The Soul Is Starving: Why Success, Comfort & Noise Never Satisfy with Cory Rosenke

In this episode of Hope Unlocked, Kristin Kurtz sits down with pastor, author, and speaker Cory Rosenke to explore quietness, spiritual formation, and living with an eternal perspective. Cory shares his journey from financial hardship and homelessness in Canada to ministry in Silicon Valley, revealing how books, faith, and unexpected life experiences shaped his calling. Together, they discuss spiritual disciplines, protecting peace in a noisy world, caring for the soul, and why eternity changes everything. Cory also shares insights from his book, A Song of Light and Fire: An Uncensored Journey Through Heaven and Hell, offering a powerful reminder that true hope is found beyond temporary circumstances.

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Email - coryrosenke@gmail.com

Website - www.coryrosenke.com & www.thriverelationship.com

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Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Welcome to the Hope Unlocked Podcast. I'm Kristen Kurtz, your host. I pray this episode is like a holy Ivy of hope for your soul. Please help me welcome Corey Rosenke to the show. So excited to have him here today. I just love getting to know people a little bit before we get started. And I know that he's going to bring so much goodness. And he's in Sunnyvale, where I grew up. I mean, let's just say huge connection. So, Corey, before we get into your story and and what the Lord has you working on now, would you just tell us a little bit about yourself?

Losing Home And Starting Over

unknown 1:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

First off, Kristen, thank you so much for having me on. It's exciting to be here and exciting to have that Sunnyvale connection.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

I know, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yeah. So I live in Sunnyvale now, but I'm originally from Canada. I moved here 10 years ago, but I grew up in the western portions of Canada. There's two provinces, two provinces to the west. One is called Alberta, and the other one is called British Columbia. And I was born in Alberta, and then at a young age, moved to British Columbia, around six years old, as I recall. And we kind of moved under uh strange circumstances. It was in the 80s, and uh there was a financial crisis, and my dad had he had a company, a construction company that went under. And so we'd we'd lost our home to the bank.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

And I remember I very distinctly remember at that young age, we packed everything we had into the old Thunderbird, my mom, dad, and my brother and sister and I.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

And it was a brown old Thunderbird, and we had a we were pulling a green kind of faded, worn-out tent trailer. And and I remember we pulled up to intersection, a four-way stop, and dad pulled over and he unhooked the tent trailer from the car. And I remember he said, We are gonna whip a Yui, we're just gonna spin a Yui in the middle of this intersection, and whichever way the noise, the nose of the car points, that's where we're going. And it it pointed west, and so we hooked back up the tent trailer and we drove to British Columbia.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

And we were we were homeless for a significant season, just uh living in the tent trailer and in a tent. Mom and dad would often stay in the tent trailer, and us kids would stay in tents outside and or in the warm weather, just sleep out under the under the stars. And so we moved to British Columbia, and you know, if if I was to give kind of a snapshot of our time there, we we experienced God's blessing, but at the same time, we were a very poor family. And I remember when I first started school there, we just we just camped down by a lake, and there was an old abandoned Bible camp. It was called Camp Galilee, and it was all just all the buildings had fallen down. Someone had told us we could we could camp out down there. So we were camped out by the lake, and there was a trail, it was about a mile, mile and a half to the town where the school was. And so I and we I was enrolled in school and just walked the trail to school and then back to our campsite, and that's the way we lived for a while. And then and then eventually dad got a little bit of a job working at a local mine as a carpenter, and so we moved into a house. But we were very poor, and dad was discouraged in a lot of ways. He had had a lot of dreams, and he felt that God had had let him down. And and I remember as a child, you know, our life was very turbulent. But one thing I'll say my parents did well was I kind of was a little bit protected from all that was happening in our lives at the time. Yeah, later on, I learned more about it. But at the time, at the time, I was they protected me well from it. And also, my mom always said that I was kind of or you know, her her cheerful spirit. And so I I was I was a happy boy and excited boy. And to me, living in a tent was was thrilling and exciting, and walking that like an adventure. Yeah, walking that trail to school was exciting. And but anyway, the you know, for through a comedy of errors, we ended up getting evicted from one place there and moving to another, and then we got evicted from that place and moved to a different part of British Columbia called the Koot the Okanagan, sorry, outside of a place called Kelowna. And we lived way up in the mountains there in a log cabin where we didn't have any power or running water, just a log cabin in the

Wilderness Childhood And Secret Reading

SPEAKER_00 5:05

wilderness. Us boys bathed in the creek and then hauled water for the girls to be able to you know heat and bathe inside the house. But that was my happy place, and I remember growing up there, and literally my life was spent wandering the mountains with my dog and a walking stick, and I fell in love with reading at a very young age. You know, at that time I was 10 and 11 and 13, kind of the years we were there, and I just devoured books. I fell in love with history to start with, Plutarch's lives. I fell in love with philosophy, and at that particular time I got into Plato and Aristotle and then psychology. And so at you know, at 12 and 13 years old, I'm I'm remembering all these these classics. Yeah, and and just that was kind of my way of escaping. You know, I I would I would wander the mountains, lean against a tree, and just be swept into a different world.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Wow. Now, can I ask you a quick question? Yeah, where did where did you get the books? Did you go to the library to get your book?

SPEAKER_00 6:07

That's a funny story. No, I didn't even know there was such a thing as a library at the time. So at the so there were in in that uh near our cabin up the mountain, there was a big there was a man who was trying to build a rest home. He was what do you what do you called it? And it was a uh kind of like a Christian retreat.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

And it was under construction. And to be honest, one of the reasons we got to stay in that cabin was because my dad was going to work on this project.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

And there was a whole lot of things happening in the background at the time that I wasn't part of, and it ended up not working out that way. And so we got ended up getting evicted from this place again. But for me, up by that construction site, there was an old fallen-down shed. And I specifically remember finding old books, burned books in that shed. And I would sift through that pile and find different things to read. And I remember I found up there I found uh Plato's The Laws, um, and and had read that. I I had read, I forget what the title of it was, a book by Freud, Partly Burned. I found the Iliad there, you know, by Homer and just kind of really began devouring these books, and it became something that was interesting to me. So I remember someone from church telling me, Oh, you you would you should get into C.S. Lewis. I think you'd like C.S. Lewis.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

And so I found myself a copy of Amere Christianity and and then the screw tape letters. And looking back now, they I think they meant for me to to read the Chronicles of Narnia. Because I was a child. But yeah, I didn't pick up on the clue. Yeah. So I was I was, you know, and I often will say that you know, that kind of that early hunger in me to know why my family was the way we were, why people was were the way they were, why we lived differently. I just had this hunger to understand the whys.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

And and really my I often will say my pursuit began kind of in in imagination and then in philosophy and then in psychology. And then ultimately C. S. Lewis, along with my Christian upbringing, kind of melded all those together. And and then C. S. Lewis introduced me to A. W. Tozer. Okay. And you know, this kind and ultimately formed my spiritual foundation.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Wow. Wow. Um that's beautiful. I I love how you, you know, you were almost wandering and you came across these treasures in a sense that were part of your foundation building.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

Yeah. Yeah, it's funny how I I look at it and you know, I know a lot of people who had tough upbringings who turned to different things to to find answers. I know I I have friends who turned to drugs or alcohol or rebellion or different ways. And you know, that just as easily could have been my road, but but I would say that that broken down shed in the woods with the burned books kind of started me on a different path.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

Wow. And so if I'm understanding, if I if I heard right, how many siblings did you have?

SPEAKER_00 9:26

I have two siblings. I have one brother and one sister. I'm the youngest of the three.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

Okay. Now, what was their like outlet? Because were they experiencing things at that time that they were like escape?

SPEAKER_00 9:39

It's very interesting how we responded very differently. And I won't I won't go into too much on their stories because that's their story, but I will say my my experience with their story was my my brother didn't stick around. He left, he left, in fact, I don't recall him a lot growing up. He he would go and stay with different friends and family members in in Alberta when we lived in British Columbia.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

And then he would come back, you know, for a season and then seemed to leave for a season. And my sister, I would say it might be fair to say, whereas I kind of responded by being swept away into other worlds and other ideas and new perspectives. I think maybe her world shrunk a bit and became a bit smaller, and which might be why she kind of she still lives close to home where we were, and I'm I'm in a different country doing a different thing. Um I would definitely say that those those younger years were a time of excitement. I look back at those with fondness and happiness, whereas my sister, I think, would look back with a completely different perspective. I think for her it was very tough. For example, we're living way up on this mountain, it was a three and a half mile walk down the mountain to catch the school bus. And then and then a three and a half mile walk back up the mountain to get home after the school bus dropped us off.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

And and for her, I remember she would walk the road and she was very unhappy. Whereas I had just shortcuts through the forest, and I would just run and leap and you know, like a typical boy sword fight with imaginative imaginative characters, and you know, it was it was just a magical world for me, whereas for her, it was just sweat and hillside.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

Okay. So this this really shaped you, uh, you know, almost I'm seeing kind of like this wild adventurist in a way who's willing to take risk, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah, absolutely. And it's kind of and then ultimately I left home just before I turned 15.

Leaving Home And Training Horses

SPEAKER_03 11:46

Oh, you did?

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Yeah, and uh I ended up working on a ranch, and at that particular ranch, the owner was big into horse training, and so I got into horse training, which is a passion, you know, which became a passion of mine. And and stu I haven't trained a horse in a long time, but it's you know it's still a part of my root identity, I would say. Um and and then logging, I was moved on logging, and then I and then I ended up moving out to a ranch in Saskatchewan, which was the third province in from the coast. So you know, the furthest west uh province is British Columbia and then Alberta and then Saskatchewan. And Saskatchewan is is kind of known as a flatland place with a lot of with grain fields, and so I wasn't quite in Saskatchewan, I was right close to the border of it though. So it was all flatland and and working for a lady there who had over a hundred horses, and and I just I just trained dawn till dusk. And actually it's interesting because the first time I almost moved to the States was this lady would the way she sold her horses was internationally via video. And so she she would video me training the horses and then send them all over the world to for sale. And uh it ended up selling me a little bit at the time too. So I had gotten job offers from England and Kentucky and California and in different places, and so as a young man, I actually almost took the job in Fresno, Fresno, California, and ended up not coming, but it was very, very close the first time.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

Okay, that's incredible. I would love to hear, I just have like a fascination of horses, and I would love to hear like what what did you learn most in in being in that position training horses like through that that time frame? How long were you doing that?

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Yeah, I I trained horses on and off for probably close to 20 years.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

And I would say one of the things you you learn by training horses is first off, you learn yourself, like like training anything. I'm sure I'm sure it's true uh true of dog trainers as well. You you learn yourself, you learn your own capacity for patience and generosity and gentleness. If you if there's a mean bone in you, training horses will bring it out. And so, you know, I I learned that I wanted to work with the animal and not against them, and I wanted to bond. And so with horses, I really found I was not a people person at the time. I was very much an introvert, reading was my thing, and and so horses became my you know the creatures with which I communicated most.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

But I think I learned from horses, I think I learned patience. I learned the fragility of life. I had some terrible experiences regarding horses that I had to put down, which was very emotional. I had near I had near-death experiences where I was crushed or kicked, and definitely learned, oh wow, my life could end today.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Um and that was a very you know sobering experience. Yeah, and I I learned that there is beauty, as I had kind of throughout my childhood, there is beauty and connectivity in the quietness.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

That's so good. I think can you say that again? Because I feel like somebody needs to hear that again.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Yeah, there is beauty and connectivity and quietness.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Yeah. What and what does that mean for you? Like, tell tell us a little bit more about that.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Well, I I think that the world around us is loud and it is distracting, and it is almost never distracting us with the truth. It is and it's almost never distracting us with real and meaningful connection. It's it's distracting us with entertainment rather than joy. It's you know distracting us with comfort rather than peace. And I think that quietness and even to a certain degree solitude, when viewed correctly, when embraced uh within moderation,

Finding God In Quietness And Writing

SPEAKER_00 15:59

it really offers us the opportunity to uh listen to the things we truly need to listen to, to to see the things we truly need to see. That the noise of the world doesn't allow us to.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

How how do you how do you go about this like tangibly?

SPEAKER_00 16:19

Today?

SPEAKER_03 16:20

Yeah, today.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Yeah, I would say today that is a that is a really good question. I would say well, I guess maybe I'd come at it from a different angle. You know, they say that psychologically we uh learn something by seeing it and hearing it. But if we read it, it's even a deeper level of learning because it requires a deeper cognitive and stillness engagement. You know, you have to quiet the rest of the world and you have to focus on the words on the pages. Yeah, and so learning and awareness can grow even deeper through reading. And then the there's a phase deeper than that, which is writing. Uh and I would say, and the reason it's deeper is because writing requires even deeper engagement with uh uh uh reasoning, uh, with uh curiosity, and it it forces you to wrestle. You don't just read a sentence, you have to wrestle with a sentence. And so to answer your question, I would say that the way that I have those moments of quietness in peace now is in writing, which to me isn't just a an action I'm doing, it is a deep form of meditation, even.

SPEAKER_03 17:50

So you're doing that like daily at this point?

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Oh yeah, definitely daily at this particular point. Yeah. And then also I'm, you know, I I like to I still like to walk. You know, I I was a mountain boy that just wandered the mountainsides, and I still like I still like to get out and and hear the hear the wind through the grasses and the leaves, and that's also a a great place for me to just kind of quiet down.

SPEAKER_03 18:12

Yeah, yeah, I agree. There's there's just so much noise and just having to be so discerning and and like the knowing the truth, right? Because ultimately we get the truth from the word. But this this world is so noisy and it it takes a lot of effort to quiet it. Right?

SPEAKER_00 18:32

It it takes intentionality, you know, you have you have to be intentional. If you if you're not intentional about making space for it, it it will rarely happen automatically. And in when it does, it almost always will happen in a point of anxiety or or stress. And so if you want to have that peaceful quiet, you need to pursue it.

SPEAKER_03 18:59

Yeah. So what does that look like for you? Like, do you start your day in kind of more of a quiet space? I feel like somebody might be wondering. Like, I'm I'm a wanderer myself. Somebody might be wondering, how does Corey do this?

SPEAKER_00 19:13

Yeah, I I have a very specific pattern that works for me. I've heard that people are some people are wired differently, and I I accept that claim, though I cannot understand it. But but hey, accepting things we don't understand is is a very important part of living a happy life.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

But for me, you know, waking up early is to me, the earlier early mornings are a magic hour. You know, they're they are when not only is the world literally quiet, you know, but I feel like my mind is at its most perceptive, and my imagination is at its sharpest. And so for me, yeah, getting up and whether it's a devotion in God's word and prayer, or whether it's it's sitting down, you know, with my laptop on my lap and just beginning to. I will admit I don't type a lot. My my form of writing is I lay back with my eyes closed and I press the speaker button on my MacBook Pro. You record yourself, yes, and I begin to talk and it types it out, right? And and then I look down and see how it typed it out wrong, and then I have to kind of fix things a little bit, but but I like to I like to speak to my computer and have it type it out for me. But that allows me just to close my eyes and to think and to envision. I'm a very descriptive writer, and I would say a large part of that comes because I'm I'm truly imagining with my eyes closed and just you know dialoguing to a certain degree with myself, and that then that becomes the story I write or the truth I'm expounding on or whatever it is I'm working on at that particular time.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

Okay. Now I would I would I'm just curious because I I I'm a verbal processor, so this really resonates with me. I do like writing in a journal sometimes because I find that like it's almost like the pen takes over, like Holy Spirit takes over as I'm writing. But there is something really powerful about not having to write in essence, just verbally process because it's you know, things are coming out quick, right? Yeah, and I tend to think in pictures. So is this something that you found out over time after trying different things, or did you just start doing this? Like one day and you're like, wow, this was really powerful.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Right. Well, I would say I kind of made a transition from you know, I'm a pastor now, and I became a pastor back in 2009.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

Yeah. And we'll have to ask you a little bit more about how you're sure.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

But I've always I always always loved God's word. I love study. As you know, I have my my kind of root core personality and foundation was. In the philosophy and psychology, and in you know wrestling with truth. And and then music. So there was uh I would say for a while, music was kind of my real outlet of of quietness

COVID Shift And Writing Daily

SPEAKER_00 22:12

and and speaking. And then I COVID kind of made a transition for me, and that COVID really gave me the opportunity to COVID is really when I began writing, like with like a fiend, like some like a hungry person that just you know just couldn't get enough of it. And so that was really kind of the the instigator that that got me into the actual into writing. I sorry, I forget your root question was that started me telling this story. But yeah, it was really COVID that kind of were that again that forced quietness to a certain degree, that forced isolation, where you know, a lot of people again look back at at those COVID years as being the worst. I look back at those COVID years as personally for both my own spiritual growth and and as a minister as being some of the most meaningful and profound and formative years.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

Wow. Well, we'll have to I want to hear more about that, but take us just take us back a little bit from from horse training to you said you're a pastor now. So what how did you get led into being a pastor?

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Yeah. So there was a lot of steps in between. So, like I said, I left home at a very young age and went out into the world, and I left home with a bit of a chip on the show on my shoulder. I I was going to I wasn't gonna be poor, I wasn't gonna be evicted, I was going to show the world I was something. That was, you know, that was the chip on my shoulder that I went out with. And so I went over that way and I got myself, you know, bogged down and uh you know some a lot of things I shouldn't have, and then really came back to the Lord seriously and fully

From Worship Leader To Pastor

SPEAKER_00 23:56

in my early 20s.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

And even that though, that was a fascinating thing where I remember sitting in the living room reading the Odyssey. I mean not the Odyssey, uh Homer's um the Iliad. Sorry. I was reading the Iliad for probably the sixth time, and I remember you know the Iliad starts off where it's describing what's happening, and it and it's talking about the the Greek gods. And you know, you you get kind of mired down in the story about some of the gods are on the Trojan side, some of the gods are on the Greek sides, and the gods are backstabbing each other, they're having affairs with each other, they're messing around, just like people. And I remember having a moment where I just kind of leaned up from the couch and I knew God isn't like this. And and even though I had raised you know, been raised in a Christian home, I'd wandered away, as as uh many people have, unfortunately. But I remember that question, God isn't like this. What's he like? And that really drove me to press in to find out.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

And and so I started going to a great Bible-believing church at the particular time. You know, through my childhood, I had I had been a musician, and so I went to one of those churches that really needed musicians. So I started playing guitar, and then they started getting me to lead worship before I was really qualified to lead worship. And I often say, when you put someone in a position they're not ready for, it either blows them up or it or it grows them up. And I was fortunate enough, yeah. I was fortunate enough that it grew me up. And I fell in love with Jesus, and and then you know, I was you know, I'd be leading worship, and then other churches wanted me to lead worship, you know, at their at their churches. So I began trap kind of being a traveling musician.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

And then I during that time I really fell in love with Jesus, and then suddenly they couldn't shut me up between songs. You know, I'd spend more time talking about Jesus between the songs and singing.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

And and so one I remember one pastor at one of the churches out as that just finally said, You might as well just preach. Oh and so he gave me the first opportunity to preach. And wow, that's when I that's when I knew what my calling was. That's when I knew that God had called me to declare his word, to encourage and rebuke and and give hope to his people. Yeah, and so you know, I had done many jobs at the time from a horse trainer to a logger to a carpenter and and a musician to now just knowing that God had called me to this particular task. And so I ended up taking a pastorate of a church, and I knew at the time that I remember very clearly knowing that pastoring was different than preaching, because you know, I had started being a bit of evangelist at the time. So rather than church just calling calling me to do music, I they called me in to preach. And so I I I traveled around and but I knew pastoring was different than preaching. And and so I remember when I took that my first pastorate, just praying to the Lord to give me a heart for your people, help me to fall in love with your people so I don't just have a duty to them, but that I fall in love with them. And you know, that is a prayer that he immediately answered supernaturally, and I remember immediately just loving the congregation and just praying for them and laying awake at night concerned for them. And the Lord just that was just his supernatural heart. And you know, ever since that time, that has been my prayer when I've gone into different situations. Lord, um help me not to just be doing a job or fulfilling a duty, um, or even just fulfilling a calling, but help me to love your people.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

So that is a prayer that I think like anybody could pray, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:56

It changes everything, right? It changes it changes everything from a duty to a passion and a joy. Yeah, you're right. It's it's it's something it's a prayer that a congregation member can pray for their own congregation. It's a prayer that a spouse can pray about their spouse when they're going through a heart and a sibling can pray about a sibling. Lord, help me to to love them.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:19

Like even just a prayer of like, help me to love almost the unlovable.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Yeah, yeah. Or workplace prayer. Yeah, go and go into your work, Lord. Help me not to just work here, but help me to love these people.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Yeah, and like, you know, kind of the the deeper question, what does that look like for me to love them?

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

So what did it look like for you to like shift in this? Like, how did you shift into like what does it look like to love?

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Well, I would say that what it looks like is to again not just to perform, but to care. I I remember there was a cowboy poet whose name was Baxter Black, and he he would joke because he used to be a veterinarian. And in his kind of his joking, and you know, he would say that people used to come to him all the time where they call him up and say, Oh, doc, you know, we just we just had a new you know batch of puppies. I know you're gonna want to see them. And and he would say his his joke was kind of, he said, you know, people think because you're a veteran that you care. It was kind of it was kind of his joke. And yeah, but you know, the to love someone is to is to actually care where where like I'll use it in the context of scripture where a command of scripture to for to love an enemy or to forgive a spouse or whatever it is, isn't isn't just a duty you have to perform, but it's a it's a need, it's a personal need that you seek to fulfill. And and it really does change it because and I also think we not only are called to love, but we have a desire to be loved. And we can tell when someone is is loving or is loving us or serving us from a place of duty as as opposed to a a point a place of love. And hey, some sometimes we have to start with duty and it grows, it grows into love, you know. But ultimately we want to get to that point where we are again, we're not just serving, we're we're loving, and we're not just fulfilling a duty or an obligation, but we are walking in a calling that we and that we enjoy and see the value of.

SPEAKER_03 30:31

Yes. Well, I I would love for how would how would you feel about going just a little pathway for just a moment? Because I often think about you know the verse where it says, you know, love your neighbor as yourself. And I think of you know, just our world right now, and and even in my own walk, and maybe for yourself too, where you've you've just either felt unlovable or you just really didn't even love your own self. Like you had a lot of, you know, talk to yourself that was just not loving. What would you say maybe about that verse? I don't I don't know. I've thought about it a lot, you know, and just in our world, it's like how you know you don't see a lot, there's so much hate, there's there's a lot of just unloving words being thrown around. How how would you speak to that? Love yourself, but you know, you've gotta love yourself first.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Yeah. I think I would I would tie that together with the scripture of do not think more highly of yourself than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment,

Loving Yourself Through God’s Forgiveness

SPEAKER_00 31:39

the scripture says. And I think loving yourself loving yourself is doing what is best for yourself and wanting what is best for yourself and believing what is possible for yourself. And so I think that begins not just by that begins with accepting the whole package of of who you are. And so it's not just ignoring uh my negativity uh the negative parts of me and kind of just a positive thinking about myself. No, it's acknowledging the truth about my failings, my depravity, whatever, you know, whatever you know, word fits the bill. But then realizing and remembering who I am, and that the scripture says, while we were still sinners, Christ loved us.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

And the truth of the matter is that's not just a past statement, it's a it's a present statement. Though I am a sinner, Christ Christ loves me.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

And so I think that if we're gonna love ourselves well, we have to look at the definer of love himself, which is God himself. And so God looks at us and he does not say, Corey, it was okay that you disobeyed me here, or Corey, it was okay that you made made that mistake there. But in instead, what he says is is he he points out what I've done, but then calls me deeper into his love and forgiveness. And so I would say that in loving myself, it means I'm going to do what is right for myself. And if that and sometimes loving myself is putting up a boundary for myself because I care. Sometimes, you know, sometimes loving myself is taking away a boundary that I've placed for myself, right? Um and it's it's being honest. Loving yourself starts with honesty, and that is the love for yourself that lasts is the love that doesn't shy away from your shortcomings, but confesses them and receives God's forgiveness. And as you receive God's forgiveness, it is then appropriate to be an imitator of God and forgive yourself.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Yeah, yes, yeah, yes, and then ultimately you can forgive others too.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Absolutely. And if you can't, exactly, if you if you can't forgive yourself, it makes it difficult to forgive others.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

Right, right, yes. Wow, well, I I would love to hear, I I want to go back a little bit to just your pastoring, and obviously you were called to preach too, because it sounds like you deliver words and it you're a man who has words, you read words, you write words. And I remember you said at one point that you were more extra or introverted, right? Did you ever find yourself like being challenged to go up on stage? I'm I'm just kind of curious about that part because you know I found a lot of people that I've talked to, I really believe that they have a strong calling to use their voices, but there's something that holds them back. So I was curious, what did you ever encounter any of that? Or no, not at all?

SPEAKER_00 35:02

Absolutely. I was I was a ner I was a nervous wreck. Um and I was a nervous wreck for many years uh about it until until I realized that I I was in preaching, I'm called to be his voice, not my own.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

And and that that kind of that made my study time much more serious. Because my study time was as much a personal surrendering time as it was a study time. Uh, but that made the actual preaching of it much more, much, much I don't want to say the word easier, but let's say simpler.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Easy and simple are not the same thing, right? Right.

unknown 35:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

And so, but I do remember the very first time that I preached. I remember sitting in the front row, just walking back and forth, a nervous wreck. And I remember the Lord telling me very clearly, I felt it very clearly, not to water down what he had called me to share. And so I felt my personal calling it was I felt really clearly that God has called me to, and I mean this both in not just in like firm sense or a corrective sense, but also in a positive and an encouraging sense as well. That I that it felt like God was calling me to fill a vacuum, to fill a void that wasn't there, that he was calling me to approach topics that weren't being approached, that he was calling me to declare truth that wasn't being declared.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

And that was a very difficult thing for me. And it still is, because I I've tend to be the kind of person that wants to be invisible, that you know, that wants to kind of I would prefer to watch things from a distance, but God has called me to be someone who who charges in, who is kind of the first into the fray to be a watch to be a watchman or runner, right?

SPEAKER_03 36:54

In a way, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Exactly. And so I you know, I look at myself and I would say that when I first started preaching, my preaching was probably a hammer. I was a I was a bit of a hammer. And I think a part of it was a big part of it was God's call, but another part of it was I think my nervousness to preach. You know, you know, sometimes you just kind of you just leap into something and you gotta swing hard because you just want to get it get it over with and leave, kind of thing. But you know, I'd say over the years, God has God has filled me with his confidence and taught and taught me just like horse training. Yeah, you know, preaching, maybe I'd say preaching is like horse training, and that it will reveal to you who you are. And and so, you know, it revealed in me a whole lot of things that needed to change. And I always, you know, I'll always say that whenever I preach, I'm always preaching first to myself. Whenever I'm writing, I'm always writing first for myself. And then as I come into alignment, you know, then communicating God's word becomes more not only more authoritative, but more tender, more relevant, more connective, more sincere.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

Okay. Well, thank you for sharing that. I I know like being vulnerable in that, you know, it's it it it helps other people who, you know, maybe are being called out from behind. I I would say, even for myself, I I feel like the Lord's called me to be like a stage hand at times to help the people that are called to go out and do the thing. But then he calls us out from behind the shadow almost a lot, especially for those of us who are like, we don't really want to like this isn't our favorite place to be. But I would love for you to share, because I'm just very curious, what is your favorite topic to approach that maybe is a little bit counterculture?

SPEAKER_00 38:42

Yeah. Well, I I yeah, I think my favorite call uh topic to approach that is countercultural is, and this is countercultural to be honest, not only outside the church, but in the church. You know, it's it's counter-church culture and it's counter-world culture. And that is I've had I have felt God has clearly called me to remind people or to inform them if they had didn't know to begin with who they are and what

You Are A Soul With Eternity

SPEAKER_00 39:09

they're doing here. You know, you and I had had a conversation once before in which we were I was talking about hope and peace in the world, and how if we don't remember who we are and what we are and why we are here, then we will always be hoping or searching, grasping for hope and peace like in the dark. And that is true in the world, and that is true in the church. And so, my my big passion, to be honest, is to remind people that more than a brain or a body, you are a soul. Yeah, you are a soul that will live eternally. And the whole reason that we are here, the whole reason why we live in this flesh for this short season of time is because God gives us the opportunity to speak into what our eternity will ultimately be. You know, in and to be the simpler vernacular in the you know, in the in Christian, we talk Christianity, we talk about heaven and we talk about hell, hell. And those are concepts I think that most Christians don't fully understand. They don't really know what hell is or what or why it's there, and they don't really understand what heaven is or why it's there. And it's because I believe that we've forgotten that we are eternal creatures. And so, as far as hope and peace are concerned, most of us, including Christians, that's why I'd say it's countercultural in the church itself.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

We live this life as if it's all there is. We live this life thinking that we need to be heard now, we need to fulfill our dreams now, we need to experience happiness and peace right now. Because we are living as if this is all there is, and so my passion for communicating to people is to help them redevelop an eternal perspective, because an eternal perspective changes everything. You know, it's the scripture says of Jesus, for the joy set before him, he endured the cross. Yes, it's it's saying the reason why he could experience uh suffering the way he did, with the calmness and the peace and the silence, even that he did, was because he was able to look at the joy that was coming. He was able to lift his eyes beyond this present world.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Right.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

And and all over the scripture, we are told to do that. We are told, don't set your mind on earthly things, but set your minds on heavenly things. You know, Paul clearly says, you know, these light and momentary troubles aren't worth comparing to the glory that's coming. But we don't, we as Christians, we very rarely actually live our lives that way. And so I have a passion to remind people you more than a brain or a body, you are a soul. C.S. Lewis said it year many years ago. He said, you are not uh a body with a soul, you are a soul with a body. It is the it is the core of who you are. And the reason why there is so much unhappiness in the world is because we are trying to satisfy and sustain an eternal soul with eternal cravings. We're trying to satisfy it with temporary solution and with mortal provisions, and it doesn't work, and so it's like it's like eating air. You just keep starving. And so we look at the world around us and we see the the pursuit for thousands of years has always been the same thing. Oh, if if I just get more money, I will have peace. Oh, if I just am able to secure my fortress a little bit more, I'll be able to sleep at night and have peace. Right? Oh, if I can just have more sex, I'll be happy. If you'll just give me more freedom, I'll finally find contentment. And then we keep getting more money and more security and more sex and more education and more vacation days and down all this all this list. And yet every statistic shows we are more unhappy than ever. We, our generation is the most prosperous generation in the history of the world, the history of the world. And every statistic shows that we are more unhappy than ever. And again, I believe that's because we have forgotten who and what we are. And so I will I will often say that modern society, both outside the church and inside the church, is that we are collecting for ourselves an ever-increasing pile of earthly pleasures, earthly treasures, earthly accompany accomplishments. And we are sitting on top this ever-increasing pile of earthly things and starving to death. Our souls are starving to death.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

And so that's my passion.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

It is to communicate to people. I want you to find hope. I want you to experience peace, but you won't find it if you keep looking for it in all the same failing places. And so my passion is just to open people's eyes once again to God's word, which clearly shows the solution. And what it does not promise is that you will live in perfect peace and happiness now.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Right.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

Though it does show us how to walk that road more and more. But what it does promise us is that there is an eternal joy coming. And the same as for as Jesus, for the joy set before him, he endured the cross. And so I really believe that developing, once again, an eternal perspective changes everything because number one, it helps us experience, it helps us endure suffering with joy. But then the scripture also says, because we know the fear of the Lord, we persuade others. What does that mean? It means even our our the passion for our witness, for being lights in the world, comes from realizing that you know, one day everyone will stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Right. And that that will be for some, that will be the most glorious day for the beginning of the rest of their eternity. For others, that will be a terrible and dark day. But because we again, it's looking towards the future, having an eternal perspective, because we know that eternity is coming, that's what gives us the passion and the love and the empathy to witness to and encourage and serve others. So it's not the eternal perspective, doesn't just help us endure our own personal hardship, but it helps us shine the light. It helps us. And then the scripture goes on to say, in you know, Peter talks about this. He talks about how the world will melt like wax in the heat. He really describes the end of all things. And then he says, Because of this, what kind of people ought we to be? And then he says, you ought to live holy and godly lives. So once again, for us to live the lives that God has called us to live, the lives, the lives that maximize our joy, maximize our peace, maximize our hope, is once again because we can look ahead to the eternal perspective and we can realize all these things around us, this castle that I want to build right now, this car that I want to buy right now, this it will all melt in the heat. And it it cannot motivate me towards holiness or joy or peace, but an eternal perspective can. And so that isn't really my it really brings a countercultural uh message, not only to the world, like I said, but to the church, because the church oftentimes, while we intellectually believe the right things in in a lot of ways, we are not living as if they are true. And so the Christian ends up having the same amount of anxiety as their non-Christian neighbor. The Christian ends up coveting the same things as their non-Christian neighbor because we've forgotten who we are and we've forgotten why we are here.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

So powerful. And I think it's just a beautiful, you know, story that you've even be been led to the Bay Area where I mean it is, it's very prevalent, you know, the Silicon Valley, right?

SPEAKER_00 47:33

Have you spiritual a spiritual hardness, absolutely? And it's and it's and it's it's it's only God that would move a poor Canadian mountain boy um just to the heart of Silicon Valley.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Yeah. Well, I would love to hear if you had any just testimonials, I guess, of somebody hearing your message and just being completely radically shifted into a new perspective, almost like you're a spiritual optometrist.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

Yeah. Well, I you know, there's a there's a lot of stories I could tell. Perhaps one of them has been the most prevalent one in that God, you know, about a year ago, God started in my heart to to write a book about heaven and hell.

unknown 48:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

And the book is called A Song of Light and Fire, An Uncensored Journey Through Heaven and Hell. And what I did in this book was I decided I don't want to write facts about heaven, and I don't want to just write facts about hell. And so I wrote it in a narrative format, which I had never done before. And so I wrote it as of a story. And so we I follow a real part one follows a real life person in history, Perpetua,

A Narrative Book On Heaven And Hell

SPEAKER_00 48:37

who died who died in the uh arena in 203 AD. I follow her into heaven, and I just follow her into the experience of dying and and then experiencing heaven. And then I follow another real life character who was her murderer, who was the Caesar of Rome at the time. I follow him into hell, and I follow him into through death, into into Hades, into judgment, into the lake of fire. And then part three of the book is an appendix in which I break down very clearly hey, what you just read wasn't fiction and it wasn't Corey's story hour. Uh it it was it's from God. This is what this is what the Bible says eternity is like. And my point being, so I I released this book and I had never written a narrative format before, and I am overwhelmed by the by the response that I have gotten from people who who have said to me they felt like their eyes were opened for the first time, mature Christians, even their eyes were opened for the first time to the reality of in the book. I called Earth, I've named Earth the choosing ground.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

And I remember I I sat, I sat, I was right, it's oftentimes I write through the right through the night, and I remember just kind of sitting up. How do I describe earth? And and the the phrase the choosing ground just came to me.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

That's good.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

And that has been impacting people as they looked at this world around them, and they we call this word earth, which is like it comes from ancient English, which means dirt. And that is that you know, that's not what this place is. That's like calling a cathedral stone, right? Or a symphony sound or something like that, right? And so it's what this place is is a choosing ground where God gives all of us the opportunity to choose hope or choose despair, to choose his way or to choose our way. And I I've just had people reaching out to me saying they've never seen this before. And it's funny because there was a couple that I talked to last week that came into my office, and they're both scientists.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:47

And they spent their whole life in the sciences, they're highly educated, and and both of them are they approach the book in different ways. But the one of the the the husband said to me, he said, I start, I started by reading the appendix first. And so he went and he said, because I wanted to make sure that so I don't want to read anything that is uh isn't supported, definitive, both biblically, scientifically, you know, from his mind, he wanted to know. And then once he read the appendix, then he read the book. And he says, I have to say, he says, I feel like I've wasted my life because I didn't see clearly and I didn't take this seriously. And so as far as kind of, and this is is amazes me because I'm a just a hick mountain boy from British Columbia who for for whatever reason, you know, six years ago, God God said, No, you're gonna write, you're gonna start writing so you can reach people that you reach people outside your current circle. Yes, and so that is that's something that has been really meaningful to me as I've just been amazed by people of all ages and who have reached out and just said, Wow, I finally feel like I understand eternity, and in understanding eternity, I understand today.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

That's so good. And you said the name of the book is A Song of Light and Fire.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

Yes, a song of light and fire, an uncensored journey through heaven and hell. And so I would just you know, again, I would caution your readers with one or your listeners with one thing. If they do read the book, too, it's it's called an uncensored journey. My goal was to give you an accurate biblical depiction. And so that the heavenly portions, that you know, the heavenly chapters are as much joy and excitement and stimulus as you can possibly imagine, and and the hell chapters are as dark and foreboding as as you can ex you can imagine, because heaven, as glorious as heaven is, hell is is that same metric worse. But the beautiful part of it is it I not only just describe what they are, describe why they are. Heaven is is where God intended us to dwell. That's it's where we're designed to dwell and live. That's why we can't find happiness here on earth, it's because we weren't designed for this place.

SPEAKER_01 53:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 53:20

You know, and then and then hell is not a torture chamber created by an angry God to punish us. Hell is the natural void that is left when all love is removed, when all goodness is removed, when all hope is removed, when all life is removed. And it helps us understand how God is good in the midst of all of it.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

Yes. I am you know I'm I'm just listening. This is so incredible. Everybody needs to get this book. I'm gonna get it for sure too. But I'm I'm curious, are your parents still living?

SPEAKER_00 53:59

My mum passed away in 2023, uh, 2024, and my my dad is still living, yes.

SPEAKER_03 54:09

Okay. I'm I'm thinking back to that question of you know, your your dad was wondering, you know, why these things were happening. Has he had a has he had a chance to read your book?

SPEAKER_00 54:19

He has.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

Yeah, what does he think of it? Oh, what does he think of your journey, like you know, full circle, like coming who you've become, like you know, what does he think of all of this?

SPEAKER_00 54:32

It it's a

A Father’s Response And Healing

SPEAKER_00 54:33

very interesting question in that I would say that my dad my aunts and uncles are excited to see the journey that God has taken me on. And I I believe my father is there now, but my dad has always told me that he he feels in competition with me.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

And so it's very interesting how um what I will say is this I will say this. Since I began writing, yeah, my dad has begun writing.

SPEAKER_03 55:15

Really?

SPEAKER_00 55:16

And and I am and my dad is uh yeah, I won't get too much into it, but honestly, he he is a hobo that lives, he still lives in a cabin heated by wood carrying water, and he's got nowhere to go with nothing to do, kind of kind of thing. And so he's still he's still that kind of person. But he is he has been writing, and I have been blessed to see how it's amazing. Remember how I said in writing you process, yes, you meditate, you find things at a deeper level, and I've really found that in him. And I would say that since dad started writing, his and my relationship has really become something special. And um and so I don't know, I know dad dad loves the book, and then he's he he's he's mentioned how he feels it's great writing, and and but for me the most important thing is how his response to it has been to write himself. That's amazing, and and that has been a real blessing to me. Because I, you know, we all look at our parents and we know their their strengths and their weaknesses, yeah. And we know how where they find how they found things easy to love and what they find, you know, expressions of love they find hard. And so for him, the fact that he is now writing is tells me what I need to hear.

SPEAKER_03 56:33

Absolutely. Well, praise God for that. Wow. Well, this has been incredible, Corey. Thank you so much for just sharing your heart with us, you know, where the Lord has taken you from and where he's taking you to, and just all the goodness that the Lord's doing through you. And and really thank you for being in the Bay Area for sure. Where are you pastoring right now if you're open to sharing with us?

SPEAKER_00 56:56

Yeah, absolutely. I I am pastoring at a place called uh Trinity Church of Sunnyvale. Okay. Um, it's right kind of in the heart of Sunnyvale, which is in the heart of Silicon Valley, as you well know. Yeah. And yeah, I am just I feel super blessed to be here. I'm thankful that I'm not the lead pastor here. Um I'm an associate pastor because that has given me space and time to for God to speak and for me to put a lot of energy towards the endeavors of writing about the soul, writing about the eternal nature of mankind, and writing about the joy that is coming.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

Yes. Well, thank you so much. I would love for you to share just one more thing here if you're open to that. So I I really do this, what I call seed cast for the one. So if you could just get in mind, you know, the one who's been listening in today, is there anything else that you'd like to speak over this one? And then would you mind praying us out as we wrap up?

SPEAKER_00 57:49

Yeah. Um, could you clarify your question one more time?

SPEAKER_03 57:52

Yeah. So I whenever I when I do these, I call it a seed cast. I'm I'm thinking of the one who's listening in today. So if you could just think of that one who's listening in, who's who's been listening to you this whole time, do you have anything else that you'd like to share with them? Any words of wisdom, encouragement?

SPEAKER_00 58:10

Yeah, I would I would tell them you are made in the image of God. And what that means is that God created you to be love. God created you

Final Encouragement And Closing Prayer

SPEAKER_00 58:28

with dominion and with creativity and with agency. And God created you to enjoy him forever. God created you because his desire is to live in connection with you. That's God's desire for you. And so I would encourage you today, wherever you are at in life, whether you are in a season where you are experiencing blessing in the world, or whether you're in a season where you feel dark and alone, I would encourage you, if it's dark and alone, to know that there is a joy that's coming, my friend, a joy beyond imagination. And so I would encourage you to cling to Jesus. Yes, he will, he has the opportunity and the ability to alleviate your pain and bring you more joy now. But I guarantee you there is a joy and eternity that's coming that when we get there, we're gonna look back at the hardship of this life and we're gonna smile and go, wow, look at me. Look how stressed I was. I wish I had I knew now what I knew then, or I w I wish knew then what I know now because it's not worth comparing. And so fix your eyes on Jesus, my friend. And if there's someone here listening today who has been caught up in the world and the world has been good to them, and that they are financially prospering, they're beautiful, their 401k is doing great. I would just remind you that all of these are going to melt like wax. They're all gonna fail. And if you want to experience two true joy and happiness and riches, once again, turn your eyes to Jesus, set your hope on the eternal life that is coming. Because that is that is the only foundation that will stand, that is the only hope that will last.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

Yes, yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:26

Wow, and Heavenly Father, I just thank you for your love for each one of us. Lord, I thank you for each listener. Lord, we don't know each other, but you know each of us intimately. And Lord, I know that there's a day when we will meet each other in heaven and we will know each other fully. Lord, the truth of the matter is that we've all fallen short. We've all missed the mark. But the truth is also that you sent your son for all of us, that you extend your hope and your love and your grace to all of us. The truth is that for all of us there is only one name under heaven by which we must be saved. And Lord, that makes us brothers and sisters. That makes us fellow travelers, that makes us co-heirs. And so, Lord, for those listening today who need an encouragement, Lord, I just pray you'd wrap your arms of love and grace around them and speak life to them. Lord, for those who perhaps have struggled with complacency or they've fixed their eyes on the failing things of this world, Lord, I pray that you would help them see the rot, so to speak, Lord. You would help them see the deception and the fallibility of the things around us. But once again, Lord, that then you would reach your arms of love out and you would show them where hope truly resides, which is in your heart, in your purposes, in your word. So, Lord, again, whether we need encouragement or correction today, Lord, I pray that we would open our hearts to receive it, because you are a good father and you long to give us good things. In Jesus' name, amen.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

Amen. Thank you, Cory, so much. What is the best way for people to get a hold of you if they'd like to touch base?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

Yeah, best way would be you could message me through my website, Cory Rosenki.com. That's C-O-R-Y-R-O-S-E-N-K-E dot com. And yeah, you could have easily get a hold of me there. It also tells me where the books are available, which is everywhere, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, wherever. And and I let me honestly say, I would I would love to connect. Um, so uh if reaching out is something that would be meaningful to you or if there's a way I can help, um I

How To Connect And Final Blessing

SPEAKER_00 1:02:55

welcome it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:56

Oh, that's wonderful. Well, thank you so much. I will be sure to put your contact information in the show notes. So, listeners, if you didn't catch that verbally, it'll be in the show notes. So reach out. And thank you so much for being a brave voice who's setting so many free. I'm gonna close with the Hope Unlocked anchoring verse, which is may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so by the power of the Holy Spirit, you may abound in hope. And that's Romans 15, 13. Thanks again, Corey. I'll be back with another episode next week, listeners. Have a good day.