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Five Alive
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Club Q
Speaker 1Hello world , lo here . This is clearly incorrect .
Speaker 2Your children are fucking dying because of this . I'm just trying to see the smiles , the stories . That's what made it important . I am a woman , and there's no denying this from any circumstance , and of course , I was the only one on shrimps . Where do I go from here ? Daniel , derek , kelly , ashley and Raymond .
Speaker 1Hi everybody , it's Lo . I'm here again . I am so excited to have you here today . It's a good one . I'm really proud of it .
Speaker 1I'd actually like to credit this episode with getting me back on my feet . I was going through a depression , a lot of anxiety . If you listened to Ray 2.0 , I talked about some threatening phone calls . I answered while working at Blush in December of 2022 . Well , it was all around the trial , and twice I was with an hour of showing up to a courtroom to testify , and now it's been pushed back to it in half months . So that is what it is , but it was all very looming . It just it added on to a lot of things and it made my life really hard for a while and I couldn't stop thinking about it and people kept telling me to put out more episodes . Thanks , brittany , thank you , thanks everybody . Yeah , and so I did , and I pulled up this , this episode , and it helped me . I don't know it . It drew me in and brought me back . So thank you for please take a moment to like subscribe .
Speaker 1Follow rate review . Yeah , a review would be really helpful . So now , with a broken heart , I give you five . Alive , hello , hello , hello everybody . I have this amazingly cute . Human beings are going to cross from me . They go by Fern .
Speaker 2Hello there .
Speaker 1Tell us about yourself .
Speaker 2My name is Fern . I'm 22 years old . I was a bartender at Club Q In the military . I sell tea now I'm pretty boring .
Speaker 1I don't think it's boring . I mean , tea is fantastically interesting .
Speaker 2It is . I could honestly talk about it all day , from cultivars to aging methods . It's a joy .
Speaker 1So let's spill the tea on tea . What's your favorite one ?
Speaker 2My favorite one is probably something called the Yancha , which means a single origin , single estate tea . So they're typically Oolongs , which means that somewhere between a green tea and a black tea when oxidation they're going to be rolled . So it just kind of creates this wonderful roasty , aromatic flavor .
Speaker 1That sounds absolutely wonderful . Thank you for the tea interlude . Yeah , for sure , we're drinking a little , a little mate right now . Yes , frida , frida is good , it's good Frida's here .
Speaker 2Do you have any tea that you particularly enjoy , or Lately .
Speaker 1I'm into this because it's got a lot of caffeine in it . I do like an Oolong . I'm a fan of most tea . There's this weird black tea that they have in Uganda and they grow it there and it's I don't know . It's got a unique flavor that I really miss . All right , that was the bait and switch part done . Bait and switch , all right . So I guess , yeah , if you're comfortable , let's do it . Trigger warning everybody . We're going to talk about something you probably know about and it is a touchy subject . So we're going to talk about Club Q Fern . How are you associated with this ?
Speaker 2So , like I was saying earlier , I was a bartender there . I actually started bartending at Pride of last year Just got brought into the community . It was fantastic the entire time and then afterwards I definitely distanced myself from a lot of the drama at Club Q , just because there's a lot of division within the community after everything had happened and you've probably seen some of that on the news .
Speaker 2I'm notoriously out of touch . Okay , what kind of debate like . So the owner of Club Q , matthew Hans , along with the employees and contractors of Club Q so that includes bartenders , store security , drag queens just had a lot of disagreements on how money should be distributed and I feel like disagreements is a very light term . So the owner had masked all of the fundraisers that had been donated specifically for the employees and the contractors and this was within like a month after the incident and decided to put it all into the building instead of giving it to the employees and contractors , who were obviously out of job , had no idea what was going on . And then all of a sudden we're like oh yeah , you need to get a job pretty much immediately . Well , that's shitty , yeah for sure . So that's why a lot of division had happened between the community and it was horrific the entire time . And then you'd have people going over to Matthew's side because they thought they could just do more change throughout it . But what's ?
Speaker 1the dude's name again Matthew Haines . Matthew Haines , have a little fucking empathy . Precisely , you know exactly what these people went through because you were part of it too . People need time to recover , like I've been so touchy about this with Fern because I've lost people to traffic accidents and things , and nothing as violent as this and it bugs the shit out of me . I just can't imagine where you're coming from and I think it's a thing our society really doesn't allow for is time to heal and like even respect . You know like there's probably some deep emotional scarring here . How much have you processed ? This is still pretty new .
Speaker 2This is still incredibly new . It's hard to say where I'm actually at in the processing because to certain extent , I did have to kind of just immediate be like , okay , I need to actually figure out how to continue on with life . And so I'm sitting down and processing this and this was about mid-December . You look back on it and it feels like it's a century ago , but at the same time it also feels like it could happen 30 seconds ago , and that's trauma . It's pretty easily summed up , I feel .
Speaker 1It was less than a year ago .
Speaker 2Yeah , it was seven months ago . That's it yeah .
Speaker 1It's amazing how you can distance things in your mind and forget about things , and then sometimes they come back . And did you hear about the perpetrator ?
Speaker 2I did . We were actually celebrating yesterday , so that was a lot of the contractors of Club Q . So we ended up renting out a space in Manitou and the entire time it was just tacos beer karaoke . It was fabulous .
Speaker 1Yeah , let's celebrate throwing a hater in a hole , and that's all we need to call this person , because I don't care . Fuck you .
Speaker 2Oh , absolutely no , it was . This was our victory . And that was just yesterday , for the listeners of the perpetrator did get convicted to , I believe , 137 years in prison .
Speaker 1Yeah , it was five counts of first degree murder and like 124 counts of attempted murder , and then like hundreds of other laws regarding like regulations and things around the weapons and stuff . So , yeah , he's not going anywhere .
Speaker 2Yeah , and then you've also seen some stuff with Polis and Colorado government putting some more restrictions onto weapons after this had all happened , such as putting on wait times , putting on more age restrictions . So hopefully that goes into preventing some of this in the future . Unfortunately , it's still not 100% there .
Speaker 1Yeah , let's talk about gun laws . I mean , this is fucking Colorado . I live in Denver , which is this lovely liberal bastion , but this is the state of Columbine . This isn't the state of the Aurora shooting . And now the state of Club Q also , yeah , I would say we have a problem .
Speaker 2Oh , absolutely , and I don't know why gun control is this constant like left versus right issue , like , your children are fucking dying because of this . This shouldn't be something that conservatives and our liberals should be arguing about . It should be something that we band together and be like no , this is an actual problem . We need to go in and figure out how to stop this at the source . Yeah , and then if you look at all of the shootings that have happened , even in 2023 alone , there've been well over 100 where people have died already . And we're what , six months in ?
Speaker 1That's absurd . It's just it become a thing that people do . It's a uniquely American phenomenon and it deeply upsets me . It goes back to these older ideas of American freedom . And to quote Bean , who's been on this show many times , you're bringing a gun to a drone fight . How fucking stupid are you ? You're a 50 caliber . That's why they brought tanks into Waco , because they had a 50 caliber . That's what they're just gonna do to you . You're not gonna fight anybody . You pull out weapons that big , they're gonna drop a bomb on your house .
Speaker 2Absolutely . I'm all here for weapons being used for self-defense if you need it , Like if you have a shotgun , whatever . Not for me , but if you really need that to feel secure , go for it . But why the hell do you need an assault weapon ? A weapon where assault is the first letter has one purpose to slaughter humans .
Speaker 1Yeah , a military grade war death machine . That is not the 20 caliber single barrel single shot shotgun . I took trap and skeet shooting in my teenage years . That was a rather cultural and fun , almost wholesome activity , and with that gun I could barely hurt a person . I think you said it best your children are dying , and it's not the right's children or the left's children or the white people and the biopic people , it is everyone's children .
Speaker 2And at what point ? What percentage do we call this like an emergency issue , because I would argue Columbine should have been the . What the fuck are we doing ? Someone's coming into a school and it's continued happening .
Speaker 1If you listen to Dean Mom , one of my last episodes I interview my mother because we've had two very intimate encounters with gun violence in our life . And when I was in sixth grade there was a shooting at my school two years before Columbine . And how did a 12 year old get a gun , with mental health issues ? And then years later , a teacher I worked with somebody knocked on his door and shot him , and it was a 19 year old kid who was just an idiot
Transgender Experiences, Submarine Disaster, Trauma
Speaker 1.
Speaker 2Oh , my God .
Speaker 1Do you need that power people ? Are you so scared ? Why are you scared ? Fern here and I , I guess we're who you're scared of , and I don't think you should be scared of us .
Speaker 2I'm just scared of you , perfectly friendly . Worst thing I'll do is drink some tea and do some math maybe , maybe touch some pot .
Speaker 1Whoa , oh , my God . I mean , according to Nixon , that would make you evil .
Speaker 2I know right .
Speaker 1Honestly , I think the math is where you lose most people . Have you noticed the bizarre coincidence of the number of trans women in tech ?
Speaker 2Yes , if you go into a computer science major as a cis male , you're leaving as a trans female .
Speaker 1Yes , there's like a reasonable percentage chance of that happening . I think it's a lot like people with autism and social disorders gravitating to the sciences . It's not that it draws them in , it doesn't kick them out .
Speaker 2Exactly .
Speaker 1Nobody cares , as long as you're good enough .
Speaker 2Yeah , you don't actually have to talk to people if you go into this career . You can just sit in a desk and do your equations and make us money and you're good .
Speaker 1You know what ? This is going to be a fun interview . We're going to go everywhere . We're just going to talk about fun stuff . You're not high . This is like a get-in-high with low . I love it . Do you want to be high ?
Speaker 2I am all good .
Speaker 1Wonderful .
Speaker 2I feel like I'm just in body highness within myself .
Speaker 1You have a lovely energy . I really like it .
Speaker 2Thank you .
Speaker 1Yeah , god , I forgot what I was talking about Random shenanigans , random shenanigans , all right . What do you think about this titan disaster ?
Speaker 2Oh my God , the submarine . Yeah Well , two billionaires died , so hell yeah , I feel like the entire thing is just ridiculous . It's been like a real-life soap opera .
Speaker 1It really has . I think Obama nailed it when he talked about the people off of Greece who sunk and nobody seemed to fucking notice . As far as I'm concerned , this was some version of four suicides and a murder of a 19-year-old , or a suicide and four murders . This was negligence to the nth degree . It was stupid . It proves that rich people are dumb . Because that stuff looked like shit Carbon fiber repeatedly . There's this thing called lifespan . You can take a carbon fiber submarine down one time . I don't care what people think . Those people were stupid . I have all the empathy in the world for the family members and for the 19-year-old , and especially the woman who lost her husband and child , but to the adults who got on that thing .
Speaker 2Ridiculous . Yeah , it does go to show that you can't just solve all your issues with money and the fact that you endangered human lives for some stupid exploration mission , that there is no value being gained from this .
Speaker 1I heard a lot of people talking about science , like , oh , they were trying to push the bounds of science . No , it was a tourist mission to the Titanic . I asked James Cameron , he would know . I don't know , fern , what you got for me .
Speaker 2What do I got ? You're pretty young , I am yes .
Speaker 1When did you know you were queer ?
Speaker 2There was definitely a lot of hints early on of even just being like a little five-four-year-old me being like why am I not allowed to wear dresses ? Why am I not allowed to have dolls like the other girls ? This doesn't make sense to me and my family was very hard on like no , you were a man and you will do all the manly things , and I feel like this is kind of a repeated story throughout a lot of trans youth .
Speaker 1I mean they've done 10 million movies about the guy getting the girl . I think we can tell the same story of coming out . I've only done 31 episodes . There's less than 10 million .
Speaker 2I think the point that I actually kind of accepted , though , was probably senior year of high school Granted freshman year of high school at an amazing friend we'll call her Rose and I would text her and be like is it possible to bring in a dress that I could try on at school ? And this was freshman year and she was an amazing ally . We'll never forget her . But senior year I had kind of taken a moment to myself . I'm like , no , I'm gonna sit down and I'm actually gonna focus on who am I and stop caring what everyone else thinks , and I'm just gonna do that , because why would I torture myself to appease other people ? That's not living . That's having a terrible acting career for your entire life .
Speaker 1It's well put , it's like I don't like Halloween anymore and people are like why I only got fucking wore a costume for 32 years . Oh my God , I've had enough fucking Halloweens okay .
Speaker 2Where are you from ? I've pretty much been in Colorado my whole life , so started in Denver , moved up to the Springs , then back down in Denver Okay , because the Springs was traumatizing as hell .
Speaker 1I have been there like three times since I transitioned yes , frida , aw , baby girl , and every time , walking down the street , I got dirty fucking looks . And that is my experience with Colorado Springs .
Speaker 2Oh for sure . I remember during Pride someone called me a fag on the shirt . It really that's the best you can do , like I would rather not get harassed just walking from point A to point B .
Speaker 1I think that's the appropriate response at this point . Like really , dude , can you at least throw a little flair at it ? Somebody called me faggoty and I thought you know that's a new one . Hey , a little variety , Thanks . You know , it's the spice of life , Exactly .
Speaker 2Yeah , being able to work with dry queens for six months was fantastic , because I got all of the insults a vastly higher level than any conservative could ever throw at me .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , we can dish on each other .
Speaker 2Oh , for sure it's , great .
Speaker 1It is . It is one of those things that I think straight people will never get , or the people who aren't like in a small group and just you know being a woman is almost enough , but like to go to a place that is designated for people like you because you can't exist anywhere else and be yourselves . This is trauma people . This is how you deal with it . You make it stupid , angry , sick jokes to your friends that are violent , offensive , but you know what . It somehow makes you feel better .
Speaker 2Oh , absolutely , queer trauma is the best .
Speaker 1Trauma bonding is a real thing . And actually now , thinking back to it , a friend of mine passed when I was in the Pete's Corp . They were hit by a drunk driver Nothing that just doesn't happen anywhere . And that was largely . Our response was we all huddled together and we were just kind of crude and vulgar for about two days . We weren't talking about the tragedy , just about in general things , and that was our process . And now it kind of leads me to wonder , like , did you guys do something similar or different ?
Speaker 2The way I had kind of processed through a lot of the trauma is any of the five that died Derek , daniel , ashley , kelly Ray . They wouldn't tolerate us crying and being sad about them . They would want us to harass them the entire time . And every time I think about Derek I miss the man dearly because he was a grumpy ass Italian man and was just one of the most amazing people you'll ever meet . But I'll never stop insulting him because I did that in life . So why would I treat him any different now that he's gone ?
Speaker 1I still call my brother . He's been gone for six years now as shit head to people because he was . If he shouted butt head into a room I would turn around . You know it's . I think that's kind of important . Like people , if this hasn't touched your life , it's going to . I mean , I don't know if there's anybody out there who hasn't lost somebody in some kind of horrible way anymore these days . And it's the thing is you got to keep them alive .
Speaker 2Oh , for sure .
Speaker 1Yeah , you can be sad Also . Yeah , man , if I was an asshole to you , like I died in 20 years later and you remember me being a dick , you can go fuck you low . You know , keep me alive , keep me in your thoughts , and I think that's really important . So can you say their five names again ?
Speaker 2Yeah , absolutely , it's Daniel , derek , Kelly , ashley and Raymond .
Speaker 1So I would like to dedicate my entire show to these people , because it's it hurts . I just I shouldn't know their names , I shouldn't know who they are .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Oh fuck , now I'm crying .
Speaker 2I do appreciate that and I know they will as well . So I know that all of them were just the life of a party . I can go to all of them and say that some of them are the most caring people I had ever met and they always had a smile on their face , even with , like the rebuilding of the building , club queue . I don't think it will ever be club queue again , because they were core people of that bar . You didn't go to the gay bar to see a building . You went to see the people . You went to see the smiles , the stories . That's what made it important and I do think , looking back on it , if Matthew happens to listen to this podcast , for whatever reason , if you cut out the people from this story and you just try to erect a monument in a building , it's not going to be the same . You need the people , the community . That's what's going to draw people in , because it was a shitty ass bar .
Speaker 1This is the best ones , oh absolutely . I think you're right . People get confused . The monument isn't the thing that's built of stone , it's the people and the thoughts and being live in memory . That's the monument . You put the stone there to help people get there , but you can't forget . That's not it .
Speaker 2Yeah so .
Speaker 1So , dude , fuck , you , give these people some fucking money . You want to come on this show ? We can talk about it . I've had fucking beef on here before . I would love it . I love it . This is local . I'm talking to a lot of people who are going to go to your bar . Denver and Colorado Springs Queers are like the only people that regularly listen to my show . So we got a voice to them . You fucker . Twice traumatized .
Speaker 2All here for the local queer podcasts .
Speaker 1Yeah , there's like two of us in town , I don't know . I think it's great on Spotify , so I listen to my show just all the fucking time . I mean , if you had a show , wouldn't you ? Oh ?
Speaker 2absolutely . I love the sound of my own voice .
Speaker 1And it goes do you want to see more like this ? And I go , oh god , I'm so curious . And I click it and it goes we couldn't find anything . I adore that I guess the next thing I want to talk about is um shrooms , shrooms , shrooms yeah , okay , so my experience with shrooms is fairly recent .
Speaker 2I think my first instance of taking them was December 13th of 2022 . It was so incorrectly done . You know , I've heard going into the forest is the best thing and I was the only one that can drive with a group that I went with and , of course , I was the only one on shrooms . That's amazing . So this is a great start . There's no way to get home until I sober up and I'm just in the woods tripping my ass off . It was marvelous .
Speaker 1I feel the woods is truly excellent . My first time tripping , I was dragged to the woods in New York in the mountains and it was like March and there was snow and I was new to snow and God , that was a fun time . But and bring them up , because I think we've both been using them quite successfully lately to help us heal from some things , and you just mentioned that you had used them and do you think they helped you with the trauma or with ? Tell me in your own words .
Speaker 2I would absolutely say that they've helped me with my trauma from quite a few different perspectives . Obviously , with the club queue incident , it helped me process the death of a lot of my friends and family that had died that night , and I just gotten me quicker to that acceptance stage of I will duly miss these people for the rest of my life , but I also do want to carry on their stories , their legacy , their smiles and that's a realization that had helped me grew the usage of shrooms along with a lot of my depression . My anxiety had very quickly cleared up . Obviously there's still a huge part of me missing and that's something that can only be filled through time and it's never gonna be completely healed . But there's going to be different branches from that . But I can absolutely say that my perspective on the world has just changed more towards gratitude since initially taking them and I've done maybe three sessions with mushrooms , but I can say that each one has had a positive experience , from dealing with gender dysphoria to where one of my trips was just pure gender euphoria , like my entire existence was .
Speaker 2Yeah , I am a woman and there's no denying this from any circumstance to even just moving on . I had time to settle with the loss of my loved ones .
Navigating Healing and Mental Health
Speaker 2Where do I go from here ? How do I help heal further ? What is that healing process ? Is it erecting a building or is it carrying on these stories as a engaging with my community , bringing up the community , giving protections to trans women in Florida , texas , louisiana , uganda ? And how can I help engage that healing outside of my bubble and helping to reach out and heal other people ? And that is the legacy that was carried on , I feel that's good .
Speaker 1That sounds really healthy to me like you're doing the work and they're just helping to get there . But you know you still have to do the work oh , absolutely , and I've barely started on that work .
Speaker 2It's been small donations from here on out . It's been quick Facebook post , quick Instagram post , connecting with people . There's been some healing on like a political scale of looking at how does media release a video of homicide , and that's been more on like local within my personal bubble and what I have control over , but making sure that a video that gets released of clubcube doesn't go out to everybody , because what harm can be brought from that . So I'm trying to see where I can help in what I can do . It's a slow process . I've started that process and I think that's the most important part .
Speaker 1I think you nailed it on the head . Starting it is the most important part , and I'm just going to tell you that you're broken . Whoever you are we all are you have trauma you have not dealt with . If I'm wrong , you're the healthiest team in being on the planet , so I think you can handle this . So a friend threw a bag of shrooms at me and I won and I felt better . I didn't trip or anything and I know now that's because I was on a fantastic amount of antidepressants After my brother passed . I went through a couple severe traumas and then a couple more and my mind broke in half and for years if I wasn't on 200 milligrams of Zoloft and like 50 of Abilify , I would be scared to leave my house or do anything . It just existed I would . How would you crazy shit See over there that surveyors pendulum ?
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1I keep that there as a reminder . I used to hang those things all over my house because they wobble when people hit them and you can't stop them , so I would know just like silly things . Because I had so much anxiety and somehow a hanging pendulum made me feel a little better and so I ate one shroom and not much happened . And then so a couple days later I tried a little more and I felt , you know , I got some , some mood enhancement and I think this is the part of the didn't trip In vaginistic episode I recorded , like back in February or something . I probably ate an eighth of mushrooms on the show and I don't trip . But I feel so much better than the next day I start decreasing my antidepressants .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I remember earlier , as I was walking in , you were talking to your doctor and he was saying that you pretty much don't . Oh , she had my bad , good old patriarchy making assumptions out of myself that she was saying that you don't .
Speaker 1Or you were going to her and saying you don't need antidepressants anymore , right , I saw her today actually because I am having gastric issues people , we don't need to talk about my bathroom habits but she was updating my med list and go you are in this year . I said , listen , I go . No . And she goes . What did you do ? I go , well , the increments that they put me on it and it upped it . I went down on that and I waited a week and reevaluated and then I just kept doing that and now I'm off of them and after six years it's like I forgot that people feel this much .
Speaker 2It's weird . That's a huge step . Congratulations .
Speaker 1Thank you .
Speaker 2I know that's so significant .
Speaker 1I had a little emotional bump the other day and I handled it . I got sad but I dealt with it and I'm not sad anymore and I think , fuck that shit might have worked . It blows my mind and I love that my doctor , because we're in Denver , one of the only fucking places in America where mushrooms are legal and her response was well , that's cool .
Speaker 2Mental health . It's a big topic . I feel like it's definitely a very strong thing in America . There's a lot of realization that America had kind of suffered a mental health crisis , I would say , especially around the epidemic or pandemic of COVID in 2020 .
Speaker 1Oh , yeah , anxiety went to the roof that year .
Speaker 2Oh , absolutely , and the fact that people were being locked inside , and I think that's created a huge upsurge on how therapy is respected , the accessibility of therapy within America , and I think that's a trajectory that's important to keep going on . I also think there's been a lot more conversations about kind of deconstructing this hypermasculine view of no , you need to seal all your emotions up , and I do feel like there's been a little bit of a paradigm shift in that People are starting to be like no , emotions are important . We need to actually focus on this .
Speaker 1Yeah , and you brought up something good and something I mentioned before . It's actually when my brother passed . I still presented mail then and the thing I learned actually kind of interesting to see how you were treated as a male . Your emotions are seen as anger , like you're not allowed to be sad , you're pissed off . And if you're viewed as female , it's exact opposite You're not allowed to be angry , you're crying and emotional and whining . You have to let men be sad . Don't assume a man is angry because he's upset . Assume he's angry because he makes a violent action . I'm not saying don't protect yourself , but there were times when I was crying and people that I thought loved me left me because they were scared I was going to hurt them , when all I had done was cry .
Speaker 2I definitely felt that growing up as a kid , especially as I was in high school , I had some unstable family stuff but definitely the big one was when I would have a moment and I would start crying . I would have my family get incredibly scared and it didn't make sense to me because I'm like I'm not doing anything , I'm taking time and I'm saying I need a space to myself to cry and I need to set this boundary , and then I'd get that boundary invaded and then it would constantly be this no , why are you crying ? This isn't okay and this constant denial of my feelings and this almost fear of those feelings . So , yeah , that's a fantastic point that you've made , thank you .
Speaker 1It's a weird one , fern , but I'm liking it . We're bouncing all over the fucking place . Yeah , you have emotions , you do . You got to respect them . If you're a man , you have those too . If you're not a man , and you know , men let them cry , because it's better that they cry than they hit you or me . That's the one I'm really worried about people , because people throw shit at me walking down the street , sometimes Like why ? Because they see a representation of manhood they don't like .
Speaker 2Also , people just kind of need to mind their own fucking business . If you're not hurting anyone , I feel like there shouldn't be . It's actually really funny because if someone steals something and runs away down the street , most people are going to look and be like , oh , someone else is going to solve that , whatever . But if you actually see someone minding their own business not hurting anyone , not really even engaging anyone all of a sudden , that's when you're angry . That's the confusing aspect , yeah that's a very relevant point .
Speaker 1Our gay bars are very real . Well , you push this out of your society . You don't want us , so we found our own place . And what do you do ? You show up with a gun . We're not the issue here . We're not the ones attacking people . We're trying to exist and fucking even left you alone . What more do you fucking want from us ? But we do exist .
Speaker 2They want us to pretend like we don't , but I think that does go back to that . You need to let men process , you need to let men cry and to have these feelings , because if you don't acknowledge it , then you're going to take it out on someone else . You're going to see a trans woman and reflect on them for whatever reason You're like . No , this person can have feelings , so they're invalid and that's something that I need to err , kill .
Speaker 1Err kill . Yeah , good words , sometimes the simple ones are the best . Alright , you have anything else you'd like to say ?
Speaker 2I think I'm all good Anything you want to ask , since we're going on this very sporadic kind of conversation . Are you on hormones ? I am . I am just about to hit a gear on hormones .
Speaker 1Okay , so you have such a slight figure that when I met you it was rather dark and I didn't know you were trans , until you walked up to my door and I saw you in daylight and I went . Oh , so good for you . You have such a ladylike energy .
Speaker 2Thank you .
Speaker 1And yeah , I just thought I'd drop that .
Expressing Gratitude and Farewell
Speaker 1Alright , everybody , I hope you had a good time . I literally laughed and cried . I hope you did too , and I hope I don't know . I just hope you feel better .
Speaker 2Yeah , it was great being on this podcast and being able to tell my story and have this great back and forth conversation , so thank you .
Speaker 1Thank you , fern . See you everybody . What'd you think ? I hope you enjoyed it . I hope you learned something . Maybe you felt something . I really want to thank Fern . That was an honest and beautiful interview . So thank you , fern . If you enjoyed the show and want to leave a tip , hit that support the show link and if you haven't already remember to like , subscribe , rate and leave a review . You can always send me an email at queerlyincorrectgmailcom and , wherever you are , wherever you are , have a good one . Thank you , queerly Incorrect is produced by Queerly .
