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We Are PoWEr Podcast
Catherine Millan: ADHD, Young Carer, and Becoming an Award-Winning CEO
The brilliant Catherine Millan joins the We Are PoWEr Podcast - bringing resilience, empathy, and a mission to change workplaces for the better. Founder of Be What You See Consultancy and winner of the 2025 Northern PoWEr Women Awards Person with Purpose Organisation Award, Catherine is dedicated to creating psychologically safe environments through innovative active bystander training.
From becoming a young carer at just 14 when her mum faced mental health struggles after cancer treatment, to finding structure and leadership in the Army Cadets, Catherine’s early life shaped her determination to become the role model she never had growing up. A late ADHD and dyslexia diagnosis during lockdown gave her new self-understanding, helping her sharpen her focus and grow her award-winning business.
Catherine shares how the Manchester Arena attack sparked her to develop training at a time when hate crimes had surged 500%, why compassionate leadership is her greatest strength, and how she’s turning corporate investment into free programs for schools. With a book in the works and her eyes set on scaling her impact, Catherine proves that lived experience, empathy, and courage can drive lasting change.
In this episode:
From young carer to entrepreneur with purpose
The Army Cadets and the leadership lessons that lasted a lifetime
How the Manchester Arena attack inspired active bystander training
ADHD, dyslexia, and the power of late diagnosis
Winning a Northern PoWEr Women Award and what it means to her
Why compassionate leadership is her superpower
Plans to scale her business and inspire future generations
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Hello, hello and welcome to the we Are Power podcast. If this is your first time here, the we Are Power podcast is the podcast for you, your career and your life. We release an episode every single Monday with listeners in over 60 countries worldwide, where you'll hear personal life stories, top-notch industry advice and key leadership insight from amazing role models. As we Are Power is the umbrella brand to Northern Power Women Awards, which celebrates hundreds of female role models and advocates every year. This is where you can hear stories from all of our awards alumni and stay up to date with everything MPW Awards and we Are Power. Well, welcome to the podcast this week an award winner, multi-award winner, actually, but obviously most importantly, 2025 Person with Purpose Organisation Award Catherine Milan. Welcome to the podcast, thank you, thank you. I've wanted you on the podcast for so long. I remember when I think it was over lockdown, when we were doing our kind of Be Heard. Northern Power Women.
Speaker 1:You did like a little three minute video for us, didn't you around? International. I forget nothing, by the way. I love it and I think what jumped out at me is the title of your organisation. Tell us, because you can't tell us it in a sentence. I know that.
Speaker 2:Tell us, because you can't tell us in a sentence, I know that but tell us who you are and all about your org. So my name's Catherine Millan. I am the founder and company director of Be what you See Consultancy. We are an equity, diversity and inclusion training company, but we specialise in workplace discrimination prevention, intervention, and so a lot of the work that I do is with clients who are either having issues with workplace discrimination in areas such as racism, homophobia, transphobia and gender inequality, and we'll kind of go in, we'll do an audit and we'll look at their systems and processes, but we'll also look at it on a kind of verbal and behavioral level what needs to change, what awareness needs to be raised and then we kind of just really get them to a point on them being able to say, yeah, this is a really psychologically safe work environment for all of our staff. Be what you see is called be what you see Really, because when I was growing up, I never really see myself represented in anything.
Speaker 2:I definitely didn't see myself as an entrepreneur. I kind of came from a working class background and a lot of people that I would see when I was younger, as adults they worked because they had to and they didn't necessarily do jobs that they liked. So my whole outlook on life was like you've just got to do it and earn money to live and that's the way the world works. I never really associated doing something that you were passionate about with like earning money, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:And uh, when I kind of got to a point in my career where I knew something needed to change I I was like I love training and I want to set up my own training company. I felt quite passionate about being a role model and being the person that I never seen when I was younger. We do a training program with young people in schools and it's got what we call a Be what you See series and it's exactly that. I recruit professionals from all over the UK and I get them to go into schools and just tell their stories because I'm like I want you to be the person that little Catherine wanted. So, yeah, that's the kind of story behind the name of the company and kind of where I came from.
Speaker 1:Really, and you talked about growing up and thinking that work was a means to an end, a means to eat, a means to live and stuff like that. But you also were you in the army cadets yes, I was yeah, so it's like sometimes I always think of those sliding doors moment, you know and I think and what age were you when?
Speaker 2:you were doing that. So I was 14 when I joined the cadets and why? Why was that? And that largely came down to that was the age where I became a young carer for my mum, okay, and when I was one my mum got cancer and that resulted in her having to go to a hospital in Sheffield because of the type of cancer that she had. She was away for about a year. We went into care and was looked after by someone else and that really affected my mum mentally years later. So even though she survived, you know she she's physically fit now the cancer's not come back. And at that time mentally it broke her really and she never really recovered from it. And when I was 14, that was the first time that she had a breakdown, had to be hospitalized because of her mental health.
Speaker 2:And cadets came at a time at my life where I needed a bit of routine structure and I also worked with an organization called Western Spirit.
Speaker 2:So Simon Weston and really good friends with Simon and known him since I was 14 used to do a lot of work with that charity and they really helped me turn my life around.
Speaker 2:So the combination of doing that personal development work and then the structure and the routine of the cadets, I think really gave me what I didn't have at home because, even though I'd never change it now, um, being a carer at the age of 14, it was really challenging because all of my mates were going, you know, out to the cinema, out with their friends, like dating boys, you know all stuff like that, and for me I was like going and paying the bills or, you know, going and doing the food shopping or having to like run the house, and it was just really really overwhelming and I think I just needed some type of structure or routine and I was able to find it through those two different things and, you know, I learned some of you know very basic life skills on, like you know how to iron, because you weren't allowed tram lines, and you know just the, the discipline of, like you know, being on time for stuff, having to look after yourself, um, you know having, you know having you know cooking, ration, food, all stuff like that, and it was just it got me outside, so I was away most weekends, um, because in the cadets you go through different star levels and I made my way all the way up to the top and yeah, it was just.
Speaker 2:I think it kind of came in at the right time in my life and I've always been quite passionate about taking every opportunity, like I say yes to everything. Do you know what I mean? But I think it's because I've come from a background where you don't really get anything, so you've got to fight for it and if something comes you've just got to take it and take that risk.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that your mum is is well. Um, we'll come back to the say yes thing, because I think I've always done that. Say yes and work out later. Yeah, is it always a good thing? We'll come back to the say yes thing, because I think I've always done that say yes and work out later. Yeah, is it always a good thing? We'll come back discuss. We'll come back to that one. So what, how long were you in the cadets then? How long was that part of your, your part of that community?
Speaker 2:yeah. So I was in the cadets from when I was 14 right up until I was 18. I trained when I turned 18. I actually trained to be an adult instructor because I wanted to kind of get you know, pay forward, give it back, um. But I got into university.
Speaker 2:So it was kind of like I can't really do both here, um, and I got into university and I moved away. So that was the first time where I was like, oh, I'm gonna have my own place, I'm gonna be able to manage money, that's mine. And it was the first time I was like, actually, I've just got to look after me now, which was quite liberating for me. So I think all of my friends were like really scared. They're like, oh, I'm going to miss my parents. And I was like, yes, this amazing life opportunity, here it is. And I think it was at that time that I came out as well.
Speaker 2:So when I was younger I didn't really feel comfortable to even speak to anyone about my sexual orientation. So going away to university and, you know, finishing the cadets, it was almost this. It was like a brand new chapter was opening for me. But I was taking all of these amazing life skills that I'd learned. So I was in dorms and I was thriving and everyone else was like, how would you use the washing machine? How would you do this, like, how do you pay this bill? And I was like, come here, joey, like been doing it for years now, like I can teach you, type of thing Is that where your training career almost started, because you were wanting to be like a training instructor weren't in the cadets?
Speaker 1:yeah, I wonder, was this is the start of the consultancy right?
Speaker 2:yeah, or were you trading?
Speaker 1:I traded in the navy. I'd be like right wasn't really good at that, but I was really good at braiding hair, right, so I braid the hair someone do the shirts not so good at tram lines. Do you know what I was?
Speaker 2:just reflecting back on it now, I was just, I was a really good leader. So I very quickly you you know made my way up the ranks. You know I worked my way up to, I think, a colour sergeant major by the time that I left, and I was always my birthday's in September, so I always felt I was always the oldest in the group anyway who I'd been put with, and I think, because I'd been in that role of carer, it was just in my second nature. So I just, I naturally kind of don't mind taking on that role and I think it's one of the reasons why it's led me to the path of being an entrepreneur, because I think I've just got that mentality of like, I'm happy to be that person at the front and to take the lead and it doesn't scare me in any way.
Speaker 2:What makes a good leader? The front and to take the lead, and it doesn't scare me in any way. What makes a good leader? I think for me, what I would say makes a good leader, especially on reflection of the past three years of running the company I think it's having empathy and compassion, and I think it's having empathy and compassion for the people who are at the side of you or behind you, because I think I've learned that as a leader, you've kind of got to understand where everybody else is at and then your role is to kind of guide them in the right way. And I think with that as well it probably there's an, there's an element of. I think good leaders are the ones that are going to take the risk, and I think that's me as well, like I will and I think again, this probably comes down to the cadet like I'll be that person on the front line, I'll take the risk, I'll, do you know, go and see if it's safe, and then I'll call everybody else. So, yeah, compassion, empathy and taking the risk.
Speaker 1:And you talk about being an active bystander.
Speaker 2:Yes, Talk to us about that. Yeah, so after I finished university, I went away for a couple of years and did humanitarian aid work all around the world Absolutely loved it. I was working on the Sustainable Development Goal for Improving Quality of Education and absolutely loved it. I was working on the sustainable development goal for improving quality of education and I learned a lot in terms of systems, processes around education and curriculum development. And I'd learned all of this amazing stuff over the three years and I was like I think it's time to go back to the UK Like I loved it. But it was. You know, it was hard, it was rough.
Speaker 2:I was in Nigeria. I got malaria three times. You know it was hit and miss at times. So I was like, okay, I'm going to go back home. And I got sent a job at the University of Manchester to work in student recruitment and widening participation and I ended up getting the job. I remember doing the interview. Um, we had to travel like three hours to the nearest town because we were in Nigeria at the time and booked this hotel room, did this interview over Skype they see me for about 10 minutes and then the electricity went out and then everything went down. I was like, oh my god, what? What are we going to do? But luckily I'd give them my number, so they did the rest of the interview over the phone, and then I found out a couple of hours later. I got it Way to make an impression.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I was like come on, I'm definitely the one to remember, always about being memorable, right, and that then was the start of me working kind of in the space of equality, diversity and inclusion. But before there were jobs and roles like there are now, and one of the projects that I was asked to work on was a intervention to look at implement an active bystander training across different higher education institutes across the UK. Now that came because of the back of the Manchester Arena attack. So what happened? When that attack happened in Greater Manchester, we seen like a 500% rise in hate crime and the young people that was working with, the students, the staff we were all affected by it. You know, I probably experienced more racism and homophobia in those weeks after the attack than I had in my life. So I went to the university and I was just like, listen, can we do something? You know, is there any funding? I think we need to as an institute, like address this. And then there was an amazing woman that worked alongside Kath Prescott. She was like well, we're just about to roll out active bystander training, and active bystander training is, uh, an intervention initiative that's basically designed to equip people to be able to respond to things like discrimination in the moment by teaching people a toolkit, essentially. So I was kind of like, yeah, this sounds brilliant, I want to do this. I'd had a phone call from a primary school teacher asking me to come in and do a workshop on what had happened and this teacher was just like I don't feel confident and talking about terrorism. I don't feel confident on talking about racism. So I was just like, right, okay, this is quite alarming that teachers are coming and asking for these types of things, but also, why aren't we equipping teachers with the right tools and confidence to be able to talk about these subjects? So kind of put our heads together and then I came up with what we call our champions program. So I was like, right, we'll give training in anti-racism and LGBT inclusion, neurodiversity and how to be an active bystander, but we won't just give people training in it. We'll give them training and then we'll do a train the trainer model, where they have to go out and then deliver something back to their teams or their schools. And it just completely took off. And because there was this piece of work going on, I think there was eight universities in total that were rolling out active bystander training for staff and students. I was then doing that, but then doing this additional work in schools, and the results were amazing. We had schools coming to us saying we've had an increase in reporting, but we're now starting to see a decrease in that type of identity based bullying, in that type of identity-based bullying, because more people are aware now of what racial microaggressions are or why it's important to use pronouns and things like that. That then led to the project getting loads of awards and you know how it works. Once you start getting that attention of awards and stuff, people are like, oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then lockdown happened and everything stopped. Um, we had I was lucky enough to get £10,000 investment funding from the university because they did this amazing scheme called investing in success, but they were basically like, yeah, it's got to stop now, we can't do this anymore, and that then led me to them kind of being like right, if all of this work that I've been doing has stopped, actually what am I like? What am I doing now? My job went from being in the community, being with people running these events, doing training, to being sat behind my laptop, and I basically had a bit of a breakdown during lockdown. Um, and it was a mix of like physical fatigue, um, cycles of burnout and what I would say are all my little quirks almost got exacerbated. So then my me and my partner sat down and I was just like something's not right. Like I. Everyone else was thriving in lockdown but I was really struggling. It translated that I then had ADHD and dyslexia. So during lockdown I went through a diagnosis. So I was like one of the 20% of women that was diagnosed and that was just a massive turning point in my career because it was a real. I had to really shine the mirror on myself in terms of what job am I doing that allows me to thrive? What's my home environment like? What's my lifestyle like?
Speaker 2:For those first couple of years probably about two years before I started the business I had to make changes to make sure. For those first couple of years probably about two years before I started the business I had to make changes to make sure that my mental health stayed in the right and positive way. My partner got me a life coach who just transformed my life. Coaching is a really effective technique for people with ADHD. I really like it because it's the you go in to the big picture thinking, but then it's very task orientated, so you come out with actions that you know you're held accountable for, and I thrive with that kind of dynamic. And then, within I think it was about the first two sessions we were like, right, let's set, let's set the company up. So we did it. And then within four months I was fully booked with training.
Speaker 2:So I was like, okay, be what you see needs to be my full-time job, now stopped since, and the I think the drive and passion comes from really wanting to work in an environment that supports me and my needs, but also is is doing something that I really love.
Speaker 2:I feel like I love being in front of people and taking them through something like active bystander training, and I have people come in and they're like really shy, I don't want to say the wrong thing, and they come out being like I'm yeah, I'm going to go back, I'm going to speak to my team, I'm going to use this technique the next time it happens. Or now I know if somebody says that I know how to challenge them in the right way because you've given me the toolkit and it's one of the most rewarding things I've ever done in my life. And to say, to fit to know that I'm actively contributing to reducing something like workplace discrimination. I'm kind of just at peace with myself where I'm like it is my purpose. So when I got the award I was like your face was validation it was.
Speaker 2:It was just absolute validation of this is what you're meant to do, catherine, and the award just came at, I think, a time that I needed that bit of a, like a push, to say yeah you nearly didn't come, did you?
Speaker 1:yeah, it was because my mum wasn't very well at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was. I think it was literally like last minute and you know, I know a lot of people probably say this to you but I genuinely didn't think that I was going to win. I turned up in a leopard print suit because I was like, yeah, I'm not going to win, I'm not going to be on stage and then I was like and as soon as, like I seen my picture come up, like I said, I had like an out of body experience.
Speaker 2:Did the leopard print go to the stage and you sat where you were it did, it did, and I was just like and and you know what really moved me as I was walking, I could see people in the audience crying, but I I don't know what was said about me, because I think I was having this out-of-body experience. So I'm walking off being like, oh my god, oh my god, this is happening. I've got people looking at me crying and then I was just like what's being said? Like I just isn't. And then afterwards, and the messages that I've had and like the support that I've had from people, like people reaching out and being like you know, if you ever want advice and guidance as a new founder, stuff like that, it's been like, it's been amazing because it's opened so many doors and I carry the trophy with me. Where is it?
Speaker 1:where is it now? It is, it is at home this time.
Speaker 2:So what? Because it's a work of beauty, right? Oh, I absolutely love it. It's good conversation starter. If I'm in a call with a new client, I have it there. Do you know what I mean? And it's just for me. It's just something that is that reminder. So on a day where it's a little bit tougher, I'm struggling. I'll look at that and be like no, catherine, this, like this, is your purpose and no matter how hard this job gets, I'm gonna take it all the way because I think I owe that it's tough being a founder right yeah you know, yeah but then you are ultimately resilient aren't you?
Speaker 2:yeah, and I think, do you know what a lot of people? Um, I was doing this uh session yesterday with a group of young people who were going to go into marketing and they were asking me about, you know, like the challenges and everything. And I always say to them you know, when I grew up, sometimes we didn't have food and we didn't have money. I think, watching a parent go like struggle mentally and not really being able to do anything about it, like struggle mentally and not really being able to do anything about it.
Speaker 2:And you know I was attacked for being gay and being a lesbian and you know my skin colour, and I was like I feel like there's moments that happened in my life where I'm like, if I can get through them, this challenge here you can absolutely do, and I just I dig deep to kind of find something you can absolutely do and I just I dig deep to kind of find something. And to me there's just some things where I'm just like, on a grand scheme of things, is that? Is that as hard as that moment? And what did you do to get through that moment?
Speaker 1:and I think that's the thing that gets me through really and it's interesting because I always think is what's the advice you give your younger self and I don't need to ask you that, because I see you're doing it the things that I thought I couldn't do, something I love, or I didn't think that was for me. You're creating Anything that you have experienced. You're putting it's almost like I'm going to fix all this. You're a fixer?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I think again. Again, it comes like I know, like I know a lot about ADHD and dyslexia now because there's a lot of training on it, but I'm I'm sat there and I'm like reading through, like this is these are the traits, these are the, and I guess I've kind of found that my brain works in a certain way and that's really influenced some of my behaviours, but in a real positive way. So I am risk averse and a lot of people have ADHD are, but that's led me to being a really good entrepreneur.
Speaker 2:You know I am a fixer and you know, ultimately, when people say you know like what's your job or what you do, what you work towards, and I'm like my job is is stopping discrimination in the UK, that's, that's essentially what my job is and for me, I'm always trying to problem solve something and I think I've always just had this mentality and I think you know, combined with how my brain and mind works. But you know, growing up as young carer, single, single parent background, you just learn how to survive. Do you know what I mean? So there's nothing whatever. I never really quit.
Speaker 1:And you talked. We talked earlier, didn't we, about saying yes to opportunities Is there any opportunity? You said yes to that. You were like what was I thinking?
Speaker 2:God, there's a few. I think it's not necessarily what was a thinking, it was more after I've said yes, it's been a really hard and tough lesson. So, for example, um, when I was doing humanitarian work in nigeria, I I was only meant to be there for six months and do one cycle working with a group of volunteers, and then we had like an amazing group you know, I'm quite competitive as well, so, like, our group won like an award and everything for the community work and stuff that we'd done and we'd seen a real impact and they approached me and said, do you want to do another cycle? And I was like, do you know what? Yeah, so I did another six months, but it was in that six months then that I got malaria three times.
Speaker 2:Um, the second group were had a lot more challenges, um, which I think then made me kind of get to the point where I was like, oh, I don't know if I'm enjoying this role anymore. Um, and it was almost one of those things you know when you do something for the first time and you love it, and then you do it again and you're like, oh, that was just meant to be a one-time thing, because now, yeah, so I think there's things in life where I don't necessarily regret it, but I'm just like actually that's the point where I should have said no and I should have probably moved on. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:You went to Sherry Blair's 50th party down the street.
Speaker 2:Yes, I did. My mum's still got the picture as well off in a frame. Yeah, so that was with Western Spirit. So Sherry Blair, I think she was one of their patrons and at that time I'd done quite a lot of work with Western Spirit and I'd gone from nearly being permanently excluded to then, you know, getting GCSEs going on to become head girl. So I was kind of a bit of their like poster girl as such really. And yeah, just a couple of youth workers and they asked for a young person to be invited to. I got to go down for the day. I remember seeing the garden of 11 Downing Street and then them explaining how it all works and they were like we don't actually live in number 10, it's number 11.
Speaker 2:Seeing like you know, spoiler alert yeah, but obviously as you know, like as a young person, I was just like, oh, this is amazing.
Speaker 2:And um, yeah, yeah, it was just, I think, to have moments like that as a young person as well. I remember speaking in like the Houses of Parliament, you know, sharing a platform with Dame Tammy Gray Thompson, and there was just all of these really cool moments that happened, but I think, because I was quite young didn't really appreciate them and for me it was just go in and tell your story. So I was just like yeah, I'm Catherine, this is what I do, and then, but I think that kind of gave me a bit of a taste of wanting to not necessarily be like, you know, go into public speaking, but it just gave me a confidence to do it. Like I said, said I'm not not very good with scripts or anything like that. I like to just have a conversation free-flowing, like I've been on podcasts and I'll talk about my life story and it's. It's different every time, but for me it's just I like it that way, because it's context isn't.
Speaker 1:It depends what you're talking about like life is not short, like in that respect, isn't it? There Depends what you're talking about. Like life is not short, like in that respect, isn't it? There's so many different dimensions to it. What's next? What are you excited for?
Speaker 2:So I think what's next really is to in terms of the business, I really want to grow, be what you see and get to a point where we're the number one provider in the UK. That's kind of in terms of the business and the goal. I want to grow the team. I want the work that we do in schools to be in every school across the UK, but I don't want schools to have to pay for it. So one of the things that I'm working on at the moment is a model so that every adult that does training with us it pays for a young person to do it for free.
Speaker 2:And I think once I've reached that milestone, um and this may shock you I'm then probably going to sell the business, because I set it up as a limited company on the premise that I was always going to sell it because I kind of I I envision where it can be and I've kind of just got to the point where I'm like I don't know if I want to take it to that level where it's global.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm the founder and I'll always be the founder, but do I want to be the CEO when we've got like tens of thousands of staff and you know, just being honest now, I mean, there's, I think, another season for me doing other things in terms of, um, you know, maybe going, setting up a charity or just having a bit of a break from life, going and seeing the world again and spending some proper time with my partner and my family. So, yeah, the we're kind of on the road now with getting the business investment ready. Um, and then I'm starting to think about what's life like after that for me Next chapter right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to write a book as well, I'm just going to say you have a book in you. If I've ever heard one, yeah, definitely A red one.
Speaker 2:I was actually quite strategic with this. I've just submitted a book chapter. It's funny enough. I a book chapter. Uh, it's funny enough. I actually got an email two days ago to say it with the publishers and things now so, um, I can't say much more about it. Um, but it is more or less ready to go. It's going to hopefully be published the end of 2025.
Speaker 2:Um, and I think, because of having dyslexia, I've always been quite nervous about writing. Um, so I was like, well, if I just do a chapter and test the waters and see if I like this, and I loved it, it was like therapy. I was like this is brilliant because it was just, it was kind of talking about my life and my experiences. Did you write or audio it? I actually wrote it. Yeah, I found it quite therapeutic. I went down to the library in Liverpool City Centre and just booked in a couple of weekends just going there, and I just freehand wrote it. Wow. And then you then typed it all up and stuff and then had somebody come in and have a look and almost edited it for me from a dyslexia perspective to make sure that you know the grammar and things like that, and then I kind of came away from the process and was like actually I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2:So now it's kind of the okay, let's take that next step to write the book. But yeah, that would be because there's so much more to. I know I've gave you kind of little hints and stuff today, but there's so many things that have happened in my life that have led me to here, and I always say to people it's you know the film Slumdog Millionaire. I'm like that's my life when he talks about all the things he experienced and able to answer the questions. That that's been mine really and that's the reason why I do what I do and like I want to share those lessons with people and I want, like I can imagine like little Catherine picking the book up and seeing herself and being like, oh okay, we can, we can make it, you can, yeah, you can. So, yeah, so book sell, sell the company and then just see what happens really superpower.
Speaker 1:What is it? Yeah, what's your superpower?
Speaker 2:I think my superpower is definitely I'd say it's probably my, my leadership skills, my ability to be a leader. I think it's just something that comes naturally to me. It's something that I've developed because of the adversity that I've been through, but I think it makes me quite a compassionate leader, an empathetic leader, but also a leader who's kind of willing to take risks and is bigger picture thinking, like the world's our oyster, the universe is our oyster. To me, and I'm I always hold that vision.
Speaker 1:Well, I cannot wait to read the book Prue's. Promise Me your Lord Ability as well because I'd be like right in there definitely, thank you so much, thank you. Amazing Congratulations on the award. Thank you, you'll be coming back to judge this year as well. We always get our award winners to come back and be judges as well, which?
Speaker 2:is really good fun as well. It's like I'm tough.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to say it's not mission easy, but thank you so much. You're brilliant and look forward to the book, thank you. Thank you. Subscribe on YouTube, apple, amazon Music, spotify or wherever you get your podcasts, leave us a review or follow us on socials. We are Power underscore net on Insta, tiktok and Twitter. We are Power on LinkedIn, facebook and we are underscore Power on YouTube.
