Stop Waiting for Clarity—Peace Is the Real Green Light with Marnie Swedberg

In this Hope Unlocked episode, Kristin Kurtz sits down with Marnie Swedberg to explore calling versus qualification, discerning peace as a guide, and leading with faith when clarity feels foggy. Marnie shares the origin story of Christian Women Speakers, overcoming comparison and perfectionism, and stewarding your voice whether on a platform, in ministry, or at the kitchen table. You’ll hear practical rhythms for sustainable leadership—Sabbath rest, mini retreats, and Spirit-led decision-making—plus insight into the launch of Women’s Ministry Association, a new resource for women’s ministry leaders. This conversation offers encouragement for multi-passionate leaders ready to trust God’s design, embrace faithful risk, and lead with hope that doesn’t collapse.

Marnie's contact info:

Website - www.Marnie.com

Resource from Marnie:

A-Z Names of God & Who I am in Christ

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Transcript

Welcome & Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlock Podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wild-hearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations, and thrive with confidence, courage, and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to NewWinksCoaching.net and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked Podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy IV of hope for your soul. Please help me welcome Marnie Swedberg to the show. So excited to have her here today. We connected probably within the last couple months, and I'm going to tell a kind of funny story before we get started. One of my friends actually shared her information and what she's doing. You'll hear more about that. And I actually thought it was for others. Tucked it away in an email. And I thought, okay, well, this is for me to share with other people. And I feel like I got kind of hip checked by the Lord. And it was like, no, you actually need to sign up for this yourself. So just wanted to put that out as a precursor as you hear what she's going to be talking about today, what she's doing. Marnie, would you be open to just sharing a little bit about yourself before we get into your story?

The Peace Litmus Test

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Absolutely. And thanks for having me, Kristen. So fun to be here. Yeah. Yeah. So I think what I want to start with is no matter where you are today as a listener, no matter what what you're doing today, just buckle up and get ready because Scott has more for you. So that's what I want to start with. And I think what you're asking me to talk about was women speakers.com and the story behind that. So in 2002, I was minding my own business and a blue clickable US map came into my head. And I was like, what is it? What's it for? I mean, I know it's a map and I could see the states, and you're supposed to be able to click them and they're popping up, but I don't know what it means. And I just started praying through that. And God revealed to me that at that time there were speakers bureaus for uh big name speakers and for the mega churches who could afford, you know, to fly them in and all of that. But then all of the other churches smaller than that were having trouble from time to time finding a speaker for their event, for their mother-daughter tea or their conference or their retreat or whatever. And God wanted just me to build a place online where planners could find a Christian woman speaker. And so I was like, I would have no idea how to do that. And he's like, Well, I can teach you. And I'm like, okay. So it was the the start of it, Kristen, was so clumsy and difficult and hard for five for like 10 years until 2015, it kind of got easier when technology caught up with the idea. But before that, that first that first 13 years was just climbing Mount Everest all the time. And it was so complex and it was so fun, but yet really hard. And I think that, you know, as we're going to talk about so many things today, if God's calling you to do something and it's not coming easily, don't worry. That's kind of part of the process, is the learning curve. And then, but but once we say yes, even if it's not easy, it's done with ease. And I say that like the word peace. It's done with peace. And that's the litmus test for me always is am I at peace?

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Yeah. Well, tell it like I want to back up a little bit, but first, you know, I'm people might be saying, Well, what does that look like for you to have peace as the litmus test?

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Okay, yeah. So I think I'm gonna read you Colossians 3.15. Um, this is the only verse in my whole Bible that has uh highlight, exclamation point, star smiley face. And it's in the amplified version. It says, And let the peace, the soul harmony which comes from Christ, rule, acting as an umpire continually in your hearts, deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds in that peaceful state to which, as members of Christ's one body, you were called and be thankful. So this is what peace is to me. Um, you know, if you think about the spiritual armor, it's the shoes of the gospel, the preparation of peace, the shoes of peace. And when I put on the armor every morning and when I'm going through the day, and I get to a point where I feel like my shoelace is untied, like I might be tripping over my feet pretty soon here. I realize I've lost my peace. And that's when I just go back and I'm like, okay, I need to stay in peace with Christ here, or I'm I'm off track somewhere. I if you think of the fruit of the spirit, Kristen, those are all emotion words: love, joy, peace, patience, those are all emotions. So when we use our emotions as the litmus test for how things are going with me in Christ in this moment, that just changes our whole experience in life because we want to be like, okay, do am I thinking God's experiencing this emotion right now with me? And if it's not on that list, if it's not, you know, one of the things, the character qualities of God, then we can just go, okay, something's wrong here. I'm believing a lie. And I get to, I get to oust that right now, and I get to go back to peace, or I get to go back to joy, or I get to go back to being calm and patient in the process.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Yes. And and just even through your journey at when you first started, 2002, you get a vision. You're like, I have no idea, right? You're like, how does this work? Where are we going? How is this all gonna come to pass? Um, even though it wasn't easy, did you have a lot of peace throughout the process? And did you have people to help, you know, bring peace, you know, through this process?

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah. So I feel like now I have a phrase for this that I just love so much. It's called fleshly confusion, but spiritual crystal clarity.

Pioneering Through Uncertainty

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Oh, I love that. I'm gonna say it again.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Say that again, yeah. Fleshly confusion, but spiritual crystal clarity. So that happens to me all the time because God is all, I mean, I'm a pioneer, I'm a forerunner. I'm I'm the person out in front with the ideas. We're just starting in 2026 now. We're just starting the women's ministry association for the women's ministry leaders in those smaller churches. And um, you know, not the mega churches necessarily, but any church. And and you know, she's usually just somebody who raises her hand and says, Yeah, I'll do it. And then she's on her own. Uh, nobody, nobody helps, nobody comes alongside. She doesn't have a mentor, she doesn't have resources. So we're going alongside. I know it's so exciting, but again, it is um, it's pioneering. It's going, it's going into this area where nobody's been doing this. And so for me, it's frequently um thoughts of either um uncle just not a not a clear picture, not a very clear path. Or if I take a step out, it's kind of like Indiana Jones walking across the case. Yep, yep, it's not walk right out there and there's nothing underneath you, you know, and you fall publicly, you fall publicly, which is not fun. But I just have this amazing sense of security that I have been called to women speakers.com. I have been called to the WM Association, I have been called to write songs, I've been called to do certain things. And when I have that confidence, then I'm able to just and I just say run. I just, I just think I can give all of my whole self to it. And I know that if I happen to make a misstep or a mistake, there's this huge safety net of God underneath me. And it's his thing. And so I just have no worry that in the end it's gonna work out, even if it's maybe a little embarrassing or something today.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Yes. When I love you, said it's his thing.

unknown 8:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Right. It's his thing, it's his vision, it's his he gave you, he gave it to you, to steward. And I love that you're also a pioneer. Um, I think being a pioneer can come with uh the pathway can be a little interesting sometimes, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:39

You know, I've always said it's so funny because that word has just kind of emerged in the last year for me, pioneer. But um, I've always said I was so grateful that I wasn't a pioneer woman because I read their stories, you know, actually the literal pioneers in the United States, and you read their stories, and it's like, oh my, how did they even survive it? I'm not nearly that tough. But then in this way, in this spiritual way, um, I am a pioneer, and you do have to be tough. I remember one time God had called me to something, and I it was Isaiah, and I'm trying to think it's Isaiah 40, but um uh I mean called, yeah, Isaiah 41, verse uh verse 10. Fear not, there's nothing to fear. I am your God, I will strengthen and harden you to difficulties. Yes, I will help you, I will hold you up with my righteous right hand. It's this coming into this full out, confident faith that I don't have to understand, I don't have to know, I don't have to be sure about anything, how it's gonna come out. All I have to know for sure is that it is God who called me to it, and then the faith is there that God will walk me through it.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

Amen. Yes, and so many of us, like I I would definitely call myself a pioneer. I I I just tend to like things when they're different. I I love like creating something that's different. I don't like cookie cutter things, I don't like things put in a box. I always say, like, I don't fit in a box, I burn it and I use it for kindling. Nice. I don't know. Have you always like, do you feel like you've always had this um pioneering heart, or is it something that you kind of grew into? I would love to hear like what that's looked like for you in your life, or did you just kind of like were you born this way?

SPEAKER_01 10:37

So one of my biggest messages to all women all the time is that you are unique. Um, and I always do this little example of hold up your thumb, just look at that one inch of your body. And you know, one time I was sitting across from a thumb print specialist in New York City at a table, and I said, I have to ask you this. So can is there ever like could there ever be two that are the same? And she said, she said, identical twins are really hard. She said, I really, really have to work to find the difference. But even with an identical twin, she can always find the uniqueness of that one inch of our bodies. We are all so unique. And in our own way, I think we're all pioneer women. I do. I think we were we are all called to stand in a position to take up a mantle, to do something that actually nobody else can do because nobody else is you. And so as God calls you uh to do this next thing, even if it's been done a million times by other people, nobody has ever done it the way you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Yes, that's so good. Just I feel like somebody's getting free just for you saying that right now. And what's really interesting, I had kind of a similar thing come for me years ago. I I feel like I did a Facebook Live and I was like, put your finger in front of your face and look at your your fingerprint. And I was like, now you might be going cross-eyed, but that's okay. Right. But you're cross-eyed, right? So we are, we truly are like so unique, right? And um, it's just beautiful because I feel like at times the world tries to, you know, kind of pigeonhole you into something. And I love that you're doing like I can you I can tell you're multi-passionate about things. Could you kind of speak to that a little bit about, you know, maybe for yourself, but also what you're seeing with the women that you've worked with? Um, you know, are they doing a lot of different things? Because kind of the message that I've heard over the years is, oh no, you can't really do more than one thing.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Yeah, I I think it's really interesting because I just got off of a meeting um with a gal who's so very focused on working with families who have someone addicted in them. Uh so she is like laser beam focused on that. Okay, and then I'm over here and I'm writing books and writing songs and you know, running running a restaurant, a retail store, all this stuff.

Uniqueness, Comparison, And Calling

SPEAKER_00 13:06

You have a retail store and a restaurant.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

We did, we did, we did. For 14 years, we had a retail store and a restaurant. While I ran women speakers.com and was writing books. So homeschool your kids. So you've got you just want to say, um, I don't actually need to fit into anybody's mold. What I want to do, and I I really focus a lot on um God's creation of us, you know, it says that before he created us, he assigned us good works that we should do. And I I take that really personally. Like I believe that you, Kristen, like you were telling me, you know, you got in trouble in school for chattering too much, you know, because you love to talk, you love people, you love to hear their stories. And so I believe that he created us specifically for specific work. So then I have um I have this little story that I tell about how you know the bicycle thought it was really hot stuff when it won the bicycle race, you know, and then it saw a race car go by and it's like, oh, I'm so slow compared to that race car. You know, but then the race car wins the grand prix and he thinks he's pretty hot until he sees a plane go overhead. And he's like, Yeah, but I'm trapped to the earth. And the plane thinks he's pretty big because he's up in the sky, but then a rocket flies by, then the rocket's out in outer space and he thinks he's pretty hot until he sees a shooting star. So I think anytime that we are comparing ourselves to anyone other than to what God created me to be, yeah, if I'm comparing myself to anybody else, I am in a losing position because I was not built like them. If you think of the difference of construction between a bicycle and an airplane, there's no comparison. A bike could never be an airplane, and an airplane would be a total failure at being a bike. But as we just actually study ourselves with Christ and say, who am I to you? Who do you call me? What do you call me? How do you see me? What do you want me to do? And this is where this is where we burst out into the fullness of the identity we've been given in Christ, and we start experiencing the joy that is unspeakable, the joy that comes in the midst of the challenges, the peace that comes in the midst of the hard things because we know we're doing what we were created to do.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yes, so important, so important. I know, like just even in my own journey, like I didn't really step into the fullness of what I was called to do, probably until I was 40.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

And I want, like, would you say it's never too late?

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Oh gosh, it's never too late. And it's always changing, also. So I don't think God ever changes, and I don't think our DNA changes all that much. But honestly, um, as we progress, as we are with different situations and have different experiences in our lives, absolutely. I mean, I'm just right now stepping into this women's ministry association and I'm in my mid-60s. So you just think, okay, this is interesting. So I have worked, I was a women's ministry leader for 20 years. I helped start women's ministries in 35 countries and then shifted all the way out of that to help women's ministries with speakers. Now coming all the way full circle again. So this has been a fun serendipity surprise for me to be here and to just realize wow, those 23 years in the middle when I was managing and directing women speakers.com are the reason why I am now in a position to be able to do what was always in my heart.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

There's seasons. Yeah. So incredible. Well, I want to be sure because speaker, okay. Speaker is a big word for people. Um, women that I talk to, speaking, using your voice, releasing your sound. It's been even for myself, I've had to really um do a lot of work to even come to this point to start a podcast. I've had people say you're the least likely person I would have ever thought. I'm like, hey, God, he's yeah, right. Yeah, because there was a chokehold on my voice for a long time. Um, so I would love for you to kind of share with us, first of all, for you. Um, did you do speaking before starting this? First of all. Um, and then second of all, what did it look like for you? Like, have you just kind of always flowed in being a speaker? Was there hesitation for you? Like, what does that look like for you personally?

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Yeah, I think I probably always um kind of gravitated to that. I think. I don't know. I never really imbued myself as a speaker. Uh, my first book came out in 1996, and then I kept I started getting asked to speak after that came out. And so I kind of became a speaker. Um, but before that, I was uh I owned my own business and I I think I sung for the first time in front of a uh church full of ladies uh when I was four years old. So I was always on the platform since I was teeny tiny. So I think that that came more easily to me. I have so many of my speakers at women speakers.com who just come in and say, I would be the last person you would ever think, you know. But but what I it's so much bigger than just the word speaker. And I love the word voice. You that's what you used. And I love that word because the enemy is totally bent on silencing your voice, however you would do it, whether you're a speaker, whether you're a nanny, whether you're a grandma, whether you're a you know, pastor, uh what whatever you are, whether you're a barista, it doesn't matter what you are doing. What matters is are you doing it with Jesus, for Jesus, and are you able to be his ambassador in the world? And the enemy, I always use the analogy of he wants you either, you know, he just wants you in a fetal position.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

That's it.

Finding And Guarding Your Voice

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Don't talk, don't help, don't serve, don't look, don't listen, just focus all on yourself, sitting here on your couch, being small, being invisible, just being silent. And that's the enemy's number one goal for you. If he can't kill you, he wants to silence your voice. And God's goal for you is that not only are you up off that couch, but you are living abundantly. You are flowing. Uh, it's it's the Lord's Prayer. May your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth that is as it is in heaven. When I personalize that, it's may your kingdom come, may your will be done through my life as I say yes to you on earth, just the same way I'll say yes to you in heaven.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

So good. I love how you personalize that too, because it it really settles in your heart more than just right.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

You just say it so many times, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's like, but how would God's kingdom come? Jesus came and he said the kingdom of God has come. And then he sent his disciples out and he said, Go tell everybody the kingdom of God is here. Yes, and it's because he came and now the Holy Spirit lives in us. The kingdom of God is here through you, Christian, through me, listener, through you. That's that's how it comes. And if we don't share it, if we let the same enemies silence our voices, that's a loss to the whole, all of mankind. It's a loss for eternity. Yeah, I think of what Jesus paid to give us this. We live on this side of the cross and how much it cost him to uh come, to live, to die, to rise again, to send the Holy Spirit so that we can be this vessel of God on earth. And it's like, wow, I don't want one of his stripes, I don't want one drop of blood to go unredeemed.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yes. Thank you for showing that. Because I feel like, again, I there's just so many women um, you know, that I've worked with, and there's just a lot of hesitancy, whether their voice has been attacked in some way, or they just feel like, oh, I don't have a good voice, I don't, I'm not uh what my lie was that came for me was oh, I'm not eloquent of speech. I can't do that. Well, who who said that to? Who else said that in the Bible? Moses. And what did Moses get to do? He freed a lot of people through his yes. His hesitant, yes. So I would say, like, you know, just vulnerably for me personally, like I'm like a hesitant speaker, right? But I would love for you to share maybe somebody who came into the association and was like, I I don't know why I'm here. I don't know what I'm doing. And maybe just a testimonial of somebody who like hesitantly stepped out and kind of what what happened on the other side of their yes.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

That is such a good question. I actually don't have a specific person in mind when you say that. I think I uh I recently saw uh Barbara's at a conference. I don't know if you know who that is, but she's Barb Ruth. And she's just amazing. She's written several books and uh it's kind of a bigger name in the media. And um, she's she stands tall. She's like six foot or six one. Oh, and she saw me down the hall. I'd never met her in person. She's been with women speakers for, I don't know, 15, 20 years, forever. Okay. And she just threw her arms out to the side and she walked right toward me and just embraced me in this huge hug. And she said, she she pushed me back so I could just she had her hands on my shoulders, you know. And she says, she says, You were there for me at the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

And that's kind of how I feel like so many people have been to me in my life. Um, that I get to do that with other people, that you're doing that with people, um, that we all get to do that with somebody, maybe it's a niece or a child or, you know, whatever. Uh, we all have people in our lives that we get to be there for them at the beginning. We get to be with them wherever they're starting, uh, wherever God has called them to step out. I kind of want to swing back to uh a little bit of my story because um I really didn't, I really struggled through school, just dyslexia and just a lot of things. I really, really struggled through school and barely graduated. I really did not learn how to read well until I was an adult. Uh and so now to look back, and I've written 14 books. I host every year, I host this major online uh virtual writers retreat where I'm training other writers and bringing in multi-polished authors to train the writers. You you have no idea what God wants to do with your life. And a lot of times it is through those weaknesses that he is made strong.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Say that again.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Yeah. And and every strength has a weakness. So let's just focus a second on the weaknesses. You might say, I could never do blank, I could never be a speaker, I could never be an author, I could never teach children, I could never whatever. I could never do that because of whatever reason you have. Okay, that's what you would say. This is my weakness, right? So every weakness that we have, there is an equal or greater strength that God has available to us through that weakness. We never look at that. We just look at the weakness as the reason, the excuse, the why. But that's coming from that's coming from um the perspective again of the enemy who wants you in a fetal ball. But when we listen to Jesus, he's like, Oh, sure, Peter, get out of the boat, let's walk on some water, you know. Yeah, Peter's impetuativeness, which got him called Satan at one point. Jesus is like, get behind me, Satan, you know, because he's so impetuous. But that that very weakness was the thing that allowed him to walk on water. So if we just say, where I see a weakness, I'm gonna look for Jesus to come through here with a strength. What is the opposite of that? Where can I see that strength, right? So, and and again, if we keep remembering that the fruit of the spirit is revealed to us through emotion, then we are able to not wait until we get to heaven to hear well done. I'm looking for a well done at the end of every day. I'm like, how are we tonight, God? You know, are we good today? You know, and sometimes I just go to sleep with a well done, and sometimes it's like, yeah, we got a couple of things to talk about. You know, so I think that we don't have to wait and wonder if we can have this relationship with God every moment where we're walking through life with him amidst our weaknesses, knowing that he loves to show off and he loves to be strong in those.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Absolutely. I mean, just think of, you know, when you were talking earlier, I was thinking of the woman at the well, right? Absolutely. She obviously had some weaknesses and yet chosen to be the first woman evangelist.

unknown 26:35

Right.

Weakness As A Doorway To Strength

SPEAKER_00 26:36

Right. Absolutely. So I I feel like what one thing that I've done, like for myself, I've just kind of looked at people in the Bible and I'm like, okay, like look at them. Look at look at what they have. They're they're literally chosen. First of all, they're chosen, then they're highlighted in the Bible. What how do I resonate with maybe Moses, right? So Moses was like, I am not eloquent of speech. That was what came for me. I'm like, okay, we're gonna push through this battle and we're gonna like actually release the sound. It might sound kind of funny at first. May not be perfect, but that's okay. Wouldn't you say, like, I know you know, I might say um too many times, or I might say different filler words too many times, but that isn't something to stop you from speaking or getting out there and sharing your voice, wouldn't you say?

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Absolutely. There was uh many years ago now I had uh I've been trying so hard to follow God and to do what he asked. And I kept just I kept getting like just in trouble. I kept uh it kept not working out, and I was just so discouraged. And there came uh there came a morning when I just said something that I continued to say every morning then for about a year until I kind of got past that season. But it was this phrase I would say, God, the only reason I'm gonna get out of bed today is because you're gonna take my mistakes, my missteps, and my misspoken words, and you're gonna turn that manure into a beautiful flower garden. If this is true, and because this is true, I'm getting out of bed today.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

I love that. Can you say that again?

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Yeah, because I think I think we think it's all supposed to just look like flowers from day one. Right. That isn't how this works. No, there's seeds, there's there's storms. Yeah, you know, yeah. So I would just say, God, the only reason I'm getting out of bed today is because you're going to take my mistakes, my missteps, and my misspoken words, and you're gonna turn them into beautiful flower gardens.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

And you added manure to it, right? I did because that was the visual. That was actually that was actually the visual, is that those things that I was bringing to the table, woohoo me, those things I was bringing as my gift to him, you know, that that was the manure. Yeah, and he was and he was like so happy to have it. And this is one of the things that I'm always teaching women is God is the only one that wants your junk, but he wants all of it. He wants every last hidden lie, secret, deception, uh, perversion. He wants all of it. He's like, give it to me, give it to me, give it to me. Because as long as we keep it, as long as we're hiding it, as long as we're trying to get over it, to be better than it, whatever, he can't actually heal us. It's when we give it to him that we can be free of it. And and he wants it. I I just think, you know, none of my friends, not even my husband, can handle all of my junk, but God actually literally wants it. He wants it.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

That's so true. Like such a great reminder because I think we can, you know, just even with people around us, be ashamed even to share our junk. But he wants, he wants it all. And he's never gonna like turn us away. He's gonna love us no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Forgiven, as far as from the east as from the west. Totally forgiven.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Yes. Well, if you could, I know you you have a very you you're just full of wisdom and revelation. I would love for you to just share a little bit about how you came to know the Lord. Like, were you young? Were you like 40 years? So little.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

I had the blessing of being raised in a family where the mom and dad loved God, loved each other, and loved us. And as I've worked with women over the years, you have just so many thousands and thousands of women. Um, I just know that that's really an amazing gift. Um, I have three beautiful sisters, and we are all just sold out serving God. Again, another rare thing to find in families. And um, so as I was just little, I remember, I remember exactly when I was four years old, and I just realized that I was naughty and that um God, God was good and he was holy, and I wasn't gonna be able to be good enough to get into his heaven. And I really wanted to, and so I just recognized that Jesus, you know, his death on the cross was in my place. I somehow at four years old, I just knew that's what I needed. I needed somebody to be my savior, to actually take that sin um punishment away from me and to um and to make a way for me to come to God. And I hear something now these days that really concerns me, Kristen. It's it's um it's a phrase that goes, um, Jesus came to save us from God. And and I I know that, you know, okay, so the way that they get there is that when we come try to come into the presence of God on our own merit, uh, just by our good works, our good efforts, that's not going to be good enough. And God's wrath comes against the sin. Okay, but the thing is that Jesus came to save us to God, not from God. He came and he made a pathway, it says, so we can go directly into the heavenlies, into the throne room with God. And Ephesians 2, 6 even says that we're seated in the heavenlies right now. That's how come we can bring heaven to earth, is because spiritually we're seated with God, with Jesus in the heavenlies right now, bringing heaven to earth. So I feel like, you know, I had a huge advantage uh coming to Christ at such a young age. And then my mom and my grandma both were Bible memory maniacs. Um I can remember as a kid, we had to memorize five Bible verses a week. And I can remember Saturday morning standing in front of my mom's dresser in her bedroom, jumping up and down, trying to say, I'm trying to get ready to go outside and play, you know. Uh and so I I just had I just had a really lot of um a lot of spiritual input advantages over a lot of people. And I'm I'm really grateful for that. That also did a lot to protect me from making terrible decisions during my teen years and young adult years. So just super grateful for that early start.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

Yes. Do you remember like what your favorite verse was when you were young?

Early Faith, Scripture, And Identity

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Oh, well, I don't know that, but I know all of our favorite for chapter still is Psalm 91, He that dwelleth in the secret place, you know. My grandma, my mom, mine, all my sisters, we just all say it together, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Yes, I love that chapter. It's so good. Uh so as you like are starting a new branch of what you're doing, could you tell us again just a little bit more of what that's about? Um, I would love for gals to be able to, you know, sh you know, see what you're doing, hear a little bit more about it, and then get to your website as well for sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Yeah. So that um thewomen speakers.com, that's where you can find a speaker to come speak at your event, or you can register as a speaker to go speak at women's ministry events. But then the new one is WM Association, just abbreviated ASSN. Uh, so WMASSN.com. And that's just brand new now in 2026. And so we're just over there. There's um, you can just like claim your church, and that is where you say my church has a women's ministry. So that a gal that's coming new into a community as she's searching the internet, you know, is there are there any women's ministries near me? Boom, that will come up then. And it'll allows you to say, you know, what do you offer? Do you offer Bible studies or you know, child care uh retreat, or you know, it allows you to say that. And then on the back side of that, if the women's ministry leader of the church wants to join the association, then that includes uh a weekly strategy, e-sign, um, also quarterly intensive, where you'll just get training on one specific thing. It includes an annual conference as well as um as well as local connects where you can reach out to other women's ministry leaders right there in your own community or within driving distance to get together and encourage one another. So this has just been something that's really been lacking. Oh, one of my favorite things about the new uh association too is the idea exchange, where you're able to put in an idea of something your group just did, uh, like a um community closet swap or you know, whatever it is, um you can put some information in there, how other people can do that too, and how it worked for you. So I think it's gonna be really helpful.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

That is so incredible because you know, like everybody there's such a collective of you know different experiences that people have walked through. It's like, oh, I never thought of that. That could be incredible.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Right.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

I love this. It's like super connecting. It is. So you're like, I'm a connector too, like you're a super connector, obviously. But so uh do you have a lot of tech background or do you have a lot of people that are all self-learned?

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Yeah, I had to learn it all myself. Um, and my mom was kind of uh, she was one of those early adopters. So we owned as a family, we owned one of the first apples that were computers that were ever out there because she was a computer programmer and before her time. And so um, so I had kind of the advantage of that. But yeah, I've I've had to do a lot of learning myself. And then I do have a team. I have a pretty diverse team. I don't have anybody full-time, but I have a lot of part-time help um from all over the world um helping me both with um, you know, uh customer care, uh, taking care of our members and those who come to the sites, as well as, you know, I've got one gal that just does the renditions of the songs that I write. I have, you know, uh I have tech support for the websites and programmers and people that keep everything up to date. I have a media, media marketing gal that helps do that. So a lot of people to help.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

Yes, a village. You have a village.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

It definitely takes a village, that's for sure. So, what like what do you need in what you're doing right now? Is there anything like thing that you need help with? I guess that's a question I feel led to ask. I'm not sure why today.

WomenSpeakers And New WM Association

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Um well, I always I always ask, if you pray for me, pray that my faith would not fail. And I think um just as I you were talking about the different people in Hebrews 11. And I think some of those people, their faith actually did fail along the way somewhere. Their faith failed them for a while. Um I mean, uh you just even think um Samson's in there and you know, Abraham and Sarah. Most of the people that we have as role models, their faith has failed from time to time. And it's one of the things that I think we should never get complacent about that. Um just stay vigilant, stay vigilant, stay very connected with Christ, uh, communicating with him all the time. So as far as that goes, just yeah, if you pray for me, pray that my faith would not fail. And then I think as far as um as far as other things, next steps, so with the Women's Ministry Association in 2026, we'll be doing six to eight uh statewide conferences for women's ministry leaders, and then in 2027, probably 15 to 20, and again in 2028. And then after we launch those, and that baton gets passed every year. So let's say, for example, in my home state, we did one here already in uh uh St. Petersburg, Florida. So next year it's gonna be in a different city. So we're gonna pass that baton around the state so that some years you might have to drive aways, some years it's gonna be closer to you. Um, and so as I as I launch all of these myself, so I'll go launch them all myself, and then I'll pass the baton to um someone who's there uh to take the next year on. And then after I think three years, then we'll start the national conference, which will be more like a three-day uh conference, one place in the nation, moving again from place to place, but um, a national conference that will allow them three days breakout sessions, also uh resources uh providers can be there. So I think it's gonna, you know, it's a lot. It's a lot to think about and to plan and to, but I'm super excited about it. I'm totally, God has totally equipped me to do this particular thing. I have I have first of all all the connections, but I also have, you know, um done a lot of these before in every way imaginable. So I I just know that God has been preparing me for this next step. And I um so yeah, if you're if any of that sounds interesting to you, just just find me online and we'll go forward.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

Absolutely. And is this is this gonna be just US for now to start? It is it is gonna be US for now. Right.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Yeah. There it probably will go global, um, just because I've helped start so many around the world, but definitely these next three to four years are gonna be 100% focused um nationally. And even I've I've traveled all over the world a lot to do um programs, especially women's ministry conferences and things like that. And I I just have to pull all of that in next right now to focus on uh launching this. And I think that's another kind of segue. We've been talking about this the whole time, but there are seasons. There are seasons. And when you add a new something, usually you have to lay down something else in order to add it, right? So so right now I'm I'm kind of laying down the international travel, and a lot of my own speaking uh will take a back seat to these conferences for the next few years.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

Okay, okay. And it's it's almost like I kind of attribute, you know, you have something new, it's like having a new baby. Exactly. It's exactly you have to really care for your baby. You need to feed the baby, you need you're not really gonna leave your well, if you're breastfeeding, you don't really leave your baby at home. Right, right. Most people don't, at least. Um and it needs it needs more care, right?

SPEAKER_01 41:00

I I remember, I remember before I was pregnant with my first child, and um I was sitting with a friend who had just had a baby, and she was nursing her baby, and we were just having a little chat. And I was like weeks from having this new baby, and I'm you can tell from just talking to me, I'm just this go-getter. I just am always doing a hundred things at once. And um, that's how my life was then too. And I just said innocently, I just said, So, like, if you were to how long every day do you think you sit there to nurse? It was hope. How long? It's so fun. Her name was Hope, and that's that's your program. So that's fun. But um, anyway, how long, how long, you know, every day do you do you does it take you to nurse? And so she just calculated in her head. She goes, about eight hours. And I'm like, eight hours to feed the baby? I remember I was just so shocked. But it was such helpful, it was such a helpful input to prepare me for what was coming because I had no clue. I mean, I think in my mind it was 15 minutes of time, you know.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

So we gotta speed this up, baby. Yeah, um, so being that you have, you know, you do, you have a lot of amazing things going, um, which I love, multi-passionate. How do you rest? Oh, I'm a big restor.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

I'm such a big restor. So, first of all, um, I starting, this has been a couple decades now ago, that God really prompted me that I had to take a sun, a Sabbath, a Sunday rest. I take it Sunday, other people take it Saturday, whatever. I take it mine on Sunday, but um just a once-a-week um really a rest day. And I'll tell you, there it when it says in Hebrews, you have to strive to rest. Yes, that is the truth. You actually have to work very hard to carve out a day of rest. Uh, but that's one of the things that I hold very sacred is um I I will if I can't do it on the weekend, uh like if I'm traveling or you know, have other events, then I just I block a day in the week. And so that's one of the main ways. I also um every week I take a two to four hour mini retreat with God where I leave all electronics behind. I go somewhere other than my house or my office. I go somewhere that's uh I'm not usually at. I just sit with a journal and I just chat with Jesus, listen, just be still. And that's been really life-changing for me to have that specific time carved out to just listen. And that's been just a huge game changer. And then I think beyond that, um having a practice at night to um in the evenings to get off of the uh tech uh early enough. Uh, so we um we oftentimes will have a puzzle going um where um I maybe be listening to, if I'm not talking with somebody, I may be listening to a sermon or listening to scripture. Just I listen through the Bible a lot. Um just listening to something that's um drawing me closer to God, uh, giving more wisdom like that um in the evenings and then going to bed at a consistent time as much as possible. And I'm usually going to bed about nine o'clock because my days my day starts usually about four, uh, four or five in the morning. And so I'm usually going to bed at nine. Uh, but having having having some routines in place, having rituals and routines, your body loves that. It it is uh we are a rhythmic machine, how God made us. You know, your heart beats so many times a minute, your eyes blink so many times a minute, you know. Uh we our bodies love rhythm and routines. And so as best as you can to apply some rhythms and routines into your life. And then, you know, other other than that, like I think one of the big ones for me is I often clearly not when I'm on a podcast like this, but if I'm just working projects at my desk, I have a 20-minute timer that goes off where I just check in with Jesus. If I've been sitting, I stand. If I've been standing, I sit. Um so good. Yeah, I think I think just to build in, build in some restful routines is the key. Things that you don't have to make a decision about. They're just habits. This is what you do. Like every Sunday morning we get up and go to church. We don't lay in bed and say, Should we go to church today? You know, we just have habits. Habits are a beautiful gift from God when they're directed in the right way.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

Yes. Wow, I love that. Especially the two-hour, two to four hour retreat. Um, where is your favorite place to go?

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Yeah, I am spoiled because I live in Florida. I was wondering if you're gonna go to my favorite place in the world. I'm guessing that you probably do. Yes, I live in the favorite place in the world. So, yes, I just I have so many places here and I really love water. I I love to be looking at the water. So oftentimes I'll be sitting along the water's edge somewhere. Um, there's a local college that has uh open it. I can go there. I sometimes we'll be at a restaurant. A lot of times our peer has just some Adirondack chairs sitting along the water. I'll go there. I'll just go sit on the edge of the water with my legs hanging off the you know, the seawall. Um I really love I love being near the water um as much as possible. And the key, the key main thing is, I think for me, is that it's a different location than what I'm usually in. Okay. And that I have no electronics. I've just got a journal in Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

Yeah, that's so beautiful. Well, I'm I'm kind of thinking that I need to come live there with right. Absolutely. So as I'm looking outside and it's snowing here in Miller.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Yes, no, I know. Yeah, and you know, the other place, the other place that I found um that works wherever you are, a lot of hotels have really beautiful lobbies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

And just to go sit in a hotel lobby.

Seasons, Focus, And Passing The Baton

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Oh, yeah, oh, I love embassy suites. Love, that's my favorite hotel. Uh, yeah, but even even like um some libraries have spaces. I've done it in libraries. Um definitely um uh what was I thinking? Colleges also, if if they allow people in, colleges have a lot of beautiful quiet spaces.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

I love this. And you guys, if you're listening, you heard what Marnie is involved in. She she has a lot of plates that are, you know, she's serving a lot of people. Well, it's like you're serving a lot of people, and a lot of them are so blessed by what you're doing. And yet you don't have to sacrifice this.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

And I think that that's the that's the lie. The lie is that I'm gonna have to give up everything to do what Jesus is calling me to do. And in a way, okay, yes, that's true. You give up, you give up some stuff, but what you realize after you say yes, you realize, oh, this is what I wanted all along. It's so funny because I always say the pain, the greatest pain is between the ask and the yes. Once I say yes, well, then God's God's power is released on my behalf, and I'm not doing it alone, and it isn't as scary or as hard as I thought it would be. And it isn't um death to everything I ever wanted. No, it's stepping into the fullness of the life I was created to long for, and I just didn't even know it.

SPEAKER_00 48:23

Yeah, it's like life and life abundance, right? That's it.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

That's just it.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

It's it's coming on to that right side of John 1010. I always say, like, we want to stay off the left side of thief came to steal, kill, and destroy. Let's get on the other 10, the other side. Right. Absolutely. Life and life abundance. Gosh, you've you've given me so many ideas here, just even to go on a little mini retreat. I I there's a place locally, well, it's not super local, but um, like I said, I'm in Minnesota and Wisconsin. There's I'm just promoing here something that I didn't realize I was gonna promo, but it's called Wilderness Fellowship. And I go there like at least once, twice a year to this prayer cabin and just go away for like two days and just kind of hold myself up. You you it's not like a silent retreat and there's no food being served to you. You just literally go out in the woods by yourself. And it is so I have the most amazing encounters with the Lord, and I just want to be there all the time. But what you're sharing here, it doesn't, you don't have to always go away for a whole weekend. You can bring that encounter wherever you are, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:26

So if you know, most of us have some kind of a routine with Jesus in the mornings, you know, to start our days with our minds focused on him. That is a little teeny mini retreat. That's what that is. So just expand that as you are able. Just ask God, where can I expand this? Where can I have a little bit more time? Just you and I. And I'm telling you, girls, he is as lonely for you as you are for him.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

Oh, say that again.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

I'm like God is as lonely for you as you are for him. I uh one of the I can't remember her name now, she's from Africa, and she says it so beautifully. She says, the reason God is so passionate about minutes with you is because you're always sharing them with everybody else. And if you have children, you know exactly how that feels. Yeah, you long for just minutes with your child, but your child is so busy with school or sports or serving or their own families or whatever, and you long for those minutes. That's exactly how God feels toward us. Yes, yes, He just longs to be our priority as well.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

Yeah. And and wouldn't you say too, just kind of talking about seasons as well? Like there are going to be seasons in our life. Like I remember when my boys were younger and I was actually working a full-time job, and at one point started a business. So it was like there was just a lot happening, you know, going to sports. And you really have to be so intentional to tuck away, even if it's like five minutes of going in the bathroom and shutting the door and listening to worship music and just getting filled back up, right?

SPEAKER_01 51:03

I remember when my kids were little and I had my second child, I could not figure out when that time with God could be. There wasn't like I would get up earlier and she'd wake up. You know, it's like it's like this oh, it just wasn't working. And so I just decided at that point, what worked for me for many years was just the top 10. That's what I'd call it. And as soon as I saw 10 minutes that I had to use discretionary, make like maybe the kitchen was still a mess or something, but I I had 10 minutes that were really, I knew that the kids would be occupied or resting or whatever. And I could see that 10 minutes, I'd just say, you get the top 10, kind of like a tithe, you get the top 10. And then what I would find is that sometimes that would turn into two hours. Um, and as long as I was, I'm gonna address the pressure piece here because I think that the enemy uses pressure a lot to make us feel not enough, like that just won't work. It's not the right thing. Other people do it every morning at 6 30, whatever. I I think that pressure piece is from the enemy. If you're feeling pressure to spend time with God, that's probably not from God. God's is more like a come away with me whisper. He's like the romantic. He's like, he's like, Come here, I've got secrets for you. You know, yeah. So I think that that's what you want to go for is you want to go for that sense of, yeah, I don't see where to put this, I don't see how to fit this in, but I know I want it. I want it. And as you go at it like that, you'll find it. He will show you where it is.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Yes, I love that so much. Well, you have been an absolute joy today. I feel like there's there's maybe some more that you can share with us on another episode if you want. Sure. When you have more books, you have do you have another book coming out? I don't right now.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Nope.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

We're gonna focus on the Women's Ministry Association. Okay, so okay, I have to ask one more question. 14 books. Yeah.

Rest Rhythms And Mini Retreats

SPEAKER_01 52:59

What is your favorite book that you you know, everybody always says this, you know, the one I just did. Um, but I think that I think that for me, I I've said this many times, the flow through vessel book. If I were to say, what did I what which book do I want to be most remembered for? It's definitely the flow through vessel book because I think we miss this as a culture of Christians, we're not really getting this part. So I'm gonna use the analogy right now of a water bottle. Okay. So we are kind of created like a water bottle, and we've got the straw going out the top of the water bottle, and then we've got whatever is in the water bottle. And as people come through our lives, they're sucking on the straw of our life. And we know that this is true because we say things like they sucked me dry. I've got nothing left to give, I ran out of gas. You know, we say things like this, so we know it's true. Um, so in this bottle, in this in our lives, then we have space to put stuff, and we can put Jesus in there, or we can put whatever else, you know, self-help, or we can even put toxicity, we can just put amusement, we can put whatever we want in that cup of our lives, but we have to know that when people come through our lives, that's what they're gonna get. They're gonna get whatever we've been putting into the cup of our lives, and so as we become filled with Jesus, as we focus on, you know, Romans 8, the mind set on the spirit is life and peace. Um, as we do that, then when people come into our lives, they aren't getting the best Marnie can give. They're actually getting Jesus, they're getting hope, they're getting life, they're getting that fruit of the spirit. And that's how I want my life to be. And so the flow through vessel book is really the book that addresses how we have gotten into the habit of not filling ourselves with Christ, and how to break that habit and become a master flow-through vessel.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

I love, I love, I love, I love your I I think in pictures as you're talking. Yeah, I'm just seeing pictures and your analgies are amazing. They they stick, right? Analgies really stick for people to remember. Uh, and your songs, you you write songs. What's your favorite song?

SPEAKER_01 55:15

I do. Oh, wow, I have so many favorites. Um I think, I think right now, boy, I don't know. I think unredeemed is just goes, that's the one that's coming to my heart right now. It's so funny because we are redeemed, you know, redeemed, how I love to proclaim it, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. But then um, we're redeemed, but we're leaving some of Jesus' blood and some of the stripes unredeemed. Like uh God showed me like a coupon, like somebody offers you a coupon, and if you go redeem it, you get the benefit of that coupon. And if you don't, you don't get the benefit of it. And Jesus paid for complete freedom for all people, it's right there, but many people have not redeemed it, and even Christians are leaving some of the value of what he paid for unredeemed. And my line, Kristen, is I don't want one of those stripes to go unredeemed. Oh my god, that's my heart. So that's the one right now that's just in my head.

SPEAKER_00 56:16

Yeah, I love that title, and just I've never thought that before.

unknown 56:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:23

Have do you get these songs when you're doing your retreat time? Like when do these songs come to you? Just kind of curious.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

Um, yeah, so this is the early a miracle story, but um I have probably written over 50 songs uh over the course of my life. Some of them are on CCLI and churches use them around the world. Most of them know. And I have a YouTube channel, mentor Marnie, that you can go over there and see my song list there. Um, but um just I came, so I was closing out. I had said yes to God about this Women's Ministry Association thing in the spring, May of 2025. And then I spent the summer closing out. I went to all the retreats, all the conferences, spoke at all the conferences where I had been serving the speakers through the years, and it was kind of my goodbye tour for that particular thing. I'm still gonna do women's speakers.com, but I can only be in so many places at once. And if I'm gonna go up to 15 to 20 conferences a year with WMA, I can't also go to all the other conferences, right? So I did this summer tour, uh goodbye tour, which was kind of hard and kind of fun at the same time, but kind of hard. And so um I got home from the last conference. I it was a it was a Wednesday night at midnight. I get home and Thursday, it was such a good conference. I get home Thursday morning. I just wake up and there's a song in my heart. And so I just start writing this song down, and it was so specific. It was called Triune Thank You and How Father's Son and Spirit are Triune God. We have a spirit, soul, and body to give him a triune thank you. And that was the song, it just came in my head. So I wrote this song, and as I'm writing it, I was like, oh, it was for the director of that conference, and it was all stuff we had talked about, and it was so fun, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. So I spent that day uh putting the words all together. God just gave me the words, I got it all polished up and I put it through. So my uh producer in Nashville has gone to uh using AI for the sample, the sample um um what do you call it, sample tracks so people can hear it. And so AI comes up with the background orchestration and the singers. This is incredible. Used to take months and thousands of dollars to do this, and now you just do it in a couple of minutes. They're hours anyway. And so anyway, anyway, so by by Friday morning, I had this song all ready to send over to her and just share it with her as a thank you. Uh, but anyway, before I even got done with that one, another song came in my heart. And that's how the same day, and that's how it went for seven days. Songs came to me back to back. I wrote 20 songs in seven days, and they are all available for you to listen to. And some of them are absolutely, I'm still just hearing phraseologies in them that I'm like, listen to what you did there. Yeah, it's so fun. It is incredible, it's incredible. It's it's it's truly a miracle.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

Wow. So can people can you hear your music like on Spotify and Apple?

SPEAKER_01 59:21

No, just uh just on YouTube on my YouTube channel, just go on the playlist of original worship songs and it's right there. So it's mentor Marnie M-A-R-N-I-E at YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 59:32

Yeah, I'll I'll link that in the show notes too, for sure. Because I I'm a huge music junkie. So yeah. Um well, this has been really fun. I I would love for you today, if you could, um, as we talked about before we got started, I I do this for the one and beyond, of course. But if you could just get in mind the one who's listening in today, and do you have any uh like words of encouragement or or wisdom that you'd want to speak over them today? And then would you pray us out?

Music, Songs, And Creative Flow

SPEAKER_01 59:57

Absolutely. So I think I'm gonna go back to one of your theme verses, Romans 15, 13, um, which is that we get to abound in hope. Yeah, and I I remember I was in Iowa at a conference, I remember where I was standing, and it was God just revealed to me that I had been placing my hope in so many things in people, in projects, in ideas, in you know, just whatever. And he showed me in that moment that the weight of my hope was too heavy for any of the things I was hoping in. And I needed to transfer all of my hope onto him alone, to hope in Christ alone. So, God, we just come to you right now, and um, we just know that there is a listener right now who's feeling hopeless, feeling discouraged, disappointed, disrespected, misunderstood, or even betrayed by you. And God, uh, she's not alone. He's not alone. People in the Bible said, You tricked me. Because we do feel that sometimes. God, you are always faithful. And sometimes the things that are happening to us are happening to us because they are for us from your perspective. We are gonna come out stronger, just like that verse in Isaiah. I am going to strengthen you to difficulties. And the way that you do that is by walking us through boot camps that make us tougher. And so, God, we just say yes. We just say yes. We want to trust you more, we get to trust you more. We get to walk in the fruit of the spirit and love, joy, and peace and patience, and kindness, and goodness, and gentleness and self-control. We get to experience hope always because while our circumstances change, you never do. So thank you for this podcast. Thank you for Kristen. Thank you for this moment. God, I just pray that as we walk away from here, the sweet savor of this time together will go with us and that we will remember that we are never alone and that you have specific works that you created us to do, that we will say yes every single time. In Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:20

Amen. Thank you. Well, how can listeners reach you? How can they contact you? What would be the best way for them to find you?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

Well, my name is Marnie, which is a great unique name, right? M-A-R-N-I-E. And that's my website, Marnie.com. If you go there, you can get to everything that we've talked about and more.

unknown 1:02:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Awesome. Well, definitely reach out to her, check out her website. I will be sure to link that in the show notes. And I'm going to close with the anchoring verse, which she mentioned. May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace and believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope. And that's Romans 15, 13. So thank you, Marnie, for coming on today. I will be back with another episode next week. Thanks, listeners.