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<v Scott Wiens>our sermon text for today comes from two places in the gospel of john, and that's where we're going to start, and I think a lot of you who have read the gospel of john understand when you get into these parts of john.

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<v Scott Wiens>These are the long discourse that jesus has with his disciples during the time that we call the last supper and right before, of course, he is arrested.

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<v Scott Wiens>And jesus says some really powerful things to the disciples during this discourse and John captures them very, very powerfully.

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<v Scott Wiens>So we're going to turn to John 14 to begin with, and we're going to start in verse 15.

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<v Scott Wiens>Jesus says if you love me, you will keep my commandments and I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, even the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive because it neither sees him nor knows him.

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<v Scott Wiens>You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you Verse 18.

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<v Scott Wiens>I will not leave you as orphans.

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<v Scott Wiens>I will come to you Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me Because I live.

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<v Scott Wiens>You also will live In that day.

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<v Scott Wiens>You will know that I am in the Father and you in me and I in you.

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<v Scott Wiens>Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me, and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's powerful stuff, verse 24.

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<v Scott Wiens>While I am still with you.

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<v Scott Wiens>But the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to remembrance all that I have said to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, flip over a couple of pages.

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<v Scott Wiens>If you're using an actual physical Bible, go to John 16 and we're gonna pick up in verse five.

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<v Scott Wiens>Jesus continues on, but now I am going to him who sent me, and none of you asked me where are you going?

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<v Scott Wiens>But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.

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<v Scott Wiens>Nevertheless, I tell you the truth it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the helper will not come to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>But if I go, I will send him to you and when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment.

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<v Scott Wiens>Concerning sin because they do not believe in me.

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<v Scott Wiens>Concerning righteousness because I go to the Father and you will see me no longer.

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<v Scott Wiens>Concerning judgment because the ruler of this world is judged Verse 12,.

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<v Scott Wiens>I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

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<v Scott Wiens>When the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you in all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears, he will speak and he will declare to you the things that to come he will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>All that the father has is mine.

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<v Scott Wiens>Therefore, I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>There is probably no more misunderstood member of the triune God than the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>And that's understandable, by the way, if you think about it, because most of us have been raised in families, whether good or bad, but we've been raised in the family.

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<v Scott Wiens>So, god the Father, we can recognize and associate and we can, kind of we can see God the Father, god the Son, well, we can understand that too.

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<v Scott Wiens>But God the Holy Spirit, it's a little more difficult, and the reason is we really have no frame of reference for that.

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<v Scott Wiens>You know, I don't know if you've noticed, but God's doing something pretty special here recently.

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<v Scott Wiens>It seems like ever since we came back to one service.

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<v Scott Wiens>God just seems to be moving here.

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<v Scott Wiens>The Spirit is moving here.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's really been wonderful and it's interesting because the themes that are coming out of the worship by the way, the worship has always been wonderful, but the other day I don't know what it was.

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<v Scott Wiens>Well, I know what it was From the first note that they hit.

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<v Scott Wiens>I just felt this power just hit me.

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<v Scott Wiens>The worship just seems to be anointed even more.

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<v Scott Wiens>People seem to be moved.

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<v Scott Wiens>More People are sharing scriptures in almost a prophetic way.

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<v Scott Wiens>People are sharing words of encouragement.

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<v Scott Wiens>Sometimes we've even had prophetic words and there's themes of things like identifying strongholds, removing strongholds, anger themes like anger and fear and shame have been coming out.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's the Holy Spirit and he's moving.

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<v Scott Wiens>A couple months ago, tyler came to us at the elders meeting and he said that you know he identified this.

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<v Scott Wiens>Of course we all saw it and knew it.

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<v Scott Wiens>He said that you know he identified this.

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<v Scott Wiens>Of course we all saw it and knew it.

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<v Scott Wiens>And he just said I really feel that the Lord wants us to teach on the Holy Spirit, that part, that member of the triune, god, the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>And he said because this is a time where he's moving and we need to understand what he's doing, understand who the Holy Spirit is, the gifts that he bestows on the church, on us individually, how he moves and how he accomplishes the purpose of the gospel in this congregation and in this world.

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<v Scott Wiens>And so we decided to preach that series on the Holy Spirit, and I'm kicking it off today.

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<v Scott Wiens>But this is all to equip us.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, before I jump into this first sermon series, for this first message on this sermon series, can I just be real with all of us?

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<v Scott Wiens>Can we be real together here for just a moment?

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<v Scott Wiens>Do you agree that we all have filters that were created from the past, teachings that we've sat under or books that we may have read, that guide and filter our understanding of something you know?

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<v Scott Wiens>By the way, that was a nail-biter last night that Tennessee game.

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<v Scott Wiens>I came to Tennessee eight years ago and I quickly came to understand those people that were raised in East Tennessee and their passion that they had for the Vols.

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<v Scott Wiens>It influenced them.

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<v Scott Wiens>I mean parents who taught their kids you are a Vols fan and you will not be anybody else, right?

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<v Scott Wiens>We're influenced by our environment and we're influenced by the teachings that we sit under.

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<v Scott Wiens>And, by the way, filters can be good when it comes to the, when it comes to truth, it can be very good.

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<v Scott Wiens>In fact, we're supposed to build filters of good doctrine and understanding that.

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<v Scott Wiens>But, if you're honest with yourself, sometimes our filters can be a little bit tainted and they need adjustment.

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<v Scott Wiens>And I can tell you that because, when it comes to the topic of the Holy Spirit, my filter was way off Because I was raised in a church that taught something very different than the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>And so I just want to challenge all of us, including myself, because I've taken this challenge already and ask you a few questions, and this is something you have to answer for yourself Are we willing to allow our filters to be challenged by the word of God?

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<v Scott Wiens>I've had to go back and realize I sat under certain teaching that quote used God's word, but yet had an agenda, and sometimes they went beyond the word of God into that gray area, and that gray area became my doctrine and I realized, wait, a second, I got to go back to what Scripture tells me.

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<v Scott Wiens>Are we willing to take a fresh look at the doctrine of the Holy Spirit or do you think you got it figured out?

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<v Scott Wiens>You think you got him all figured out?

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<v Scott Wiens>Are we willing to honestly look at what Scripture says about who the Holy Spirit is and what he does and maybe in the process, challenge some of our long-held beliefs.

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<v Scott Wiens>And let me just say this Sometimes that tweak might be small, it might be just a small tweak, maybe it's a big tweak, maybe it's a.

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<v Scott Wiens>Let's just recreate the whole filter again, which is kind of what I had to do.

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<v Scott Wiens>This is a challenge that I think we should go into any sermon series, anytime we open up the Bible.

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<v Scott Wiens>We should do this.

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<v Scott Wiens>But I'm just going to ask you to challenge yourself that way.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's hard to be objective when it comes to those filters, but it's something that's important.

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<v Scott Wiens>So please accept that challenge with myself and the elders, and I'm confident God's going to speak to you and refresh your understanding of the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>I can't wait for the other messages to come on this.

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<v Scott Wiens>So in this first sermon, first series, first sermon of the series probably getting that all messed up we're going to be talking about the person of the Holy Spirit and we're going to take a look at these two passages and a few others and we're going to focus on three things.

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<v Scott Wiens>The first is the Holy Spirit as a person.

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<v Scott Wiens>The second is the Holy Spirit as part of the Trinity, and the third is the primary purpose of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian.

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<v Scott Wiens>So that's what we're going to do today.

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<v Scott Wiens>So let's dive straight in the Holy Spirit as a person.

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<v Scott Wiens>Well, let me just start with this Is the Holy Spirit a person or is he a force?

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<v Scott Wiens>Now you are in a church called Trinity Community Church, so I'm sure that most of you acknowledge the fact that God is a Trinity, but I'm not going to take that.

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<v Scott Wiens>Sometimes you can make assumptions that aren't always right, and if we're going to set this up from the beginning, we need to be convinced that the Holy Spirit is indeed a person.

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<v Scott Wiens>And you might say, well, why is that so important?

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<v Scott Wiens>Well, it's really important.

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<v Scott Wiens>If you think the Holy Spirit is not a person, you will relate to him very differently than if you think he is a person.

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<v Scott Wiens>I know that because from age 12 to age 30-something, that's the way I viewed the Holy Spirit and I discounted him pretty much.

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<v Scott Wiens>He was just a force.

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<v Scott Wiens>And it changed.

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<v Scott Wiens>My life changed when I embraced the concept that the truth, that the Holy Spirit was a person.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now we're going to go back to John 14, and we're going to start unpacking this.

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<v Scott Wiens>We get to realize the audience that Jesus was talking to.

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<v Scott Wiens>He's talking to the disciples.

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<v Scott Wiens>Does anybody know what religion the disciples were?

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<v Scott Wiens>Judaism, yeah, exactly.

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<v Scott Wiens>And if you look at Judaism, if you go all the way back in the Old Testament, you read all the Old Testament One of the main differences between the whole nation of Israel and all the nations around them was that, it's pretty simple they believed in one God.

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<v Scott Wiens>They had a monotheistic religion.

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<v Scott Wiens>They believed in one God.

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<v Scott Wiens>In fact, almost all the other gods and all the other nations, excuse me had multiple gods.

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<v Scott Wiens>It was a differentiator.

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<v Scott Wiens>And can you understand now why the Pharisees got their nose so out of joint anytime Jesus talked about him being God Blasphemy.

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<v Scott Wiens>They would say that's blasphemy why?

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<v Scott Wiens>Because their whole religion was based upon monotheism and monotheism again.

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<v Scott Wiens>Monotheism and monotheism again is simply belief that there's only one God.

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<v Scott Wiens>So the concept of the Spirit of God would not, by the way, be totally foreign to them, because in the Old Testament, in Old Testament Scripture, there was references to a Spirit of God, and we're going to talk a little bit about that, but for the most part this would have been new to them.

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<v Scott Wiens>So, with that in mind, realizing that these disciples had that view, let's just read what it says, and we're going to begin in verse 16 of John 14.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now listen carefully to what he says.

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<v Scott Wiens>And I Jesus will ask the Father, god the Father, and he will give you another helper to be with you.

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<v Scott Wiens>Even see Jesus introducing the disciples to the Holy Spirit, using language that is personification Right from the beginning.

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<v Scott Wiens>And there's a word in here that you might go over too quickly that really is pivotal in understanding this.

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<v Scott Wiens>That word is another Another In verse 16, he says and I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now we automatically just go to the word helper a lot of times.

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, but that word another is so key because Jesus is telling them that he's leaving and another is coming in his place.

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<v Scott Wiens>And you know that word another is interesting.

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<v Scott Wiens>That Greek word is alos, and it can mean one of two things.

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<v Scott Wiens>It can mean either another that is different or another that is exactly alike.

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<v Scott Wiens>Guess which one is used here?

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<v Scott Wiens>Exactly alike, exactly alike, not a different flavor, not a different shape, not a different color, exactly alike.

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<v Scott Wiens>You see, jesus was promising his disciples and, by the way all of us that when he left the earth, another person just like him would come in and dwell in us.

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<v Scott Wiens>And verse 18 reemphasizes this personhood of the Holy Spirit when he says I will not leave you, orphans, I will come to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>Wait a second.

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<v Scott Wiens>You're contradicting yourself, jesus.

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<v Scott Wiens>You're telling us you're leaving, but then you're saying you're going to come and dwell in us.

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<v Scott Wiens>Why didn't he say and the Holy Spirit will come to you?

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<v Scott Wiens>He says I will come to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>Do you see how he's using them, himself and the Holy Spirit, in the same breath, for the same function?

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<v Scott Wiens>It wasn't something different.

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<v Scott Wiens>The Holy Spirit is Jesus.

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<v Scott Wiens>Jesus is the Holy Spirit, and sometimes it's difficult for us to understand that concept.

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<v Scott Wiens>My next point's on the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>We're really going to get into that, but it's important that you understand he is a person.

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<v Scott Wiens>Another revealing truth that is apparent if we look at this passage of Scripture is the use of the pronoun he, he.

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<v Scott Wiens>You know he is a masculine pronoun in Greek and it's eikinos, which is applied directly to the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's a masculine pronoun and, by the way, in Greek grammar the word spirit is typically accompanied by the neuter noun.

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, neither male nor female, it's neuter eikineo.

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<v Scott Wiens>So you see right away that the translators are being faithful to that original text and they're saying he, a word, spirit, which typically is considered not a person.

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<v Scott Wiens>They are assigning it with that pronoun and that's important to understand.

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<v Scott Wiens>By the way, if anybody says, well, that's just twisting of that.

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<v Scott Wiens>This is the audacity that my old church had and it just bugs me when I think about it.

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<v Scott Wiens>I'm getting a little bit ahead of my notes.

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<v Scott Wiens>But they literally said that was a mistranslation, that the translators, these Greek scholars, were simply falling prey to a Trinitarian doctrine that was not of God.

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<v Scott Wiens>Oh, the audacity of that.

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<v Scott Wiens>I just think about it now.

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<v Scott Wiens>I just think why, why did I believe that?

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<v Scott Wiens>Well, that's why we have to have our filters tweaked right Now.

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<v Scott Wiens>I want to just quickly address this word helper, paraclete.

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<v Scott Wiens>We use the ESV right Most of the time we preach at the ESV and it's interpreted as helper.

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<v Scott Wiens>In some translations it's actually.

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<v Scott Wiens>The word is counselor, is put in place.

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<v Scott Wiens>Some it's advocate, advocate.

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<v Scott Wiens>And you might ask well, why didn't they just get one?

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<v Scott Wiens>Why isn't it the same word?

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<v Scott Wiens>I'll tell you why Because there's no English word that really describes this word helper or paraclete.

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<v Scott Wiens>I should say Helper, advocate, whatever the reality is.

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<v Scott Wiens>If you think about a helper, what the helper does assists you, maybe, helps you, teaches you, advocate okay, he advocates for us, counselor, he counsels us.

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<v Scott Wiens>Every time you see that word it's an attempt to try to describe the Holy Spirit in English words and we're going to fall short, so that's why it says different things.

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<v Scott Wiens>So please, when you're looking at your translation, don't get too wrapped up and say, well, it's an advocate, so it really can't be a helper and it can't be a counselor.

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<v Scott Wiens>No, it's all of that.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's why we study it a little bit into these languages to help us understand Truly.

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<v Scott Wiens>Every one of those describes the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, if you recall my introduction, I challenged all of us to see past, or maybe our current filters on this.

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<v Scott Wiens>In this area of understanding of the Holy Spirit, of the person I mentioned, I had a huge filter in place and I actually went to our church's college.

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<v Scott Wiens>It was a seminary.

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<v Scott Wiens>Basically the only degree we could get when we were there was theology.

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<v Scott Wiens>So I sat in every type of theology class you would expect.

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<v Scott Wiens>You know the epistles of Paul, the general epistles, the life and teachings of Jesus Christ who went through, the gospels, all that stuff.

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<v Scott Wiens>I sat in all of those.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now we would actually have the Bible of the church approved was the New King James Version, and we had a bookstore on campus and we all went and bought the wide margin Nelson New King James Version.

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<v Scott Wiens>And then we all bought repudiograph pens.

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<v Scott Wiens>How many people know what a repudiograph pen is?

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<v Scott Wiens>Oh good, believe me, it was just fun to say repudiograph because it made you sound smart.

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<v Scott Wiens>It literally is a pen that won't bleed through flax paper.

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<v Scott Wiens>Yeah, you might look them up.

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<v Scott Wiens>By the way, if you like to mark in your Bible and you're tired of your pen bleeding through the other page, buy a repudiograph pen.

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<v Scott Wiens>See, you did learn something today.

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<v Scott Wiens>This is really good.

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<v Scott Wiens>Well, what would happen is we'd go to our classes and we'd take our notes down in our notebooks and then at night we'd sit in our studies and we'd open up our Bible and we'd transfer those notes with a rapideograph pen.

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<v Scott Wiens>And so I want to show you a picture of my Bible, my New King James Bible.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, this is pretty interesting, you'll notice.

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<v Scott Wiens>This is in verse 17,.

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<v Scott Wiens>Even the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive because it neither sees him nor knows him.

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<v Scott Wiens>But you know him, for he dwells in you and will be with you.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now you can see I've kind of scratched out what I wrote in there before.

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<v Scott Wiens>This was after my eyes got open and I scratched it out.

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<v Scott Wiens>I was mad.

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<v Scott Wiens>It says should all be it.

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<v Scott Wiens>I literally wrote that in there.

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<v Scott Wiens>You see, I was taught that the Holy Spirit was the power of God, not God.

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<v Scott Wiens>And so all through my book and this is all through my Bible I started to try to correct it and then I realized so much of the doctrine of my church was in that Bible, I just put it on the shelf.

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<v Scott Wiens>All the hours of rapidi-ref pen work gone.

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<v Scott Wiens>I keep that Bible to remind myself of what truth is and how far God has taken me.

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<v Scott Wiens>I am so, so grateful for that.

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<v Scott Wiens>When you stop explaining away truth and take these scriptures for face value, it's so evident that Jesus is clearly giving the Holy Spirit a personal name he is a person.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now let's just take a look at some scriptural references that talk about the Holy Spirit in terms of a person, and I'm going to go through these rather quickly.

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<v Scott Wiens>References that talk about the Holy Spirit in terms of a person, and I'm going to go through these rather quickly.

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<v Scott Wiens>The Holy Spirit teaches us.

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<v Scott Wiens>John 14, 26,.

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<v Scott Wiens>But the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things.

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<v Scott Wiens>We've already talked about this he will teach you all things.

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<v Scott Wiens>He's a teacher.

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<v Scott Wiens>Romans 8, 15,.

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<v Scott Wiens>The Holy Spirit leads us, for all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, did you know the Holy Spirit prays for us?

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<v Scott Wiens>Let's go back to Romans 8, verse 26.

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<v Scott Wiens>Like the way the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know what to pray for, as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

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<v Scott Wiens>Did you know you can grieve the Holy Spirit Ephesians 4.30, and do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

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<v Scott Wiens>Do you know that the Holy Spirit has the capability to give gifts?

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<v Scott Wiens>Give gifts.

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<v Scott Wiens>1 Corinthians 12,.

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<v Scott Wiens>Romans 12,.

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<v Scott Wiens>Ephesians 4,.

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<v Scott Wiens>All of those list gifts specifically coming from the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>Did you know the Holy Spirit can hang out with you, he can fellowship with you?

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<v Scott Wiens>2 Corinthians 3, 14,.

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<v Scott Wiens>The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you.

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<v Scott Wiens>Trinity, right there, clearly identifies that the Holy Spirit is the one.

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<v Scott Wiens>The Holy Spirit be with you.

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<v Scott Wiens>Trinity, right there, clearly identifies that the Holy Spirit is the one that's going to fellowship with you.

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<v Scott Wiens>All these scriptures are assigning personal attributes to the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>You can't grieve an inanimate force.

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<v Scott Wiens>You can't fellowship with an inanimate force.

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<v Scott Wiens>Sometimes I wonder if Star Wars was influenced by Satan Boy.

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<v Scott Wiens>Somebody's going to kill me for that one.

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<v Scott Wiens>But think about it.

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<v Scott Wiens>The force, right, the force, but this force.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's the way we explained it.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's the way me as a kid, because I was a kid when Star Wars came out.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's the way I kind of explained it.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's a force, it's not Force.

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<v Scott Wiens>Doesn't pray for you.

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<v Scott Wiens>All right.

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<v Scott Wiens>Point number two the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>In order to understand the Holy Spirit, we cannot look at him outside of the concept of the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>I've been asking people, by the way, when's the last time you came to Trinity Community Church and heard a sermon on the Trinity?

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<v Scott Wiens>You know why?

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<v Scott Wiens>The way, why we don't typically talk about this is because there's an assumption that you all believe in that, because we obviously believe in the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>But I think it's important that we just take a little bit of time and look at the Trinity and understand a little bit more about what it is.

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<v Scott Wiens>Let's go back to our core verses in John 14, verse 25 through 26.

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<v Scott Wiens>He says these things I have spoken to you while I am still with you.

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<v Scott Wiens>But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send me in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that.

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<v Scott Wiens>I have spoken to you while I am still with you.

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<v Scott Wiens>But the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send me in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>So, literally, in this very short two verses in this chapter of John, we see the Trinity identified, clearly identified, and these are the words coming directly from Jesus himself.

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<v Scott Wiens>And since God, the Holy Spirit, is part of the Trinity, we need to at least take a high level.

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<v Scott Wiens>Look at what this doctrine is.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now let me just stop for a minute and let's talk about this.

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<v Scott Wiens>You're not going to get me to stand up here and say I'm going to explain the Trinity to you in a way that you will have no other questions ever about the Trinity and you can take this to the bank and post it on social media.

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<v Scott Wiens>I'm not going to do that and you want to know why I wrote down here before we go any further.

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<v Scott Wiens>I want to identify right up front that defining the Trinity is not an exercise that ends with a conclusive and definitive summation that fully and completely defines the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>At best, we're attempting to define God, which, by the nature of who God is and who we are, is an exercise in the impossible.

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<v Scott Wiens>Point number three no, billy Graham, a great evangelist, said this about the Holy Spirit, and I love this quote God the Father is fully God.

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<v Scott Wiens>God the Son is fully God.

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<v Scott Wiens>God the Holy Spirit is fully God.

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<v Scott Wiens>The Bible presents this as a fact.

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<v Scott Wiens>It does not explain it.

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<v Scott Wiens>It does not explain it.

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<v Scott Wiens>It doesn't explain it, not in a way we can understand.

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<v Scott Wiens>Rc Sproul said in a lecture on the Trinity one time.

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<v Scott Wiens>He said what God reveals, although not something we can always understand, is never contradictory.

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<v Scott Wiens>And you will find that the Trinity is a stumbling block for many people who are not believers.

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<v Scott Wiens>Why?

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<v Scott Wiens>Because they can't understand it.

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<v Scott Wiens>They can't understand it and you can't give them a definition that puts it in the box that they want to put it in.

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<v Scott Wiens>The fact that you can stand here and say amen and not get all bent out of shape, that I'm not going to be able to give you a definition that you can take to the bank, shows me that you are imbued with the Holy Spirit, because otherwise you'd go crazy and you would reject it outright.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's interesting when people come to you and they want to quote, discuss god, and you can never give them a definition that will make them happy.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's important for us to grasp and some believe that, of course, describing trinity the three in persons is really contradictory, but it's not.

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<v Scott Wiens>And I've got one last quote.

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<v Scott Wiens>This one's a little longer, but this one really hits to the point, and this is by a guy named Louis Burkoff.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, louis Burkoff was a theologian, a Danish-American theologian, who really dedicated most of his life to studying systematic theology.

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<v Scott Wiens>He's kind of like the Wayne Grudem of the late 19th century.

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<v Scott Wiens>This is what he says.

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<v Scott Wiens>We're going to go through this a little slow, because I think it's just so spot on.

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<v Scott Wiens>The Trinity is a mystery.

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<v Scott Wiens>Man cannot comprehend it and make it intelligible.

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<v Scott Wiens>It is intelligible in some of its relations and modes of manifestation, and that's what we're going to talk about today but unintelligible in its essential nature.

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<v Scott Wiens>The real difficulty lies in the relation in which the persons of the Godhead stand to the divine essence and to one another, and this is a difficulty which the church cannot remove, and we're going to talk a little bit more about that, because it's impossible.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's just something that's there we have to deal with, but only tried to reduce to its proper proportion by a proper definition of terms, and that's what we're going to do today.

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<v Scott Wiens>It has.

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<v Scott Wiens>It being a church has never tried to explain the mystery of the Trinity, but only sought to formulate the doctrine of the Trinity in such a manner that the errors which endangered it were warded off.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, what is important to note?

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<v Scott Wiens>That last part.

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<v Scott Wiens>If you go back into church history, you will understand that there was an attack, and has been almost from the beginning, against God being a triune God, and so people who don't believe in the Trinity will say well, you know, the word Trinity is not in the Bible.

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<v Scott Wiens>Duh, yeah, we know that.

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<v Scott Wiens>All you know is a doctrine that was added later.

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<v Scott Wiens>No, it wasn't a doctrine that was added later.

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<v Scott Wiens>It was a name that was given to the study of God as a triune being.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's what it was, and you will find long articles attacking the Trinity, saying it's some kind of doctrine that got seeped in and just slipped into the church.

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<v Scott Wiens>No, it was literally.

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<v Scott Wiens>The reason the whole doctrine of the Trinity was set was again to address the errors and the blasphemy.

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<v Scott Wiens>Basically, basically, that was coming into the church.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's why the Trinity and the concept of the Trinity was coined.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, the challenge we have in defining anything is the reliance that we typically have upon a frame of reference.

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, so let's talk a little bit about this.

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<v Scott Wiens>Remember, I told you that we understand God the Father because we've had fathers.

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<v Scott Wiens>We understand God the Son because we maybe had children.

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<v Scott Wiens>But God the Holy Spirit we've never had a Holy Spirit in our life, have we?

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, not in the physical right.

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<v Scott Wiens>You know, my wife and I, when we were between our sophomore and junior years, we went to college in East Texas, a little college in a little town in Big Sandy, texas, and then between our sophomore and junior years, we drove.

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<v Scott Wiens>There was about six or seven of us with three cars.

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<v Scott Wiens>We drove all the way to California where the church's headquarters was, and we finished our last two years there.

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<v Scott Wiens>On that drive, all of us decided we were going to stop and see the Grand Canyon.

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, now you're going to understand.

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<v Scott Wiens>I grew up as this Canadian plains boy on the plains of Saskatchewan.

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<v Scott Wiens>Everything was flat and any kind of little gorge we had was you could almost jump across it.

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<v Scott Wiens>When we walked up to the rim of the Grand Canyon, it literally took my breath away and I remember sitting there just going.

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<v Scott Wiens>It literally took my breath away and I remember sitting there just going.

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<v Scott Wiens>I was looking for a frame of reference and I couldn't find one.

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<v Scott Wiens>You know, the average width of the Grand Canyon is 10 miles wide.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's the average.

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<v Scott Wiens>And what's so amazing about that is you try to find a frame of reference, like you look over the edge and you look, and you look and say, see those people, that's people down there.

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<v Scott Wiens>They're little specks down there, and then you try to use that as a frame of reference, but you can't.

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<v Scott Wiens>Well, that's the same thing with the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>There's no frame of reference to understand this.

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<v Scott Wiens>And we're going to talk a little bit about some things and the model that I'm going to put up here on the screen a little bit later.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's just a model, to show an attempt at it, but it's never going to fully answer it.

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<v Scott Wiens>But let me just say the good news about this.

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<v Scott Wiens>The good news is that God has revealed to us enough so that we can have a relationship with each member of the Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's the beautiful part.

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<v Scott Wiens>So, with that in the background, let's go in to talk about, let's get a definition of God as a Trinity.

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<v Scott Wiens>Well, wayne Grudem in his book Systematic Theology says this God externally exists as three persons Father, son and Holy Spirit, and each person is fully God and there is only one God.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now we're given hints to the Trinity in the Old Testament.

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<v Scott Wiens>By the way, all you got to do is turn to Genesis, chapter 1.

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<v Scott Wiens>Genesis 1, verse 26, says Then God said let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

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<v Scott Wiens>God was not schizophrenic, he was talking to somebody.

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<v Scott Wiens>And the word, by the way, for God there is Elohim, which is used as a masculine noun, but it's a plural noun.

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<v Scott Wiens>So right away, we have tips again, right this time, from Hebrew grammar, that it's a plural noun.

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<v Scott Wiens>So right away, we have tips again, right this time, from Hebrew grammar, that God is a plural God and we're given hints about things like that If you keep going like in the Old Testament, in Isaiah 63, 10, isaiah is talking to God's people and he makes this statement.

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<v Scott Wiens>He says that God's people have rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>Hmm, again, grieving the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>I really believe that's one of the reasons why Paul used it in his reference in Corinthians, because they would have been familiar with that.

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<v Scott Wiens>And again, because of time, believe me, I had lots of research on this.

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<v Scott Wiens>I could have gone into a lot, but just for time I can't go.

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<v Scott Wiens>But if you want to go any deeper in this, believe me, there's plenty of resources that we can talk about.

00:34:44.418 --> 00:34:53.221
<v Scott Wiens>But, moving to the New Testament, we get a real clear picture of the Trinity Scripture's, just like the one we read in John 14.

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<v Scott Wiens>One of the clearest descriptions of the Holy Spirit as part of the Trinity is found when Jesus was baptized, in Luke 3, 21 through 22,.

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<v Scott Wiens>It says it so beautifully.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, when all the people were baptized and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened and the Holy Spirit descended down on him in bodily form, like a dove, and a voice came from heaven and said you are my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.

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<v Scott Wiens>What's so great about this is you literally see all three of the Trinity interacting together in one single event.

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<v Scott Wiens>Jesus is there, the Holy Spirit's coming down, manifesting as a dove, and God the Father is speaking.

00:35:40.027 --> 00:35:41.188
<v Scott Wiens>It all happened together coming down, manifesting as a dove, and God the Father is speaking.

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<v Scott Wiens>It all happened together at one time and people saw it.

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<v Scott Wiens>They saw it.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's why the person who wrote this they saw it.

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<v Scott Wiens>They're just saying this is what we saw, all of them together.

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<v Scott Wiens>We also see Jesus talking about the Trinity in the Great Commission, the Great Commission, the drumbeat which all of you and I, all of us, are walking forward with in that Great Commission, in Matthew 28.

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<v Scott Wiens>He gives them the instructions about making converts and he talks about baptism and he says in verse 19, go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Together, father, son and Holy Spirit All three.

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<v Scott Wiens>I'll tell you what really is powerful as you turn to the first chapter in the Gospel of John, verse 1.

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<v Scott Wiens>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

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<v Scott Wiens>Can you understand that if the Holy Spirit hasn't opened your mind?

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<v Scott Wiens>Do you understand how crazy this sounds.

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<v Scott Wiens>I'm going to tell you right now, if you are understanding this, he's inside of you already.

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<v Scott Wiens>He's already working in you.

00:37:10.161 --> 00:37:19.822
<v Scott Wiens>If you haven't given your life to Jesus, just hang on, because he's going to get you, because if you're understanding this, he's already inside of you.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's beautiful.

00:37:21.927 --> 00:37:22.969
<v Scott Wiens>It's just so powerful.

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<v Scott Wiens>So there've been many attempts to explain the concept of the Trinity and, by the way, well-meaning attempts, and I think this is good.

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<v Scott Wiens>Some of them have been a little off.

00:37:33.766 --> 00:37:35.860
<v Scott Wiens>Most of them fall short.

00:37:35.860 --> 00:37:37.871
<v Scott Wiens>I heard one said one plus one plus one equals one.

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<v Scott Wiens>Most of them fall short.

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<v Scott Wiens>I heard one said one plus one plus one equals one.

00:37:42.835 --> 00:37:46.007
<v Scott Wiens>That's bad math.

00:37:46.007 --> 00:37:50.059
<v Scott Wiens>It's not accurate.

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<v Scott Wiens>I was talking to John and Debbie the other day.

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<v Scott Wiens>We were talking about one of the metaphors they had heard was that God is like Trinity is like water, right H2O.

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<v Scott Wiens>Because water can be manifest as a vapor, right Steam.

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<v Scott Wiens>It can be manifest as a liquid water or as a solid, and that's a pretty good attempt.

00:38:10.795 --> 00:38:12.820
<v Scott Wiens>But why does it fall short?

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<v Scott Wiens>Because water H2O can only been in one of those states at any one time.

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<v Scott Wiens>You see, all metaphors fall short and it's okay that we attempt to understand it.

00:38:22.943 --> 00:38:30.389
<v Scott Wiens>Just don't get too wrapped up in that metaphor, because it's going to fall short, and that's okay.

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<v Scott Wiens>So let's start with some statements that we know are true, based upon Scripture.

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<v Scott Wiens>God is three persons.

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<v Scott Wiens>We've identified that Each person is fully God and there's only one God.

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, now I want to show one graphic of the Holy Spirit that somebody's used, which again falls short, but I think is pretty interesting.

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<v Scott Wiens>So you see, here in this you have the triangle, which, by the way, my wife was it something you read, honey, about the triangle?

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<v Scott Wiens>Yeah, and she said it's interesting Do you know that the triangle is the strongest geometrical shape that there is?

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<v Scott Wiens>There's no other shape that's stronger, stronger than an arch.

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<v Scott Wiens>And I think about it.

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<v Scott Wiens>I think, yeah, that's interesting.

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<v Scott Wiens>That might just be God, right, but in this one you see that God's in the middle.

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<v Scott Wiens>It says the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father.

00:39:32.701 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Scott Wiens>Here's the problem with this graphic, if you haven't already seen it, it has them separate.

00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.376
<v Scott Wiens>You see, they're all really together.

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<v Scott Wiens>So it's an attempt, and that's why we don't get too wrapped up in this and I just want to encourage you don't ever come to somebody and say, I got the Holy Spirit figured out, I'll explain it to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>It doesn't mean you can't talk about him.

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<v Scott Wiens>And here's what's really cool.

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<v Scott Wiens>The way we can help understand the persons of the Holy Spirit is in their functions and then their roles.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's really where God reveals us some truth about the Holy Spirit, because you have to understand in this oneness, the Holy Spirit, god, the Father, god, the Son, they're all omnipotent, they're all omnipresent, they're all omniscient, they're all eternal, they're all omnipotent, they're all omnipresent, they're all omniscient, they're all eternal, they're all self-sufficient.

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<v Scott Wiens>Each person of the Trinity is holy, good, gracious.

00:40:32.244 --> 00:40:39.347
<v Scott Wiens>Just when you read the gifts of the Holy Spirit in Galatians 5, or, excuse me, the fruits of the Holy Spirit in Galatians 5?

00:40:39.347 --> 00:40:40.594
<v Scott Wiens>Or, excuse me, the fruits of the Holy Spirit in Galatians 5?

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<v Scott Wiens>That's describing God, that's describing Jesus, because they're one, okay.

00:40:47.536 --> 00:40:52.858
<v Scott Wiens>So we have to make sure that we understand that when the Holy Spirit speaks, god is speaking.

00:40:52.858 --> 00:41:00.592
<v Scott Wiens>Okay, when Jesus says you know, when we talk about Christ in me, what is Christ in me?

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<v Scott Wiens>It's the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's who Christ in me is.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's beautiful, but the functions are where we see some differences, not differences that divide, though you have to understand these aren't differences that divide, these are just differences in functions that divide.

00:41:23.903 --> 00:41:27.293
<v Scott Wiens>These are just differences in functions, especially when you think about the redemption of mankind.

00:41:27.313 --> 00:41:30.402
<v Scott Wiens>You know, god, the Father, has put in place the plan for redemption of mankind.

00:41:30.402 --> 00:41:32.067
<v Scott Wiens>First, john 4, verse 14.

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<v Scott Wiens>I don't have the scripture up there, but you can write it down he put in place the redemption for mankind.

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<v Scott Wiens>It even says, of course, john 3, 16, we all know for God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, god.

00:41:46.150 --> 00:41:52.251
<v Scott Wiens>The son came into the world at the command of God to live a perfect life and pay the penalty for our sins, so that God could redeem us.

00:41:52.251 --> 00:42:04.891
<v Scott Wiens>And God the Holy Spirit indwells us to open our eyes to sin, our need for a Savior and, of course, then repentance and then to empower us to follow and obey and to bring new spiritual life.

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<v Scott Wiens>They have different roles and functions and, by the way, the roles, it seems like Scripture does give us insight in the fact that God the Son, god the Father and God the Holy Spirit are equal in deity, but they are also subordinate in their roles.

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<v Scott Wiens>In 1 Corinthians 15, paul clearly lays this out and it's really beautiful if you look at this.

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<v Scott Wiens>Let's go to that scripture, 1 Corinthians 15, 26.

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<v Scott Wiens>The last enemy to be destroyed is death, for God has put all things in subjection under his feet.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's Jesus, by the way.

00:42:42.001 --> 00:42:47.601
<v Scott Wiens>But when it says all things are put in subjection, it is plain that he, god, the Father, is accepted.

00:42:47.601 --> 00:42:50.188
<v Scott Wiens>Who put all things in subjection under him?

00:42:50.188 --> 00:42:52.202
<v Scott Wiens>I'm going to read the NLT because it's a little clearer after this.

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<v Scott Wiens>When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him.

00:42:56.782 --> 00:42:58.568
<v Scott Wiens>Who put all things in subjection under him?

00:42:58.568 --> 00:43:00.012
<v Scott Wiens>And God may be.

00:43:00.012 --> 00:43:11.193
<v Scott Wiens>All in all, I love the ESV, but the ESV gets really literal sometimes and this is why it's good sometimes to punt and go to the New Living Translation.

00:43:11.856 --> 00:43:16.708
<v Scott Wiens>And the New Living Translation says this and the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

00:43:16.708 --> 00:43:20.547
<v Scott Wiens>For the scriptures say, quote God has put all things under his authority.

00:43:20.547 --> 00:43:35.019
<v Scott Wiens>Then in brackets it says of course, when it says all things are under his authority, that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority, but that's what he was saying in the ESV God gave Christ that authority.

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<v Scott Wiens>Then, when all things are under his authority, the son will put himself under God's authority so that God, who gave his son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything.

00:43:46.041 --> 00:43:46.561
<v Scott Wiens>Everywhere.

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<v Scott Wiens>You see a humble attitude between God the Father and God the Son.

00:43:55.561 --> 00:43:57.208
<v Scott Wiens>Humble sounds strange, but you understand.

00:43:57.208 --> 00:43:59.539
<v Scott Wiens>There's this unity that you cannot break apart.

00:43:59.539 --> 00:44:03.940
<v Scott Wiens>Humble sounds strange, but you understand, there's this unity that you cannot break apart.

00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:11.686
<v Scott Wiens>It's beautiful in how Scripture tells us about this oneness.

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<v Scott Wiens>Add to this we've already read, in course, john 14, 15, where Jesus said in two different places that God the Father and then Jesus, both will send the helper, the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>You see that there's the ability to direct and guide.

00:44:29.844 --> 00:44:30.766
<v Scott Wiens>But again, you got to understand.

00:44:30.766 --> 00:44:36.804
<v Scott Wiens>They're the same in deity, the same in power, but there are subordinate roles that scripture indicates clearly.

00:44:36.804 --> 00:44:46.007
<v Scott Wiens>Don't get the idea and don't start laying over top of our Western society where here's your boss and here's you, and your boss sends you and you don't have that.

00:44:46.007 --> 00:44:49.003
<v Scott Wiens>You've got the same power In this case.

00:44:49.003 --> 00:44:53.148
<v Scott Wiens>They're all God, but they are subordinate in roles.

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, last point, point number three what's the primary purpose of the Holy Spirit?

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<v Scott Wiens>So thus far we've talked about the fact that the Holy Spirit is indeed a person.

00:45:06.148 --> 00:45:16.788
<v Scott Wiens>We've talked about the Holy Spirit as part of the Trinity that exists in internal relationship with God the Father and God the Son, equal in deity, yet different in function and roles.

00:45:16.788 --> 00:45:20.184
<v Scott Wiens>So what about this final point?

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<v Scott Wiens>What is the primary purpose of the Holy Spirit in the life of the church and the life of the Christian?

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<v Scott Wiens>I believe there's really two primary purposes.

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<v Scott Wiens>You could preach this sermon 20 different times and have more different purposes, but these, I believe, are overarching purposes that I see that come from this scripture.

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<v Scott Wiens>So let's go to John 16.

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<v Scott Wiens>This was the second passage of scripture.

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<v Scott Wiens>I said we were gonna teach on John 16, verses 12.

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<v Scott Wiens>Jesus continues.

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<v Scott Wiens>He says I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them.

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<v Scott Wiens>Now, when the spirit of truth comes, the Holy Spirit, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears, he will speak.

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<v Scott Wiens>The first purpose of the Holy Spirit is that he guides us in truth.

00:46:20.815 --> 00:46:23.681
<v Scott Wiens>He guides us in truth.

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<v Scott Wiens>You realize these disciples.

00:46:26.505 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Scott Wiens>They spent three years with him, with Jesus, and now he's going.

00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.246
<v Scott Wiens>Remember, we even said you are sorrowful.

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<v Scott Wiens>They were afraid, which, by the way, we know they were afraid because it talks about that and what happened to them in Acts.

00:46:40.561 --> 00:46:40.980
<v Scott Wiens>They were afraid which, by the way, we know.

00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:43.032
<v Scott Wiens>They were afraid because it talks about that and what happened to them in Acts.

00:46:43.032 --> 00:46:45.755
<v Scott Wiens>They were huddling together in an upper room somewhere.

00:46:45.755 --> 00:46:47.163
<v Scott Wiens>Some went fishing.

00:46:47.163 --> 00:47:01.815
<v Scott Wiens>You know these guys were freaked out, but the spirit of truth came on them that day in that upper room and they changed, they transformed.

00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:07.947
<v Scott Wiens>Truth comes through the Holy Spirit.

00:47:07.947 --> 00:47:25.380
<v Scott Wiens>The fact again, as I said before, that you can understand anything that I'm saying, that it's making sense to you, means the Holy Spirit's in you and he's doing a work in you right now, right now.

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<v Scott Wiens>How many times have we just thanked God for the fact that he opened our eyes?

00:47:28.851 --> 00:47:31.706
<v Scott Wiens>Man, there's so much to be thankful for.

00:47:31.706 --> 00:47:38.726
<v Scott Wiens>You would not like Scott Weems without God or without the Holy Spirit.

00:47:38.726 --> 00:47:43.802
<v Scott Wiens>I can guarantee you Nothing good in me.

00:47:43.802 --> 00:47:50.362
<v Scott Wiens>Without the Holy Spirit in us, we would not know truth and we'd be under the penalty of sin.

00:47:50.362 --> 00:47:57.304
<v Scott Wiens>He is the one who spiritually resurrects us and reveals God to us, and we know that God is truth.

00:47:57.304 --> 00:48:06.052
<v Scott Wiens>And once truth is revealed to us, we now have that understanding again of our need for a savior, the need for repentance Repentance, by the way, repentance.

00:48:06.052 --> 00:48:17.101
<v Scott Wiens>If you don't have repentance as part of the gospel, you're missing something Throughout our lives.

00:48:17.101 --> 00:48:18.284
<v Scott Wiens>He leads us in truth.

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<v Scott Wiens>The second purpose of the Holy Spirit can be found in Romans 8.

00:48:22.634 --> 00:48:31.320
<v Scott Wiens>And, by the way, if you just want to be edified as to who the Holy Spirit is and the beautiful things he does, just go to Romans 8 and read it.

00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.309
<v Scott Wiens>Romans 8 is so laden with truth about the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>Romans 8, 13 says For if you live according to the flesh, you will die.

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<v Scott Wiens>Amen, maybe you tried it, but if, by the spirit, you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

00:48:53.253 --> 00:48:56.606
<v Scott Wiens>You know what I don't read here?

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<v Scott Wiens>I don't read any teaching about moralistic living.

00:49:01.471 --> 00:49:09.132
<v Scott Wiens>But if you're just a good person and you don't sin, you will live.

00:49:09.132 --> 00:49:21.405
<v Scott Wiens>If, by the Spirit, by the Spirit, you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

00:49:21.405 --> 00:49:45.128
<v Scott Wiens>If you try to live a moral life without the Holy Spirit, you will fall far short, and Scripture seems to indicate that there will be people like that that will do that up until the point they die and they will stand before God in the judgment Christ before the judgment and they will stand before God in the judgment, christ before the judgment, and he will say those terrible words I knew you not.

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<v Scott Wiens>You were a moral person, but you weren't mine.

00:49:56.742 --> 00:49:58.387
<v Scott Wiens>We have the power of the Trinity inside.

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<v Scott Wiens>The same power it says further on in Romans 8, that placed Jesus at the right hand of God and was referenced, by the way, during the worship time.

00:50:07.389 --> 00:50:16.467
<v Scott Wiens>That same spirit, he is in you, he's in me, and through the power of the Holy Spirit we can experience freedom from the bondage of sin.

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<v Scott Wiens>It's a promise Satan loves to destroy, and shame is one of the most powerful ways he does it, besetting sins strongholds in our lives.

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<v Scott Wiens>He is in us and he who is in us is greater than he who is in the world.

00:50:47.945 --> 00:50:51.251
<v Scott Wiens>That is not just a meme.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's truth.

00:50:52.835 --> 00:50:54.217
<v Scott Wiens>That's truth.

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<v Scott Wiens>He's stronger than that.

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<v Scott Wiens>He's stronger than that and he's in you, he's in me and as we walk forward, we just have to call on that.

00:51:04.150 --> 00:51:09.422
<v Scott Wiens>We just have to call on that and I know it sounds like I'm making it so simple, and he's like Scott.

00:51:09.422 --> 00:51:11.108
<v Scott Wiens>You have no idea what I struggle with.

00:51:11.108 --> 00:51:21.489
<v Scott Wiens>I just know this there is nothing that God can't forgive you from, and he promises that he will be a helper.

00:51:21.489 --> 00:51:40.708
<v Scott Wiens>Do not let condemnation and shame bring you down, because Jesus said although I am going, I'm ascending another that's just like me, christ in you, christ in me.

00:51:43.981 --> 00:51:50.690
<v Scott Wiens>Well, so to conclude, listen, I've challenged us all today to look as objectively as we can at this scripture about the Holy Spirit.

00:51:50.690 --> 00:51:56.688
<v Scott Wiens>Let me just say this the next messages that we're going to go into, we're going to talk about the works of the Holy Spirit.

00:51:56.688 --> 00:51:58.547
<v Scott Wiens>We're going to talk about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

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<v Scott Wiens>We're going to talk about all these things and we're going to talk about the works of the Holy Spirit.

00:51:59.932 --> 00:52:00.603
<v Scott Wiens>We're going to talk about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

00:52:00.603 --> 00:52:05.949
<v Scott Wiens>We're going to talk about all these things and we're going to dig into some of these things, because the Bible gets really specific about this.

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<v Scott Wiens>I'm going to ask you to continue to carry this challenge over.

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<v Scott Wiens>Okay, don't have any idols in your life.

00:52:15.226 --> 00:52:17.050
<v Scott Wiens>Say well, no, that's wrong.

00:52:17.050 --> 00:52:18.532
<v Scott Wiens>Look at the scriptures.

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<v Scott Wiens>That's what it says.

00:52:19.333 --> 00:52:21.346
<v Scott Wiens>Let's be challenged on this.

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<v Scott Wiens>And I want to say something, and it was alluded to earlier in the worship.

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<v Scott Wiens>I want to just ask those who have not given their lives over to Jesus Christ I said already that if you haven't given your life over to Jesus Christ, the fact that this is making sense to you.

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<v Scott Wiens>That means the Holy Spirit's already inside of you.

00:52:43.030 --> 00:52:47.985
<v Scott Wiens>You don't come up here and pray and say, god, give me your Holy Spirit because I really want it.

00:52:47.985 --> 00:52:53.568
<v Scott Wiens>The fact that you want him means he's already in you, because otherwise it says the world is blind.

00:52:53.568 --> 00:52:56.092
<v Scott Wiens>Right, so we understand that.

00:52:56.092 --> 00:52:59.103
<v Scott Wiens>Just realize that you're already hooked.

00:52:59.103 --> 00:53:02.188
<v Scott Wiens>That sounds bad, but it's a good hooking.

00:53:03.371 --> 00:53:09.990
<v Scott Wiens>You want to be captured by the Holy Spirit and I'll tell you what he has for you.

00:53:09.990 --> 00:53:13.706
<v Scott Wiens>Uh-oh, he's going to preach health and wealth here.

00:53:13.706 --> 00:53:14.750
<v Scott Wiens>I'll tell you what he has for you.

00:53:14.750 --> 00:53:30.791
<v Scott Wiens>He has eternal life and he has the fact that now in your life you are going to live a different purpose and you are going to be transformed for the inside and those things that are strongholds in your life that you never thought you could get over.

00:53:30.791 --> 00:53:38.210
<v Scott Wiens>Suddenly you're going to get victories and more victories and more victories, and he's going to conform you into his image and his likeness.

00:53:38.210 --> 00:53:40.293
<v Scott Wiens>He's going to make you like him.

00:53:40.293 --> 00:53:46.612
<v Scott Wiens>You will start falling in line with what you'll want to not sin.

00:53:46.612 --> 00:53:50.626
<v Scott Wiens>That's what he's got ahead for you.

00:53:50.626 --> 00:53:57.909
<v Scott Wiens>So if you're not yet, if you haven't made that decision, and it's more than just a decision, but it starts with that.

00:53:57.909 --> 00:53:59.885
<v Scott Wiens>You can come forward.

00:53:59.905 --> 00:54:00.963
<v Scott Wiens>We have a prayer team up here.

00:54:00.963 --> 00:54:05.760
<v Scott Wiens>They don't just pray for you, by the way, they'll listen to you, they'll counsel you.

00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.329
<v Scott Wiens>By the way, they happen to be led by the Holy Spirit too.

00:54:09.329 --> 00:54:24.670
<v Scott Wiens>That's the life he has ahead for you, an eternal life, and everything you go through now you'll have that comfort, the comforter, the advocate, the helper.

00:54:24.670 --> 00:54:26.065
<v Scott Wiens>He'll be with you through all of that.

00:54:26.065 --> 00:54:28.346
<v Scott Wiens>Will you stand with me and let's pray?

00:54:38.141 --> 00:54:41.188
<v Scott Wiens>Heavenly Father, we are taught that we pray to youesus.

00:54:41.188 --> 00:54:49.750
<v Scott Wiens>You told us to pray to the father, so we start by saying heavenly father, god, we are humbled in your presence.

00:54:49.750 --> 00:54:55.565
<v Scott Wiens>We are humbled by the fact that you have promised this helper to us.

00:54:55.565 --> 00:55:29.101
<v Scott Wiens>We're humbled by the words that you preserved through all these thousands of years, and we're humbled by the fact that, through reasons we'll never know, you chose us and you sent your Holy Spirit into us, and he lives in us and he guides us, he advocates for us, he encourages us, he leads us, he teaches us, and that he is Christ in us, and he and you and Jesus are one Father.

00:55:29.101 --> 00:55:30.306
<v Scott Wiens>We're so humbled by this.

00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:35.088
<v Scott Wiens>There's really not much more to say, but we just want to thank you.

00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:36.985
<v Scott Wiens>We worship you for that.

00:55:37.005 --> 00:55:39.376
<v Scott Wiens>Thank you, we worship you for that.

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<v Scott Wiens>And, father, my prayer is for all of those who have yet to allow that to really sink in and to take that step forward, because, father, all they have to look forward to is a peace and comfort and a knowing that they have been forgiven, which is the most amazing thing to know, and a knowing that they have been forgiven, which is the most amazing thing to know.

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<v Scott Wiens>So, father, I pray, as Trinity goes forward, father, that you would continue to do what you're doing.

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<v Scott Wiens>We're not going to control you, we're not going to try, we're just going to let you do what you do.

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<v Scott Wiens>And, father, I pray that, as you move, that we would be listening and hearing and that you would just activate the gifts of your Holy Spirit in our midst, when we pray to you in the mornings by ourselves, when we're driving our car, when we're talking to somebody who doesn't know you at the grocery store, or when we come here in the mornings and we worship.

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<v Scott Wiens>Father, just activate the gifts of the Holy Spirit which you promised to your believers that we can continue to be filled and empowered with all the strength and all the gifts that you want us to receive, father.

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<v Scott Wiens>We pray that, and we pray this humbly in the powerful name of Jesus, our Redeemer and our Savior, amen.
