Will Doomsday or Spiderman Make More Money??? | WFTN #137

BOOMMMMMM baby we are back with another banger episode... and we got the boy MEMISHHHH joining us for it as we have a big nerdy box office debate, and break down our 2 weekly shows. Comment and let us know if you disagree with our big debate and leave your 2 cents so we can combat it on next weeks episode!!

Time Codes
0:00 Memish Is Here!!!
5:30 Going Over Comments With Memish
21:00 Box Office Debates, Spiderman or Doomsday?
52:05 Devil Wears Prada 2 Review
1:04:20 The Boys S5 Episode 5 Review
1:42:15 Daredevil Born Again S2 Episode 7 Review
2:19:30 Outro

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Transcript

SPEAKER_09 0:01

Welcome back to the Worse of the Nerds podcast. We definitely weren't watching a cam rip of my first acting role ever in Devil Wars Prada 2. Me and Charlie have made it big, boys. We're gonna fucking clean up box office. Uh Charlie's Michael's security guard, and I'm uh I don't know, a suit in Devil Wars Prada 2. You have to give a little more context. Yeah. So Charlie watched Devil Wars Prada 2 this weekend, and uh he texted me actually like 30 minutes before we left to our screening, and he said, Dude, uh this dude looks exactly like Aiden. Just talking about this actor that had a speaking role that looked exactly like me. Doppelganger, him and his fiance were looking at each other because they were so uh dead set on this looked exactly like me. Um, so I texted him and I said, Well, I'm I'm about to go watch it in like 30 minutes, so I'm excited to see. Well, part of his message was you said I look like um Michael Jackson's security guard, and and Michael, which I think he really does, it's actually hilarious. Um he said you said that this is nothing, chat. This is nothing in comparison to that.

SPEAKER_07 1:16

I just want you to know, mine is real. Mine is real. This is his is imaginary.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

So we did bring out the speaker and that guy did just look like Vin Diesel and not like Charlie.

SPEAKER_09 1:28

They have the same, they have the same beard uh structure, anyways. Oh I had said that he looked like Bill Bray. Um, and he said, dude, this isn't even like me making fun of you, getting you back for saying I look like Bill Bray. This is like genuinely you have a doppelganger. I said, Okay, well I'll be the judge of that. Uh so half about halfway through the movie, all I hear is my wife and her sister and Brandon all snickering and laughing. Because I'm like, all right, yeah, all right, yeah, I I saw it. And I don't I think we look similar, all right. I'm a little bit lighter, skinny.

SPEAKER_07 2:04

What did wait, what did they what did they say about did they did they agree?

SPEAKER_09 2:07

Did they they they think it all uh yeah, my my my mother-in-law, my my grandma-in-law, my aunt-in-law, yeah, oh yeah, everybody, yeah. We don't have to talk about every single person. I didn't know you were acting in this movie, so yeah, it's whatever. Um but it's pretty cool because I've never had anybody like uh people will say, like, I look like Jorge Masvedall, which is a UFC fighter, and I get a bunch of stuff and I I never see it, but this one I was like, oh wow, okay, yeah, that actually kind of does look like me a little bit. So um welcome back to the to the episode. We definitely weren't watching a cam rip for everyone to give you a lot of it's it's fucking oh my god, it's a mirror, bro.

SPEAKER_07 2:49

It's a mirror, bro.

SPEAKER_09 2:51

It's pretty all right. We've got the boy share. I'm about to change the dump change in the subject. It's literally you, like with a tan. Like, I'm sorry, that's me AI generated. I my eyes are not as close together as oh he's he's me AI generated.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

I wasn't studying that closely, but yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_09 3:18

Why because I'm like, what is Charlie talking? Like, who's this like this lit literally leading up to the movie? I was getting nervous because I'm like, bro, like, what does he mean someone looks exactly like me?

SPEAKER_07 3:28

And I just that's why it was extra funny. Last thing I'll say, just because the week before you were saying I look like somebody in Michael, but then this movie, there is literally somebody who looks like you that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_09 3:39

Me and Charlie are cleaning up box off his success, right? He's his role in Michael, my role in Devil Wears Prada 2. Like we're we're cleaning up. Um, but we got the boy Memish here. Uh maybe teased it a little bit last week. He has finally joined us for what's felt like forever. Uh, what has felt like forever? He was on a live stream with me and Charlie about a year ago. Um, but yeah, has not made an appearance on an episode. So Memish man, how are you doing? It was D23.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Oh yes, yes, it was. Um, I'm doing great. Um it's a pleasure to be here once again. You know what I mean? Um yeah, I'm doing good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 4:28

Hell yeah, I mean, let's go, dude. Yeah, excited to have you. It's it's uh like I said, it's a long time coming. Uh I've been trying to get you on, bro. They but then be they be shooting me down, bro.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

It's actually crazy. I mean, we we can just be clear. Last time we had Brandon on, Brandon is a best friend of this podcast, obviously, the best friend of this podcast. But Mimish is the OG of this podcast. Yeah, yeah, literally the OG.

SPEAKER_07 4:54

OG basically, you're basically there from the beginning, Memish, actually. Like you found us like very shortly after.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

I remember exactly came together.

SPEAKER_09 5:02

Yeah, the Comic-Con live stream, and that was like one of the biggest Comic-Cons like that we had had so far. Like, we got a lot of stuff. The one before and it was shit, yeah. Yeah, that I guess that was what it was. Yeah, cheese, man.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

You know, well, we will the only time we've been together in person, so that means something.

SPEAKER_09 5:22

Yeah, it wasn't all it wasn't all shit, Charlie. Come on. Um, we are gonna keep the ball rolling here. You know why? Because Daredevil uh finale is out, like we are gonna have to be dodging like crazy. Daredevil finale is out. The boys uh episode six comes out tomorrow, so we're inching closer there. We're gonna keep the ball rolling on this one today. Um, that way we can make time to go watch some peak, hopefully. Uh, but we got Memish in here, and the reason I say that again is because we also got some Memish comments. So I'm gonna I'm gonna fly through some of these because uh there's quite a bit, but I love it. I I I love the love. What can we say? It hits the same every single time. Um, Memish says, wait, I don't I don't know if my eyes deceive me. Does no one have scary movie? Also, Billy Eilish might be a cheat. Now, this is in reference to our box office draft, which we will get into here in a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

There's uh hey, there we go.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Charlie, me, Aiden, and Straw Hat Goofy. Notice who's notice who's furthest away from Straw Hat Goofy, by the way. Versus who's who's surrounded. Who literally has their arms to him, if you will.

SPEAKER_07 6:36

Hey, bruh, I dapped him up. I dabbed him up like come on, y'all. Y'all didn't have a great dapmy. Yeah, we didn't comment down.

SPEAKER_09 6:42

Yeah, okay. Yeah, we did. Um so I will say Mimish's comment. This is in reference to our box office draft, which we will get into uh here in a little bit, but Memish, your eyes do deceive you a little bit because Brandon has scary movie six uh as one of his picks. He does, and I think it's gonna make uh I think it's gonna make a really good amount of money, honestly. Uh, it's gonna have a low budget, and I think it's gonna make a crap load of money. Um, which we will get into well, we got into that last week. Everyone's picks and a little bit more in-depth on it. Um, and Billy Alish might be a cheat, and I do agree. I do very much agree. I try to tell Charlie that I think it it could be really good domestically.

SPEAKER_07 7:25

Um I'm just not feeling what you guys are feeling with it. But I mean, I hope that you guys are right, of course. Obviously, but I'll say that.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

I mean, how much did the Taylor Swift one get?

SPEAKER_09 7:36

You're praying. Oh, well, see, that's where you kind of get into comparisons because Taylor Swift versus Billy Eilish.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

I mean, I know. Oh, what was the budget on the Taylor Swift one?

SPEAKER_09 7:46

Actually, I'm curious about that and look that up. Yeah, look that up real quick. Um, Memish also says Cinemark AMC Regal, it's all about Odie and Cineworld view every man GBGB GB GB. Are those are these these Brit uh British Mimish?

SPEAKER_01 8:04

We don't need we don't need the Brit theaters, man. I've never said no Cine Brit theaters. You watch any movies in IMAX, though? Yeah, since Cinewall, which is what I work for.

SPEAKER_09 8:18

Um, we have uh let's go. Okay, well, I mean that's you already hold that over, Charlie. Yep, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

Charlie, Charlie has seen two movies in IMAX ever. Yeah, yes, Siners and Oppenheimer Oppenheimer, yeah, okay. Oppenheimer in the worst IMAX in the world, by the way. Yeah, oh what I suppose yeah, dude, no, that one actually is really bad. That was a really bad one. We watched it actually during that Comic-Con trip. That Comic Con was the same week as Barbenheimer, and so we met up and just like hit everything all at the same time. And so one of the things that we did was we got IMAX tickets for Odyssey, and we thought that this would be like a really cool experience for Charlie seeing his first movie in IMAX. And whatever theater we were at in California, which I thought would be a really good theater, the IMAX was just like pretty small and underwhelming, uh, and it didn't enhance the experience all that much. So just in comparison to even like my local theater, I would have expected that Anaheim, California would have a better IMAX, literally in like a huge city or whatever, but that just wasn't the case. I also fell asleep for like the whole movie, but that's a side point.

SPEAKER_07 9:38

Uh it says that Taylor Swift era's tour budget was for the movie, it was 15 million dollars, uh estimated. Yeah, from Google. It's from Google, so it's pretty small.

SPEAKER_09 9:47

It's not but it's not gonna be a big budget movie. It's not like you literally have nothing to worry about, bro.

SPEAKER_07 9:52

I don't think it'll be 200 million, like Ben is saying, like I think Ben's tripping, but no, he's he's fucking with you, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 9:58

100%.

SPEAKER_07 9:58

But but I think the 3D the 3D stuff is gonna is gonna add some add some.

SPEAKER_09 10:04

You'll you'll be good. You'll be good. Don't don't stress about it. It's a it's a good pick. Um whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Sorry if I'm uh sorry. No, just let me let me work here.

SPEAKER_09 10:17

What the fuck? Bro, we we literally have the box office talk here in a little bit. Holy 261 million dollars. Sorry, I was talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

I just brought it up.

SPEAKER_07 10:28

I just that's not a shock to me. That's not a shock.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

I'll withhold, I'll withdraw.

SPEAKER_07 10:32

Just because it's Taylor Swift. But what that's at 40 million, though. I I didn't even know it was on fantasy box. Look there. That was break even.

SPEAKER_09 10:40

That was a break even of 40 million.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Oh, yeah. Oh, it was a 16 million.

SPEAKER_09 10:43

Yeah, like you said.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

They have they have the calendar filled in all the way back to 2023, which is when that came out.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

So you can go look at you can go look back at like a ton of stuff uh from back then. Ant-Man and the Wasp not breaking even, that kind of thing, you know, elector stuff back in that year.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Okay, uh, quantum mania, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:09

You're on that one.

SPEAKER_07 11:10

Uh yeah, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Creed three as well.

SPEAKER_07 11:15

Maybe we had Mimish on a lot in 2023, bruh. Quantum Mania, maybe maybe Creed, and then uh Across the Spider-Verse.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Quantumania Creed. Welcome to forever.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Yes, in 2022, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

Um I had a really bad trip. I remember that much.

SPEAKER_02 11:37

I don't know if there was anything after that, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

We played the game, um Jeopardy. Jeopardy, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's I think that was the last time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 11:48

Uh no, we had Jeopardy, and then we had Across the Spider-Verse, which he was on for, and then we had D23 last year. Yeah, yeah. Then we had our D23 live stream. Uh Mibish goes on to call out some time codes, which I'd be interested in checking these out later. He's like at an hour 49. He said the boys season five, episode four four, when the boys are arguing with each other, literally, all you three. Uh, 11634. I've never ever heard Charlie crash out. This might be a Hall of Fame video. I was actually, I was re-listening to the episode, and that moment had me dying in the car because he's like, he's like, it's just horrible. It's Cinemark, it's just so stupid. I uh I shouldn't even be talking about this experience because Michael's such a great movie. It it it's we gotta be talking about how great Michael is. The fucking critics are tripping, and 33 of Rotten Tomatoes. Critics are fucking dumb. And I'm like, bro, like you went from Cinemark to talking about how great Michael is to then also talking about how dumb the critics are in your anger.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Trying to be quick, it was you know, it was that was uh that that was a very fun episode. I feel like we've been in a good rhythm recently, I can't lie. Yeah, yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Uh who needs Robert Kirkman?

SPEAKER_09 12:59

Okay, look, I'll say something. I'll say, I'll say something just because that nobody's gonna watch this. The the bit of laying into Robert Kirkman and how bad episode four was, it's so old. It got so old. I'm like, I'm getting I'm getting like I'm kind of like cringing watching this a little bit just because it's like all right, dude. Like, I get it. You got you got a big you had a big uh a big wig in front of you, and you're not afraid to say your people, whoa, like watch the big guy here. Holy shit, guys. But I'm like, come on, like let's let's tone it down a little bit. Um I like anyway on business though. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. It's kind of kind of it got it kind of got cool.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

If we still ended up having like a racist on or a murderer, I I don't remember what controversy we almost got into, but like we'd probably stand on business that like they're in the wrong, you know.

SPEAKER_09 13:51

Uh wait, wait, what are you talking about? Racist murder uh murderer uh first he's talking about uh Warren, whatever his name is Spider-Man. Oh, yeah, oh racist said murderer. Okay, so Spider-Man David.

SPEAKER_08 14:06

He thought, yeah, he thought we were gonna have David on at one point. He just thought we have David.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

I'm just clearing our our plate of still up in the potential. We could still yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_05 14:16

We're gonna get an interview from prison. Damn right. I've been on I've been on this podcast a lot.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

If I go and murder somebody, just saying you probably disavow me.

SPEAKER_09 14:27

You'd you'd stand on that business, you know. Yeah, but here here was my thing. Here was my thing. Every he would always he would find uh let's check your Tesla. Um, all right, that's bad. That's really bad. He he would uh find a way to kind of always go back to inserting something about episode four.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

It was just it just kind of played from the clips though, Robert Kirkman also leaned into it.

SPEAKER_07 14:54

Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that I thought was funny was the power scaling bit that Robert Kirkman leaned into. I thought that was funny okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

I didn't watch I I'm not a fan, I didn't watch the whole episode, so I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, Charlie. Charlie, I only watched I Charlie.

SPEAKER_09 15:09

I watched clippers from a third-party TikTok account. Like, let's let's be honest.

SPEAKER_07 15:13

The only full movie podcast I listened to is ours. Yeah, you don't even listen to ours, bro. You you did not no stop, stop, bro. I every episode that Aiden and I have done where you were gone, you haven't listened to those.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

It's not even true because I brought up when you guys mention me. I'm literally like, yeah, you guys talked about me and said that.

SPEAKER_07 15:31

I remember last time it happened, we asked you if you watched it or listened to it. You said no. I remember. Don't lie.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

This was a few weeks ago, right? A couple months ago? I don't remember. Okay, don't remember. Aiden, sorry.

SPEAKER_09 15:42

Uh moving on. Um I gotta get through these fucking comments. Uh, Mima says, I'd love to talk about the boys, which is why he's on today. I'd love to talk about the boys. A lot of things to say. Film-wise, uh, Spider-Man, Odyssey, Dune, Doomsday, and then some horror stuff. Backrooms, Passengers, Evil or Passenger, which I'm really excited for. Passenger, evil dead burn. Gotta get the boy on for some more. We definitely will. That'll be it. That'll be a lot of fun. We could bring you in for some movies, especially some of the horror. Um, I'd love to pick your brain about some of that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Obsession, bro. Obsession too. Yep. Seeing the market for obsession and then just today with Evil Dead Burn.

SPEAKER_09 16:22

Yeah, yep. Real. Uh Mibu says, Can I say 11908? One of my favorite MJ songs is You Rock My World. It gets me Man in the Mirror. Oh, it gets me. Man in the Mirror 2 absolutely motivates. Yes, I was listening to that earlier today. So good. Uh, I love MJ. Also, I think everyone performed amazingly. Uh, the actor who played Young Michael saw the show. Well, that's something we didn't talk about, dude. His his number where he's just singing in the studio and it's like everything else is drowned out, and it's just him. Oh my god, it was like I was like blown away at his performance. It was so good.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Yeah, it was incredible. So good, man. So good.

SPEAKER_09 17:03

Um and then Mimi says thank you so much. Honestly, Comic Con since Comic-Con 2022. Find the live stream. I wholeheartedly believe Words from the Nerds is the best podcast for films, TV, shows, no word of a lie. Nearly finished with uh university in two weeks. Yes, we were just talking about that, and I will hopefully be a film VFX graduate. Whatever, whenever I'm doing my assignments and I see you post, it's a lovely day. Never stop, guys. Oi, bro. Never stop, man.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Yeah, I do film VFX.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Well, I knew you were doing film, but is is VFX? Is that like a did you have to pick a specialty within it?

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yes, so mainly so the degree is based mainly around VFX, but also like the it's a VFX course with film in it, so it's the other way around. So mainly VFX.

SPEAKER_07 17:50

Yeah, Mimish, when you make it big, can you like do some like basic nepotism with me, bro? And just give me a job, bro. Give me a job out of it.

SPEAKER_09 17:57

We don't like beggars on this damn podcast. Wait, what did you just want to mean? Sorry, what did you do? Yo, megas.

SPEAKER_04 18:08

Oh beggas actually, bro.

SPEAKER_07 18:12

Nah, yo, clip that chat. Yo, clip that shit back, bro. We got racist Spider-Man right here, bro. Holy shit. Yo, show us your chest real quick, buddy. Show us your chest real quick. I disavow Aiden.

SPEAKER_09 18:23

Aiden H Aiden H talks. Uh, and then B Woody says, Charlie, you do know that you get a free upgrade to the Switch 2 edition of Tears of the Kingdom if you haven't if you have Nintendo Switch online. And I did tell Aiden to play Metroid Zero Mission since it's a remake of the first Metroid game and a little more beginner-friendly. And then, side note, he says, also, I think by the first week of January we'll have a pretty good idea of who wins the box office, just depending on Doomsdays and other legs by that point. So I didn't know. Some nice little Nintendo software.

SPEAKER_07 18:58

I did not know that. So I have to keep I'd have to keep paying for the subscription to Nintendo online, I assume, in order to keep that, or I'd assume so.

SPEAKER_09 19:12

Uh I would assume so. Um, I wanted to save this one for last. Mr. Memish has his uh little horror movie box office draft that he will do alongside ours. I will say, Memish, I did draft Insidious, so I have Insidious, but we can we'll share that. We'll share that together because that that's that's gonna bang. Um so Memish's horror box office draft, which we will keep a sidetrack.

SPEAKER_05 19:37

Bro, spot and profit. Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_09 19:39

Is that normal?

SPEAKER_02 19:40

Yeah, Mimish. You can't have any of mine, you can't have any of mine. Sorry. He said he will use Ben's clutching his pearls, bro. He needs that shit.

SPEAKER_09 19:53

Said I will only use whores that you guys haven't used. We already went over that. Passengers, scary movie. You could share that with Brandon. Resident Evil, which none of us have drafted because I know you said I don't know if you have this on your drafts. Resident Evil draft it. We can still draft it. Well, it's a fall, isn't it? A fall one, uh it comes out in September. Cool, cool fall season. Um Ice Cream Man, Insidious, and Exit 8. So he said, I'd love to see what I get at the end of the year with these picks. We will keep an eye on that, my brother. We will keep an eye on those because Insidious is gonna bang.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

I gotta be honest with you.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Oh, I know obsession. I thought obsession got taken. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

He's he's only having that taken. Yeah, yeah, hand up, hand up. My bad, my bad.

SPEAKER_09 20:40

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Obsession and back rooms. Oh my gosh. I yeah, yeah, I I'm holding out that backrooms is gonna make like 200 million dollars. I'm very much holding out, it's gonna make a lot, yeah. And then it'll be it'll be evil evil dead will also do very, very well. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 21:01

Um, well, heck yeah, baby. On the topic of box office, I didn't even mean to save it for last for that reason, but uh, we're not gonna go through our entire like list, we're not gonna go through big updates and because you know things have uh very slightly changed. Uh Michael's 400 something million worldwide. I mean, we knew that thing was gonna be a juggernaut. To be honest, it's probably gonna make a billion dollars. Uh, just because my wife is telling me she wants to go watch it for a third time. We watched it for a second time last week, and she's already wanting to go for a third. Um, it's gonna make uh a book amount of money. Uh, but same with Devil Wears uh Prada. Uh it's 10 mil away from breaking even right now as we speak. Um, and it's only been out for like four days, five days. Uh so that's gonna bang. Uh I'm sure it's already hit.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

You know what? Uh you know what your guy on Twitter would say? What's his name? Luis something. Yeah, my boy. You know what he should tweet about the Devil Wears Prada too? The Devil Wears Product 2 is being saved by international markets because if you just go on domestic, it's flopping. Like that pissed me. That actually upset me so much because he kept on going on about how international markets were saving Lee Cronins the mummy. But then I like opened up Project Hail Mary. And like, if you go based on domestic alone, Project Hail Mary is losing like 200 million dollars. So, like, what are we doing? You know, it's both, it's always been both. It's such a stupid thing.

SPEAKER_09 22:28

Sure. Yeah, that boy has been triggering Ben over the week.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Um international that we're the word as I'm making 25 million right now from from the mummy and still going.

SPEAKER_07 22:40

For Michael specifically, I I just found out that it's gonna release in Japan. I think oh, it's gonna go it's gonna go even crazier. I think Korea in the end of the end of this month, I think sometime.

SPEAKER_09 22:53

So yeah, yeah, that's money. Yeah, so you'll you'll have really good legs, and that's why everyone's floor has risen to 800 mil, is like the floor. Um, but see, this is what's so interesting. Like uh I don't like what we're talking about, like devil wears Prada, let's compare Devil Wears Prada and Michael, right? Yeah, not to be compared, but let's just for the sake of this conversation. Uh 250 mil break even. If Devil Wears Prada's floor, if it's floor is 700 mil, right? Well, that's that's 450 million dollars profit. If Michael hits a billion dollars, that's 500 mil profit. So you get 50 mil more profit off of your pick with all of those things considered, right? Like uh didn't produce as well. Um, international is saving it, uh domestic opened up way lower than a lot of people were thinking. Yet I'm still gonna reap more benefits out of it than you are with Michael, which is gonna make a billion dollars, right? It's just interesting um when you break it down like that, and when you break it down in the fact that this boy Ben thinks that I'm not no threat and that Charlie's running away with this. Like, come on, man, let's talk about that. Cause uh I'm just that's actually Buku.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

I'll be honest you look at years past having Toy Story 5 after Zootopia 2 became the highest-grossing animated movie, having Moana after after Lilo and Stitch made a billion dollars last year. I'm just saying those to me are way more powerful than Spider-Man and Devil Wars Prada. I think it's Charlie's game barring Doomsday, crushing it for me.

SPEAKER_09 24:39

You're not getting anywhere close. Hold on, you're not getting close, man. You're you're not like it's not it's not Charlie's game unless doomsday goes crazy, and then I'm taking this. Not at all. I don't know. You're not even getting past me. You're not even getting past me, you're not getting out of the summer profitable. What are you talking about? Your movies are gonna bomb. I'm not getting out of the summer profitable. Are you dumb? No, bro. Mando Mando's not gonna bang like you think it will. I'm sorry. Oh, you don't ready for the Star Wars fandom?

SPEAKER_02 25:14

You are not Star Wars fan, bro.

SPEAKER_07 25:16

If it actually does well, dude, then we're not gonna hear the end of it from Ben. We're not gonna hear the end of it.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

Backwards, and I'm moving the bet this backwards. Here's the thing is profiting me at least a hundred million. 100% is profiting me at least 100 million. Evil dead burden, profit manu, Mando and Grogu. Let's say it's close. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt that it's close. You don't think I'm leaving positive out of the summer?

SPEAKER_09 25:40

Uh well, I mean, here's the thing like positive or like uh because I'm not talking about like your summer is gonna be positive. I'm talking about like you get out of the summer season and your number is black and not red. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

And that's because like I'm negative 95 million right now. Like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_09 26:00

You're thinking like power ballad, power ballad, bro? Like you're going you're going for these, you're going for these like small profits, like okay, this is gonna be profitable. This is gonna be profitable. Why how profitable? How profitable though? That's the thing because it's not gonna take you out of third or fourth place, it's not gonna take you out of third or fourth place.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

That is that's a completely separate conversation because you guys will have all of your hit picks out by the time the summer ends. But you don't think that I can make in profit 50 million dollars by the end of summer. You don't think I'll be positive overall?

SPEAKER_09 26:36

I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Yeah, that's what I'm pushing back on because that's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

I'll be in last place, I'll give you that, but I will be positive.

SPEAKER_07 26:43

But I will be fine.

SPEAKER_09 26:44

Um, well, that's what I don't think doomsday saves you the th the way you think it will.

SPEAKER_07 26:48

That's the that's what I was trying to say the other day in a voice note is like Ben, you're like the way that you're happy with the idea of a one billion dollar break-even. I don't think that if that's the case, I don't think it's gonna help you as much as you think it is. Because you're all you're all at that point, you I mean you have to hope that the rest of your fall season is great as well.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Because I mean I'm getting part one and I'm getting doom part three. Like, let's let's be honest.

SPEAKER_07 27:15

All right. I you that's uh that's bullish of you for sure. I I mean and maybe that's how it happens, but like if you don't get like a really great fall season, and if doomsday is really your one crutch, a 1 billion break-even is not great for you, bro. Not great for you, man.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

All that I'm gonna say is if by the time we get to Doomsday, if I'm behind by 300 or 400 million dollars, I feel 110% confident that I'm making that up. 300, yeah, okay. I mean, I'd agree with that too. But could I be a billion behind and still catch up?

SPEAKER_07 27:59

No, yeah, catch up to be first place, or what do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 28:03

Yeah, like if I'm gonna profit on doomsday, do I think that it can hit two billion and take me all the way to first? Yes, absolutely yes.

SPEAKER_09 28:17

I just don't think so. I just I just don't know. I just don't think so. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

I don't think so. Uh but you think Spider-Man can make 1.7. Uh we we just can't have this conversation.

SPEAKER_07 28:30

I don't know if that's that crazy. Man, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

If Spider-Man can make 1.7 that Avengers Doomsday can make 2 billion. Let's come on.

SPEAKER_04 28:37

Yeah, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

I'm not even pushing back on that. I'm not even pushing back on that.

SPEAKER_09 28:43

I think but I think his sentiment of uh oh, does do I think doomsday makes 500 million dollars more than Spider-Man every day of the every day, every universe, every single time? No, it doesn't. I don't think so. 100. I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be within. I think it's gonna be within two to three hundred mil of Spider-Man. Absolutely not, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_05 29:05

I'd agree with that actually. 200, 200, 200.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Really?

SPEAKER_05 29:08

Yeah, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

Any number you any number you give me that Spider-Man makes, easily I think Doomsday makes 500 million more.

SPEAKER_07 29:16

See, I don't think 500 mil. I don't think 500 mil. I like the highest I'd be willing to go is 300. I like like Aiden saying, like, I mean I I I don't think it's like that grand of a difference. I really don't. I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_10 29:27

It will be.

SPEAKER_07 29:28

I'm close to we're like granted, and we said this, we said this, but No Way Home had the the the past villain fanfare and and the idea of maybe Toby and Andrew showing up, sure. But like think of the follow-up to that. You're you also you're gonna tell me that that that that idea, right, of just the multiverse in and of itself in that movie, therefore transitioned into Doctor Strange 2 and why Doctor Strange 2, despite what everybody thought about that movie, made close to what was it, 900 million dollars?

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Like 800 something.

SPEAKER_07 30:00

Think of what people are gonna be thinking going into this movie. There's already rumors swirling about the symbiote punishers in this thing.

SPEAKER_09 30:06

Um well, who is uh more of that in the trailer? Yeah, once they start to flex some more Punisher and Hulk in these trailers, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:15

Hulk, bro, once Hulk is officially revealed, like in a trailer, which I don't I wish they wouldn't do, but they're gonna do it 100%. Bro, like we're talking crazy, bro. We're talking crazy.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

I have one more thing to say, and then I want to bring Mimish in on this because he agrees with me. Um the thing about Spider-Man No Way Home, you brought up Doctor Strange, that's a great example. You had a movie that wasn't received well right after Spider-Man No Way Home still made 800 million dollars. Nowadays, we get Thunderbolts that has raving reviews, it makes 400 million. Like sure, we're in we're in a different era, not only like pre-endgame or around endgame time, we're even in a different era from the first couple of years getting back into Marvel when it comes to their momentum. And I don't see that it could have anywhere close to the momentum of No Way Home looking at some comparable projects around the time. I could be totally wrong. I I just don't I don't think that 1.7 for Spider-Man is realistic in the slightest. I think 1.5 is ceiling.

SPEAKER_09 31:20

I think what I think 1.5 is realistic, but I do or 1.7 is realistic, but I do think it'll fall more towards like 1.4, 1.5.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

And another great example that I can bring up for for why I don't think that the Spider-Man fan base is quite there as much as you guys think it is, is across the Spider-Verse. I get it's a slightly different audience, but an animated movie also being a Spider-Man movie after how well received the first one was, that movie making what did it make? 700 million?

SPEAKER_07 31:51

It was 700 or 800, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Yeah, 700 or 800 million. Widely regarded as one of the best stars, best Spider-Man films. Sorry, thinking of Star Wars, may the fourth be with you. Sure. Widely regarded as one of the best Spider-Man films. And an animated movie. I like those. I don't think that's fair. I don't think that is a horrible.

SPEAKER_07 32:12

Animation, animation, uh like it's a it's a bigger ass to get a lot of people to go, like, uh other than to bring their kids. And uh there's I mean, I hate to say it, there's also the element of the black Spider-Man. Like, I don't know how big of a role that plays, but like I mean, there's so many other elements going into that that just like uh also 800 million is nothing to shy at. I I think Beyond is is is is looking at probably breaking a billion, uh if if if you ask me off off right now, uh that's what I'd say. But I don't know. I I just I also just think like that saying that is ignoring everything else that we know about Tom Holland Spider-Man uh factoring in, not just no way home, but far from home Britain being over a billion dollars.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Um, and just the the the endgame almost made three billion, by the way.

SPEAKER_09 33:01

Here's but here's the thing, bro. Like that and I know Brandon doesn't like to lean too much on this. That Spider-Man trailer is one of the most viewed trailers ever. I have people coming up to me that don't even know that there's an Avengers movie coming out this year that's like bro, I want to go watch Spider-Man. Like, bro, I I can't wait for that new Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

Not that they don't know an Avengers movie, there's nothing they know it's there's not even like an official Domesday trailer out. I don't think wait till that shatters those numbers. Wait till that shatters those numbers.

SPEAKER_09 33:32

Numbers aside, general audience, bro. You're you're it's a bigger ass to get people to buy in for an Avengers movie with the track record that Marvel has had recently. It's less of an ask to be like, hey, yeah, this cool Spider-Man movie that deals with him and and MJ and Punisher and Hulk, that you don't have to watch previous uh installments of. You don't have to be super in the know to watch the movie. It's a it's way less less of an ask. On top of that, uh, I'm going I'm going a little bit more back to what the the bullshit you said about oh, it's my game if doomsday is out, like Charlie's my only threat. Uh Spider-Man No Way Home had a 200 million dollar budget right after COVID. If it has another 200 million dollar budget, you're ultra fucked, bro. Because if 1.5 is the ceiling and it hits 1.5, there's my billion dollar profit, and I didn't need doomsday. And I also have devilware's product odyssey and project Hail Mary there to supplement that. You haven't had shit so far, and your fall season is not gonna help you the way Devil Wears Prada, Odyssey, and Project Hill Mary is helping me. That's a lot. Let's get that, let's get that cleared up. Charlie's not your only threat.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

I'm just giving my opinion. You can disagree, but that's where I currently I'm vibe-checking the whole league. That's where I'm at. That's my prediction. Mimish, please take the floor.

unknown 34:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 34:52

Um prediction can be wrong, chat.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

By the way, it's an Avengers film, it's an Avengers film. And I'm not I'm not trying to downplay Spider-Man at all. I think Spider-Man's definitely gonna hit a billion. If not more, 100%. But if we are gonna do the comparing of the previous Spider-Man films, we're gonna compare the previous Avengers films, right? Like it's like the last one of these insane. This is the this is this is the last, obviously the last Avengers film we've had since Endgame. That's had 2.8 mil? 7 billion, sorry, 2.7 billion um in Box Office?

SPEAKER_02 35:29

2.8, it might even be 2.9 with the re-releases.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

I do think Doomsday is gonna make more money. And I'm I'm swaying closer to then than it being 200 million between Spider-Man, only because it's got an indic it's got an it's it's got such a big cast of superheroes, and half of them aren't even been shown. Like Doctor Doom hasn't even been shown yet, uh Rodan Jr. hasn't been shown yet. The promotions has just been teaser trailers of the previous so-called Avengers, you know. Like I do think it's gonna have a lot of money.

SPEAKER_09 36:10

It's a good it's a good sway, Aimish to sway my way. And how doomsday is going to differentiate from that? Like, yeah, let's look at the track record, and you can say, you know, uh, yeah, look at the past two billion dollar movies for both. And I was just looking 1.5 for Avengers, 1.4 for Age of Ultron. Um that has to play a factor. That has to play a factor, and honestly, I think it would lean more towards um 1.7, 1.6, 1.8.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

I thought you were about to say it'll lean closer to Age of Ultron, which is what Brandon said.

SPEAKER_09 36:59

I mean, I don't know. Brandon seems pretty, and uh like I had some conversations with him while we were also talking. He seems pretty his is so up in the air, but he's like, man, the brand is the brand is tarnished. No way to put it, the brand is tarnished, and uh Spider-Man might not even be that great. Now, Spider-Man gets to gets to sulk in the fact that it's Spider-Man, the most famous superhero of all time, if not top two, top three, the most famous superhero of all time. People are gonna show out to that, kids are gonna show out to that, like families are gonna go. It's it's Spider-Man, right? Like Spider-Man gets to to have that benefit. Where doomsday doesn't really like because it's a mar it's an Avengers movie that people are like, I didn't see Thunderbolts or Fantastic Four last year because neither of those made even made more than Superman, which also isn't a good sign, and these are Brandon's words. Neither of those made more than Superman is not a good sign for the for the uh the place that the brand is in right now. So, what does that say about doomsday? That doomsday is just gonna automatically make two billion dollars. Your two big hitters last year couldn't even compete with, couldn't even tie Superman shoes. What makes you think that your Avengers movie is gonna compete with that? You know, and on the topic of famous I think that even struggled to break even at like a 400-500 million dollar break-even. What movie? I want Captain America. Captain America. I think that barely made 400 million. Yeah, 413 mil.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

Yeah, they weren't making as much then, but break-even was 450. I looked at Ant-Man Lost, which was like right before, like right after Infinity War, and you know, in between Infinity War and Endgame, Ant Man and the Wasp only made 600 mil.

SPEAKER_10 38:56

Just like more than Thunderbolt again in between in between Infinity War and Endgame, like not this isn't for doing anything.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

My point is that looking at Thunderbolts and looking at Fantastic Four is not an indication of how well an Avengers movie is gonna be. You're not gonna look at the recent movies and say, Oh, well, that only made 600 million, so the Avengers movie isn't gonna do as well.

SPEAKER_09 39:19

That, but that's no, it's it's not, it's not even, and I I disagree with that, but it's not even just that, it's the fact that you had Infinity War, which is again one of the best Marvel movies ever, and you knew Endgame was coming, and in between that you had Ant-Man and the Wasp. You cannot compare. Well, look, Ant Man and the Wasp had 600 mil, and and Endgame went on to make almost three billion dollars. You cannot compare that to duds, duds, duds, flops, box office flops, box office flops, thunderbolts fantastic four, and then doomsday. That's why doomsday is gonna be amazing. You can't look at all of these. You don't have another Avengers movie two years ago to back that up or or to make you feel confident. Now, Secret Wars, yeah. If Doomsday does good, okay. Now, Secret Wars is that vessel. Whatever comes out in between them, we don't have to worry about it all. I'm just we don't have that right now.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Doomsday is our catalyst, or I just don't think that looking at the surrounding projects is a good indication of much at all.

SPEAKER_09 40:22

It's the same brand, it's the same brand that people are not showing up to.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

It is, but I do think also there's the big there's a big factor in this. It's the returning characters and the returning actors. I think that's a big factor for like Comic Con was huge when Robert Daniel Jr. returned as Doctor Doom. That could be that for me was a huge factor as that's gonna make a lot of money. You know, he's gonna return. Same with uh Chris Evans, same with Thor. They bring back the big hitters to make the money. I think they've realized that the recent films they've made, especially Fantastic Four, which was a bit of a shock, but they knew that, or I think they knew that those films weren't gonna make a lot. But if this is like their actual end game, no pun intended. For this is for this to flop, then it's it's a very, very big question mark. But they're bringing everyone back, and I think they're trying as hard as they can to at least get as get as near as they can to infinity war, let alone end game.

SPEAKER_07 41:25

But do you think uh has more no do you would do you think I haven't spoken very long? Calm down, buddy. All right, um but but do you think, and I want to preface this by saying I don't necessarily think so, and I also don't think that it's a big enough audience to to exactly matter, but do you think that that also turns off a large section of the audience? Um the fact that they're bringing back RDJ um not even 10, not even six years later, seven years uh later. Uh well I guess it is seven years, not even not even eight years later. Like they're already bringing him back. Uh Captain America. That's something we did we've talked about. Like RDJ were more okay with than than them bringing back Captain America. And I don't know. Obviously, the people that that would matter to are most likely fans and they're gonna watch it anyway.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:16

But do you think some people would might view that as a cop-out, and like that's just like a reason make they like they wait it out, wait for it to be on Disney Plus, especially with how long like you're you're only waiting like two months at this two or three months for something to be out on Disney Plus at this point. Um maybe they'll change that for Doomsday, especially with I uh they're gonna want it in theaters for as long as possible, sure. But I don't know, man. I just think a lot of your what you guys are saying is entirely dependent on the name Avengers, and and that's it. Other than the returning characters, sure. And but largely it's just the name Avengers. And I like I'd be inclined to agree with you to some to some point. And of course, I like I still I think it's gonna make more than Spider-Man. Like, I'm not even contending against that, but I just don't think it's gonna make vastly amount vast amounts more than Spider-Man. Because like 500 million more than Spider-Man, dude. I don't know, man. Like, I just keep going back to the love for Tom Holland Spider-Man is immense. It is immense. I don't like Far From Home, and that movie made a billion dollars, man. But I and I still but they wrote me back in with No Way Home, and I I I'm just thinking about all the people that left No Way Home just wanting to see how does he deal with not knowing who MJ and Ned, or how did how does how does he deal with MJ and Ned not knowing who he is? All these different story threads that they're just so much more interested in. I don't know, bro. Versus like we're hopping on a whole new like you gotta rope people in with RDJ being Doctor Doom. Like, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

Dude, let's let me operate for a second here. Okay, because you you Coming off. The first thing that I'll say will people be hesitant and not go see Doomsday because of returning characters? No. People will be hesitant but curious, so they'll go watch the dang movie and see how they're going to handle it. That's how we feel.

SPEAKER_06 44:17

We're like, you don't think that people would watch reviews or something like that to see to see how people think they they handle the characters?

SPEAKER_02 44:24

But come on, like this is multiple years in the making, bringing the Rusa brothers back, bringing back RDJ, Chris Evans. There is in my mind, as hesitant as I am, I know that Kevin Feige and everybody working on this movie feels the weight of Marvel on their shoulders. I think they have to lock in for this movie. Yeah. And so I'm almost as hesitant as I am, I'm almost confident that this is going to be the movie that we want it to be. Because it almost has to be for them to almost save us and bring us back to where the fandom used to be when it comes to Marvel. And the only other thing that I'll address is the whole people love Tom Holland Spider-Man. Let me throw out this question: what do you think has more pull for people? Tom Holland Spider-Man, Mark Ruffalo as Hulk, John Bernthal as Punisher, or Robert Downey Jr. as Doctor Doom, Chris Evans back as Captain America, Chris Hemsworth as Thor, Tom Hiddleston as Loki, not even mentioning all of the X-Men that are coming. I don't know why you throw Loki out there. Nobody gives a shit about it.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

That is not that he is not pulling an audience.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

You're relying on Spider-Man. Like we're doing superheroes.

SPEAKER_07 45:47

Yeah, as Aiden mentioned, as Aiden mentioned, like that's not like a crazy Avengers almost car. But as we established, that's not all we're relying on. We're not only relying on Spider-Man. Like we're relying on also the people wanting a continuation of that story, you know, versus like you're you have to convince people to want to essentially start another Avengers story after the ending of the last one was still poignant and still good depending on who you talk to. Like, I don't know. I just think that like a new beginning for an Avengers versus like a an a continuation of the detriment and down in the dump Spider-Man with Hulk in it and uh the the first movie appearance of the Punisher, which I don't think the Punisher has that much pull. I don't even want to like really rely on that. But just saying, man, and if Daredevil, if it if we come to find out Daredevil's in this movie, bro, like, and even then, I don't think Daredevil has that much pull.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

But like I say, yeah, nice low viewership numbers for C.

SPEAKER_07 46:53

No, that's and that's what I was gonna bring up. Yeah, that's what I was gonna bring up too, is like it like the viewership, the uh according to Nielsen or whatever, it's not really there. So, like, but I'm just saying, all in all, I even if we were just only relying on namesake, like I think you're you're underplaying Spider-Man and overplaying Avengers a little bit too much.

SPEAKER_09 47:15

What about 100%? And here's here's here's why. Here's one of the major reasons why. And I just I listen into casual conversations, uh, people who I look at as general audience viewers in around the office, right? Just whenever they whenever these conversations be brought get brought up about about Marvel. Um anytime dooms anytime Avengers or Doomsday is talked about, it is always talked about negatively. And a big reason is Ben, you like to say that the the past movies don't factor in. Like it or not, the Avengers movies have always been looked at as a culmination of the past couple films. Not even just a couple, but like the past couple years of of Marvel movies. Every time I hear Avengers Doomsday being talked about, it's in a negative connotation because it has been in a down uh uh a decrease. The quality has been in a decrease in the past couple years in their eyes. Every time it's talked about, it's talked about negatively. Every single time Spider-Man is talked about, it's uh I thought I heard that Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man was gonna be in this movie. Like, have you have you heard anything about that? Have you seen any leaks about that? Like, oh my gosh, yeah, it's always talked about positively, and even if it's like just questions or just like leaks, it's pulling off the last movie, which was amazing, which was awesome that everybody loved. Almost made two billion dollars. So the general audience and the casual conversations look at Avengers as a culmination of the past couple years of Marvel movies, which everyone knows has been shit, because that's how they've always been looked at. Infinity War phases, phase one, two, and three, four, things of that sort. When you look at Spider-Man, you are looking at No Way Home, you are looking at the most popular superhero in the world that has no connection to uh whatever's happening in the main Marvel timeline because that didn't seem to matter when No Way Home came out and people loved it and ate it up. You can't ignore those conversations, you can't ignore what the general audience is is tying together when it comes to either of these movies.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

I mean, I'm I'm not, but like let's say let's look back at phase one. Marvel went from an amazing start with Iron Man to what three very mixed product mixed products with Captain America, Iron Man 2, and then Thor, which didn't make uh an incredible amount of money, but The Avengers came out and was getting a lot of high praise, and so everybody went to see the movie, and it didn't matter that those projects were not being as well received, not making as much money. If if this movie is well received, then the worst that we can be is where we were at going into the first Avengers film, which is yeah, things haven't been great, but this movie's being really well received. I have to go see what's going on. That is like the floor, in my opinion. We're we're in such a different time, though.

SPEAKER_09 50:16

We're in such a different time, a worse time in the beginning, a way worse time than Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 50:23

I'm saying, do you not think there are more Marvel fans? Not that there is as much you know high-quality products, not that everybody's happy with what's going on, but just more people who have to go and see what Avengers Doomsday is going to be in comparison to 14 years ago. You don't think there's more people who will go see an Avengers movie nowadays? I mean, yeah, there's there's more. Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 50:49

So, like, I don't like I don't know what you're saying better time audience-wise, but uh also I I feel like your argument is has has has turned to like we agree that it's going to make more money than Spider-Man. We just don't think the the range is as wide as you're trying to place it. Like, that's that's as much as we as as we're breaking it down to. Like, that's fine.

SPEAKER_09 51:11

I'm gonna I'm gonna dog walk the absolute fuck out of you this draft. Like, I'm gonna dog walk the shit out of you. Uh so let's let's like we're not gonna debate that anymore, but I'm just making that point. Yeah, you're getting a few.

SPEAKER_02 51:22

How's the Rotten Tomatoes draft going, buddy? All right, that's completely fine. That's right. Ultimately, we've been talking about this for a while. We can move on from it. The truth is, I will be overconfident in doomsday, admittedly so. I am coping, whatever you want to call it. I will be riding that high all the way until we actually get those numbers in December. I'll debate you guys and stand 10 toes down on it every single time it's brought up. But at some point, we're just gonna go back and forth until we see the numbers. With that, I'm gonna go use the restroom.

SPEAKER_09 51:57

Handshake, great debate, guys. Great debate, great conversation. No handshake, buddy. No handshake. You're muted. I'm not you're muted, buddy. Uh try and dispute it all you want, man. You're absolute, absolutely fucked. Uh, now that he's gone, he's getting fucking dog walked by me. Like, what is he? Is something wrong with him mentally? Is something wrong? He's getting dog walked, bro. That was some crazy like side side glaze where he just started.

SPEAKER_07 52:24

Is Charlie's game to him? I was like, whoa, buddy, I where's this coming from? Crazy glaze right now.

SPEAKER_09 52:30

He's getting he's getting moonwalked. That's what it is. Uh I got oh, there you go. Mimish is back.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

Sorry, my camera died. Sorry.

SPEAKER_09 52:40

Oh no, you're fine. Devil Wears Prada, me and Charlie saw it. We'll make this a nice little quick and easy segment. Um, because I believe we were the only two that saw it. Memish, did you get a chance to watch Devil Wears Prada?

SPEAKER_01 52:50

No, I haven't even seen the first one, so that is gonna be something I do to look at.

SPEAKER_09 52:55

Yeah, cool, cool, cool. Um, you don't gotta watch Charlie. I am uh yeah, I'm pretty sure I know how Charlie's gonna feel about this movie. Um uh we don't have to do a reaction or anything. Uh, I'm at a four out of five. Really? You liked it that much? Yeah, I really liked it. I enjoyed it a lot. I know you what are you at? What's your rate?

SPEAKER_05 53:17

Uh I'm well, I'm at a three-star. I actually I liked it a lot. I liked it more than the first one. I liked it more than the first interesting.

SPEAKER_09 53:23

Okay, all right. I wasn't expecting that. I thought you were gonna hate it. Um, I I think it's a perfect sequel, like it's a perfect continuation of the story, I feel like, for like 20 years down the line. Uh, I feel like it hit everything that I wanted it to hit. Um, I will say, uh, just real quick, just like topic of the of the review so far. Um I feel like the more I thought about it, the more I kind of felt like Miranda's character was vastly different than the first movie.

SPEAKER_06 53:55

I don't want to go so far as to say character assassinated, but like yeah, look a little different.

SPEAKER_09 54:02

A little different. Yeah, yeah. I'd be I'd be tempted in uh I could be I could be talked into agreeing with the word character assassination. Um just the the more I thought about it, all right. The more I thought about it, the more I was like, um, she just she seemed way more poppy, way more bubbly, way like she in the first movie, because I rewatched it right before, like whenever you were like sent that voice message. I was watching the first movie again because Maddie hadn't seen it, so I was like, Oh, let's watch the first one and then go watch the second one. Um, and so I watched the the first one with her, and I like I don't she just has this way about her that is just so hilarious the entire movie, um, where she's just like, That's all.

SPEAKER_10 54:52

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_09 54:53

Like just such a mysterious kind of character, uh, to where that that moment at the end of the first movie when she smiles is like, ah, damn, she got her, let's go. And then that's just a constant throughout this second movie. It's like I I don't know, it was it was kind of jarring a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 55:13

Yeah, well, and there's some moments where I like I understand it a bit more, and like I I just I don't know. I I think it's just the the the methods in which they try to make it seem like her character is maybe pushed to that edge to where she is more comfortable being um like bubbly and uh more friendly-ish uh to to to those around her. Maybe I just didn't like that because uh maybe I felt that as much as I think this one's better than the first one, uh that what happened in the first one was a more logical reason. Like I think of the the the moment in the in the car between her and uh Andrea or Andy Um in uh in the second movie? In the first in the first one, in the first one when uh she after right after Paris, uh there she's telling her like you're gonna be really good at this or that kind of or something. She says something along those lines. And uh like she just all her walls come down essentially for Andy. Like after Andy's done all this proving herself and everything, like that's when she finally like uh talks to her like an equal almost. Um I I I like that for certain um for certain instances instances in in this movie, i.e. the the one with uh Nigel uh specifically, and I think that was well earned and and and and and uh well well written, and I think that it was about time that he got his flowers from her. Yeah, yeah, that was great stuff. That was great. Um but I don't know, for her to be as like uh cold as she was to Andy at the beginning of this movie, and then you cut to like I don't know, the halfway point in the the the Hamptons house or wherever it was, and like you you you look at that example of which granted I know she's happy because she she got this promotion thing, but like to me, I old Miranda, I feel like that's just like a step up for for like next step, all right. Like like I knocked it off the board, lock in, keep going. Like, I don't think that that's like a oh Andy, yeah, like we're we're so great together, like kind of moment. But yeah I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 57:33

Yeah, no, I that was like really what stuck out the stuck out the most to me uh in the movie was um just Miranda as a character. I think everyone else falls back into their roles perfectly. Like I Stanley Tucci is an absolute gem. I adore Nigel as a character, and yeah, I think everyone kind of picked up right where they left off. I did see some complaints about how um Emily's character kind of I I I wish I could pull up the review, and I don't want to go look for it because I don't want to get spoiled on Daredevil because I'd have to look on Twitter. Um I fucking boys out. I uh something along the lines of like they didn't really like Emily's character and what they did with her because it felt like she needed to lean on a man for everything. She needs to lean on uh I forget his name, but her her uh boyfriend that she was there with. Yeah, that sounds right. Benji, yeah, a cuck sounds sounds about right. Um she needed to lean on uh Benji for for a lot of things, um for assistance, for uh a step to get up. Um to which uh the moment where she says that Miranda got her hired there and made them hire her.

SPEAKER_07 58:51

That was like I think that's that's another point, too. It's like almost anywhere she got to in the movie, with the exception of the very end where she I can't remember where she starts working after uh her and Benji uh spoilers, chat, after her and Benji split up.

SPEAKER_09 59:08

It's not Chanel, is it Chanel?

SPEAKER_07 59:11

Was it Dolce?

SPEAKER_09 59:13

No, oh dang. You got the camera, go look at it. Uh I don't know. Uh maybe it was Chanel, I'm not sure. Dang it.

SPEAKER_07 59:22

Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember. So like with the and maybe like that's the point of it, maybe, but but through every turn, it's not even just like the the man part, which I'll but but I I I mean I see that point, but like Miranda got her the job at uh uh Prada, no not Prada, good uh what was it? Dior. Oh my gosh, Dior, thank you. Oh got her the job at theoretical.

SPEAKER_09 59:43

Coach, damn it coach.

SPEAKER_07 59:45

A coach, okay. Um Miranda got her the job at uh at Dior to like get her away, but like even then that's it's just like I don't know if that's the greatest place to take Emily where after we just saw her last movie, like she was bound to be in a place where like her she was questioning her self-worth and and and her her her sense of accomplishment just because like Andy came in and and not took it from her, but it was just all of the things she was working towards, it was given to Andy uh in the last moment. So like I would think that you we'd want to see how she got to a spot in where they appreciated her for what she was able to do and everything like that. And they kind of do it by the end of the movie, but we don't really even see it. So I don't know. I and again, I I want to also say it sounds weird, I'm only talking about like flaws that I have with the movie, and I say that I like it more than the first one, but I I uh I I I I don't know. There's just a lot that I I agree with with what Aiden said. The everybody falls back into the role, and I think that it it's it's all really well done uh because of that. And I think that I don't know, just the what the movie had to say, I think was a lot more poignant um this time around than yeah, than the first one. So there's a lot of that for me as well.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:58

I I thought it was great, even her speech in the middle where she's just like they are gonna like just rip everything away from they're gonna rip all of the suffering away from us, like none of this stuff is gonna matter, and like that needs to that needs to change, like that needs to be put to an end. Like magazines are already out, like even just seeing them be like, we don't do magazines at all anymore. It's just like like put stuff on a feed that people will swipe past, like all like I don't know, just like that commentary really was like, Oh, especially after just watching the first movie, where the entire time I'm like, man, this is the most 2000s feeling movie ever, and to just get whiplashed into this one and be like, ah, damn, we live in a horrible world, like our world sucks now. Um, I think uh looking the message of like looking for hope and you know saving creativity, and you know, despite all of that was was really nice. Uh, even going as far as like hiring someone, I don't know if you saw like hiring an artist to draw an AI-looking picture of all the memes that people were making of Miranda. Like they got a human to go in there and hand draw so like the the meme of her with uh McDonald's outfit. Yeah, the birds with that. Yeah, yeah. So somebody went in there and hand drew it and purposely made it look like it was AI. Like they even had the menu, like the letters in the menu like all merged together and whatnot. Um but yeah, like even going as far as that, because I think this is a very anti-AI has a very hard message on uh in a stance on like anti-AI. Um, just with like Ben was saying, BJ Novak coming in and uh, you know, uh kind of trying to introduce that new era to everybody, and you know, me, your boy working for him, kind of stepping up to Miranda Beastly, Priestly. Um, I also yeah, he had one of the best, he had one of the best lines. He's like, Oh, we call you Miranda Beastly over here because you're a beast. I'm like, oh hell yeah. There's there's my boy. Um, but yeah, like even having him step in and kind of trying to introduce that new era after Irv passes away, it's like, yeah, dude, it's them having to save that and whatnot. I think that was like phenomenal. I think that was great. Yeah, but yeah, I I did have just a little bit of an issue with like Emily and Miranda uh and and their characters a little bit, but other than that, pretty good movie, man. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Yeah, but I was I was a lot higher on than you on the first movie. I actually went higher on it after a rewatch because I think watching it with Maddie kind of like like what seeing all her reactions and knowing what's like what funny moments gonna happen next, and like gossiping about it with her, I was like, oh damn, this movie does absolutely bang. This movie does bang. Like so, did you watch the first one with um with the fiance?

SPEAKER_08 1:04:00

Yeah, yeah, and I still, you know, I stand on my laurels.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:05

I'm an incel. What can I say? That's real, that's real. Uh yeah, Devil Wars Prada. I had a great time. Um, um yeah, good movie, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:20

Good movie.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:21

You seem yeah, I'm happy that you seem to like it too. Uh alrighty. Good lord. On to our next subject. Uh oh my bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

You said that I couldn't build during the podcast, and then you removed me, so I'll stop now, but like you can't get mad.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:39

Nobody said you couldn't build. I just said that you were there's no way you make fun of Aiden for watching stuff while we're recording, and then you're you're gonna build a LEGO Z.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:48

Yeah, I'm gonna build a Legos app, guys. I'm not. I mean, I I will just show the show the Batman.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

Ooh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:57

Memish, no, bruh. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Don't encourage that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:02

Oh, Memish. Charlie's not your boss. You know, you don't you don't have to batch.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:09

He's trying to reverse psychology being your boss right now, Memish. You know who to listen to.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:13

I I'm an advocate for his free will. He liked the Batman, okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:19

Real and had a Pattinson Lego figure, but you know. We don't know.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:24

You do not have a Pattinson Lego Batman figure. Do you?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:28

I'm about to have one in the video game.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

No, you shouldn't have won that. Oh no. Oh, he's done. Oh, he's done you, he's done you.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

Damn, son. Are we sure that's are we sure that's Pattinson? Look at the suit, look at the suit. That's Pattinson.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:46

Are we sure that's Pattinson?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:48

Yeah, bro. Look at the suit. Yeah, look at the suit, bruh.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:52

When did you get wait, what set do you have?

SPEAKER_07 1:05:55

Wait, why are the are the wait, zoom pull back a little bit? Are the eyes white?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Yeah. They are on this new one too.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

He got you there, Ben. He got you there.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:08

Why? He never has white eyes.

unknown 1:06:09

Why?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:10

They do it for all the Batmans. Wait, Aiden, what set do you have?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:19

Oh, he's about to. Oh, is it? I have to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

Oh, look at that shit way before you, bro. Just the ass Batmobile. Look at that. Yeah. Look at that. Literally, this shit way before you can see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Bro, man, he got the flames coming. Is the flames?

SPEAKER_07 1:06:37

Is the flames ain't gonna be coming out of that one, though? The flames ain't gonna be coming out of that one.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:41

By the way, this is the engine showing too, engine exposed.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:45

Just to be clear, you can no longer buy that one. This is the newest, newest one that just came out. I would have flames on it if I could.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:53

Exactly. You can have the choice. This shit is like OG.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

Yeah, that's what makes it cooler.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:13

I got Selena called too. So the motorcycles also, bitch.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:20

Moving on to uh oh yeah, you yeah, you want to get Lego for Lego? Oh yeah, yeah. Moving on to Daredevil Born Again.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:27

Holy shit, bro. Oh my room is crazy. That room is insane. I didn't know it goes that far to the left, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:34

There's there's a lot of money in this room. Daredevil born again. It's episode seven, right? That just came out. Episode seven review. Mr. Mimish, have you watched this?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

Um wait until the finale till then you watch. Oh dang.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:56

Okay, I haven't seen nothing to do. Should we do boys first? Take a sort? Should we do boys? We can do the boys first. It's like 4 a.m. for me.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:03

We gotta no, we'll we'll we'll do the boys. That's good. That's that's mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We treat our guests correctly. Thank you, thank you. Of course. We don't we don't bring on people that kill miners, like we bring on Mimish, all right? So another another feather in our cat. Another feather in our cat.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

I mean, I say that, but you guys did just start talking about Devil Wars Prada after I left, so that's not really not really considerate. I'm the only one who's looking out for him, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

Wait, what is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:35

If I was here, we would have done boys first, devil worse Prada later, you know, just it's fine.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:41

I'm just I'm saying you should hold your bladder a little bit better. You fucking child.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

Bro, I had I had two large sweet teas from dinner, and that just runs through me.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:52

Boy season five, episode six review, episode coming out tomorrow morning. Uh episode is it okay. Jeez, I'm all over the place. All of these episode counts. Episode five review, episode six comes out tomorrow morning. We have episode seven and then episode eight. In the horizon, the finale. Uh boy season five, episode five. Review reaction, instant reaction in three, two, one. I think this is one of the best episodes uh of the show, of the entire show. Really? Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

I agree with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:31

I agree with that.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:32

I just I just what I fall back to is everything that we talked about last week. Um, in terms of oh horror being a final being a final season, yeah, it's just not moving the plot along. Like for for for us to have been talking about that last episode and then going into this episode, and it's the same shit.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:51

Same past three weeks, actually, we've been talking about it. Yeah, you brought up the McGuffin stuff two weeks ago.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:57

Yeah, yeah, bro. See, like that that's a problem. Like, that is a huge, glaring problem that has to be addressed. With that being said, I think that every episode we've gotten so far has been really, really good. And it like it it harkens back to like old boys for me, like old, old the boys, great the boys old stuff. But I'm still just like that this feels good, but not for the final season of this show. Like this this seems like a storyline or an episode that would have happened in episode in season three, in the season that we really loved, you know? This does not feel like other than maybe the firecracker storyline in this episode. That because that's like final season stuff. But even then, that's a storyline that could have been done in any of the other seasons as well. I don't think Firecracker is a is a wholly important character. Um But I that being said, great storyline here. I think that that was phenomenal for her in a phenomenal way for for for things to happen with uh with with her for that.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:01

So yeah, yeah. I Ben I wait, wait, Mimish, wait, what did you give, Mimish?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:07

Like in the middle of an up, but okay, like yeah, God loves it.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:11

I definitely for saying I want to hear from you, but I also but I want to hear from from Ben first because I think he had the lowest rating of all of us.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:17

Yeah, I I was mid on both. I I'm sorry, as much as I like looking at things in a vacuum sometimes.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:26

Oh, we know you like looking at this episode. You wanna me? We know you like looking at that, buddy. We know you like looking at that.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:35

Ain't just said one of the best in the series, and you agree.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:38

What's your Twitter? What's your Twitter profile picture? What is that again? Oh, that's right. That's what I thought, man. It's better. That's what I thought. It's I know you loved looking at that. I know you loved looking at that. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I do.

unknown 1:11:48

Oh my god, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:51

That was bad, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:53

That was bad, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:55

I'm Homelander. All right, bro. You need me. Sorry, I interrupted.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:00

I interrupted you. What did what tell me, tell us what you thought.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:05

It's hard to look at things in a vacuum so many weeks in a row and not just accept that, like, no, this is actually just bad because this is the final season. This is season five. It's hard for me to look past that to a certain extent. So I can like things, I can, I can appreciate good aspects of the episodes, but this is a very this is like a wildly disappointing final season for me up to this point.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:38

It's just crazy to me. Just be like but the episode itself, like what did you think about ignore the the plot line of the main season? What did you think about this episode?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

It it was alright. I mean, I what I would not have for you. I would not have called it one of the best episodes in the series at all. And maybe maybe Would you say good as a standalone solo episode in a vacuum? Trying everything you can to say something good. I will add I will add terms and conditions to agree that it was good in some specific universe. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:15

Would you say great?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:16

No. Push it. Pushing it. I think, but I think my viewer, my viewing experience is absolutely tainted by the fact that I'm thinking about it from a bigger picture perspective. And I can't appreciate things as much. It just won't work as well for me. Sure. Mimish.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:40

Um okay, so I think as an episode on its own, I do think it's a great episode. Um I think firecracker from the looks a bit carried from what I remember. Um I have second thoughts about the Noir storyline. I did like to see it, but then the constant thing in my head when I was looking at the episode was this is the finale, this is the finale season. This is like, what are we doing here? We've got three weeks left until this is all over, and I'm here and I'm looking at the storyline with black noir wanting to act, right? I don't want to see that, you know. It's not a thing where it's it's it's it's it's it feels like the season doesn't know. It's it's I don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:27

Sorry, that is okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:29

Yeah, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:29

I don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

I don't want I don't I don't want to see that. Listen, hey, the best character there is the British man.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:38

Hey, would you would you consider that racism?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:43

What's that?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:47

What Charlie just did. Would you consider that racism?

SPEAKER_07 1:14:49

We're brethren, bro. We're brethren, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:52

Listen, I would I would stand with Mimish over Charlie. I'm just saying. He said it was racism, and all agree. I'll be there to cancel Charlie.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:03

Sorry I interrupted you, Mimish. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:05

No, it's funny, it's funny. Um, okay, yeah, so uh yeah, didn't care about Blat Noir. Um and Sister Sage's story. Can I just talk about how that plan didn't really ask my entire season was like she's got to something insane, she's got some master plan. I had a theory where it was her and um the the Christian soup, I forgot his name is um Oh Father. Oh father. I thought I thought they were gonna have some crazy link hot where she had a master plan and they were trying to you know brainwash Homelander, right? But now looking at her plan, it's just she wants it to be released and she just wants to relax at her home while the whole world goes crazy. I'm thinking, okay, cool, but it's not really what I want to see right now. And it's we've got three, we've got three episodes left. We introduced V1. We've got someone say three.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:05

Sorry. We've got three fam. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:10

I thought I was I thought I was bugging in my head.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:12

Three bars.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:13

We've got three fam. We've got three, bruv.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:18

Hell yeah, maybe three episodes left.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:22

We introduced V1. It's a storyline. I don't think V1's been mentioned before. I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but it's never been mentioned before. V1 last season, maybe? No, maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:33

I think so. I can't remember. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

It's it's the main pivotal point right now for Homeland this season. Homelander's trying to get it. He's been going, he's been going like a headless truth to two different locations. Can't find it. This episode, if he doesn't find it, I've got really bad things. You know, I think he has to find it in this episode. I'll be bothered to the V1. I want him to get it. I I want him to go wild. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:00

Yeah. I I think this will be the episode we see like the big like lasers. And I think they might have even dropped a trailer yesterday. Um, I I don't know if that's an original thought or if I'm just like if I just subconsciously saw something yesterday.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:13

Are you talking about when he's on his knees and then like like shoots up lasers, his lasers up into the sky? Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:18

I didn't watch it. I saw it. That might have been okay. That might have been something that got released um either today or yesterday. But regardless, um, like I think this will be the episode we start getting some of that payoff. I think it was one of the best episodes of the series, though, dude. Like, this was really fucking good. Um, even just down to uh like uh uh I have notes here. Um MM and Butcher's conversation while they're sitting there. I think we're in the perspective of terror at this point, yeah. Um, and the roles are flipped where MM is losing all hope. Mm is the pessimist, and Butcher is the one that's in the role of trying to keep him up and trying to keep his spirits up. And when he's sitting there, like, I do what do I have to lose? And he's like, Butcher's like, your family, dude. Like, what would they think? Like, what do you think they would say to you? Um and and you can see MM kind of like ah fuck, yeah. Like, you know, especially with the arc that he's been on um this season of just like drinking all the time and not really caring. Butcher has to be the one that keeps him up in that moment. Um, the firecracker section, extremely hard to watch. Like, I think everything they dealt with there was just like so dark uh and just like horrifying. I think they're doing a really good job at showing uh Homelanders Homelander haunting everybody and Homelander haunting the narrative while not even being there. And they get to show like that, uh like psychologically break her down to uh to like bare bones to where she's turning in her her former mentor. Um, that was extremely hard to watch. I think the Black Noir section was also great. Um, I did say in my notes, while most of his stuff still feels like we're dragging in our final season, um, I'm not gonna sit here and deny that his section was really fucking good. And also just like like heartbreaking too. Like everything was just so heartbreaking. Um, like seeing him really happy at act, like acting and talking about how deep is like, and I know we like clown on the deep, and uh, you know, we've been we've had our like memes and whatnot, but like seeing seeing it from Black Noir's perspective, seeing it from his POV, I was like, dude, I hate the deep. Like, he's such a scumbag. Like, I genuinely hate that he's doing this stuff to Black Noir. Um and it that was also hard to watch. Um, and then the rest of these are things I'll get into later. But like, I I loved all of those points of views. I loved getting to sit with all of those because it felt like old the boys, uh, like Butcher and Huey's conversation. This has been a huge thing that I've been complaining about all season and all of season four. And he finally cuts back to the Lenny comparisons, dude. Finally, we finally see some sort of hints of the Lenny comparison to the point where he just tells Huey, like, hey man, you know what? We'll find some V1 and we'll give it to Starlight and Kimiko. Like, what whatever we do with it, we'll do that first and then we'll focus the rest with Homelander. Like, we have to do that, but I see where you're coming from. Like, oh bro, when Butcher dies, man, like this episode made it all hit so much harder. To where when when we when we see Butcher die, like that that's gonna that's gonna be it's gonna be hard, man. It's gonna be hard to watch because we're finally getting some of that fleshing out of his character, fleshing out of relationships with Huey and MM that was missing all of last season, and that honestly has been missing since he took Temp V. I'm gonna disagree with the last season part, but that's fine.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:00

Last season with Butcher. Because when he was on his when he was like in the hospital, like on his deathbed, or what he thought.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:07

Wait, but no, I'm talking about relationships with okay. No, no, I know.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:11

Yeah, he calls him, and then uh like he's he's he's telling he's talking to Huey about like um plans uh like the way to go about things afterwards, and like he's talking about it like he's gonna die. And he's like, just tell the boys, tell the boys I'm sorry for yeah, just just tell them I'm sorry. And like that's a I think that like that's a great moment, and I think that's great characterization for Butcher.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:36

It is, but like I feel like we needed more of that. Like that I was going into season four, expecting season four to have all of that, like Butcher and Huey, that being the focal point. Um, so since he took Temp B, we've only gotten little bits and pieces. Whereas you think back to like season two and even a little bit of season three, like Huey and M and Butcher were like boys, man. And and and Butcher actually actually cared for him. They did all the Lenny comparisons. So to see that come back, like this felt like classic the boys. I agree with everything you said with um how we're not plot progressing and how we're just moving the field goal post back even more with every episode. I don't care about this stuff as much as Ben. I we've talked about like other examples of this before. I don't care about that stuff as much. Um, because I I still think this was like one of the best episodes of the show. It's just it's just unfortunate where it's placed. Season five, episode five, final season, episode five. It's unfortunate where its placement is. However, I liked everything in this. I liked everything. Um I have a couple of with the exception, with the exception of Sage and Ashley's conversation. Ashley just uh everything that they're doing with her has been has been just very bad. I like the I like the premise of their conversation. I don't think Ashley needs to be in this season with her head talking and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:01

Then I wanna I wanna push back. You say you liked everything. Do you really genuinely like, and if you do, I want to hear why. Do you really genuinely like Sage's plan? Said to be the smartest person ever, like that is her super power is being the smartest person ever, and she has this ultimate plan. Are you really happy with what her ultimate plan is?

SPEAKER_09 1:23:24

So, whenever I said I was really happy with everything, one thing I didn't mention out of all of those POVs is Sage's POV because I completely forgot that existed. So I can I forgot about her entire section. Um so no, yeah, to answer your question, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:38

Um the thing is for me, I just don't know if that's true. Like, I feel like that could be part of her play is to sorry, I just feel like that could be part of it.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:47

No, no, no, no, no, take it away. Yeah, no. Because I like because uh y'all would y'all would add more conversation to or y'all would add more to this than I would. So okay. I no no no. That's I I just I I knew voting Legos, tell them to fuck off, Charlie.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:04

I'm not gonna hey hands up. I stopped as soon as I got brought back in.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:10

I I feel I feel like it's a there's a possibility she could just be this could be part of her plan too, is just to to make Ashley act a certain way, maybe. Uh like tell her the most terrifying version of what she could think that Sage is trying to do. Otherwise, I agree with you, Ben. Like, I'd I think that that's stupid. That's something that she could just do now, with the exception of maybe like Homelander uh could could could find her, Homelander could find her still somehow, maybe, if she just went and did that right now. But there's also the element that I will give to her and and the writers, if this is the path that they're going down, is that like Sage has a reason to hate most people, if not everybody. I mean, like she she grew up, her parent, uh, her parents disowned her because she they thought her parents, her her powers were lame, uh, and then uh everybody shunned her and to the point where she made she made the cure for cancer or something like that. Uh and they just I can't remember why they got rid of it, but they they basically brushed her. Maybe I think because she was a kid or something, they just like didn't listen to her or something like that. So like she has reasons for it, but I just don't that that's that's still very extreme. And I don't, I don't, I'm not trying to justify it in any way because I I just think I still think it's a lame plan. Um one thing I wanted to touch on with what you said though, Aiden, about Butcher specifically. I agree with you. I think that that is uh a great moment with with Butcher, both Butcher uh and Huey and Butcher and MM. My problem with it comes in with the fact, and like you guys might be fine with this because I know you guys don't like season four that much, but just with the entire his arc in season four is very much like shredding his humanity. Like that's part of what he needs to do in order to survive because like he was fighting it for so long, fighting Castler and uh uh and and and and and and that urge to just go all out. Uh, and that's what was was kill killing him even further and further until he fully dived into it all, then he was able to to to come out of the other side healthy again. So now to see him here encouraging MM to think about his family and not just the mission and encouraging Huey to keep potentially keep Kimiko and and and and Annie alive, I just don't like from where his character was, I just don't know that that makes a lot of sense. I mean, especially like combine that with the fact that two or three episodes ago, the way he was treating Ryan, like he was treating Ryan like a fucking asshole, and like that was in character for where they left his character in season four.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:57

But like I think that's the reason why he is the way he is now. Like, I think that fucked him up. Like, is that crazy to say that? With what happened to Ryan? Yeah. I mean, maybe I guess but like he was on.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:11

If that really mattered to him, why is he not trying? Why did he not after Ryan left again after he like brought him back to the base to heal him up or whatever, why didn't he try to like chase him down if or feel some sort of like I don't know, uh code or or some some parentage towards him, so like some some sort of familiarity, some need to be there for him. Uh I don't know. Like I and if that's the case, if that was what changed him, I don't think that that was conveyed uh at all or very well if it was conveyed. Um but and there's there's probably some merit to what you're saying. I just and I uh like I like like you're saying, I do like it. I like it the human side of Butcher much more than the the stupid alien kill everything version of him. I just think that it's out of character for where he is right now. Like it's just it just didn't make a lot of sense to to put it where it is now. Like it like you said, it feels like old butcher, it feels like old boys, but like that's not where we are now.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:11

So I I think he's still on this path. I think he's I think he's um I think he still wants to release the virus if he if it does come out. Like I I would love for Butcher to have uh Tana Villanot. Uh I don't know if that's the same thing you guys, but uh a way where he says like the virus is here, his whole pan was to get rid of all soups. I don't care no more. I'm just gonna do it, you know? Um I'd love for him to do that. But at this point right now, we've got it's it's it's I'm just very I'm a bit confused right now. The way this this this can go is I don't know, like where are the Gen V characters?

SPEAKER_07 1:28:58

Yeah, like they're trash with their cancelled show. I think they're gonna show up real soon, but I don't think they'll be here for any like substantial amount of time.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:07

Charlie, haven't we said this for like three weeks where I'm like, where's the Gen V characters? And you're like, Yeah, I think they're coming soon, and then every week.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:15

Yeah, here we go again. See you see you see you next week, folks.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:20

Um Memish, I wanted to ask you because uh you you tweeted that you have like a an official prediction or where you think things are going. Yeah, I stayed away from the restaurant. Yeah, and you and I so I want to can you break that here for us? Can you give us the scoop? Can you give us the exclusive memish prediction?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:42

Spoiler warrant, by the way.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:44

Yeah, bro. Mimish is secretly a uh VFX artist for for Amazon, and he's been working on that shit in turn, gonna sign that little NDA.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:54

You know, he worked on the slow-mo in terror's dreams.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:59

That took a long while.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:00

That took a long while to do, I'll tell you a long while, a long while.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:06

A long while. Anywho, um I predict that Homelander is this is not in any order, so this can happen in any other decks of okay. I think Homelander is going to acquire V1 and in put it in him. That's the way I think he's gonna be a good one. Uh through bombside or whatever, through Soldier Boy. I don't think Soldier Boy is gonna have a half where he turns around on Homelander. I think they're gonna stay together. Um mainly because I think of their connection with Stormfront, they haven't really mentioned that yet. So I think that's that's they're in looking at how last episode was when he stopped marathoning his people to kill Homelander. Um I don't think that's my weirdo. Yeah, so I don't think I don't think I'm gonna turn around on him. Um and I also do think after seeing this is a bit of a I don't know if you guys have seen the trailers, like the actual main trailers for the boys.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:09

Um I think I've seen them all, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:13

Obviously, Homelander being in the White House.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:16

I think I think he's going to kill the president after he takes V1.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:24

I I could I I I like that. I like that a lot. I think he I think he genuinely could like put himself in a position of power. Yeah, like who's gonna be able to do that? Especially after he gets the V1. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:36

I don't think that's gonna happen after the V1. And I'd I I saw a video just like on my when when I was on one of my Doom Scrolls, and in the comics uh of the boys one of them one of them in the comics of the boys, which uh uh link uh meets uh with Homelander when Homelander's in the White House in like the Old War Office. Um is after he actually killed the president in the comics, and noir's there, but I don't think they're gonna it doesn't make sense for Noir to be in the show because it's a different Noir. Um also yeah, talking about Noir the I think Oh wait, yeah, no, no, okay. Oh yeah, yeah, with the comics. Um in the comics, Noir takes off his mask and it's Homeland. Yeah, yeah. But obviously don't it doesn't make any sense for them to do anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:26

Yeah, they're not doing that.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:28

Um but talking about the new Noir, I do think he is sadly gonna die. Looking at how this last episode was, every character apart from Sage and Soldier Boy, Starlight's dead, I can see Tara dying and the butcher going AYR. And looking at how the boys is, they don't really like to give good characters like a good redemption, not good redemption, but like the deep is such a prick. And he's been he's been getting away with it for too long, and I think he's gonna get away with it again. And let's be really honest.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:09

Best character, by the way, best character. What I hope you're joking. I hope you're joking.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:18

No cap on God, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:19

No cap on God, bro. Um, but yeah, I do think the way he's such a prick, he's been getting away with it for so many seasons. Yeah, I just don't feel like I would actually feel a bit bittersweet if noir kills. I know everyone will be happy with oh my god, the noir, he's got his get back. But I I would want the deep to die in a worse way than getting killed by the noir. And I and I and I do think the deep will will he just gets away with it. He's still sly, I can see him killing him. So that's that's one thing. And out of the boys, I think Watcher, if he does go in his hot like, you know, angry arc and turns on everyone and tries to release the virus to everyone. I can see him dying. Um what would be cliche, not cliche, what would be like I can't I can't say the word, but what would be good like a good ending towards for him? I could see maybe um Orion killing him, but then I don't feel like that would work. Look at just looking into like the Huey had to kill him.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:22

Somehow he would have found a way to kill him.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:25

That would be had to do it. Yeah, I like that. Actually, that would be funny.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:29

The person who brought him into all this, golly.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:33

Kills him.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:33

Oh, and Huey's gotta kill him.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:36

I like that. Um wait, the person that brought him into all this?

SPEAKER_07 1:34:39

What do you mean by butcher brought Huey into all this?

SPEAKER_09 1:34:41

I mean, technically, A Train, like I thought you were saying Huey were saying Huey brought uh Butcher and all this. I was like, what?

SPEAKER_08 1:34:48

No, anyway. Huey would have to kill the person who brought him into this. Yes, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:53

Um and I do think it's between Frenchie and Chimical dying, one of those two. And I just think Frenchie. Frenchie's the one to die.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:03

Yeah, I just think Chimical's powers. I think Chemical's gonna go ape shit. She's gonna go crazy. But her powers are so I don't think they've gone into it properly. Like they could do a lot with her powers, but she can regenerate from anything, she's dead from crazy. Literally from anything, and they should utilize that. Oh, and also one really big hot take that really did annoy me. I'm gonna look straight into the camera. What is this uranium business that they did in the last two episodes with like homelander can't handle uranium? And yeah, I I didn't get that.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:37

Like I just went to the well, you know, I feel like I feel like that could lob something crazy for episode seven.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:48

I wonder yeah, even like under like those with v1. I I wonder if that's still like an effect on them.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:57

I was uh I like I was working uh from home today, and I um threw on a new rockstars video just breaking down last episode, right? I was just like, I haven't watched new rockstars in a while. Like, I'll just throw this on. We're talking about the episode later, never, never. Um so I watched it and uh it was Jessica. Um, so I guess she's taking on a lot of the boys' stuff, so yeah, you know, first name basis. Uh but I never watched an episode, bro. I don't know if Jessica is okay. Yeah, that's bad. I just exposed myself. Um so she's she was uh she was talking about how Butcher was wheeling a lot of like really old when him and MM were talking, a lot of old uh devices and whatnot. Um, and then last episode ended off on him watching Soldier Boy's trials, like all of the abuse that they would do to Soldier Boy, all of the tests that they would do on him. He was watching like old VHS tapes of what they were doing to Soldier Boy. So I I could see a scenario where they're kind of trying to rig up a little uranium trap or something, um, as kind of or or either that or manufacturing a way to depower him because Soldier Boy won't do it, um using whatever it is that they're working on in the background of this episode. So yeah, there you go. That's my little off the off the top of my head theory. Yeah, and by the way, New Rockstar didn't say that, and y'all can go check that video too. I did not feel that from them. I'm I'm sorry, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go check that. I don't watch I don't watch them, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:36

I don't watch them.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:39

Uh um see, okay, for me, um something that I uh I guess I another thing that I have an issue with this episode is and it's also I guess bleeds into last episode. We just got done establishing over the last three episodes that Soldier Boy is immortal um because of V1. And why are so then why are we walking around with Soldier Boy and Homelander? We're acting like Homelander spared Soldier Boy last episode. Like he he could have killed him with his laser eyes, is what they're trying to make it sound like. But he's immortal. You just got done telling me he's immortal. How he's not gonna kill him with that. Like what are we talking about? What like what do we mean? So I I just don't what kind of how are you gonna in the at the same at the same time that you're telling me how immortal he is, you're then in the like the very next episode say, oh Homelander could have killed him. So now, because he didn't kill him, Soldier Boy is like, well, he's my little asexual weirdo and he could have killed me, and I owe him this. Like, what, bro? Well, he couldn't have killed you. What do you mean? What do you mean he could he could have killed you? You're immortal. We just established this. That's why he wants it, so he can be immortal. Like, what are we talking about, man? I agree. I don't know. I don't understand that actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:03

Yeah, I didn't keep that. That's true.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:06

It just don't make sense, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:08

That's more of like a cinema sense thing, but like also it's a little bit it's a little bit past that. It's a little bit past cinema sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:15

It's redeemable. Like the three episodes right now that they're gonna have, I think it's somewhat redeemable. They can do something, obviously. It's not like a thing where they can't, but it's just it's not looking good, bruv. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 1:39:28

Not a mean, bruv. It's not looking good, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:32

It's not looking good, bruv.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:34

Not a mean, not a mean.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:37

Well, here's to uh here's to a good episode six, boys. Let's hope tomorrow morning we will wake up Charlie in the afternoon, whatever it may be, and we'll see if we have uh a banger on our hands. I really hope we do.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:53

When does it come off you guys?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:55

Just casual, like, eh. Charlie, you lazy ass bitch, you'll wake up sometime.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:00

No, because you watch it in the afternoon. Yeah, you're not I go um it comes out for our time. Well, so it's all different. Me and Ben, right now for me and Ben, it's 10 40, it'll come out at 2 a.m. For Charlie, it's 8 40, it'll come out at 12. So midnight. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:17

And Meme ish for you, it'll come out mine's in four hours ish for you and I'll be not it's at 8 a.m. So it's now 4 40.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:26

Damn, memeish. Yeah, you will grind on my boy. You agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:29

I know, man, I know, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:33

But I mean, I guess go ahead, Ben.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:38

Oh, because I think we're about to transition out if you're about to say something else about the boys.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:41

Yeah, I just I didn't talk much about this episode and kind of gave my initial thoughts, but I think truthfully, and I kind of had this with Stranger Things, and I've you know, just whatever. Uh, even with a first season of something like Pluribus, I had I had this too. But after Gen V season two, and now after this, like I get to a point within a season where I don't think it's redeemable. And it's like, even if we get three amazing, amazing, amazing episodes and I'm happy with how they end things, does that change how I feel about these first five? No, it doesn't. So between Gen V season two and now leading into this, overall will I look back and be happy with how they ended things? No, I won't.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:31

Okay, well, way to way to leave us on a horrible note, man. Yeah, the virus are down.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:36

It's just crazy that we think this episode, this episode, like this episode's all right, bro. That's just crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:42

Hey, we got to good, we got to good, not great. Yeah, I guess yeah. We got the are you drinking the ghost energy at 9 p.m.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:49

Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:51

Does cafe not affect you? I said that, yeah, bro. I I don't I genuinely don't. I could probably I could go to sleep right now.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:58

Yeah, well, you work those morning shifts, so you're you're like that. Is like blue collar, you know how blue-collar people have those like rock hard hands, like you have like me boy. Mine are from the gym, though. No, not hands. I was going in a completely different direction, anyways. You know what they say on to our on to our final episode uh of our second weekly show that we're getting because it's no longer three, and boy, did I miss Invincible this week. I'll tell you what, we got Daredevil Born Again, episode seven. Yes, boom, I got it right. Episode seven, finale is out right now. This is the spiel I gave earlier before we pivoted to the boys. Memish, are you dipping out on us?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:46

Um, if there's another segment after this, that can stay to the boys. I think about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:51

Yeah, Daredevil's Daredevil's it, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:53

Man, that's okay. Yeah, no worries. Okay, thank you for coming on.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:59

We love you, brother.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:00

Love you, man. Always, guys. I love you guys, too, man. I love you guys too.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:04

Bloody hell, fam. I love you. Love you too, mate. I love you too, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:09

Best podcast ever, bruv. Hey, proye.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:14

It's four. No, no, no, no. Oh, you triggered it with that one. Dude, boy, bro. His voice is so much deeper, bro, since the last time he was on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:30

I feel like all of us have grown up. I mean, I was even I was even I was talking when I was talking to John earlier, and um, we were talking about content stuff, and he's like, dude, you haven't posted uh short form content for the podcast in like months. And then he like pulled it up and he he clicked on one, and I was just like, I actually like sound way more monotone, even just like four or five months ago, compared to like I feel like there's better energy now with how I talk, and maybe that's just a mental thing, but I watched the clip and I was just like, I feel like I'm not as energetic in these clips as I am nowadays.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:09

I I I I run into that a lot. I don't even know if it has anything to do with like just mindset or if I'm just like I don't know, because I run into that too. I'm like, fuck, dude, I sound like I'm a fucking loser on the holy shit. Trying to be relatable, but you're on your own there. Uh episode seven of Daredevil Born Again Season Two. Our reactions, our thoughts, our fun little game in three, two, one.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:51

Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Ben, what the fuck are you doing, man? Fuck get fucking locked in, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:01

Here's the thing, here's the thing. I'm with like I'm 100% with you guys, but I I think I've been I've been having a midlife crisis with this show, I'll be honest with you. You've been getting misled. Every single episode, especially like ever since like episode three, episode four, has been really, really good, if not like absolute peak. And this is an example of another really good episode. I don't know what it is. I feel like I'm not enjoying the show as much as I should. Like, I watch it and it's good, and then for some reason, it's like I don't feel the weight of us being in like a great season of Daredevil. I don't get as excited week by week to watch the next episode of the show. I don't know what it is, it's not sticking with me.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:52

And I don't think I I'm like, I could see that. I mean, it's not that I agree, but like I could see, I could see where that comes from. Like, I and I think I felt that more last week, which is why I came in and was like, first half of the episode was dragon, man. And like, gosh, and that's maybe that's why the because I want to let Ben finish, but like, yeah, I'm also I'm I'm even getting annoyed a little bit with Karen this season when I look back at it. I'm like, I'm not the biggest fan of her of her character all that much. I don't know. I'm I'm even getting a little bit annoyed with her. I just she which I get it, like she just lost Foggy. It's kind of like I don't know, uh, I'm gonna get cooked for this. How I felt about Mark the first couple episodes of Invincible Season 4, emo Mark, just like moping around, emo Mark. Kind of feels like the same thing with Karen. Okay, Ben, could I do want you to continue though, because I cut you off. I do want you to continue with your thoughts on yeah, why you're in this one?

SPEAKER_02 1:46:54

I don't I don't know exactly what it is because if even if you look back to last week, like I was so excited to watch the next episode. And I I feel like I I hit that high on Tuesdays when it comes out. But for whatever reason, even though we're getting an amazing season of television here and we're getting a great season of Daredevil, which is a show that I absolutely love, even though that's the case, it doesn't feel that way outside of like when I'm watching, I watched the episode, and then it doesn't linger with me that like, oh my gosh, I love that we're getting peak Daredevil. That was happening with Invincible, that was happening last year with Andor, that was happening with what's some other recent great shows, the penguin. Like there's some really good recent examples where when we're getting peak television, it sticks with me. And I look back and I view it in an amazing way. This season has almost like flown by with great moments, but almost like feels like it's just gonna come and go, and I'm not really like fully embracing or enjoying a really good season of Daredevil, and I don't know why that's happening, like it's not an intentional thing. It's kind of just like I had a perspective moment of like the finale's coming out tonight, it's been a great season. It just doesn't feel like I've had two months of great Daredevil, even though I have, and I don't know what's causing that.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:21

You bought into the Nielsen numbers, man. You bought into the Nielsen numbers, you let them get to you, and now you're thinking, oh, it's not the popular opinion to like this show anymore. And I can't do it, can't do it. Can't like it anymore. Listen, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:34

I appreciate the rage bait. I would also appreciate something genuine and insightful. I'm always genuine and insightful, buddy. I still genuine and insightful. I still review every episode very, very highly, especially these last couple of weeks. That's still true. True, it's just everything, everything in between, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:56

Um, well, I mean, I don't I can't tell you why you feel that way, but uh well, do you relate at all? Do you understand what I'm saying? No, I'm not a no. Uh just flat out no. Wow. This is better than season one. So I like that's why I like if you felt the good, if you felt what you're describing with season one, I I truly do not understand how you could not feel that here. Uh I think we're in agreement in the fact that what we were told as this back half of the season is not as as good as as as those who got to see it before us uh are are putting had had put forth. But uh I don't think that it's so demonstrably different to the point where like I don't look back on each episode fondly. Because it's I mean, two episodes ago we got episode five that we said was a phenomenal episode in in every facet that that were that was that was possible. to to be graded from. And sure, it slumped a little with last episode a little. And I think that it was relatively, it wasn't brought back to the episode five levels, but it was brought back up with this episode, I would say. And I especially with like the significant things that happen in this episode. And I'm I I'm curious because what Aiden and I know is about to happen in this finale. I'm curious what your uh opinion is going to be after that. So we won't know that until next episode of the podcast. But um I'm curious to see if you still hold that position.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:46

I have a guess only based on like the finale little trailer that came out.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:52

I didn't know there was a finale trailer that came out.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:54

I was just about to ask if you saw the clip from today's uh Charlie with um I did not Matt and uh well then well Matt and Fisk but oh yeah I did not see that Ben what did you I didn't watch the trailer either I just saw one clip of Matt talking to Fisk.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:09

But what I don't I honestly I honestly don't know what I saw but I saw I saw Fisk in prison like fighting people in a prison. I don't know if he was in prison or if he was fighting other people who are in a prison.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:29

Oh god I want to watch this episode so bad yeah I'm not off of hearing that you guys but off of hearing that my mind immediately goes to uh like because Karen's still in jail not prison but jail and like imagine like a mob runs in it because the city's turning against Kingpin and then like he has to fight a couple of people have you seen the set three pictures or the season three set pictures uh some I saw the one that was posted and then taken down by no not by person no no no not by him I'm talking about the actual like they were taking pictures outside while they're filming season three like paparazzi caught some setup oh wait oh I did see the most recent one okay I saw one of that as well I okay then you go ahead and say it because we don't care I saw Lady Muse. Okay I saw that as well I also saw a big beard what the fuck okay all right you you would definitely you would definitely know what you're uh whatever we'll leave we'll leave it for later uh it's not uh it's not like any new characters or nothing okay no then I think I know what you're talking about then I think I know what you're talking about but that's like that was something with the that the person posted and then got taken down no no no no no no no no no no no not his beard a different person's beard what okay whatever whatever we're getting yeah we're fit um so oh really okay yeah that's interesting okay um but anyway yeah I I'd be interested I can't wait till next week to find out if like you still hold that opinion after what happens in the finale what we know happens in the finale um so but like again I can't tell you why you feel that way uh and I can't even really get into it's like so uh like a deep thought experiment as to why you might feel that way maybe other than the fact that like there's not much going on with the main character himself in terms of like a an actual storyline for him to to to follow with and I still I've said that for weeks now and I think that that's still the case.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:05

Like for Matt Murdoch himself uh right now I just don't think that there's much uh much going on for him character development wise I think there's a lot happening around him the characters around him they're all being handled great uh very well um but for him specifically I just think that he's kind of lacking a little bit not that he hasn't had moments I mean I point back to episode five with him going back for for for poindex for Benjamin Poindexter uh bullseye but beyond that it's I don't know it's it's grim it's grim for our boy do you think the quality has anything to do with it and when I say quality I mean like Disney Plus you know like this doesn't look as as sexy as you know maybe Loki would look or maybe Netflix daredevil look like do you maybe think that has a bit to do with it because I would feel that way I do I was just gonna say last episode I did it was a little the like when they put the project projectors up and it was everyone kind of saying their testament I think that was a little bit corny or like cringe to me a little bit. And so some sometimes I link that stuff to the product like okay is this Disney kind of being like oh what does a Gen Z fella say these days or is this like the showrunners being like what does a Gen Z fella say?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:28

All right no that's different all right that's fucking different all right and I've only seen clips all right I'm jumping the gun on the show anyways um uh yeah but I don't know sometimes I link those together so maybe that's it I don't know Charlie what were you gonna say do you feel that way the way that you feel about season two I can't remember if I asked you this already do you feel that way about season one see that's the thing although I a hundred percent agree that this season is a good margin better than season one probably will make me reflect on season one more poorly and closer to what you guys think to be honest put the hand up accountability even though I think that's the case I don't think that my hype on a week to week basis of the fact that we're getting a Daredevil show is as high as it was during season one. And I don't know if that's like a I was that was Daredevil first coming back yeah right I don't know if that plays a factor and now we're getting a season every year and like yeah it's great and getting routine shows every year that are peak i.e invincible like that can be really really amazing I don't know what exactly it is I think there could potentially be a cultural aspect to it like I brought up here multiple times the amount of memes that we got that combined like invincible with the boys Daredevil was never a part of that bro bro deleted tick tock and he's still he's still brain rotted bro okay it's crazy not brain rot not brain rot it follows it follows you are you're you have a guy in the call here named Aiden and this guy is the biggest brain rotter I know talking about invince a day for the last like two three years like he's been on oh that's a great poll dude he has been on that for yeah literally years he he is oh my he is absolutely taking the cake when it comes to brain rot when it comes to the media that we're watching but invinci I love it yeah I know you do but maybe part of it is and I this sentiment has been said to me by my friends who are not big Marvel guys but are still into like the Daredevil stuff they're tired of Fisk.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:46

Uh they're they think that Fisk has been overplayed uh and they're they're they're they want to move on from Fisk and to to to other villains. And I funnily enough I just recently saw uh I think it was one of the showrunners or head writers uh back on uh Netflix Daredevil and the plans that they had for season four uh season five bringing bullseye back and none of those were really involved at least from what they said uh involved Fisk involved Kingpin at all so I don't know like I don't know if that plays a role for you I don't like it doesn't sound like it does just because you liked episode five a lot just like us and that was a that was a a Fisk heavy episode one of the best Fisk performances we've ever had we said that after when we were talking about that episode so I don't know man I think you just need to grow up get some big boy tastes set the stuff aside man that's the thing I like I wasn't bringing it up hoping you guys could break it down pick apart my brain and figure it out for you I was more so expressing like that's kind of where I'm at and I feel like I've seen that sentiment uh a little bit online um a little bit of just like the yeah week after week it's great but I'm not as excited as I feel like I should be I've seen a little bit of that and I don't know if there's like hive mind that that's just like poisoning my brain somehow.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:15

I have no clue. Telling you about the Nielsen stuff you letting it get to you bro I I couldn't be me man couldn't be me less I could absolutely care less about how many people watch the show but um I don't I don't know exactly what it is um because because like every every single piece of praise that you would give this show I'm right there with you I I love this show um like I like we talked about with Daredevil season born again season one I was a bigger fan of that than you guys were like absolutely I'm there this has been peak I'm excited for the finale um but I worry about this not sticking with me as much as I feel like it should consider it's a a peak overall a peak season of a show that I love yeah um I don't know man yeah I'm sorry you feel that way I guess because I think that this episode specifically for the Daniel of it all yes great stuff great stuff man dude it's just uh like Daniel eventually you're gonna tell me where she is fuck you Buck oh my gosh bro oh my gosh holy how long how long until you're on the ground with the gun pointed at you oh yes dude that was my favorite his last words just being like bro this cycle is just always going to exist it is never gonna be broken you're gonna be right where I'm at I could I love this my heart dropped man I didn't think he was actually gonna shoot and when he when the when the bullet when it flew man he he had to though like sure yeah they like they teed this up perfect with episode five and how much really I was really because like Daniel bro yeah I get that but like I think I think it would have taken too much away from Buck's character to be honest with you like as as much as I like a redemptive arc and whatever it's like Buck being the guy who stands on business he's gonna kill Daniel and if he doesn't then that really kind of but his words still stuck with Daniel's words still stuck with him to some degree absolutely to make him even hesitate like that's how you know that yeah but if you if he actually didn't go through with it then he's just not as much of that guy as we were led to believe in the past.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:45

So it it's like unfortunately one of the Wesley wouldn't even get hung up on the words bro shut up bitch.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:52

Straight face yeah yeah um no but I I know that the actor who plays BB recently said in an interview that they are like originally they had a version where he did leave live and and Buck let him let him leave. So um yeah I know that they were probably toying with that idea and that's something you probably go back and forth on a lot as you get as you try and figure out where you want the tone to land narratively where you want things to land but the fact that they were like I understand going back and forth but they were serious enough to ultimately land on the what I think is the right decision I think is a testament to them understanding the tone of the show and where things are at.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:35

Sure fully agree yeah well the fact that dude they had they had breakfast dinner with this mom the day before or the episode before like oh man this is brutal this is this is absolutely brutal oh dude Matt stepping in like a cameo in his own fucking show with a lawyer I was I was out my seat man I was out of my seat man it was so I I don't know how I didn't see it coming at all just what oh my god when he walked into the courtroom so fuck I was all for I was there coming no I didn't I didn't I don't know why I didn't see it coming that the way that Karen was just when he was just like well there you know there's another way and she's like no you can't you can't it's like that's why once I thought back to it I was like how did I not see that coming but it's like the options were kind of it's like he either outs himself as Daredevil because that like that is an angle that I feel like the door was open to which is Matt Murdoch being a hero uh in the eyes of the public and then revealing that he's daredevil uh and kind of you know using that to try and try and get some motion and whatnot but um the the only other option was that he was gonna he was gonna or farm in the courtroom.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:53

What what was all in that final trailer you saw Ben uh I didn't actually see like the whole trailer like I didn't sit and specifically watch the whole trailer like okay okay genuinely what I described was like a three second clip and it was a couple days ago and I yeah I don't really remember anything else from it okay because honestly it could have been AI like I don't I gotta I have no clue.

SPEAKER_09 2:04:22

Okay I saw somebody actually post a clip they're like oh first look at tonight's episode when Daredevil says this um well Matt says this and uh so yeah I just didn't know if that was like because I was wondering where people got that from because it's like a pretty big moment like I watch it and I'm like okay this feels like something I would not have wanted to see right now I would have wanted to see in the episode so I just didn't know where people were getting oh um I remember where I saw it now I saw it because somebody like showed that clip that I described with Kingpin and he was fighting some people in prison and it was kind of like it looked similar to in the Spider-Man brand new day trailer uh with like the hand in that prison like it looked similar to that so people were pointing that out and that like that's why I saw just that clip huh okay yeah uh also another shout out for me is the uh Karen and Heather scene I thought that was a uh a really really well done moment yeah it's funny I saw somebody I I I forget what the rule is it's uh oh gosh it's some rule where it's like you have two uh two female actors on on camera and it's just them not talking about a man at all a man yeah I think it's the the Bechtel test no bechtel test does sound good does sound good and someone was like oh like the Bechtel test some something about the Bechtel test and someone was like this is a complete fucking opposite of the Bechtel test because all they talk about is guys like all their entire conversation is is about guys it's like oh damn complete fail failed the test entirely I thought it was a pretty good scene though yeah I mean it I'm so annoyed with Heather god I hate Heather but sure what she provided in this scene was pretty she was cooking she was getting under Karen's skin and that was that was pretty cool to see yeah that was a good scene I don't what's with the Heather hate I guess I don't really understand that she's just fucking like I don't know for me I think she's just like not an interesting character uh she's kind of just been moping around like with the most one thing Aiden hates is emo emo emo moping characters one thing Aiden hates yeah man like pick yourself up i i like bro i need hero mark back bro i need hero mark to look his dad in the face and say i don't give a fuck about wiltrum um no i don't know i i it's just like they've it's it's a season long arc to set up lady muse that's all she has been and it just it gets old after a while like when we're cutting to her uh over other characters like man i would have loved some more daniel and bb over this season uh rather than getting uh heather so that's where it comes from for me i'm just kind of tired of like caring about her character yeah yeah i mean i i i agree and i think there's been too much significance and time put into it but yeah i am a fan of like the arc itself i just think it's been i think it's been overly focused on and could have been utilized a little better see i don't like just what is the arc is it just her having visions of muse and and then eventually just breaking because of it is that the arc because yeah well and they haven't they haven't gone deep enough they haven't gone deep enough with it um so a lot of this is like implied but the idea of somebody who like goes through something traumatic and like it is traumatic for her but like there's also kind of like a deeper psychotic attraction to it in a way yeah that can be interesting have they handled that well or done it in an interesting enough way no don't think so but like me filling in the gaps of like this is a cool prospect and a cool idea that's what I would lean to with it.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:47

It feels like maybe they wanted to uh do like that cliche have the character talk to a therapist so he can under just plainly understand what that character's thinking and feeling at all times kind of like they did last season with heather Heather being a therapist and having Fisk and Vanessa go see her. And but they didn't want to do that this time around so they and especially because Heather's already a therapist so they just had to find a different way to do it. And I do think I I think you're right that's the goal but I don't think I and I I you know as well as I do that it's just not a they didn't do a great job with conveying it. But I do like the way you're filling in the gaps for it for sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:29

Because yeah and I think that's a great angle I just wish they they fleshed it out more yeah yeah it's a great angle conceptually but the the time we've spent on it has not reaped enough of the benefit and if we're going straight into the next season and like we're making the jump to Lady Muse I don't think that they've bridged the gap enough.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:49

Because like the most I we've seen them flesh out her like fascination with it is when she's choking Buck. Like that's the one call out that I would find of her genuinely being like crossing that line of just being scarred by it and being fascinated by it.

SPEAKER_09 2:10:06

So freaky awe moment top 10 freaky aw moment was liking that too bro he's like you want me to kill Daniel baby girl I got you I got you uh Nadem mentioned my all-time GOAT yep yep yep you don't even know him bro shut up yo I look like him brought like that yo that's my doppelganger bro come on what please bro please say it please like a a darker ganger bro like that is not you not even close I will say my my older brother does look a lot like Nadim I will say he looks like like how y'all think I look like that that other dude well maybe not older brother bro doesn't know 32 31 he's my half brother so I don't really know 31 I don't know maybe a little bit older than that I'm not sure he did the Kevin Hart thing bro he might be older than that I'll show you a picture after we'll see okay I didn't know you I didn't know you had a brother to be honest with you yeah I got two brothers and a sister two both older brothers one older one younger uh 12 year old sister eleven she's 11 right now um Matt getting shot and going to going to pray in in church do you think that he was ready to just sit down there and bleed out or what do you think his game plan was there?

SPEAKER_07 2:11:48

Because interesting choice like I not an interesting choice. If that was his plan that makes sense he'd want to he'd want to go and and and and and die with God and and and in a place where he feels close to God. Sure. Like I'm 100% for his character. But it's like I just don't know if in this place in his life he's just like he's just gonna go there and and and not give up per se, but just I don't know, give up for lack of a better term.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:17

Where should he go? I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:21

I guess try to find try to find try to find Jessica. Try to find Jessica.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:28

I guess as far as he knew, Jessica Jessica found him. Jessica found him. But and I guess in fairness, he didn't Jessica said she was leaving. So like as far as he knew, Jessica had gone back home. Uh Cherry, maybe find Cherry. Uh Cherry was down there with him in the garage, matter of fact. So you just you just waddle off by yourself and just all right, God. I'm going with you, my boy.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:54

Can I ask something? This is my this might be a little bit off topic. I'm genuinely curious because I think I might have just missed something. Um, I also have ads on my Disney Plus, which sucks because then it breaks up and I'm like, all right, and I'll like get back to work and I'll be like, oh shit, and I just completely forget where we're at. Yeah. Uh why did the anti-vigilante task force just go down there done lazy? Like, yeah, like bro, y'all are still at y'all are still authority, and these are legal figures in the middle of a trial, and you're just down there letting that bitch go. Like that was so stunning to me. Like, did I miss something genuinely?

SPEAKER_07 2:13:30

Well, I think their plan was if they kill him, then they were going to out him as Daredevil and explain then they're like this. He tried to attack us, so we had to kill him. That I think that's what their game plan was.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:44

But you know, yeah, that was insane.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:47

I will actually I don't know that they I think that's Kingpin's game plan, I want to say, because the uh anti-vigilante task force does not know that he's Daredevil. They just oh well, I guess the one guy, Powell, knows that he's a blind guy that can kick ass, but that's it.

SPEAKER_11 2:14:02

That's the extent of it.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:04

Yeah, yeah. They should have, I mean, they should have everyone should have just left out front with like all the press and whatnot. Like, what I don't know why they go down out the back alley, like out of the way.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:17

Secret way, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 2:14:20

Anyway, sorry, Charlie, you were on a train of thought before with Daredevil bleeding out.

SPEAKER_07 2:14:24

Uh, I mean, I I finished I finished my point with that pretty much. Uh, I also want to say bullseye protecting the governor. Kinda cool, kinda cool. Very small moment, nothing, nothing major. But like, I I was left wondering what Matt told him to do. Like, you want to do one good thing, I got something for you. And I also just wonder the logistics of how Matt Huh?

SPEAKER_09 2:14:48

Yo, continue, continue.

SPEAKER_07 2:14:50

What I just wondered the logistics of how Matt knew that he was gonna be moving in on the governor. Like, where did Matt get that information from? Did he just take a guess?

SPEAKER_02 2:15:02

I thought they explained that.

SPEAKER_07 2:15:04

I don't, but that's the thing. If they did, I don't I don't remember.

SPEAKER_09 2:15:07

I thought he talked, did he not talk to Karen about that in the uh in the jail outside of the jail cell?

SPEAKER_02 2:15:13

There was a there was a conversation, and I'm not like I won't be as accurate as I would like to be about the context and everything of the conversation, but it was about uh whatever is happening happening within the mayoral race, and how at this point with where Kingpin is at, um like his support was going to be drawn, and then uh like essentially like he was gonna lose, basically, um was kind of discussed. And I think there was a comment that was made of just like oh yeah, well, like they're gonna try and take out they're gonna try and take her out. I I think some like alluding to the fact that she was just gonna she was gonna be a target for them to remove her from the competition based on kind of the political side of things, yeah, butchering the accuracy, but I remember that.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:04

Sure. Okay, I mean it was it wasn't always oi, oi coni omnanda, omnanda.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:13

This fucking nunce just called you a pussy.

SPEAKER_09 2:16:16

Point next to oh, I was gonna say, um, Mr. Charles, what the hell has been happening with like this has gone nowhere.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:25

Yeah, yeah. I it seems like his edition was simply just for like a little playoff of Kingpin sort of thing, and then also to give some extra story for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones as well, and maybe some potential season three stuff if they if that goes further. But one of the bigger disappointments. Yeah, even though I would he's yeah, he's really driving. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um what's his name, the actor's name again?

SPEAKER_08 2:16:58

Omnanda, Matthew Lillard. Matthew Liller, thank you.

SPEAKER_07 2:17:03

Uh he he's really good.

SPEAKER_10 2:17:04

He's still really good in the Anthony.

SPEAKER_07 2:17:08

Anthony, as Mimish would say. Anthony, bruv. Um but yeah, he does a good job. I just think that like now. We just we got him like sitting looking at a magazine in his underwear, and like that that was very Jessica Jones coded, though. That her showing up like that, like that was very much reminiscent of her show, and I I liked that. I I did enjoy that, but it's still just like uh and also I guess for the Allegra mention early on in the show, like that was he has a connection to her and how that's all working out. I don't know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knows? Maybe he's gotta get a big part in this finale. Who knows, man? Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 2:17:51

He might not be in the finale. All I all I know five minutes to set up season three.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:58

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_09 2:17:59

All I know is Omnanda graped me wife and took me bloody son. Took me bloody son.

unknown 2:18:06

Oi.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:07

Ui. When literally I'll just get like a random text throughout the week from John, and he just says oi, and then you e. Just the letters U and U. Oi, Ui.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:21

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:24

Is he cubing up?

SPEAKER_02 2:18:25

He's watching the boys as well. Yeah, okay. Nice, nice job. We actually consider we he uh brought up that the finale's gonna be playing in theaters. We'd have to drive like two and a half hours, and they just revealed the runtime as an hour. I'm not driving five total hours for a one-hour season finale of a show that I'm not even enjoying as much as I wish that I was. So I was like, absolutely not, but um, yeah, he's been watching, so we've been we've been talking about it, and then he he hasn't seen Daredevil last week's episode of Daredevil. He's just like, Yeah, man, like I didn't have time. I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, you know what comes out after Daredevil? The boys, and you've seen that episode, so you chose to watch the boys over Daredevil. You have no excuse.

SPEAKER_09 2:19:11

Nice, he's he's he's base, man. He has his priorities in in line, so based. Um, no, no, no, he's base because he has his priorities. Like, I respect a man that will say, I don't have time for this, but I watched this instead and not acknowledge it. I respect that. Um, well, with that, um Landa graped me wife and took me bloody son. Thank you everybody for watching this episode of Words from the Nerds Podcast. We had the boy Mimish on, it was a great time. It's been uh it's been too long, got me tearing up. The boy's getting old on us, um, and so are we. So if you want to look back in a couple years and grow with us from here on out, well told me but e Charlie that he is not old. Accent slipped off a little bit there.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:10

Um, yeah, yeah, just a little bit.

SPEAKER_09 2:20:12

Do all that fun stuff, like, comment, sub. Uh, had a big box office debate, which I was looking forward to. Went well, went swell. Um, let us know what you thought about that in the comments down below if you disagree with us. I know Brandon will probably have some choice words, so um, we'll be excited to hear Charlie read all that off in next episode. So, with that being said, um, show some love. Thank you for what for watching uh another episode. And uh Daredevil's over right now, so we're gonna go see how it ended, and uh we'll be back next week to give you all our thoughts. After this, man, it's just gonna be the boys for like three more weeks, and then we're gonna be back to being dry. So let's get some topics flowing. Comment some topics talk about.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:59

We got we got Punisher, we got Punisher the week after. There's Punisher, there's like movies almost every week.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:04

This week movies Punisher's still happening, I guess, with the boys as well.

SPEAKER_09 2:21:09

So, but also we we've had like Invincible or like Invincible Daredevil movie, invincible daredevil movie, the boys. Like we've had a ton of stuff. Now it's just we're gonna start to get into the area where it's a lot of just movies.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:24

We're gonna start to only have hour and a half episodes.

SPEAKER_07 2:21:27

Oh no, when are they announcing when are they announcing X-Men 97 season two? For like I'm getting nervous for that. I'm getting nervous. When are they announcing uh Vision Quest released Spider-Man? And when are they announcing Spider-Man release? Like, we don't know, yeah. We're all getting a little bit through the year, and we don't even know when these things are are dropping, they're supposed to come out this year. So, like what are we doing? Yeah, well, I know a lot of the time though that like they they they will announce it like a month or two in advance. So, like I don't know. It's it's not that far-fetched, but I just feel like I thought when did they when did they drop Wonder Man?

SPEAKER_09 2:22:08

When did they announce they were doing Wonderman?

SPEAKER_08 2:22:10

Well, we've known about Wonder Man for years, but like when it came out about the release date, yes.

SPEAKER_09 2:22:15

I'm talking about like whenever they came back and said it's coming out right now, middle of last year, like a long time in advance. So middle of last year, we knew that it was coming out in January.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:26

I think we knew we we thought December, then they pushed it back. Yeah, but they have they did, yeah, they did like a sizzle reel at the beginning of the year of all the shows that were coming out, and I I think that yeah, if I remember correctly, they might have put the month of December on on Wonder Man.

SPEAKER_09 2:22:43

X-Men 97 better be coming out, bro. Gosh, that's gonna be brutal. You're gonna have to pick something else, bro.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:49

You're gonna have to pick something else.

SPEAKER_09 2:22:50

That was my second pick. Like, it's not even about that, it's that I wasted my second pick.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:55

Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 2:22:56

Oh, if if X-Men 97 gets delayed, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:59

If it gets pushed out, he'd have to pick up.

SPEAKER_09 2:23:01

I'm like ultra screwed. I'm ultra screwed because that's a waste of a second pig. Like, fuck picking another project. It's a oh man.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:09

Anyway, also, um, so next week we'll have Daredevil finale. The week after we'll have Punisher Special. We'll still have the boys. May 27th, Spider Noir starts, which apparently I forgot about that. Is pretty good.

SPEAKER_09 2:23:23

All right, we'll have some we'll have some buffer there then. Maybe Mando movie, Mando movie. Oh my god. Lots of movies, some some TV shows sprinkled throughout there. Trust me, buddy. We're you're not letting us forget. Uh some shows sprinkled out there. Some shows sprinkled throughout there. So uh, you know, be sure to be sure to stick around, see how all of that pans out, see what happens with my second overall pick in the Rotten Tomatoes draft, and uh see if we have some more debates on the box office draft. So all that fun stuff you can catch it here and only here. Uh, we don't have Robert Kirkman, we have something way better. It's called chemistry. So uh, you know, we don't we also don't have murderers on our podcast.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:09

Adios.