A Rare Win: How Knives Out 3 PORTRAYS the Priesthood

Knives Out 3: A murder in a neo‑gothic church, a boxer who traded the ring for a collar, and a monsignor whose thunder hides a storm—this story had us leaning in from skepticism to surprise. What starts like a stylish whodunit unfolds into a thoughtful meditation on guilt, grace, and the strange mercy of suffering. We dig into why the narrative needed Catholicism—not just the aesthetics of stained glass and cassocks, but the hard edges of confession, penance, and redemptive love.

We share where the film won us over: Father Jud’s steady humility, the way ritual is presented as a living story, and a pivotal conversation that reframes doubt without smugness. Monsignor Wicks emerges as a cautionary tale of zeal unmoored from charity, while the detective’s barbs slowly reveal an old wound masquerading as certainty. Along the way we spot smart details—a well-placed theological book, a deliberate use of architecture—that signal someone behind the scenes knows the difference between costume and conviction.

Expect a candid take on content concerns, an honest compare to “faith” films that preach but don’t persuade, and a deeper look at the film’s central symbols, including an “Eve’s apple” motif that turns into a stark contrast between grasping and surrender. Whether you’re Catholic, curious, or just here for a sharp mystery with moral weight, this conversation aims to help you see the clues behind the clues—and maybe why repentance doesn’t shrink a life but sets it free.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open And Banter
• 1:23 Trip To Banff And Friends
• 4:43 Year-End Support And Tip Jar
• 6:18 Sponsor: Recusant Cellars
• 6:58 Setting Up The Film Review
• 8:20 First Impressions And Tone Shift
• 10:36 The Boxer-Turned-Priest Backstory
• 12:24 Monsignor Wicks And Culture War
• 14:25 Father Judd’s Character And Faith
• 16:35 Detective Blanc’s Skepticism
• 18:20 Story, Ritual, And Meaning
• 20:45 Easter Eggs And Catholic Detail
• 22:10 Themes Of Greed And Predominant Faults
• 24:10 Eve’s Apple And Typology
• 25:56 Why Catholicism Fits The Story
• 28:00 Content Warnings And Audience Fit
• 30:00 Comparing To Father Stu
• 31:40 Locals Tease And Next Topics
• 33:10 Communion Blessings Question
• 35:10 Scheduling And Upcoming Guests

Transcript

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Perfect segue. No, not for nothing. I went to I go away to Banff. Um I got I hung out with Holdsworth and Mike Pantila, dragged them both down there. I got to spend the weekend with those guys, plus all the people that I did my former pilgrimage with. Yeah, so um we were there for like five days. Mike and Brian came down Friday. Mike got there Friday morning, Brian got there Friday night. Um, because you pestered him for a full day, right? I pestered Mike. Mike was like, as soon as we got we were going, he's like, I'm I'm in. But Brian was kind of interesting. Uh Holdsworth basically told me right up until he made the decision that he wasn't going to be able to make it. He's like, Yeah, I don't think so, man. Things are really crazy, too busy. And then we were out to dinner Friday night, and Mike Pantila, because they go to the same parish, and Mike Pantila's wife was like, No, no, no Brian's on his way, he's already heading down. He'll be he'll be here around 11 o'clock. I'm like, he doesn't even tell me, he just tells her. Brian and I have very similar temperaments. He just can't say no. We were actually laughing because first off, I met Mike's wife and I met Brian's wife. Mike's wife is a doll. Mike and his wife are very similar to me and Nicole, like they both have the same temperaments, like as me and Nicole. Yeah, it's they're they it it's like a mirrored relationship, it's pretty funny. But Brian and his wife are very similar to you and Hope, where like they're both melancholic, they're both like so. We were kind of joking around. I'm like, I can't even imagine what an argument in your house is like. And Brian said, he's like, there's a lot of just like burying it deep inside, staring quietly at each other from across the road. We both give each other the silent treatment for days on end. I'm like, oh, I know. And then comes the melancholic dump. Yeah, he's like, he's like, Oh, I you know about that. My my co-host does this quite often. But don't make me laugh too much, it hurts. Because me and you, uh, well, you're sick, right? So you're you're you're you are out of work today. I'm I'm actually home because we got snow, I got snow in New York. So Rob's homesick, and I got uh like eight inches of snow on Long Island. It's the first time we've gotten snow in December in years. Um, and you really can't do paving when it's snowing out. So I was home yesterday and today. So when you said you were sick, I was like, is there any chance you want to do an afternoon show? Which is nice because it's like you have a little bit of energy. So then it was like, okay, what do we talk about? And I told Rob to watch this movie because I watched it last night. But but before we even get to that, we are both home and poor. I just went on vacation and now I'm laid off.

SPEAKER_02: 4:21

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Uh, I don't think they have it at this time of the year.

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SPEAKER_02: 7:15

So um I started watching it, and I've I've not seen the two previous Knives Out movies. So when you said there was a new Knives Out movie out, I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about. But um, so I started watching it, and um it's probably 20-30 minutes into the sh the movie. I I tell my wife, I I say, you know, to hope I'm like, I don't know why Anthony has me watch these stupid movies. Like him and I clearly have very different taste. Um but then it was probably it's it's a longer movie than you'd think. You know, it was getting to what I felt was gonna be towards the end, and I looked and it was halfway through, yeah, and I'm like, this is actually getting good. I want to watch the rest of this movie, and um and by the end, yeah, it was um uh I you know, so I know Rian Johnson directed it, right?

SPEAKER_03: 8:09

Um, I don't know who else was involved in it, but I really do feel like there was someone involved in it that was that that is deeply Catholic, deeply Catholic and like knows the Catholic world because Rob texts me before the before the movie, and he goes, dude, this is Father Altman. Like the so all right, so the the movie basically we we'll try not to destroy the plot if you guys haven't seen it yet. Because it's a murder mystery, like we can't yeah, and it's a yeah, we won't we won't spoil the movie on you, but we'll give you like the general plot.

SPEAKER_02: 8:40

It's a it's not like I confess where we're talking about a murder mystery movie from 60 years ago.

SPEAKER_03: 8:44

Yeah, it's brand new, so people might not have seen it yet. But like initial impressions, like the main the main character of the movie is a guy who is a boxer, and he becomes a priest after he kills someone in the boxing ring, right? So, this is a guy who who is fight is he's a boxer, he kills someone in the boxing ring, and he feels in his heart that like he kind of knew what he was doing, and he had hatred in his heart.

SPEAKER_02: 9:13

He maybe didn't intend to kill the guy, you know, so there was no criminal case, but he had hatred in his heart for him, so he does feel like it was morally murder, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 9:24

So, and but he doesn't he the the way his character develops, it's like he finds this freedom in Christ, and he and that and that is portrayed throughout the movie. Now, the other character, the protagonist would that be the protagonist, I guess.

SPEAKER_02: 9:38

Yeah, played by uh no, the antagonist.

SPEAKER_03: 9:40

Played by Josh Brolin, right? Yeah, sure play played by Josh Brolin. This guy is modeled after Father Altman. I would not be surprised if like I'm I'm pretty sure they they actually just did a personal. Some of the mannerisms, some of the uh supposed advice is um the thing is like part of like the the part of the father well Monsignor Wicks is the guy's name in the movie. Something he does is he's intentionally provocative to try and get people to walk out. Yeah, and I the first time I saw Father Altman was at the canceled priest conference, and I walked out during his talk. Like, that's how I was like offended by the things he was saying, and I was just like, I can't even be in here for the and I walked out. It it felt very much like that, where it was intentionally fiery. And look, this and and there are true things that this Monsignor Wix says. Like, don't get me wrong.

SPEAKER_02: 10:43

There are like the whoever that this movie really did capture. I mean, uh not the oh the entire crisis in the church, but it really did capture kind of the war against modernism, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 10:56

So the so they so this this Monsignor Wix is talking about like all the things the church is facing, the Marxists and uh this and the that, and you know, all all the things that the church is actually facing. So you want to side with him, but he is a villain, and and he has like rottenness in his heart. Now, the the the protagonist of the film, Father Judd, seems like he's very much modeled after a father Mike Schmidt's.

SPEAKER_02: 11:26

Very much so, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 11:28

Which, you know, I people might have criticism of Father Mike Schmitz, but you could tell the man has a deep love for Christ. Like he just does. Father Mike has a very deep love for Christ, and this priest in this movie does also. Like, he's there's there's so many things that that uh come up where it it starts off like the opening scene in the movie is he punches a deacon in the face, you know, and when he's when he's being disciplined by his um by the eclipse, yeah, by his bishop. First off, the none of the priests are f effeminate in this movie. No, they're all very masculine, including the bishop. The bishop is like, yeah, you know, that guy kind of deserves a punch in the face.

SPEAKER_02: 12:07

Like the bishop is is played by the the black guy from Westworld, right?

SPEAKER_03: 12:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, so none of the priests are effeminate in it. Um there are there are some caricatures that you know would make Catholics maybe look like they're you know a bit over the top or and stuff like that, but I didn't none of that bothered me because of none of it felt untrue or forced, you know, or derogatory towards Catholics at all. Yeah, and you know, yeah, and then and there's one scene where the the the lead detective, his name is Blanc, he he meets the priest for the first time, the good priest, the good priest, and uh Father Judd asks Blanc what he feels like how how do you feel about the church that we're in? And Blanc goes in this long diatribe about you know the church and its homophobia and all this. It does like the typical liberal bashing of the church, but then kind of gets into how his mother was overly religious, and that like you could kind of see his hangups come, and the excuses he makes for why he isn't religious are basically like um it's cope. Yeah, it's it's a lot of cope, and it's a lot of a lot of stuff you would see in in your everyday life of the justifications people make for why they have left the church or no longer attend the sacraments, things like that. It's a it's very much something you would hear somebody say. So it's even in his criticisms of the church, you're like, Yeah, I've seen this guy, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 13:56

Like he doesn't go as far as saying, you know, pulling out the reddit tier like sky daddy stuff, but it almost gets to that uh point, and and you can tell he's he's wrapping his his uh sorry guys. Yeah, he's a little thing. Maybe maybe his his own moralities he's wrapping his insecurities with his mother and his upbringing in like this whole you know new atheist rationality sort of cope.

SPEAKER_03: 14:26

And then I think the movie makes it actually really obvious, very obvious, and then Father Judd's response to him because he's like the these stories, and you know, these stories they try to enrapture you, and I'm facing I'm facing this story, and and Father Judd's response is like, Yeah, it yeah, it is a story. Um, including the religious garb that we wear, including the rituals that we do there, they're all story, and that's kind of how man perceives the world is through story. And the idea the the thing is we have to really consider does the story hint at a deeper moral truth and a deeper real truth that gets to the depth of who we are, and like he goes through this long explanation, and then all of a sudden, um Father Judge starts to get like emotional. And Blanc is like, What what what's going on? What's going on? He's like, I just I kind of felt like a priest for a moment because the the priest is the one being accused of of the murder that takes place in the show, and he got the good priest, the good priest, the bad priest is murdered, the good priest is accused of it, and he and the way he gets overwhelmed in giving his explanation, it was it was a very good um it was a very good catechesis moment that he gives about it. Sound sounded like something I would say, and then he gets overwhelmed. It also sounded exactly like Father Mike, right? Talks in Bible in the year. And when he gets overwhelmed, though, I'm I'm like, that that's kind of like it made me think of why we even started doing this show, and a lot of it had to do with because I uh what is she what is she texting me? Oh sorry. Um like why we started doing this show is because I always had anytime I would be discussing the faith, I would feel alive. Like I it was it was a it was something about my in my conversations in everyday life. The time I felt the most alive is when I was talking about God to people, and I saw that in this priest where he he's discussing the faith and the church because he's explaining the church. He's like that, you know, the the story this church is telling it's kind of weird because it's not even a middle-aged church, it's really a 19th-century um neo-gothic. Yeah, it's like a neo-gothic church. He's like, but it's still telling a story. He's like, But these stories resonate with us, and it sounded like some like something I would say, and that I would feel like my heart jumping as I was telling it to whoever I was telling it to, and then he has that moment. I I I just thought it was really well done. Um, I do have a statue of Our Lady I could put behind me. That might be a good idea. Um, so yeah, so overall, you know, there are going to be things that people can be critical of. Like Matthew Marsden's critique was he's like, you know, that it was just a stereotypical bad priest calling his mother the harlot whore. And I'm like, that that's what got you.

SPEAKER_02: 17:28

I mean, like, I've never heard that stereotype, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03: 17:34

I don't know, I don't know what he was getting at. I but the end the way the movie ends is very well done um in showing how repentance and like like true healing comes through repentance and finding meaning in your suffering. There's there's two stories that kind of end in the movie where these two themes come to life. So for anybody that does want to watch the movie, it's not you know, I mean it's a it's a it's a secular movie. Uh it just I thought that the themes were very well done, and I thought that in the end, it really brought home this idea of repentance actually leads to true freedom, and that you find your meaning and your miracle through suffering, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 18:25

Um, um, one little uh Easter egg that I saw that I thought was pretty funny was at one point there, um, the detective played by Daniel Craig is in uh Father Judd's room, and uh you see on the floor um a copy of uh Bishop Schneider's uh Krato.

SPEAKER_03: 18:44

How Rob he goes, did you see the did you see the the copy of Krato in in the set? I was like, I did not even see it.

SPEAKER_02: 18:50

And it's clearly visible.

SPEAKER_03: 18:52

You can read Krato on it, and if you have it, you know exactly what it is, which is what makes me think whoever was on this set was either they they had traditional Catholics on this set, giving insight into probably Monsignor Wick's character, yeah, right? This fiery traditional priest who's preaching hell and brimstone and uh tradition, um not traditional and liturgy, right? Not liturgical, no. It definitely wasn't liturgically traditional, but it's this fire and brimstone preaching, and but that Easter egg is an Easter egg. So whoever whoever was on set clearly put that.

SPEAKER_02: 19:32

I mean, it's not it's not like it's the only other books they that are recognizable in the the the movie are the ones that uh Daniel Craig's detective character, you know, they're like old murder mysteries that he reads out of to figure out the mystery. Other than those, this is the only book that's clearly visible. So it was interesting.

SPEAKER_03: 19:51

Yeah, it was just I look, it was an interesting movie. I thought it came home, and in the end, it showed a Christ figure for the priest. A guy and it also showed how greed and the love of money can destroy a person. Money, money, greed, and power can really destroy a person.

SPEAKER_02: 20:12

And there's and actually with the with now that I think about it, all the um all of the prisoners there had some sort of predominant fault, right? That really ended up destroying almost all of them. None of them really uh make it out uh virtuously, you know. So that that was interesting too.

SPEAKER_03: 20:32

Except the one the the girl with the cello.

SPEAKER_02: 20:36

True, that yeah, that yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03: 20:38

That that was that one was really important to catch, also, because uh that was the one that kind of like the meaning through suffering one. So um yeah, there's also like this this whole theme of of uh don't don't search for Eve's apple now. Christ is your redemption, Christ is your inheritance now. Like the this whole theme of of of Eve's apple, like don't go and and bite the apple now because Christ, your inheritance, is here now. That is your that is your inheritance.

SPEAKER_02: 21:17

Even in the end, um Eve's apple, which we we're not gonna say what it is, not that it's a big secret, but Eve's apple ends up, which which is the source of so much evil in the show, is almost um typologically, it's like redeemed in in the crucified Christ, right? Yeah, because that's where it ends up being placed in this this this crucifix that he builds himself for the church ends up containing Eve's apple in it.

SPEAKER_03: 21:44

Yeah, there's there's some some good typology in that that I enjoyed. So um, yeah, we figured we would jump on, just do a quick 20-minute, 25-minute summation of the movie. Because I think if because a couple of people that saw it responded to me and said, I made it through 30 minutes and I turned it off. And that was Rob's instinct, too. He's like, he's like, I don't know what you know, why is Anthony even making me watch this? But if you finish the movie out, especially after you get to to the halfway mark, you'll start seeing these themes popping up, and especially in the the main father Judd, like the things that he's getting at, and he's constantly trying to bring people to to healing through Christ. And I I mean, I I thought it was very well done. Uh, you know, it's clearly a secular movie, so I'm not going to act like it's you know the the the the sequel to passion or anything, you know. But I think if uh no, you're going to get a full show because we're gonna go to locals next.

SPEAKER_02: 22:44

So we're gonna kind of keep this one short because we figure people that watch movie reviews don't want to watch an hour-long movie review, but we are going to and it'd be weird if like you know, 25 minutes into a movie review suddenly became about you know the Jewish question, it just no.

SPEAKER_03: 23:00

So, what we're going to do over on locals, we're gonna discuss voice of reason, but there's also one clip of the movie I want to play, and that's the that's the scene we just discussed before with where Blunk meets um Father Judd. So we're going to go over to locals. If we play it over here, we'll get a copyright strike and they'll kill the stream on us. So if if we go over to locals, we can play that clip, and then I want to discuss Alex for voice of a reason his him him thinking he's coming back because he keeps pretending he's oh, I'm listening to my spiritual fathers, but it's just this this this is appalling, in my opinion. And then uh Rob's got an interesting story of a woman who wanted her daughter to be uh an altar server, and the priest said no.

SPEAKER_02: 23:48

Um there's an interesting comment on locals, actually. Um, so uh they say apparently Ryan Johnson made the film to grapple with his upbringing and evangelicalism, but chose Catholicism for the film because of aesthetics, saying that the most of the churches he went to growing up were like pottery barns. Apparently, he did talk to a table full of priests in Denver, and Father Scott Bailey was the technical consultant for the script.

SPEAKER_03: 24:15

Think about it. I forgot to even bring that up. I'm so glad that comment was in there because that's the first thing I thought is people. If you want to depict Christianity properly, you need to do it with Catholicism. You cannot do it with Protestantism. No, that movie would not have worked, it would not have worked. You needed it to be these two priests, you needed to have the sacrament of reconciliation, like you needed to have the sacrament of reconciliation at the end. You needed redemptive suffering. The none Protestantism doesn't offer any of what these themes grapple with in the movie, it had to be done the way it was done, and that's all I was thinking throughout the movie is this only works if it's Catholic priests that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02: 25:03

Um all you get with Protestantism is God's not dead, one, two, and three. That's it, right?

SPEAKER_03: 25:09

So, in an interesting way, all of the like the best tools for evangelism are always going to be through Catholicism because you're you're playing with these themes that Protestantism never touches. And and like actual red, this isn't like oh, oh, well, I've been saved though, right? No, you're dealing with people who are Christian and grappling with redemption in their own lives. It's it's a really it's a really good, uh, a really uh it's every movie that has to deal with this stuff. If you want to do demonic possession, you have to use Catholicism. If you want any of these things, you need the aesthetics, not just the aesthetics, but the theology of Catholicism. Yeah, it doesn't work without our theology. Um, so uh yeah, all right. So we're going to jump over to locals to uh let's see. Um I'm sorry, uh Christian Mario just texted me. Um all right, so we're going to go love you, Rob, love you, Anthony, love you, chat. There you go. Um, so we're gonna go over to locals. We're gonna discuss uh we're gonna play a clip from the movie that I definitely want to um that I definitely want to uh show. And then we're gonna discuss voice of reason. And I want to discuss that um that woman who wanted her daughter to be an altar server because it kind of just shows you the um the mindset of women who push their kids to do things that they don't even want to do, but they're activists and they can't help themselves.

SPEAKER_02: 26:44

So that's what we're gonna do over there. For the record, we're not necessarily recommending the movie, especially to like other like faithful Catholics. It's a secular secular movie.

SPEAKER_03: 26:56

It's just I'm trying to pull the good out of it, right?

SPEAKER_02: 27:00

Especially because when uh secular people go and see it, they might have questions about Catholicism for you.

SPEAKER_03: 27:07

You know, you know, it's not something I would man. I don't know if I I I would say I shouldn't recommend it though. Like I I don't know. I uh I mean there's definitely some is there blasphemy in it? Um I didn't pick up on it.

SPEAKER_02: 27:24

I'm sure the only part I remember in there was one time when uh Martha scares Father Judd and he jumps.

SPEAKER_03: 27:32

Oh, and he takes the Lord's name in vain, right?

SPEAKER_02: 27:35

Um there's probably more, but it wasn't so egregious where it stuck out to me.

SPEAKER_03: 27:42

No, and there wasn't foul language. So somebody's asking, is it teenager appropriate? Yeah, I would say it is.

SPEAKER_02: 27:47

Yeah, and there was no nudity. There was the the uh Monsignor Wick's mother is dressed somewhat scandalously, at least before that.

SPEAKER_03: 27:57

In confession, confesses uh he does confess, yeah. He can he confesses sins of the flesh in confession, but it's he's it's it's a bit of a vulgar conversation, but um that's about it. Yeah, I would say, yeah, those those are the warnings. Um, yeah, this the yeah, that I I would say that's probably the the hardest part to sit through is the vulgar confession, but at the same time, he's trying to do something with that, like he's trying to there's a plot point there, yeah. There's a plot point to it, he's trying to shock the priest and scare him off or something like that. So it's like um it's not and like it, it's he kind of just says our lord's name real quick. He doesn't say it, he doesn't say GD or anything.

SPEAKER_02: 28:46

Like, I don't remember any GDs in it.

SPEAKER_03: 28:48

No, I don't think there was. I he just says our Lord's name real quick, and it's not even like JC, where he uses it vulgarly. He's just like he's jump scared and he it was our Lord's name, right? Yeah, it was uh yeah, so um it's definitely less vulgar than uh father um what was that movie with Marky Mark and Mel Gibson?

SPEAKER_02: 29:10

Well, it's probably less vul vulgar than Father Altman's sermons, yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 29:15

Less vulgar than Father Altman's sermons.

SPEAKER_02: 29:17

Um Father Stew, yeah. Father Stewart's way, way better. Honestly, it's a it's a better movie morally than Father Stew. I think so.

SPEAKER_03: 29:26

100 better than Father Stew, uh, because it's way less vulgar than Father Stew. And I father stew, you're watching this whole vulgar movie for one payoff speech at the end.

SPEAKER_02: 29:38

Yeah, that's essentially it.

SPEAKER_03: 29:40

You watched this movie.

SPEAKER_02: 29:41

And it was very shallow. Like, I'm not gonna say shallow, but I'm it the message was right there on the surface. Whereas I mean, maybe maybe we're reading into this movie more than we should, but uh, I there's some I think there's some deep stuff here.

SPEAKER_03: 29:55

I do too. I like that's that's the that's how I came away thinking about it. And my wife was kind of like in and out in the first half hour. She's like, I don't know if I'm gonna watch the same same as you, but then once it gets into those deeper themes and conversations, I was like, This this is some good stuff here, like this might actually spark someone's heart if they're paying attention. Yeah, like I don't know. I I think it could. I don't know. So we'll see. Um, all right. So we're gonna head over to locals. If you guys can, please join us over there. It's gonna be uh uh continuation. So we're doing early today, Thursday. We're going to be on with Mike Church.

SPEAKER_02: 30:34

So um that'll be going to be an interesting subject. So this is a show where um they just he picks a subject, not church related, and just has a discussion with it on that subject with a few guys. I think this subject is about uh Christmas movies. Oh, which is like Anthony's specialty, he'll he'll ruin everyone's day.

SPEAKER_03: 30:58

I'm I'm wondering if I should play the troll up of pretending I don't like it's a wonderful life. I don't actually dislike that movie, it just makes everybody so mad. Where was I I don't think I've ever watched it. I think I've tried watching it twice and I fell asleep, but I've never actually watched It's a Wonderful Life. Uh that one and Johnny Cash. If you if you if you say Johnny Cash things, people lose their minds. Um, so all right, so we're gonna head over to to locals. Uh but yeah, so we'll be oh all right, we'll be on we on Mike Church at 7 p.m. Eastern. Hope we're hoping that runs about an hour, and then we may just come over and do a local show on our channel.

SPEAKER_02: 31:40

We'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_03: 31:42

Yeah, we'll probably just do a local show on our channel. So if you guys are locals members, just pay attention to that. We'll we'll probably just jump on from uh my church right over to our locals, and we'll do an hour over on locals, and uh that'll be a Thursday show, and that'll be our our out before Christmas.

SPEAKER_02: 31:58

No, we'll have Tuesday. No, we'll have Tuesday. Okay, and then maybe we'll do uh no. Uh is it Friday or Saturday? We're on with the Catholic unscripted next week.

SPEAKER_03: 32:06

Uh Saturday, I think we're on with Catholic Scripted uh Catholic Unscripted. I don't know if we're doing that on our channel or theirs.

SPEAKER_02: 32:12

We haven't up here either.

SPEAKER_03: 32:14

Yeah, we haven't really hammered that out yet. If it's on ours, maybe we'll just go live. Yeah, we'll go live and then we'll yeah, we'll figure that out. I don't know. That's that's next week. So all right, guys, we'll see. Oh, I have a question. If someone isn't able to take communion, should they be going up to get a blessing during the TLM?

SPEAKER_02: 32:33

I would say there's no reason to. You definitely can, but it's the same blessing everyone receives at the end of Mass.

SPEAKER_03: 32:41

Um the the mass we went to in Banff, Canada, the priest, um the priest before communion, uh like gave a whole little uh like talk about like making sure that like those of you who are because it was a we had to go to a novel soda, it was the only thing we had. There's no Latin there. I wasn't I I still don't think you you have a you I don't I still don't think I could miss my Sunday obligation. So anyway, the the priest was like gave a whole talk about before communion about making sure you can consume the host immediately if you're receiving on the hand. Uh and he said, if you have a child who hasn't yet made their communion, just tell them to come up with their arms crossed and I'll give them a blessing. But that's a novice order, that's not a Latin.

SPEAKER_02: 33:27

And Mrs. Casey's right, uh diocesan parishes, like when I go up with my, you know, with kids to communion, just because there's no way I'm leaving those three wildlings behind as we go up for communion. Um, the diocesan priest does give them a blessing, but uh the trad trad orders probably won't.

SPEAKER_03: 33:45

I don't know. Before my daughter made her communion, I at the SSPX chapel we went up to receive, and the and father gave my daughter a blessing at the SSPX. So I don't know if that's like a standard rule. I guess that would be priest, maybe priest dependent, you know. Like she came up, I was holding her, and he gave me communion, he just made the sign of the cross on her head and gave her a blessing. So I don't know if it's like I don't know if somebody else went up there like this. He was, you know, that's that's inappropriate. You're kneeling at the communion rail, could could lead to confusion. So I would say no. Yeah, for sure. Um, Catholic Unscripted said they they want to talk to us about Fuentas. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 34:24

Where where did you see that?

SPEAKER_03: 34:26

Uh in the locals chat. Oh, they're in the locals chat right now. No, no, no. Uh Nikki Vu said I heard Catholic Unscripted saying they're going to ask you about Fuentas. Okay, sounds good. Um, all right, guys, we'll see you on the other side. Come and join us on locals. If you're not already a local member, that's the best way to support us.

SPEAKER_02: 34:43

Let me let me post it in the chat here, real quick. And pin it. So if you're in the chat right now, just click on that link to head over. And uh, I'm gonna just start cutting uh streams off here. We'll start with Facebook.

SPEAKER_03: 34:58

Somebody's asking what we thought of the Fuentes and Piers Morgan thing. Watch it was one of the funniest interviews I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02: 35:08

For some reason, this didn't go out on your Twitter today. I would have swore I clicked it, but whatever.

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Uh recently renewed my local support for a third year, and this is the first time I.