had woods on our property , we'd go climb the trees , so I definitely had Lyme laying dormant in my system .

Speaker 2 33:49

And then , but this is the most interesting one there's all kinds of parasites like in you know these long words .

Speaker 2 33:52

Of course I'm Googling each one and one of the main one that was in both of those sockets and then in the other two sockets when I had the surgery six months later and got that report , this crazy parasite I'll have to look at my reports to tell you the name of it . I don't recall offhand because it was a very long word , but it came from a certain region in Africa and my little sister I'm the second youngest of seven and my little sister's name is Susie and she graduated from Georgetown University in African Studies and was over in Africa for three years teaching at a Catholic mission and I went over and saw her the summer before I got married in my first marriage and spent quite a bit of time in the bush in Namibia and literally lived in the bush Like it was I never . It was one of the neatest experiences of my life , but I brought back some serious parasites from there that lodged themselves into my gum tissue . So there's a fun fact .

Speaker 1 34:51

Yeah , so who knew that that was possible ?

Speaker 2 34:55

I know I mean this again , and here you know the the um , the dental journey . The immediate thing that I did is I went and scheduled . I went and saw Dr Margolis and then we scheduled to have the silver Morgans talk taken out . So we did them in quadrants , so I was there like every two or three weeks for one quadrant but the surgeries were . I had already pulled out the four tumors . I , you know , I had already dealt with so many things and had gone way deep down the rabbit hole of healing cancer naturally and was convinced I could do it by the time I had my first cavitation surgery . So when it came back with that parasite , at that point my mind frame was like , well , of course that makes sense , you know , because all the research I'd done and then learning from each you know doctor or specialist that I had gone to , and hearing their stories and putting it together with my story , I'm like I now know and I tell my clients that cancer has very definite roots .

Speaker 2 35:51

There's typically it can be all of these or one of these or two of these , but there's typically always a parasitic route . There's typically always at least cancers have one of these . So parasites , heavy metals , emotional and then just the toxic burden . So like chemicals , chemical , you're chemically toxic . Your exposure to chemicals yeah .

Speaker 2 36:15

Oh my gosh yeah .

Speaker 1 36:17

I mean , I've done a lot of research myself and I I don't like , I don't know at all , and I know you've definitely done a lot more research than me and I've learned so much more from you as well . For those who are listening and , um , you know they're like oh my gosh , I have metal in my teeth . Like what do ? What do I do I ? You know , I'm just imagining somebody who has maybe never taken a more holistic route and maybe they are dependent on , you know , insurance and cause . That , typically , is where a lot of people go . Well , I need to only go where my insurance covers we don't have a lot of money . What would you say to somebody who's like what would you say to somebody who's like what do I do if we don't have a lot of extra funds ?

Speaker 2 37:00

Yeah , the sad part about that is that when you do go to a biological dentist and all the treatments I had done , you know of course insurance didn't cover any of it , right , because it's outside the dental realm . Healing conference this weekend in Austin and I talked to a lot of people at my booth about their dental work and people that were going through breast cancer , uterine cancer , ovarian cancer , and they were opening their mouth saying , after hearing my story , and saying , well , I've got all this metal . I have three root canals , I have four , you know silver amalgams , blah , blah , blah . Should I go get it out ? And I said no , not , not so fast . I said you know , the best thing you can do is have your heavy metals tested , whether it's through blood work , or you're going to a you know a bioresonance scanning practitioner like that's what I do for a living now or you can go to a bio dentist and maybe just figure out if you are what we call off gassing , that mercury and those metals in your mouth , because my story is that those silver amalgams were put in in childhood and so over the years what had happened is , every time I chew , well , one mercury does off gas when you chew , but it just depends how much is releasing , like how old the fillings are and how big they are . But I would have pieces of the mercury come out like I'd be chewing and I'm like , oh , this hard rock thing , and then next thing , you know , it turns into a root canal . So that's how my root canals happened , is parts of the fillings were falling out and then they turn into a root canal . So my answer to that person because yeah , insurance will not cover that is that I wouldn't be so quick to go run and take out the metals in everybody's mouth , because you can , you know , again , wake the beast and you can cause a whole lot of Furchheimer effects and detox , detoxing way too fast , and throw your body into a healing crisis , like it can be really bad . Um , so I would do some sort of testing .

Speaker 2 38:57

And then , as far as the financial piece , I will say this if you do find that you are mercury toxic and you are it is leaking out . It wants to go up or down , so it typically drains to thyroid . We any of my breast cancer clients I always ask to look in their mouth or talk about their dental work because that those metals go down the jawline , to the lymph nodes , to thyroid and then to either or both breasts . The other place it goes is right up into the brain . So that's where we see a lot of our dementia , alzheimer's , parkinson's .

Speaker 2 39:28

A lot of those have very heavy metal roots to them , lots of mercury , lead , cadmium . So you want to look at that and think , well , how bad is it and how much money would it cost ? Because this could be . You know , this could change the quality of my life . This could be life-threatening if left undealt with . So my advice is don't mess with them unless you know for sure and you've done some sort of metal testing to show that you are actually leaking the mercury . You're going to off gas some of it . Again , mine were 30 , some years old . My fillings were and that was the root of all the issues the root of the root canals .

Speaker 2 40:06

But I would also say you know , if you need to figure out how to save some money , if you know , save some money for a surgery or for a procedure to get them out . And I will make one comment on that , because I've had several people at my booth this weekend who had healed their own cancer or were going through cancer some wonderful people . But some of them were thrown into cancer by going and getting their uh , silver amalgams fill out and they just went to a regular dentist . They did not go to one that does not have the exhaust fan . The doctor should be completely suited up . It looks like a space helmet on . They cover every ounce of your skin .

Speaker 2 40:48

You have a dental dam in your mouth . You have a hood over you literally look like you have a spacesuit on , because when you release that mercury and you take it out , they're pulling it out of your molars . It goes into the atmosphere and will reabsorb subcutaneously right back into your mouth , but into your skin , into your eye sockets , I mean everywhere . And so I hear these stories of people over the last 12 years or 10 years of seeing clients where all of a sudden they got lupus , they got an autoimmune , they got Crohn's , they got cancer and it started right after they had , you know , five , six or ten silver amalgams taken out at a regular dentist . They were exposed to massive mercury because they this dental office didn't have a way to exhaust it out and didn't carefully extract the mercury .

Speaker 1 41:41

Wow , debbie , you're actually like kind of putting something together for me . I think that might've been what happened to me several years , like probably 50 years ago .

Speaker 2 41:47

Really , I hear it all the time , Kristen , and I'm bringing it up right now because this weekend I talked to hundreds of people with cancer and many of them were related to the mercury in their mouth , and there was a couple of dentists there on the panel that were speaking that this is all that they deal with is cancer related to root canals and silver amalgams . So , yeah , that is something , if that was the case , for you just to know that , maybe there's some , you know , chelation therapy or some heavy metal detoxing that you want to do on a continuous basis . You know , foot detox bath , obviously lymphatic . Keep that lymph system going , because that's our little trash collector of the body . That liver is where the metals process through .

Speaker 1 42:29

So yeah , did you just ?

Speaker 2 42:31

go to a regular dentist .

Speaker 1 42:33

Yeah , yeah , because . I remember him like I'm literally having this in . I , I , I guess kind of a vision of being in the chair , and I remember him saying let's take these out and put in the white whatever that is . I don't know what the white is , oh the white composite . Composite .

Speaker 2 42:50

Yes , yes , oh , my gosh , yeah , okay , and that probably was .

Speaker 1 42:55

shortly after that I started having like thyroid problems and I mean there was other factors that . But , as you know , the spot that my cancer was on my nose , which is very close to my mouth , Very close to your mouth .

Speaker 2 43:18

Yep , that is correct , and the fact that you know it does . Those metals drain down to the thyroid and when we have what I call like a blanket of metals over the thyroid , the thyroid becomes like inactive . It can't do what it needs to do . It can't produce the hormones to balance the body . A lot of times when we see underactive thyroid it's , you know , it's because of metals coming right from the mouth . Yeah well , much more .

Speaker 1 43:40

I want to be sure that we share your story , um , of the black salve , because it actually is . That's part of why I so connected with you was because I'll just back it up for one second , absolutely because I'm so spotted and I have , you know , when I was little , people are like no , it's angel kisses . I'm like , okay , whatever . I happened to sit next to a lady on an airplane probably seven , eight years ago and we were just comparing skin stories because that's what , you know , freckled people do , that's right . And she was like , if you ever , if you ever run into a problem where it turns into skin cancer or whatever , you need to use this stuff . So she told me what it was , and I am a resource collector .

Speaker 1 44:25

My method of the madness is to take a website and email it to myself with a label in the subject line Did that ? And that was actually when I got this diagnosis last know diagnosis last year . It was one of the first things that came to mind , so I knew that it was a key , but I held on to it for a little while . Now , when my friends made that connection Amy , our mutual friend she was like you got to hear she's like I don't know why I didn't think to to connect you with Debbie , but you got to hear her story , so can you kind of tell us more about what that looked like for you and your journey ? Sure , yeah , and decimate this crap , yeah .

Speaker 2 45:10

Right , go after it Absolutely Well again in all my you know wonderful research . About two weeks into my diagnosis and waiting for my surgery you know I've gotten alkaline took me about seven days . I'm testing my pH every day and dipping a strip in my urine . So I'm feeling really good about that . But also trying to think of how am I going to shrink this tumor , if that's even possible .

Speaker 2 45:34

And I ran across some different things online that talked about black salve and about a guy named Greg Canton , c-a-n-t-o-n , who's got a great story . I immediately resonated with him . He's like such a warrior for healing disease . Naturally he had to be extradited out of the US because he was making I mean , if you can even believe this , it's something you can grow , grow in your garden for probably 10 bucks and it's four herbs that you boil down and make into a blacks , you know , a black poultice , kind of like a tar , and he was , you know , distributing it for very inexpensively to different chiropractors and homeopaths and naturopaths all across the United States and it was pulling out cancer , all different types of cancers lots of breast cancer , pancreatic cancer , head , neck and chest cancers , any type of tumor that's close to the skin . So it's not going to work for like a blood or brain cancer . But when you know you've got a tumor that's close to that outside dermal layer , you put the salve on and basically the blood root in it goes in and pulls , starts to pull the cancer out . So I saw his story online .

Speaker 2 46:45

I had joined some private groups on Facebook about healing cancer naturally and one of them brought up black salve , which led me to Greg Canton , which led me to find that he is at that time was in South America making the salve , basically in the Amazon jungle , and that you could get it from there . They did . It would be hit or miss . They had a place where you could order it from the United States that would bring it in from South America , but sometimes you'd go to the website and they were shut down . So he spent some time in prison

The Black Salve Experience

Speaker 2 47:16

in the United States for using this and I mean that was just like so up my alley . I'm like are you kidding me ? Yeah , like how is this not okay ?

Speaker 2 47:23

And this was also like pulling the wool back you know , from over my eyes for all of my life about the healthcare system and Western medicine and the FDA and all the things in our crappy food system . I'm getting so angry and I'm like , well , I've got , you know , at this point I've got six more weeks to wait . So why don't I order the salve ? And I'm going to try it ? And by the time that I ordered it and it took , you know , three or four days to get there , that's I was just immersed , obsessed with just watching . I found so many different videos and then I found this woman her name is Susie which is near and dear to my heart . My mom is a Suzanne , my sister is a Suzanne . I love that name , but she is somebody in one of these groups that's like if you want to use the Black South for any type of cancer , reach out to me . I don't charge anything , but it's basically my ministry and I'll help you through it . So basically my ministry and I'll help you through it . So she's in Australia . So I reach out and we do a zoom call .

Speaker 2 48:15

Back then it was Skype and she's like oh yeah , this is what you do . So when you get it , you're going to put it on , leave it on 24 hours . It's going to burn and pull and you know , some is worse than others , depends how deep the cancer is . You know , yada , yada , and I said okay . And I said can , would it be okay if I ? You know , emailed , you , texted you to ask . She said morning , noon or night . She said , debbie , this is what I'm , I'm supposed to be doing . And so I did . She was like Kristen , for I mean , I can't take all the credits . I feel like she was so amazing for me , but like when you came to me , I'm like I was your Susie , susie was the one that you know it's like everybody has somebody before them .

Speaker 2 48:52

She was my black salve mentor , um then , quite an amazing woman herself , um , single mom and just a wonderful lady . And in Australia , I mean , we've always joked about like at some point we'll meet each other . But so , sure enough , I got the salve , I put it on where the biopsy had been and holy macaroni , uh it . It wasn't 24 hours for it to start burning . I would say within the first three minutes I was scared . I thought what have I done ? It hurt so bad , it was pulling so deep and by the 24th hour , when you get to actually wipe it off , I mean I literally am sitting there by my phone looking at the time , can't wait to wipe it off , thinking that the pain will go away and it doesn't . And I was , you know , somewhat prepared because I'd watched videos , I'd heard other people's stories . You know I educated myself for probably 100 hours at that point on Black Sab and , sure enough , my first tumor . I have it written down in my journal .

Speaker 2 49:51

But I pulled out four tumors in four months and each one was roughly 30 days . So I think the first one was like 26 days , the second one was 28 days , the third one was like 31 days , but it's those four herbs but basically the blood route goes in , pulls that cancer out , keeps it capsulated . So it's not like a biopsy , it's not spreading and it will pull out those irregular cells and then when you've got that , what we call an Escher , which is a tumor , when you've got that coming out and it's fully released and comes out , you will have a hole in the side of your head and then you'll decide , based on if there's little white spots , what we call the tentacles of cancer , whether you're going to apply the salve again . So I went through four rounds of it , pulled out four tumors and the size of a dime , a nickel , about a quarter , and then between a quarter and a half dollar was the last one and and then after the fourth one there was no white dots . So I created a cream in my kitchen to heal the hole where the cancer was coming out and that is my black sap story . But I I highly , if you are wanting to heal your cancer with a tumor that's closer to the skin , naturally , I highly suggest it .

Speaker 2 51:07

It hurts for a certain amount of time . It doesn't hurt the whole time . You know this , kristen . Yes , I know that some of your texts and pictures and you're . I think you were thinking at one point what did I do ? Did you think ?

Speaker 1 51:20

that I did Um , especially the second round . Yes , it goes deeper each time . It was um and , I'll be honest , it felt like somebody was holding a cigarette on my nose yes , like .

Speaker 2 51:34

I always say it's like somebody poured acid on me yeah .

Speaker 1 51:37

It was intense , but I knew . I knew because of Debbie's testimony , and I'm like you .

Speaker 1 51:43

like we're warriors , let's just put it that way Like we've absolutely we've been through a lot and I've been through a lot of pain emotional pain , physical pain . I was like you know what I've been . I've been through a lot of pain emotional pain , physical pain . I was like you know what I've been . I've been through that . I can get through this , but having somebody to walk alongside you who has actually like overcome , I think , is a huge key , right , wouldn't you ?

Speaker 2 52:05

say oh , it's everything I would . I don't think I mean I wouldn't have done this if I didn't have somebody to walk me through it and know that it actually works . I mean , it was very scary Totally .

Speaker 1 52:16

And that's part of you know , when I think I said to Amy , our friend Amy , you know , I knew , like again , like I said I knew of the box valve because somebody had told me about it those years ago and it actually was one of those things that came to mind like well , hey , hey , here's that solution . I remember thinking kind of that . Maybe the vein thing too , like you know , maybe if it was on my butt I would be fine . Like it's out of sight , out of mind , right ?

Speaker 2 52:46

Yeah .

Speaker 1 52:46

But going like right , like focal point nose , you know face , like not knowing , because for me this spot had been there for about 10 years . So oh wow it was I was told it was a , an ulcer , and then it started kind of becoming like a volcano and it kind of started erupting and that's where they were like oh , no , kind of like you , like this doesn't look good , we need to biopsy . So I did have a spot that came up on my leg during that time . Do you remember that ?

Speaker 2 53:22

Yes , I do .

Speaker 1 53:23

Kind of the experiment . That was the first one and it it went really well , like it wasn't as painful . But man , and that's where , like I'm always going to stress this to you guys , like we need people . Like look at all of if you think back to Debbie's story all of the connections , all the people who supported her and had been on their own journey to get to step into whatever they're doing to help bring these healing modalities . Look where she is now . Look where she is now and I love how , like God literally led you from having boutiques to I mean , he totally literally flipped the script in all the word in your life . So , because of your journey , then , like you started going on your own journey to say , okay , like now it's my turn right , like what did that look like for you to step into this next leg of your journey ?

Speaker 2 54:20

Well , you know , as the Blackstaff was a big part of that , because now I've got a physical piece of the cancer , I'm literally pulling it out . So I sent the first one to I found a lab in Arizona where I could send it there and have it tested , and it came back , as you know , cancer cells . So I was told to do that by the gal in Australia . So again , she was my little mentor and so I knew I was onto something . And what's kind of a fun part of the story here is is my dad , um , for his living he was an attorney and he was the head legal counsel for the largest set of hospitals in the state of Illinois , so 13 hospitals that are run by a bunch of Catholic nuns . My dad was their legal counsel . So can you imagine this ? That after I pull one out , I'm , you know , again , I'm just I do have that warrior mindset , I'm somebody that takes risks and I put myself in there and I just tell myself I can do it , and I usually do it by the grace of God and with him leading the way . So after this first tumor came out and my hundreds of hours of research and all these other things that I'm doing . You know ozone theory , ozone therapy , I'm getting my blood spun . I got alkaline , I have the raw food chef , I'm doing the frequency , you know scanning . I've got the dentist thing going and now I've pulled a chunk of cancer out . So I call my parents and I say I'm going to cancel my surgery , I'm going to heal this on my own . They literally thought I lost . Like did you fall and hit your head ? Like you're nuts ? And my dad at the time had me . He wanted me to do a Skype call with one of the oncologists at the largest hospital that he deals with in Illinois and I was like dad , I got this and he's like Debbie , I mean , he was really upset with me Like you are great , this is can't like . And I was like I know , dad , I know I know , but just trust me and I know what I'm doing . And cancer can be healed . And so many people have done it and I wish I could have filmed myself back then . You know to like see the passion that obviously I still have . But and my poor parents going what ? And of course my kids were worried . You know they're just like what is our mom doing ? And just to touch on the salve and you know this , kristen , when you that tumor is coming closer to the surface , like the way that the immune system works is , it brings redness to that area , it's makes that area very inflamed , it gets very warm . So it's right by my left eye . So I'm going to church . I look like I they would call me the boxer . It looks like I was in a boxing match At one point .

Speaker 2 56:47

I woke up one morning my left eye had swollen shut . I had all this stuff , crusty , gunk over it and that whole area about the size of like a soup can , bottom of a soup can , if you can imagine that circle . It was all puffy and inflamed and I mean it looked like I'd been in a bar fight . You know I was making up stories like oh yeah , you should see the other guy they're like . And then I've got this bandage , like what are you doing ? So now I've got all my church people , my Bible study group , everybody's like what ? Which , by the way , as the years have gone on , several of them have used the black salve for a variety of things . I mean it just your story never just touches you . But I now I've forgotten your original question .

Speaker 1 57:27

I always go down on these . You had mentioned that you created something to basically fill in the dermal layers , right ? So how ? Like what like something charged in you to be able to , to get to that point because not everybody is going to , you know , go through that journey and then be like , all right , I need to create something that is going to even do something more than beyond what I just went through , right ?

Speaker 2 57:53

So what happened ?

Speaker 1 57:54

at that point .

Speaker 2 57:55

Well , and I and now I remember your question like how I own stores , like how did I get from owning stores to what I'm doing now ? I was so angered by what I was finding out about our healthcare system and how it was a big boop and how the cancer industry is a trillion dollar business and how they scare people and they don't ever really heal them Right , and so I was . This passion in me was , and I've always been , interested in health . I've always been like that kind of crunchy girl and um , and that that was definitely always my bent . So , yes , I started creating a . I just started throwing different things in my Vitamix that I had . Research would help heal skin . He healed this hole where the salve was coming out .

Speaker 2 58:36

I didn't think at the time I was going to grow this into a business , but on the flip side , after having seen that frequency medicine doctor , I was like I want to do that . That thing was so amazing . If I didn't know what the two roots of my cancer were , it was going to come right back in my mind , right , like I need . You need to get to the root of whether it's emotional , physical , like the root cause . Deal with the root so that the outward symptom doesn't come back . So I started having an interest in this frequency therapy stuff . I thought , you know what , I think I could do that . And then , meanwhile , you know , hand in hand , I'm making this cream and I just , you know , I just called it face food , cause I'm like I'm making this cream and I just , you know , I just called it face food Cause I'm like I'm making food for my face , because everything on the market was full of carcinogens . It was full of fragrance , fragrances , phthalates , um , you know , coloring , chemicals , solvents , endocrine disruptors , and I'm like I can't put any of that on my skin . I'm pulling all this stuff out .

Speaker 2 59:30

So I started making a cream in my Vitamix and then I started giving it to friends at church and giving it to people at my store , and then that turned into about a year later . I mean , I couldn't keep up with making it . People instead of wanting one little , you know , I had these little mini mason jars . Instead of one , they wanted 12 and or they wanted 10 or 4 . And so I then ended up finding a manufacturer that could do more of an organic based , you know , skincare line , and that was my first product .

Speaker 2 1:00:02

So I made my face food and it actually does have CBD in it , because I learned this is another piece of just educating your listeners today but you know CBD . When you say that there's like a little bit of a tinge to that industry , it's like , oh yeah , it's at every gas station coffee shop . Well , 12 years ago CBD wasn't on every on every corner and I had learned through all my research that the cannabinoids in CBD are the fountain of youth for the skin . So it made sense to me to put CBD in my blender with some different things like manuka oil and frankincense and moringa oil , raspberry seed oil you know different things that are healing calendula , and . But I did put CBD in there because I knew that what the effects it had on the skin . And boy was I right . So now I've created this skin cream that heals over 25 different skin issues and helped heal the hole in the side of my face .

Speaker 1 1:00:56

I mean you guys , isn't this incredible Like ? Can you give us an example of maybe a few other skin conditions that it would help ? Yeah ?

Speaker 2 1:01:08

absolutely Well , some that I came upon and then some that over the last 10 years of now manufacturing and selling the cream , making and selling the cream different clients have brought to me . So the basic ones are things like eczema , psoriasis , any type of burns . I work with different cancer clients that have had radiation or chemo and they get that really dry , flaky , red skin . It works on a bug bite . It works on a baby's bum , for diaper's rash . I have a client that used it for hand , foot , mouth disease . Antibiotics didn't touch it so the cannabinoids in the cream ate up the antibacterial , antifungal . So I have one client this is the strangest thing to use it for , but I tell people apparently it works for this .

Speaker 2 1:01:53

This is not an issue I have , but she's had hemorrhoids for 25 years and she loves the face food for her face . And her husband said well , I know it's anti-inflammatory , why don't you try it on the hemorrhoids ? And sure enough , it's her new hemorrhoid cream . So I didn't , you know , didn't set up to design a hemorrhoid cream . Um , but it's also a face cream . It's for fine lines , wrinkles , sunspots , scarring , any type of scarring , surgical scarring . You can put it on an open wound and then finally ,

Creating Soul Tender Wellness

Speaker 2 1:02:20

if you have an early , early and I do stress that that it has to be early , we're not talking stage two , stage three , but early , early skin cancer lesion . So you know , this is your . You've got a piece of a little area where it's getting a little itchy or that shiny red and it's it's acting weird and it just it doesn't feel the same texture as everything else in your skin . Start putting the face food on it , at least morning and night , ideally three times a day . So maybe you know , morning , afternoon and night it will literally eat up that pre-cancer . I've had so many clients avoid getting a Mohs surgery because they caught the skin cancer early enough and were able to start putting the cream on it .

Speaker 2 1:03:01

Now the flip side is , if you've had any type of , you know , any type of cancer you've had breast cancer , skin cancer , whatever and you've got , you've just had your surgery and you've got some scarring or open wound , you can put the face food right on it and those cannabinoids will go in . They are like little Pac-Mans that start eating up cancer cells . But we know in the cancer industry that most cancers start five to eight years out before you get the diagnosis . So , kristen , you said that spot had been there for what 10 years , right ? Had been there for what 10 years , right ? And so by the time you're at that , you know eight or 10 year mark , or even five years , you've got millions of cancer cells .

Speaker 2 1:03:42

So I can't claim that the face food is going to eat up a million cancer cells , but what it can do is when it's early and what's happening is that your skin it's the largest detox organ in the body it's pressing out , it's letting the body I always say the body's letting you know . You know there's something there . Please look at this . When you see something outward on your body that isn't normally there , start putting the face food on it .

Speaker 1 1:04:06

So has it helped , like with acne as well .

Speaker 2 1:04:09

Absolutely yes . We have lots of teenagers that use it for acne . I , my own kids , have used it for acne . Works really well for acne , wow .

Speaker 1 1:04:17

It's amazing .

Speaker 1 1:04:18

I , I , I tell Debbie she's like the George Washington carver you know , like skin , and he like , truly like , there's so many things that , um , I just think it's just so incredible how God has given you these blueprints , truly honestly . I mean , it came out of pain , it came out of trauma , it came out of , um , it came out of so much . I do want to ask you , before we um close pretty soon , tell us about the muscle mist , because you guys , if you have any , if you work out and you know you are getting older and maybe you have some sore spots , I would love for you to tell us a little bit more about the muscle mist , because it is one of my favorite products that you carry along with the hydrate serum , that's .

Speaker 2 1:05:07

Oh yes .

Speaker 1 1:05:08

I mean I love all of the things , but those are like my three and the toothpaste .

Speaker 2 1:05:17

Okay , well , you're so nice . Yeah , the , the mag mist . Well , um , first of all , I have to say we wanted to call it , you know , miracle mist , but that name was of course already trademarked , so we didn't get to use that . But , um , like I said , I was just at this integrative cancer healing conference in Austin as a vendor and we had an open bottle of magma sitting at our table and we , just the minute people would come up to our booth , I would just ask them to pull their hair back . I'm like , can I spray the back of your neck ? And they're like , okay , what is this ? And I said , well , it's organic cbd and it's magnesium . And then it has some msm in there eucalyptus , camphor , camphor , menthol , clove oil sweet birch oil , arnica oil , peppermint oil , all the things I said .

Speaker 2 1:05:58

It's nature's answer to biofreeze , but your body doesn't become immune to it . So they're listening as I'm spraying and I said don't rub it . Cool oil , dry mist , it'll just . I said you'll feel it in about 90 seconds . And then I gave everybody a sample . I mean we had hundreds of people coming through our booth and some people brought it , bought it right away , because they were like , oh my gosh , in the midst of them , standing there and talking to my son and I for four or five minutes , they're like I feel it , oh my gosh , I feel it go in and my neck feels better and the tension's gone . So they were buying it . But I told everybody , I said tonight in your hotel room , do one spray on the bottom of each foot that magnesium is going to go up into in through your system . It's great to put it on the bottoms of your feet to get it into the bloodstream quickly . But also do one spray in your belly button , in your navel , because there's thousands of nerve endings there that connect everywhere in the body and that magnesium will go right in as well . And because these people are like well , I don't sleep at all . And you know I said try the magnesium . We had so many people that next morning coming to the booth I mean one lady bought a dozen bottles . They're like I slept like a baby . I'm like I know and like . My tagline is always like proof is in the product .

Speaker 2 1:07:08

But so to back up a little bit , how I started it and made the Magnus is that I kind of have like a background , just have been surrounded by athletes . My first husband was a professional baseball player . My kids have all been in all kinds of sports . My son played football all through college for the Huskers . My son-in-law plays in NFL . My daughter is a strength and conditioning coach . She works with guys that are going to the league . So we are an athletic family . And my son actually had six different surgeries from football wrist , shoulder , you name it . And so I've used things like arnica oil , I've used magnesium oil , I've had him soak in a magnesium bath , I've used all the natural things .

Speaker 2 1:07:52

But when it came to starting to put the CBD , the organic cannabinoids , into different products , I'm like let's make a topical anti-inflammatory that everybody can use . You know , little Johnny can use it after a soccer game . Or you know , your grandma can use it and make it really easy . I know there's balms out there and there's roll-ons , but I prefer a spray and where liquid wise , it will go in deeper . So we started kind of messing around with some different things and I went to my formulator and said , well , I really like Arnicon , I really like camphor and , oh , I love eucalyptus . And again , another hundred hours of research of like what are the best anti-inflammatories and then putting them all in one mix we sell . Now this is what 10 years later we sell over 10,000 bottles a year . I sell wholesale to chiropractors . Physical therapists and massage therapists carry this and can't keep it on the shelf .

Speaker 1 1:08:49

It's amazing , I didn't know that Wow .

Speaker 2 1:08:52

Yeah , and kind of a fun fact , kristen , right before COVID happened , I was flown out to Seattle and had a kind of an introductory session with Costco , said no , because CBD , even without THC , is not federally legal in all 50 states yet and we are no THC so that you can never get high , we're not the marijuana end of the plant . But the one of the board members had used it and loved it and had brought in , wanted me to ship a bunch so that all the board members could use it . So I flew in so excited this is right before COVID , this is 2019 . And they that you know the head honcho he shut it down . He said we can't touch CBD . So if President Trump decides to do what he says he's going to do and make CBD the non-THC kind , federally mandated , I'm going to get back on that plane and go to Seattle . So bring my Magnus , but it works that well yeah .

Speaker 2 1:09:53

One of the board members thought it was great and I love it . I mean , it's something I travel with it . We have a little travel size and I can't live without it , but just for the sleep part if I'm not sore , the sleep part really does , it does help .

Speaker 1 1:10:07

I'm going to try that . I didn't do that . Thank you , I know to do that . Thank you , I know Everything that you've created has like multi-purpose to it . Yes , absolutely .

Speaker 2 1:10:19

My mom has neuropathy at 88 and she's very fit , very active , but when she lays down at night she literally can't sleep . She wakes up through the night . So I have her use the mag , mist and spray from the knee down and the bottoms of her feet and it has helped so much because it helps increase , gets rid of inflammation , so therefore gets rid of pain , but it also helps with circulation . So anybody that has diabetes or neuropathy it's really great for to increase that circulation .

Speaker 1 1:10:47

Wow , debbie , this is so incredible . We didn't share the name of your company , yet what is the name of your company ?

Speaker 2 1:10:54

Well , it's a great way to wrap it up , because when I thought about what would I call this , you know my face food . But what would I call this business where I get to scan people and and and make products ? What I learned in my journey is we need to heal from the inside out . So I call it soul tender , wellness . And the tender of our soul is the Lord . Right , he's the great gardener of our soul . He's the tender he tends to our garden . But we also have to look at mind , body , soul , spirit .

Speaker 2 1:11:26

When we're trying to heal something physical , don't fool yourself and make yourself believe that you doesn't , that you don't have to deal with those emotions or the hard things that have happened to you in life . Nobody gets out of this life without some , you know , some traumatic things . That's just part of the deal . But but you can . You can have the tools to process through it and release it and forgive and move on . And that is tending to your soul . And I try to remind everybody , when I'm talking about soul tender , that that's really what it's about for all of us . But God is the tender of our souls , but we need to tend to our souls as well . So it's soul tender , wellness .

Speaker 1 1:12:04

I love the name . I love the meaning behind the name . I just love you everything . If somebody was going to well , first of all , what is your website , and then I'll put it in the show notes Okay , yeah , it's soul tender wellnesscom and it's S O U ?

Speaker 2 1:12:20

L . We had somebody post us for a conference once and they put S O L ? E like a shoe . So it's not that it's soul like the soul in your body .

Speaker 1 1:12:30

So okay , and I'll be sure to put that in the show notes . And then , um , you talked about some of the ways that you can come alongside others as well . Like , what would that maybe look like for um somebody to um maybe get a scan ? Um tell us more ? Um , I I'm sure somebody is like okay , like , how do I contact her ? What would this look like ?

Speaker 2 1:12:48

Yeah , well , we actually just redid our website . Um was quite a process and we're still working on fine-tuning it , but I do have a couple pages on there talking about the bioresonance frequency and kind of sharing a little bit of my story . And now my son has gotten into it . He's licensed to run the scans . His specialty is elite athletes . So whether it's junior high , high school , college pro , you name it , he's the guy . Junior high , high school , college pro , you name it , he's the guy .

Speaker 2 1:13:17

But if you go on there , there are you can even buy a scan on there , a scan package and get scanned , and there's a lot more information . But you can always contact me through the website and I'm always able to do a phone call and share more about it . But I have been scanning clients now for almost 10 years and I think I'm almost at 800 clients and not had anybody not have some sort of healing . So I can't claim that you know it's going to heal this or that , but I will say that it will show root causes and can help your body be equipped to heal itself . It's really about balancing the body . The scans and the frequency drops don't heal you . They give your body the tools to be balanced and able to heal itself and unburdened by all the toxic load .

Speaker 1 1:14:04

Yes , yeah , well , I

Closing Words and Prayer

Speaker 1 1:14:06

would . I'm definitely a testimony as well , like I had a scan done with Debbie and without even telling her any of my health history , it was popping up things that are a hundred percent true . So I am a believer for sure .

Speaker 1 1:14:22

Um , so , as we close today , um , I , like I said , I do this podcast for the one and I would love for you to think of somebody who's listening in today and would you want to share anything else , any words of encouragement or wisdom , to speak over them , and then would you pray us out today ?

Speaker 2 1:14:40

Yes , so I just would touch on , first of all , that the Lord would lead your journey Like he's the one that created your body and he knows what it needs to heal . So just invite Him in to be a part of that process and it will go the way that it's supposed to go . And then also , I just would say that I again I think I touched on it at one point during the podcast but we all have emotional things . Some of us have had traumatic childhoods or abusive childhoods or different toxic relationships , and that does not have to define you and it's just so much a part of my story .

Speaker 2 1:15:17

And I work with a lot of women , especially that are just so burdened and have carried the load for so long . And I would just say that to really work on the emotional things in your life and deal with them and get them out whatever that looks like for you our life and deal with them and get them out whatever that looks like for you . There's a great book called the Body Keeps the Score and different organs in the body hold on to different emotions . So I would just look into that , because everybody's healing journey , I believe , has some emotional component , so don't forget that piece .

Speaker 1 1:15:48

Yes , yes , amen . Thank you , debbie . Would you be open to praying us out today ?

Speaker 2 1:15:54

Absolutely . Dear Heavenly Father , we just thank you so much , lord . I thank you for this platform . I thank you for Kristen and her heart to help others and to create a space where people can come and freely share their stories of what you've done in their lives , whether it's physically , emotionally , spiritually or all of those . Lord , we're just so grateful for you . And , lord , I just give you the honor today for what you've done in my own life . Like I take no credit for this journey , lord , you led me down every single part of this path and put all the right people in my path , and one of them is Kristen . I you know she didn't touch on this , but I've been so grateful for the different talks that I've had with her and things that she's helped me unlock in myself , lord , so we're just so grateful for you .

Speaker 2 1:16:42

You are the King of Kings , lord , you are the great Master , healer . You created us , lord , and we give you all the glory and honor today , lord , and I just ask for a special blessing for anybody that's listening , that they would be able to look deep inside to their own healing and that you would put the right people in their path . Lord , and I just pray . A blessing over Kristen too , lord , that you would continue to bring people to her where she can give them a voice for the world to hear and to grow big , big , white , fluffy wings and be flying high with you at our side . In Jesus' name , we pray , amen .

Speaker 1 1:17:18

Amen . Well , debbie , I feel like I'll probably have you back on another time if you'd like to come back and share more . I just love everything you're doing and thank you for being a brave voice who is setting others free . So I'm going to close with the Hope Unlocked anchoring verse . It is may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing , so that by the power of the Holy Spirit , you may abound in hope , and that is Romans 15 , 13 . So thank you again , debbie . I cannot wait to see all he continues to unfold in your life , and I'll be back with another episode next week .

Speaker 2 1:17:53

Okay , thank you , kristen , it was awesome .

Speaker 1 1:17:56

Thank you , Debbie .

Speaker 2 1:17:57

Okay , god bless .