Designed on Purpose: Gifts, Courage, and a Life Re-Fired with Bill Dickerson

What if your childhood “trouble” was actually a clue to your calling? Bill Dickerson shares how God-given design shows up early...and how understanding your gifts can unlock purpose, courage, and lasting joy. Learn the three layers of gifts and how they shape relationships, leadership, and work. Bill also unpacks faith-filled obedience, focus in a noisy world, courage that catches up as you move, and a powerful healing testimony marked by humility. This episode will help you find language for your wiring and step forward with clarity and courage.

Bill's contact info:

Website - www.gatewayapostolicministries.com

Email - apostlebill1@gmail.com

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Opening And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Welcome to the Hope and Lock Podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I hope and empower wild-hearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations, and thrive with confidence, courage, and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to newwingscoaching.net and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I've had this episode as like a holy idea of hope for yourself. Please let me welcome Bill Dickerson to the show. I'm so excited to have him here today. We are actually kind of a recent connection, but I feel like I've been connected to him for so long. And I'm so thankful to Kimberly Joy for introducing us. I would just I see him as a papa to many, and I'm so thankful for the way that he comes alongside so many, and specifically in my life in this short period of time the Lord really highlighted him to have on here to share his story. He is absolutely one who like fires me up and is fired up. So, Bill, before we get into your story, would you just share a little bit about yourself?

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Well, that's a that's a little bit. Yeah, I've been in misery, praise God for 55 years. As I look back over the years, I'll look at the time of my being brought up with a big family and how I was always different. I never fit in. And the reason that was see, we're all born with a gift. We all have a DNA from the Father.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Yes.

Understanding Motivational, Ministry, And Manifestation Gifts

SPEAKER_00 2:00

But the sad part is we haven't been trained to understand that the way we operate is because of a DNA that God gave us. Like the child that's administrator, he's always trying to organize everything. You have the child that's a prophet, he's into everything. You have the child that's compassionate, crying all the time. You have the child that's a teacher studying all the time. You have the child that's gifted, he's giving things away all the time. You have the child that's an exhorter, he's happy all the time. And so the problem is we haven't learned our DNA. And once we understand our gift, what God has given us, and help us to operate in what God had desired for us, true contentment is when you operate in what God has called you into. And that's why I do gifting seminars so people discover what makes them tick, how they see things, why they operate, they do. And in marriages, it's awesome because in marriages, if you understand your mate's gift, then you know what? You get along a lot better. Your wife may be a server, she's always serving, she's always doing something. That's her DNA from childhood. Yeah, and you might have a husband that's a teacher, and he's always sitting and studying. But see, these are evident in our life. And my gift was evident in my life, but because I've never trained in it, no one really understood it, nobody was teaching on it. So my whole life was difficult because I could read people, it was a gift he gave me to be a prophet, yeah, but I didn't understand it and I had no barriers on it. I mean, I would just say what I saw and speak, and you know, that makes a lot of friends quack when you start reading their mail, and you have no filters because of immaturity and you're not trained. My whole life I knew I was called because I never fit in. I wasn't comfortable with what everybody else was doing. I didn't understand it two years later. Then the Lord had me go to different Bible schools, Bible training, and then He sent the right people in my life who spent time to understand me, to train me, to teach me. Like I said, I've been in ministry 55 years, and by God's grace and God's mercy, I've been to every Bible school, Bible college in America, because once I understood the calling of my life, once I understood my purpose in life, once I understood what I was designed to do, I put everything into it. I want to be the best version of me, to be the best version of him. And that's why I've been in ministry 55 years. And my gift is to serve, to love, and show passion to sons and daughters across America, to heal the broken hearts across America, to love on God's children with a love of a father that's been missing in many generations. My call, that's my purpose, is to love the body of Christ, to minister the heart of the Father, the sons and daughters, to heal the broken hearts of a nation. And so this is what my ministry has been about. And the Lord has me out all the time. My wife passed away in 2003. She used to travel with me, but then after she died, the Lord gave me a mandate to leave everything. So I left my home in 2003, and I've been all over the world since then, and I have never gone back home. I left with a suitcase, and I've been out doing what God has ordained me to do, how He raised me, how He matured me, laid a foundation under me, the trials that I went through. I praise God for the pain because the pain brought gain. And I have a better understanding of how people feel with going through brokenness, being rejected. So, you know, it just really helped me to relate to other people to help them to get and navigate through what they may be going through. Even now, some people, you know, we're coming into a new year, yes, and what we got to understand as we enter into this new year, we gotta be avoid any distractions of 25 and what we've been through. Praise God for 25 and what we went through, praise God what we've learned, but we're not gonna live in the past but move into 26 because all things will be new. So all my years of training has brought me to where I am today through life circumstances, things I've experienced. In some of the places, like I went to China 10 years ago, uh-huh, and I went to the back part interior of China. I got a word from God, I'll get you in and I'll get you out. And I didn't think about it at first, but when you're in the middle of absolutely nowhere, sometimes in your life, yeah, you feel like you're in the middle of nowhere, you feel like you're in a desert place, you feel like in a place that nobody sees you, that nobody's attentive to you, that your life has no value, your life has no purpose. See, that's a lie of the enemy. But then God will create circumstances in your life to draw you to him, to reveal to you the plan of purpose that he has for you. So going into China and back in the woods of China, I mean, I always praise God to have faith, but you never know the level of your faith you have until you got to walk out your faith and trust your faith. When you're in a place, there's no way out. And some of us in life have been in places, there's no way out. You you've dumped on everything in life, it seems like you're at the end of the road. One thing when you get to the end of the road, as you go forward, and you get to the end of the road, what do you do? Most people want to back up. No, you turn around, you go forward. You always keep going forward. Yes, even when you meet the end of the road, turn around and go forward. And I'm telling you, in life, we're going to have things in life that are going to challenge us. The storms are going to blow around us, the things are going to really challenge us, but in the storm and the challenge you're going through, it's to build you, perfect you, strengthen you, encourage you for the greater that the Father has for you. It's his mercy and his grace that he allows you to go through what you got to go through. So he allowed me to be in a situation that was life or death. If they catch me, it's over. Oh and even when I was ministering in the backwoods of China, they said, You don't have to minister, you can leave.

unknown 8:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

I said, No, I didn't come to believe, I didn't come to run. I came here to deliver the gospel to a nation of people that haven't heard the gospel, but it grew me, matured me. Did it shake me? Absolutely. Don't anybody tell you that once in a while you'll feel fear come on you. But you know, I've gotten a new perspective on fear since then. Yeah, fear when it shows up, is the indication to you. Fear is there to stop you because on the other side of fear is a success story that's written for you. So when fear shows up, there's a promotion for you to understand that when you have something challenging you, on the other side of that challenge, it's a success story that the Father has for you.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Wow. Would you say that again? I feel like somebody needs to hear that again. Like just that power. It's like a key that is gonna unlock somebody right now.

China Story: Faith, Fear, And Courage

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah, like I was saying, when you get into a difficult situation, when you know you've been sent, when you know God sent you, this is where you got to trust Him. Yes, I've walked in faith many, many years since I've before I went to China, but now I get to live it out. Now I get to walk in it, now I get to trust it because where I was, there's no way out. Yeah, and so fear wants to get in. I didn't have a perspective on fear then that I have now, but fear never stopped me because I knew God would sustain me, that God would uphold me. But the revelation I received today in this new season, when fear shows up to you, fear is a wall to stop you because on the other side of fear is your success story. So when fear shows up to you, know there's a promotion for you that God has desired for you, but you're gonna have to trust the faith that He gives you, you're gonna have to rely on the things He's spoken over you. Run over fear into success that's been waiting for you. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Yes, run over fear, run it over Jesus' name. I mean, I'm just seeing it. Like, you are you you guys listening in? Are you actually seeing that visual of like keep this in mind the next time you run into fear, you get to run over it?

SPEAKER_00 10:50

Remember, a soldier is not trained to get rid of fear, he is trained to trot down on fear and keep going.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

That's so good, and man.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

So we're we're going into a new dispensation, we're coming into a new era, but we're gonna have to stay focused. We gotta stay focused on the things above in Colossians 3:2. Keep your mind on the things above with a world around us, with mass distractions before us. It's gonna be so easy to low lose the focus that Father has for us, but we have to make a decision today. No matter what may be before me, nothing can stop me because he is for me. If he be for me, who could stop me? So, and 25 is through, we're all gonna walk together in something awesome, something new. So, but I gotta keep my mind on the things above, not things of this world, because the things of the earth are constantly transitioning, constantly moving, and what was right today won't be right tomorrow. But one thing about the king of God, it is it's consistent, it's persistent, it never ever changes. We have to learn that be persistent and consistent in the things that the Father has desired for us, amen.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Amen. Well, I know you you mentioned even earlier on about distractions. Um, in this world, there are so many distractions and delusions, and it could all do all the D's, right? Um, what would you say to somebody who just feels like they're they're like almost lacking, they feel like they're lacking clarity, they're very distracted. Like, what would you say to somebody who just really wants to get back into that place of you know, really focusing on the Lord and and pushing out the voices of the world, pushing out the voice of the enemy to help them move forward into their destiny?

Focus In A Distracted World

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Well, the word of God says bring every thought into captivity. It's a it's an act of discipline, a consistency. Every time your mind wants to wander, going back into things that delayed you, things that sideswiped you, things that's trying to take you, your mind is constantly rolling. What you have to do is remember we're spirit beings. We don't listen to the mind, we listen to the spirit of God within us. So he said, you know, come out from among them, be separated. It's an act of discipline. Bring every thought to captivity. You have that power. It's not going to happen overnight, so don't get discouraged. But every time a thought comes up, you speak to it in the name of Jesus. That's not my thought, that's not my desires. You may be a jogger, you're running. And next thing you know, you get a mile down, and your mind says, Okay, I'm done. I took my wall. Did I really? I'm not going to listen to my mind. No, I'm going to listen to my spirit and I'm going to press another mile. And it could be anything you're facing in 26 new. There'd be things that might rise up around you trying to discourage you. Say, well, here we are, another year. Here we go again. The same thing over. No, I rebuke that. No, we're not living in the past. We're not reverse, we're not going to rehearse the past. I've stepped into a new era, a new season. I'm going to bring every thought to captivity. You're going to have to discipline the mind. You're going to have to take action on this. We hear a lot of things, but we're going to have to start activating what is spoken to us, what God is saying to us, what the prophets that are tuned into what God is doing. You need to hear what the Spirit of the Lord is saying. You got to bring every thought into captivity and come out from among them. And you got to be careful who's around you, what they speak over you, what they're speaking in you, because it could it could delay you. Sometimes we respond to what people say and not what the word of God says. Whose report says in Isaiah, are we going to re-believe?

unknown 15:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

And you and I were talking just before we got on. Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Who said that you can do that?

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Who do you think you are? Yeah, who do you think you are?

SPEAKER_01 15:39

Yeah. Who do you think you are? Well, let me tell you about that.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Yeah, really, even me. I'm not gonna throw it out of school in eighth grade because of my gifts. And everybody laughed at me. He said, You'll never mount my fill of beans.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

I mean, you can look it back now and and see it, right? It's interesting you just said that because even earlier this week, I don't know, it's just been kind of in the back of my mind. Um, just kind of speaking, just in remembering. I I like to this phrase of reminded to remember. Okay. So I look back at the very thing that I got in trouble for in school a lot was talking too much. And then so the very thing that I'm now doing is is talking. Like that's where my gift comes through is through talking and verbalizing and using my mouth, the very thing that tried to get silent. So just like for you, you said in eighth grade, um there was something trying to keep you from moving forward. So I almost feel like, would you speak into that for those people? Um, it's it's almost been a question that I've wanted to ask, like even on social media, I don't even know. Like, hey, what was the thing that got you got in trouble for? What was the thing that people tried to stop you from when you were a child? You said we have this DNA with this gifting, you know what I mean? Would you speak into that a little bit?

How Gifts Shape Work, Marriage, And Calling

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Yeah, because when you're not understood, you don't understand yourself, and people who don't understand their self is trying to tell you how to understand yourself, right? You really don't know your gift, and the church has missed it. The Bible comes very clearly about all the gifts. Yes, in fact, I'll open my my book on teaching on it real quick. And it's called a gifting seminar. And I give the gifting seminar because we have to understand the gifts in the Bible, we clump them all together. Like you said in 1 Corinthians 12, these are the manifestation gifts: the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, the kind of wonderworking faith, gifts of healing, working of miracles, prophecy, and anointed proclamation, discerning spirits and a person's ability, various kinds of tongues, interpretations of tongues. Now, these are manifestation gifts. We all walk in them. We are anointed to walk in them that God has given them to us. Then you got the ministry gifts we find in Ephesians 4 11. Now, the ministries gift are something totally different. This is a calling, this is what God has laid upon your life. Now, the ministry gifts are the apostle, the prophet, the evangelist, the pastor, the teacher. Now we're going to move to the motivational gift. Now, this is what you are walking in. This is your DNA. When you were born, you were born with a specific gift. Even as a child, it was birthed in you when God designed you, when God created you. And you'll find these gifts in Romans 12, 6. And the first one is perceiver, one who clearly perceived the will of God. A child that's a perceiver is always in trouble. He's always wants to go ahead because he's not content being where he's at, because he's seeing down the road, but he doesn't know how to articulate it to you because no one trained him. And since you know, I've been doing this, I've been helping families with their children so they can better raise their children when they understand why the child does what it does. Yeah, and I'm telling you, it's awesome. And then you have the server, one who loves to serve others. Now, they're the ones are always serving. You might get invited to somebody's house, and you're a server, you see the dishes. What are you gonna do? You gotta clean them up. You see something on the floor, you're gonna pick it up. You drive people crazy because you're always serving. This is only your dinner's not even done, you're already washing the dishes. You'll say, What's wrong with you? No, they're just a server. Yeah, this is this is this is your DNA. And then you come to the next one. The next one is teacher. Now they're the child we call the geek, they're the child we pick on, because that's the child that rather sit in his room all day with a buck. What's wrong with my child? Why don't you go out and play with other children? When we don't know their gifts, we don't know their DNA, we can squelch their life, we can squelch their purpose because we didn't understand, and we try to hold them back or try them to get them like everybody else. We are not like everybody else. You are not called to be like everybody else, you're unique, you give colors the way you see things. So you got the teacher that child is always reading that just two weeks. Is and you know, don't squelch that. You gotta see this, perceive this, and understand this. Then you got the child who's an exhorter. He's the happy child. Man, the house is burning down, the car's on fire. He's out in the driveway going, Yes, a brand new house, a brand new car. Burn, baby, burn. You said there's something wrong with you, kids. You're sick. No, he's an exhorter. He sees the positive end of it. He sees the other side of it. He never sees negative. He's always happy. Because why? He's an exhorter. One who loves to encourage others to live a victorious life. Amen. Yes, yes. Then you got the child that's the giver. One who loves to give time, talent, energy, and all kinds of means to benefit others. He's a child you give a toy to, and that's the child that gives the toy away. What are you doing? I just bought you a new toy, you gave it to Johnny. Well, he can't help himself. He's a giver, but you squelch his gift because you beat on him because, hey, wait a minute, man, stop giving stuff away. What's wrong with you? That's why we need to understand why we see the way we see things, because our gift colors the way we see things. We should do these seminars for marriage couples before they get married. Do the test together, discover what your gift and talents are so that when you get married, when your wife does something weird, or the husband does something weird. Oh, I understand. He can't help himself.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Right. Oh, that's so good. Where do you do these seminars?

SPEAKER_00 22:07

And wherever they open the door, whatever I'm gonna do one in a big church in February to all the leadership. I shared with them, and they didn't know nothing about it. Yeah, so by God's grace and mercy, I'm getting into this mega church, which is the first time I've been to a mega church. And uh they've asked me to express these gifts, amen.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

And like I said, the giver, my wife is a giver. Oh, help me, Jesus. If it wasn't tied down, she gave it away.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Oh, really? Wow. Did that cause any contention in your marriage?

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Well, because I really didn't understand it. Yeah, but uh I I had to learn before I judge why does she do what she does? It's always my question. Yeah, so I would question what do you do? She says, Well, there was a need. This family needed a car, they didn't have a car. We got two cars, we don't need two cars. I've never seen it differently. So she gave my car away.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

So did you did you did she give the car away first with without you knowing?

Leaving Everything In 2003: Radical Trust

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Oh, yeah, she just gave it away. That's because that was her gift. Oh wow, and I come home and I said, I had her cars, so where's my car? Oh, the neighbors down the street have four kids, didn't have money, and they they gotta go grocery stop and have a car, so gave them ours. I gave them the title. Oh my goodness. I had to think, okay, yeah, I have to breathe now before I kill her because right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

I mean, you imagine so what what is your like main gift then of these gifts?

SPEAKER_00 23:39

My gift gets me in pro. See, we we have three main gifts. My main gift is a prophet, yeah. My second gift is a teacher, my third gift is exhorter. The exhorter gift bounces me out because the other two gifts are black and white. I don't see gray. I I had to learn to be passionate, I had to learn to be sensitive because when I see something, I say it like it is. I don't mix words, you'll know where you are with me, I don't play with you, amen. But yeah, but I have to get bounced out, and God's been working on that. So that the exhorter part of me bounces me out. Okay, and I praise God for that. And as you grow in these gifts, also as you understand them, you become mature in them, like anything. And more you by reasonabuse, Hebrew says exercise your gift, and the more you use it, the more perfect you come in it. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Yes. So, like what what does it look like? So, profit um obviously is is probably one of your top giftings, right? So, what has it looked like for you to step into that? Because um, just even in a recent conversation with somebody, they um, you know, even in my own uh looking at these gifts, like profit keeps coming up, you know, very high for me as well. And somebody I was talking to recently, you know, they looked at that word, and I don't know if you could go a little deeper on that, because I think for some they look at that and they're like, oh no, that's not me. Like I could never do that.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Well, see, they could they don't that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 25:16

They don't know the the fullness of it, their DNA.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

So they don't under when you don't understand something, you can't grasp it. Yeah, see the person that's a prophet, when you're born with that gift, you see the world different than anybody else. Most people look at the present moment. The prophet looks down the highway miles away. Yeah, he sees what's ahead. Yeah, and so they're they're they're strange people, they're always aloof because they're always in the spirit thinking about something, praying about something, seeing something, and waiting for an opportunity whether to share it or not share it. Once I really understood my gift, I deliberately went to every prophetic school that I could find. And I went to one school that was really excellent for six years in a row. Wow, I wanted to be the best for God. I I want to perfect my gift because I used it haphazardly. When you don't know your gift, you can use it haphazardly. You can hurt people with your gift. Yeah, but I would say for every married couple and people, single people before they get married, would be awesome if they could get the gifting seminar and understand who they are and why they chose the mate that they chose. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Yes. Well, and if somebody's listening to this right now and um maybe they're not able to listen full fully to the whole episode, which is where I'll I'll ask you for contact information and they're hearing you talk about this gifting seminar. How could they reach out to you and learn more about you, maybe coming to their church or their ministry?

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Well, they could just get me in my email. Gateway get I think you put my website up.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Yeah, I'll put everything in the show notes, but if you want to just even speak it out as well, if somebody's just listening in, they're like, What is it?

SPEAKER_00 27:04

It's Gateway Apostolic Ministries.com. Okay.com. And I'd be glad to talk with you, to share with you, to help you. I'm here to edify to build the body of Christ. Yes, and I'll tell you, even churches, it helps churches because we place people in the wrong place. And that's why they're not content. Your gift also affects your workplace. If you're working in something that doesn't is not compatible with your gift, you're not gonna be happy.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

I I was uh that was me for 20 years.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Yeah, because it was horrible.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

It was horrible. It was horrible. I felt like I was in a cage.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Like my wings were clipped, my wings were literally quit clipped, and it wasn't until I like the Lord said, go, and you know, maybe somebody's listening in today. And um, you know, when you're in a in our world, we you you might be in a secure job, or you know, you think you have all the benefits and the retirement, and yet if you're sitting, maybe you're listen listening to this in a cubicle right now, and you're like, I'm miserable, I can't stand what I'm doing. What would you say to that person?

Miracles, Humility, And Honest Prayer

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Well, I would tell them find out where they can learn about their gift and and pray, ask the Holy Spirit, why am I miserable? Why am I uncontent? Even I'm married, I'm not content. I'm very incontent because I really don't know me. I I don't know who I really am, I don't know my purpose. I'm frustrated. I know I was created for something more than a nine to five job. Yeah, well, God created us, we were created to lead. We're created to lead, and everybody says, Well, if everybody's a leader, who's gonna be the follower? See, that's the mistake we make. When you discover your gift and operate your gift, your gift, like Jesus said, to be the greatest of all, be the servant of all. When you discover your gift, lead in your gift, dominate your gift, release your gift, teach your gift to everybody around you, and bless them. That's what he said. Serve true leaders, help you to discover your God-given gift and talents to edify you, to build you, to send you, to mature you. And then so somebody that's sitting behind a desk right now, that's even maybe depressed, and it's time to really seek the Lord, inquire of Him, and ask Him, and start thinking about how you operate. What do you do all the time you don't know why you do? And you start watching the way you operate, you're gonna discover wait, I'm compassionate, I'm always crying. I didn't realize that's compassion. I just there's something wrong with me. Why am I always crying? Well, when you think about it, now you know why. And like I said, you might be the one that's a giver. Man, I just gave that. Why did I give that away? What's wrong with me? I give everything, I have nothing anymore. Then you get mad at yourself. No, you're a giver. Yeah, and like I said, the one that's a teacher, they're very discontented with a job that doesn't try a job that doesn't challenge them. A teacher's got to be challenged. If he's not being challenged, if he's not learning, he's not growing, he's not maturing, he's miserable.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Yes, yeah, he's miserable. Have you like maybe this is kind of a broader question, but you know, let's just use um exhorter for an example. Like what what professions or what ways of serving, like if they were to be in the workplace, what have you seen as maybe a better fit for somebody than working behind a computer, let's just say, which is what I did.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

And I'm an exhorter. Someone being exhorter, the best job for them is life coach.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Which is what I'm doing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Life coach is what exhorter is good at. Yeah, you help people discover their God-given gift and talents. Yeah, you you help you ask the right questions, and all of a sudden you start getting the lights come on. Yeah, that's what a good life coach does. That's a good exhorter. Yeah, they're the ones who are good coaches, they're the one who tell the kid to just stroke out. It's okay. At least you try, man. This is gonna be awesome. You get good at it. And he keeps striking out, but he says, No, man, you're doing good. You're up the bat. I'm proud of you. That's an exhorter.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Yes, yes. And that's I mean, that's exactly like I worked in accounting for 20 years as an exhorter. And I was able, you know, it's you know, just as my personal story, like I was able to exhort in that environment, but it was it was just like a I just felt like a captive all those years, and yet I kept kept doing it for the paycheck, which is not a good way to go about it. Um I wanted to kind of like go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

We weren't created just a for a paycheck, okay?

SPEAKER_01 32:13

I know, I know, and it it it took like a two by four to the head to figure that one out. And I'm and I know other people are in that situation, so I feel like somebody's gonna get free today. Um, I want to kind of like bounce back a little bit. 2003, you said you had a suitcase and you left. Yeah, tell us more about that. Speaking of like just walking out your purpose, you literally walked out with a suitcase.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Yeah, like I said, I prayed, you know, I was praying. I said, Okay, Lord, this changes everything in life. What do you want me to do? Yeah, and I heard him very clear. You could you could I had a lot of churches I was overseeing. He said, You can still oversee the churches, you could take a sabbatical, or I have something else for you. Well, being the person I am, I always like a challenge. Well, boy, what is this thing that you have for me? And then the next word shocked me. He said, Leave it, leave everything, come follow me.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Those are familiar words, right?

Age, Identity, And Refusing To Retire

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Yeah, my gosh. You know, it became a reality what he said to me, and I had to follow through. I gave the car away that I had, I gave the churches to all the pastors, and I just turned everything over to my family, packed my suitcase. I borrowed a car, borrowed money, because I gave everything away. Like he said, leave everything. When he says leave everything, make no provision for yourself, he told us that make no provision. So when he says, I I've guessed in Luke, he's make no provisions to go back. He said, Leave everything, don't take uh, you know, your staff with you, because your staff back then was your identity. So when he told him, don't take your staff, he's saying you're getting a new identity. Well, wait a minute, everybody knows me by my staff. They that's how I'm identified. Well, you're not gonna be identified with the world anymore. You're not gonna take your staff, and take no take no bag uh pouch with you, take no bag with you. Well, Lord, you're sending me out. Yeah, now you're telling me leave all my provisions behind. Yeah, that's right. And it goes on and on and on down at home list. Yeah, but we have to get so secure in him. When he said to go, I left. Yeah, I had no idea where I was going. I borrowed a car, I borrowed money, got on the highway. I lived in Jersey and went to New York State, and I hadn't stopped since. I had never been back. I just never stopped. I just kept going across the whole world. Did whatever he said to go, I went. I lived on supernatural faith, supernatural provisions. And finally had to take my car back to my son, and then the car just showed up. I wore that out, another car showed up, wore that out. Whatever I needed, it showed up, and then I was like David. I had all these myth fits with me. I found all these young people that had nothing and no place to go. I said, just come with me. And we traveled, we watched God provide the money. We watched supernatural provisions come, we watched cars show up all across America. It just was just supernatural. Don't take your staff, don't take your backpack with you. You know what I mean? Don't take any money with you, don't take any bread with you. Just come. Yeah, because he wants you to understand he's your source and your resource, your provider, your guide, your protector. He's our father. That's what a father does. That's when you really discover true fatherhood. When the fathers step up into their place, they're the source, the resource, the provider, the guide, the protector of the family. We gotta see, and fathers gotta step into them. You're the foundation of the family, not the woman. The woman wasn't created to be the foundation a man was. If a man's not in place, the woman has nothing to stand on. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah. Well, would you be willing to share like maybe one or two of the wildest like testimonials that you had in your journey since 2003?

unknown 36:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

Just to like, to like, just like I said in the beginning, like a holy IV of hope for somebody who's like, I don't know if I could do that. Like the word of you know, our testimony just is so powerful, and it really can spark somebody to step into something that the Lord's calling them into as well, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Amen. I was up in Hornell, New York, but the end of 2003. I did a church service, then they invite me back to the farm. And I'm I'm on the farm, whether making lunch, and a woman comes out of the house, but the baby's about two years old. It was just a ragdoll. So she put the baby in my arms. She said, I want you to pray for my baby. It's dying. So I took the baby and said, Can I go out in the field? And I went out in the field and I cried out to God. I said, Lord, I don't have faith for this. Lord, I don't know how to pray for. I was hopeless. Lord, I I can't do this. This baby's not even breathing, it's laying in my arms, just very limp. And I was so broken because I thought I, you know, I thought I had the faith to move mountains. I thought I had it all. But that baby by arm the hole. I was broken. I stand to feel just broken. I came back so discouraged, so just wiped out. Like, wow, man, here's a woman believing for her baby to live, and she's trusting me because she saw miracles in church. We're there for two signs and wonder that here's a baby in my arms, lifeless. And I felt so defeated, so hopeless. Taking that baby back and putting the mother's arms. You could see in her face, just hopeless. She could see there was no change. Two days later, I got a phone call, and everybody, there's like 20 people on the phone, all screaming at once. They said, after you left, the baby started doing some really weird things. We couldn't understand these movements. What was going on with the baby? So they helicopter baby to children's hospital in Philadelphia. The doctors wanted to know what was going on. So they took the baby into the hospital, they did an examination, and they discovered the baby's original brain was dying, it was almost dead. They just found a brand new brain in the baby's head.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Oh my word.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

He was totally healed.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Oh my word.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Yeah, he was totally healed. It wasn't me, it was Jesus. Because I was honest. I I'd lost it. I don't have but you know what? He was faithful.

Word Before World: Media And Mindset

SPEAKER_01 39:17

Yeah, he was faithful. He was faithful because you know, I I think sometimes, you know, just even in your own testimony here, like you were you were hopeless, like even thinking that the that the baby could survive, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:34

Yeah, well, I I I mean I I've heard people say like I don't need it, like I'm hopeless. I I gee, Lord, I I I don't have it, Lord. I don't know how to even how to pray. You know, but I prayed a simple prayer. Yeah, I said, Lord, I submit the baby into your hands. This is beyond me. So Lord, I submit the baby to your hands, have your way in this baby's life and put the baby back. Yeah, but sometimes you get into situations and which presented to you, which you see with your eyes, can deceive you. You don't see in the spirit what God was doing, but in the spirit realm, the honest faith, the honest prayer of broken and that honored prayer be coming before him, completely humble, completely broken, was the key to unlock the door for the miracle.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Amen. Say that again. So they're the humble, like being humble did what?

SPEAKER_00 40:32

Yeah, because like I said, it was humbling. Because you know, I've been on the road for about eight months. Now and praise God was a lot of wonderful things happened. But when I got to that place, I was broken. I was very humbled. I realized my frailty. I realized my weakness. I realized my lack of faith. It just like it was like a wake-up cough where I really was, not where I thought I was. And boy, that's a it was a real revelation to me. It was just really awesome. And there's more to that story. And I I guess I I don't I lost track of time. I went back to, I don't know, say, I'll say six months. I don't remember. And I went to the church where the baby's going, Nicole now. She's like four years old, maybe. Anyhow, it was sometime. Maybe she was two and a half. I don't remember the age, but it was some time since I've been back. And the mother came up to the church with Nicole, but she was carrying her. She's a big girl now. She was healthy, strong, but she couldn't walk. The mother said, You know, everything is awesome. We praise God for her daughter's healing, but you know what? She can't walk. So she sat her down in front of me in front of all this church. I said, Oh Lord. I said, You're not done breaking me, are you? Yeah, right. You're not done with me. Yeah. So I just reached out my hand like Peter did. And I put my hands out, her little hands took my hand. She stood up and ran through the whole church. By a touch. She just got up totally healed completely. And she started running around the church. When she was running around, I ran out the back doors. I'm done. I'm out of here.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

You ran out the back door.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

He said you're done here. That's what he said, you're done. So I went out the back door and never went back. I got a report many years later. She's in college. She's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Oh my gosh. Wow. Wow. And to be a conduit, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:34

That's it. We're God's conduit. If allow the Holy Spirit to flow through us, stop thinking with limitations. Stop thinking indoctrination. Stop thinking that what the world society put on you. Have the mind of Christ. Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus. And I can promise you there'll be such an anointing, such an outpouring on your life. I mean, we got to be encouraged, sons and daughters. We got to be encouraged. We think in limitations that bind us and hinder us from what's been indoctrinated to us. But there's so much more to life for us, I promise you.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

Where God just shut up. We've seen the dead raise, the blind see, the lame walk. It's just that's the that's who we are. We should not be surprised when we hear these things, see these things, witness these things, when these things unfold in front of us. But it's a religion and doctrine of man has limited on the potential that God has put within us. Not one of you out there lack any good thing. The only thing you lack is understanding of your purpose, call, and destiny. When God created you, he created you in his likeness, in his image, and as he is, so are you. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Amen. Well, I I want to ask you a question. Could you tell us your age?

SPEAKER_00 44:07

I'm 81.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

Okay. I get I want you guys to hear to hear this and and just listen to what Bill has been sharing with us today. He is he is fiery and fired up. The world, the system, right? There's systems of the world. The world has this echo to retire, right? It's time to retire. You're 65. That isn't that the age that they typically would say, like kind of get that indoctrinated into, oh, you you need to retire. I like to call it, no, no, no, no, no, it's time to re-fire. So being that you are 81 and you are re-fired. I would love for you to even kind of tell us a little bit more about just the the being your age, um, maybe having people around you that I don't know if you have people around you that are like, what are you doing? Like, um, I don't know. Like, would you speak to somebody maybe that's listening today that maybe they're in their 60s?

SPEAKER_00 45:05

A lot of people don't know my age when they see me, they think I'm 60.

unknown 45:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

And the way I run around. See, I learned to live in a spirit, not the flesh. Yeah. Speak to that a little bit more. See, we're spiritual beings having an earthly encounter, but we've been trained by the world and society on culture that when you get to a certain age and it's ingrained on us, we start thinking in the natural realm. Oh, I'm 65, I gotta retire. Oh, yeah, I can't do that anymore. I'm 66 now. Oh, I can't do that now. Where did that come from? Your mind is in control and not your spirit. When you live and move and have your being in the spirit, there is no age. He called us out of eternity, he brought us out of eternity into time, so time could experience eternity. We're eternal beings, so time would have never discovered eternity if not eternity come to time, which was us. When we live in that realm, then we are not limited. I still travel over the world, I still work out, I still do everything the Lord has asked of me at every assignment he's given me. I focus on the things above, not the things beneath me, not what's gone on around me, not the reticle people. I have a lot of people say things to me, I rebuke it right in front of them. Yeah, well, you know what? You need to stop. I said, You need to shut up. I'm rude. Don't you put that in me. You might be 60, you might be 70, you might be walking on a cane, but you chose that. I didn't choose that. I chose to get refired. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Amen. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

Yeah, I mean, we allow people to we allow people to speak death over us. Stop them. Don't be shy. Don't let my daughter is just in the hospital three months ago, and they said, Well, we got to put stents in you got a bad heart. I said, Whoa, whoa, whoa. So who says that? Oh, we got the we got the uh x-rays. I say, throw them out, they're not right. She's fine, she has no artery problem, she doesn't need a stent, she don't need any of that. I don't receive that, I rebuke that. Go back and take another picture. Oh, they were all upset. Well, they came back. Well, we must have missed something because their heart is fine, there's no blockage anywhere. So that's Jesus. But see, we allow the enemy, the enemy comes with a negative report. He comes with a rumor, tells the rumor to the doctor, the doctor repeats the rumor back to you, then you receive it. And once you receive it, you got it. Yeah, you gotta be confident enough in who you are to speak up, say, I don't receive that, I don't acknowledge that, I don't confess that. That's not who I am, that's not who I'm going to be. We gotta be understand our true identity in Jesus Christ and get the limits off of us that the world spoke on us that's trying to stop us, to hinder us from the fullness that God has for us. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

Yeah, I love, I love just how we have this opportunity to we get to choose, right? Um, I was told I wouldn't have children. Um, and the doctors are not God.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

Uh I I mean, he the Lord proved them wrong. And I think it's unfortunate too, if we look at our society at how I mean unhealthy physically, spiritually, mentally we are. It's uh as the decades go on and we have more technology and more opportunities, more schooling. Wouldn't you say things are going in a more backwards in the way?

A Father’s Blessing Over Daughters And Sons

SPEAKER_00 48:51

Because AI is taking over the world, taking over our mind. Somewhere in Revelation, they gave power to the beast. And when he gave power to the beast, it spoke, it said blasphemies against the most high God and had horns, their antennas. But again, like I said, you'd have to really study that out. But AI is a beast, it really is. It's thinking for us, and that's what the enemy wants. He doesn't want us to think for ourselves, they want to think for us, and sad part, we're buying into it. We got a cell phone. The cell phone called a cell phone, but it's a cell. We rely on it. What's up, honey?

SPEAKER_01 49:29

I remember you saying that on a Facebook Live that you did like a cell phone. I had never heard of that, like I'd never thought of that before, as it being like a almost like a jail cell.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

It is because people can't get that rid of it, they can't let go of it. It's the first thing they grab in the morning. The first 20 minutes when you wake up is when your spirit is the most alive. That is your time to start praying or get into the word and feed that spiritual man for the day before you, and your day will unfold with such grace and such peace before you. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

Yes, I I was sharing that, and and this is a very easy way to remember it. Um, there's an author that I I read her her books years ago, and just one of the most impactful words that she said is is basically what you're saying. It was three words of word before world.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

Yep. Yeah, yeah. Wow, his word. We need the word in us, that's the problem. We we've been indoctrinated to get on our our computer. All this media stuff is just a mass distraction. That's why God said, keep your mind with things above, not only things of the earth, amen. Yes, yes, it's it's it just takes us so off course, and that's why there's so much stress and anxiety and bewilderness on people because they're not walking out their gift, their purpose, the plan that God had for them. They're living under the dictates of man, they're living under the demands, and our parents meant well, but when our parents didn't really understand us, we might say as a child, I want to be a doctor. Their parents laugh at you, you'll never be a doctor. Remember, we're a poor family, we don't have that kind of money to put you to school. So, what'd you do? You just tamper that child's destiny. Yeah, instead of saying, Well, you know, praise God, let's let's work on that together. Yeah, let's bring that about. But how many times growing up? Oh, my father was a carpenter, so guess what? Uh I'm a carpenter. Then your son's a carpenter. Your whole life, you guys are carpenters. Maybe your father was called to be a carpenter, but maybe you were called to be a nurse or something, right? Or you know, whatever. Yeah, but your whole life you're trying to live out somebody else's dream, somebody else's vision. What about your own dream? What about your own vision? What about your own call? What about your own purpose? Do we have an identity crisis?

SPEAKER_01 52:00

That's exactly it. Yes, that's what I've been saying.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

So, this is a problem in America, it's a problem in the church. Church don't even know who they are.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Like the school system, too. Oh, they're completely I see it's almost like it's like cattle prodding. Yep, and like putting putting everybody into one little chute.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

That's it, right? Well, that's what they're doing. They're getting everybody indoctrinated to what they want to get done. If you get on that internet and all that junk in your trunk, it's gonna really mess your mind up. It grieves the Holy Spirit within you because there's so much potential He has sewn into you. The things you want to see change in the world, it's in you to change it. Don't wait for somebody else to do it. If you see it, change it. You got the anointing, you got the call, you got the purpose. John 14 says, John 14 says, I I have prepared a place for you. If it were not so, I would have told you. God has prepared a place for each and every one of you. That's why He's shaping you, molding you, equipping you, preparing you for that spot he laid out for you. No one else can fill your spot, no one else can take your spot, no one can fulfill your spot. It's carved out for you to fit into, and we cannot fit into somebody else's, but our whole life we're trying to get a round peg and a square hole, it's not gonna work.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Yes. Well, as you're speaking, would you would you just speak in an invartation over somebody who's listening today? Because I feel like, you know, just even in the work that I do working with women, you know, I I get this privilege to go behind the scenes with women and help them, you know, get unlocked, get moving, step into their purpose, discover their identity, their destiny. Um, but I don't always get to work with those people. And and thankfully with this podcast, we get to hear different voices. And I just really feel like you have um a word for somebody today to help them really get unlocked. Um, we might be reaching somebody in China today, Bill. I don't know. But but into the sound of your voice, would you just um speak a word to somebody to help them just really step out today? Um on this day that they're hearing your voice. It could be two years from now that this podcast it launches in 2026, and somebody's hearing it two years from now. Would you speak a word of that person today?

Where To Find Bill And Closing Blessing

SPEAKER_00 54:25

Sure. Father, I thank you today. First, I'm gonna speak to daughters. Yes, I'm speaking to you, daughters, that today that the love of a father would fill you, you would feel the father's love heal and mend you. I know there's been confusion in your life, there's been trials and testings and abandonment too. But daughters, I want you to know today, I will never leave you nor forsake you. I have created you my likeness and my image, and daughters, I am preparing you in 26. I am preparing you to get a new view of you. Today, I'm gonna launch you out of the pit of yesterday into today what I have for you. Oh daughters, I see you. Sometimes you're walking, does anybody see me? I see you, says the Lord. You are the palm of my hand. No, I'm not disappointed with you, nor will I reject you. He's I created you in my likeness, my you're my princess, you're my bride. And as a father of faith, I bless all my daughters today. I bless you with that father's blessing, with that father's anointing, and every lie, deception, manipulation, seduction, and betrayal be broken off of you. Today your mind will be set free. He said, Just speak the word. Daughters, I am speaking into the atmosphere over you. Receive what the Lord would say to you, and confirmation will come to you. The confusion that's been in you, the doubt inside of you, oh, it's gonna get broken off of you. And today your mind will become clear. Yes, your mind will become clear, and the innocence of Christ, the purity of Christ, will restore the shame that you've been through. Oh, there'll be no more shame in your game. Daughters, I have remembered you, and know today I walk before you to make a path for you, where men try to misguide you and mislead you. The daughters of Father that will lead you, guide you, protect you, watch over you, speak life in you, heal the broken heart within you, and all the confusion that's been on you today will be broken off of you, the innocent of a child being restored to you, and confirmation coming to you for the prayers that you've been praying and seeking and asking for. Get into a quiet place, my daughters, the Lord would say to you, and I will speak in the heart of you. A joy unspeakable will fill you, your mind will become so clear, the cloudiness will leave you, and the confusion that bounds you, direction coming to you, I will enlighten you and strengthen you, pour out my spirit upon you without measure. Daughters, that's my promise to you. Father, I thank you for sons today. Yes, I pray over you, sons. Today's a day that Father is going to speak to his sons. Yes, he said, I'm gonna speak to you, men of God, and he's gonna make it clear to each and every one of you. You've been indoctrinated by man and culture and society of a western culture, and you've lost your view of the call upon you. As men did God called you, he called you from the first day from the womb to be fathers. A father is a nourisher, a strict uh encourager, a strengthener, a provider, a guide, a shield about his family. From the day you men were created, from the day he fashioned and formed you, you were daddies. You were called to provide and to believe, to guide, to wreck the world around you, to be the foundation of daughters that are around you. They're my daughters, they're my brides. And man, I want you to see them from my eyes, not the view of women that the world has given you, but eyes to see the woman before you, their daughters, and you're to take care of them, protect them, guide them, nourish them, strengthen them, and cover them. So, Father, I think of men today, and then I speak over to you the woundedness that you've been through, the rejection from fathers from childhood through. They didn't teach you to be a man, they weren't there to guide you, and I know your hearts are broken because some of you never had that father's love, that father's passion, the father's arms around you. Men, it's okay. Let the father put his arms around you and let him hold you to encourage you and strengthen you. And all you've men ever wanted to do is hear that word from Father. I'm pleased with you. I appreciate you, son. I'm proud of you. And that's all you've ever longed to hear is that he's proud of you. You waited your whole life to hear those words, but men, hear the word today. I love you, my sons. And I apologize to you as a father of the faith that I wasn't always there for you to guide you, to mend you, to strengthen you, encourage you, to guide you. But today it's all starts new. Men, I'm going to open doors supernaturally around you, and all the distraction of life that's distracting you, and all the perversion of the world that's trying to indoctrinate you. Today I break it off of you. That the mind of Christ be so pure inside you, a joy about to fill you, direction coming to you. You're a well of living water, but the world has capped you. But today, no, men, I'm uncapping you, I'm releasing you, I'm preparing you to be a witness for me, to be an epistle read by all men, and there to nourish the children that are coming up around you. Yes, men, I want you to nourish, encourage, and strengthen and protect these children. It's your job. So, men, I'm challenging you today, even if they're not your own children, when you see these little kids playing and you see something going around them, start praying for them and speak over them, speak life to them so they can grow up with a family and a father and a mother's love. So, Father, I thank you for these men today, true men of God who are sanctified, set aside, the glorified the most high. That today the word of God, men will bring clarity to you, bring understanding to you, release the anointing on you. I'll break your anointing, Isaiah 10 27. Men, rise up, rise up, men. I'll go before you. I will show you the way. I promise you. Look at your example. My son Jesus said it for you. Everywhere he went, there was compassion and love for the multitude around him. And men, I want you to be an ex example for women that pass your path. So, Father, bless these beautiful men today, these beautiful brothers, these sons of the most high God, and I thank you for them in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:54

Bill, it has been a joy to have you on today. I I hope you guys had notes. You might want to go back and listen again to everything he shared. There are so many keys and there's so much gold here. Um I swear every time you speak, I'm like, just it's a wellspring, right? So how can people um like hear more from you? Uh you know, you do speaking engagements. Um I do know you do something on Facebook. How can people tune into that?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:24

Yeah, on Thursday nights I teach one how to hear the voice of the Lord at eight o'clock, my time in Florida. It's Bill Dickerson while built on uh Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

A lot of people have put my my videos up from Gateway Ministries. And there's a lot of teachings, other churches put up that I'm on also.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:45

Okay, awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

And Sunday morning, eight o'clock, I'm on, and I teach every Sunday morning at eight o'clock.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:53

On on YouTube or Facebook on Facebook.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

Okay. Yeah, Bill Dickerson Wild Bill.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:59

Awesome. Well, you guys go follow Bill on Facebook and if you could just repeat again your email so people can reach out to you if they have questions or just want to connect.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:09

Sure, it's it's gatewayapostolicministries.com. That's my uh email. Gatewayopostolic ministries.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

Amazing. Well, thank you again for coming on today. Um, and thank you for being a brave voice who's setting so many free. As I close today, I'm gonna close with our anchoring verse over Hope Unlocked. It's may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope. And that's Romans 15, 13. So I will be back with another episode next week. Thank you again, Bill. We will talk to you later.