{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":4.16,"body":"humanistic on the world episode 23. He gets us. What the hell?"},{"startTime":9.28,"endTime":14.64,"body":"Welcome to the episode of humanistic on the world. I'm Dustin and joining me is Lauren."},{"startTime":16.24,"endTime":25.2,"body":"Oh right, so yeah, sorry about it taking a while to get to this. There's some of the family health"},{"startTime":25.2,"endTime":32.32,"body":"stuff has definitely been making a little harder to do the show. Well, yeah, I'm tired all the time."},{"startTime":33.92,"endTime":41.92,"body":"Yeah, and so yeah, so okay, we're here now. Yep, we are. And yeah, hopefully, you know,"},{"startTime":41.92,"endTime":51.6,"body":"roughly once a month or twice a month is good for everybody promises. But one problem with"},{"startTime":51.6,"endTime":58.96,"body":"going, you know, taking so long is it's a little less relevant right now. But I really want to"},{"startTime":58.96,"endTime":65.52,"body":"talk about all this stuff from the he gets us campaign. Yeah, anybody who any of the US who"},{"startTime":65.52,"endTime":70.96,"body":"was watching the Super Bowl and was actually paying attention. Oh yeah. It wasn't. But apparently"},{"startTime":70.96,"endTime":78.88,"body":"everybody else knows these the Jesus commercials. There was what? Five or six of them. Yeah,"},{"startTime":78.88,"endTime":85.44,"body":"plus they've been all over YouTube and Reddit, Reddit. And some of these actually started early"},{"startTime":85.44,"endTime":93.76,"body":"last year in case you missed them. The basic idea is, you know, showing people in very modern"},{"startTime":93.76,"endTime":102.8,"body":"situations, refugees, political, political protests, political protests, and divisiveness,"},{"startTime":102.8,"endTime":110.4,"body":"and the rebel and like a bunch of other bullshit stuff and saying, oh, the sad state of affairs"},{"startTime":110.4,"endTime":116.8,"body":"that we are in now. But then saying that, you know, he gets us trying to talk about Jesus,"},{"startTime":116.8,"endTime":121.28,"body":"make all that stuff about Jesus. Let's try to make it relevant, right? Jesus would totally be"},{"startTime":121.28,"endTime":128.08,"body":"relevant in the modern day at age when not true. But okay, sure, I can see what they're trying to do"},{"startTime":128.08,"endTime":137.36,"body":"here. When, okay, if you you actually look at the stuff, so okay, the refugee one, if you believe"},{"startTime":138.16,"endTime":146.64,"body":"the Matthew version of Jesus's birth story, not the Luke version, right? Because there's"},{"startTime":146.64,"endTime":153.52,"body":"multiples, there's multiple ones. So yeah, so the Matthew version, they fled Jerusalem and"},{"startTime":153.52,"endTime":161.76,"body":"went to Egypt for two years, which would make him a refugee, except that was all before he was"},{"startTime":161.76,"endTime":170.4,"body":"five. And then he just went back home to the town where he lived. So yeah, no, he doesn't have"},{"startTime":170.4,"endTime":176.16,"body":"experience with that. I mean, not really. I mean, yeah, I mean, a two year old refugee is still a"},{"startTime":176.16,"endTime":182.88,"body":"refugee, though. Yes. But as far as understanding what it's like, when you're that young, you don't"},{"startTime":182.88,"endTime":193.36,"body":"really understand anything shoes. The political stuff, the protests, you know, okay, if you look"},{"startTime":193.36,"endTime":200.56,"body":"at the Jesus story, heck, even flip the tables at the temple. We definitely need to bring back"},{"startTime":200.56,"endTime":209.04,"body":"table flipping, by the way. Yeah, flipping the tables of the money grabbing greedy assholes."},{"startTime":209.04,"endTime":216.4,"body":"Yeah, but it's the whole thing with it is just weird. Well, I mean, the whole concept is very"},{"startTime":216.4,"endTime":225.12,"body":"forced. Trying to make Jesus relevant to the for the modern age, it's why you can't do it,"},{"startTime":225.12,"endTime":232.88,"body":"because it's just doesn't, it just doesn't work. There is, but the reason why is pretty obvious."},{"startTime":232.88,"endTime":239.2,"body":"Millennials and Gen Z. They're not going to church. Don't go to church in any meaningful"},{"startTime":239.2,"endTime":245.04,"body":"rates. And attendance has really, really, really, really dropped since the start of the pandemic,"},{"startTime":245.04,"endTime":250.96,"body":"especially considering how many churches went full on QAnon. Yeah, but this is the same old"},{"startTime":250.96,"endTime":255.04,"body":"same old. This is churches have been doing this for hundreds of years, trying to stay relevant"},{"startTime":255.04,"endTime":260.72,"body":"to the population so that people will go to church to make them care. It is a enough to go. And it's"},{"startTime":260.72,"endTime":265.84,"body":"just it's been landing flat for hundreds and hundreds of years, actually trying to make the"},{"startTime":265.84,"endTime":271.44,"body":"church relevant. That's a pretty relatively new concept from the second grade awakening. So,"},{"startTime":272.0,"endTime":278.64,"body":"okay, not hundreds and hundred years before that, if you were not going to church, you might get"},{"startTime":278.64,"endTime":284.4,"body":"burned at the stake or thrown into jail. Like, that's how they handled it back in the old days,"},{"startTime":285.2,"endTime":289.28,"body":"if anybody even cared, which for the most part, they didn't, except for the Spanish"},{"startTime":289.28,"endTime":293.52,"body":"Inquisition. Because nobody expects to. Yeah, yeah, we got that. Because in that case,"},{"startTime":293.52,"endTime":300.72,"body":"they were trying to take care of having a country full of Muslims and Jews and make them all Christian."},{"startTime":301.52,"endTime":308.96,"body":"Right. So that's a whole other issue. Yes. So he gets us. Oh, it was actually only two ads during"},{"startTime":308.96,"endTime":315.68,"body":"the Super Bowl. Oh, okay. And how I missed it, because I was not paying attention."},{"startTime":315.68,"endTime":325.52,"body":"But is he eating? That was all a part of a one hundred million dollar media spend."},{"startTime":325.52,"endTime":330.64,"body":"I love it. I love it when church is spend that much money on pointless junk. It's like, all right,"},{"startTime":330.64,"endTime":336.8,"body":"you just keep flesh in your money away. I don't care. One of the biggest backers,"},{"startTime":336.8,"endTime":348.4,"body":"the only one who has is not secret is David Green from Hobby Lobby. Hobby Lobby known for"},{"startTime":349.04,"endTime":358.64,"body":"putting Bible quotes on their stuff and. Anti birth control and. Anti birth control. Oh,"},{"startTime":358.64,"endTime":367.44,"body":"and what was it? Oh, what was that law that they put tons of money into passing the Utah anti"},{"startTime":367.44,"endTime":375.2,"body":"homosexuality? What was that? No, or was it California? Propate. Propate. Yeah. Yeah, they're just"},{"startTime":375.2,"endTime":380.16,"body":"Oh, in the museum, the Bible Museum with all the artifacts that they've been illegally smuggling."},{"startTime":381.04,"endTime":384.32,"body":"God, a bunch of counterfeits and the rest are basically illegal."},{"startTime":384.32,"endTime":392.0,"body":"Yeah. So he is the only backer who has actually been public about that brave enough or dumb enough"},{"startTime":392.0,"endTime":399.92,"body":"to admit to being a part of it. It was on Glenn Beck show in November 2022. Yeah, okay."},{"startTime":400.96,"endTime":411.36,"body":"So dumb enough. If you're trying to make this seem like it's relevant to young Americans,"},{"startTime":411.36,"endTime":418.72,"body":"don't talk about it with Glenn Beck, right? The average age of listener for Glenn Beck is"},{"startTime":418.72,"endTime":426.4,"body":"probably what? 75? Yeah. Yeah, not exactly hit the youth there. That's not the point, you know,"},{"startTime":426.4,"endTime":433.04,"body":"that's not really what it's all about. The funding for this and actually the entire"},{"startTime":433.04,"endTime":444.64,"body":"he gets us campaign was a project of either the servant foundation, if you want to go with the name"},{"startTime":444.64,"endTime":453.52,"body":"that their spokespeople have been using in the media, or the signatory, if you want the actual"},{"startTime":453.52,"endTime":459.92,"body":"organization. Oh, why would they use different names like a shell company shell organization?"},{"startTime":459.92,"endTime":467.2,"body":"It's worse than that, which the signatory. Oh, and part of how I found this was the news article"},{"startTime":467.2,"endTime":474.32,"body":"on CNN talked about the servant fund or servant foundation. And then I did a"},{"startTime":475.92,"endTime":483.6,"body":"search for the servant foundation and found the website of the servant foundation, which had a note"},{"startTime":483.6,"endTime":492.96,"body":"on its website saying, we are not behind the he gets us campaign. That is the signatory"},{"startTime":494.0,"endTime":499.84,"body":"completely unrelated. So people went on and mentioned the one name because they were actually"},{"startTime":499.84,"endTime":506.88,"body":"misquoting. No, wrong information. No, this was an intentionally trying to make it less obvious"},{"startTime":506.88,"endTime":518.24,"body":"who it was. So they're lying. They're using a DBA name in some state without even bothering to get"},{"startTime":518.24,"endTime":526.32,"body":"the web presence to cover it to make it a little bit less obvious that it's the signatory that's"},{"startTime":526.32,"endTime":531.68,"body":"behind it. So, okay, is the signal. So, okay, so why though? Because they're best known for"},{"startTime":531.68,"endTime":537.44,"body":"a donor campaigns, they do to raise money for the Alliance Defending Freedom,"},{"startTime":538.16,"endTime":545.6,"body":"which the Alliance Defending Freedom is the one who will file lawsuits for anybody who wants to"},{"startTime":545.6,"endTime":554.0,"body":"do prayers at schools. Okay. Like the old Bremerton coach. Okay. They're the ones who back a lot of"},{"startTime":554.0,"endTime":565.2,"body":"really bad laws. Okay. So that's the signature. The signatory. The signatory. So they put a"},{"startTime":565.2,"endTime":572.08,"body":"bunch of money into this camp. This he gets this Jesus campaign puts up a website says, Oh, it was"},{"startTime":572.08,"endTime":580.16,"body":"not us. No, doing it under a different name. No, the the servant foundation foundation. There is"},{"startTime":580.16,"endTime":587.04,"body":"another servant foundation. Okay, that's that actually has the website. And they kept on getting"},{"startTime":587.04,"endTime":593.52,"body":"contacted about this campaign they're running, which they aren't. That wasn't us. That was this"},{"startTime":593.52,"endTime":601.76,"body":"group, this fake, this different servant foundation that's run by this other foundation. Got it caught"},{"startTime":601.76,"endTime":609.2,"body":"up. It's a shell game. I would be mad. Wow. You know, you have someplace, something called the"},{"startTime":609.2,"endTime":613.6,"body":"servant foundation. You make a website, you have this whole thing going and then somebody coops"},{"startTime":613.6,"endTime":621.76,"body":"that your name and does this. I would I would be suing or something. I bet they are probably trying."},{"startTime":621.76,"endTime":627.76,"body":"One Christian foundation suing another Christian foundation is not a thing that happens that often."},{"startTime":628.88,"endTime":634.08,"body":"Yeah, until you get media banging down your door, trying to get ahold of you."},{"startTime":634.08,"endTime":640.16,"body":"Now, I wouldn't be surprised if the servant foundation has the actual servant foundation has"},{"startTime":640.16,"endTime":647.6,"body":"asked the signatory for some money to help cover their web hosting. There you go. Boosted traffic,"},{"startTime":647.6,"endTime":656.24,"body":"that's for sure. Now, the signatory itself is very confusing to figure out what it really is"},{"startTime":656.24,"endTime":667.36,"body":"because it's a donor advised fund sponsor. I don't even know. Those are English words,"},{"startTime":667.36,"endTime":672.24,"body":"but when you put them together in that order, I don't know what that means. They make it very,"},{"startTime":673.6,"endTime":682.88,"body":"also make it very clear that they do not meddle in the activities of the organizations that they"},{"startTime":682.88,"endTime":691.12,"body":"sponsor. They're very proud of the fact that they don't meddle in the internal workings of any"},{"startTime":691.12,"endTime":698.72,"body":"of the ministries that they sponsor. In the 22 years that the signatory has existed,"},{"startTime":699.68,"endTime":708.8,"body":"they've given out over $4 billion in grants. That's impressive. They have a 68% lifetime grant"},{"startTime":708.8,"endTime":717.36,"body":"flow-through rate, which would mean a 32% overhead cost. Somewhere in the ballpark of $6"},{"startTime":717.36,"endTime":726.08,"body":"billion in gross revenue over 22 years, it's a lot of money supporting evangelical causes."},{"startTime":726.08,"endTime":737.44,"body":"The donor advised fund sponsor part is a little confusing. I think it's intentionally confusing."},{"startTime":739.44,"endTime":747.6,"body":"The ministries can set up a fund. Donors get to pick what they support."},{"startTime":747.6,"endTime":762.48,"body":"The way it's all worded on their site, it really sounds to me like the donors are not going to be"},{"startTime":762.48,"endTime":767.52,"body":"meddling in what they're supporting. It's literally just distributing funds."},{"startTime":769.44,"endTime":776.08,"body":"They're the financial pass-through, the financial middleman, largely for rich Christians who want"},{"startTime":776.08,"endTime":780.56,"body":"a little bitch. They want to be able to say where they want their money to go without it being"},{"startTime":780.56,"endTime":786.48,"body":"traceable on papers to where their money's going. Yeah, well, there we go. No shock there."},{"startTime":786.48,"endTime":790.8,"body":"A bunch of Christians who want to support the Alliance Defending Freedom, who do not want to be"},{"startTime":791.36,"endTime":797.52,"body":"actually directly linkable to the Alliance Defending Freedom, can do that through them."},{"startTime":798.32,"endTime":803.12,"body":"That's a big part of what this exists for. He gets us- politicians love it."},{"startTime":803.12,"endTime":814.32,"body":"Oh, yeah. He appears to be something different where the signatory created the hit he gets us"},{"startTime":814.32,"endTime":820.56,"body":"campaign and is fully funding it through donors like David Green."},{"startTime":822.08,"endTime":830.16,"body":"They claim that they have no involvement in the working of the campaign."},{"startTime":830.16,"endTime":833.52,"body":"Okay, so they're bankrolling it, but have nothing to do with it."},{"startTime":834.16,"endTime":841.12,"body":"They set it up and supposedly they set it up. There was a team of creative people who wanted"},{"startTime":841.12,"endTime":847.44,"body":"to make some videos. So they wrote a blank check and they wrote a check for a hundred billion"},{"startTime":847.44,"endTime":856.4,"body":"dollars. That's so much money. Wait, 100 billion? That does not sound right. 100 million is what"},{"startTime":856.4,"endTime":864.0,"body":"you said before. 100 million dollars. You need to hold your pinky up to your mouth. You want"},{"startTime":864.0,"endTime":873.36,"body":"a million dollars? However, I have also seen the number of two billion that this will be getting"},{"startTime":873.36,"endTime":882.08,"body":"for the entire campaign. The he gets us website makes it very clear that they are completely"},{"startTime":882.08,"endTime":890.96,"body":"independent, that they are not left or right. They're not part of a political organization,"},{"startTime":890.96,"endTime":897.12,"body":"or they are not a political organization, and they're not affiliated with any church or denomination."},{"startTime":897.12,"endTime":903.52,"body":"Good old-fashioned evangelicalism that just is. They just are. Okay, they just are."},{"startTime":903.52,"endTime":910.4,"body":"They just exist to spread the news about Jesus to people who know enough already."},{"startTime":910.4,"endTime":921.2,"body":"Right. Okay. It's not like Americans don't know about Jesus. Realistically, this is the perfect"},{"startTime":922.24,"endTime":931.44,"body":"the perfect campaign. You create a thing that will get rich church members to give you money,"},{"startTime":931.44,"endTime":937.12,"body":"because you're going to reach all of these unchurched people. Now, unchurched"},{"startTime":937.12,"endTime":943.36,"body":"is often a word used for stuff like that, which literally just means anybody who isn't going to"},{"startTime":943.36,"endTime":952.48,"body":"church. Yeah. You can craft the message to the donors that you're going to be reaching people"},{"startTime":953.52,"endTime":959.92,"body":"who have never heard about Jesus before, where you're going to get all the unbelievers when all"},{"startTime":959.92,"endTime":968.72,"body":"you're really promising is to net a particular amount of unchurched people, which this year is a"},{"startTime":968.72,"endTime":976.72,"body":"very easy thing to do, and generally is pretty easy to do when you find people who get tired"},{"startTime":977.28,"endTime":983.84,"body":"of the pastor at their evangelical church, and they stop going to church, and then something like"},{"startTime":983.84,"endTime":991.6,"body":"this comes up, and it prompts them to try a different church. But will it probably the idea?"},{"startTime":992.16,"endTime":996.4,"body":"It will probably get some backslidden evangelicals to go back to church."},{"startTime":999.04,"endTime":1005.92,"body":"You know, the particular population I'm thinking about now is in their 50s and 60s."},{"startTime":1005.92,"endTime":1013.84,"body":"Okay. Fair enough. 50s, 60s, and 70s. But that was standard through the 80s and 90s."},{"startTime":1013.84,"endTime":1025.12,"body":"It was every evangelistic series was supposedly to get the convert non-Christians. In practicality,"},{"startTime":1025.76,"endTime":1030.96,"body":"it was getting people who stopped going to church. Then I'm back and start paying their"},{"startTime":1030.96,"endTime":1036.56,"body":"tithing again. And in particular, it was getting people who had stopped going to church in the last"},{"startTime":1037.68,"endTime":1044.32,"body":"six months to three years. These weren't people who were no longer Christian. They were just"},{"startTime":1044.32,"endTime":1049.44,"body":"Christians who stopped going to their particular church. Yeah, that sounds much more realistic."},{"startTime":1050.16,"endTime":1059.44,"body":"That's what anything like this has ever really worked been successful at. The number of genuinely"},{"startTime":1059.44,"endTime":1064.08,"body":"not Christian people that they can get has always been very, very small."},{"startTime":1064.88,"endTime":1071.36,"body":"Yeah. It is funny that they made a point of saying that they're apolitical, neither left nor right."},{"startTime":1072.72,"endTime":1079.92,"body":"So apparently, that's caused a bit of a problem in the past recent weeks,"},{"startTime":1080.72,"endTime":1088.0,"body":"is that the hardcore conservatives who saw these ads were like, well, that's not my Jesus."},{"startTime":1088.0,"endTime":1093.92,"body":"This is too woke. This is woke Jesus. Yep. So they've had to like backslide their campaign."},{"startTime":1094.88,"endTime":1097.36,"body":"The woke Jesus. Try to win those guys back over."},{"startTime":1098.4,"endTime":1104.72,"body":"The woke Jesus from David Green and the people who fund the Alliance Defending Jesus."},{"startTime":1105.76,"endTime":1116.24,"body":"Yeah. Politically, right leaning campaign designed to be to attempt. It is an attempt"},{"startTime":1116.24,"endTime":1123.44,"body":"to be appealing to liberals. Yeah. Liberals were like, no, thanks. And the right wingers were like,"},{"startTime":1123.44,"endTime":1129.28,"body":"Oh, whoa, wait a second. That's too, that's too liberal for us. And they're stuck with this"},{"startTime":1129.28,"endTime":1137.12,"body":"campaign that realistically just pissed off everyone and reached no one. Yeah. So good job,"},{"startTime":1137.12,"endTime":1142.8,"body":"guys. Way to flush that money down the toilet. Now, if you've read a news article about it,"},{"startTime":1142.8,"endTime":1150.16,"body":"you will, because if you go to their website, you're not going to find it, their main website,"},{"startTime":1151.04,"endTime":1159.84,"body":"you will find reference to the Lucean covenant. Right. Now, I, Lauren saw that and wanted me to"},{"startTime":1159.84,"endTime":1164.24,"body":"look into it. And I tried looking into it and that got into this huge rabbit trail."},{"startTime":1165.04,"endTime":1170.0,"body":"The links are in the show notes. I think it was New York Times."},{"startTime":1170.0,"endTime":1175.28,"body":"CNN also referenced it. No, maybe it was CNN. It was CNN made somebody, somebody made a"},{"startTime":1175.28,"endTime":1179.44,"body":"reference to it. They didn't mention Hobby Lobby, but they did mention this other group saying,"},{"startTime":1179.44,"endTime":1183.2,"body":"they're not associated with any church, but they do follow these covenants. And I'm like,"},{"startTime":1183.2,"endTime":1186.8,"body":"interesting, I've never heard of these covenants. So I looked at the Wikipedia page and I'm like,"},{"startTime":1187.52,"endTime":1192.48,"body":"this is, this is literally a nothing. There's like no information there. Yeah. So I'm like,"},{"startTime":1192.48,"endTime":1195.84,"body":"Dustin, what is this? He's like, I've never heard of it. So he looked into it."},{"startTime":1195.84,"endTime":1204.48,"body":"So if you go to the he gets us.com website, you will find no mention of it. It is,"},{"startTime":1205.52,"endTime":1212.08,"body":"it is a website that is basically denying any association with anybody other than Jesus."},{"startTime":1213.36,"endTime":1220.24,"body":"Which I mean, that's not sketchy at all. Jesus. If you go to he gets us partners.com,"},{"startTime":1220.24,"endTime":1227.68,"body":"that's where you get how churches can join and get members out of this."},{"startTime":1228.56,"endTime":1235.04,"body":"Ah, there we go. Okay. And they have their whole story and you know, they're not trying to rebrand"},{"startTime":1235.04,"endTime":1243.6,"body":"Jesus. Even though they are, but they're just, they're just focused on sharing Jesus's openness"},{"startTime":1243.6,"endTime":1250.08,"body":"to people that others might have excluded. Yeah. I mean, that's actually a good call out to"},{"startTime":1250.08,"endTime":1256.88,"body":"most modern day Christians, right? You guys have excluded a lot of people that would probably"},{"startTime":1256.88,"endTime":1260.56,"body":"be going to your churches if you weren't being such dicks about it."},{"startTime":1263.52,"endTime":1267.92,"body":"Then you get to the very bottom of their about page, our beliefs."},{"startTime":1269.2,"endTime":1273.92,"body":"And I'm going to cover the last paragraph of the two paragraphs first."},{"startTime":1273.92,"endTime":1281.36,"body":"First, he gets us as an initiative of servant foundation, a designated 501c3 organization"},{"startTime":1281.36,"endTime":1287.6,"body":"with a 100 out of 100 charity navigator rating, which again, but not the one that you were going"},{"startTime":1287.6,"endTime":1295.92,"body":"to Google. If you Google servant foundation, and you look for the servant foundation's website,"},{"startTime":1295.92,"endTime":1303.84,"body":"you will find not affiliated with he gets us misdirected, which means, yeah, there is"},{"startTime":1303.84,"endTime":1314.32,"body":"a 501c3 organization created specifically to be a shell company to distance themselves from"},{"startTime":1314.88,"endTime":1319.68,"body":"the alliance defending freedom and other lobbying groups."},{"startTime":1320.32,"endTime":1324.24,"body":"Yeah, Christian right, right wing Christian nationalist lobbying groups."},{"startTime":1325.36,"endTime":1330.56,"body":"But so our beliefs, he gets us as chosen not to have our own separate statement of beliefs,"},{"startTime":1330.56,"endTime":1334.8,"body":"each participating church slash ministry will typically have its own language,"},{"startTime":1336.08,"endTime":1339.28,"body":"which is a good way to not exclude anybody on accident."},{"startTime":1340.24,"endTime":1346.88,"body":"Meanwhile, we generally recognize the loose and covenant as reflected as reflective of the"},{"startTime":1346.88,"endTime":1355.04,"body":"spirit and intent of this movement and churches that partner with explorers from he gets us a firm,"},{"startTime":1355.04,"endTime":1359.84,"body":"the loose and covenant. Very strangely worded."},{"startTime":1359.84,"endTime":1362.4,"body":"That was not grammatically correct."},{"startTime":1362.4,"endTime":1368.0,"body":"No, churches that partner with explorers from he gets us."},{"startTime":1368.0,"endTime":1369.12,"body":"What?"},{"startTime":1369.12,"endTime":1370.0,"body":"Explain."},{"startTime":1370.0,"endTime":1372.16,"body":"A firm the loose and covenant."},{"startTime":1373.04,"endTime":1373.28,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":1374.8,"endTime":1379.28,"body":"Okay, explorers from, oh, wow, it's just like, yeah, way to jumble up those words."},{"startTime":1379.28,"endTime":1380.24,"body":"Anyway, but the."},{"startTime":1380.24,"endTime":1387.52,"body":"To which to me sounds also like it is that was intentionally an intentional grammatical error"},{"startTime":1387.52,"endTime":1390.88,"body":"to be even more wishy washy."},{"startTime":1390.88,"endTime":1391.44,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1391.44,"endTime":1396.0,"body":"And for greater obfuscation, which the whole thing,"},{"startTime":1396.88,"endTime":1402.08,"body":"when you try to look into what's behind this, they've done everything they can to obscure"},{"startTime":1402.08,"endTime":1402.96,"body":"who's behind it."},{"startTime":1403.76,"endTime":1406.48,"body":"Because that's what you do when you don't have nothing to hide."},{"startTime":1407.04,"endTime":1409.76,"body":"So yeah, so the loose and covenant."},{"startTime":1409.76,"endTime":1416.88,"body":"It was a July, 1974 religious manifesto."},{"startTime":1418.16,"endTime":1422.16,"body":"By the way, if the word manifesto is in it, it doesn't end well for anybody."},{"startTime":1422.96,"endTime":1424.72,"body":"Except for the humanist manifesto."},{"startTime":1424.72,"endTime":1426.56,"body":"They should not have called it a manifesto."},{"startTime":1426.56,"endTime":1427.12,"body":"I'm sorry."},{"startTime":1427.84,"endTime":1433.28,"body":"All I imagine is feces or blood riding on the wall of some 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internet, it is available everywhere,"},{"startTime":2339.84,"endTime":2344.8,"body":"and you can be sued anywhere it's available in state court."},{"startTime":2345.44,"endTime":2348.48,"body":"So there is nothing to say."},{"startTime":2350.16,"endTime":2358.64,"body":"So any blogger, podcaster, social media account, social media account holder,"},{"startTime":2358.64,"endTime":2364.88,"body":"and definitely the actual journalistic organizations could be sued in Florida state court."},{"startTime":2364.88,"endTime":2366.64,"body":"Anywhere, no matter where they are."},{"startTime":2366.64,"endTime":2373.92,"body":"And having to respond to that, if you don't have a organization with a large liability"},{"startTime":2374.8,"endTime":2378.32,"body":"policy is impossible."},{"startTime":2380.24,"endTime":2384.72,"body":"So it sounds to me like Florida would rack up tons of lawsuits."},{"startTime":2384.72,"endTime":2391.12,"body":"And then let's say somebody who's us in Florida, and we would just respond saying no."},{"startTime":2391.84,"endTime":2395.6,"body":"How many years would it take for them to actually get through that list of all the people that"},{"startTime":2395.6,"endTime":2399.52,"body":"they've just sued to actually go after people?"},{"startTime":2400.4,"endTime":2401.36,"body":"They would never do it."},{"startTime":2401.36,"endTime":2403.12,"body":"They would never be able to get through it."},{"startTime":2403.92,"endTime":2407.52,"body":"I'm sure the Alliance Defending Freedom would help them out with a lot of those cases."},{"startTime":2407.52,"endTime":2409.28,"body":"Maybe and keep working them."},{"startTime":2409.28,"endTime":2415.36,"body":"Probably the point, though, is this is the religious slap law."},{"startTime":2415.36,"endTime":2419.12,"body":"Yes, it's not about the actual lawsuits."},{"startTime":2419.12,"endTime":2423.28,"body":"It's about threatening the slap suit to demure people and keep them from saying"},{"startTime":2424.4,"endTime":2426.0,"body":"nasty things about the scientists."},{"startTime":2427.68,"endTime":2432.96,"body":"It's literally you set up a law that makes it so that somebody can threaten to sue."},{"startTime":2432.96,"endTime":2439.44,"body":"So instead of us actually getting sued, we would get a letter from a lawyer saying,"},{"startTime":2439.44,"endTime":2446.0,"body":"you must take down this episode, or you must end your podcast, or we will sue."},{"startTime":2446.8,"endTime":2453.36,"body":"If I were given the choice between deleting the podcast and having to respond to a lawsuit in Florida,"},{"startTime":2456.32,"endTime":2459.36,"body":"there is no real question there."},{"startTime":2459.36,"endTime":2465.28,"body":"Financially, there's no way I could handle a cross-country."},{"startTime":2466.16,"endTime":2468.16,"body":"Well, there's no way we could handle a lawsuit."},{"startTime":2468.16,"endTime":2469.6,"body":"It couldn't handle a lawsuit anywhere."},{"startTime":2471.84,"endTime":2478.24,"body":"Now, fortunately, so far, nobody has really gone after a small podcast."},{"startTime":2479.52,"endTime":2483.68,"body":"Steve novella has gotten sued for things he said on the skeptic-guided universe."},{"startTime":2484.56,"endTime":2486.72,"body":"They also named his employer Yale."},{"startTime":2486.72,"endTime":2493.28,"body":"And he has a large enough podcast, he was able to raise enough money to actually"},{"startTime":2494.4,"endTime":2498.4,"body":"between the parties they were able to defeat that suit."},{"startTime":2500.32,"endTime":2503.6,"body":"Small podcasts don't get sued because there's no money."},{"startTime":2503.6,"endTime":2504.8,"body":"There's no money in it."},{"startTime":2504.8,"endTime":2506.4,"body":"It's simply about shutting people down."},{"startTime":2507.52,"endTime":2509.28,"body":"This could change all of that."},{"startTime":2510.56,"endTime":2513.04,"body":"Yep, which is why it will get shut down."},{"startTime":2513.04,"endTime":2514.32,"body":"That's not going to get anywhere."},{"startTime":2514.32,"endTime":2518.4,"body":"Hopefully, but we all know how DeSantis has been."},{"startTime":2519.36,"endTime":2519.92,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":2519.92,"endTime":2520.88,"body":"Catering lately."},{"startTime":2521.76,"endTime":2526.96,"body":"All right, so on that note, we have no new feedback, no new patrons."},{"startTime":2528.72,"endTime":2534.48,"body":"If you want to contact us, you can use the feedback form at htotw.com slash contact."},{"startTime":2535.12,"endTime":2539.44,"body":"You can leave us a voice message at 208-996-8667."},{"startTime":2540.16,"endTime":2542.72,"body":"Or you can use the Speakpipe button on the website."},{"startTime":2542.72,"endTime":2548.0,"body":"And you can support the show on a monthly basis with PayPal with Patreon."},{"startTime":2548.0,"endTime":2551.84,"body":"Or just once with PayPal, credit, debit, Apple Pay, or Google 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