She Left New Age Fame, Fortune, and Followers for Jesus with Doreen Virtue

Doreen Virtue shares her powerful testimony of leaving the New Age movement after years of global influence and discovering the truth of Jesus Christ through Scripture and repentance. In this eye-opening conversation, we discuss discernment, spiritual warfare, deception in wellness culture, and how Jesus transformed her life through conviction, mercy, and truth. Doreen opens up about the backlash she faced after publicly renouncing her former teachings, the dangers of counterfeit spirituality, and how Christians can pursue healing and wellness without drifting from biblical foundations. This episode dives into faith, repentance, biblical truth, deception, and the importance of testing every spirit through God’s Word.

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Website - servantsofgrace.org/doreen-virtue

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From Counterfeit to Christ

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Intro

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Welcome to the Hope Unlock Podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Kurtz, and I'm also the founder of New Wings Coaching. I help and empower wild-hearted and adventurous women of faith feeling caged and stuck, unlock their true purpose and potential, break free from limitations, and thrive with confidence, courage, and hope. If you're curious to learn more about coaching with me, head to NewWingsCoaching.net and be sure to explore the show notes for ways to connect with me further. Get ready to dive in as we uncover empowering keys and insights in this episode. So tune in and let's unlock hope together. Welcome to the Hope Unlocked podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy IV of hope for your soul. Please help me welcome Doreen Virtue to the show. So excited to have her here today. We had a moment to chat before we hit record, and she's a new connection. And I'm like, Lord, just another beautiful sister in Christ who's here to share her story. And I think we might have some gold nuggets that are going to be coming your way today. So, Doreen, um, before we get into that, would you just share a little bit about yourself?

Doreen’s Christian Science Upbringing

Fame And The New Age Circuit

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Yes. Hello, Kristen. It's so great to be with you. Um, my name's Doreen, and my background is crazy. It's really, it's a testimony, it's a testimony to God's extreme grace, amazing grace and mercy. Because here I just in it, I'm going to give you cliff notes. I was born and raised a fifth generation Christian scientist, which is not Scientology, but it's the one that has the reading room in every downtown. And it's the one that doesn't go to doctors. And so it's kind of faith healing, but it's got a false gospel, absolutely false gospel, and a false Jesus. And it's not Christian, but it calls itself Christian science. It's not even scientific. Um, that's how I was born and raised. We went to church twice a week. I was given my own King James Bible when I was a tiny kid, because we were King James only. We read the Bible daily, um, out of context, cherry-picking it, never, never focusing on the Genesis 3, the fall or the crucifixion. It was only on the supposed positive verses, knocking, it shall be open, asking it shall be given, those kind of verses. And and that's how I grew up with um testimony meetings. That's what Christian scientists have on Wednesday nights, where people would stand up and say they're healing. And my mom and dad wouldn't take us to doctors. They just, I shouldn't say just, they prayed over us and they said Bible verses over us, and we had healings. But again, it was the belief in Christian science was that Jesus, this is so hard to say, Kristen, but that's this is how I was raised. That Jesus is a mortal man, just like you and me, who simply was more enlightened than us and came to only show us how to do what he did. Now he is our role model, he was fully human, fully man and fully God, though. That's the part they missed that he's fully God. And so I was raised that way. And then in the 19, that was I was born in 1958 and raised that way for 33 years in the what they call new thought movement of Christian science. And then in the 90s, um, after I graduated from college, I got a BA and an MA in psychology and from Chapman University, became a women's issues psychotherapist specializing in women's addictions and eating disorders. And I started to write books about it. And from there, I started to go on all the talk shows, Oprah, CNN, Donahue, The View, all these different shows. And from that, I got picked to be a regular speaker on a mind-body-spirit touring company called Whole Life Expo, W-H-O-L-E, Whole Life Expo. And so we toured all throughout North America, uh, every other weekend to a convention center, huge events. And the other speakers were very engrossed in new age teachings. It was very different than I was raised. I was never raised with like psychics or crystals or yoga, but once I got in on the circuit, the speaking circuit, I started to learn from these other speakers about those things. And I actually ended up becoming a Reiki master myself and doing yoga every day and using crystals and tro cards and learned psychic readings. And I just, you know, because I was raised not with the real gospel and without biblical boundaries, um, I thought I was a Christian and I called myself an open-minded Christian. Ridiculous, you know, so open-minded that my brains fell out because I was a toward the end before God saved it saved me, I was a polytheist, as most new agers are, worshiping goddesses and such. And in fact, um, I came to Minneapolis, and this would have been about 2012, maybe, and gave gave a workshop on goddesses at some local convention center in Minneapolis. And two big, now I know the brothers in Christ, stormed into that room and they said, Halt in the name of Jesus. You know, they just the and and the guards escorted them out. But I know what they were doing now, and I'm uh if they are listening, I want to thank them because they were right to come in and stop that. But I kept so I, you know, as I the more I became on the new age trail, the more successful my work became because people want their itching ears tickled, and that's what I was doing unknowingly. I didn't know I was deceived, I didn't know I was passing along deception, but all of a sudden I was so my work was so popular, Kristen. It was published in 38 languages. I was being flown with my husband around the literally around the world, first class limos, penthouse suites, um, just lifestyle of the rock star. I was buying my clothes on, you know, Fifth Avenue and Herod's in London and Milan, Italy, and just always wearing these expensive designer clothes, making a ton of money, but spending more than I was making, and and also hanging out with A-list movie stars, rock stars, um, professional models, because Hollywood is very satanic and they're attracted to the new age. And yes, um, and so my life looked like man, she's got it all. But inside I was still seeking truth. I was, I knew I was empty, I was seeking peace. And I kept going to metaphysical books, old ones, because I was touring with the famous current new age teachers, and I could see their lives were just as much a mess as my own life.

SPEAKER_03 7:04

Wow.

Conviction On The Highway

Deuteronomy 18 And Surrender

SPEAKER_01 7:05

And so I didn't want to read the current New Age books because you know, why do I want to be a hot mess more than I am? Um, so I would go to the ancient, like turn of the century, 1800s, metaphysical books, just looking for peace. And I thought I could find it through um buying stuff or yoga classes or new age meditations where you empty your mind, supposedly, and and you know, I was a vegan, and I thought that would make me peaceful. And it was just these glimpses of euphoria, but never a true and lasting peace. And all this time I thought I was a Christian. My Bible was on my bookshelf the whole time, but I had neglected it over the years. And finally, um, to January 2015, I was driving down the highway uh where we lived in um Hawaii, and I was listening to Christian Satellite Network because I listened to Christian radio all the time. But the trouble was I was a universalist, and I also listened to Buddha radio and Hindu radio and shamanic. You know, I was listening to all these thinking they were saying the same things. But January 15th, 2015, Alistair Begg was on the radio, and he many people recognize him as a popular speaker and author. And he was talking about 2 Timothy 4 that in the end times people will want their itching ears tickled by false teachers. And then he described a false teacher, and it was like he was describing me. And and Kristen, it was probably the first time in my life where I ever experienced the Holy Spirit convicting me. I wasn't saved, but the Holy Spirit was pursuing me. Um, Jesus was pursuing me. And so I got home from that drive. I said to my husband, you know what? I think we need to start going to a real church. I I guess I knew enough that the church we were going to. Yeah, I guess I knew had enough discernment to recognize that. Yeah, so then we started going to different denominations. We didn't know what we were doing. And um, but while I while we were doing that, I was reading the whole Bible. Finally, I mean, you know, cherry picking the Bible is not reading the Bible, especially out of context. So I started in Genesis 1, and when I got to Deuteronomy 18, which is the section where God is speaking through Moses before the second generation crosses over the Jordan River into Canaan. And God is saying through Moses, don't be like the Canaanites, don't practice divination or fortune telling, don't practice mediumship necromancy, don't interpret signs and omens. And and I and I was the Holy Spirit was just all over me, like, you see, you're doing these things. And then the kicker where he broke my pride, which I needed, because I had been so prideful back then. Um, he's God says to Moses, Deuteronomy 18, 12, it says, anyone who practices these methods, that person is an abomination to God. And I mean, cue the music, dun, dun, dun, because I I knew it was true. Before then, I thought God was pleased with me because people told me my new age work helped them. They said my new age work comforted them, and they would call me an angel. They would say I was a goddess. And when I read in the in God's word there, that those practices made me a detestable abomination to God. And I knew that was true. I was beside myself with shock and angst and and crying and praying that God wouldn't send me or the people I'd unknowingly influenced to hell. And and I find that's when I surrendered to God and I said, you know what, I obviously don't know what I'm doing. And please, Lord, take over my life. Please, Jesus, be my Lord and Savior. And that was the date that was late 2017. Um, I don't know the exact date. Nine years ago, just nine years ago. Yeah, nine, nine years ago. Yeah, I wish I'd written down the date, but my life exploded that day. So I I think it was September, but you know, I can kind of track it was right around there because immediately um I immediately I left the new age. I didn't look back ever. I've never been like Lot's wife. I don't, I it immediately became poison to me. Um, and I've spent the last nine years, Kristen, warning, especially Christians, about new age influences that I can see in some churches. Sure, I can see some Christians not being aware of the ramifications of some of the new age influences. And I appreciate being able to come on your program because it it makes me sad. And and a lot of Christians have come to me and thanked me because they've said I had no idea that that was new age that I was doing.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Um, and so here we are. Yes, here you are. Thank you so much for your journey. I I can you share with us like how old you were when you just completely turned in the right direction.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Yeah, I was a senior citizen. I was saved at age 59. 59 years ago. Yeah, I'm 68 now.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

I love it. You know, it's interesting. I was talking to somebody earlier today. I was actually just on his podcast, and he was saved when he was 54. And I'm like, so you're the 50s. Um, I've got the 50s with me today. And you know, I just want to like just point that out. Like, it's never too late. Um, even like I I believe you're on an accelerated journey, right? And the fact that you're coming here to share the flip the script of what you, you know, there there's no shame in where you were and and where you came from. But sometimes we go through these things, and you know, part of this podcast is really to share, you know, people who've walked through the fire and come out with keys to help people so they don't have to walk through some of those fires. So um I have not had anybody on in my three years of doing this Hope and Logged podcast who is willing to share openly about all of this. And I would love for you to just start. Um, let's let's pull back the curtain on some of the things that you've seen in the church that um you know you you want to kind of bring light to. Thank you. I appreciate this opportunity. That is not okay.

Cleaning Up Old New Age Work

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Yeah, it's not okay. It's it's spiritually dangerous. So, first of all, um, I know I'm forgiven by Jesus shed blood and his finished work on the cross, but there's consequences of prior sins that I'm dealing with. So just kind of some housekeeping. When I was a new ager, I was in it for 26 years. I was one of the top-selling new age authors in the world. I'm not boasting, I'm horrified by that um because I had been so ambitious. And I really think the devil was my marketing agent in some ways because the amount of success I got in such a short time was it didn't, it just didn't, it was paranormal. And so I wrote a lot of books in the new age through my new age publisher, um, and they were licensed out. And so once I was saved, my journey began to try to undo all the mess I'd made. And the first thing was to warn people to not buy my or any other new age books. Um, new age books tend to say, you here's a spiritual shortcut. Just use these three easy methods, and then you can be enlightened or peaceful or find your soulmate or have abundance or find your life purpose. There are no three easy shortcuts, there's no formula or rituals. Um, that is what Satan said to Eve in the garden. That if she did God really say that, and then he said, You can be like God. And that's what the new age is doing over and over. But what's going on for me personally is that um a lot of my old work that I wrote, other people are selling used copies of it. And I can't control if someone wants to sell a used copy, other than going on social media every day and saying, please burn those books or you know, throw them away. Do not sell them or donate them. You don't want to pass the deception along. And then my former publisher who fired me right away when I became a Christian, um, they contacted me a couple of years ago and said that there's illegal bootleg printers of their whole catalog that keep coming up and selling their old work, including mine, on Timu and I think even Amazon, um, just kind of in janky websites and stuff. And so they said they've been suing these printers, but they go out of business and they come pop back up like whack-a-mole with a new name. And so so I just want to say that because I get accused a lot of times of being a hypocrite because my old work sold. But what I always say is if you know how to get it off the market, please tell me I'm all ears. I've written to all my foreign publishers, I've been talking about this for nine years almost daily, and still every day people who are in the new age come to me and they say, You're a Christian? Like, yeah, I've been talking about this for nine years on my Facebook page and and such and YouTube and all over.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Um, what an opportunity though. Like, as you've turned your life around, have you had conversations with any of these people who've oh yeah, yes.

When God Uses The Back Cover

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Let me tell you one Romans 8.28 story that just gives me chicken skin. Yeah, me too. So uh the the good part about all of this is my old products have my website address on the back of them. Even apparently the same website. Yeah, apparently the bootlegger, the bootlegger continued it. So, so last year, 2025, I was a speaker at the ARK encounter in Kentucky. Um, they had a women's conference called Answers in Genesis for Women. And I was one of the featured speakers. And after the speech, I was out meeting and greeting people, and these women came up to me, Kristen, and they they said, We are here because we bought your old new age products. We saw your website on the back of them. We went to your website, saw that you are renouncing your old work and that you're proclaiming the gospel, and God used that to bring us out of the new age into his kingdom. And we're here today, and we were hugging and crying because here we were at a woman's conference as sisters in Christ. Yes, because what and this is Genesis 50, 20, of course, what what Satan had meant for evil with those old products, God used for good, with my website being on the back of the products. So praise God for that. Yeah, it's so bad for real.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

Yes.

unknown 18:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Yeah, it's it's been quite a journey.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Yes. It's like I always tell people I had a Saul to Paul conversion, but thankfully I didn't kill anybody. So um that's a whole other story. But yeah, I mean, you've had this like radical conversion that people can't help but take notice.

Daily Hate And Holding The Line

SPEAKER_01 18:45

They have, yeah, and I get a lot of um, I'll just say it, I get a lot of hate every single day from new agers who don't understand it. And they have if if someone were to go on YouTube and type type in this sentence, you would, and the sentence is what happened to Doreen Virtue? You would see maybe a hundred videos from different people can with conjecture of why I'm a Christian now. And so some of the videos say that I went through MK Ultra government mind control, and that's why I'm a Christian. And some of some of them say it was because of menopause. But hello, I was 59 when I was saved. I was well past menopause. Some say it was my husband who did this, but he just recently he actually came out of the new age with me, but he wasn't saved until recently. So he didn't he didn't do it. Praise God he's saved. And right. Um, and they have all these theories, Kristen, about why I'm a Christian, because in the New Age, you're so spiritually blind. And the devil, it's like he Teflon coats people to the gospel. He tells you there's no such thing as sin or there's no such thing as the devil. There's no such and they and the new age teaches you to not trust the Bible because don't you know it has missing books and it's mistranslated, which of course it hasn't, but that's what they believe in the New Age. And um, so the new agers are really mad at me for being a uh a Christian now, but I get letters from people occasionally who say, I'm so sorry what I said about you on the internet. Really? Yeah, oh I yeah, I've had a few of those, and they say, Jesus called me too, and now I understand. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

So I'm I'm kind of curious, like if we go back to, you know, kind of the beginning of, you know, the beginning of your nine-year journey, you know, taking this um step into truth, uh, were you getting hate like this right away?

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Like right away. Right away, yeah. And the minute they, you know, the first the first wave of hate was, don't you know that Christianity is patriarchal? Because New Age is very, very, you know, they they talk about the divine feminine, they elevate women and and not men. And so the fact that Jesus, fully man, fully God, they don't even know he's fully God, but they he's a man, uh, that just upsets them to no end um in the new age. And then they they all have their war stories of being hurt at church, so a lot of church hurt things, and they turn into they turn to new age, and then the new age is actually an entry point into even darker things like Wicca and witchcraft and Satanism. And a lot of them go that route, searching for truth, searching for peace, and and being promised they can have power if they go that way. And this appetite for power among the women that I've met and in the new age is scary because God is is you know, God's power is what we need to lean on, not trying to build up our personal power, especially outside of his will, like they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Wow. So so you're a new believer. I mean, yeah, relatively I had a uh radical conversion myself and um in a different light, of course, but um you know, we all have different stories, literally, everybody, right? And it's just beautiful how um, you know, we can have that I don't even how to explain what I'm trying where I'm trying to go here, but when you're and I've seen, okay, so let's let's go here for a second. Um on social media, for example, we're seeing some really cool um testimonials of people that maybe are out in the forefront similar to you, who um have had a radical like conversion. And then because social media is the way that it is, everybody has an opinion, right? Yes. And like my heart for some of these people, and and this is maybe where I'm going here is like, how did you like your your husband just got saved recently? So did you have anybody in your corner? Were you kind of questioning like what is going on? All these people are like you gotta have tough skin.

Seminary And A Rebuilt Foundation

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Yeah it well it was the sweet what was that like for you? It was hard and it's it still is you know I don't I try not to take it personally but we're humans with yeah you know with feelings and I try my best to guard my heart but people attack me every day and call me names and accuse me and slander me every single day since I've been saved. Every day yeah every single day. You're seeing it yeah on my Facebook page yeah yeah and so I you know I pray for them and I share the gospel as much as I can occasionally if they're blasphemy Jesus I'll block them just because I can't handle that. You know while I'm praying for them I'm blocking them because I just don't I don't want them falsely teaching on my page. Up and out but yeah in the beginning I was I have I was in nowhere land because I didn't yet have a solid church to have a be a to be under a solid pastor. I knew a couple of people who'd been saved out of the new age who came alongside me to mentor me but their theology was kind of wonky to to be honest. They hadn't read the Bible either and you know that was getting emotional support but not theological support. So what I did was the year after I was well was it year yeah the year after I was saved I I enrolled in seminary and enrolled full time in a master's program. And that is because I had I knew the Bible enough to be dumb um and I needed to learn how to rightly divide God's word. So I thought well I'm just going to go to seminary and I was like the oldest person there and one of the few women but the the the guys who were going with me they were so kind you know I think I was like the house mama or something. And I ended up getting a master's degree in biblical and theological studies in 2021 I graduated with highest honors which is all glory to it's all glory to God because if I'd gone to seminary which I wouldn't have before I was saved I would have flunked out the first day you know it just shows that God can transform you and give you renew your mind and give you a new life a new heart um and a biblical worldview. It was every time I would get an A on a paper in seminary Kristen it was absolute glory to God like look at what you did look at Father look at what you did. Oh my gosh congratulations like in in so many different ways like first of all like you're one of few women there you're older women you can't have a new age like what what were they thinking did they know your testimonies oh yeah yeah I had to give my testimony what did they say like what tell me more they well I they they were actually they embraced me I went to Western Seminary um in uh here in the Pacific Northwest and they really supported me in fact they they highlighted my testimony in their magazine and and yeah yeah they were just really kind and I do I do recommend them you have to be discerning there's a couple teachers that I wouldn't recommend but most most of the teachers there are super um you know they have the a pastoral heart plus theology knowledge and that was a good that was the combination I needed was to be discipled and then now you know we've been a Baptist we've been Baptists since um soon after I was saved and my husband recently saved um we thought he was he he was baptized at age 12 in a Methodist church um and back when the Methodist was much more conservative and he thought he was a Christian even though he had participated in new age um methods with me but he um it turned out he was a false convert he but it was so sad because he was an elder in our church uh a deacon he was he's gone to chaplaincy school he's a chaplain volunteer chaplain with the fire department a volunteer sheriff i mean pillar of the community where you'd walk around with him and everybody would say Michael Michael and such but he got into he got he fell the devil really got him he um got involved with an internet scam and just went down this really really dark road that affected our marriage for a while and it got so dark that he finally did hit rock bottom and finally met the rock he finally realized that oh I am a sinner in need of the savior and so he's absolutely saved and a transformed man and our marriage is solid praise God. But it was you know since since being a Christian I've gone through a lot of sorrow with my parents dying um I just you know I've lost people and pets even and um all this I wouldn't call it persecution persecution is to me what happens in Nigeria you know where they actually threaten your life um I I what I've been receiving is a mild form of persecution because they're they're not threatening me yet praise God but they they do call me names every day and slander me every day and and Jesus promised this would happen if if the world hates you it's because it hated me first and and I just lean on him.

Learning Trust And Spiritual Warfare

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Yeah yeah so uh you know you get done with your your schooling like what your your heart behind that was to really um learn more about the Bible and yeah yeah people people accuse me they're like oh you want to be a pastor and open your own church and I was like no no well I was gonna ask like through through all of this um you know I I find that you know whether it's the women I work with or people I've had on here like sometimes it takes us into later decades of of our years of living that we actually like discover what our true purpose is. I'm curious like what has he shown you um through this because you know your operating system has been upgraded.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Thank you. Yeah the main thing that I learned when my first task when I was first saved was Proverbs 3 verse 5 trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean not on your own understanding. I didn't know who the Lord was I didn't know how to trust him because I didn't know him. And that was my first order of business was learn who God is. And you can only learn that through prayer and Bible study. And so I started to read over and over and over again. I don't know how many times I've read the whole Bible but I just immerse myself saturate myself in God's word and listen I listen to audios every single night of the Bible. I read every single day and and so what I'm convinced is that women are probably more prone to being deceived than men are. When I look back on my new age days it was almost all women at my conferences and I'm talking thousands of people in conference halls and there might be a couple of husbands in there but it was 90% women my yoga classes I was in it was all women uh my Reiki classes was all women and I think there's a reason why the serpent went after the woman instead of the man in the garden. I just think because we have these gifts that God gave us like knowing how to communicate with our nonverbal babies I think that's a true gift that God gave us out of necessity that the devil tries to exploit and even do counterfeits and and you know this whole thing about women's intuition there's some truth to that but it can take the devil can exploit that and say well look you're a psychic and that's what happens to a lot of women is then they start to imagine they're getting messages when it's really um their imagination or wishful thinking most of the time or it could be spiritual warfare even where you're getting impulses and influences and thoughts that are I don't think I don't think Satan can read our mind um but I think that he can influence us definitely with spiritual warfare. So this what I do now is every week um I do an ad-free um video about learning God's attributes and we're going through 52 weeks of that on my YouTube channel and my Facebook page about learning learning who God is so you can trust him. Because I think my contention is if we really trusted God we would have no stress no worries at all because we we could be completely leaning on him. But of course I don't think that's humanly possible to 100% trust God but I know I know someone who does I know someone who trusts the Father completely and that's Jesus. And so it just being cloaked in Jesus abiding in him and that moment that we get the those impulsive thoughts and our thoughts start racing and we want to do something really quick that's often spiritual warfare influenced thoughts we have to slow down yes go in prayer to God um and just say Father if this is not your will if this is not pleasing you please reveal that to me please stop me.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Please close this door father yes yes and wouldn't you I was even thinking about this today um I told you before we got on here I was just in my garden like I feel like we're you know this back to the garden thing and I have a few things we wanted to talk about in relation to that but I I don't know about you but I'm just you know I'm I'm in my late 40s and I I feel like I was on this life track prior to being 40. Like it was like I turned 40 and it was like all right you're coming out of the wilderness of high speed high you know move go do all the things and what I'm like feeling right now and and and I don't know if you're feeling this too but just like God's just like slow down like find things to do that are just whether it's just sitting or reading or um you know I'm I'm finding myself disconnecting from anything that like there's like this high pace to it. Does that make sense?

How Women Enter The New Age

New Age Ideas Slipping Into Church

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Yeah completely like I my my spirit can't handle it yep yep yeah same here and again I think that a lot of times spiritual warfare comes in the form of Satan trying to get us to make impulsive decisions and take actions before checking in with God's will. So what is that like what does that look like for um you know some of these people who've you know come into the new age you said mostly women who you're seeing um are they younger are they is it all ranges of ages does have you have you noticed kind of a even in this day and age kind of yeah there's there's a younger generation right now yeah the younger generation is coming into it primarily through TikTok influencers that promise um you can have whatever you want magically if you just you know visualize and conjure and and do these spells and use these cards and they you know that's so yeah younger generation but here here's what's interesting to kind of answer your question is I'm an administrator in this private Facebook support group it's non-denominational but is absolutely gospel centered called from new age to Jesus and and I'm an administrator in there and we did a survey of the it's primarily women in there asking them how did you get in the new age in the first place and they said the number one way was they were they were desperate for health and they were so desperate for health and and a lot of us I don't know about you and and I don't want to be too controversial here but I have um I'm weary fine here well I'm I'm wary of big pharma I'm wary of Western medicine because my parents went through that circus and you know I saw things that I just anyway so a lot of women because they're wary they don't trust doctor regular doctors they don't trust pharmacy they go to the other extreme and they go and they think that they're going to something natural but it's actually a paranormal activity. And the number one I would say to watch out for is Reiki. As a former Reiki master I can speak with this with some semblance of authority that as a Christian woman I would have nothing to do with Reiki or any form of so-called energy healing. Again it's not like the anointing that we read about in the Bible you know where the elders have the oil and they're holding you it's not like that Reiki was invented by a Japanese man who was a Buddhist in the 1800s who had this vision of what he called medicine Buddha giving him these symbols. And for Reiki masters like I was you have to be attuned to these symbols which is a weird pagan process. And then there's this palpable vibration of energy that happens I mean you actually can feel it and there's medical journals that tout its efficacy and so Reiki seems to work but it is a doorway into the dark rabbit hole of New Age because half the time what happens is someone goes to a Reiki master or they go to someone like a chiropractor who uses Reiki or a massage therapist who uses Reiki is then that person will recommend something else New Age. You know, here go to my psychic here's their card or here read this channeled book by the latest New Age author here just read this or come to come to this seminar and and I'll help you to connect with your deceased loved one. You know the the once you get in the rabbit hole you keep getting recommendations and you you don't even realize because it's like the frog boiling slowly process and and before you know it um you're just down I mean let me tell you this this is kind of a scary true story. I met a woman and she's a Christian now praise God but she was just a regular like housewife not that you know I mean just like she was at home and she was having health issues and her neighbor well-meaning neighbor came over and gave her a new age meditation CD this was back in the days of CDs and she listened to that C D and then her appetite was grown to get more and more and more and she got super involved with New Age and then that wasn't enough so she got involved with witchcraft and that wasn't enough for her. So she got involved with Satanism and by the time God saved her she was literally called a satanic high priestess in in a in whatever their coven kind of thing is Satanism. Yeah so do not open the doorway sisters who are listening to this and if if brothers if you're listening please be a watchman on the wall for your wives your daughters your cousins your aunts your mother do not allow them if you can pray for them share the gospel which is the power of God for salvation don't allow that door to demonic deception of new age to even open for a second because it is like you know the proverbial roach motel they go in and you the only way you get out is by God's grace and mercy man. It is a trap wow well could you could you just touch on maybe like some of the things that you're seeing even in the church right now that people are just listening and they're like well you guys mentioned that earlier and they're probably still like well tell us a little bit more of like what you are seeing crossing over maybe people are just not aware of um yeah and and I apologize in advance if I offend anybody it's it's not my my goal to offend anybody um but to just kind of shine light on some of these things. First of all your journey right yeah yeah I'm I'm here with with a sincere heart to warn authority yeah to warn my family. And so the two parts about new age to watch out for are sorcery and idolatry. So the Bible you know condemns sorcery and idolatry from from literally from the new the old testament to right up until Revelation 21 and 22 to the point where it says that those who engage who are idolaters or sorcerers will not go to the new heaven they will go to the lake of fire. So this is this could be a salvific issue it's that serious and so sorcery means conjuring it's it literally means trying to make something happen in your own will apart from God's will. And so things that can seem innocent like vision boards and people push back on this I don't you can have goals you can put a picture of a pretty house on your refrigerator or you know your ideal weight on your refrigerator you can have goals but vision boards I when they are in the new age are people trying to make these things happen. They are literally conjuring they're taught that if they visualize these things on the vision board long enough that it will happen. And sometimes they do happen they happened for me in the new age but they're they are like the sorcerers in Pharaoh's court where it's it's a mimic it's a counterfeit of God's miracles. Anytime we think we're making something happen that should be a red flag that's sorcery. We need to stop we need to pray like our Lord taught us give us give me today our give us today our daily bread pray for provision and then trust that God sees so much bigger picture than we possibly can of how that would prov unfold and the timing and the way instead of trying to force things to happen which is sorcery and that includes you know people trying to they they literally it's popular today and you can even see it in Target and Walmart for kids. It's so sad. You know spell kits how to make things happen. Yes yeah it's just it the devil isn't even trying to hide anymore he's in plain sight but we have to have ears to hear and eyes to see and stay far away from this it's not child's play. It can open dark doorways so so that's sorcery. So watch out for anything you're trying to do to make happen. And and especially those who feel like they've had prayers not answered it's hard for them. You know maybe they prayed that someone wouldn't die and they died and they don't trust God anymore or they're desperate for healing or um provision and they're desperate and they're like I'm going to take matters into my own hands. Beware of that that is such a trap and then idolatry is the second part of this and I'll give some specifics idolatry is where you have anything or anyone on the throne of your heart instead of Jesus and you think that it or them can somehow save you. And of course Jesus is our savior not things or or people but in the church unfortunately we're seeing some confusion about God's creations being used as idols specifically first of all crystals God made crystals there's crystals in the Bible we can see them on the the high priest in the Old Testament on his you know his bib that he has um there's crystals in revelation so there's nothing wrong with crystals in themselves they're spiritually neutral but the idolatry is when you think the crystals are magical apart from God and that they will magically heal you magically bring your soulmate magically bring you money that's idolatry. Same with oils there's oils in the Old Testament and the new testament they're distilled they're not essential oils like we have now now I use essential oils for cleaning for fragrance some people use them medicinally like lavender to help your kids relax and fall asleep. Nothing wrong with that like crystals that's spiritually neutral it crystals and oils and spiritually neutral it's how you use them. So there's this company called Young Living and I I hope that's not offending you or anyone but I just have to give a heads up they have a button anything here. Okay there's a there's this bottle Young Living sells that is called abundance and the marketing that some of their affiliates use and they kind of nod to it with even Young Living is that you can put this oil into a diffuser and attract money. You can attract abundance yes and and you and it's the same as I wouldn't recommend this so I've done the research for you all is if you went on Etsy and you typed in abundance oils, you would see all the pentagrams and the witches spells come up and they say the same thing just use this oil you'll get money. Here's a money spell. So be careful of the idolatry of thinking that the oil is going to give you something even in the section in James about the elders putting their hands on you with oil it's they're not saying that the oil heals you it's part of the process you know it's God healing and according to his will his way um same with anointing oils over doorways like it's a magical thing you're not recreating the first Passover this way by putting oils over your door I mean it's it's that really is a form of um superstitious paganism in that way Jesus protects us we turn to him in prayer we don't need to do these rituals in order to in to get his his protection in the new age there was all these oil rituals all the time I mean we would spray oils to cast away negativity and and and increase the size of our chakras and such and and so I just want to warn sisters to have an honest discussion with the Holy Spirit if you're using oils and he will convince If there's idolatry there. And then of course we just repent and and regroup. The other thing that I see with in the the uh Christian church is just be careful uh to test everything against God's word. Um, for instance, there's people calling themselves prophets. I do believe in prophecy. I'm not a cessationist with that. I do believe that God can do anything. We see prophets in Revelation, but there's people who call themselves prophets who really remind me of the psychic work in the new age, because their their so-called prophecy is all ego-stroking people. You know, you and they'll even use uh they always use Esther. You're born for such a time as this, you're gonna be rich and famous, baby, you're gonna have it all, la la la la la. But you need to compare what did the biblical prophets say? They never said that. That was the false prophets we see in Jeremiah, isn't it? The the biblical prophets would always say, repent, come back to God's covenant. You know, they they would always say, walk the straight and narrow path. They would never say to people, oh man, you're gonna be rich and famous. So just be careful. If someone says God has a word for you, compare that to scripture, because it could be that that person wants to make you happy and they are trying to, like I used to do when I was a false teacher in the new age, I would try to give people hope, but it was false hope. Be just be careful.

SPEAKER_00 46:03

Yeah, yeah. Wow. I I mean, listeners, um, I'm I'm curious, you know, is what are you learning today? What are you taking away so far? I'm I'm learning a lot. I I mean, I haven't delved into that realm before, thankfully. Um, but I did, you know, I got saved from addiction. So I I was in a a lot of dark places, and thankfully, um, you know, maybe there were some little things here and there that, you know, like growing up, that was a Ouija board that I did, and I feel like I had to repent from that. You know, there's a lot of things that you just unless you know, you don't know. So I feel like you're really bringing a lot of revelation to people here today that um, you know, what seems normal isn't actually normal.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

Yeah. Another example of what seems normal. And praise God for saving you out of addiction, sister. Praise God.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

Like I shouldn't be sitting here with you today. So hell yeah, thank you.

Yoga And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_01 46:59

Right. Yeah, yeah. We're sisters by God's grace. Yeah, it's amazing. Um, another thing that seems normal is horoscopes. In if I don't know if there's even paper magazines still available. I actually did that before I got saved. Yep. Oh, yeah, yeah, it seems normal. I forgot about that. In a lot of newspapers, the back of women's magazines. Um, it it just seems so normal. You know, what's your sign? And I'm just gonna glance at my horoscope. What harm could it do? It's just entertainment. No, it's not just entertainment. That could be a doorway opening to trusting in God's creation, the stars and the planets, instead of trusting the creator. Romans 125 warns us strictly about that, to not serve the creation, but to serve the creator. Um, and so be careful about astrological charts. Um, it, you know, a lot of times people want to argue with me, well, the magi were astrologers. Well, that's debatable. We know they're magicians, but even if they were astrologers, the Bible condemns astrology in Isaiah and in Daniel and never ever says that, you know, are you a Taurus? Are you a Virgo? God condemns all forms of divination and horoscopes in astrology are divination outside of his will.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

So stay away from it. Yeah, what you're saying. Yeah. Please, yes. Um, anything else that is coming up for you that you'd really want to just bring light to that others might not really be aware of? Are you sure you want to hear this? Yeah. I think could we talk? Would you talk about yoga? Yeah. Are you going there?

SPEAKER_01 48:35

Yes. Yeah, I was gonna go there, but I I get this is what I get the most pushback about. And I think a lot of- I would love for you too, because okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Well, even after I got saved, I was doing yoga and I had to repent from that as well.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Oh, okay. So you already know.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

Okay. I forgot about that. So now I'm like, wait a second, but I learned, I learned. I learned so. Would you share with us?

SPEAKER_01 48:56

Yes. Yoga is marketed as a as just stretching and a way to be healthy. Um, it's marketed even as so-called Christian yoga or holy yoga, praise yoga. I've done deep dives into a lot of these on my YouTube channel. Um, if people want to know more, but I'm gonna give the the cliff notes is that um I started doing yoga in the new age and did it almost daily for over 20 years. The day I was saved, I threw away my yoga mats, have not looked back. Wouldn't I still stretch daily, but I do Pilates.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

And I do non-yoga Pilates. I will not do any yoga poses. Why is that? Because ancient Hindu scripture, and they use the language called Sanskrit. Um, they they show in their ancient Hindu scriptures that every yoga pose is to glorify one of the 330 million Hindu deities or animals or nature. It's it's literally using your body to mimic those uh deities, those it's polytheism with your body when the first and second commandment commands us no other gods and no graven images, but you're making your body into a graven image when the Bible clearly says you were bought with a price, and we all know what the price is Jesus' blood, his life, his earthly life, he suffered on the cross for us. You were bought with a price, so glorify God with your body. The context of that verse is about sexual purity, but we can make an application that it involves all purity of the body. And when you use, when you do yoga, there's a reason why the instructor always comes over to correct your posture because it's not about safety, it's about there's precise moves that the Hindu scripture calls people to make, right? And the the word yoga in Sanskrit means yoke to Brahma, the creator lowercase g of Hinduism. So we're told to be equally yoked, and yoga right off the bat is unequally yoked. Secondly, we can take a look at a very common yoga pose um called the warrior pose. I'm sure you did that, Kristen, when you did yoga, right?

SPEAKER_00 51:12

I loved it because I feel like I am a warrior, but I was like a second.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Okay, yeah, that's that whole I am woman, you know, army roar, divine feminine, and all that. So you can hear the kind of the deception in that. Um, but if let's look at the Sanskrit name for warrior pose. It's Varabadrasana, one, two, and three. So asana means pose. You probably know that. And it's the pose of Varabadrasa. Who's that? That is a Hindu deity who actually was involved in a um, I don't want to say a word that's going to make this video not be able to be seeing or this audio. He he was involved in in unaliving someone.

SPEAKER_03 51:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:53

And um, and so when you do the warrior poses, you're acting out the unaliving scene of Varabadras from Hindu scripture. So, how is that glorifying our one true God? You know, when we're told with everything we do, whatever we eat and drink, glorify God, how is that glorifying God to act out an unaliving scene of a Hindu pagan deity? It's not, and yet the so-called holy yoga movement, the so-called Christian yoga movement, phrase movement of yoga, it involves warrior posts, it involves Varabhadrasana. And so these Christianized versions of it, they say, well, you know, it can be redeemed like the meat in 1 Corinthians 8 and 10. And actually, that's not true because yoga is similar to the pagan temples and the pagan prayers that were over the meat. Yoga is not the meat that was redeemed. You cannot redeem paganism. The whole Bible says that. We also can see that the um that Paul says in that same section that he'd never eat or drink anything that could cause a brother to stumble. And we have to really be aware of that, that if there's a professing Christian woman with a yoga mat under her arm, it could cause someone to stumble who thinks yoga is okay and who ends up in a yoga studio where there's polytheistic statues and and they're chanting the blasphemous almond namaste, which are I repent for even saying that on your podcast. Um, don't ever say that, sisters. Because it's it's those are blasphemous chants. And yoga is a pipeline. Um, I'm I mentioned the survey we did in the From New Age to Jesus group. Number one way women got into uh new age was through health concerns. And the second most common way was through yoga. And yeah, and there's a woman who's a Christian, you might want to interview her named Candy Gunther Brown. She's written a whole studious book about yoga, and she found in her studies that women initially got into yoga for stretching and it feels good, and she wants to tone her arms. Yeah, and that's what I did. Yeah, I thought but six months in, she checked back in with the same women and they were staying in it for spiritual reasons.

SPEAKER_03 54:07

Really?

SPEAKER_01 54:08

It is one of the only exercises that's spiritualized. You don't hear about so-called holy baseball or holy swimming or Christian, you know, these things. They have people say that they try to Christianize a pagan practice. And you mentioned a Ouija board earlier. So it'd be like taking a Ouija board and pasting Bible verses on it and saying, Well, I'm listening, I'm listening to worship music while I'm doing the Ouija board. So it's a Christian, it's a holy Ouija board. People would laugh, even New Agers would laugh at that. There's no such thing as a holy Christian Ouija board. But that's how that's how yoga is. It is a pipeline into new age deception, and it does not please God for us to use the bodies that He created that Jesus redeemed for glorifying a Hindu deity. And then women will argue with me because we women, I have to say it, we're pretty rebellious. If we've got an idol, we don't want to hear about it. If I've got an idol, do not be criticizing my idol. But so the women rebelliously say to me, Well, God knows my heart. And then, of course, I say, Yeah, he does. You should be scared by that. He knows you're rebelling right now, right? God knows the sword. Yeah. So, like I said, I know I'm offending people. I get so much pushback on yoga, probably more than anything. I have a free book on on Amazon Kindle on Kindle Unlimited called Yoga and Spiritual Warfare. Um, and you'll read the reviews, people are calling me racist for saying this, they because they don't understand the straight and narrow path that we can't be, we can't be involved with Hinduism and be a Christian at the same time. But it's it's free on Kindle Unlimited called Yoga and Spiritual Warfare. It goes through every argument people have about yoga and the facts of where it is in Hindu scripture, and they want to argue with me. Well, Hinduism is older than Christianity, so therefore I can do yoga. That doesn't even make sense, first of all. You could look at Abraham was saved out of paganism in Ur, but that doesn't because it's older than monotheism, you're going to go back to Ur, you know, like Abraham was and even and and historically, it's not older than Christianity, is the historical records. And then it just because something's old doesn't make it it valid or or a Christian from God. Right. Anyway, I could talk about this topic for an hour.

Crunchy Living Without New Age Traps

SPEAKER_00 56:29

You could thank you. Well, thank you for having this book available like for free, too. Yeah, yeah. It's a free resource. There's no excuses for not getting it if you don't have any money. Go grab it and go read it. Um I'm so thankful that I I I can't even remember if it was somebody who, you know, shared with me kind of the the deeper meaning behind it. And I was one who I was I was going and I'm like, I would go to the class and I would ignore. I feel like I had some wherewithal in my head when I was going there, but thankfully I never let it go down those deeper pathways or or you know, the enemy took me down those deeper pathways, but I ejected myself out like probably 10 years ago. And I went to like a gym and took their classes, but still I'm like, nope, nope, no more. I've seen a lot of arguments about it. So thank you for distilling this and having like you've been in it, you've been in this deeply. And I think you know, a lot of the people that are arguing it, thankfully, I would say some of them maybe have, and and maybe some of them haven't, and they just feel like, oh, well, I'll never, you know, encounter any anything like that, right? Would you say?

SPEAKER_01 57:47

Yeah, no, I I talk to rebellious women daily, and um they they do their best to try to get me to change my mind. And I I'm totally convicted. And if they're not, I pray that God will convict them and lead them out of yoga.

SPEAKER_00 58:03

Yeah. Well, this has been incredible. I would love for you to just share a little bit more. Remember, we were talking about Back to the Garden.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:10

Um, would you just share maybe what you had on your heart a little bit on that realm of what we were talking about before we got um started and hit record?

Read The Whole Bible Daily

SPEAKER_01 58:19

Oh, sure. Yeah. Um, well, I was having some hormonal issues that involved bloating and cortisol. And I prayed and prayed on it. And I really feel like the Lord led me to a lot of research about how um the the world that we live in has a lot of toxins that are not from God. Um, and that includes for me, it was synthetic fabrics. Um, I was wearing head-to-toe polyester, I mean, literally hats to socks and everything in between, a lot of polyester, um, which have a lot of chemicals in them. Um, they you cannot, your skin absorbs them, you can't breathe. And anyone who's interested, just just do there's so much research. Just Google um polyester and hormones and cortisol, and it's just uh it's mind-blowing and startling. So that started my journey of um taking back my health by getting rid of polyester, and that just immediately uh improved how I felt and the bloating went down. Um, and yeah, and that included my bed sheets and everything, just all complete polyester detox. What's interesting, Kristen, is that when I was in the new age, I actually had kind of been a very organic, crunchy person. And as I mentioned, I was a vegan and I would be wearing a lot of hemp fabrics and and silks and natural fabrics in the new age. And I'd kept, I'd kept a lot of that, those clothing. So I didn't have to do a whole redo on my wardrobe. And I had a lot of organic cottons and such. And but I found that if I needed something, I just go to the thrift store, and the thrift store is filled with things like stainless steel pots and pans, so you can get rid of your Teflon. And I got rid of all my silicon um spatulas and spoons and replace them with bamboo. And I I really can feel the difference, and it it's God's provisions. We the thing I want to warn everybody about is if you do, if you are on the crunchy path, like I am, like Kristen is, there's a lot of influencers out there who will give you great advice and information, but they'll they'll put some new age topics in there. They'll try to talk to you about it. Yeah, yeah, they'll try to talk to you about vibrations and this is high vibrating. This is low, that's a new age concept. New age is all about energies. Now, I think we can sense things again. I'm I think that's a God-given discernment we have, but I think that we have to watch out with the crunchy path to uh for new ageisms, um, new age meditation where you you're told to um just empty your mind or go within for answers. That's not biblical meditation. Biblical meditation is literally meditating on God's word, scripture. Um, and then watch out for idolatry because you can get obsessed with being crunchy and and that becomes an idol where your health becomes an idol. Um, or instead of thanking God because he gave us organic in the beginning, then a Garden of Eden didn't have pesticides. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

Isn't it funny? I I think it's just not it's funny, but not funny that we have to pay more for organic.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

Yes, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

Well, you're growing your own, which is the smartest thing to do. They're coming. I'm getting ready to plant because we're we're coming out of winter. Hallelujah. Yay, thank you, Lord. Yes. Well, anything else that you'd like to share with us today that's coming up for you? Um, I I love to ask at the end, like, is there any words of like any other words of you know, wisdom that you've come across along your path um or encouragement that you'd like to speak over somebody and then would you pray us out today?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:02

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, actually, it's interesting timing being on your program today because yesterday was my 68th birthday. And thank you. Yeah, and it was a beautiful day. Um, but in my 68 years, looking back, I don't I don't really believe in having regrets and I trust God's timing and provision. But that being said, if I could rewind my life somehow, I would have read the whole Bible much earlier instead of cherry-picking it. And anyone listening who's getting convicted to read the whole Bible, just do it. Um, I I actually, you know, as I as I said, I was raised with King James, and it was a challenging translation for me. I think it's a beautiful translation. I say the Lord's Prayer in King James and Psalm 23. But reading a good uh modern translation, that's fine if it gets you to read the whole Bible. I love the Warren Wearsby study Bible. He's he's a passed-on pastor, so there can't be any scandals with him because he's passed on. And he has the NKJV, the New King James Version, which is my favorite um translation. And and on every page there's a commentary. I like that. And just read the whole Bible, um, make it every day, Bible before breakfast, word before, word before world.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:16

I do that too, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:17

Do you and prayer before uh prayer before planning is the other one that I've recently that's a good one, yeah. Yeah, just just don't allow yourself to even check your email till you've read at least one chapter in the morning and it'll change your life.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

So good. Yes. What is your favorite? Um, I don't know if you can have a favorite, but what is your favorite um Bible verse? Do you have one?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Well, yeah, it's Proverbs 3, 5, and I've got that all over my house. Just trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean not on your own understanding. Um, it's just it's it reminds me over and over again, because I have control issues, I think a lot of us do, is is just reminding myself that my control was not good. It got me into a world of hurt and pain and darkness. And God's control is is it's all that is in truth, and it's all we want.

Where To Find Doreen’s Resources

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

So good. Well, you are just such a like precious one. I just love you. Like, I love you too, sis.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:16

Thank you. Yeah, anytime.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:18

I'm gonna close with the hope unlocked anchoring verse. So, this is the verse that I I actually, one of my favorites is May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope. And that's Romans 15, 13. So thank you so much for coming on today. And thank you for being such a brave voice who's uh setting so many free. I I think you get to heaven, you're gonna be like, wow, who who even knew? So continue speaking truth. And um, what is the best way for people to reach out to you if they um would like to contact you?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

Yeah, they can contact me through Instagram, um, my name Doreen Virtue on Instagram. And just I I have no staff because literally after leaving the new age, I'm broke financially. God provides every day, you know. I have my daily bread, but I don't have money. Yeah, exactly. I have no money for staff. So please um have grace if I don't write back right away. But I try to write everyone back who writes me on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:19

Oh, wonderful. And you have a YouTube channel, you said, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Yeah, yeah. And that's um Doreen and then underscore, you know, the the line underscore virtue.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:29

Okay, so on YouTube. I will be sure to add her contact information in the show notes. So please reach out and definitely pray over her too. I just feel like I'm just called to mention that. Um, continue praying over her and then those people that are reaching out. Um, I think there's gonna be a tidal wave of of revival coming through these people that even hear your voice through this, your YouTube, through um the Instagram, just even in your books that you wrote. Do you have and do you have any new books coming soon?

Closing Hope And Goodbye

SPEAKER_01 1:05:59

Yeah, yeah, I have I have yeah, I have a lot of um uh free resources on on Instagram, oh not Instagram, on um Amazon Kindle Unlimited. There's a there's probably 12 free books that people can get, no charge at all. I'm not trying to make money with uh sharing the gospel, but I've got a book called From Counterfeit to Christ about listing out what's new age and what's not um as a resource and it's free. Another book called Eve's Pagan Daughters about the qualities women have that the devil tries to exploit so that we can be guarded about against those. On again on um Kindle Unlimited. They're free.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:40

Okay. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Keep going. Just keep going. That's what I wanted to say over you. You're a beautiful sister in Christ. I'm so thankful that he connected us. So I will be back with another episode next week. Thank you, listeners. Bye.