What if your marriage could be as joy-filled and light-hearted as it was when you first started dating? What if the key to reconnecting and reinvigorating your relationship was simply reintroducing the joy that initially brought you together? Let's unwrap these and discover how to find or rekindle the intimacy of Joy in your marriage. A joyous relationship doesn't just happen; it's created intentionally - let's create together.
What if your marriage could be as joy-filled and light-hearted as it was when you first started dating? What if the key to reconnecting and reinvigorating your relationship was simply reintroducing the joy that initially brought you together? Let's unwrap these and discover how to find or rekindle the intimacy of Joy in your marriage. A joyous relationship doesn't just happen; it's created intentionally - let's create together.
Welcome to the Still Becoming One podcast. We are Brad and Kate.
Speaker 2:In our more than 20 years of marriage, we've survived both dark times and experienced restoration.
Speaker 1:Now as a licensed marriage counselor and relationship coaches. We help couples to regain hope and joy.
Speaker 2:We invite you to journey with us, as we are still becoming one.
Speaker 1:Let's start the conversation. Hello everyone, welcome back to Still Becoming One.
Speaker 2:Is that really what we're going with?
Speaker 1:Yes, I was trying to hit the record button before, but it didn't quite work.
Speaker 2:Wow, Welcome to Still Becoming One. And you didn't get that right.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't.
Speaker 2:Excellent, we're talking about joy today and I was just singing the joy song and I'm so glad you didn't get that in time.
Speaker 1:I tried Okay. I tried so it's a good way to start a conversation on joy.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. Yes, and we need to laugh because the past three weeks of our lives have been hard. I don't know how to describe that. It's just been tough, right, it's been heavy.
Speaker 1:And even in the podcast, like for the last what five weeks we've been discussing mental health and marriage and some really heavy topics that many of you are carrying and many of you are trying to deal with on a daily basis and just finding the heaviness, and so we were talking about where do we go from here, and we really just thought how important it is to talk about the intimacy of joy and how important that is to find in your marriage and your relationships.
Speaker 2:To laugh and just have fun and be silly.
Speaker 1:And that's why I was trying to catch Kate singing joy, joy, joy down in your hearts.
Speaker 2:You're not all going to get to hear that anyways, so my editor better not leave that in. So yes, you guys can actually look me up, because I am an opera singer, but not me someone with the exact same name, but if you want to hear singing, you're going to have to go listen to her. She's got the talent. I do not. I do sometimes get some of her emails, but that's about all I have as far as her talent.
Speaker 1:So I have the joy of podcasting with the wonderful Kate Aldrich. That is not the opera singer, kate Aldrich, who apparently, if you're in the opera world, is relatively famous.
Speaker 2:So yeah, which I'm also not in the opera world, but she seems stellar and we've exchanged emails, since you seem super sweet and probably you're related to her somehow. Probably she's from New England, brad's family's from New England, so, but yeah, so, yeah. So the last couple of weeks have been crazy with our website and emails and all that fun. And then our hot water heater is doing something funky, stopping working and check engine light is on in one of our cars.
Speaker 1:It's all the things, guys. It's all the things fighting for the joy fighting for the joy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because in the end that stuff doesn't matter, but it's stressful and, on top of our last couple of weeks, definitely probably not what we would have chosen for this week, as we're prepping and getting ready to go on our cruise with Jay from Hot Holy Humors next week, with lots to do.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So it's a great time to talk about joy and how do we keep it as the forefront of our relationship, even when you're going through hard things, or even when you're going through this stuff we were talking about with mental health.
Speaker 1:Or just the normal right. Like I always say, one of the times that we see couples healthy couples most often is in this space, where they are, have launched a couple kids, or maybe they're launching their kids and they start to recognize their kids, need them less and they look at each other and they go wow, I'm not sure we know each other anymore. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:I actually remember who you are and we have a lot of couples that seek us out in that space of just going. What do we do with this? And one of the things that's missing is just the joy and the excitement and the laughter and the fun from their relationship, because it's gotten to the place that most of it is about work and kids and the things that need done, not the things that actually brought them together in the first place.
Speaker 2:Right, and I think making those joyful things not about all of that can be super helpful.
Speaker 1:Yes, totally agree. I think you actually have to be purposeful and going to all. Right, look, we've talked all through the things that we need to talk about. Let's put that aside and have some fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, and I think that for us, in our relationship, I tend to want to do this. I tend to want to insert humor, which, that is, can be different than joy, like I tend to want to bring the lightheartedness, and that's harder for you.
Speaker 1:Yes, it sure is.
Speaker 2:You kind of get mad at me sometimes or annoyed.
Speaker 1:I struggle, when I'm in the middle of feeling heavy, to just be like oh, let me flip the switch and go for lighthearted.
Speaker 2:And I think that there are sometimes that's hard for me. I think that's human nature and natural, but I think you feel like it almost is invalidating the hardness that you're sitting in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, I don't know that's true, but I do very much want it right. But it's usually just I have to get there, I have to get my head around it, I have to go. Okay, we've done all the things we can about that situation. I've talked about it enough and then get to that space of wanting a different discussion or a different environment. And we get there, we'll talk about something at date night, or we'll talk about our kids when we're out at dinner, or something like that and then we'll just go.
Speaker 2:Okay, we need to stop and we need to do some things to find that intimacy of joy again, yeah, yeah, and I think that that can mean lots of different things for lots of different people. So this is a topic that is a little bit personalized, individualized, trying to figure out what brings you joy. When I talk with women and we do story work, a lot of learning about self-care to me is actually learning about what brings you joy. Yeah, because joy gives us those pause, moments of like exhale Right, they're like okay, you know just those moments that help you kind of refresh just a little bit. Like it's.
Speaker 2:It doesn't, I say all the time, it doesn't fix everything, it doesn't make oh it doesn't make our website better, it doesn't make the emails work correctly, but it gives you that moment, that pause of like. Okay, but you know, I can sit in a different space, even when all of this is hard and, like you said, even when life is good we can feel more connected to joy. But we can actually lose a connection with it because we're just kind of going, because nothing is sort of rubbing us the wrong way or whatnot. So I think it's important to keep refocusing on it, no matter what's going on.
Speaker 1:No, I think that's an interesting point that you make of. I think this is something every couple struggles with at times, right Like we're, we have to seek out joy, right.
Speaker 1:Like we actually have to look for it, I think, and going through our normal day to day life, we're probably not going to be very purposeful in doing that, and so I think this is one of the reasons why it's so important to talk about the intimacy of joy in your relationship, because, man, it's so easy for that to disappear without us even really knowing. Think about right now when is the last time that you found yourself laughing with your spouse?
Speaker 2:Well, we just were Right.
Speaker 1:we can say that but think about, you know, the last time that you too did something that was just truly enjoyable, that just brought out those smiles for both of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think to you it's really trying to take yourselves less seriously, and I think that's probably where I can do that most times and you it's a little harder to join me in that.
Speaker 1:That's probably true, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, and I can go to silly because silly is fun to me. And I have noticed that sometimes it's not just you, sometimes the kids are like it's not a moment for that, mom. So I have to also recognize that in myself and understand that. You know, lightheartedness it isn't for every moment and obviously I'm not doing it in appropriate times, but there may be times that I'm bringing in a little like silliness and other people are not in that space, and so it is a journey of understanding and a journey of joining people where they're at, but also trying to bring yourself up into that space of okay, what would help me feel a little bit more joy right now?
Speaker 1:Right. So yeah, we need to start and actually do some practical here of how do you find that intimacy of joy again, cause you know, I think a lot of couples are seeking it and they realize it's missing.
Speaker 2:I wonder if they actually realized. That is what is missing, though Good point I think they know something's missing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think you're spot on.
Speaker 1:I think it's hard to pinpoint. I think there's places where they recognize they're not having any fun anymore, they're not enjoying life anymore. And I think they're not sure why that happened. And then in the world's eyes. The next step is to go find your own joy and to kind of go like, okay, what's going to make me happy?
Speaker 2:Well, happiness and joy are different, and that's probably something we should address because that is something we have.
Speaker 2:We have really talked with our kids about Like happiness is fun and it's in the moment, but if we're constantly chasing that moment that is happy, we are bound to be let down. Joy to me, is something that lives within us, that comes from a relationship with Jesus, that we can access really at any time, like even I think about when my grandparents passed away. You and I were first married. I lost all of my grandparents that had been in my life in a short nine-month period about, but maybe it was longer than that.
Speaker 2:No, that was longer than that, because one of my grandparents was alive while we had one of our kiddos, but I lost my first two really close together, and I remember my sister and brother and I in the receiving line meeting lots of people we didn't know and it was quite humorous. We were finding joy in that moment of talking about my grandmother and my grandfather and some of the stories that touched our hearts, some of the stories that made us laugh. Right, it's like something that's within you that can be accessed anytime, that's not to say if you don't feel like being joyful at a funeral that's okay.
Speaker 2:We were sitting there and it was healing to me in that process to just be enjoying those memories and chuckling a little bit. So it's something within us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree. I think to me, joy is an inner feeling that we can tap into many times where happiness is kind of an outward expression of something that's going on or that inner feeling.
Speaker 2:Sure, oh yeah, happiness and laughter is definitely going to come with joy, but I think happiness can be present with the absence of joy. No, I, yeah, I agree I agree very much, and many people chase happiness because they don't know any other way. I'm not saying that in a judgmental way, and I'm sure I did it many times in my life, my teenage years and whatnot Like this next thing will make me happy.
Speaker 1:Right, this next purchase, this next event, this next experience, right.
Speaker 2:This next person in my life, all of these things, and yet they bring you happiness for a short period of time, but when that fizzles out that there is no joy underneath of it right, Like that thing you purchased. It's fun, but it doesn't bring you joy.
Speaker 1:Right. So how do we? So we I think we've talked about and couples will probably recognize something in this is missing that they've lost that spark in their relationship a little bit right and that they're looking for the intimacy of joy again. How do people go about rekindling that?
Speaker 2:Hmm, well, my thoughts would be in just doing things that are lighthearted and fun, things that aren't heavy, which is why you and I, usually on date nights, at some point say okay, we're not talking about the kids anymore, we're not talking about the hot water heater or whatever else is going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anything right.
Speaker 2:So and we try to refocus. That doesn't always mean we sit there and we laugh, but we're trying to refocus on something that is less heavy, less burdensome. I do think laughter is a huge part of it.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, from a psychological part, how laughter changes our brain. It changes, yes, how we feel.
Speaker 1:Even forced laughter, even making yourself laugh.
Speaker 2:Oh dear.
Speaker 1:Has been. No, it's true. There have been research on. You know, somebody will say, go ahead and laugh like there's nothing happening.
Speaker 2:Can we do this? Can we do this? No, I was gonna say I want to see you try it.
Speaker 1:No, and it does just. Even that has psychological benefit, and certainly having authentic laughter is even more, so Better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just trying to imagine you forcing laughter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you'll see that, like there are some eastern practices and yoga and that kind of stuff that sometimes push that in and research has shown that it is effective.
Speaker 2:Right, I get that. So, I'm just yeah, okay, no, I'm not suggesting that.
Speaker 1:I'm really not, but I think there is a place where we need to seek it right. We need to go looking for it Exactly. And that may be, you know, going and finding something that you find is funny, a comedian a funny movie. You know jokes like. I love sharing dad jokes with my family and kids.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I get laughter out of them.
Speaker 2:Those don't always bring laughter on the other side, no but they make me laugh, so that's enough. And their responses make you laugh, because they're always like oh, my word, dad.
Speaker 1:So you know, just sometimes those kind of fun things that you get to do, that there is just a reality of looking at where you had fun when you were dating it's one of the questions I love asking.
Speaker 1:Couples is like I want you to think back to that time when you were dating I don't care if it was two years ago or 45 years ago Like, what did you do? That was fun that you found yourself falling in love over, and it could have been going on walks, it could have been going to the park, it could have been going to the fair, like there's a lot of things that we do to create the intimacy of joy when we're dating.
Speaker 1:But, once we have each other, we often stop a lot of those things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I do think that that can be give you some clues and some keys for sure. We were in high school, so I'm not sure that we yeah, but we still.
Speaker 1:I mean one that I always point to is we talked a lot about not just about what was going on in the day, of course, we talked about those things, but we also talked about our dreams, our futures, our hopes. Yeah, that kind of stuff brings some joy.
Speaker 2:We also hung out on our parents house a lot, do you?
Speaker 1:want to like, we do that. No, I don't suggest that, but we watched some movies that right like if we went back and watched some of those movies again.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's some joy in the remembering.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that could be. Yeah, we watched a lot of movies. We didn't have a lot. We lived in middle of nowhere to go.
Speaker 1:But like I can think, you know of just some of those things that we did that were, you know, a start of creating joy between the two of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that we have tried to create that for us. But I do think, keep in mind start with the dating as a catalyst but you and I we've been married now almost 25 years and together, well, 30 years next week, and we have changed. So, like I know, for you and I, and some of this takes investment financially, so I think there's a space for both things that take investment financially and things that don't. So we're not suggesting that everyone should spend tons of money, but I know for us, like in the last year, as life has been really difficult for our family, we have tried to find things that will bring us joy and time together within our home. Yeah, so things like that have been like in our outdoor area. Outside we both have like places we can sit and read and be together, but also and sometimes we just sit there and hang out together but places we can find rest. We also like got an inflatable hot tub, which you were super skeptical about.
Speaker 1:Super skeptical.
Speaker 2:Brad's like this is going to be like a kiddie pool. He was like we're going to spend money and it's going to be like the kids when they were little, but anyways, it's been a huge blessing and our kids use it sometimes too. But we can go out there after we're done working in an evening and spend a half an hour together or 45 minutes. Those things were investments for us, but they don't always have to look like that. We also sometimes sit and watch a movie together or whatever, and, as I said, we can bring joy into any of those situations.
Speaker 1:I totally agree and I think those kind of activities that we can just step back and relax and enjoy each other right. It is a really important part of this.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I do think there is also a space here in how do you encourage each other in the things that you are finding individually. Create some joy.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:Because I may have a hobby that you don't enjoy. But May. That you don't enjoy, you do have a few. But I think there are places where we have learned how do we come alongside?
Speaker 2:each other and enjoy them enough.
Speaker 1:It's not that I totally get into the same thing you do, but I know it enough to encourage you in it to be able to reflect on it. So Kate is a fabulous photographer and she has at times done that as a business portrait photography. But she also enjoys just for fun doing some landscapes and some unusual art kind of pieces and I know just enough to be able to go, wow, that's a really cool picture and recognize a little bit that's going into it and so I can kind of come alongside her and find the joy in that and help in that kind of way.
Speaker 1:So I think those are some places where coming alongside and even learning a little bit about their hobby or thing, absolutely, that you can connect to enough.
Speaker 2:I feel like that should actually be what you do. Even if different things are, you have different levels of interaction with those things.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:And I know we've talked about your plant love. We'll call it a love today, and it is not something that I enjoy at all. I don't know if that will change. I've been really honest and with I think, with you guys is. For me, I even was able to express to Brad it feels like more things to keep alive, and currently we're trying to keep teenagers alive, which to me feels like the higher priority than the plants. But and I've been able to recognize in myself that brings up a feeling I don't know and I'm right Continuing to explore it but I'm happy for him to have his plants in his office where we are right now, and there's lots of them, and I've sometimes bought him plants and when I'm like recently I was at a Trader Joe's and you know Brad follows all these things and, like you, can find really rare plants there sometimes. So I'm sending him pictures and you know.
Speaker 2:So I'm joining him where I can. There are other things that you like. He loves fountain pens. That's a little bit more fun to me. Definitely don't have to keep them alive, like they pretty much survive all sorts of situations. So I'm able to join him a little bit more in that one and have fun learning some of the things that he tells me, and so it doesn't always have to mean that it then becomes something you two both really love, but it's just enough of a connection that you can talk about it and enjoy it and be able to like express it together, kind of like that would be part of that.
Speaker 2:Well, and to just like be your spouse's champion and fan. If it's something they enjoy, get to know a little bit about it. You don't have to know everything.
Speaker 1:Yep, I totally agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so just being able to figure out what brings them joy, because I think also there will be things that aren't purchases or whatever. But you know that I like to be warm. That's one of my biggest places. That brings me joy and I would encourage all of you to think more along the lines. Like you can think about the big things, but one of the things that's usually sort of eye opening for all the women I work with is the little things. When I share that. One of my biggest ones is being warm, so I like being in blankets, comfy clothes, going and standing in the sun.
Speaker 1:All of those things Sitting next to our fireplace.
Speaker 2:Yes, which we should crank that up.
Speaker 1:It's October, it's not time yet we have started in October many times. But, anyways.
Speaker 2:Okay, we'll be right along, so you know. So, understanding that about yourself and then being able to encourage that in your spouse is a really beautiful thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree, and I can encourage you that we'll be starting it soon, probably as soon as we get back from our cruise.
Speaker 2:That's a great idea, right after the cruise or before, because we'll be all warm on the cruise and then we'll come back and go.
Speaker 1:Oh man, pennsylvania's cold time to get the fire going.
Speaker 2:Pennsylvania's already cold, not to mention our heater is currently not working.
Speaker 1:So that's going to be fixed later so but yeah.
Speaker 1:I think one of the things that we need to talk about here, as we're talking about developing and finding your joy in your marriage again, is starting to look at some of the things that may be robbing you of joy and what are the things we need to eliminate that. One of them is bitterness, that there are some times, because of lots of situations that we have been had, some negative thoughts hop into our brain when we're around our spouse and so we see them come home and we go, uh Right, or like we see them pick up the phone and talk to a friend and our thought automatically is negative. And I would really encourage you, if you're looking to develop joy in your relationship, look at the places where your thoughts about your spouse have flipped to bitterness and negativity.
Speaker 1:Hmm, it's a really good thought contemplating that, as you said it, and I think it's an important thing to root out some of those and start going okay, why am I feeling that? What's there? Is there some places where you need to work on forgiveness, where you're holding something against them that you need to talk about? Like I'm not just saying we throw it all away, but if we don't address the bitterness that robs us of joy, Well, interestingly, you say that and I was thinking it's not always bitterness, but where something sort of catches you wrong.
Speaker 2:Right, it is, as we've said, understanding and storywork and understanding what's going on for you. And I know we chuckle at this, but it took me a little while to figure out why the plants was such a thing for me and you were like worried because you were like why is my bringing plants into the house such a hard thing for you? And I honestly had no idea in the beginning but it actually made me physically feel anxious. And you're sitting over here saying they make me feel calm and I'm like, well, they make me feel anxious and I just had to like spend some time realizing and trying to not just stay in that place of, well, do we have to have plants? Because it's making me anxious, which sounds crazy, I do realize anxious plant lady, but for me it really was.
Speaker 2:The past year we have literally been in the trenches and we have not in the past had great success with plants in our home.
Speaker 1:They always go to heaven quickly because we've never had good light and we finally do.
Speaker 2:Well, that might be the case, but we also didn't know enough to know that, and that's it.
Speaker 1:But you were finally able to say it's causing you anxiety because it feels like something else you have to keep alive. And I was able to look at you and go. I don't care if they die right Like it's okay. I really don't need you to keep them alive at all.
Speaker 2:And you also said that live or die it's on me. You don't have to do anything with them. You don't have to. You know there's no responsibility on you. This is my hobby, so that's been super helpful, so I can come in here and, whatever state they're in, they're in, they're in.
Speaker 1:No, and I'm seriously looking at you and a plant behind you died. That I've had for like a couple of years and it just died the other day. I'm like, oh well, whatever. I really don't care and it just like it's just one of those things. I enjoy them when they're there and there are a few I really like and I would try really hard to survive. But like there's some, it's like whatever.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I'll just get another plant. It's just not to me. They're just. I enjoy having them, I enjoy seeing them, I do enjoy kind of taking care of them. I think that's kind of a meditative thing for me, but, like to me, it's not stressful, it's the opposite and I think, yeah, you're exactly right, getting to the root of well, wait a minute, what?
Speaker 2:is that bothering me? Why does it? And it sounds like something silly again, but the reality is we do have those things and we're uncertain why something rubs us the wrong way. But if we can sit in it a little bit and try to uncover why it does, there can be a place for joy with that, sure.
Speaker 1:And I would really challenge you, like, if you can recognize that you're having some negative thoughts just about your spouse or about something that they're doing that they find joy in, I would really encourage you to spend a little time there and go. Why, like? Why is this so? My spouse loves their boat and I hate it and I can't stand every time they're with the bone Right. Why? Because they're there. And what's keeping you from finding the joy with them?
Speaker 1:in that thing Right and maybe it's about time. Maybe it's. There's could be things that you need to talk about, but I think there also could be some parts that you need to work on, so that that would be that that side of you.
Speaker 2:And understanding really often is enough.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's not sometimes.
Speaker 2:Sometimes further conversations need to happen after understanding. Understanding can oftentimes just help us to know what's happening.
Speaker 1:And if understanding is not enough, then I think that's the place. Where, then, you force yourself to find the positives, and this could be a specific. Like my husband always loves his boat and I can't stand it like, help me to find some positives, right, that you force yourself to do that. But it could also be in general, like if every time you see your wife, you kind of have those kind of feelings right now, because you're in that place of bitterness.
Speaker 1:You need to go seek out those positive things that you fell in love with again. Go find them. What are the positives that you see in your spouse? What are the things that you love about them. What are their qualities that you really enjoy?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know, pushing yourself to find those positives helps to root out this bitterness, which at least gives space for joy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Right and honestly, I would really encourage you guys to go find a place to laugh, go find a place to have fun, go think about things that you can do. That is just carefree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that that's a really good thing for couples to focus on. I think it's really hard and we want to honor that with you. But when you do make this a priority, I feel like you start to get one of those check engine lights that's on in our car.
Speaker 2:When you realize it's lacking right and you realize there's a need to refocus on joy, to bring joy back in, because life has been hard, because things are not easy, or you guys are just busy. Maybe life isn't hard and busyness has kept you distant, or who knows what is pulling at you. It's not only hard stuff, but where you just realize, okay, it's time to refocus on joy.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love that. So we're going to put a question up on our social media, on Instagram and Facebook, of where you are finding joy in your marriage these days. We would love to hear from you and get some ideas right. Maybe there's a movie that brings you joy, Maybe there's an event that you like doing.
Speaker 1:We would love to share ideas right and think through some of that. So if you have any fabulous ways that you have discovered joy in your marriage, we'd love to hear it. Yeah, and we'll put some ideas up there too, maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of the ones that we love is Ted Cunningham, who is an incredible author, pastor, speaker, comedian. And comedian All things, and we've gotten to know him a little bit and appreciate him so much. He has written a book that calls Love that Laughs, and it really is focused on finding joy in your marriage that that is going to bring great things to your marriage, so that's something to check out for sure. It's a fabulous resource that's focused pretty much on what we're talking about today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know what? There are some amazing Christian comedians out there.
Speaker 2:There are.
Speaker 1:Facebook and Instagram and those kind of things that Kate and I enjoy listening to every once in a while and just chuckling at. You know, Michael J, or?
Speaker 2:Tim Hawkins. Tim Hawkins.
Speaker 1:John Chris. Yeah, there's several, right, they're just really funny and sometimes just finding those five minutes to laugh and it's so good. So we made to tag a few of those in our posts on social media too, so you can find them along the way. So we hope that this helps you to find, or rediscover, intimacy of joy in your relationship. Yeah, and until next time. I'm Brad Aldrich.
Speaker 2:I'm Kate Aldrich. Kind and take care of each other.
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