Leather Pants, High Kicks, And Even Higher Notes: Pseudo Cowboys Interview

A glam-flash falsetto, a roundhouse kick, and a gut-punch truth about making art in a feed-driven world—this conversation with Adam from The Pseudo Cowboys is a ride. We open on the band’s signature blend of theater and grit: 80s-tinted vocals, Prince-like swagger, and riffs that feel built for sweat and stage lights. From the arena-sized squeal of The Hero Song to the sly innuendo of Cosplay Rock, Adam shows how to keep rock fun without losing the craft, and why a wink can make a chorus hit harder.

Then we wade into deeper waters. Weekly Existential Crisis looks at comparison spirals, doomscrolling, and what happens when algorithms rewire our sense of self. Adam balances darkness with play—serious themes wrapped in hooks that stick. We swap stories about the post-pandemic scene flip, the surge of young guitar bands, and how a night out can still end at Waffle House with a melody ringing in your ears. His love for video-making turns songs into mini-worlds: Vacation Sex is both comedy gold and married-with-kids realness, while The Hero Song channels action-movie myths with high kicks and higher notes.

Under the glitter, there’s a working philosophy of modern success: real relationships over fame, Patreon over platform roulette, and local scenes over faceless curation. Adam is candid about home-studio access, the glut of releases, and why community must become the new quality control. He’s clear on AI, too—useful as a tool, hollow as a storyteller—and argues for protecting the human spark that unites strangers when a chorus lands just right. We close with dream collabs (Justin Hawkins, Billy Corgan), road stories with Marcy Playground and Spin Doctors, and a chaotic “song or euphemism” game that somehow ties it all together.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:54

What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the show. I am your host, Harley, joined by my co-host and little sister Taylor. And an extremely special guest, uh, friend of a friend of the show, Laura Nicole, that we had on recently. Friends with you. Um also your band just fucking rocks, man. Local NCE, just a hops, hop, skip, and a jump away. Please welcome Adam from the Pseudo Cowboys. Adam, thank you for coming on. My pleasure, guys. Thanks for having me. Has anybody ever told you that you sound like uh Rhett from Rhett and Link?

SPEAKER_00 1:31

No, no, do you hear that, Taylor? Yeah, yeah, yeah. North Carolina guy or Western one? I believe so. I believe so. Yeah, well, that would make sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

I think it's a mix of both.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

There's a particular dialect, especially when you get closer to the foothills. And uh, I mean, of course, any region has its own dialect, but um, yeah, we sound we sound like we sound over there, yeah. Which is hilarious because my parents sound a lot more southern than I do, which is kind of a surprise.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Um, I think uh you sound like Link, but look like Rhett. Okay, which is a big compliment. They're great.

Accents, Influences, And Vocal Style

SPEAKER_03 2:09

So so speaking, so Rhett's the handsome one. Very, very of your southern draw does not come through in your songs at all. You have you have this really cool, like um almost almost 80 hair metal type of sound. You have like this squeal to your voice. I compared it to the struts, was was my biggest comparison. This happens every time. Um not intentional, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Never is, isn't it so funny?

SPEAKER_03 2:41

It's so funny, but it's so annoying, and I don't know how to make it stop. Does it happen the word struts? No, no, it tracks my it has this weird like hand movement thing okay where if if I put my hand up, it knows that my hand's up and then it like zooms in on my face for some reason. It's real annoying. Uh but so I do think you guys, well, you specifically sound so much like the struts mixed with like a Steel Panther, um almost like a Judas Priest, even like you have this very like 80s style squeal to your vocals that I love, and it's unique, and I haven't heard it in so long. Um and you you guys kind of put on like an 80s like style when you when you perform, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Yeah, I think the thing is just to be theatrical and fun, and it doesn't have to be specifically glam or anything, but you know, if I can glean pieces of what I like and throw it all together, it's like, yeah, I'm gonna just put it all in the pot and enjoy it. So we have moments where we're nodding our 80s, 70s influence, and then some of it is completely different, you know, because there's like a a prince thing that runs heavily through our music. Um so and that you know, that requires the squealy falsetto too. But um, yeah, it's just something weird that my voice can do, and it's like, yeah, I'm gonna be indulgent and just write a song. I guess you might be referring to the hero song. Yes, like super, super high singing, yeah. Um, so the funny thing about that song is uh Billy Corgan from The Pumpkins posted about uh Rainbow. Have you ever heard of Rainbow? Dio sang for Rainbow. Absolutely, and I'd never heard long uh long live rock and roll, and I just like listened to it. And as soon as I heard that, this concept for the hero song came to me, and you know, just to be like talking about dragons and medieval things. That's not even mentioned in the hero song, but it's just I don't know, like the thematic everything was about medieval. Yeah, and so I just created this song, like running riding down the road, and I started you know singing really high. I was like, Oh, this is great. Recorded on the phone, got home, wrote it.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

They they it's always like Dio and Iron Maiden. Every song is about them having a crazy dream, like there's always a crazy dream involved.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Yeah, so it was more that branch of metal, like you were saying, it was Iron Maiden and and that, but you know, it sounds a little more like I'm trying to do the darkness, which I love the band The Darkness. That uh Justin's actually a friend of mine, and um, so the the closest I could get to making that sound was sort of imitate Justin. I did like 50 takes to do that, by the way. That's funny. I'm not always on like on the recording, like it's it's very high. But um, I went back like a couple days in a row and like resang that thing, just like I gotta get it like Justin would.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

That's it's so funny that you bring up the darkness. When I showed uh your band to my wife, she said it's like Nirvana meets the darkness. Dude, that's a great description.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Tell us, yeah, right. You know what? We try to like make a uh palatable, you know, one-liner to tell people what do you sound like? And um, a lot of us just kind of agreed on we sound like the love child of Led Zeppelin and Prince. But I think Nirvana in the darkness is better for people that know what the dark who the darkness is. So that's really interesting, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:07

No, as soon as she said it, I was like, Oh, you nailed it because I kept saying the struts. I was like, Yeah, you you gotta check them out. They sound like the struts. And she was like, No, it's not the struts. And then she was she was listening to it. Actually, she was listening to um uh baby it's baby it's a covenant. Um oh and and she was yeah, and she was listening to it and she was like, No, it's it's something else. Um, and then she was listening to it a couple times. She was like, Nope, it's the darkness. She was like, He sounds like the lead singer of the darkness.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

That's so interesting.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Yeah, so and then once she said it, there is like a through line in your vocals there. Um, so it's cool that you have that influence and that connection with him as well.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

That's amazing. She picked that up. Um, yeah, I I communicate with him pretty regularly and um actually showed him that song. I was like, Is this too close to Growing on Me and Dinner Lady Arms? And he's like, Nah. But I was trying to do on the song Baby It's Covenant, like a word play, like he would do, also. So it's um, you know, musically it's kind of in that space, but also just having fun with words and writing a silly love song, covenant and loving it, like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

That's another thing we gotta talk about is your incredible lyricism, um, especially the punny side. You you really know how to like take uh uh uh play on words and push it to the extreme.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Yeah, well, I'm glad you find that fun because I feel like most of the time it's not well received or not received at all, but that's being an entertainer sometimes. You just you're doing what you love, and who cat catches it catches it.

SPEAKER_03 7:43

So, yeah, you're you're definitely like your band seems like fun, you know what I mean? It's it's not like could well so you have some deeper songs on there for sure. Um, but like most of your guys' tracks are this like high energy going out to a bar, fun kind of band, you know, and we don't see that much these days.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

Yeah. Well, I also have to point to the darkness for that because a lot of the earlier material was very serious. Um, because you know, we've been around a long time and different eras of music have come and gone. So when we really got started, I mean there were a lot heavier bands like in the mainstream culture, and so we were kind of doing more of that kind of music, but I that's what I like too, anyway. You know, um there's some really good, really good acts from the early 2000s, and uh so we were writing stuff that was in that vein. Um, when it came to like trying to get attention on the internet, I found that being humorous was a little bit better, and you know, if you're gonna capture somebody, like seriousness doesn't always translate, especially on social media. So the things that we invest our time in with music videos and content, it's like being humorous, and that's how we are anyway, because we're a bunch of nerds that goof off, and and it's like we want people to kind of relate to that and also enjoy the deeper stuff, but I think overall I just want people to be playful when they hear our music and come out and cut up and um you know, be be nerds with us. Yeah.

The Hero Song And 70s–80s Metal

SPEAKER_03 9:10

So what would you say is like your most nerdy uh hobby or thing that you enjoy? Martial arts.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

Martial arts, what are we talking like uh karate jiu-jitsu taekwondo? Oh, yeah, like you know, the mixture of uh 90s version of karate that you could take in a rural t town that I grew up in, you know, like the things that they make fun of in you know, fist and footway. And I follow this amazing uh Instagram account where these guys basically troll and they they do like these board breaking circuits where they run around like some dressing like like Ken from Street Fighter, and it's and it's hilarious to see the comments like people are like enraged, like that's not real martial arts. They're they're they're having fun and they're messing with you, and like yeah, like say that again.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

Can I see your best kick?

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Yeah, but the problem is I have sweatpants on right now. So maybe maybe watch the hero song video where I do those roundhouse kicks. Got it, got it. I'll throw some pretty high kicks in there.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Um but uh yeah, martial arts people are are nerds, there's like a particular type of nerd, and I and I love that crowd, and um, so you know well almost like uh like a fitness nerd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you get the people together, I don't know, they just they have this deep passion where they can't see the humor and how fill funny they look sometimes. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

I mean, growing up who did not want to wear a ghee, like if yeah, and especially in the 90s, like the Power Rangers, like come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

And all his action movies, and that that's a lot of the inspiration for the hero song, is just my love for that era of action movie where the hero, like I was trying to outline like the really shallow qualities according to those movies that make a hero, you know, he's unconscionably handsome. And you know, he solves all things with karate, like in the lyrics there. So yeah, yeah. So wait, so does that mean you were like a big Jason Segal guy too? I was more Van Dam, okay, Bruce Lee. Um, but you know, I watched them all, you know, Steven Segal and um you know the Chuck Norris movies and Arnold and Chuck Norris Stallone.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

Uh Chuck Norris was like in an icon. What was that show that he was in? Um Walker. Walker, Texas Ranger, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Doesn't he also wear a gi in that? He wears like the like a top gi and and like blue jeans, right? Um I think he just has like a western attire on, like, Texas Ranger would. Uh that that that's just something that's stuck in my head, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

See, Chuck Norris is so powerful, you just see the gi and you see the black belt, even though he doesn't have to wear it. What happened to the Chuck Norris jokes? I miss that. I miss that so much. Well, there's an Instagram account um called Chuck Jokes, I think. I'm promoting like other people's accounts right now. Um but yeah, I get those Chuck Chuck jokes jokes.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

Um tell me about Tell me about weekly existential crisis.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

Well that's my favorite song on this EP.

The Darkness Connection And Wordplay

SPEAKER_00 12:31

Oh, cool, yeah. I mean, I think that everybody can relate to looking at your phone and comparing yourself to others in this day and age because we have to interface through social media, and it's sort of like you know, at that time when I wrote it, um, there were horrible shootings and things going on. I mean, it was just what last year or the year before. And I I feel like, you know, if I'm just a normal, sort of kind of well-balanced person, as much as an artist can be, and I feel horrible comparing myself to others, like what does an unstable person feel like? So I was trying to tow this line of being like both characters, like a a common person can relate to feeling like this just I'm valueless and I can't keep up, and then also be that person that's a little bit psychopathic, and uh, you know, what kind of acts are they gonna commit? So it's a very dark song, but it uh I love the sound of that song.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

Yeah, yeah. It's the the guitar is killer on that song. I absolutely love the guitar in that song, but the the message, man, yeah, that I I really like gravitated towards that one on this one. Like there was just something about the exactly like you were saying, the the way that you're kind of talking about social media and just how people view themselves comparing yourself to other people, and and especially right now, I feel like that message is so much stronger now, probably than when you wrote it. And and it truly, like I I think that one's one that I think everyone, if you have a chance, should pull that track and listen to, because I think that has a such such a beautiful message in it, too, towards the end.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

Yeah, I mean, I worry about people. That's uh like I said, if you know a normal person feels these dark things, uh, you know, people that are being influenced by it that aren't so stable and don't have a good foundation. Whoo, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

And you still were able to pull out like such a dark topic in a playful manner, like that's crazy to me. Yeah, yeah. So I I I don't know how else to say this other than Marcy Playground. Yeah. How how how did that come about?

Humor, Image, And Live Theatrics

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Yeah. Um, well, they are managed by actually a Raleigh entertainment company, and uh we connected through them. And in the in the past, uh they used to do these things that the radio station would sponsor that we would do a cruise in a or Bahamas retreat, and I was lucky enough to be asked to go down there and be a part of it and perform by the radio station and this entertainment company, um Deep South Entertainment. And so they pulled Marcy in for that and uh and also sponge. And uh I went down to the Bahamas a couple times, played with these different groups, and um John was super nice. At one point, we played a show together in Raleigh at Deep South and made a little appearance on a promo video for me and just saying some nice things. So awesome, talented dudes, love those guys, and they're still out there really kicking it right now, too. If you ever get a chance to see Marcy live, they're they're really good.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

As such a music fan, when that happened, were you like this is a dream come true situation? Like, especially like Marcy and Sponge. I didn't even realize it was Sponge, also. That's crazy, man.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I eventually learned how to act around successful people, but it took a bit. I'm still actually saw um I played in downtown Raleigh not too long ago um for a summer fest and they had um spin doctors playing, and I met Chris Baron back when we had a Bud Light downtown live concert series in the early 2000s, and he happened to walk into a bar that I was going to too, and I just like asked him really stupid questions, kind of was his little shadow following him around. And so all these years later, I guess it's almost it was like 15 years later, I was like, hey, he was about to get on stage and I just played, and I was like, Hey man, can I stop you for a second? I just want to thank you for being so poised and gracious when I was a young man, just like asking dumb questions. He's like, What'd you ask? And I was like, Oh, it was something stupid, don't worry about it. But I just I I remember that example of him, you know, being patient and interacting with somebody where he probably just wanted to get to where he was going. And I thought that's how you treat people like when you're successful. So it it really served me well. Not that I've been successful, but I think you know, when you play a lot, you interact with a lot of people that want to get your attention. If they want to express something to you, you should, you know, really give them the time of day. And it's not always easy to do. And I I thought he did a really nice job of that. So shout out to Chris Barron from Spin Doctors, another incredible group I've had the chance to share a bill with.

SPEAKER_03 19:07

I I can I can only imagine you being like at the bar and you just walk up to me and you're like, hey, hey, two princes, right? What about it? And you're like, Yeah, man, great stuff. Um, yeah, I appreciate your modesty, and uh to me, I would venture to say that you have reached success. Um yeah, yeah. Especially to Taylor and I. Uh we're big fans, but as as you say that, how do you define success? What what what defines success for you and in where you are as an artist today?

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Yeah, uh, I think just a real reciprocal relationship with a real audience, like the days of you know, having that superstar level of success is not really within reach for a lot of people, and you know, as you get older, you don't really want that either. But what what I want is like knowing the people that are interested in my songs and the band's work, and um, I really like having you know enough of a reciprocal personal relationship with people to be able to sustain off of. So like we have a Patreon, and those people that are in that community that subscribe to us, like they are the best fans because they they kick in and allow us to make music by subscribing, even if they're you know in the free tier or whatever, they're interacting and they're interested in the things that we're showing the behind the scenes and just silly stuff that didn't get used in a music video. And it's like everybody's just kind of interested in it and keeping up with us, and like, God, that feels good as an artist, just to be able to share and it be received. Like on social media, a lot of the times, you know, you put something out there and it just evaporates, and you could have like really executed it well, and you know, for no reason at all, something else works, and you didn't put that much effort into it. But like, you know, when we have that super fan club on Patreon, and you know, they're commenting and asking us like questions, and we do live streams and interact, like that, that is the thing right there. Um, I would love to grow it, um, but uh I at the same time it feels like super fortunate for the people that are there, like that is that is success.

Martial Arts, Action Heroes, And Kicks

SPEAKER_03 21:23

So hell yeah, man. Uh speaking of your Patreon, those fans also are aware of you being a new father. Um let's just I gotta ask. I I had Ryan Cabrera on here last year, and I asked him this question because he's also a new dad. Um what is a message today that you want your child to find in the archive someday that you want to leave behind? What is what is something that today you want to tell your child for the future?

SPEAKER_00 22:01

I want her to feel secure no matter what she does, like that she's just deeply loved, and to not, you know, we were talking about the way people feel judging themselves, rating themselves against what's presented on social media. It's all you know, sort of a a uh performative facade. Like I don't I don't want her to see that and feel moved at all. Like I I want her to understand she's just like at her foundation, okay. And uh, you know, a lot of us may have a little bit of a hole in ourselves and we're looking for validation outside of things. And I and I hope that you know mine and my wife's love can just override all those influences. Um that's uh that's my goal with her, you know. So I'm telling this little baby that doesn't even understand me yet, it's just I love you, just like looking at her. I don't want her to be like, you know, overindulged, but she needs to know at her core, like she's gonna be good no matter what happens when outside judgment, anything. Right.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

It's a beautiful message, man. Um let's talk about cosplay rock real quick. How how did how did you land on putting that as number one is my first question. Um secondly, just tell the story because the it's it's wild.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, when we came out of the pandemic, um, we started doing shows again, and we were trying to, you know, get on bills that have bands that are like us, and there are a lot of young rock bands out right now, and it and it kind of shocked us like there were people to play with post pandemic for some reason. Like I guess kids, you know, shred shedded on the guitar and got to shredding. And um when we played like one of our first shows at a local venue called the Poor House Suite, played with some young guys and they all had long hair, and this hasn't existed for a long time, like um you know, we were like Outcasts in the local music scene for like the rock and wearing too much color and you know being theatrical. Like that wasn't cool, like the indie rock thing like dominated forever. And um, so when this resurgence of rock came out, I was like, this is amazing. Um and the spirit was in the air, and I just watching these like young dudes be like I was when I was their age, fully into it. I mean, fully embracing like I'm a rock and roller, and and but contextually it's like disconnected from you know the path that came from 60s to 70s to 80s to 90s, and then you know, sort of fell apart. But they're picking it back up, and I just think it I think it's fun, but it's also funny as a as a grown man, like who lived through it and lived like in that time in your 20s when you're like there's nothing else, you know. So I wanted to encapsulate that spirit, but the song tracks two young ladies going through the night and having this experience, going out and to see these boys that they got a crush on that are playing, and then they end up at the waffle house at the end, like all um good nights out going to see what music does. So um, you know, so it's about really about the girls, and then the boys are sort of in the background singing the chorus, and then there's also the washed-up musicians like judging from afar, which is you know the curmudgeonly old guy, like a little bit jealous that I don't think. Yeah, yeah. So um, yeah, it's just uh it's definitely not um negative, it's just you know, encapsulation of it all. And I I I saw this happen. And and the weird thing was when we played those shows, it was all girls in the crowd. Like that never was the case either. It was it was all guys, so post-pandemic, like everything got inverted, and I was just like, I don't know, inspired, wanted to capture the scene. You have oh go ahead. I was gonna say now I want weekly existential crisis to be the first song. Yeah, yeah. I went to try and change it and change the order, um, and and it wouldn't let me say uh that's really not track one anymore. But if you listen on Spotify, it's cosplay rock is number one.

Weekly Existential Crisis And Social Media

SPEAKER_03 26:14

So um you have this way to to write uh uh a very fun innuindu song. Cosplay rock is for sure that, but nowhere near vacation sex, which the moment that I heard I I was 12 seconds in and sent it to my wife. I was like, this is my new favorite song, and it was it was right before Valentine's Day. I was like, This is perfect, yeah. She goes, so I sent her the video, and she goes, What in the hell am I watching? That's the response I want. It's it's my favorite music video of all time. I'm I'm in love with it, it's so funny. Um, who how do you guys write your music videos? Who who's the creative genius behind your music videos?

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Well, I I think uh sort of birthed them and then we raised them as a village. So I'll bring the idea like I really want to do this because I have this concept and I think it will be entertaining, and then we all pitch in and and like everybody shows up and just kicks ass, like you know, hey, I want to do this dance move, or you know, what if I'm you know humping the dryer or something. It was like in the hero song um when Dom uh Dominic Serkin was was in the band, like he just showed up with um juggling items and a log. So if you see that, I don't know if you can cut that in when you know, maybe make a clip of this, but absolutely Dom's going across the lava on a log juggling. It was like, why did you bring this? It was so perfect though. So everybody gets real playful, and um, you know, there's kind of a there has to be a structure when you're working on a low budget to like get in so much stuff, but then everybody tries to like come up with ways to make each other laugh, and right God, Keith in the kitchen on vacation six, rubbing the flower on his face and deep fruiting the banana it reminded me so much of like Lonely Island, yeah, in like the best way.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

Um, but also I love the song on a deeper level because I don't even know if you did it intentionally, but like as a married man with a young child, like it truly does resonate in a in a weird way, you know.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Dude, I had somebody the other day uh because I think I posted a clip from it that where I was doing the grass mowing part, yeah, yeah, just to kind of like say, Hey, warm weather is near or something like that. Don't forget about vacation sex. And um, somebody in the comments wrote, We're about to go on vacation, and I can't stop thinking about this song, you know. And I know them personally, I know that they have a number of kids, and it's like there's yeah, they're actually getting the way of just the two of them, and uh, and I'm like, I'm so glad I'm in your head when you're enjoying yourself. But truisms are what you're trying to connect with people, so yeah. Um, I'm glad, even though it's silly, that some people I mean, they're like, I do appreciate that song. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

Like I said, as you know, trying to navigate that as new parents is damn near impossible. So I understand and and appreciate it, and I love that I can somewhat disguise humor with with actual feelings when I send that to my wife. So uh, but my whole point in this weird roundabout way is you also do the same thing in cosplay rock. You have this way of writing these these innuendos into your music that it's just so cleverly put. Um, how how did how did you start writing music?

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Well, my dad's a songwriter, he's not a like a published songwriter, but I mean he's just it's in his blood. And he did play music for a living when he was younger. So when I was really little, he would be working on his recordings in the basement. And uh that super, super influenced me. Um, you know, because it's not just a song, it's uh an expression of a bit of your soul that needs to come out, you know, and I could see what it meant to him. So once I decided I was gonna play guitar in like my early teens, like I started writing songs immediately. So um, you know, it it functions as therapy, and if you're creative, you know, you just gotta have output anyway. So the more you do, the better you get at it, and the the more clever ways that you know you have to go at it.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

And is is there any um never stopped? Is there any uh uh formal practice? Did you take like a writing course or or dive into like language as a whole at all?

SPEAKER_00 31:07

No, um, you know, I'd have to say, God, I bet people get tired of me talking about the Beatles, but when I was a kid, the Beatles Anthology series came out, and it's I don't know if you know about the anthology or not, but it's for people that don't, it's a collection of like the alternate takes and different demos of the songs and then different mixes, and it shows the progression of like a lot of those songs developing, and like to hear that as you were learning how to write songs and understand like you know what the final version was versus like these things you're hearing. It's like I got I got to studying it and just the freedom that those guys had to experiment, change things around. It it's it's unbelievable. Um, so that was the best education for me, other than my dad being a great songwriter.

SPEAKER_03 31:55

Let's talk about See the Sunshine, which I think, in my opinion, is a song that seems like it means a decent chunk to you. Um tell me the story behind that and and what it means to you.

Marcy Playground, Sponge, And Spin Doctors

SPEAKER_00 32:13

Yeah, so it's just a plea for people in modern times to try to reconnect with what we're made of and to not get too lost in the digital thing. It's it it dovetails into the weekly existential crisis theme, also. Um, but when the um rise of AI being able to make music started to become apparent, me and some of my musician musician friends were just talking about it, like what the heck? Because we we're all wise enough to know like the music industry is gonna try and find the easiest way to make money because it's a business, and that's just what it's gonna do. So if you don't need real writers writing about real lived experience, then they're gonna, you know, do that. They're gonna they're gonna create things that you spoke you you think are supposed to be popular in an automated way, and it's not connected to a soul at all. So it just really started bothering me, you know, because I've invested my life in being a creative, and um, you know, and then other things are going on in the world that are chaotic, and you know, it it just you as a human you just feel kind of lost. But I I've seen the power of music so many times over, playing in a diverse crowd, playing music that people love, and just bringing everybody of all backgrounds together, and like that it's a magic that you can't replicate with you know something automated or digital is inexplicable. And I'm just uh I'm just asking for people to remember to keep that in their lives, you know, and remember to do it for yourself and remember to have an ethic where you support real creators. You know, it's it's up to us if the business is trying to make you know corpor corporate money, you know, that's what's gonna happen. But in our local scene, you can still support people that are real, passionate people with lives that have stories to tell and they have witticisms that they can only, you know, a machine can't replicate. Exactly. This weird personality just has a way of saying what it says, you know, and hopefully that's valuable, more valuable than the um, you know, statistically likely calculations that AI makes to make songs. Like it doesn't mean anything. I I couldn't agree more.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

I feel like um AI has its its uses as a very strong tool in the right situations, but utilizing it in the arts, number one, is such a a very, very tricky line to walk, anyways. But I I could talk for another hour just on my gripes with the industry as a whole. Um, but I do it does raise a question that I have for you with with that feeling of uh how you feel about the AI situation. Uh how do you feel about the accessibility today to create music comparatively to when you were growing up? And and how labels realistically do not make or break success at this point. Um my feeling is it is when I was growing up, in order to have a home studio like I have right now, would have cost me thousands upon thousands of dollars um on top of the the know-how to even begin to record a track and the training and years of experience that would have to go into that, you would have to go to a studio, you know, it just wasn't feasible. But now we live in this world where for six-seven hundred bucks in a in a afternoon of YouTube, you can realistically put out a track that in the 90s would have been next level production value, you know? So how how do you feel as a as an artist yourself about that accessibility?

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Yeah, well, I love the accessibility as far as you know being able to get my ideas down faster and to a point that's like more presentable. But I think with the increase in availability and supply, you know, it makes it less special to have an opportunity to like record something. And so, you know, maybe we take it for granted and don't, you know, when when you maybe go to into a studio to to record something, like I don't know, it's it it's not the same elite team of people putting in their best ideas and trying to you know create something to get that chance to have something on the radio. So it's just a different game altogether. And um, you know, you can't you can't fight supply and demand. If there's more supply and more people making music, like you know, the demand is gonna go down, which is like a lyric and weekly existential crisis. It's like you know, what are you gonna do? So I take the good with the bad. I definitely appreciate being able to make my own stuff at home, but it's lonely sometimes, you know. Absolutely. You're expected as an artist to like figure it out on your own versus yeah having a team of support. I mean, your band is your team, but like every everybody can't invest as as much into it as like a a label could and an AR person that really cared about seeing the project get to its highest point. So it it's got pros and cons, and you know, you just try to navigate where you're at right now.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

I I do feel that um I like it's it's such a hard, like double-edged sword to kind of deal with because like I want anyone to be able to make art, I don't want to gatekeep art, however, I do think that the labels did provide us a level of not necessarily professionalism but kind of uh quality control when anyone can make anything and things like TikTok and Instagram exist, you can pretty much buy success because you can flood the internet with the same sound, and because of our biology, repetition equals you know, a level of success on its own. If you hear the same phrase enough, eventually it'll be something you remember. So um unfortunately, with that mindset, I think that we do need some sort of a quality control to kind of get put back in place. And I don't have the answer to it, but I I think there needs to be something. I don't know yet.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Yeah, I'm not sure. Um, I think one of those things is that people who care invest in their own local scene. Um, there's some guys around here, they they have a group called Indie Rock Catalog, and they try to just make sure people are supporting certain shows and go out and just you know, talk about what's going on. And like in the old days, there were there were fanzines, and that sort of was a hub that brought people together, you know, like what's what's cool to look at and go out and see, and and these zines would talk about what's in going on in the scene, and you know, it just it was something that put energy back in, and I think we have to make that choice. Um, I don't know what's gonna have to happen for people to feel compelled to do that. That's that's a big question, Mark.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

Absolutely. Um, but one final question that I have for you for the interview side. Um, I would like to ask you this question that we ask everybody, or at least have in recent times. Uh what is one artist that you would like to collaborate with?

SPEAKER_00 39:56

Hmm. Well, I'd probably say my buddy Justin Um Hawkins, he's an incredibly talented dude. Um, I mean, we have kind of collaborated, but in a different way. We we did some live streams together during the pandemic. But uh as far as like recording and writing something, that'd be kind of fun. Or one of my heroes, Billy Corgan. Um, I'd just like to sit in a room with him and just be in his mind. I'd I'd love to see how he works in the studio and how he thinks about you know the process. And just I mean, somebody with so much experience, it'd be fun. If it clicked, you never want to force anything. Yeah, yeah. That's the fantasy, is that like you get together and it just clicks and and next thing you know, you wrote a song and it's really good.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

I I think with you and Justin doing something, one of you would have to choose a different octave to sing.

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SPEAKER_00 40:49

Yeah, yeah. No, he would sing. That man is a goddamn powerhouse duet. I think that would be awesome. Yeah, well, I'll take the low one then. But yeah, he's uh he's a much better singer and musician than most people realize. Um, right, right. So I think we could probably crank out something that'd be fun. Just I I want to be good.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

Yeah. Um, the Billy Corgan, that's a great answer, too. Like, I know he's so influential for you, but like tonality-wise, I think you guys offer this difference in your tonality that could be really interesting to the ear. Um your guitar and and band and everything are are very similar melodically. Um but your your tonalities would be really interesting to hear.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

So it would be interesting.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

Um I'm down for it. All right, so uh we have this incredible game that we're gonna play. This is gonna be between you and Taylor.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

So, yes, yeah, you got it to win. So she's been saving her energy the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 41:59

I have.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

But I've been trying to do my best to explain complicated philosophical thoughts, and I've been eating it up.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

No, we uh the dogs are barking. I didn't want it to ruin your your sh your ph philosophicalness.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

My my spiel, your spiel, but then that didn't feel right.

SPEAKER_03 42:20

It sounded, yeah. We knew you were going for spiel, but it I would have been honestly, that would have prompted a conversation after this because I would have been like, yo, dude, that was that was fucked up to say, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Like I was gonna say spiel, and I'm like, it's more than a spiel, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

You know, mute my musings, yes, yes, that is a proper way to say it. Um bear with me just a moment for some reason it's not loading.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

It's bearing both RC, bad boys.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

Uh uh. Anyways, how's everybody's day going, guys?

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Oh, we went two different directions.

SPEAKER_03 43:02

The game is Friday.

SPEAKER_00 43:03

It's it's loading. You know how my day's going. We're talking sleep deprivation. Oh, uh here.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

You know what? I'm just gonna give you the bad news. I I hate to have to do this to you. Anyone that anybody that tells you that it gets better, I'm waiting for that day. It hasn't happened yet. There have been glimpses, there have been glimpses where things will be good for a little bit, and then out of nowhere it goes so south.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

Oh, yep.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

Oh my.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

I I hate to give you that terrible news, but well, you still have uh a sparkle about you, so I feel pretty good. Maybe the the joy of the child is do you drink you drink coffee?

SPEAKER_03 43:43

I was gonna say if you drink coffee, yeah, roughly an entire kettle a day. So yeah, that's gonna transition. I went from one coffee a day to an entire thing of coffee, but wasn't it wasn't one coffee?

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Wasn't a lot.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

Well, a couple, anyways. We have this awesome game. Uh, since you are a very playful guy and love a uh play on words per se, this game is called Is That a Song? Or are you just happy to see me?

SPEAKER_02 44:23

That's funny. Did you draw the little guy?

SPEAKER_03 44:26

Oh, I did. I did.

SPEAKER_02 44:29

Bring it back.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

So what are those happening? Well, I'm gonna read them. That's why it's between you guys. So this is a game where we have two. We we're gonna read a title, and you tell me if it's a song or a euphemism.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

We're gonna say euphemism. Five dollars to who can do it.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

Uh I can do it, but I'm staring at the words, so that's unfair.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

It doesn't count.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

All right, so I'm gonna start with you, Adam. Uh, speaking of which, my son's name is Adam.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

Yeah, I can't believe we went almost 45 minutes and you haven't brought that up.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

Yeah. Cool. Our babies entertainment put on us today. So I have been with him for like 11 hours.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

Went from one Adam to another.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Champion.

SPEAKER_03 45:17

I know, guys. I'm a I'm a survivor.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

Single mom who works too hard, loves her kids and never stops.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

So we're gonna start with you, Adam. The first one is pretty easy, I would say. Come as you are. Yeah. That is Nirvana Taylor.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

Oh, can I inter interject? I just heard some news that they're gonna open the uh death of Kirk Cobain's skin. Have you heard about that? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Um, actually, thanks for bringing that up, Adam. Uh subtle plug over to me, I guess. Uh, on Dark Side of Music, our side show, which is a true crime music podcast that comes out every Friday. We will be doing a part two to the Kurt Cobain story where we are going to follow up on all of this new evidence. That'll be coming to you in a couple weeks. Yeah. Anyways, um, check out Dark Side of Music. Yes, we did we did an entire episode um about Kurt Cobain last week, actually.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

And and this was before the news, or yes, unfortunately, it was before the news.

SPEAKER_03 46:23

That's wild. So we just covered the entire story front to back recently, and when the news came out, I I texted my my co-host and I said, Hey, I think the FBI listened to our episode. I was because it was the next day that it came, it came out, and then the next day that news broke.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

You flagged something in the system.

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SPEAKER_03 46:45

So on the show, spoiler alert, on the show, uh, we discussed how it was an impossibility for him to hold the shotgun during uh the event, that that it just was it everything just was adding up and it just didn't seem possible. Um, he had the receipts to the weapon and ammunition in his pocket, which insinuated that he purchased the weapon on the way home, uh, but there were no fingerprints on the weapon, and that was another big one that we talked about for a little bit of how how is it possible that you carried it for miles and no fingerprints?

SPEAKER_00 47:26

So that makes zero sense.

SPEAKER_03 47:29

Yeah, yeah. It's it's gonna be interesting.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

There's a whole there's a whole guy's gonna hire you. Have you gotten any?

SPEAKER_03 47:35

I hope not. I hope not.

SPEAKER_02 47:37

That would be awful.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

I have zero credentials. You're like, listen, FBI, I got podcasts to do, so can we work around? Yeah, well, you're you're a little busy, it can be a little tracking.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

Um, all right, so sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

Oh no, go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

I was gonna say, like, if they did listen, they're like, ah, you know, he might be on or something.

SPEAKER_03 48:00

It's it's like that movie, the the movie Rockstar, but I get I get pulled over to the FBI instead.

SPEAKER_01 48:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:09

Uh you never know when you started a true crime podcast that yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

All right, Taylor. Yeah, bumping uglies. Is that a song or a euphemism?

SPEAKER_02 48:25

I hope it's a song.

SPEAKER_03 48:27

You hope it's a song?

SPEAKER_02 48:29

That's a yeah, I hope it's a song.

SPEAKER_03 48:31

The answer is wrong. It's a euphemism.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

I don't want it explained to me.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

Oh, that's all right. Yeah, I'm not gonna explain, I'm not gonna explain to my little sister any of these.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

That's good.

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SPEAKER_00 48:46

That's indirect. You can listen to vacation sex and figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

At the time when I when I decided this was the game we were gonna do, yeah, Chris was gonna be on the show, not you.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

Oh, so wow, live in hardly hates me. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

Explain thought it was gonna be a guy's night. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

Sorry, guys, my bad. Um Adam.

SPEAKER_03 49:14

Coming in at number three, the question is slow ride. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 49:21

Take it easy.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

I feel like I feel like the way this is is Taylor's gonna get all of the all of the euphemisms.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

Knowing you, I know it's a pattern.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

It's not, it's not. I I had yeah, I I typed them, uh speaking of using AI, I typed them all into chat GPT and had it randomize them for me and spit it.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

You can you can you can literally do that through Excel to randomize that? I didn't know that. And you're not going to be ruining our resources by using AI. We'll talk about this later.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

All right, so Taylor, Netflix and Jill, euphanism. Yes, that is correct.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

So it's that's that's my day and age.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

It is two to one right now. This one's interesting, Adam. The stroke, yeah, Billy, Billy Squire, Squire. I almost said idol, and I knew that was right. I'm like, why am I saying that?

SPEAKER_00 50:24

I know better.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

Billy Squire.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

Billy Eyelash.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

All right, Taylor, rolling in the hay, euphemism. Yes, all right. Now we're now we're getting somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 50:41

Makes sense. That one makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 50:43

Um, Adam, big balls. Weird thing to say in the same sentence. There's big balls, got to big balls, but we got the biggest balls, Taylor. Have you ever heard that song? No, no, oh, it's great, it's a great song. ACBC. Was that was that on the album with Dirty Deeds? I don't know. I don't know which one that was on. Me either. I'm gonna have to look that up later.

SPEAKER_02 51:12

Um, I have an observation I think it's really funny. Yes, you say Adam's name the same way that you're talking to your son.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

I know, I know. I'm trying, I'm trying not to. Taylor's the only one that could know that. So yeah, and I just pat me on the head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Um here.

SPEAKER_02 51:37

Do you know how to count to 10 yet?

SPEAKER_00 51:40

No, just four. I'm a musician.

SPEAKER_02 51:44

Three on a good day.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

Anyhow, Taylor. Taking the Browns to the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

What?

SPEAKER_03 51:52

Taking the Browns to the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_02 51:55

Euphemism. Ain't never gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Guys, I got that one, and it was recorded, my friends.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

I'm gonna try and say this differently now. Adam.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

Adam.

SPEAKER_00 52:09

Dropping the kids off at the pool. Man, if somebody ever wrote that a song with that title, it'd be great, but of course it's uh it's a saying. It is in fact a saying.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

Um Taylor. Yeah, afternoon delight. It is a song.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

I know that one.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

Adam. Dancing the horizontal mambo. A euphemism, it is technically, technically, it is because the song is just called Horizontal Mambo by the incredible Here Come the Mummies. Fantastic band.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

Uh but dancing is not the song.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

Oh, Adam, you would love Here Come the Mummies. Oh, yeah. Do you love euphemisms? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:07

Are those the guys that have Cowbill belts on the case? Yes. Yep. That's them. Somebody told me about that and thought it was just amazing.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

They're they're incredible in concert. It's it's a experience. Um Taylor. Oh no, I'm sorry, Adam. Push it. Yeah, salt and paper. Push it. There we go. Taylor.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

She bop. Now we're getting to the hard ones.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Is that not what that song's called?

SPEAKER_03 53:48

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 53:51

I got it. I'm gonna go euphemism.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

No, it is not. It is a song. Um, Adam, getting some strange.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

I mean, it is a euphemism. Somebody should also make a song out of that one. It is a euphemism.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

Yeah. All right. Coming on, coming on to the to the ending uh, I think 10. Um Taylor. Okay. Oh, let's let's do a point recap real quick. Uh one, two, three.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

Oh, you've been counting.

SPEAKER_03 54:33

So we are Adam is at eleven and Taylor is at seven. So it's anybody's game.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Okay. Adam, you know what six seven is, right?

SPEAKER_00 54:48

Six seven?

SPEAKER_02 54:52

Um do you know the meme?

SPEAKER_00 54:54

No, uh, I'm interpreting that in a dirty way. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

No, no, no. Anytime you hear the word six seven from now on, you have to go, six seven do that's that's you you have to. It's all of all of his friends with children are gonna all of his friends with children are gonna be pissed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want to ruffle some feathers, it's a new kid thing, man. It's it's it's a video of some kid just going six seven, and it's really funny. We mean it's not funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

All right, Taylor, yeah, sledgehammer song. It is a song, it is a song. I thought for sure you would get that one wrong.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

I I don't know how old Taylor is, but do you know the song? No chance, not a chance. Oh, you must listen to this song and see the video.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Okay, Taylor is you're what 24? I am, and I am 31.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

I also know nothing about music at all. Like, if you start naming songs, if if you play it, I'm like, yeah, I know it. You give me a song name.

SPEAKER_03 56:10

She is, I would say, like a pop. She loves pop music, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

Pop and RB.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

Yeah, yeah. Those are my go-to. Sledgehammer was unavoidable in the 80s in the video song. Had a lot to do with that, and uh, yeah, it's just a cool freaking song.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

So yeah, I'll have to check it out.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

Adam, visiting the porcelain throne.

SPEAKER_00 56:37

Okay, now that definitely is a euphemism. I don't know if it's a song, so I'm just gonna go with euphemism.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

Yes, it is a euphemism. Uh, again, should be a song, though. Somebody should definitely yeah, you're kidding me. Great pseudo cowboys title. Like that's a that's a great Iron Maiden tune right there. Yeah, Taylor Milkshake.

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SPEAKER_02 57:01

Well, milkshake brings all the voice to the uh and they're like, it's better than yours. Of course that's a song.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

You guys should do a cover of Milkshake, that would be great.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

That would be so fun.

SPEAKER_03 57:17

Um okay, all right. So that puts Taylor at 789, and you are at 12. All right. Parking the beef bus, Adam.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Um, I'm just gonna for fun, you say that's a song. It is, it is not a song.

SPEAKER_03 57:42

I imagine it was also what a what a wild saying. When I was looking these up, I was like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

To me, that sounded like it could be like an EDM track.

SPEAKER_03 57:57

Yes, yeah, absolutely. Um, but unfortunately it's not. And also when you when you look these phrases up, if if you're doing it at home, if you look these phrases up, they give descriptions, and that's all I'm gonna say. Oh, okay. All right. Uh Taylor, yeah, let's get it on.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

That is a song, and I believe it is by Marvin Gay.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

It is. There you go. There you go. Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 58:29

Do you want to know how I know that?

SPEAKER_03 58:31

From the let's uh the Marvin Gay song with uh uh what's her name, Megan Trainer and Charlie Pooth. Charlie Pooth.

SPEAKER_02 58:39

Let's Marvin Gay and get it on.

SPEAKER_00 58:42

Yep, yep, yep. I knew it.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:46

So because I missed the last question, I lost all my points. Taylor wins.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

Almost, almost. Um, but you guys are neck and neck now. It is 10 to 12. Um we have two more. Seeing a man about a horse, Adam. Seeing a man about a horse.

SPEAKER_00 59:06

That's definitely a euphemism.

SPEAKER_03 59:09

That is definitely a euphemism.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Can you say it one more time for me?

SPEAKER_03 59:15

Seeing a man about a horse. Which also I think it, I think it was in a movie as well. I can't remember which movie. Something like that, yeah. Uh last one, Taylor.

SPEAKER_02 59:33

Wait, can I guess? Can I guess please say it's Sable Horse Ride a Cowboy? Or or please say it's London Bridge.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

It is not. It is hard to handle.

SPEAKER_02 59:52

I'm gonna go euthanism.

SPEAKER_03 59:54

It is not, it is a song.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

No, well, I guess we're both at zero.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:02

I was gonna say, Adam runs away with the win on that one just barely. That was that was a good game, guys. Oh man winners here. That's right, that's right. Adam, please tell the people where they can find you, where to access your stuff, and if you guys are doing any dates.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:26

Yeah, so for a laugh, watch our YouTube videos the at the pseudo cowboys YouTube channel. I guarantee there's something there to make you laugh. If you like vacation sex, if you're down with uh 80s action heroes, that's the place to be. And then, of course, you can follow us on Instagram at the pseudo cowboys. And uh check out our Patreon if anybody out there wants to support a hardworking, independent group that makes their own content and has fun with their super fan base. Like patreon.com slash the sudo cowboys is where you can support us and be a part of that community. It's actually pretty worldwide, believe it or not. So I believe some cool people. Sometimes these people meet up and go see concerts, it's really it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

I I will be joining it. I will be joining it. Um I check it out for free. Yeah, I did see uh I've never done Patreon before. You'll be my first one.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

Um cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:19

Romantic.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

I've been posting some baby tips on there because you know, right now I can't do much music. Right. So you'll have to see if you agree with some of my my dad hacks. We try anything, don't we?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:33

Well, actually, you know what? Speaking of Patreon, we also have a Patreon, I just never talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

Is that right? You do?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:40

Okay, yeah, I'll join it. Okay, I I signed up for Patreon a long time ago and then forgot about it. Uh we should probably we should probably be promoting that, Taylor. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:52

Oh guys, I forgot.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:54

Oh no, well, you know, the difficult thing is if I can take a little bit more time, is explaining this to people. Um, yeah, you know, so for those listening, it's like basically a super fan club where you can choose to kick in money monthly and it helps people get to do what they're trying to do. And uh as a result, you get benefits, but really it's more just um belonging to something that you want to see stay alive, and it and it really, really helps. It really helps. So if you support this podcast, do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:24

Yeah, thanks, man. Um we I I do put stuff up over there. Uh we try and put um playlists of all the artists that we have on the show. Um, we have cooking playlists on there for any of you chefs out there that have liked our our cooking channel that we do on YouTube. Um, we try and put together cooking playlists for the recipes that we're cooking over there. Um, and I'm gonna start doing vlogs now. Oh, there you go. That's breaking news.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:55

Yeah, breaking news. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

Yeah, I think we can even collaborate there if you if you yeah, I think there is a way to link what we're doing. So we'll we'll do that. We'll join each other's and heck yeah, experiment with that. You know, there we go.

Songwriting Roots And Beatles Education

SPEAKER_02 1:03:09

Yeah, whoa. Um, so it is fun sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

The pseudo cowboys, the pseudo cowboys is the band Adam. Thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you. Um, I just want to pull this up real quick because I want to shout out a specific song uh that I did not talk about. Um, and I apologize. Um, I'm a terrible host, but there there was a specific song that I wanted to tell the audience to listen to because I really, really enjoyed it. Dirty Penny. I am so sorry, I forgot to bring that up in the interview, but I really love Dirty Penny. Um yeah, yeah, man. I thought that was such a really cool like song, and I just what did you what did you interpret from that? That's what I'm really interested in. Interpret not much per se, but the guitar as a guitar player, yeah, I really love the guitar riff in that song.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

Fun, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:21

Yeah, um, no, I I was much more focused on interpreting your newer stuff because I wanted to make sure I covered all of that. Yeah, that's kind of you.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

Yeah, I really, really love the the just the orchestration of the song. So well, if anybody has a stalker, then that song might ring true for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:40

I'm gonna have to go listen to it now. A stalker. Oh, that's funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

Adam, thank you so much for being on the show, man. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

Yeah, thanks, y'all. You're amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

Yeah, you're welcome to each other anytime you know anytime.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

Keep making stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:57

Absolutely. And if you're ever in the Virginia area, you're not far, man. I I would love to come out and see you guys. What part of Virginia again? Uh, Virginia Beach area.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:06

Oh, okay, cool. Right on. Well, I hope we get to go up there and play soon. So, yeah, we'll see what happens. Absolutely. Hey, you and Laura Nicole, you and Laura Nicole could come. Yeah, uh, we are doing some shows together this summer, so maybe we can scoot up there. Yeah, heck yeah. It's a good team. All right, man. Well, thank you again. Thanks, guys. So much fun. Have a great day.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:31

Enjoy that, baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:35

Tell tell your wife you're gonna be on for another like hour or so and just kick back.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:39

Yeah, and just hang out on your phone or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:41

I'll send her a text.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:47

All right, man. Have a great night.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:49

All right, you too.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:55

All right, that's a bad from the pseudo cowboys, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Is everything that I want to encomp encompass? Encompass? Is that the right word? Encompass as a human. That's why I think so. That's right. That's right, that's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:15

Anywho, um Chris was not able to join the show. Unfortunately, he is having some tech issues, however, um, however, he sends his regards and uh misses being on the show and misses everybody. Um he's gonna listen to this. So, Chris, we're sorry that you weren't here. We miss you.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:36

Love you.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:37

There don't stress about it. There will be plenty of other shows to be on. Uh, but this was a great one. I really love Adam and uh truly I really do love the pseudo cowboys. I think they're so fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:49

Um they sound incredible.

See The Sunshine And AI In Music

SPEAKER_03 1:06:52

The music is fantastic. Uh, so please go check them out, download their stuff. Um, they're their videos are so funny. Uh like we didn't dive funny, we didn't dive a lot into the music video because I wanted to get to the game. Uh yeah, but there's a part in the music video where they're like going through the the store and he's got the shopping cart. I watched it, yeah, and he's like exploring the stuff and doing the dance.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:18

He's like, yeah. Racks me up, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:22

All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:23

They're great.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:24

Uh I guess go check out our Patreon. Uh go check out our website, check out our merch store. But more important than any of that, please like and subscribe on the YouTube page and give us a follow over on the Instagram. Really helps us out. That's how we got the pseudo cowboys on. So if you want more fun interviews like that and you want to keep the the interviews rolling and keep them coming, that helps.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:50

Do you want to hear something really funny? This is for everyone listening too. So Harley sends out like a like a doc that we look at, which by the way, if you care, I Did look at anywho. So he sends out this doc, but I got the notification for the um stream yard before I looked at the dock. And it's when we were talking about doing the show, just the quick show, the two of us. And I thought you named it the pseudo cowboys. And I was like, that's an interesting take. I'm here for it. Let's see if the train goes. This makes a lot more sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:28

Anywho.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:30

Um, no, they're they're awesome, and uh, like I said, I really, really enjoy their music. Um, so please go check them out, guys. Thanks for hanging out with us. This has been another episode of the Hook and Bridge Podcast, your number one music podcast. Tell everybody. Now, I I guess that's another thing. Sorry, I know I'm taking forever. That's another thing I should be saying to the audience is if you're not gonna like and subscribe, if you're not gonna follow the Instagram, and you're just a happy listener, something that you could do that also really just helps us out is tell your friends, tell everybody, tell everybody that you love the show and have them check us out. All right, it has been real, everybody, and peace.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:21

Thanks for listening to the Lincoln Bridge Podcast.