Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
Avoiding Babylon
Responding to the Peanut Galle....I mean Critics. Responding to the Critics. (Locals FULL Version)
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Access to the FULL show on audio!Have you ever wondered why criticizing modern Church leaders so often leads to accusations of disloyalty? Our latest episode dives deep into the fascinating paradox at the heart of Catholic identity: how the faithful can acknowledge the Church's human flaws while maintaining its divine mission.
When Anthony mentioned that post-conciliar popes seem "ashamed" to boldly proclaim certain Catholic teachings, it sparked a passionate debate about what it means to be loyal to the Church. We explore why some Catholics—particularly recent converts—struggle with any criticism of papal actions, while having no problem acknowledging the shortcomings of historical popes.
The conversation takes us through a rich tapestry of examples where recent popes have issued apologies for the Church's past, raising questions about whether this reflects genuine humility or a weakening of confidence in Catholic teaching. We examine the strange dynamic where Pope Alexander VI's scandalous behavior can be freely discussed, but questioning Pope Francis's statements triggers accusations of betraying the faith.
This tension extends beyond religion into our broader culture, as demonstrated by our analysis of a fitness influencer's groveling apology for honoring Hulk Hogan. Have we lost the ability to stand firm in our convictions when faced with backlash? Why is our society increasingly afraid to maintain principles in the face of criticism?
Throughout the episode, we also tackle the uncomfortable reality of modern relationships as seen through a viral video of a woman wanting to divorce her "perfect" husband, the questionable religious devotion of social media influencers at a Vatican Mass, provocative marketing campaigns playing with identity politics, and whether AI truly threatens blue-collar professions.
Join us for this thought-provoking conversation about faith, integrity, and the courage to speak truth in an age that prefers comfortable silence. Whether you're a cradle Catholic, a convert, or simply interested in how religious identity shapes perspective, you'll find something that challenges and enlightens.
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Let's begin, as we always do, with the sign of the cross, In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, amen. I am so glad to be back with you and speaking to you again as the CEO and Editor-in-Chief of LifeSite News. The past few weeks have been a roller coaster for all of us and especially for those of you who put your trust in LifeSite News. I'd like to take a few minutes to explain what's been happening, as much as I'm able to, without interfering with the internal investigation which is currently underway. To take a few minutes to explain what's been happening, as much as I'm able to, without interfering with the internal investigation which is currently underway. I am now fully reinstated as editor-in-chief of LifeSite News.
Speaker 2:You go with the king, you best not miss. What were they thinking? I called it. I'm just going to say I knew this was going to work out in John Henry's favor and he was going to come out on top of the whole fiasco.
Speaker 3:It might still be the end of life, though.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but you know, look, but I'm never negative. If you're going to take a head shot, you gotta hit. You can't. You can't go in, have cocks going up, we're gonna get rid of them. And then you just like, like when people see the backlash and reality hits. And then you get those same board members that tried to vote you out to flip their votes. Come on, guys, what are you thinking?
Speaker 3:we have a lot of pr related stuff to talk about today actually yeah, we certainly do so, john.
Speaker 2:Do so, john Henry, john Henry's back at LifeSite. He had his critics, but we have our critics and we also have Nicholas Cavazos back and maybe we'll do a little critiquing of Nicholas Cavazos too.
Speaker 4:Go for it, go for it, taffy man. Taffy's like really doing well with these edits.
Speaker 2:I'm very impressed speaking of taffy, if you guys do enjoy taffy's edits, if you go to the top of my twitter profile, I have a little tip thing there. Nobody ever tips me in there, ever, ever.
Speaker 3:But if you guys do enjoy, except for that time, you needed a camera for on three, but if you guys do enjoy Taffy's videos, yeah, except for that time you needed a camera for on-street Shut up.
Speaker 2:But if you guys do enjoy Taffy's videos and want to reward him in some way, if you guys leave a tip on my Twitter profile and leave it in there, whatever gets put in there I will give to Taffy. I'll show you guys screenshots. At the same time, I asked him if he could make a new intro video for a potential new show for on the channel. And he just straight up said no, I mean the guy is kind of busy. He does have a real job he goes, he goes.
Speaker 3:It's actually like outside of my abilities.
Speaker 2:I just make stupid ai edits of what you guys but I will say this his, his intro videos are much better than me having to search for something funny every week, and I do enjoy them. They're always topical to whatever we're discussing that day.
Speaker 3:Sometimes we can't show them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the other thing is we're like 15 subs away from 40,000.
Speaker 3:We're also only like 20 local subs away from 1,000.
Speaker 2:So we need two things tonight. We need you. If you are not subscribed, please subscribe on YouTube. Youtube, push us over the 40 000 mark. I mean it's kind of ridiculous that we're not the biggest channel in this space, because we're clearly the best show. I mean, we're obviously the best at this, uh, and if you guys are missing out on the locals portion, that's the best part of the show. So I don't know why. You guys, I have something in my eye. I don't know if it's my cats or what. I'm sorry, I'm just rubbing my eyes incessantly. Um, but yes, so if you guys can't help push us over 40 000 tonight, that would be nice and, uh, we got some things we're going to get into getting. But the thing is, um, having having a lot of subs hasn't really changed our channel much and our views are the same. What having the like the, the high subscriber count, does is afford you better opportunities for guests.
Speaker 3:Like we need at least 50 to get no.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure. Um so Apologize, guys, I don't know what's going on with my eye. Um so our last video that Rob and I put out was a 16-minute clip from our local version. It was the Jonathan. Oh my gosh, I might have to get Visine or something. This is really bad. I'm sorry. 16-minute clip from our Locals episode a few weeks back where we discussed how to operate under a corrupt hierarchy, and while discussing that, I had kind of thrown out a comment where I said all of the popes since the council seem to be ashamed of our Lord. Seem to be ashamed of our Lord. Now, what I meant by that was, since the council, there's been this reticence from the popes to present Catholic teaching the way it was taught before the council. There's this even the idea of ecumenism and showing how all religions are kind of on equal footing and we're all about dialogue. It's this shame of saying things like there's no salvation outside the church. You don't hear that anymore.
Speaker 3:It's like every time they were to actually say a teaching of the church, they always seem to feel the need to like, lead it, lead with almost like an apology, or lead with you know, uh, like some sort of conditional statement and not just state it now on top of rob found a bunch of statements of the post-conciliar popes apologizing for the pope's past, for the church's past behavior.
Speaker 2:You want to pull that up, rob?
Speaker 3:Sure, let me find it here.
Speaker 4:Anthony, are you allergic to cats?
Speaker 3:Yes, and I have two. Two, what happened?
Speaker 2:I don't usually touch them and I'm usually okay.
Speaker 3:I don't know what's going on with my eye.
Speaker 2:We all saw you get the one. When did you get the second? Yeah, kind of my wife. Yeah, I don't want to have that fight right now, kind of a general reluctance to scare moderns, absolutely. So. Now the people that watch our show, typically, especially our locals, kind of understand that there's nuance to our conversations. They all pretty much have similar takes that we do, um, and I'll do it on the molly, I'll do that, I'll try to make it as long as I can, and maybe we'll do that on the switch over to locals.
Speaker 3:I'll just have to deal with it, um, so yeah, so I have some of the so like, for instance, jp2 in the during the jilee of 2000,. He issued a broad apology for the sins of the church On March 12, 2000, during a day of pardon mass in St Peter's Basilica. He said we humbly ask forgiveness for the part that each of us, with his or her behaviors, has played in such evils, referencing the Crusades, thus contributing to the disrupting the face of the church. I don't know what I had to do with the Crusades a thousand years ago.
Speaker 3:Everything wrong, but if anything, I wish I'd had more to do with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but forget yeah.
Speaker 3:The fact is there's nothing to apologize for in the Crusades, the Inquisition no-transcript, without mentioning that the Inquisition was, at the time, considered the most just legal system in Europe. Um, let's see. In 19 and a 1998 document titled we remember, a reflection on the show, he expressed sorrow for Christian complicity and anti-Jewish sentiment and the church of silence during Nazi persecutions. Um he uh. During a visit to Yad Vashem in Israel in 2000, he said and the church's silence during Nazi persecutions. During a visit to Yad Vashem in Israel in 2000, he said I assure the Jewish people that the Catholic Church is deeply saddened by the hatred, acts of persecution and displays of anti-Semitism directed against the Jews by Christians at any time and any place. And then, in 92, he apologized for the galileo affair. Um, he called it a tragic mutual incomprehension, even though galileo, at the end of his life, basically said he was at fault and he apologized. Um, yeah, so that was just jp2 yeah, the next one is fine.
Speaker 2:That should have been apologized for. Um, forced conversion of indigenous peoples. I mean, look, we could go through these. It's a very long list. Then you have Pope Francis going to Canada and apologizing there for events that never even took place. There were no mass graves there, right? So this, this is what I was talking about Now. When we did that, people only heard the phrase the post-conciliar popes are ashamed of Christ and they can't grasp that. There might be something to what I'm saying, and some people in the comments were saying I need to repent and believe the gospel catholic. Who's? Uh, I think he's got. He's a guy from jersey, he's a. He's a truck driver who I've always like I, you know, I always thought he was, he was a nice guy, uh, he put out a video. It was very kind. Like I don't want anybody to think it like the way, you don't go after him or anything.
Speaker 2:No, not at all. No, no, like he went about it in with good intentions, but I think he mischaracterized what we said, and he and, and and there's something that I'm I'm noticing amongst a certain group of people, so why don't, why don't we play that clip, rob, and just kind of get into, um, get into what he has to say about it, and, and I'll try to, I'll try to make my point after watching him do you want to go wash your eye while I put this on screen? I think I'm all right.
Speaker 3:I mean, I might have to, it might have to come to that, but I think it is three minutes, so if you want me to stop at any point, let me know I really enjoyed myself.
Speaker 6:So some people just are negative. They just got to complain. And this is what I see with Anthony. He just and something went wrong. Something ain't the Holy Spirit gets a hold of this guy. He's going to be so on fire for the Lord and so on fire for his church. He'll be a great evangelist.
Speaker 3:What are you now, if you're not that His temperament?
Speaker 2:I mean it's a little bit of a slap in the face, but I'll let it go temperament.
Speaker 6:If you study, hypocrisy is for temperaments. His temperament is one that is generally optimistic, pollyanna.
Speaker 3:So for him to be so, except for the 90-day cycle. He's always on negative.
Speaker 6:I don't know like they got to him that. Somebody got to him either on youtube or you know, maybe. Maybe his dad was a negative guy, you know, I heard him say his dad, his mom, wore the pants in the family, which all right, you gotta pull us down real quick.
Speaker 2:No, I have to address that because sometimes, like I said, sometimes you say things and people don't actually hear what you're saying. They kind of just catch a glimpse of it. My father was a very masculine guy. My father was definitely the man of the house. What I've said is he left religion to my mom. So my dad taught all of his boys to be men, taught every one of us how to provide for our families, taught all of us how to work like everything you would expect. The natural virtues from a man my father gave us. All of the things I enjoyed doing in my life were given to me by my dad and I try to give those to my children as well. There's also other you know there's. I could I could list the natural virtues my dad had that he passed on to me all day. I just my issue with my dad was always that he left religion to be taught by my mom, and I think a lot of boomers did that. That's not just a my dad's thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, that whole generation. They kind of saw religion as a feminine, uh, endeavor. So that's kind of what I've said about my dad. So I do want to address that and we'll go back to it these are like that, so I don't know if that did it.
Speaker 6:You know I don't get personal, but now rob, his temperament should be negative. Temperament tends to be negative, but but his temperament would have strengths that the positive temperament wouldn't have. So he should be working on not being negative and being more positive. Anthony should be working on being more realistic and not pollyanna, but somehow he's become like the negative temperament. So it's kind of strange to me. I don't know what it is. It's like psycho analyzing, you guys.
Speaker 2:I suppose they're okay, I'll address that. Look, I don't even, I'm not even going to knock him because I think that's how he perceives it. The reality of it is that it was a two and a half hour show and this is just a 16 minute clip from the show.
Speaker 2:it's not that I'm and anthony was probably fed up with me being negative, so he was negative and it's uh, sometimes we play clips that lead to discussions and you don't know where the discussion is going to go and you're speaking off the top of your head and sometimes you don't say the thing you mean to say as clearly as you probably should, but you're just kind of flying off the hip. But but him, him saying that I'm not realistic I think is kind of silly, I think that's what I was being unrealistic about, but that's.
Speaker 3:That's a whole nother show.
Speaker 2:But I think in that clip we were being realistic is the thing it's. I think in that clip we were being realistic is the thing. Yeah, it's not a matter of being realistic.
Speaker 3:No, you're exactly right, and that's what upsets me. It's like why does it seem like we're not allowed to look at things in the church realistically? Why is it the second you do look at something realistically? You're castrated as being negative. Not everything in the church is positive, guys's just the reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah so why is it the second you? Recognize that I think I said that in the law of you don't know me, you don't know where I'm from um the.
Speaker 2:yeah right, rob, like the sometimes rob and I discuss the reality of the situation in the church. And the church is not always so rosy and perfect. It's very messy. I've been doing so my entire life. But you do no one any favors by selling them a false bill of goods. There is no need to gaslight or deceive people. Present the church as it is and the church as it is is a crucified man.
Speaker 3:I mean, that is the church is the body of Christ and there's there's a lot of wounds in the body of Christ in the body of christ, like one of the one of the great mysteries of the church, in my opinion, is how she can be at one time one of the most corrupt human institutions you know in history. In many cases, obviously there's many way worse, but like her, 2000 year history is has some pretty bad spots. Now it's not the inquisition, it's not the crusades, it's not the stuff the world wants you to think it is.
Speaker 2:But at the same time the church is also the spotless bride of christ and like, yeah, that's a mystery now I'll never understand that but now, now, for some reason, it's totally acceptable for us to say pope alexander the sixth was um, uh, he was a fornicator and he had mistresses and he had children out of wedlock. We could. We could talk about the pornography and we could say one of the popes toasted the devil while he was abusing children, boys. We could talk about that and that's totally fine because it's in the distant past. But for some reason, when you criticize any pope GP2 for kissing a Quran.
Speaker 2:That's now you doubt the Pope For kissing a Quran. That's now you. Now you doubt the church now. Now, that's it. You think the church is. That's it.
Speaker 2:You're doubting the gospel because, Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail. And if you criticize a post-conciliar Pope, you're saying the gates of hell prevailed and that, to me, is completely insane. It's preposterous, and I'm trying to understand the logic and I and look, so what I've, what I know, and I want to be very clear about this. I'm not saying all converts do this. What I'm saying is all people that do this tend to be converts. So, like, clearly, there's tons of converts who are going to see things the way I do.
Speaker 2:But the people who take this view tend to be converts where maybe they converted under Francis and he's the only pope they know. So if you're criticizing the pope that they come into the church under, I get that they want to defend that pope because it's they're trying to justify their reasoning for coming into the church at the same time, but saying that francis said some confusing things or saying francis, you know there were, there were very problematic statements he made, is not saying that the gates of hell prevailed. It's not saying that he's not the pope. It's not saying any of that. It's saying he made some very problematic statements here and we can address those I think a lot of it is also age.
Speaker 3:A lot of them not only are converts but they're also, you know, zoomers, or or they're just young in general, and I think for them, society like our, our nation, our society, our culture, our civilization, has failed this generation at almost every conceivable way, at every level, right. And to them, the church is the only thing they have to hold on to, it's the only thing keeping them from drowning. And I think there's this inherent fear that if she's not perfect, you know, then then she's going to fail them too, yeah, and then they'll have nothing. And I get that fear, I really do.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is all right. So I want to get back to it. I don't know if I played an, I don't know if I were screen recorded enough of the clip where he, where he, gets into it, but I want to show this real quick. So Protestants think Catholics worship the Pope and some of them still seem to think that after they convert. So there's this caricature from Protestants that Catholics worship the Pope. Then when those Protestants become Catholic, they think they're supposed to worship the Pope, you know, and it's not. It's strange because I probably held a very ultramontanous view before Francis and myself.
Speaker 2:I would have defended every single thing Benedict said. I would have defended every single thing JP2 said. But Francis kind of made me look at things a little bit differently and it was an eye-opening experience. And also it made me have to look at my view of the papacy and what it meant to me. And does this mean the gates of hell have prevailed? Or what does this mean about the church? And I've had to go back and see it through a typological lens and try to see how in ancient Israel there were tons of Israel's leaders who failed and did things wrong, and God still. They were still the chosen people. They were the people of god. They never ceased to be the people of god. Uh, convert here, and why don't you invite more converts?
Speaker 3:on your. Vast majority of our guests have been converts nick is a convert. Most of our friends are converts. Almost every, every good catholic I know is a convert. Like you married it. We're not missing that point, I'm yeah, my wife's a convert, like trust me, we have no, no hate or dislike for converts. They're, they're, they are yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm trying. I want to be.
Speaker 4:There are kind of the worst, though. I mean, let's be honest, like they are kind of the worst, because the real issue behind a lot of this is just daddy issues, like the reason that a lot of people especially that if they're like 15, 16, 17, they're converting I'm glad they're converting, right, I'm glad they're here, but they have messed up families and they expect the pope just to be this perfect saint, and the reality is is he still a man? And so it's just daddy issues okay, so to play devils.
Speaker 2:I know I'm open to any criticism of my opinions here too, but if you guys want to say, you guys don't have to worry about offending me. Um, to blade devil's advocate. The reason trads don't get an invite to to the table is due to the perception that we turn on everyone and each other. So I want to be very clear. I'm not turning on blue collar catholic here either.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to address his actual criticisms of me and in my experience, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, tre, do do that, but that's largely because we, even when we do nothing but go to our TLMs, go to the mass that we feel is best. Pray in Latin don't say the luminous mysteries Anytime. We just live as trads. There's someone out there saying that we're not being obedient, that we're not really Catholic, that we're basically Protestants that don't listen to the pope. So you know what?
Speaker 2:yeah, screw you guys, we are going to turn on you while simultaneously saying the protestants are brothers and sisters in christ right exactly yeah, sometimes it does feel like this group particularly shows more charity towards protestants than they do towards Catholics, and one of the one of the things I see is they will, they will treat set of a contest as if they are the scum of the earth and the and and they'll say they're Protestants when they're not. I mean, set of a contest are Catholics who think the Pope is not the Pope, Like that's, but they hold the Catholic faith and so to me, me they're just really annoying about it. They're very annoying don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:It's very annoying. They're one of the most annoying groups on the face of the earth, so I understand that, but they are catholic and you should have more in common with a set of a contest than you do with a protestant. I understand, um, a lot of them can be annoying with the novus ordo sect and stuff and all that stuff, but they are. They are some of the most cringe people in the world um, so, um, I let's get back to the video, because I want to.
Speaker 6:I want to point something else out in it don't get that sense that they're grifters like Marshall and John Henry Weston, like they're the real deal, like they love. You know they're Christians and they enjoy getting together, talking and they're saying what they believe. They're not lying to make money, they actually believe this. But they're wrong. They're wrong. And yesterday, you know, I didn't get to watch the whole video because, like Anthony, I work for a living and but in between stops I'll put on YouTube and listen. And he said this Anthony I think his name is said this and this is what I'm calling out brother, an open rebuke. He said all, all the post conciliar popes are ashamed of Jesus Christ. Brother, you need to repent of that. You need to repent of that. So you're saying Pope St John Paul II, pope Benedict, pope Francis and Pope Leo are ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 6:That's just wicked, bro. That needs to be repented. And I went back today to to uh, make sure I got the quote right and I've seen in the comments someone wrote this. I didn't listen to this part, but where is he filming, bro?
Speaker 4:I don't know looks like a goth hobby lobby quote seeds are not necessarily schismatic either.
Speaker 6:I guess he said that I love the paper.
Speaker 3:I guess you know receipts don't necessarily have to be paper, but I don't want I don't want to make this a tax on him or where he's coming from or anything like that.
Speaker 2:I don't want it to be. That Saying Senevicontis aren't schismatic. No, I don't know if I said that. I don't think I said that I don't know. I don't know what I would classify.
Speaker 3:I said that in the comments. Oh, you said that Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the other thing. You guys, if you do leave a comment on a YouTube video and it replies from the avoiding Babylon account it's typically Rob I will either put aunt after I do I forget sometimes, but I will write aunt after if it's me or I'll try to comment from my personal youtube account. So you know it's me.
Speaker 3:If it's robbed, has proper spelling and uh and punctuation, it's me. If it's snarky and kind of sounds like an a-hole, it's probably me. Um, otherwise it's it, the uh.
Speaker 2:The other thing everybody's criticizing his breathing. I will, I will, uh say this we are known to fly off the handle at somebody who criticizes us, so he might have been going into this a little bit nervous. Cut the guy a little bit of slack.
Speaker 4:He might have been going in like it's the most terrible I'm ever seeing a New Yorker talk about someone from New Jersey. Let's just set that out there.
Speaker 2:He's a fellow Yankee, so listen I mean I may not be crazy.
Speaker 3:You're telling me you're not a.
Speaker 2:Yankee. I may not be crazy about Jersey, but I like them better than you Southerners. I'll say that If there's no sentence structure, it's Anthony. So he ends up going and finding a few quotes from Pope Francis where Pope Francis says some good things about Jesus. Where Pope Francis says some good things about Jesus and this is kind of what we saw throughout the Francis papacy where in one breath Francis would say all religions are paths to God, and then in another he would say something about how Jesus is the only way to salvation, and they would ignore the confusing thing Francis said and overlook that and just find something good that he said. And that's kind of proving my point in that that's speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
Speaker 3:And you never said that all they were all ashamed of Jesus. You said that they acted ashamed of Jesus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and in some respect there is a shame, like a shame of presenting the teachings of our Lord to the world in a bold manner. That is because they are worried about risking offense. It's what I meant. I just meant the way they present teaching. It seems like they are more worried about offending men than saying the truth because God wants it. And that's just how everything has happened since the it and that's just how how everything has happened since the council. It's just how I see it. I don't know if I need to repent for that comment. It's not wicked. I don't think it's wicked. I think it's just an observation and it's also just an opinion.
Speaker 3:It's just an apprentice was saying good things about jesus, not our lord so true?
Speaker 2:um, so the yeah. The point is, this was a 16 minute clip from a two and a half hour show that we threw up as a clip. Uh, it was towards the end of the show. You could see in that clip rob's just like fed up and he's just tired. At that point I'm like, all right, rob.
Speaker 3:Well come on, everyone. Everyone seemed to like when I said why are we even talking about this?
Speaker 2:like well, yeah, it's two and a half hours in, guys, come on so I mean, you're going to get segments like that on this show where we play something and it leads to a discussion and I might say something a little bit dicey. That's just the way podcasting works and the other thing. So he came into the church 11 years ago. So he came into the church under Francis and at the end of his show he's like and you know, these guys don't really talk about how do you get saved? And I'm going to tell you guys how you get saved at the end of the show. Now I've said this a few times.
Speaker 3:Why do we need to? That's what the church.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've said this a few times already, but we are not an apostolate. Our goal is not to save souls.
Speaker 3:We're not digital missionaries.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this isn't a ministry. This is a couple of friends getting together talking. We happen to be Catholic. If God uses something we said that stirs someone's heart, that's beautiful and we're happy for that. But the goal of this show is not to save souls. It's just not our job to do that. It's the church's job to do that, and I think anybody that calls himself an apostolate should have some kind of a link to the church, their bishop, something like that. I don't think everybody that goes out and talks about scripture or the church is an apostolate or a missionary or a ministry.
Speaker 3:I mean, at some level, that's just being Catholic. Right, that's just what you should do as being Catholic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're just talking about things from a Catholic perspective. We don't have Catholic in the title of our show or anything like that, and we're very purposeful about that and we try to say it often so that people don't mistake what we do, for what Catholic Answers does, it's a very different thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm glad Don.
Speaker 7:I missed this comment.
Speaker 2:It's the church's job and we are church. I mean we do have women clips. If you guys want us to make fun of women, we're not going to get to that yet. So I did want to. I did want to just address that because it's it's, it's a, it's a very um, especially with the guys who just came into the church within the past 15 years or so or came in under Francis. They they take it very personally. If you criticize the popes and look, I when we just talked about this on Mac Asper show the other day like Rob and I, are cradle Catholics. We grew up going to the life teens and the ministry stuff and we in my home, growing up John Paul the second was a living saint stuff. And we in my home growing up John Paul the second was a living saint. There was no. I mean I would have defended when the priest crisis hit. I defended the good priest during that time. So for somebody that just came in the church to tell me that I've been tricked by the trance on.
Speaker 2:YouTube or something that's just not the case. I mean, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 3:I mean for those who came in under francis, like, on one hand, to me that that's crazy, like that. Well, not great, I mean like good job that you were able to to see through all the crap and still make it into the true church.
Speaker 3:But at the same time, the church you came into since 2013 or in the last 10 years, even post traditionalist custodians was in many ways a far better church than it was when I grew up, was growing up in the 90s yeah right, like the average liturgy in the 2010s, way better than the average liturgy in the 1990s and guess what? The average liturgy in the 2010s and even now in the 2020s, still pretty bad, no matter what you say but um, but yeah, you have to like you well, I just
Speaker 2:I just some crap it's just to to say that we, like I, was tricked by like guys like taylor, taylor Marshall or something. That's just. That's just not the case is that I? I went from I w, I grew up in a, in a church where the Pope was writing documents like Veritatis splendor and defending life and even, despite his faults, john Paul the second was very good on a lot of moral issues, especially on abortion, especially on uh, uh uh, just speaking out on the, the dignity of marriage, things like that.
Speaker 2:So to go from having a pope where you always had to defend the pope from the secular media to then all of a sudden having francis where you're now, the secular media is praising him because he's saying things that are contradicting what just the pope before him was saying, like this isn't even so much a post conciliar thing, it's just. That's the reality of the situation. Yes, I know sometimes the media would would like skew the things Francis said to make it sound worse than what he was really saying. It doesn't matter. A lot of the things he did led to scandal and and you have every right to be upset about that scandal as a Catholic.
Speaker 3:And in the fact that there was never, almost never, any clarification after the fact tells you all you need to know Really.
Speaker 4:No, exactly. If you think about it, when Pope Leo was elected, they uh, you see the people on the view. They're just like oh, we're so concerned that this Pope has said these, really, you know, derogatory, hateful statements about the homosexuals at x, y and z. We hope he's like pope francis. Point is, is it just? Even if pope francis, hypothetically, was as based as they were joking around that he was, he never, ever came out and gave the appearance to the, to the broader world? That was the thing you always had to just do, these gargantuan reinterpretations.
Speaker 4:Plus, have you guys noticed a lot of the guys who do this? They're all americans. If you go down to mexico, you'll find like priests with concubines all over the place. Like it's like like you go to mexico, you go to south america, it's like communist priests, priests with concubines. You go over to like europe. America is really blessed america, like for all of the issues Protestantism has. The one thing about America is that we're fairly liturgically trad, even with all the messed up parishes that are out there. When you leave young guys 17 year old and you go to Mexico and you're like, wow, the local priest is shacking up with several concubines and this is just like the normal thing down here, and there's all these folk, saints and stuff, you start to get a broader picture that the church is in real grave crisis and it's not just a bunch of angry trads online.
Speaker 2:Set up a contact. I love when you super chat, because I love taking your money. I just wish your comments were more engaging. They're just not funny.
Speaker 3:I wish I just understood what they were even saying.
Speaker 2:We all know went to Italy and saw the abs of Michelangelo's David and now he has unshakable faith. I don't even know what to make of that. He gets mad because he thinks I have set of a contest views but I still obey. I would be happy if you found.
Speaker 3:He's mad because we what's the saying? We get to bake the cake and eat it too, or something like that.
Speaker 2:I would just be happy if he found some set of a contest parish to go to Mass at. The guy doesn't go to Mass, I don't care. If you have the set of a contest views, but go to. You don't even receive the sacraments I don't want to. You have the set of a contest views, but like, go to go. Like you don't even receive the sacraments I don't want to hear from you.
Speaker 3:Why are we talking at you? Cause that way we don't have to talk with you.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, so we do have other things to get to. I have an interesting one that I thought is very generational that we could get. I will save that one. Actually, we'll save that one. Um, all right, why don't we play the uh, cardinal tagli clip? Because this is really interesting, let's play the cardinal tagli clip. The mass in the vatican. Yeah, the mass of the vatican. So now, this is the. This is the mass at the vatican, where all the influencers are, and Cardinal Tagli is leading all the influencers in their T-shirts and jeans. So, look, you're at the Vatican, you're there with a prince of the church.
Speaker 3:You're standing over St Peter's bones.
Speaker 2:And you're in jean shorts and a T-shirt. You're really not doing.
Speaker 3:All of us so--called influencers of a favorite guys, come on these are the influencers now?
Speaker 2:now I want you guys to pay attention to something cardinal tagli is leading them in the paternoster and everybody's freaking out. Look how trad this is. They're all raising their hands, they're all in the iran's position and none of them know the paternoster. It's very interesting. Like you're watching it, none of them actually know the Pater Noster. It's very interesting, like you're watching it, none of them actually know the Our Father in Latin. It's a very interesting video to watch, so go ahead, hit play. No one's.
Speaker 7:They're like what is this? What is this? What is this? What is this the?
Speaker 2:jazz hands there, bud. What is this? I'm sorry, I know this is mean, but what are they doing?
Speaker 3:You'd really think that someone who does so much karaoke would have a better voice. All right we can kill it.
Speaker 2:I mean, the thing is I do kind of feel bad making fun of them.
Speaker 4:Can you picture? This is where St Pius X once had mass. This is where St PiusV once had mass. Now we have Michael Loftin probably altar serving up there giving his advice. Can you imagine?
Speaker 3:how many heaters pies? The 10th would have had a rip after that mass like that the stress level just with two cigarettes today look at these
Speaker 2:kids in their jean shorts. What am I dealing with? Oh, we're so mean. I'm sorry, I don't know why we're so mean. Um, I do? I've had a headache for three days um, all right, then we got um, we got joey swole. No, then we got an hvac technician. And we also have woman says she wants her divorce, wants to divorce her perfect husband, because she can't find herself where you guys want to go, you go girl, let's go with the girl you want to do the woman?
Speaker 2:woman says she wants a divorce from her perfect husband because she can't find herself in a meeting I mean, I know their sense of direction is bad, but it's that bad they can't find themselves this is okay. Let's play this clip, because I want to talk about this I'm going to talk about this.
Speaker 7:We're going to do joey swole next.
Speaker 3:Okay, hold on.
Speaker 2:What a name joey swole it's yeah, that's because he swole from testosterone. But it's, it's an interesting thing to discuss because he's this juiced up, masculine guy and he's terrified to be a man. So that that's why I do one of the cause. It's not, it's, it's. It shows you what a LARP masculinity can actually be. But all right, we'll do this chick first, thank you. Thank you, janice, I think I'm just having fun.
Speaker 8:I don't know if I'm going to actually post this, because this is super vulnerable for me.
Speaker 3:Clearly, you did.
Speaker 8:But earlier this year I told my husband I wanted a divorce, and this would probably shock a lot of my friends and my family, because I hadn't told anybody.
Speaker 3:I'm guessing they probably weren't shocked actually.
Speaker 8:I walked myself through the logistics of where would I live, how would we spend the time with the kids, who gets the dog, all of those things, okay, had a full breakdown. I feel like I have been searching for something in my relationship that we don't have for the whole time we've been married, which has been 10 years. There is not a single thing about my husband, in and of himself, that I do not love. I want to be very clear about that. He is the most self-disciplined, loyal, hardworking, good person that you could meet on this planet.
Speaker 8:And that is probably the reason. That is the reason why I have not left okay. Our relationship and what my expectations are for my marriage and what they always happen are not met right, which I don't know if anybody's are. The reason that pushed me to even bring up divorce and talk about it was the fact that I feel like I don't. Nick, oh my gosh, I can't be myself with my husband and it's really confusing because I'm 32 years old. I am a mom of three. This might be the most insane comment ever.
Speaker 2:No we can't show it, we can't show it why.
Speaker 7:This needs to be culturally enriched in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4:So true, diversity is our strength. We love cultures. We love cultures. I mean, honestly, those were the stories I was hoping you guys were going to bring up tonight.
Speaker 3:those are the real interesting for the record, though, people, if you're not carrying a gun everywhere you go, I don't know what you're doing all right, so we, uh, we, we have to.
Speaker 2:We'll take a pause here and we'll discuss this woman for a second, because I've been studying this, this thing that's happening with women, a lot for a couple of years now and it's Dr, Abate over there.
Speaker 2:It's a level of evil right. This woman's. Like I have the perfect husband he just lays down, does everything I don't, there's nothing I don't love about him, but I want a divorce because I'm bored. I want a divorce because I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not getting what I want out of this relationship and I just I don't. Even he. He doesn't even know me, but like I don't know me, so I don't know how he could know me, because I don't know. Like this is an epidemic amongst women, that they get bored and they're watching whatever they're watching on the Internet. Then they get a group of girls around them who are yapping in her ear, telling her girl, he doesn't deserve you.
Speaker 3:You know what it is. That's just her eyes, man. All these women are on them and it literally dulls your brain to everything. Everything's boring because it, because it it, you know it brings up those lows that you know, the depression that you're depressed because you wait until you were 30 to get married and have kids and now you're all never mind, but anyways, it makes everything just boring it well, I think it's over simulation from from the internet, right?
Speaker 2:so if you're flipping through, like she's on tiktok, she's like now. Um, I see this with all women like, no matter how good their lives are, they're looking at other women on instagram and tiktok and and they're seeing these snapshots of people's lives when they're on these vacations and and none of it's real right.
Speaker 3:It's all fake, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, the girls who have the greatest Instagram lives are the most unhappy at home, typically so, but there's, there's, there. I'm not letting the husband off the hook on this, because he's allowed his wife to go down this road and she's talking to him about divorce and now he's begging her. Oh, how can we fix this? How can we fix this, Instead of just telling her shut up, shut up. You have three children. What are you even talking about Divorce? What's wrong with you? Like she needs to be told. No, this woman and that is what she's actually seeking she doesn't know herself because her husband hasn't helped her learn. You are a housewife and you are a mother, and this is actually your duty in life, and this is where you'll find your meaning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the whole idea of doing it like amicably and talking about how we're going to split everything. No, that husband needs to be like. I'll make sure your children know exactly how much of an evil witch you are If you do this, this.
Speaker 2:It's more than that, because she doesn't actually get divorced. At the end of the video, she asks people for advice on how to fix their relationship, but a lot of this lies in the husband. Yes, this woman's psychotic and evil, but the husband doesn't want to leave. But he's also not being a man. This is what I mean when I say women actually don't want a pushover guy that they could just tell what to do when he does whatever she wants. Like that's not a challenge for them. They don't like that. They're not there, They've and they need. And his.
Speaker 2:He's also not making her little things that she does. He doesn't notice them. He's probably off in his own little world doing his own thing. He tries to oh, I just try to try to make you happy. But, women I hear it over and over when I watch these stupid videos he didn't even notice me. I feel like I'm not even noticed. There comes a point where, men, you do have to kind of get your woman under control and, just like you, just can't let this happen. If you find her on the freaking internet wanderlusting at other people's lives on instagram, you have to tell her to get off the damn phone.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can't be scared of her emotions. That's one thing. You just can't be scared of your wife's emotions this too right.
Speaker 2:I can't look like why would women get on? The internet and and trash the affirmation like why are other women telling?
Speaker 3:her.
Speaker 4:She's doing the right thing affirmation ever heard of the t-app gents? Oh my gosh, oh that was this is obviously not.
Speaker 2:This is obviously not all women, but there is a, there's a. There's a significant segment of women that are struggling with the same thing. She is because, you see it all the time, these women are ruining perfectly good marriages with good men because they think it's going to be, the grass will be greener on the other side. And then they wind up getting divorced. They realize I got three kids, one because I think a lot of them get looked at at a store when they go somewhere and some guy checks them out. So they all of a sudden think they're going to have a ton of options before them when they get divorced. And then they get divorced and they realize nobody. Yeah, you'll get one night standed, but no guy wants to wife up a chick with three kids and an ex-husband Especially when that video is online, yeah, and you're trashing your man online like that.
Speaker 2:It's just such a such a strange time we live in that women have such an over-inflated view of themselves and they think it's going to be so much better on the other side. And then they wind up leaving and they realize and the husband actually does move on like the husband will go scoop a chick up because he this just happens, it just does. The woman files for divorce. She winds up in a rut in dating and she just gets one night stand and no guy wants to commit and then, all of a sudden, we'll find it did we lose rob?
Speaker 4:we lost ban, they banned, we lost rob. Okay, I thought it was my internet yeah, so the woman?
Speaker 2:will the woman will you know, she'll get one night stand it over and over. Meanwhile, the husband that she left really always just wanted a woman who was going to be there to you know, be a wife at the home. And he goes and marries another chick and he's totally happy because the next chick he marries isn't a selfish lunatic like she is. And then this woman winds up disgusted and upset because he moved on. So it's just. It's so nuts, our modern culture, man, I don't understand.
Speaker 4:Well, this is why all the girls they like make the video immediately after that, being like why didn't he fight for me harder? I don't know why he allowed me to divorce him, and it's just like look, you're insane, you're crazy lady, and that's just what it is I mean, honestly, the fact that we give, uh like these psycho women a platform goes to show you how like messed up our society is. Because if we were like a tribe or a village, right, we didn't have the internet. Will we be allowing all the emotional ladies in the village just to go run around and dictate culture for the tribe?
Speaker 2:no, the other women in the village would check her, though exactly it would. It's not really up to men to check these women. What happens is she's got a tiktok where she's got a bunch of women that follow her, and then, all of a sudden, this thing goes viral and the whole world sees it and she's like, oh, like she didn't think that would happen, you know. And now, all of a sudden, now her husband's gonna freaking see it and he's gonna be like are you insane? Matt walsh is reviewing this video on his freaking channel and I got my wife out there making me look like an idiot. Like it's just, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Man, you're really poor dude, yeah for the first time I threw rob off stream my sick p320 almost shot me by itself I'll do that, man, we'll do that all right, let's do joe.
Speaker 2:All right, we'll move off of the craziness of modern women. And, uh, let's do joey swole because all right. So joey swole, who is this guy? Joey swole is a fitness influencer now what he does is if people misbehave, so he's no, you'll see. So if people misbehave at the gym, where a lot of people film at the gym now, and you'll see people, especially women, will, uh, if they're filming and somebody walks in front of their camera, they'll. They'll be like can you believe how rude this person is? And he'll. He'll put them on blast and be like no, it is nobody's job to ensure your video goes well like. You're at the gym, you're in a public space, somebody doesn't, nobody cares that you're videoing. If they walk past your video, it's. You know who are you to complain? Some women have accused men of checking, checking them out when they weren't really. He'll call that out like. He's done a lot of good things in that respect. He tries to promote good gym culture.
Speaker 2:So now Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan died the other day and Joey Spaulds did like a, an homage to him and he dressed up as Hulk Hogan and, you know, did a little performance, dressed as Hulk Hogan, and the leftist came down hard on him, flipped out on him. How can you defend this? How can you give an homage to this guy? He was a racist and joey was like you know, you know uh, I don't, this is something that happened in his past and he apologized for it and he stood his ground at first, and then, all of a sudden, came this groveling apology. So let's listen to the apology okay, we have to first off.
Speaker 3:He's got little line shades in his eyebrows. He's definitely gay. Okay, we have to First off. He's got little line shades in his eyebrows, he's definitely gay.
Speaker 7:I owe my followers, my community and all of social media an apology. A few days ago I reposted an old video of me in the gym wearing a Hulk Hogan Halloween costume on the day that he passed. Last night in my live stream, a lot of people expressed how upset and frustrated they were with me that I had posted that. Instead of listening and understanding like I should have, I became defensive and said that I was posting to celebrate the wrestling icon.
Speaker 3:It's funny how obviously he is reading from a script. I think, most of his videos, he talks like this, though I mean you can see him looking at it though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he does this in most of his videos. This was definitely pre-written and very well planned out.
Speaker 7:A person that so many of us looked up to as kids that we grew up with, that made us tear our shirts and take our vitamins and say our prayers. I didn't know to the extent of all the horrible things that he had done. Since last night, I have done a lot of research, talked to people and learned all of the horrible, horrible things that that man has done, which is way more than just making a mistake and being human. So because of that, I have taken the videos down and I apologize to anybody that I offended. I am sorry. Also, during last night's live stream I used the word colored instead of saying person of color which is very oh you idiot.
Speaker 2:I forgot about that part. Yes, he did. Yeah, he said colored people instead of saying people of color. Oh, what an idiot People still do this.
Speaker 3:We live in a world where people think that that matters.
Speaker 2:Bro should have just dropped the N-word. At this point it's 2025. How are you even dealing with this apology, nonsense Getting yourself canceled in 2025?
Speaker 4:It's 2021. What is going on?
Speaker 3:Did you see that tweet today where I said, uh, I love that I can say anything on the podcast and like no one cares and they'll go after you instead? Yeah, but I, because?
Speaker 2:I. I'm such a big mouth that I someone replies Okay, prove it.
Speaker 3:Say the N word Okay.
Speaker 2:You got me. The thing is I've been accused of saying things that rob has said. That's what happened. So you may say something, but people assume I'm the face of the show and it came from my mouth. So I've had to like clarify. No, no, no, oh, bad cop said that one, I didn't say that one okay, you want to finish this up dated, dated, very offensive term.
Speaker 7:A few moments later, somebody educated me and told me that it wasn't okay to use that, which I immediately apologized to.
Speaker 3:Everyone said I'll never do that again.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please don't take my empire, please. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please, please, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Dude, this guy's taking soy supplements, clearly. What is he doing?
Speaker 2:I Dude this guy's taking soy supplements. Clearly, what is he doing? I don't know what have I said.
Speaker 4:Have I said sorry or the N-word.
Speaker 7:I immediately apologized after being educated Again. So once again, to anybody that I offended, I am sorry. You know. My whole page, my whole brand, is based on holding people accountable and doing better. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't hold myself to the same standards. I am human, I am still growing, I am still learning and I promise all of you I will do better. I have nothing but love and kindness in my heart. I will continue to try to make the world a better place and, once again, to everybody, and Howard is in your heart, my friend.
Speaker 2:I will continue to try to make the world a better place and our days in your heart, my friend. Okay, so leave it up, because I want to read that. All the good I've done, all the people I've helped, all for nothing when I need help, when I need kindness and empathy nothing. I truly hope all the people I've inspired to do great things in their life and pay it forward, to help others and carry on my message. But no matter how much good you do, no matter how many people you help, they just wait for a reason to hate you and tear you down. It's true, you either die a hero or live long enough to be the villain. Quoting batman he's wait. Thank you for your support. Please remember me and smile. I love you. All I am done.
Speaker 3:Quoting harvey dent first off second off bro, you're a gym influencer.
Speaker 4:You're not saving anyone you're not dying a hero being a gym maybe this guy can marry that egotistical lady, maybe he can marry that broad the, the actual point everyone should take from this is this guy is jacked out of his mind.
Speaker 2:I'm talking juice out of his face, huge, like probably 320 and muscle, but what, when it comes down to it, I don't, because I see a lot of uh, a lot of guys are very like harping a lot on you gotta get to the gym, you gotta go. Yeah, you do got to get to the gym, you got to get. Yeah, you do have to get to the gym. You do have to challenge yourself to do hard things, but when it comes down to it, that's not going to give you like fortitude in a situation like this. He should have just talked to his original statement.
Speaker 2:Where he came out, he said look, hulk Hogan made some mistakes in his past. He apologized, that's it. Leave it alone. You give an apology to people and they smell blood in the water and they come for you. So now, once you've apologized, all you've done is upset the other half of the people that would have stood by you if you just stuck to your original statement. So he managed to piss off everyone because the leftists will just keep coming for him, and now everybody on the right is going. You complete loser. Like, how do you do this? How do you just completely cave to pressure from leftists at this point?
Speaker 3:which apology was worse.
Speaker 2:As her voice of reason, I haven't seen reasons for voice of reasons was a non-apology yeah, it was a legal statement and the thing is, the voice of reason owed an apology. Yeah, jo, joey Swole didn't. That's the difference, right? There are situations where an apology is called for. Have you hurt someone, like genuinely hurt someone, not hurt someone's feelings, I mean, if you misuse your position, things like that. Like there are times when an apology is called for, but not when a bunch of leftists are coming for you. That's not the time to apologize, that's the time to double down and just go look. If you don't like me, I like you. If you guys don't like me for who I am, I don't know what to tell you. I liked Hulk Hogan growing up. I'm not endorsing everything the guy said except the N-word.
Speaker 7:That's the only part I endorse. I thought that would get a big win doors.
Speaker 4:I'm just surprised that people are still doing like the whipped white guy thing in 2025. It's just like, especially after like the last two months. It's like you have austin metcalf stabbed, you have the cincinnati riot and then you have like this whole nonsense with it with that actress who just makes the pun about like having good genes. Let's just be honest they hate white people.
Speaker 2:They just hate white people. It's not even.
Speaker 4:It is, don't get me wrong, no, he clearly hates them, though, because he's, just, like I accidentally said, colored person instead of person of color.
Speaker 1:Let me come out into the public square and flagellate my show.
Speaker 4:No, I know but he's clearly ashamed of being white. He's clearly ashamed of being white. He has no actual standing up for himself saying you know that's retarded, I'm not going to do that, but it's more weakness.
Speaker 3:White nationalist Nick, I'm here for it.
Speaker 4:All Nicks are alike, apparently. It's more weakness.
Speaker 2:You're half Mexican.
Speaker 4:I mean I do have a spanish last name, so I guess it's close enough. So yeah, cavazos, uh yeah there's an f in there somewhere, so yeah, I didn't mean to cut nick off.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I I'm, but I don't think. I don't think they hate white people. I think white he hates himself for being white, maybe, but he but it's leftists don't care your color, they care your, your politics first off, and they sense.
Speaker 4:Oh, they totally care they don't care about your color you, could you?
Speaker 3:could be anyone.
Speaker 4:You could be as white as mayonnaise and be flaming liberal, and they're still gonna hate your guts. Yeah, how it is? They'll still hate your guts they'll still hate your guts. That's, that's literally why. That's literally why, at the end of the day, like I mean, you know, if you have, hypothetically, in 2028, a white male who is going to potentially be like their dim nominee and like a woman of color, the woman of color every day.
Speaker 7:It's too black to notice this stuff.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not.
Speaker 2:He drinks at the colored fountain the real reason they went after joey is because hulk hogan spoke at trump's freaking rally like that's what it is. It's not that hulk hogan said the n-word.
Speaker 3:I mean to be fair if hogan hadn't done that, no one would even probably care yeah, yeah, no, I mean hulk hogan dies.
Speaker 2:You're gonna get something, but some. But the fact that he just spoke at trump's rally is what raised everybody's attention to bring back those 10 year old allegations of him dropping the n-word, things like that. So it's just it. This is more a political thing than it is about being white.
Speaker 4:It's just, you know they just I mean maybe for him, but like I mean for this joey guy. It's clearly he's just ashamed of being white on the record.
Speaker 3:I didn't know, don bongino was just italian either, bongino you know my mind. Well, yeah, yeah, okay. Now, once I said I'm like oh well, you know, you think, Dan Bongino is a black guy. While we're on the subject. Can we talk?
Speaker 2:about? Can we? Can we talk about the Sidney Sweeney ad without playing it? Because I don't want to discuss the insanity of the ad itself, where she's coming out and the whole ad is talking about you inherit a bunch of things from your parents your intelligence, your eye color, your skin color. It's in the jeans and she goes my jeans are blue Like dude it's an American, my jeans are good, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Or I have good jeans, good jeans or something like that, but, dude, look the level of trolling that American Eagle did with this ad, especially because the owner is Jewish Dude Sidney Sweeney. Probably is.
Speaker 4:Probably is too I mean, if the market's there.
Speaker 3:You know well, I was gonna take the w you know, surprised that it's like you don't know much about them, if you don't realize they're just gonna, if it's gonna, make a money you're gonna dude.
Speaker 2:Everybody's talking about it is. It is one of the most epic trolls I've ever seen, did you? Can you find the dunkin donuts ad, because that one we could play. No, let you find the Dunkin' Donuts ad, because that one we could play. Find the Dunkin' Donuts ad, because that one's actually funny.
Speaker 3:It's a good thing boomers no offense, any boomers in the audience. It's a good thing they're dying off in the next 15 years because they're not ready for what's coming.
Speaker 2:The next Holocaust movie?
Speaker 3:No, they really don't know, you know the Holocaust movie that's coming out, the, the next generation? No, they really don't know. You know the Holocaust movie that's coming out, the one after that's going to be a comedy and they're not ready for that.
Speaker 4:Honestly, it's probably true. What are?
Speaker 3:they looking for the.
Speaker 2:Dunkin' Donuts ad. Dunkin' Donuts came out with an ad to play off the American Eagle one and they did the same thing. It's a freaking white kid who was apparently this white kid was in a show and he's on. He's in hot water right now because he was like he said homophobic things and racist things. So like the kids already in trouble for saying things against, against you know whatever the LGBT stuff and saying racist things, and they put this kid in the Dunkin Donuts ad and he's again talking about his superior genetics as a white guy Dude, I am so here for these companies trolling the left right now. I think it's amazing and hilarious.
Speaker 3:White boy summer We'll see if this works. I've never tried to play an actual TikTok video on stream before.
Speaker 9:Look, I didn't ask to be the king of summer, it just kind of happened. This tan genetics just got my color analysis back. Guess what? Golden summer.
Speaker 1:Literally I can't help it every time I drink a duncan golden hour refresher, it's like the sun just finds me. So sipping these refreshers makes me the king of summer.
Speaker 2:Guilty as charged look, I want, I want the audio. It's white boy summer it's white boy summer we're. So I want the audio of the sydney sweeney ad, though like I don't want to play because whatever it's sydney sweeney and she's whatever. But let me find the only if you can find just the audio.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was like the only bad thing about that ad was just her being, like you know, sexualized, but the actual message was a dub.
Speaker 2:Alright, wait, I want to find it.
Speaker 7:Hold on boom, boom, boom. Man, this is, I'm not gonna find this. How about this? I can yeah, adrian.
Speaker 3:Or adrian says just hold your phone to the mic like the good old days those were the days that's what I'm going to do blasting novus ordo hymns as an intro from your phone.
Speaker 2:I need the one with the audio, though. Come on, you people. The thing is, what's really? Oh, here it is.
Speaker 3:Lofton, I just got a text message Lofton bless him all the creators at the Vatican.
Speaker 4:What could that actually be?
Speaker 3:that's real, oh man hold on, what is this? Is this for real? Oh no, he's just speaking. It looks like he's blessing people, though I've never seen Franco look more annoyed. Hold, hold on. We're going to share this because this is funny.
Speaker 4:What do you got, michael? I'm blessing the crowd, I got it.
Speaker 2:I got it. I got it. Just wait a second. All right, what are you playing here? What are you about to show us? I missed out.
Speaker 4:Good old Mikey Lofton's blessing people at the Vatican.
Speaker 3:I just got a photo texted to me Give me a second, we get it. You know what else.
Speaker 2:I found out. What about Franco?
Speaker 3:Look at this, look at the look on.
Speaker 4:Hi guys, the reason I'm here is that I trashed everybody.
Speaker 3:that was my best friend I got look, my name is michael often, and I'm look, he played the long game.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna knock him. The guy played the long game. He's now at the vatican all that stuff we we thought he was losing his mind about. The Muslims are going to get to heaven from the virtue of their own religion, not even saying from invincible ignorance. He was basically saying the good things in the Muslim religion can save Muslims. He was saying that and that got him an invite to the Vatican. These sickos in the Vatican believe that. So yeah, frank goes on with the music video, but Franco is Matt Fred's clip editor now and he's been throwing a couple of shots at me and Matt Fred's Instagram videos Me and me and Tim Gordon. But all right, let's play the Sydney Sweeney audio Ready.
Speaker 5:Jeans are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair color, personality and even eye color. My jeans are blue, Cindy Sweeney has very jeans.
Speaker 3:Is it just me, or does she sound a little lacking in certain areas of genes?
Speaker 2:genes are passed down from parents. She's just an airhead.
Speaker 2:I don't know if she's playing a role of an airhead she's slow. She sounds like she's slow genes are passed down from parents and she really does seem slow, but listen to what she's slow, that's. Yeah, jeans are passed down from parents and she, like she, really does seem slow, but listen to what she's saying jeans are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like her color, personality and even eye color. My jeans are blue, probably they put this blonde hair, blue eyed bombshell up talking about genetics and how genes are inherited.
Speaker 4:The thing is it's cool to be white again. That's just the thing. That's like American Eagle from the 90s. I mean, if you're a businessman and you actually have connections to Twitter, like're a retarded. If you're not like playing the long game and realizing, like, what the market needs to be for gen z. That's what I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:This is a genius ad campaign. Genius, genius, ad genius because they said something they could have plausible deniability about, but they knew it would trigger everybody. Everybody's talking about it. It's just the thing is like, don't mistake with this, like we all have to. Like sydney sweeney's a hoe, like I mean she's, she's a filthy, dirty woman. Like I'm not gonna fall into the, the new conservative right.
Speaker 3:Like it's not based no, it's not not at all the.
Speaker 2:The ad campaign is hilarious, don't get me wrong, but I don't. I'm so sick of conservatives and their and and the conservative influencer calendar and they and they bring up these trad women like you're all disgusting. You're all disgusting. There's nothing conservative about any of this, but what a genius troll to have this blonde hair, blue-ed white chick get on and start talking about genetics. They're getting media coverage. It was a very smart ad campaign and whoever came up with it very very smart.
Speaker 3:The Abadi School of Marketing. The Abadi School of Public Relations I'm a. The Abadi School of Wallet Tricks.
Speaker 2:The Abadi School of Flag Selling. If Louis Swole had consulted me, everything would be fine right now.
Speaker 3:He'd still be Jay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but nobody would know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Anthony's like I am.
Speaker 3:If he wants to fix that he's got to go to Milo.
Speaker 2:He could still be in the closet if he would have consulted me first. American Eagle what did Bobby say? American Eagle can make the exact ad milo. He could still be in the closet if he would have consulted me first. Um, american eagle. Or bobby say, american eagle can make the exact ad with a black celebrity and double down on the attention while denying the implications. No, but they shouldn't. They should get an even hotter blonde hair, blue-eyed girl and double down on it, because that's just where we are german accent um, yeah, we'll do.
Speaker 2:We'll do the franco matt frad drama over on locals. We'll do the Franco-Matt Fradd drama over on Locals. We have other stuff for Locals too, let me just see. I do want to discuss the AI thing, the HVAC technician saying how AI is coming for blue collar jobs. That's not happening and I have reasons for thinking that. And we also have Father Martins was cleared. Um, we also have, uh, what else we got?
Speaker 2:oh, I don't know if we can do that, sorry I don't know if I can even oh yeah, I know, yeah, I don't know if oh, you know what I want to do, especially this. I have this. Play it for a second. It might be the ages, but something should transcend. Sorry guys, apologize. What am I playing? The last Right above the, it was the second to last thing I sent. It might be the ages, but something should transcend. I want to see if you two get this on screen and I want to watch how quickly the chat gets, because all my millennials are going to get this one. But I get it that you're not going to get it.
Speaker 7:I'm not going to get it.
Speaker 2:No chance, nick is getting it. And the second I heard this I was like how did? How did? How did none of these people know this? How did none of these people know this? And I want to talk about it from a generational standpoint because it's something so unique about what's happening in today that's different from previous generations.
Speaker 6:Okay, rachel, what did DMX? Want you to do after you stopped and dropped. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Brian what did DMX want you to do after you stopped and dropped Pause it, Nick. What did DMX want you to do?
Speaker 3:What did DMX want you to do after he said to stop drop? Is it wrong? I?
Speaker 2:got one right. This is trivia time. How do you people not know this? Stop drop, shut them down, open up shop. How do you guys not know this?
Speaker 4:Because we're white? No, it's not because you're white. Literally every white kid growing up in the early how do you cast that Because we're white?
Speaker 2:That's why no, it's not because you're white. I was not a winger. Listen to me. There's plenty, literally every white kid growing up in the early 2000s should know this. No, no, well, yeah, are all these people black? Are all these people black Spiritually?
Speaker 3:yes, no.
Speaker 7:Internally yes. Internally yes.
Speaker 2:Look, look, there's something interesting that's happening now, because when I was growing up, I knew music from my father's era. I knew music from my older brother's era. I knew music that was current, like it wasn't like, like I knew ozzy osbourne, I knew um, uh, like I'm growing up in that era and I know music from the 80s, the 70s, 80s, 90s. There's not, and I think today kids don't listen to the radio anymore and that's why.
Speaker 2:So they get into their ipod playlists or whatever the hell they're listening ipod, ipod yeah, ipod their iphone okay grandpa boomer, you go back now they're getting into their playlist on Spotify or Apple Music or whatever the hell they're listening to, and they don't discover older music from past generations.
Speaker 3:I was mad.
Speaker 2:I don't care if that's what you played or listened to. You didn't go to parties as a kid. You didn't go out anywhere.
Speaker 3:I didn't have my first beer until after something like that. I didn't have my first beer until after I graduated I didn't have my first beer till.
Speaker 2:I was 22 song was played everywhere. Everywhere that song was played, I mean I, I don't know, I mean, I guess I was a, I was a wigger on long island I did listen to a lot of hip-hop, but that song should have trans. I mean, that was a top hit on Z 100 in New York. I mean, it's not. It wasn't some.
Speaker 3:I don't live in New.
Speaker 2:York. I don't know Rap songs, yeah. So, rob, did you guys have high school parties?
Speaker 3:Probably.
Speaker 2:You didn't go to them.
Speaker 4:In theory, yes.
Speaker 3:I hung out with friends.
Speaker 2:But you guys didn't have parties where all the kids from school would just go and go to somebody's house and you'd have a keg in the backyard. The parents were away and stuff that wasn't your upbringing.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:No. Bro, we would have ke peg parties in the woods.
Speaker 3:You live on Long.
Speaker 2:Island. Where the hell is there woods Plenty?
Speaker 4:When I was a kid, there was a lot, there was a half acre.
Speaker 2:In the backyard there was a lot when I was a kid. Now there's not so many. Now there's all housing built on them and stuff. But when I was a kid there was tons of woods. We had one where we would ride our dirt bikes. We had another place called the mall trails they were like all these different areas by the time I was in high school.
Speaker 3:You people, your half of the generation, screwed up so bad. We're like our parents. They were so scared of getting sued if something went bad you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like, yeah, dude, it's the total opposite. Now, what do you mean? It's the total opposite now. You remember we were talking the other day about how uh, I was telling you about my wife has this mother this mother that she knows that she buys beer for the kid like she? Like she's worried the kid is gay, so she's buying beer for the kid, hoping that he'll slip up and have sex with the girl that he's hanging out with. Like that's actually what's going on well, these, these.
Speaker 3:There's no parties now be nonsense isolate. I don't maybe, maybe where you are. I'm telling you, I'm everyone's saying that, like I see it, online, people will talk about house parties back in the day and kids these days have no idea what the hell they're talking about okay, so maybe it's a long island thing.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's a long island thing. On long island, there are parents who are letting their kids have parties and the parents are supplying the beer yeah, see, I think it.
Speaker 3:I think most of the country parties just don't exist man, this is maybe a uniquely long island thing. I mean, I even saw that in college, from like when I was in college to when younger people I knew went to college like college parties even dropped off.
Speaker 4:Yeah, college parties have really died down I don't know this is so.
Speaker 2:This is a uniquely long island thing. When I, when I tell you the parents, especially the mothers, want to maybe it's an east coast thing like the parent, the mothers specifically are trying to relive and feel like they thing. Like the parent, the mothers specifically are trying to relive and feel like they're young still. So the mothers all got plastic surgery. They all dress. The mothers will be in their 40s dressing like they're in their 20s and having parties at their house to try and still be young and hip and let their daughters have these fun experiences and have their sons be uh, you know, have these. They want to be the cool parents. I'm telling you it's a bizarre thing that I'm seeing on long Island and I see it with, like my, my, my siblings, kids, friends and stuff. It's a really strange phenomenon.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know. I mean when I was, when I was in college and on the rugby team, we'd have I think our record was a four keg party. Usually it was three kegs per party. But like then, then, like within the 10 years after that, any you know college party I was at was not near.
Speaker 2:Not near like that, that's for sure All right, let's go over to the other side, cause I'll tell some personal stories. Like I have my daughter's graduation party Saturday, I'll tell. I'll tell some. I'll tell some stuff. Um, why'd you put that up?
Speaker 3:what I didn't put anything up yeah, you did. You were showing your private messages no, it's just from you and cunningham all right, I didn't know if you didn't want that out, though all right, but yeah, so we're going over to locals, uh, we're going to talk.
Speaker 2:Uh, I got some. I got some updates on my kids, what my kids are doing, uh, I found I found something very good for my daughter. So anybody that's got daughters, um, I'll tell you what my daughter is doing. My daughter is 17. She graduated high school and we were trying to figure out what she was going to do in the interim between meeting somebody for marriage and things like that. I got an update for that. I got, um, uh, my son too.
Speaker 2:Uh, cause the whole goal is don't get buried in college debt, find a career or find uh for my daughter it was more find something to keep you working without getting into any kind of college debt, and then maybe, if you're ever in a situation where you need to help your husband, you could have this as a bit of a side gig that you could do from home, something like that. So that's what we worked on with my daughter and we think we found something very good for her. Then we also have the Father Martin story and I want to do the AI story. So, head over to Locals. If you guys are not over there, you're missing out. That's where we have the most fun. We can say things that are even worse than what we said on YouTube tonight, and we said a lot of crazy things on YouTube. Did we say anything bad?
Speaker 3:I mentioned a colored fountain at one point.
Speaker 2:Oh, we'll also tell you guys how. Nick told us he couldn't reveal something to us, but Tim F flanders revealed it to all of his friends all of his. He didn't even really though, yeah, yeah I get it. No, no I. When I want to find out what nick's up to, I have to hear it from tim flanders. Nick won't tell me himself. That's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 4:I don't talk to, to colored people anymore all right, let's go to locals.
Speaker 2:Oh, I am clipping that.
Speaker 3:Okay, I hope you don't run for office boy, the best way to contact anthony for a speak engagement is by calling at 3 am. The phone number hold on, let me pull it up here. Uh, just shoot me an email at team at avoiding babyloncom it's online speaking engagement.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know if I could do that. I don't know, I don't know. I'll try. I'll see what I can whip up for you guys. All right, we're going up to locals.
Speaker 3:Take us out, rob how do I do this? It's been a while download load.
Speaker 2:Steve's asking download locals and do what um? So download locals and just go to uhals slash Avoiding Babylon right.
Speaker 3:AvoidingBabylonLocalscom. If you're in the live chat, I put the link in the. Let me pin the link. Hold on a second.
Speaker 2:Locals is fun. How are you guys not Locals members If?
Speaker 3:you're in the live chat, click on the link I pinned at the top. It will take you to Locals. You'll be able to watch until I switch it over to private and then you'll have to actually join our Locals, which is $5 a month, or what is it? $40?.
Speaker 2:Oh, just get it. He's got the link. Don't worry about it, you'll figure that out. We're also nine subscribers away from 40,000. If you guys are not subscribed, hit subscribe.
Speaker 3:You can join for one show. Even Anthony will call you a cheapskate.
Speaker 2:Share the show. You can do a single view on Locals for $4 or $3 or something. Take us out.
Speaker 3:I'm going to do this just the crappy way. Give me a second these are always awkward well, it's because it did. You have to do it one at a time. I can't just cut a stream just peters out x. Now just peters out yeah, here goes anthony's ex, his twitter, I mean um rumble.
Speaker 2:Nobody watches on, so it doesn't really matter yeah.
Speaker 3:Rumble's gone.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're on locals All right wait, let me pull up the locals chat too.
Speaker 7:Oh crap, I did the wrong thing.
Speaker 3:Everyone says locals isn't easy to deal with, but it's literally like the best choice, guys. I don't know what else, I don't know should we?
Speaker 2:switch to substack. Is substack easier? I see everybody using substack now for writing.
Speaker 3:Can you do videos?
Speaker 4:no, they do video there.
Speaker 3:Now I want to see anthony write something there's no way substack is any better for video than Locals.
Speaker 4:I'll hang out with you guys for like eight more minutes.
Speaker 2:Eight more minutes, that's it, huh. So maybe we should focus on you a little bit.
Speaker 4:Focus on me. I'd love to be focused on you.
Speaker 3:Jump out now, while you can.
Speaker 2:I'm going to talk to you because I I would never do it on youtube, but talk to me, I've no more. No more of these videos on youtube where you're talking about personal stuff, like that's it, no more no, I'm doing what I want more personal stuff.
Speaker 4:You're not my dad.
Speaker 2:You're not my dad anthony, I'm telling you stop using youtube as your diary. You're doing the same shit that woman does.
Speaker 2:Stop telling people your personal stuff, it's gotta stop it's one thing, it's like you tell like a story that happened to you or something, but like you don't, don't be that vulnerable to these people. They hate you. You don't realize they people hate us and they will use anything they can to attack you. Like I'm not saying like if you want to talk to me or Rob about that stuff, that's fine, but these people are vicious and they don't like us and if they see you say something that's like a little bit open and vulnerable, they're going to use that to hurt you. So I mean, I'm not really telling you not to do it, but be careful, man, because people are vicious. Yeah, because people are vicious.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, people are stupid. I know what I put up, I'm aware All right.
Speaker 2:Just like the older brother to the younger brother, kind of thing, just trying to look out for you.
Speaker 3:At least you're not claiming you've got a vision from the Blessed Virgin Like Christine. What's her name?
Speaker 2:Harrington, that lady's nuts. Is that?
Speaker 4:the Church Militant lady.
Speaker 3:Former Church.
Speaker 7:Militant lady, former church militant.
Speaker 4:Oh wait, she's the one that says Father Altman's the wrath of God. Does she mean that?
Speaker 3:How does she mean?
Speaker 4:that she said in the apparition, that Our Lady said that Father Altman is my son's wrath.
Speaker 3:I mean alcoholism is, but I don't know about him.
Speaker 4:So I jokingly say that he is now he's the self alcoholism is, but I don't know about him, so I I jokingly say that he is now. He's the self-proclaimed wrath of god.
Speaker 2:So um, well, the thing is, I do think a lot of, I do think a lot of people probably do like those videos from you, nick, but I just think people are vicious and that's my, that's the only reason I say yeah, no, no, and I I appreciate it.
Speaker 4:Like the reason I put it up was, I mean, you're not wrong in certain you. You got to be careful, but I did feel like it could help some people and it did. There was like overwhelmingly positive response, like there was some people who actually texted me. They were like I looked at the title and thought oh, is nick spazzing out. Then I watched the video. I was like dang, he's right on every single point. But then I followed it up with you know, in hindsight it is just the cross I'm bearing. It is what it is, although best troll comment against me of all time was on that video. Someone decides to randomly come and says the reason I'm single is because I'm a schismatic. That goes to the SSPX. So true, that's the reason. Lefebvre is the reason I'm an incel.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not just that. Whatever, we'll talk privately about it. Alright, so my daughter is doing esthetician school and it's a one-year program, uh, and it's for a a price that my in-laws actually put aside money for all my kids if they ever wanted to go to college, and it's like the exact amount they put away. So she's not gonna have any college debt. It's a one-year program, um, and she'll be able to do it from home if she builds any kind of client list or anything like that. She's not going to go off to be some boss chick. She's not going to get any. It's all girls where she's going. There's no guys in the class.
Speaker 3:We just talked about how having women friends is terrible.
Speaker 2:Yes, but you also don't want your daughter at a co-ed college scenario.
Speaker 3:That's why the convent is the only way.
Speaker 2:Then my college scenario. That's why the convent is the only way. Yeah, well then, uh, my son's doing welding, oh nice, uh, so he's, they have. They offer at the community college here they offer a welding program that's also a year long, he gets certified and everything. So he's, he's, he's thinking about after that program, going to do underwater welding to get like advanced certification. Then he's also thinking about like aero something, welding so he could work on airplanes and aeronautical stuff and things like that. So he's, and I think that's. It's a one-year program, also within the price of what my in-laws have saved for him, and it's something he won't get bogged down in $200,000 in debt. It's a hands-on job where he doesn't have to trek into the city like I do, but it's a blue collar job. We'll keep them grounded, I don't think.
Speaker 2:And that's the reason I'm bringing this up.
Speaker 3:Welding Anthony's boat must have a metal hall.
Speaker 2:Well, the reason I'm bringing it up is because I want to play that guy's video where he says AI is going to take over things like that. So HVAC technician explains how AI is even coming for blue-collar jobs. You got that, Rob. Yeah.
Speaker 9:AI isn't coming for my job. I'm an HVAC technician. No, it is. It is. Now. You're all screwed. You better get rich quick, because I literally was working on a unit I had not a damn clue. It was better off speaking Chinese to me. I had no idea what was going on with it Zero zip. I couldn't understand it. See these. I took a picture, took a video Explained what was going on with it Zero zip. I couldn't understand it. See these. I took a picture, took a video, explained what was happening. I gave the symptom. Within 35 seconds, it told me exactly what was wrong with the unit and how to fix it. Ai is coming for your job, buddy. It is. No, it's not.
Speaker 3:I think he's right.
Speaker 2:No, he's not right Look With current HVAC equipment, maybe HVAC, but he's talking about all blue-collar jobs and even HVAC. Rob, there will always be the people who, like my boat has to get fixed right and there's like I had to repair gel coat on it. I had to. There was, there were several things I had to repair and I watched a YouTube video on it and I learned how to do it and I did it. And there will always be people who are like that it's like oh, I can watch a YouTube video and it'll show me how to do this thing and I'll do it. But the vast majority of people are not going to get some glasses and learn how to do HVAC. I don't care how simple they make it, it's just not going to happen.
Speaker 3:I think a significant enough portion of it of people will to the point where it can hurt those trades. To the point where most HVAC technicians right, they're not installing the units, they're, you know they're. Most of them aren't even certified. You know, for most things when you're going out there to diagnose it, diagnose it and maybe reset. You know some of the code.
Speaker 2:It might be some simple thing where it's just yeah, you reset.
Speaker 3:But you understand that that's 50 to. I worked for an HVAC company in accounting we had 100 employees, 40 of the 100 total were HVAC technicians.
Speaker 3:30 of those 40 did simple diagnosis stuff like that, where they went out, figured out the limit switch tripped and they just have to reset it right. And because they did that in the middle of the night when it's negative 30 degrees out, we made $1,000 off of sending a guy to go switch a limit switch over right. That's the sort of stuff that I think could be impacted by AI.
Speaker 2:It could be slightly impacted. But let me tell you something 90% of people when their air conditioner breaks, they call in the damn HVAC person. Or their heat breaks, they call in HVAC Dude. When I moved into my house I had a flood in my basement and I had to do an abatement and cut out half the bottom of the freaking walls. Everything right Once I did that. I'm like crap Now.
Speaker 2:I also blew my oil burner. The leak came from my oil burner, so the insurance wouldn't cover the oil burner, they just covered the damage from the oil burner. So the whole basement floods because of the oil burner. But they don't replace the oil burner. They give me enough money to fix the basement. I needed a new oil burner, which is like 15 grand. So I took the insurance money, bought a new oil burner and I'm now in a position where I don't have my basement finished anymore. I went and I watched a ton of YouTube videos. I had never done framing or sheet rock or anything like that. I sat, I watched a video or two. I'm like I could do that. I gutted my entire basement, reframed the whole thing, re-sheet, rocked it, all of it. But I'm just, I happen to be that kind of person.
Speaker 3:99 of people when they get a flood in their basement are just going to pay somebody to right but you ai I don't see it as much different from from from a youtube video showing you how to do it it's not other than it's more effective and it's easier to do right, so it makes at least a number of people more likely to do that. What's going to happen is, demographically, we're already screwed as a society when it comes to when it comes to jobs, when it comes to having people to do things for us like there's already. We're already screwed in that that regard. So ai is going to be used more and more to fill those gaps, because there's going to be no other option yeah, right, and that's what they're going to push for.
Speaker 2:That's why they're going to push for ai, because it's either ai or mass immigration, yeah, when really it's going to be both right, because that's what makes them the most money so that's why, it's going to be pushed at every possible opportunity you know, I don't doubt that and I do think 90 of desk jobs or that things that you're on a computer for will probably be taken over by AI. But I also know there is no robot coming and learning to run a paving machine and pave roads.
Speaker 4:It's just like. Think about it this way. I mean, the reality is it all comes down to money at the end of the day. It all comes down to money. At the end of the day, it all comes down to money. And if long term, when you see Gen Z continuing to just be terminally online and doing all of these jobs that are online, I mean, yeah, maybe some of them end up going and doing hard labor jobs, but the reality is that, long term, if the companies can get more money by putting in high tech robots, one day they can do all of these types of stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about absolutely blue collar jobs though oh yeah, I mean I understand.
Speaker 3:That's because all the tools and technology you use now are designed to be used by humans. Right can all be redone.
Speaker 2:It's not just that, like my, job entails so much that ai is not capable. I'm not saying it'll never be there, but it's just there's too much planning. There's too much planning. There's too many things that go wrong on the job, ordering the amount of material, and it's just too much.
Speaker 3:They'll always be a few people involved, but you don't need necessarily like a human like factories right they're automating.
Speaker 2:They're automating factories now, right. So the guys that are working at shipyards and stuff like that, that was what the whole Longshoremen strike was about on the East Coast last summer. Last summer the Longshoremen went on strike because so much of the port is now automated. So I do know there are some things where a machine could just but that's loading a box from one thing to another. It's a very different thing loading a box from one place to another or in the Amazon factory. Just the box loads up because you have automation for that. Then it is for a skilled technician to come in and do a home renovation, for a skilled technician to come in and do welding. Have you seen?
Speaker 3:welding.
Speaker 4:Are you see how they're hoping to build homes in the future, though?
Speaker 3:yeah, because they're all doing it through, like it's literally through prefab, prefab robotics.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly, there's a ton of them that have actually been built, it's still going to take a very long time for that though.
Speaker 4:Well they well. The thing is like they've already built I think it's like upwards of 10 000 homes in austin through ai machines already well, that's if you're.
Speaker 2:If that's new construction, though new construction, sure, like new construction, you'll be able to just order the home you want and it'll come and it'll get delivered and the thing will get set up fine. But the majority of homes in our country are not prefab homes and stuff goes wrong. Your roof starts leaking, things like that. There's not ai coming to replace your roof well, you never know.
Speaker 4:I mean the thing is, is it's like it would not shock me if in five years we have am I crazy?
Speaker 2:these guys just going against me for the sake of going against me?
Speaker 3:like I'm actually on anthony's side, like every industrial revolution up to this point hasn't been incredibly disruptive yeah I'm not in my soul I was going to be disruptive.
Speaker 2:I am agreeing with you on that. I'm saying young men, go for the blue collar jobs because they're still way a very long ways off of that. They're safer for sure. Yes, they're definitely safer?
Speaker 4:they're definitely safer. It's just like I saw someone say this the other day and it's true it's like philosophy is literally now a useless major just because, like, ai will do all the thinking for you, and it's like, yeah, it's unfortunate. I agree in like the sense that I wish that we could all just take hammers and destroy all AI forever and just kind of go back to a pre-Luddite era.
Speaker 2:I think it may come to that.
Speaker 4:I don't think we'll have to destroy it.
Speaker 2:I just think we're going to over-technologize and it's going to destroy us that and or if genetics gets so insane.
Speaker 4:I was even reading like this the other day. It's like I mean they're, they're messing around with like dinosaurs and stuff it is like comment rob what you see, firm fishes, comment ironically and saying nothing ever happens here.
Speaker 2:Rob's taking the counter position and I don't think you're, I don't.
Speaker 3:All I'm saying is we can't and I don't think you're doing this, but we can't be complacent and say AI will never do this, AI will never do that.
Speaker 4:It'll never happen to me. This is safe.
Speaker 3:We need to be prepared for something that's incredibly disruptive, incredibly destructive.
Speaker 4:We have to figure this out because it's going to be it's going to be worse than the industrial revolutions up to this point yeah, because like, think about this, in 10 years we might be having a conversation as a society where there's like freaking ai machines running around as like troops right, they're like soldiers and then there's some like crazy dinosaurs also running around because of genetics.
Speaker 3:I guess I'm not so worried about that. I'm more worried about what was that minority report. Minority report.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, they did it as like seeing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they had like a weird, weird right. But really what is so different in that than ai saying looking, taking in all this data about everyone and saying these signs over?
Speaker 2:here say that this person just signs people talking on their phones about plans they have and then them intercepting those plans and it's hey, you were going to do this.
Speaker 3:We saw you had the plans right now they'll be minority, but that's different than then. I I don't think they'll even need that, you know. I think they will start to act on far less concrete well, it's even even also.
Speaker 4:Just like I mean I've seen this blow up in like the last week, but I mean it's just common sense, like don't bring your phone into confession with you. Like I know it's not exactly one-to-one ai discussion, but it's the same thing. It's like how much are the phones listening in to where they're hearing what you're saying? Confession and they use that to blackmail you one day.
Speaker 3:Well, so that's when, like anthony, the other day, you, um, you had that tweet about, uh, the dangers of trump's executive order on reopening asylums, and, and everyone, everyone who responded you didn't seem to understand the danger. There they're saying, oh, we need these open, though, we need these open, it's where we want to get the homeless crazy person off the street but that's not how it's going to be used. No, it's going to be used against you because you want to homeschool your kids.
Speaker 2:It can be used against you because you don't want to get an abortion tainted vaccine. That's what it's going to be used for. That is my fear with that, and people didn't get what I was saying with that. It's like, yes, in a just society, there are people who need help and they aren't cognizant enough to understand they need help and there should be some people who could say no, no, no, we have to institutionalize you for your own good. Sure, there are those scenarios, but I saw what they did with those concentration camps in Australia during COVID.
Speaker 3:One of the comments. Minority report. We'll find the underage extraterrestrial hiding in Jimmy Akin's basement.
Speaker 2:Not even that, nick. You're saying like don't bring your phone into confession. My thing with that is 90% of the sins people commit now involve their phones anyway. So the sin itself is committed on the phone. The confessing of it, yeah cool. You didn't confess it in front of the phone but you committed. Like 90% of mortal sins today involve the phone, I think. Whether it's looking at porn or lying or cheating or stealing or something, it involves the phone. So the record of the sin itself is already on the phone and you going and confessing it in the confessional is. You know, it's just another added thing they could use against you. Like, well, I said something, what was it? The other day Rob was like oh, I was talking about with the voice of reason thing. I go, how about this? Every single guy who wants to get into being like an influencer has to give like a three-year or a year-long. You got to let people see your Internet search history.
Speaker 2:Your search history for a year, Rob goes. I don't think the ATF is going to be too happy with my search history. The ATF already has your search history, though you think they're not. Has your search history, though you think they're not monitoring.
Speaker 4:I know they do, I promise you, they are I know they have, like they have a guy with a spy cam on rob right now um.
Speaker 3:I mean he doesn't need a spy. He just needs to pay five bucks to locals.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we talk about this stuff out here like it's like that's the least my, my fed could do yeah, yeah, I don't know, man, we are heading into strange times. I just don't trust the government. So if they open these asylums, I do think it will be the homeschooling parent that doesn't want their kids going into the public school. Oh really, you're insane. We're going to put you in this institution.
Speaker 4:I mean maybe distant future. I only say that just because again it kind of comes down to realism. It's like we've seen the number of homeschooling families quadruple plus in the last decade.
Speaker 3:Yeah, homeschooling, sure, but if they had had that power in 2020, in 2021, you don't think they would have used it?
Speaker 4:No, exactly If it was in 2020.
Speaker 2:Point is that, though, looking into the future, it's like All right, we, we have homeschooling, just to throw that out there. But it could be for whatever purpose they like, whatever they deem.
Speaker 4:We're just saying homeschool I mean I would say I'm not saying they're gonna lock all the homeschooling parents up.
Speaker 3:I would put you it. Had that power, the the january 6th guys would be in a mental asylum forever yes, there you go, something like that.
Speaker 2:Like there's just, there's, there's. There will be situations where you are not going along with whatever the government wants you to like. Trump today, just that freaking uh, apple and google and all these different people come in to talk about advancing the medical uh like medical technology and all incorporating AI for that, and that, to me, is just going to be warp speed, part two, where the next pandemic that comes. You think you're going to go get yourself a fake vaccine card. You're out of your mind. They're going to know exactly what we're doing. They're going to be able to track every little thing you do. You know getting your fake vaccine card. You're going to have to go and get the stupid thing that they want you to get, whatever it is. I need the opposite of a black pill. Would that be a white pill? Um, yeah, apple is it? Apple is definitely a joke in the ai if I said like, if siri can't understand when I say diocesan, I'm not worried about ai just yet.
Speaker 4:Like it's just you can't pick up half of the church words.
Speaker 2:She's not none of them like it's so terrible, like try saying synodality theory and see what comes out.
Speaker 3:Let's try it it does, it doesn't count. Try texting rob, synodality.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you guys what comes out. Let me see. All right, rob and nicholas, how is synodality going? How is sal going? How's sal going. How is sal going?
Speaker 3:that's to be fair to be fair, that generally would work for coming from an italian right the diocesan structures must be changed.
Speaker 2:It got it right. I can't believe it was the first time it got diocesan. Why didn't you?
Speaker 4:yell that at so many times.
Speaker 2:You were just like shut up you stupid, stupid machine. All right, we let me see if there's something else I wanted to get to Nick, you could split if you gotta go well part of me now.
Speaker 4:I'm like kind of want to tell you guys what's going on with my story. But I have to tell you off air because Anthony's guilt tripped me into telling well, I don't know if you have anything left to tell.
Speaker 2:I think I heard it all from Flanders, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3:We can trust the 90 people watching locals.
Speaker 4:From the brief version that you told me of Flanders. He did not.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what. When you tell us, I'll tell you. If Flanders already said it, that's what we'll do. All right, yeah, we're going to wrap this one up, but we'll see what happens with the rest of the rest of the week. If a big news story pops up, maybe we'll do a Friday night show or something. I don't know, we'll see, I'll. I'll give you guys something. Even if Rob doesn't, I'll give you guys something, something. Something will pop up on locals or members or something. I'll give you guys something. All right, we're going to take this one off and hear Nick's little inside info. In the next episode I'll blur the secrets out to you guys. Kidding.
Speaker 3:Kidding Nick. Hold on, Let me play the outro. Okay, here we go. Okay, we're definitely not still streaming to locals. Potentially there's definitely no one still listening.
Speaker 4:That's what it says. It still says live no, it doesn't.
