In this episode, Carla is joined by Dr Martin Ashby – a consultant in palliative care for the NHS and Trustee of Animal Free Research UK. Martin talks to Carla about his frustration at the lack of progress being made for treatments for his patients, something he attributes to the continued focus on substandard animal-based research. 

Listen to find out what 80s TV programme sparked Martin’s lifelong animal advocacy, leading him to take a stand against the animal-using status quo at his university, and eventually to challenging animal research at medical conferences. 

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