Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
Avoiding Babylon
From the Auto Shop to the Altar with REAL Exorcist Father Chad Ripperger
Despite the challenges of unexpected fame, Father Ripperger remains steadfast in using his platform to impart wisdom and tradition, impacting many, including our own faith journeys. Discover how his teachings on raising men have reshaped perspectives and deepened understanding of traditional Catholic values.
From the gritty world of a mechanic shop to the profound halls of philosophical thought, Father Ripperger's life story offers a rich tapestry of lessons learned and wisdom gained. We explore his blue-collar upbringing, where hands-on experiences and the guidance of influential mentors instilled a practical wisdom that seems rare today. Journey with us through his early discernment of a priestly vocation and the unexpected yet transformative path of education that led him to embrace philosophy and theology with passion and vigor.
Our conversation ventures into fascinating territory, from the psychological nuances connecting diabolic influences and communism to the complex intersections of theology and culture. Father Ripperger shares insights on fortitude, the challenges facing contemporary priesthood, and even the provocative connections between UFOs, AI, and faith. We tackle pressing issues like immigration and cultural identity, while reflecting on historical church debates and modern societal shifts. This episode promises a thought-provoking exploration of faith, philosophy, and the world around us, offering listeners much to contemplate and engage with.
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Speaker 2:IN TE SPELAVERUM. Because in taste there are founts okay, so there's a reason we started with that video okay, let's hear the apology.
Speaker 4:Come, come on.
Speaker 2:A few years back I took my son to see Scott Hahn at a parish on Long Island and at the beginning of the conference I saw you standing outside and I got really excited to see you. We were on the phone so I didn't want to bother you. So I just like came up and I was like hey, father, how are you I? You know I love all your talks. You've done so much for my faith. So we then go into watch the conference. Scott Hahn gives this amazing presentation on fatherhood and St Joseph and I kind of had a feeling you guys were going to sneak out before the conference was like quite over. So I grabbed my son and I go come on, I'll get you a picture with paul blart. So we sneak out and I'm coming out to get a picture with paul blart, and I think you thought I was coming to get a picture with you and it led at the time I didn't know kevin was standing right behind me because you were
Speaker 2:looking right at me. I'm like, oh, there's the guy you want to talk, so there you go so it led to a bit of an awkward moment where I'm like no, not you. Now I heard that Kevin made that video, kind of like, from that situation. Is that actually true?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think so. I think that was probably the inspiration behind it. That's amazing.
Speaker 2:What was that like even doing the conference with those guys? Did he have it at his house Because we went and he had all the guys from King of Queens there? What was that like even doing the conference with those guys? Like did he have it at his house? Like cause he, we went and he had all the guys from King of Queens there? So I go to the same parish as Kevin. Nobody really bothers him because you don't want to, you know you're at mass and stuff, but he's super friendly, a really genuinely a nice guy. I've spoken to him once but I really try not to bother him, but just even like how did that whole thing come about?
Speaker 4:Well, Kevin knew Scott. I had not met Scott yet, Kevin knew Scott. And so at a certain point a mutual friend of ours talked to Kevin and said, hey, what about getting father Ripper and Scott Hahn together for some private conferences? And so I did a few private conferences for them and then from that point on I was friends with Scott. And then Kevin wanted to know if I wanted to go listen to him talk. I said, yeah, sure, why not? So we went and went to the parish, watched him, and then, when we were coming out that's when you dissed me- yeah, I think there's.
Speaker 2:I kind respect that. Uh, he doesn't, um, like he's not like the the celebrity catholic, because that is a that is a danger, like even even you as a as a well-known priest, like are there dangers to being like the celebrity priest?
Speaker 4:so pitfalls you have to watch out for um, well, the main thing, I I think that the uh, I think the biggest mistake people make is they've got this idea that I've been trying to build that, that celebrity status, and that's actually not the case. It's kind of funny because my originally I didn't put any conference, any of the conferences or any of the um homilies I ever did online, and then my sister asked me hey, would you be willing to? You know, so I can listen to them. So then I created a private YouTube channel and then, um, I made the mistake of giving one of the conference links to this one woman and boom, it just blew up from there. And then, um, people have this idea I'm all over the place and actually probably about 80% um, probably about 80% of the conferences that you hear are actually private. I don't do hardly anything public. I only do about three conferences a year, but most of them are all private that I do for benefactors and things like that, and I record them and then Steve Cunningham puts them up.
Speaker 2:What year was the first time they blew up on you?
Speaker 4:Well, I think there was a lot of people listening to the stuff to begin with, but it was during COVID that people were just looking for stuff and then that's when the a number of people watching me really blew up. I think it's during COVID. So, you know, as far as any of the dangers go, I just I, you know it's. I try not to focus on the fact that you know, a lot of people know me. I'm just trying to focus on doing the work that we were trying to do. But then also, I figured at a certain point well, if this platform has become what it is, then I'm going to use it to catechize people, and so that's why I just that's why I maintain it. Otherwise, if I really thought that there were other people doing, you know a lot of, I mean, there are some people doing some good stuff, but I thought, you know, if the bishops were actually doing their job and if the priests were doing their job, I wouldn't even bother.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the first time I heard you was a talk called how to Raise a man, and I tell you that talk was life changing it, like it. It was so eye opening and I was like like what the heck have they not been teaching me my whole life? You know, but this was way before covid, but it was like a version of catholicism I had. I had never heard before, I had never been presented with anything traditional before that, and it kind of sent me down a rabbit hole, uh to to really just like changing my entire outlook on the faith. So thank you for everything you, everything that you have put out there. Really, I don't know if we realize how many people are impacted by little things that we say or something we put out online, but it is a wonderful medium when it's used for that. It's. Just the pitfalls of the actual internet can be pretty harsh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it can be. I mean it doesn't. I have my detractors, although I, but probably I get more entertainment from my detractors than I do anything else. So I had this one woman who was detracting against against me, and she started referring to my conferences as Chad Blabs. So now I have on the entrance to my office warning entering the Chad Blabs labs, right, so that's. And then another woman just, or somebody, said you need to talk to Father Ripper. This was on some forum and he referred to me as that little dictator in a cassock. So that was so funny. I actually have a little plaque on my desk it says little dictator in a cassock. So I just I find that's actually more humorous than anything else.
Speaker 4:I think the thing I've started to notice is that the the attacks are kind of increasing, but that's to be expected anytime. You get kind of a high profile but, um, a lot of the detraction now is by. I call them low information catholics. It's people who don't really know their faith as well as they like to think they do, and so they're taking pot shots. But I don't pay too much attention to that. I only really pay attention to somebody if he's, if they've got a platform in there and he or he's got a platform, she's got a platform and they're trying to inculcate in people false understanding of the church and its tradition and stuff like that, then I'll say something, but otherwise I just let it go.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I? I just read your latest book shop talk before we get into that. We have. I just read your latest book Shop Talk. Before we get into that. We have a little bit of housekeeping we have to do.
Speaker 2:Rob and I just got our first sponsor. It's Recusant Cellars. They sent it. Look, this is a wine company that decided to sponsor us and we told them about some of the controversy we were facing, which some of the controversy is from people who are also detractors of you. We presented it to them and they said we know exactly what you guys do. We fully support you. You guys can have at it, do your thing, don't worry, we're not worried about anything. So they are a Catholic family that sells wine. They're also a fruit farm from Washington. If you want to support Rob and I, this is an amazing way to do it, recusant sellers. They sent us three bottles of wine each. The first bottle, me and my wife drank like right away. When it came the second bottle, my wife drank while I was away at a conference last weekend, so I had one bottle left. I said we better get this promo in before I drink the third bottle. All three of them I thoroughly enjoyed.
Speaker 1:We were supposed to have them on air. Are you talking?
Speaker 4:about three bottles in this time frame, or are you talking about over the course of a few days?
Speaker 2:Over the course of a week. They said the last week. So it wasn't all tonight. I've only had a half a glass tonight and I only had it on air because I figured if I didn't drink it I would forget to do it. But also, enoch, you're the one who put this interview together and we just spent the weekend together, so. So I mean I have to throw a thank you to you. But do you have any questions? Right off the bat, from the book, you know.
Speaker 3:No, you guys go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I kind of warned you that I was just going to hog the entire conversation here, but one of the OK. So the book you wrote was Shop Talk and I, as I read through it, I'm like I had no idea like the blue collar beginnings of the origin story of father ripper, like you, you it's. It's kind of like a memoir, where you go through your childhood and just talk about the different things from your childhood, growing up in a mechanic shop that your father owned and how these little different scenarios like inspired your philosophical thought of the faith. I thought it was amazing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this is obviously just a small portion of. I always tell people I had, you know, I consider having had like this quasi-idyllic childhood because they, in the sense of everything that it provided for me formationally. It didn't mean we didn't have our difficulties and stuff like that, but it was just it was. There was so many things that I learned through the course of growing up with my father and my mother for that matter, she's obviously not, she's only mentioned, I think, once or twice in here, but but there was all sorts of stuff and so I thought you know, a lot of the stuff that I learned under my father is the types of stuff that was conventional wisdom in the past, but it's not any conventional wisdom anymore and so I thought, you know, I'm going to just put the book together. There's a few stories I forgot to put in here, but that's okay, it's pretty much intact. It gives you a good sense of the timeline, what it was like working with my father what the timeline, what it was like working with my father.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because I think most people would think that you were like a scholar from childhood, just because of the like, how thorough you are and how erudite you are. It's like well.
Speaker 4:I mean I did. I was one of those kids that was in all the advanced classes, you know, the honors classes and all that type of thing but I didn't really take my studies seriously until I got into college and then started studying philosophy and there was a couple of the professors who, just you know, really drove home certain things, and then it was from there that I really started buckling down and studying and then I just kind of continued it, Although I do consider myself to be one of those people that's going to spend time in purgatory for not having studied more than I should have. I should have studied a lot more than I did, but there it is.
Speaker 2:I find that hard to believe, but I have to ask you this when did you start discerning your vocation?
Speaker 4:When I was four. I was the youngest in the family, so when I was four, all my siblings had gone to school and so my mom just had me and she thought, well, I'm going to go back to daily mass. When she grew up, she did daily mass and that was a real cornerstone to her spiritual life. So she started going back to mass. So when I was four, back in that day you didn't go to the communion rail unless you're actually receiving communion. So I'm sitting back in the pew watching the priest give out communion at the communion rail and and I still have the image of my mind seeing and thinking to myself that's what I want to do.
Speaker 4:So from that time on I thought I should be a priest. I mean, I did date and then, uh, was miserable the whole time. Uh, because of the fact that it was conflicting with this grace of a vocation. And so then, out of high school, I went into the seminary, the New Right Seminary initially, but it was so unorthodox I said I got to get a solid education, and so that's when I went to the University of San Francisco and studied under Father Fessio there, and then from there I went to get my degree in philosophy, my master's in philosophy, and then went back into the seminary and then got ordained for the fraternity eventually, and then they sent me on to get my PhD. So that's kind of the general way, and it's at a certain point, though, because I spent so much time in college, my parents were starting to wonder when is this guy going to actually do some work for a change? But although it's as I mentioned in the book, in the summer times I was working for my father and still doing that stuff.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that it wasn't that dissimilar of a childhood than I had and what it what?
Speaker 2:What struck me the most is because I mean, you're talking about a time period well before what the kids today are dealing with, right? There's no technology. You're talking about riding your bike to and from the shop and even the learning at the feet of your father, right? So I mean I remember being a kid and anytime my father had a project around the house sitting and observing him and watching him like becoming kind of like a jack of all trades, like my father knew how to do everything I'm talking he would take a cesspool in the back and run the washing machine just to the cesspool. He would I mean he, we had, I had eight siblings so we had to like chop the garage up into four different bedrooms to put all the kids in the different bedrooms and stuff. But I remember just watching at the feet of my father and really learning how to do almost all the skills I would need for life, and I'm I don't know if kids today have that same experience.
Speaker 4:No, I don't. Well, I think there's maybe a small handful that do, but I think generally they don't have that experience, and that's actually. That's that's why I mentioned you'd probably remember this in the book. I basically said look, if a guy hasn't learned how to use a set of tools by the time he's in his early 20s, it's over. You know, you're never going to get really, really good at it.
Speaker 4:To um, to you know, to actually learn mechanics. And then from there, um I think I mentioned it also in the book is that my brother and I would. We started kind of branching out and learning more about electronics and all sorts of stuff. And so, you know, now it's to the point where I've learned enough to where I've, you know, basically finished the inside of my own cabins and stuff like that. So just, you know, because you just part of it is too is as a mechanic you just can't. It's just brutal to pay someone for something that you already know how to do. So now that I'm so busy once in a while, I have to do that and it just I'm like Ooh you know, but even the things you were talking about, okay.
Speaker 2:So I always had a passion for figuring out how things work right, so like taking something apart and then putting it back together. And then some of the stories you told, like even when your brother's giving you a wedgie, how you told him that he was sinning by doing that. I know it sounds like that's like two disconnected things, but it's not, because I was always kind of like that where I wanted to take things apart, figure out how they work. But I also remember little things in my childhood making me contemplate the things of the faith, even the philosophical underpinnings of right and wrong. And it's interesting because I think most people think they have to come from a particular background, think they have to come from like a particular background, but really coming from a blue collar mechanic, it's still formed your mind to become like a deep thinker.
Speaker 4:You know, yeah, and I think that there's two parts to it is is that you know, it's one thing, like you said, to be able to take something apart and put it back together, but both being with my dad and my brother and at least in the electronic side, but being under my dad specifically is that he would teach me the conceptual stuff behind how this stuff worked, and so conceptually. But you know, by the time you're done, you've got a, you've got your mind wrapped around how this stuff works conceptually. Well, that logical, that conceptual framework. And then my dad was extremely logical as an individual, and so learning the logic skills from him and then just learning how to think, I mean obviously I learned it when I went into college and actually studied logic formally and things like that, but already the habits of thinking were already present, and so that made a huge difference in going forward, so that by the time I started studying philosophy and then theology, it was conceptually easy for me, actually because of the fact that I had been in the habit of learning how you, you know conceptually how things actually work.
Speaker 4:So when I studied philosophy, for example, when I studied, you know, the human faculties St Thomas understood them it was literally like a mechanics project start breaking it down into the various faculties, find out what they actually do so you can check, and then you find then, like a mechanic, you know how things fit together, what you know, how this part affects that part, and so then I was able to, you know, be able to fit all of it together and get a clear understanding of you know how psychologically we actually work.
Speaker 4:And the same thing is actually true in relationship to certain theological matters. You know that the churches I think that, especially today, because people are so eclectic in their theological thinking, they tend to be eclectic they got these bits and pieces, but nobody seems to see how this all fits together. You know, like, for example, how the in relationship to going through the three stages of the interior life well, how that actually relates to building a specific virtues in those stages, and then how that relates to prayer and how it relates to how the gifts of the Holy Spirit function during those times. People just don't seem to have that, whereas growing up I was given that foundation, both through the mechanics because, as I mentioned in the book, mechanics is a very logical process and so learning that how that works was key to my formation intellectually for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how did you go about putting the series together on communism and the demonic spirits? Because, like I, I couldn't believe how you put that all together and it was so well done that, even like an atheist, james lindsey was commenting on, like how, how well it matched up, like it. This is essentially what you were just describing, right like you're going through and putting these things together from from the taking things apart and putting them back together well you know.
Speaker 4:To be honest with you, I think it does actually go back to learning mechanics, because, as a mechanic, in a diagnosis, when you're trying to figure out what's wrong with the thing, what my father learned taught me to do is look for certain kinds of patterns. If there's this problem with with with the engine, you're going to get this kind of behavior out of the engine, if, if there's this kind of a thing you're going to get.
Speaker 4:So you start to learn, watch for patterns and then from there, once you learn the patterns and you can quickly go back to okay, this is what the root of the problem is. And so that I took into even being the work that I do as an exorcist. But then as an exorcist, I was just watching the psychological patterns and behavior that the demons were doing, you know, and reflecting on it, and that's one of the reasons I wrote this massive tome on it too. But just watching the patterns. And then I'm, at the same time, because of my philosophy degree, I was always kind of studying communism because we've, you know, in this country we're going through a rash of communistic you know influence. I started just noticing it's the exact same kinds of patterns If you strip the veneer of politics and diabolic influence from it, the patterns of thinking, the psychology, is the same.
Speaker 2:When does, when does? Well, if you're coming into this formation, you're starting to put things together that clearly aren't taught anymore. Like, are you to put things together that clearly aren't taught anymore? Like are you, are you going crazy looking at some of this stuff and saying what? Like just watching how the Catholic faith is actually taught in current society versus what you're learning? Like, how, how did you handle that? As you're figuring that stuff out?
Speaker 4:Well, I'll admit, I went through kind of phases where you just get really irritated by a lot of stuff you know, and even in the church you know, when there's just a basic lack of common sense and a lot, of, a lot of ways just not just in Cross that I did and seeing how that kind of lines out with the Thomistic psychology because John of the Cross openly says he's Thomistic in his foundation I saw how all that stuff kind of interacted. And one of the things I really connected with was St Thomas's discussion on the passions or emotions. And then he talks about how all the other arise out of the. All the other emotions arise out of the emotion of love, and so basically the reason you have anger is because something that you love is being impacted, or something like that. So, and what St John of the cross comes along later and says, this is, this is just an attachment, right. So I started going back to again it's the mechanics thing. Okay, I'm seeing this is the, this is the effect. I'm seeing what's the actual cause in the machinery. So then I started looking at, just realizing, well, if that's the case, then anytime I'm getting angry it means that there's something I love, which is another name for an attachment, there's something I'm attached to and so I have to start detaching from that.
Speaker 4:So even though I do, you know, do a lot of preaching and stuff like that in regard to the state of the church and things like that, I just realized I have to be detached even from the state of the church, that in the end, the only thing that we can ultimately have an attachment to is God. Everything else you have to be detached, you have to fight for it. It's like with our country. You have to fight your best for it, put everything you can in to make the best country possible, same as the church, but in the end you have to be able to be completely detached from it.
Speaker 4:My dissertation director, actually, when I was writing my dissertation, he said you know, writing a dissertation is a funny thing because you have to pour yourself entirely into the thing, but you also have to be detached enough to be able to walk completely away from it. And that was a formulation of something that I'd actually that I actually had learned, and I think that there was some level of that detachment even in relationship to my you know, just growing up to my father and my mom is just learning. You know if you're going to do the right thing. A lot of times you just got to put aside how you feel and just do the right thing.
Speaker 3:I've got a question for Father, if you don't mind, anthony. Yeah, go ahead. Father, you're a semi-contemplative Right. I've seen you cut logs with a chainsaw for six hours straight without taking a break. Clearly you're a man of fortitude. Growing up at the shop just early on did it build some of the habits of fortitude, and what kind of advice would you give anybody who's kind of more thoughtful lazy that wants to build fortitude moving forward?
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, my sister one time said to one of my brother-in-laws she says hey, look it, we grew up in a family that when you woke up your feet hit the ground running right, because my parents were very.
Speaker 4:Even though we were lower middle class, my parents were very excellence driven. You know, you can be poor, but it doesn't mean that you can't strive for excellence. But in the context of the and I think that kind of translated to working for my dad, seeing how hard he worked all the time and that he would only stop for just brief periods of time to kind of recoup and then he would go right back into it, gave me a sense of, okay, this is what a real man does, right? You? Just, you keep working and you don't stop and um, and so that, uh, I think the fortitude just came from the grind at the shop, because it's a grind, mechanical work is a grind. And so just realized, um, you know growing up that um, doesn't matter if it's a grind, doesn't matter how you feel, there's still something else you got to get done. And so that sense of duty and obligation kept me moving and developing that virtue, I think ryan grant told me, told me to ask you about holy duty and I know you're.
Speaker 4:You and ryan are pretty close, so oh yeah, well, so when I was actually up in cordell lane where he lives, I uh I decided to buy a. I had a truck, but it it was a half ton short bed and I'm like, because my entire adult life I only owned a car for three years, but I'm 60, so all the other time I've always owned a pickup truck and this, just this pickup truck just wasn't doing it for me. So I decided to buy a three quarter ton Dodge diesel and, um, when I bought it there was a just a little bit of. I managed to get it through a guy who had a, um, an auctioneer's license, and he got it for me at a really reasonable price. So, but it had a little bit of body damage. And so he, uh, I took it to the one of our parishioners and said, hey, can you just, you know, fix the tailgate?
Speaker 4:Cause? That was what was about it, and so part of it was heavy duty was broken on the back of it. So this guy knew a guy that could actually find those characters for to replace those. But he asked the guy hey, can you just, instead of heavy duty, can you give me an O and an L and then you just put holy duty on the back of it. So I had that truck until a year and a half ago when the drivetrain gave up the ghost and I'm just like A I don't have time to fix it and B I don't want to drop $7,000 into it. So I went and bought a new one.
Speaker 2:What were some of your favorite cars to work on?
Speaker 4:Probably my most favorite car that I ever did any work with with one of the guys was well, I did work on some camaros that were pretty kind of interesting, but probably the most interesting car was um. It was a 69 javelin now most people. It was a specific model that had a 390 high. It was a 300 horsepower engine in it. That guy would blow the doors off of guys who had 454s and everything. I mean it was just a beast, this thing and um. So that was probably the most favorite car that I ever remember. Uh, having anything to really do with um and a lot of my friends in high school would ask me to, you know, put new manifolds and carbs and cams and stuff like that and headers and that type of thing and which, which I would do for free. I wouldn't do that now for free, but then I, you know they were our friends, so I did it for free. So, um, so that was probably the most favorite car that I've ever worked on. Um.
Speaker 4:I worked on some pretty odd cars, cause we, we worked on everything, right, everything from small engines to light industrial and, as I mentioned in the book, we'd actually overhaul motors for people, but we would. They had to bring the engines in. We wouldn't pull them because that was too time consuming. We just rebuilt the motors and sent them home with them, um, but we would get once in a while. We'd get some of these really, really old cars, um, you know cars that you don't. I don't even think of some of those. I even see those hardly anymore. So that was it was the car stuff was actually pretty fun. Probably the thing I enjoyed the most, though, was the light industrial stuff, the wisconsin engines that we would rebuild, the four-cylinder engines that they would use on for water pumps or generators or on certain kind of platforms, and so that was kind of fun.
Speaker 4:There was a time when because I had gotten pretty good at working on Wisconsin engines a crane company had called us and they had one of these flatbeds where the back end also had a steering mechanism, but it was run by a Wisconsin engine, and they couldn't get it started. So I go out to in fact I mentioned it in the book Shop Talk I go out to the place where this thing is sitting and they're about to put one of these you know, 200 amp or whatever it is 200,000 volt transformers on this thing, but they have to be able to steer it and they couldn't steer it because this thing, the engine wasn't running, the to the um, to the site, and it's just, it's all this electrical stuff, and the guy just walks up to I might recount it in there, and he just says, he says, hey, I just want to let you know there's 47 000 volts walking through, so you know, don't be waving anything metal around. And then he kind of stops, he says and don't do anything stupid, you know. And so at that point I'm like I got you. You know, stuff like that it was um, you know, sometimes going out in the field was actually enjoyable too.
Speaker 2:I want to go back to the detachment from the situation in the church a little bit, because I kind of think we have in the church today, you have people who kind of fall dogmatically into their positions, into their positions and whether that's Francis is not the Pope, or Benedict didn't resign, or it's, you know, francis, it's like all these different dogmatic positions and they all seem to lean toward the trad camp. You know a lot of them do love the Latin mass. I mean, I kind of take the position where I don't know and I don't really care because it's not in my ability to change anything Like what can trads do to avoid falling into these dogmatic positions where they think anybody that attends this liturgy is, you know, part of us? It's just kind of crazy in the trad world and I don't know how to navigate it at times.
Speaker 4:Well, you know, there's certain theological questions that are extraordinarily complicated. So for me it's analogous to an engine, right? If I open up the hood of a car and I just see wires and hoses and all sorts of stuff that I don't even know. You know parts. I don't even know what they actually work on, but I'm going to start making declarations. I think if we take this off, this will work. You're going to end up with something that doesn't run.
Speaker 4:If you take that same analogy in relationship to theology, I notice a lot of the people that are weighing in, especially in the last two to three years, that are weighing in this stuff. They've never studied the authors, the historical authors in this area, and in order to do that, you have to know Latin, you have to be able to have a certain level of proficiency in philosophy and theology, because some of the distinctions are extraordinarily fine, but they're very clear. They're clear if you know the philosophy and you know the theology, but these people are just barging in and saying stuff and it's, it's, it's becoming a mess. You know one of the. I was just talking to some of the priests here yesterday. I said you know, I find it fascinating that you get these guys that are willing to wax quasi eloquently, or so they think on some theological topic that literally could impact their salvation, and yet they're going to proceed on speculation. I mean, that's just nutty to me. So when it comes to theology, there's certain areas I just avoid, even though I do know some of the basic arguments. I haven't spent the time to study that specific topic in depth throughout the course of the historical discussion of it and, by the way, a lot of these things were areas where theologians legitimately debated, right, and so you can't, people will just pick one thing and say that's it, this is what it is, and it's just because it fits them emotionally right, it's their attachment.
Speaker 4:They just don't want to, you know, like they just don't want to entertain the idea that the guy in white could say something ridiculous, right, they just don't want to entertain that, and so they just launch off into some conclusion that doesn't necessarily follow because of their emotional baggage, and so, and that's the, I think one of the real advantages of having grown up under my father is, you know, I mentioned that in one of those is that you have to put your emotions aside, how you feel, so that you can actually study this thing and know it properly. And in this case, it was to fix this thing, because what you think does not necessarily line out with the reality, and that's what I'm finding a lot with some of these people is that they're barging into areas and they don't even know the reality of what the tradition even was in the area.
Speaker 4:So that's the problem, and so, because I don't know it, I just kind of be detached from it. Part of it is, too, is my basic attitude is look at, I'm just going to live my Catholic life, I'm going to try and become holy and let God sort that other stuff out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, especially today, everybody thinks the church is such a and it is. Don't get me wrong, the church is such a and it is. Don't get me wrong, the church is a mess, but there is an aspect of it where we're not being persecuted. Nobody's stopping you from becoming holy. You have access to the sacraments. There's no government trying to you know put. It's not like we have priests and foxholes or whatever you know priest holes and things like that. So I mean, when I see people take certain positions, especially like the set of a contest position, and they're going into like the theories of what well, this guy was a Freemason and it's like I don't know, I think it's a dangerous thing to put forth a proposition where the outcome could lead to, you know, being separated from the church. I just wouldn't. I mean, look, I'm a construction worker, so I'm not. I just would never feel okay putting that kind of weight behind something I said, where somebody would leave the church or go to some chapel because of something I said.
Speaker 4:It just it's a thing that scares me, yeah that's yeah, that's true, because it's not that they're not only jeopardizing their own possible salvation, they're jeopardizing other people's and they're going to be responsible for it.
Speaker 3:I've got a question for you, father, if you don't mind. Looking back at the books that you've written the Magisterium one, the books on evolution, the psychology book, the Deliverer's Prayer when it comes to shop talk, the other books there's a direct, I guess, aim on who you're going towards and what you're talking about. What did you, who did you have in mind when you wrote this book? And that's a good question who is your target audience.
Speaker 4:You know, to be honest with you, my target audience was teenagers and guys under 25. Ok, that's, you know that this is. These are some basic the lessons that I talk about in here. These are basic things that you're going to need to know if a you're ever going to be a real man, but also if you're ever going to be able to think logically and actually function the way we were actually designed to function. So that was kind of my target, because, as I kind of mentioned, I think, in the beginning, is the fact that there's so many of these young kids that just um, and even Anthony had kind of mentioned they've, they have none of this, they have no exposure to it.
Speaker 4:Um and the uh, and you know the two things that um kind of come out here which I actually talked about in that conference on um, uh, on how to raise a man, the two principal ways we mature is through pain and through responsibility, and that's kind of the story behind all this. My dad would put me in charge of stuff, he would tell me that I had to get it done, et cetera. If I didn't do it right, okay, go back and straighten it out. There was none of this. Someone else is going to clean up my mess stuff. There was none of that.
Speaker 4:But then also just and just the grind of actually working. You know it's hard and you break your bust, your knuckles and stuff like that from time to time working, and that's just actually part of it and you just, you know, as long as it's just a mere flesh wound, you keep moving on Right and so and. But you don't see any of the kids have that, because there's enough. They're never put in responsible of anything because they're allowed to play and do whatever they want until they're 18. Then they go to college and they're still irresponsible.
Speaker 4:And then they get out they're still irresponsible and they're playing video games until 35. So they're still irresponsible. But then the other thing is too is they've never had to do anything that actually required them to build the fortitude which is, and actually the technical virtues, continents where, despite how you feel or despite the fact that it's physically uncomfortable or painful, you still kept doing it. And so that was. That was the you know, kind of the real lesson in the book. Shop talk is for one of the real lessons for me is this is this is how real men function basically.
Speaker 2:All right, guys, we're only doing another five minutes on YouTube and then we're going over to locals. So if you guys have questions, get them in Super Chat, because we're only going to go through Super Chats now. Ok, so Father Rob and I were scheduled to speak at a conference last weekend. There was some guy who went through some things I tweeted and he found me joking around with friends who call women broads, like I'm, like, oh, these broads, you know, uh or um, there was a couple of conversations where, um, you know, I'm I'm talking to young men on this show and, um, we was talking about the people of the old covenant. So, you know, we were trying to avoid YouTube censorship. So we called them Amish instead of Jewish. So this guy compiled all these things taken out of context and sent them to the conference and sent them to the bishop, and the bishop panicked and canceled us, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now what dawned on me was, with the message that they're sending with something like that is look, there's a whole generation of young men, because you're talking about targeting young men under 25, right, there's this whole generation of young men who talk a little bit different than the generations before them. They've seen the horrific damage feminism has wrought on the culture. They're kind of waking up to it. They're talking about Israel a little bit. I'm not talking about the guys who go nuts and like blame them forever. I'm I'm just saying like there's this whole generation of guys who are just starting to think differently than the older generations, who are kind of propagandized and stuff. And the message they sent by canceling us was like there's no place for you guys in this church. That's right. No, no, no, no. We're canceling you, so that's our target audience. Also, we're trying to let young men see like a masculine version of Catholicism, where I feel like the church is completely failing these young guys at this point.
Speaker 4:Yeah, actually it's kind of interesting because probably the reason that guy got you canceled is because he's woke or because he's soft. He's soft as a man, and that's what you tend to see. Canceled is because he's woke or because he's soft. He's soft as a man, and that's what you tend to see. In fact, I think I've even mentioned it to followers, and one of our threads is the fact that the biggest critics of me actually are guys 25 to 35, unmarried who have a masturbation and a porn problem.
Speaker 4:And this is but what's happening is is that these people there's there's two problems with this group of people.
Speaker 4:They're low information, they don't understand how this stuff works, but at the same time, they've got this drive to act like they're morally superior and need to go around correcting this stuff, and yet they don't have enough information or background to even really be entering into the discussions, not just about theological that I talk about, but even what it means to be a man. Because they're not really men, because if they're really men, I mean most guys. You know, when you grew up, men are just generally rougher characters, and so you just learn to grow or you learn to realize that that doesn't mean anything, that doesn't necessarily, but this is just a guy being a guy and so you just didn't pay that much attention to it. I grew up around some really rough characters growing up in wyoming and so you know, when I when I see like people used to complain about trump's tweets and that type of thing, and I'm like it's like yeah, that's what I grew up under, that doesn't mean anything. I just want to know what the guy's going to do, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm on a construction site. Right like the things I hear on the construction side, I like oh yeah, it's actually.
Speaker 4:I actually worked in the oil field for just a little while to make some extra money, and they're just some of the most vulgar people around, but they're just like, well, this is what guys do if they're not, you know, if they're not building virtue basically, but you don't pay that much attention to it. It.
Speaker 3:It's probably easier to being a man in Wyoming than California. I think it just comes, yeah. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4:I mean to give you an idea of what types of guys I grew up with. Just down the street from where we lived, there was this rancher who had a house there, but he actually had a ranch outside of Wyoming and he this. This is the types of guys I grew up. He was 250 pounds and not a single ounce of fat. This guy was, he was like six five, he was gargantuan and he was chewing his horse. The horse kicked him. He got up, decked the horse and broke his jaw. I mean, these are the types of guys I grew up around. So when you're, when you know, when you, when you hear these guys who you know that when they hear someone, someone just criticize someone else and they're just like acting like women, I'm just like I can't relate to that.
Speaker 2:I just just that just doesn't fit my experience All right, rob, let's do a couple of super chats, because we are taking father over to locals. Because I want to talk to father, I just want to ask him a little bit about the immigration letter letter Francis sent today. I want to ask him a little bit about AI and what his thoughts are, and then I do want to just get a quick glance of what he thinks of trump's first month.
Speaker 4:Like, I mean, these are things that I have to get to, so, um, I hope father's got a few more minutes than the hour he promised yeah, I should have a little bit more time, a little bit I mean I think the only reason I'm cutting you short is because our house, the uptake engine uptake motors on our furnaces are going out, so I got to get the numbers off and order them, but anyway, okay.
Speaker 2:All right. So we're going to do a couple of questions and then we're going to take father over to locals and we'll try and keep as long as possible. I know he's having fun. I think he'll stay a little longer, guys. Father Ripperger, can you share your view? Oh, this is what I was going ask. So, uh, your view on ufos and agi? I recently got into daniel o'connor's content and I'm reading his latest book with my mom. I mean, this is a big subject. I was going to ask on the other side, but do you think that there's a possibility that ai, uh, um, the and the alien thing, like they're talking about this closure? Do you think there's um and do you think there's any connection to the Antichrist with those topics? Or do you think we just have to kind of take these things as they come and figure them out? You know, moment by moment.
Speaker 4:Well, you know, it's kind of funny because we it's probably the same guy that got you canceled who was trying to get us canceled in the location we're at but we're actually I'm going to be giving a conference next month in um, wisconsin, on the very question of ufos and all of that, and basically in there, um, I based some of it on the book called alien intrusion, um, which is, I think it's, by gary bates is the name, is the guy's name, it's. It's extraordinarily well done and parsing out a lot of the things. So in there I'm basically going to show that there's actually a link between the promotion of UFOs and aliens and the evolutionary hypothesis, and so that's what the actual connection is and that this is one of the things that we're starting to see kind of arise even more. But then also there's other real philosophical and theological issues that go along with that, and so, okay, so I preface it with that.
Speaker 4:One of the things I'll be talking about in this conference is the fact that exorcists come across demons who portray themselves in what they call themselves greys, and they literally manifest looking exactly like these aliens that you see out there, and they claim that they're not demons, they're not angels, they're not humans. So there's kind of this intermediate, non-moral, they're not good or bad kind of thing and it's all a ruse. They're basically just demons doing that to get people to go down the rabbit holes, and there's been more than one exorcist that's actually had to deal with that. So does that have a connection to the antichrist? Maybe in the sense that the antichrist is going to be endowed with satan's intelligence and so he's gonna, or satan's gonna, basically he's going to be perfectly possessed. So it's going to be satan that's going to be operating through this guy, and so it'll be like an angelic intelligence. But it's the same, it's the same thing.
Speaker 4:And in fact, if you look at abduction cases, for example, if you strip away the veneer of that, it's an alien or a demon. It's actually the exact same patterns, which is the person loses bodily control, there is hyper focusing on the reproductive organs, there's all this stuff that actually goes. You know, it's all pretty much the same kind of stuff. You see, there's also been numerous documented cases where people were being, you know, adopted by aliens and they actually invoked Christ's name and then, boom, the demons disappeared, or the demons, the, the aliens disappeared. So it tells you something that that's actually there. Um, as far as the ai go goes is. Ai is like any other tool. It's extraordinarily powerful. It has the potential for doing enormous amount of good, but I think it's they're going to use it for a lot of evil, and I think people are using it already for a lot of evil look, these are, these are topics that are entire shows, right?
Speaker 2:So I mean, we could do two hours with you on aliens because, I mean, every generation before the, before the Enlightenment, had a place for non-human intelligences. It was the Enlightenment that brought this materials worldview that kind of said no, there's no such thing, as you know, it's just the material world. Now, all of a sudden, people are looking at aliens. We could do an entire show on that. We could do an entire show on AI. So we have to. We have to, yeah, the evolution I would talk to you about evolution all day, yeah.
Speaker 4:Which, by the way, if you ever, if you ever want to see probably the best discussion of evolution, it's called foundations restored, yes, by the colby center. It is just dynamite. They go through every facet of it.
Speaker 2:It's just fantastic, outstanding, and they have a video series also. So, yeah, definitely go and check that out if you guys haven't foundations restored. That was kind of like the beginning of my journey to getting out of an evolutionary mindset where, just like throwing off some of the ridiculous notions that of the way modern catholics think faith and science work together. So, all right, we'll do that topic another time because that's too much. But, um, what other super chats we got, rob? Okay, can't watch live, so question for later what is one virtue that Father would recommend to the average trad Catholic male to practice during Lent? That's a good one.
Speaker 4:Well, probably fortitude, just working on fortitude. By that I mean in the sense of taking on penances that actually require embracing the cross and embracing the pain. You know one of the things that it occurred to me recently. So, um, uh, I knew a guy that decided he wanted to do the fast, christ's fast. He wanted to go 40 days without eating. So he went to his doctor and the doctor says, yeah, you can do it, the main thing you have to watch for is your electric lights. And he gave him what to do. He went 41 and a half days without eating. And so I'm thinking to myself why is it that this guy really never fully developed the virtue of fasting in that? And the reason being is and this is where I think that this is the lesson of this the whole thing is because he still had an attachment to the food. He was thinking the whole time man, when I get done with this, I'm just going to crush a steak and I'm going to eat this and eat that.
Speaker 2:I'm so guilty of that Holy cow.
Speaker 4:It was actually an observing hymn book. This was important for me to realize is that we often don't grow, especially in relationship to things that are difficult, because of the fact that we're holding on to the attachment of the pleasure. We're going to get out of it later, rather than just letting go of the whole thing, embracing the pain to get it squirted out and be willing to walk away from it permanently, if that's so what God would desire, and so that's. I think that's the key thing. That is why most people don't advance. But in relationship to fortitude, it really boils down to you have to be willing to put aside your comfort and your pleasure to engage what is painful and difficult, and so your goal has to be the virtue of the perfection I'm gaining in this, not the comfort you're going to get to enjoy later man, that is such an amazing thing you just said, because every easter or every lent I lose 25 pounds when easter comes I cannot wait to engorge in the food, and by the time Pentecost comes I gain the whole 25 pounds.
Speaker 3:It's like a four-month fast. That's what it is. Well, yeah.
Speaker 4:And for me, you know, because I do exorcism work, I basically fast six days a week, during session weeks and even outside. If I'm home, I still do that. If I'm traveling it's a little more difficult. But I fast six days a week, which is basically only one meal a day, which is basically the old fast that they used to do in the early church. So I would follow, follow that. So during lentil, up it, up, up, up it just a little bit, and then when I come out the other end, you know it's good to fight feast, because jesuit said you can't fast, you can't, you can't fast. But on the other hand it's funny because once you have actually developed the virtue of fasting, when you feast you enjoy it. But then when you come out the other end of it, you're like, okay, I'm ready to go back to fasting yeah, oh man, that's such an interesting point.
Speaker 2:All right, we have any more super chats. Rob father is clearly a man's man. How does the church attract people like him to the priesthood in the current climate? And not just that, I'll add to that a young man that is discerning. Where does he go? Because I mean, I will say as a father of of uh, with a son, like if my son has a vocation, where do you send him?
Speaker 4:like it's very scary well, you know, even the traditional religious orders a lot of times are just packed with guys who are effeminate. They're just so. If you get a man's man, they don't like the guy, they get rid of him. So I mean, that's, that's, uh, one of the real um, difficulties, I think, the way that we have to, and it's funny, um, I, I can't remember. I think it's in this book actually, but if not, I failed to put it in, but my dad one time maybe I didn to put it in, but my dad one time maybe I didn't put it in.
Speaker 4:I was a subdeacon at the time and I was just about to be ordained to the diaconate. My dad and I are working. I'm on one bench and he's on the other and just out of the blue because I told you in the book, he's a master of one-liners and he would just say not just offer the sacrifice of the mass in a traditional manner. They have to be willing to sacrifice. You know their comfort, what they want, all of those things. They have to be willing to die to those things, and most guys aren't, and so and they're too soft. And part of the difficulty is is that most of the kids being raised today are so effeminate by the time they go into the seminary, it's, it's an uphill climb for them to actually master any kind of masculinity after that. You know, and so and so I think that that's I think we're in for. It's going to be rough, I think, in the church for a little while. It's going to be rough, I think, in the church for a little while, you know.
Speaker 4:As far as the seminaries go, though, I would just tell the guys, pick a traditional order and just you know, and you know what the virtues are that you're going to need to develop. You work on those and you work on it independently of what the other seminarians are doing, the culture in the seminary. You just focus on learning the faith, mastering your studies and getting those virtues developed so that when you come out the other end then you can be the type of priest. Now there's one thing and this is it goes back to this whole attachment issue. The one fundamental problem I see among all seminarians and you see it even among priests who are compromising right and left is they have too much of an attachment to their priesthood. So those seminarians are too attached to getting ordained and then, once they get ordained. They're too attached to their priesthood, and so they start compromising so they can continue functioning as a priest rather than being prudent and preaching what they need to preach, etc.
Speaker 2:So I that came up with our conference this weekend because it's like, okay, was the priest being prudent? I mean, it was one, literally one person complaining, right, and it was one person complaining. It wasn't some big media storm, it wasn't going to get any attention, it was just one person complaining. I'm not going to say the priest's name or anything. The guy seemed like a lovely man, he was at the conference. I didn't get a chance to talk to him. I was going to talk to him if I did get a chance and just ask him, like man, what, I understand the idea of fortitude and like picking your battles and stuff, but man, this was a nothing burger. Like I mean, it's like come on, man, put your foot down and just tell the guy that's emailing you like sir, we got your email, we don't care.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it tells you how effeminate they are and how much they're wedded to human respect. But the the other part of it is too is and this is part of the dynamic in a couple of places that I've been canceled is that what happens is the bishops are looking for an excuse to get you out of there. So anybody who complains they're going to do it. And this is one of the real problems. Actually in the priesthood today. The priests know that the minute someone complains, the bishop isn't going to do due diligence and find out what's going on and then, if it's true, back up the. You know, if what the priest has said was actually true or was right or what have you that they're going to back the priest up? Oh no, they'll. Just the minute there's a complaint they throw the priest under the bus because the bishops by and large are effeminate. You know we're dealing with the fallout.
Speaker 4:There's a document I don't know if you've ever read it. It was put out in 1960. It was sent to all the heads of the religious communities around the world by the Congregation for Religious out of the Vatican. It's called Institutio Religiosorum. There's a translation on the internet. You have got to read that document because it basically says three things One, stop ordaining the homosexuals, yeah, stop ordaining the pedophiles and stop ordaining the men who aren't chaste. This is in 1960, which means there was a preexisting problem with this, and that turned out to be, by the time they got this thing out, it was a dead letter because they had already gotten in. And so now you have all these guys who are effeminate, they're unchaste, they've got these issues, and so when you go into the modern priesthood, you're dealing with a lot of guys who are just really effeminate, and so when you want to actually be manly, they just can't take it um rob.
Speaker 2:Is there any other questions? Because I have to get bothered. We have three more that we gotta get. All right, let's go, let's go through them really quick this next one, father, might be one.
Speaker 1:You tell us you don't want to answer, but it's the biggest one, so we got to try okay.
Speaker 2:Question for father in 2025, can we conclude that lefebvre was a thousand percent right? Hindsight is 2010 and all also saint paul.
Speaker 4:Now, come on, he's not answering this no, he hasn't, but that doesn't mean anything, you know. As far as Archbishop Lefebvre, I mean, obviously he saw the problem. I mean, I think it's a legitimate question to discuss. Did he proceed correctly? It's true also that the Vatican couldn't be trusted. They were playing shenanigans, they were waiting for him to die. There was all this stuff going on. So I they were playing shenanigans, they were waiting for him to die, there was all this stuff going on. So I get all that, but I definitely think that he saw the problem. I don't know if you've heard this, but Benedict said that in the future, the one bishop that will be considered to be the most important in this time frame will be Lefebvre.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think Benedict was heartbroken over that situation. I think he tried to reconcile it. It really did break his heart. I mean, you can see, just by giving us the vote appropriate to have the Latin mass back and stuff, he really did want to heal that division there. So, all right, what else we got, rob? Okay, evening Father, could you quickly go over when? Come on, guys, are you kidding me? He gets a gift, one of the things. Listen.
Speaker 4:What is that? They know? I'm going to tell them the straight dope. Okay, in Pius XII, in the Conference to Midwives, basically makes the observation that you have to have grave cause for its use. Pius XI also mentioned it, if I'm not mistaken. The church had before said it's a licit form to use if you have sufficiently grave cause. And there's been times people come to me and say this is what we're dealing with, can we use NFP? And they did have one of those great four kinds of grave causes. I said, yeah, can, you can actually use it. But outside that context, um, the church um said it was forbidden, you had to have grave cause. So there it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just had connor gallagher on. The guy's got 16 kids and he said, look, we me and my wife spoke about it. He's the uh, he's the owner of tan. And uh, he said, look, my wife and I talked about it and it was like after every kid we said, okay, is your physical health okay, is your mental health okay, like there's no justified use to use it nfb. And they had 16 kids. I mean, look, it's a hard topic. I know people don't like to talk about it, but look, go ahead. No, I was gonna say the catholic teaching on birth control is what convinced me that the catholic church is the one true church, so mean it's one of those things where it's like.
Speaker 2:it's the only institution in the world that still proclaims that truth.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, to be quite frank with you, we wouldn't have virtually any discussion about whether, where, when NFP is listed, if one fundamental thing was in the minds of the Catholics, and that is that children are actually a good thing. Yeah, people don't believe that anymore. They think they're a burden, they think they're difficult. They can be burdensome and they can be difficult at times, but they're actually a good thing. In scripture, they keep there's this constant reference to them to be a blessing from God, and people today don't see it that way, and so that's why they're always looking for an out.
Speaker 2:What do you? Got one more, rob. Is that it okay? Does the fourth commandment bind on adults still under?
Speaker 4:the pain parents roof? If so, how strictly okay. So, uh, once the okay. So there's two different factors to this. For men who reach the age of majority, they're their own man. However, if they live under the roof of somebody because the father is still the head of that household, he gets to set the parameters. Okay, you're in age of majority, you want to live here. These are the rules you have to live by because he's the head of the household. So it shifts from him being their head as the father to he's the head of the household. So if you're going to live in the household, you got to abide by his legitimate rules. Okay, daughters are a little bit different, because daughters if you actually look at question 154, the Sukuna, sukuna and the Suma St Thomas says that the primary reason that fornication is immoral is not because it's a, it's a sin against temperance.
Speaker 4:He said the primary reason that it's immoral is a sin against justice, against the father's right to protect the honor of his daughter. That is the framework for understanding that, according to the natural law, when a woman reaches the age of 18, she's still under the headship of her father. So she's still bound by the fourth commandment to obey him until she marries, or until she marries, or until she enters under vows, and then the headship shifts to her husband and to this, and so, basically, the idea is that a woman was never to be without a head, and the reason for that was to protect her honor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, okay. I have to bring one more thing up, because one of the other arguments I got into with the same person that sent the emails was mutual submission. And my point was, if mutual submission of the spouses is a legitimate thing, that would mean that the bishops are to submit to the laity. And I think that's kind of the thesis of what has happened since the council. That's like a thesis of the problems is that the bishop submitted to the laity, and I think, like mutual submission is it, doesn't? It just kind of seems absurd to me to think that the husband and father is not the head of the home and the wife is subordinate to him well it's.
Speaker 4:It's actually part of divine revelation, it's actually part of the natural law, but it but it's divine revelation that states that women are to submit to their husbands. Now, the difficulty lies in this. So there's a part in St Paul in 1 Timothy where he talks about how there's to be there to submit to one another. But if you pay close attention to the context he's talking about in relationship to the conjugal act. So that means, and he says because the man's body is not his body but the wife and the wife's body is not his. So if there is a reasonable request to render the marital debt, they have a grave obligation. It's morally sinful not to submit it, not to uh to uh render the marital debt. That's where the mutual submission is.
Speaker 4:But the entire tradition of the church until John Paul II, which I'll talk about here in a minute, said that the mutual submission stopped there and that in the governance of the household the husband was the head of the household. So in the governance it's the husband and the father. In relationship to the conjugal act there's mutual submission Outside that context. There there's mutual submission. Outside that context there is no mutual knowledge.
Speaker 2:And it's absurd to think so.
Speaker 4:Right, yeah, it is I, you probably. I don't know if you've seen the we've. What a woman is.
Speaker 4:The final cut, yeah, yeah it the final cut is just about done, which is drastically different than the long trailer. In the long trailer it's drastically better than the long trailer. I think they've got a couple of things they've still got to clean up, but the rest of it is just and we go into that in depth in there that this is and it's not. Part of the problem was John Paul II muddied the waters because he said well, mutual submission doesn't pertain just to the conjugal act. Here's the problem. The problem is he said that during a Wednesday audience which, if you talk about the theological degrees of certitude or theological notes, it's at the bottom, the fact that this was part of divine revelation, the fact that this was taught completely in the entire history of the church, that the husband was the head of the household. That has infallible theological certitude. And what John Paul II said was and actually in the words of a good friend of mine who's extremely better known than I am he said that some future Pope's going to have to correct that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's going to be a bunch of muddied waters that I think are going to need to be clarified. I mean, I can talk to you on this topic all day too. So, all right, we're going over to the other side. Is there any other questions, rob, all right, we're good, we're going to the other side. I have to ask Father about a couple of things, especially about the letter Francis sent over today. Just because I want to, I have to address, I think, what the biggest issue with what Francis said is, and you know, it's not like it's heretical or anything like that, it's just problematic in that. All right, let's go over to the other side. We'll do it over there.
Speaker 2:Don't forget the book. Guys shop talk. Oh yes, absolutely shop talk with. Look it's. The link is in the description. This was um an awesome book, especially because it brought back memories of my child like if you were I know his target audience was 25 and under, but if you're a millennial or gen x especially, you are going to be brought back to your childhood, like we we did. I think he aimed it at those younger guys because that's something they're lacking, but what it will do for you if you're Gen X or millennial, is kind of bring you back to your childhood a little bit. It was really an amazing book, I like. Thank you so much for sending it to us, father, and thank you for this interview.
Speaker 2:Oh you're welcome. So yeah, guys, go buy that book. We're going to go over to the other side. I have to ask father about a couple of things over there. I hope he sticks with us for a few minutes, I can give you.
Speaker 4:I can give you 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:All right, we'll, we'll, we'll, push him.
Speaker 4:And then I got to get to my furnace.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's going to freeze to death. For the rest, of the day.
Speaker 4:If that motor craps out, we're in trouble.
Speaker 2:It's all right, join us over on Locals. Guys, we're heading over there now. All right, rob, cut us off. Okay, good, we're live only on Locals.
Speaker 2:Okay. So the way I look, I'm watching the two different sides go and one side's acting like this is the worst thing Francis has ever written. And then the Pope's planners are kind of saying, saying like there's absolutely nothing wrong with this. My, my issue with immigration, and especially opening other cultures into a Christian nation, are that you're? There's nothing more dangerous for young people especially, than to grow up in a multicultural situation like a, a, a diversity of religions and religious relativism. I remember myself as a kid growing up in that and going well, the Muslims think they have it, the Jews think they have it, the Christians think they have it, the Buddhists think they have it, maybe no one has it, and it leads to an atheist mindset. So for the church to be talking about having open borders and allowing Islam to come into our country to me just seems like it's going to be the thing that leads to the suicide of the West.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, Well, you know, if you actually look at. I mean, obviously the church has always said that a nation has a right to protect its borders, just by virtue to protect its sovereignty, and it doesn't mean that you would not have immigration, it just had to be done in a way that didn't impact the common good, because the heads of the government have an obligation to protect the common good, and this was always understood to be the case, and so you couldn't have that Now. In the medieval period, it was also understood, and even this might even I'd have to take a look at some of the, some of the documents written by Leo XIII and and in that timeframe, but you know, it was also understood that that a Christian nation, that if they were going to allow immigrants in it couldn't impact the integrity of the faith of the citizenry, because if it did, it was contrary to the common good and the state had an obligation to keep them out. And so this is uh, this was something that was always understood, always understood in the history of the church.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look, I mean, do you see, almost like a fetishization of the immigrant and the dignity of the ignorant, to the detriment of the citizen, going on right now, like it seems like, oh, we have to have the dignity of the poor and the migrant and it's to the detriment of the citizen.
Speaker 4:It seems like yeah, I mean, I think that I mean, obviously, they're human beings and they have to be treated with charity, but charity is in a different order than justice. Justice is, hey, you've got to follow the laws of the land that you walk into, right, and so, and part of that's also part of charity, I mean, you still, I mean you don't go around just shooting them willy-nilly. But, on the other hand, the fact is is that part of charity is the fulfillment of the order of justice as well, and so this would be actual part of it. The other part of it is, too, is and to be honest with you, anthony, I think that that's all just a ruse.
Speaker 4:I think that that's what they put out there in order to get us infiltrated by, or the country infiltrated, and not just the United States, it's Europe has a worse problem it's to flood them of non-Christians in order to dilute the actual culture, because communists know that the way that the first thing you have to do is you have to destroy the national identity of the group before you can impose communism, and so, and the one of the ways you do that is you flood them with this diversity, or you flood them with, um, uh, immigrants that don't fit into the culture, so that you divide the culture. And they, they, they, they know that that's what it is, and the communists openly talk about it in their own literature. So I'm not saying anything that's conspiracy theory or alleging that they have bad motives. No, they talk about this stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look, I mean, if you the the the thing with, like when you had the Spanish go into South America, right, they convert the Aztecs and the Mayans and they create this mestizo culture and they have a united cultus, right, like they're worshiping at the same altar, so they're able to form a culture. But when you start adding in African migrants that are practicing, uh, uh, I mean, whatever the heck, what is it? Uh, not buddhism?
Speaker 1:uh, like like actual witchcraft, some of these like there were stories in the like the haitian voodoo.
Speaker 2:Hey, yeah, the voodoo that, yeah, like we had a haitian voodoo going on in some of the uh, the parks and queens. And when you try to mix these cultures together, they talk about this multicultural democracy at the expense of any kind of United Nations like United Nations, united Nation, where we have a common cause, a common morality. They're trying to rip us apart at the seams.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they are. Somebody just did a study. They just published a study a little while ago and basically the study was on diversity Does it actually help a nation? And they concluded no, it actually causes the nation to deteriorate, Right?
Speaker 2:Does it ever feel like some of these things, like okay, so you'll get presented with a question, you'll say something, and it seems so common sense the answer, and people are acting like look, it's like somebody will come out and say there's only two genders and people go oh, my goodness, he's so base. It's like no, he said something so common sense and everybody's acting like he said, the most amazing thing ever oh yeah, I get that all the time.
Speaker 4:I became famous by just telling people what the saints say. 99% of what I say isn't new, it's just I've just dug it out of the tradition and say, hey, look at this, everyone thinks I'm a genius. People actually say, my father, you're a genius. Oh yeah, st Thomas is a genius, you know, and this is this is so. Yeah, this is this is so, yeah, and I think. But what that's a sign of is is that the people have been impacted psychologically so much from the brainwashing that has gone on that they're having that Then when they just hear the truth.
Speaker 2:They're like finally someone's saying the truth, right, ok, so OK, with Trump's first month, we're all. I mean it's kind of hard to not be ecstatic about some of the things we've seen, right, like he's. He's look, even the um, the Catholic NGO thing watching what's going on with USAID and breaking up CRS. I mean it's. It's a rough thing as Catholics to be rooting for that. But when you find out that USAID is actually, uh, actually using these NGOs to go and sow division in other countries so that they can stop populist movements, so that they can't have uprisings there and stuff, are you because there's no way to actually kill the deep state Like it's not like ending USAID is going to actually stop this stuff, it's going to just move the power back to the State Department and the deep state? Are you worried that we're kind of being bamboozled a little bit? Not bamboozled, but like lulled into complacency and like, oh, my goodness, this is so amazing, we got Trump in and everything's going to get fixed, but then we're kind of going to get hoodwinked?
Speaker 4:I don't know if we're going to get so much hoodwinked. I mean maybe we could, I mean who knows? I mean ultimately, but it might take. This is actually one of the reasons why I put out that prayer of the prayer post election, because basically the moral of the story is is we're not going to get out of this problem by Trump trying to clean up the mess? Yeah, we're going to get out of this problem by.
Speaker 4:Trump trying to clean up the mess. We're going to get out of this problem by praying our way out of it and God's going to give the grace so that there's a change. That's the only way we're going to get out of this mess. And so that was my biggest concern about the complacency it's a spiritual complacency is what's going to end up taking this down. You know whether Trump can, to what degree he can. He's never going to be able to fully clean it up. I agree with that, but I think he can do some serious damage in the process.
Speaker 4:But I I you know when I'm watching this. First of all, I was kind of surprised on how much he's done so quickly Me too, because I figured he would do this stuff, but I just didn't think it would be. And, by the way, I think the tactic is awesome. You know you, just, day after day after day, you just keep releasing stuff and you keep on. You just keep revealing the corruption and the rot, day after day, so that it keeps the the, the people that are pushing all this nonsense keeps them on their heels. They have to. You know they can't. And even I don't know if you've noticed this, but even when you get these protests going on, people are just like, yeah, we're so over that there's, but people aren't paying attention. But, that being said, I, we, I.
Speaker 2:I think it's an illusion to honestly believe that we there's a political solution to our problem yeah, yeah, I tell you, man, like because I want to be excited for the things happening in the country. It does feel like a bit of a reprieve. My I was terrified my son was getting sent off to war somewhere and I'm like, all right, maybe we can end this thing in Ukraine and stop all the death and fighting and stuff. I'm a little worried about the Israel stuff. The stuff in Gaza makes me a little nervous, but overall I'm like I want to be excited for the things that are happening. I'm just worried that I'm being naive.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm a little concerned about some of that stuff going on in the Middle East too, but I'm also probably the biggest red flag for me is the whole vaccine stuff. But, that being said, I think that the rest of what he's doing is what's needed to be done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we usually have another kid that is on the show with us and I just figured five guys would be way too much tonight, like I barely let for a while get a couple of questions and tonight yeah rob's been talking way too much.
Speaker 4:This is typical brother, typical thing is rob.
Speaker 2:Rob usually drops a few gems in. But I'm look, I mean, if this conversation happened a year ago I'd have been so nervous and excited, like it's like we, we knew you had a two-year wait list to even get you on, so we kind of didn't bother you about it. When, when enoch called me the other day and he's like I got you ripper girl, I literally almost jumped for joy.
Speaker 4:Um, okay, so my, our, reason you're not nervous is because you already dissed me, and so you know Nick is, Nick is his.
Speaker 2:He comes from, I think, nick Rob. Was it his father or grandfather? That was actually.
Speaker 1:I think it might've been his grandfather Cause his grandfather was the secretary of education right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was in, he was in government Right, and I think his grandfather was a Freemason and he said he said can you please just at least ask Father, can you speak to the phenomenon of the Freemason curse and the effects that it has upon families? What effects does it have upon kids who want to start families?
Speaker 4:So most Freemasons don't even know this, but as they're going through this, they're basically taking on a curse if they don't fulfill that level of Freemasonry, and these Freemasonic curses actually get passed from their children down to the third or fourth generation. This is a very consistent thing that we see. Some exorcists are saying, oh, there's no such thing, but we see it over and over and over again. And so the common things that you'll tend to see among Freemasons it's a very, very consistent pattern. You'll see divorce, infidelity, basically fornication, stuff like that, problems with temperance, like alcoholism and drug use. You'll also see consistently among Freemasonic families, specific health problems like miscarriage, asthma, very specific things.
Speaker 4:And so people will say these prayers that we put out and then it breaks and then they don't have this problem. So I always tell people if your ancestor is doing it, there's nothing you can do about what's happened in the past. All you can do is block it from being passed on. Now you can break the curse from being passed on. And so if you say those Freemasonic prayers, we tell people to say it three times. The first time you'll probably notice that it's hard to get through the prayers. Second time, a little bit better. The third, if you get all the way through it without any difficulties, then you know the curse has been broken. But you basically want to. The fathers want to make and the mothers want to say it for their children as well. If they've reached about 14 or older, we tell them say those prayers, have them say those prayers as well, because the main thing to do is to get it blocked so it doesn't continue passing on in the generations.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're going to let you go go, but um, look, you, you kind of are a figure in the trad movement where, um, when there's so such a lack of leadership in the hierarchy, like a lot of us gravitate to you. We love, love hearing, like, do you have any advice for those of us who are traditional and want to? Um, like we don't want to fall into those patterns I was speaking about earlier where we've become dogmatic and we kind of you get that? I heard you give a talk and you were talking about, like, the Gnosticism in the trad movement where they think they have this secret knowledge and stuff. Like is it is, how do you, what do you see as the future of the trad movement for for a lot of the younger guys that are joining, it.
Speaker 4:I think that the real future is you can't become focused on a particular individual or individuals like me or anybody else. The whole time that I've been teaching has been to try and get people, to get them to actually study the tradition. People have to start studying the tradition If the tradition is ever going to get off the ground and have a mainstay, especially intellectually. We can't be these low information Catholics. We can't be this.
Speaker 4:You know, I'm resting on my Baltimore catechism. You have got to be studying your faith, You've got to be reading, You've got to be studying and you've got to be learning these things. And so I think that the younger guys coming up are starting a little bit more studies. I'm also seeing more Thomism start to get off the ground, which is a really good thing. But I think that the real future in the trad movement is it's going to have to be intellectual in the sense of not that we're all a bunch of brainiacs, but people have to study their faith so that they know it well, and then that way they're going to be inoculated. When the bishops and and you know and the priests are saying things that are off, They'll actually know what the tradition says.
Speaker 2:Okay, and and finally, what? What do you think happens after Francis? Do you think we get Francis the second? Do you think we get Benedict the 17th? Do you think we get Leo the 14th? What, like what do you? What do you where? Where do you see things going? Do you believe God's intervention into that too? I don't know what you think.
Speaker 4:Well, the only way the church is going to get straight now is God's got to intervene Now. Whether it's going to be with the problem with even if you were to put in, say, like a pious the fifth or a pious the tenth in the papacy, the fact is is that the machinery under him is going to be disobedient. It's so dysfunctional at this stage. So I don't see it really getting cleaned up just with getting a good pope. It would help, especially those in the grassroots levels, to start pushing to get things straightened out in the church et cetera. It would give them a lot of confidence to start being more open and demanding of the bishops and relationships with this stuff. But so there's. So what about the Pope? Well, there's obviously three logical possibilities. The one is is that we could get? We could get a Pius X? God could give it to us. He might do that. I just don't see that happening unless Catholics get their act together right, Because you get the leader you deserve.
Speaker 4:The second is we could get a moderate, because they may just say you know, francis was a bit too over the top, let's just put a moderate in. The other option is that you could actually get somebody who's actually worse than Francis but is much more cunning and is much more damaging behind the scenes rather than being so overt about everything. So it could go either way. Which way it's going to go, I think, is ultimately determined by what God is going to do with us. I mean, I don't know, it's a good question.
Speaker 3:Father, if you were elected Pope tomorrow, what name would you pick?
Speaker 4:Probably Pius XIII. Yeah, perfect. I don't know if you saw this, but there's actually a guy that was a state of a contest who claimed he was the Pope and he took Pius XIII. So I might have to take Pius XIV, Jude.
Speaker 3:Law.
Speaker 2:Father, thank you so much for not having any scandals behind you. Honestly, it really is a time where I mean I'm not kidding when I tell you that the how to raise a man talk changed the trajectory of my life. I think that so many people in the comments tonight were saying things like Father, help me consecrate my life to Our Lady, things like that. Thank you so much for the work you do. I hope you come back on with us because I would love to discuss evolution. I would love to discuss how that's connected to some of the modern alien encounters, because I think if you have that mindset where life can evolve on earth, clearly you'll think it'll evolve on other planets yeah, that's exactly the thesis that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a very deep connection there and I think that it also leads to um, when you read the scriptures, about how, like the stars in heaven, um, like the, those were symbolic and, by you know, all these different things are kind of just taking our mind off the symbolic meaning of the heavens. So I would love to get you on just to talk about that, but I know you're busy tonight. You have to get to your furnace, so everybody, go out and buy Shop Talk, enoch. Thank you so much for getting us this interview. Father, thank you so much for your time tonight and we would love to do this again, hopefully.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well I for your time tonight, and we would love to do this again, hopefully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I'll agree to come back on, as long as rob doesn't talk so much next time. That's my fault, rob, I apologize. He's doing a lot of things behind the scenes, though.
Speaker 1:I promise you I get it yeah, he's marking time stamps and I'm just here to make sure anthony doesn't go off the rails there you go, that's the ticket.
Speaker 4:So you guys want to talk.
Speaker 3:They have a good marriage yes, please, yes, please this year, to make sure Anthony doesn't go off the rails. There you go.
Speaker 4:That's the ticket, so you guys want to talk to it. They have a good marriage. Yes, please, yes please. I'm the potent. Is part three set Philly at spirit extension Super bowl. It's one at Samper. Amen, amen. Thank you, gentlemen, and God bless you. Thank you.
