Pax Judaica: The Empire of Spectacle w/ Dr. Deep State

Everything feels louder than it should, and somehow less real at the same time. That’s the tension we sit with as Dr. Haugen (Dr. Deep State) joins us to talk about spectacle, propaganda, and the slow spiritual cost of living inside an attention economy that never stops asking for your fear, your outrage, and your loyalty.

We dig into the core idea behind his new book, Saints of the Apocalypse: the apocalypse can look like distraction, not just disaster. From political theater and mass persuasion to the way online narratives “train” desire, we ask what discernment looks like when the world feels scripted. We also connect this to Catholic theology and typology, including St. Stephen, the Church’s historical memory, and how different readings of Romans 9–11 shape conversations about ecumenism and modern religious identity.

From there, we turn to the interior battle: hypocrisy as religious performance without divine content, the temptation to trade truth for comfort, and the urgent need to learn how to suffer well. We close by touching big themes Dr. Haugen explores elsewhere, including AI, the metaverse as a modern Tower of Babel, and Fatima as a warning against confusion that masquerades as peace.

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Transcript

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SPEAKER_00 1:06

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Trump As Spectacle And Psyops

SPEAKER_04 1:18

Oh my gosh, I wasn't sure where that was going. I had no idea. I was waiting, I was waiting for the thing to get lifted and see knickknacks and lobster under the tray. Yeah. That's what I was waiting for. All right. So Dr. Haugen, I uh I've been excited to uh to get you on. So I've been um a fan of your channel for a while now. I've thrown a few comments in the channel on on some episodes I watched of yours. Um, but I finally decided to uh get your number or get your email and reach out to you. And you and I got to speak for the first time on Saturday, and you sent me your book, and your book grabbed me right from the beginning. Um, but before we even get into that, I have to tell you, I have to give credit to you for something because I was very much wrapped into the spectacle of the Trump reelection uh campaign, and very much wrapped into like the this the spectacle of what they were doing to us. And I and I was like hopeful for the Trump administration to come in. And within like 30 days, it hit me like a ton of bricks. Like, oh my goodness, I fell for it. And one of the things that helped break me out of that was watching an episode of your show when you were talking about spectacle, and you guys were actually talking about the assassination attempt, and I was like, holy cow, this whole thing was just theater. And that sounds like a crazy thing to say, but the more I thought about it, the more that really, really like sunk in on me. And it it broke me out of that. And I'm very grateful for you, to you for getting me out of even considering the this whole Trump MAGA movement because I was it was it was very early on. I was able to get out of it, and I never never fell for it after that.

Meet Dr. Deep State And Origins

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Excellent. Well, thank you all for having me. Thank you, Rob. Thank you, Anthony, for having me. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I yeah, I don't like the quick word about that. I felt immediately that was uh Butler, I think it was the 13th of July, and I wanted to do something before Monday. I took Sunday off and I knew I had to get in there. Um, and yeah, I do deal with psyops, and I usually would like more background evidence. And I it's not what I do on my show, I do it on my locals channel a little bit more more recently.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

I I am terrible at introducing people. I should say, okay, so what I'm horrible at this. I'm really sorry. So what it's only been four years. What is your what is your show, your channel name?

SPEAKER_01 3:58

I'm Dr. Deep State.

SPEAKER_04 4:00

So this is Dr. Deep State.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

I've been around uh nine years here, come up uh in uh in August. It's been uh nine years, and I could give you a little bit of my background, but yeah, about the Trump thing. It was one of these things I knew I saw on queue the politicians. Now Trump is them, you know, the lion that roared. And I saw Catholics jumping into this. And I said, look, I just to before I get all of the evidence, I said, this is what I'm seeing. This is a total psyop. Just back off, put it if you just get the emotions on the shelf. And if I have to, I'll come back with the actual evidence because everything about this fits a tradition, a typical uh pattern of a psyop. And I did. I called it killing the uh uh magic bullet messiah. I think I came back within a month, and and I that's not usually my take. Uh so just quickly on the show, I started it. I have my PhD is in kind of deep history, deep state kind of stuff. So I was always gonna just do a scholarly and uh like the first year the channel was setting up as a course, kind of like that Professor Jang does kind of thing.

SPEAKER_04 5:12

Stuff I wasn't able to do that guy that's been shoved down everybody's throat for the past few months.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

But I didn't I didn't go viral with it, unfortunately, or probably fortunately, but um, so that's how I started out, and you know, there's it's a long story, but um, I've always uh looked at uh fringe kind of element of of politics called biopolitics and connecting that to technology and prophecy and scripture, and uh that led me and it's a long story into Catholicism, and then everything breaks open because you're operating with a proper ecclesiology, theology, eschatology. What were you before what were you before you converted? I was I was raised Lutheran, and I by the time I was 18, I can't even blame college before I probably set foot there. I was an agnostic. And uh I'll give a shout out to my brother-in-laws in Long Island over there. Uh we were playing around back this in 2012, 2013, and they were really into this stuff. And I'd never I thought I'd gone with my dissertation, and I it's called the Epistemic Community of Empires, doing comparative empire and trying to go deep, epistemic, deep networks. And I thought I was good. And they started talking about like, what are you guys talking about? You know, and we were on a ski trip and we were going deeper and deeper, and I'd kind of gotten into it for six months, and there was there was a magic point uh that I never thought when I woke up that morning I'd be I'd have a radical conversion, and that has to do with my brother-in-law's and us probing and everything, the deep state channel and you know my spiritual direction kind of merged into January of 2013.

Prologue Reading The Empire Of Spectacle

SPEAKER_04 6:58

Yeah, that's that's uh so okay. My daughter just ran down here. I don't know what she wanted, but I want I wanna I want to start this off by just because we we're talking about spectacle, we're talking about uh psyops and stuff like that. But uh so you send me your book. I want to actually just give people a little glimpse into oh, sorry, I got around.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

Is the book available currently?

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Yeah, it was released January this year.

SPEAKER_04 7:23

And it's called Saints of the Apocalypse, right? Yes, okay, so it's called Saints of the Apocalypse. So I so he sends me this book. I just want you guys to listen to this. This is the prologue. The world did not end in fire, it ended in distraction. The apocalypse did not arrive as a singular catastrophe, but as a condition, an atmosphere in which everything is visible and nothing is seen. We live inside a permanent unveiling that reveals endlessly yet explains nothing, where attention is harvested, desire is trained, and the soul is slowly starved without ever realizing it's hungry. This is the empire of spectacle, and it does not merely shape our politics, our media, or our economy or our economies. It shapes our imagination. It teaches us what to love, what to fear, and most dangerously what not to notice. Yet the spectacle is not the true enemy, it is an instrument. Behind every empire stands a power that prefers to remain unnamed, the ancient adversary who does not create but corrupts, who does not rule openly but insinuates, who does not destroy but by force but by imitation. He has always understood that the most effective way to kill faith is not persecution but confusion, not martyrdom, but distraction, not the denial of God, but the replacement of God with endless substitutes. The saints have warned us with this. This is, I mean, talk about something that grabs your attention because of the world that we live in today, where everything is just vying for our attention. There really is everything on our screens is telling us what to love, what to hate. We have influencers everywhere, uh, and almost all of them seem like those are psy-ops. And it just the the entire world constructed around us seems fake.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Increasingly.

SPEAKER_04 9:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Well, look at the look at the intro video. That's true.

SPEAKER_04 9:22

It is kind of ironic we're using AI as our intro videos. Um, but you did a really great job because over the last couple of years, uh uh I Rob and I have kind of been on this journey of discovering uh this this almost like hidden uh facet of scripture that I had never really noticed before. And it it it was something that we all, I mean, we've all read the gospels, we all grow up in in the Catholic faith, and you you almost like brush over it in the way that the faith is presented to us in modern times. But I started noticing this really hectic situation happening between Jews and Christians in the world, and I started seeing a corralling of Catholics going over to Jewish media, and I started saying something odd is going on here, and it just made me start diving into this it would seem like the entire theme of scripture and the golden thread that runs throughout it, which is this enmity between Jews and Christians, even from the the the old testament, and it's something that you touch on quite a bit on your channel, too.

Two Trees Saint Stephen And Vision

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Yeah, do you want me to go with that? I mean, what what yeah? Just run with it. I'm gonna go like a conversation.

SPEAKER_04 10:37

I'm not gonna ask questions.

Romans 9 To 11 Revisited

From England To Anglo American Empire

SPEAKER_01 10:38

I'm a terrible interviewer, but there's a lot of ways I could run with this. Yes, it starts with the two trees in the garden and it's playing out right now in our world and the identity, our ability to then identify it. And we can come and hit Saint Stephen, but the thesis of the book, what built Christian civilization is the ability of Saint Stephen as he's being executed, the vision opens up. Saint uh Saint Augustine, Saint Athanasius, Saint John Christostom are going to build that image, intertwine it with the transfiguration, and it will build the architecture, specifically with Augustine. The church's ecclesiology, its theology, its eschatology are built. That is the architecture, and it's the vision that guides us. The goal of the serpent, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the mystery schools, and we can go through all the typologies from Cain to Esau to the Pharisees and the modern Pharisees. They operate in that metaphysical and theological realm. So the ability to identify it is fundamentally, before we get into the emotions and the feelings and you know the political correctness, it's fundamentally theological and typological. And so that's our ability. The built Christian civilization, conversely and typologically, I argue, will blur and diminish. And however, I put it there on the St. Stephen chapter chapter, I think I put it more precisely, but it will emitize it into an earthly promise. And that is the plan of the serpent from the beginning, is to flip the script. If I had to continue, uh, just an interesting place where I find I try to not talk too long here on this one, but no, go ahead. Go ahead. Don't worry. What I'd be going on right now with uh the hierarchy, even the best meaning of them, is a lot of the discourse and our understanding is kind of not that clear. It really is the book of Romans 9 through 11. And it has to be viewed in its fullness to what's understood. So when I'm talking about the saints, all the way, I'm talking all the way, you know, from Saint Stephen all the way until Saint Colby and our Blessed Mother and Fatima, there was a it was the understanding that they're they're the enemy. So when Mo Nostreatate said they recognize that they pressed for the life of Christ, but what's omitted? Here's the trick about the blurring that took place with Nostroetate. They continue to kill Christ. That's what animates them, that's what they're about. That's rabbinical Judaism is a creation in opposition to the incarnation of Christ, and that is their mission, that is what they're called to do. Um, so when you start seeing that, you can see it play out in this in the saints. Help us see that. And again, I'm getting a couple different places. I want to come back to Romans. I do a locals. We have three shows a week. We have memory hall Friday. The church is so wonderful. The information it has between 1850 and 1950. A lot of it's in French and Spanish and hasn't been translated, but so much of it is there. They open your eyes to everything that's happening, but it has been memory holed. And this is, you know, by 1950, it was mostly pressed under in preparation of the springtime of the church. But back to Romans. So they had kind of a view of Romans 9 through 11 that recognized the enmity. They pressed elder brother, but what they did is essentially we have to live separate lives. And if you're coming into Europe, you you we need to live separately. And that's what, and then you see, and this is really pointed out in articles like Seville Catholica and a lot of the stuff I just referenced, that with that emancipation in the 19th century, there was a predictable pattern within 20, 20 years, it had conquered the economy of 80% of Europe, then the book dealers, the journals, academia, and it was almost feta complete by 1880, says Sevilta Catholica. So um that information, now we get a new kind of no striatate understanding of this, and it's technically, technically kind of correct, but it's blurred so far that essentially with Trads and everyone else, our understanding of that relationship between the church and the synagogue is essentially, I'm hopping all over here, what we could find in 17th century England. They had broken from the Catholic Church and they redefined the relationship between, we can call Christian and Jews, but I think more accurately, the Roman Catholic Church and Jews. And they'd redefined that. So the new friend that was gonna build the English Empire that required a new political theological framework of friendship building together. That was the new, this is what we're living through right now. This is the birthing of the Anglo-American Empire. It's pretty similar to the interpretation of Romans 8, uh 9 through 11 that we get in Nostrietate. That's what the British Empire essentially used. But the new enemy now that would really animate this was the Roman Catholic Church. So when we understand that that is embedded in classical liberalism at the base of both the British and the American Empire, we see this kind of political ecumenism that it always ends up with the Catholic faith being diluted and kind of channeled into their project. So one of the things a lot of people can recognize the dangers of theological ecumenism that's going on now. But the whole Trump thing and kind of just backing out of it, it's like there's an inevitable direction that is a Catholic, a traditional Catholic that wants to embrace the whole of the faith, you have to be really aware what you're hooking your train to there. There's a project in place and it will lead to AI and antichrist. So when you start seeing that, you kind of start, St. Anthony, having your time in the desert, before I say, Well, what should I be doing? Have a little delay time and just go, how did the saints understand and how is this being blurred in Catholicism through Nostriatate? Because it's mostly through uh omission, not this insistence that there is a perpetual, eternal enmity between the older son that for that that threw away their inheritance and is animated by the anger of what they have done in a metaphysical sense, and they continue the killing of Christ. And again, I say on my channel over and over, this is just a project over and over and over for this new world to begin. Christ must be killed in every sense, in the physical structure in the hearts and minds of believers. So I sorry, Anthony, I kind of went no, no, let Rob go because Robin the bit.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

So I got two things. Um first, you said that um they really gained power in Europe first, uh, in England. Was that in Italy? In in England, you said.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Uh yes, that was the linchpin for the modern empire because they weren't they chose it was in Holland and they chose to embed it, you know, it kind of shifted from the Spanish Empire. We call these the hegemonic periods and international relations. So it shifts from Holland or it's from Spain to Holland. That's the birth of capitalism. So I went down in my book, Metaverse, and just traced the construction. And so the financiers there were talking, not the typical Anglos, but already the Anglos on the fringe that were playing with the new millennial vision. And they said, basically, here's some money, here's a vision, here's a new theology, here's a new friend-enemy distinction. And with that, they had a new vision of a mercantile empire which would become the British and eventually the American Empire. Well what part of that, Rob, do you want me to dwell on?

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Well, just um, did they was England chosen because they had already broken from the church then? Did was that the reason, or did they help them break from the church?

SPEAKER_01 19:06

I guess what's there's multiple reasons, um, but one of them is geostrategic because Holland was on a landlocked thing around Catholics. And as far as a long-term plan, an island and the British Navy, it was they they uh calculated with the proper investments could more properly launch uh in both spheres an empire. Um but so there's multiple reasons there that they chose England, and I think with that, they chose the English language, and they were developing that around this time, Sir Francis Bacon, and he has his visions of a new Atlantis. So we'd really put the language of empire into Shakespeare and Bacon and so forth. And it's it's a language that's redesigned around thought patterns of empire. But one of the other critical reasons that I mentioned is uh Holland was surrounded by Catholic countries, and they really wanted just to kind of take that next leap over.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Is this this new English language of empire, is it drastically different from like the notion of empire and with like you know, the Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire?

SPEAKER_01 20:16

I think they're just pulling in perhaps more uh romantic root languages that would speak to you know an all-encompassing worldview that would kind of link back to the Greco-Roman empires.

SPEAKER_04 20:32

Yeah, one of my biggest issues with the trad movement, uh that that's really been bugging me uh uh of late, especially, is the is their failure to recognize this issue. It's like they'll they'll harp on Vatican II, they'll harp on all the problems in the church, but they don't get how important this element of the story is to everything. And you don't you even if you don't understand like the church's traditional teaching on this stuff, just look at it from a common sense point of view, where they reject Christ, the the the church or the church then gets formed, the Roman Empire converts to Christianity, they destroy the temple, and then they see God's grace poured out upon this new empire that covers the entire world. And out of enraged and with jealousy, that this this this structure gets gets put up against each other, right? You have these two peoples where one and the and we're claiming that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is our God, and he has blessed us, and his kingdom spreads over the entire earth. Now, they're from the in from their rejection of Christ, they're up against that system. So it's just I mean, this is just something you can just look at the story and see how that plays out. But then when you understand what the saints have said about it, and then what happens. Happens after World War II at that council and this blurring of this issue, it's even made Trads afraid to touch it because everybody is afraid to be called an anti Semite, and they're afraid to be labeled with this this late. It's just a label they're all terrified of. And if you don't recognize it, it's going to it's going to you're going to misunderstand the entire story if you don't see this element of it.

Egregores Mind Prisms And Mass Delusion

Hypocrisy Anti-Church And Lost Courage

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Yeah, a couple of quick comments. I mean, it it just intuitively, it kind of hits you when you hear that they're waiting for their messiah. It doesn't take too much thinking to go like that. Sounds like it would be antichrist without going into the topology, just of base logic. Yet so many people, evangelicals, are building it. And Catholic, you know, Catholics can at least kind of identify we're kind of not Zionists, or then there's Catholics that are going to play with words, and we will, you know, theologically, no, but politically, yes. And so they're murking up the water. But yeah, it's pretty simple. That uh, as you know, and you could even just again read uh Romans 9 through 11 through a traditional lens and kind of see that that's being constructed. And yes, you can have a generous view, and and in and God still loves them, and that there could be a mass conversion. The other thing I'll just comment. I mean, so I just yes, so the question is why don't people recognize something so obvious? So one of the terms I use, you know, I have the singularity book where I first mentioned this term, and then my metaverse book, because that's what they're constructing. This is the AI Tower of Babel that they're constructing. It's a technologically mediated ascension. So their their Mashiach is going to involve AI. It's part of their okay. So so how could like how could Christians, of any, you know, Christians like fall for this or this kind of modern interpretation, or you know, Scarfeld, Darby Scarfeld? How do they how do they fall for? So I come up the word egregore. Yeah, somebody told me we have to we have to have you explain egregor to us. And it creates a mind prism, and that's an egregore. And that mind prism can be dormant for a long time and be reactivated or triggered through sigils and so forth, and it can eventually be an entire God form. And so that's essentially um what people are attaching themselves to, and we get it through uh theological and political ecumenism. We attach ourselves to these thought forms, and the Trump delusion is a big part of it. And you know, people want to hang on that you know, some something that was written in the 1890s that we have to be involved. You know, we're really in time of, you know, we can discuss this. We're really in kind of mark of the beast kind of time. We really have to be extra discerning about the snares of the devil in this age of delusion. And so just following what's been memory hold helps you snack out of it to be wise as serpents, see their techniques, how they operate through deception. And it and the last thing I'll say about this is there's also a deflection through what characters that have been kind of put out there to blackwash the issue, everything from Hitler to Nick Fuentes, that if I start looking into it, I'll start acting like a mean, you know, hurt kind of person. Our locals community, we come in and you just see, no, you engage in love. Michael Matt uh, I think does a good job of leading the pack on this, and he'll say, Don't become one of them, because that's the technique. You have to learn to do this through the mind of the church, through love. And I'm not just saying that casually. If you can't do that, then you're probably better off just kind of being lost in the sauce if you think it's gonna trigger you. But people assume that, because that's been put out there for you. It doesn't, it gets you through that darkness into another level of love and doing what God commands us to do. Understand you need to identify the enmity because you need to pray for the good of the other to be saved. And you can't do that if you're just in this blur, be this Vatican II kind of blur, or this evangelical, you know, this Protestant, you know, dual covenant nonsense, which is really what the hierarchy is doing, always slipping through their language, a crypto dual covenant thinking. And once you kind of recognize it, because they cherry-pick these parts of Romans from 9 to 11, and they they pick the parts that will make their case, but it's always in omission of how the church has always understood this before you know the 1940s.

SPEAKER_04 27:04

Yeah, I I uh I've always um it's frustrating with the modern hierarchy, right? Like you have Bishop Barron coming out right at the beginning of Holy Week and talking about how Judas might not be in hell. It's it's it's like such preposterous. Dare we say it's it really is insane what what we're looking at right now. But even even the even the even the good ones, right? Like even even those those ones that we so somebody even said uh Bishop Williamson had told us about this years ago, and look what they did to him. They they like ostracized him for even speaking about this. But to your point, outside like this has had a total opposite effect of like developing a hatred. This has lit my faith on fire. Like, I've never been more like secret. I've been so on fire for my faith.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

And then it says, Anthony, at the end of the day, you're saying I'm willing to be martyred for this.

Learning To Suffer Like The Saints

SPEAKER_04 28:04

Yeah, that's exactly where I was going with it. So, like, yeah, the there's the the way you the way you uh explain it in in in the first chapters, especially with Saint Stephen. Like, Saint Stephen comes out, and Saint Stephen's like, you stiff-necked people, you murdered the prophets. Look at what you've done. And you see, uh, even Pope Leo came out the other day talking about war, and he did he made like a decent statement about about war, but he he frames the entire thing with just as in terms of the religious authorities not wanting to let go of power, and that's not enough. Like, it's not enough to see it that way. It's not just that these religious authorities wanted power, it's they knew who Christ was, like they knew that he was who he claimed to be, and they still chose to kill him. And it's it to just because they're they're always dancing around this topic that they've they they're afraid to even say the Pharisees at this point because we've been told the Pharisees is what is passed on, and that's the modern day Jews come from Pharisees. So they're afraid to even say the Pharisees at this point, so they'll just say use language like religious leaders. But the thing is, the we are going to need to be willing to lay down our lives for things that are coming down the path. Like, I had a I had a show recently where I kind of went off on younger trads for complaining about where their mass was and stuff like that. And I'm like, like, if you guys are complaining about that and you're not joyful in your suffering because things are going to get wild in the coming years, you really need to be prepared to have your faith on fire and and be willing to confront anything that's coming down the pike right now.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Another pattern along with what you're saying, Anthony. Um, every time you concede, thinking that they'll be fine and they'll they're gonna keep going. So this stuff really starts with, you know, uh, grab back here, Jules Isaac, you know, in preparation. He starts. I know you have you've had like Father Modsley on before and talks about writing. Christian to be purified. Him and him and the him and the the gang that you know were the architects of of Nostreatate. And he's saying, he is calling out individually most of the saints that I used. They especially hate like John Christostom, they hate Augustine. I took a rare saint in their staying, Agabard. I said, like, why'd I pick him? Because they hate him. I okay, and they call not if you first of all you can concede, okay, we're just going to ignore that part of what the saints have said, because you know, like uh St. John Christostom was the golden throat. Well, so you think that they'll be appeased by that, but no, the whole agenda is they think that all of these saints led to the Holocaust, every heir in civilization, and they're coming for it, and they don't stop at that. Marthew, Mark, Luke, John, the book of Acts, they want to purify the whole thing, and it just gets harder. And every time you concede, and so at the end of the day, uh, what Saint Thomas Aquinas would call this is a feminist, it's it's a being effeminate in the language that he would use, because you're scared to stand your ground. And when we think about the Great Deception, right, this is serious, given over to an operation of error because you do not love the truth. How can you deny this? This is the exact same thing you can trace. It's in scripture, it's in tradition, it's what built the Catholic Church from the blood of the martyrs. And you want to look the other way, like Gaza, and think it's gonna go away. And the rest of the world is slated to be Gaza. I'm sorry, that's a pattern that's just that once you look at comparative eschatology, this is Jerusalem is a microcosm of what what the grander project is going to be, essentially.

SPEAKER_04 31:59

So what you what you see going on in Jerusalem, that that's going to be everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Well, that's so you're gonna be at. I mean, we saw the writing on the wall, starting with, you know, even before this, but when the first group of kids at Columbia University started, you know, because every spring they get out there and get their, you know, protest on, and then suddenly they realize, wow, there's some group you can't do this for. And these thugs come out and they're beating them up, and you can't criticize them, and you can't even stop at that. You can't notice what's going on in the world. You know, this is gonna continue. There's a project in place. And if you have this kind of thinking where everything in the world is an accident, you won't get it. And I call I frame it as a cosmic conspiracy. It's running through scripture and the world, it's a war, it's against God, it's Christ and his church, God and man, Christ and his church. And there's an agenda which is to liquidate one in order to build the next. And it's in scripture, the fathers knew it. Uh, certainly the memory hold priests were really calling it out. Like it's it's pretty much too late. That is the fullness of the JQ. This is what they have always done, and they're doing it. When are we going to stand up for Christ? And the church bowed down.

SPEAKER_04 33:16

Uh, yeah, there's a reason Jesus is when he confronts the Pharisees, he calls them serpents, brood of vipers. He's he's calling them back to murderer from the beginning. Your father is a murderer from the beginning, right? He's telling them you are the seed of Cain. And Cain was a murderer. And this goes to Genesis 3:15 that the seed of the woman is the church, and the seed of the serpent are the descendants of Cain. And Jesus is calling them you serpents, you brood of vipers. How will any of you escape damnation? Yeah, like he's telling he's identifying them as the seed of the serpent right there, and it's just like it's completely vanished from from the well.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

We're supposed to follow Christ, we're supposed to love what Christ's like and call out what he called out. So, one of the things that's great is you know, to Protestants, he loved his mother, he was devoted to his mother. If you want to follow Christ, that's you know, a good, good, good kind of direction to go. And he loved truth, justice, beauty, he loved truth. He is truth. Jesus Christ, truth is a person, it's Christ. And um, he called out the Pharisees with no uncertain terms, as you just said, and we've lost that. That is what built Christian civilization and created through Saint Stephen the guiding light, the beatific vision, the heavenly vision. And that's being skewed to the extent, and it's a it's a provocative thesis, but you march it over time and it fits the pattern perfectly. The inability of Adam and Eve to identify the tree of good and the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life. Um, and there's this one other little point I wanted to make, but yes, um people say Christ didn't really hate anything except possibly the Pharisees. Um, I I don't think even in his human form he was capable of that. He was telling us, you know, the how to navigate the church where the snares would be. And uh Saint Stephen and Christ on their crow on the cross forgave them. We if you can't do this with a spirit of complete forgiveness and love, but I would invite everybody you have to go there if you want to, because like I said, uh Second Thessalonians 2 10, this age of a delusion, we want to not be given over to this operation of error. We want to identify the tree of life and good and evil because it's for our salvation. Scripture says right there, this is a salvation issue, it's really serious. So when we tie this to things like, you know, when Christ comes back, will there be faith? This is it, because people know this is the kind of stuff they will martyr you over. Um, and maybe maybe we have to kind of feel this out, you know, in terms of speaking about it, but it uh it's hard to preserve the faith over all, or just if we're just selfishly concerned with our own salvation. Um, but to hook this up fully, there's a competing idea, and I don't know if it matters, but that there will be, we need to pray for the conversion of everyone. And there's you know, two ideas about a mass conversion at some point. Um well, a unification of the brothers.

SPEAKER_04 36:34

I don't know what that mass conversion is.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

Yeah, the fullness of the gentiles. These are very vague kind of ideas, like the Protestants wanted to go with that to become friends and make the Catholic Church enemies, that fullness of the Gentile. But you know, Father Modsley has one view of this conversion, and Robert Sangenis has a different view, so it's not set in stone. But I would imagine if you fit this whole story together, that Christ is going to demonstrate this mind-blowing love because they were an instrument of God's will through time to sharpen us, and that I can kind of see Father Maudsley's view that there would probably be a mass conversion, although that is debated with among people.

SPEAKER_04 37:14

Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't it, even if it's not a mass conversion, what has to happen is um that they have there is going to be a segment of Jews who bow down to the church, yes, and and and kneel to the church because the yeah, like they will recognize what they what they missed out on. So there is there's there's a it's in the apocalypse where Saint John talks about, like he flips the Isaiah prophecy about the nations bowing to Israel, and he flips it around in the inverse where it's no, it's it's the the Jews who crucify Christ will then worship the true Israel, like they will bow down and worship the true Israel because we are the spotless bride of Christ. So I know that yeah, I don't know what the numbers look like on that, but there is some kind of a unification because what they're doing in Rome is very similar to what you're talking about with the Protestants, where when you see Francis doing this Abrahamic faith house, they're trying to bring about that unification of the brothers without granting them into the new covenant, right? So it's this, it's uh it's very similar to what the Sanhedrin does, is reading the scriptures carnally and trying to fulfill these prophecies in a human way. And it goes to the catechism, talking about the pseudo-messianism that seems like an a solution to our problems by elevating man to the place of God. I mean, that is the pseudo-messianism that's happening where the church is like, ah, we don't have to wait for God's time, we'll just make human fraternity work and we'll all just get together and be friends, and we don't have to all be brothers in Christ anymore. It's it's seeing seeing the church because one of the things you point out is how this takes place in the true church, right? And it goes back to Augustine and really Ticoni is talking about the wheat and the tares growing up into the same into the same thing, and it's such an important aspect of this.

Catholics 1973 And Future Pressure

SPEAKER_01 39:09

The Council of Trent made a point of that in in reference to the Protestant Revolution. They said, until the end of time, you know, the true church, Catholic Church, will have wheat and tares, and it's not our job to necessarily um really uprooting them would be the idea to purify ourselves from this. I'll make reference right here to something really cool I got today. So uh somebody sent me yesterday uh to new locals member, Pooh Bear. And I am yesterday, I'm getting I do a show tomorrow on locals where I it's called um connecting the dots. So this week I'm pulling in uh some kind of heavier stuff about the control demolition and some of the bombings, you know, kind of a little under and I'm doing that with uh the building of an AI structure and some some um cabbalistic interpretation. So I'm pulling these together and doing multiple things to try to prepare for tomorrow's show. And Pubert says, uh, have you, you know, here's a movie I want you to watch. Brand new member called Catholics, 1973. Never heard of it.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

I've seen it, yeah. I've seen it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it really very prophetic. It's okay, you know, just really quickly. So the book was from 72, it's futuristic, it's supposed to be like 1979, but it's talking about Vatican IV. So it's you're you're we're looking at projections of when we think of this, yeah, and that tension between obedience and consciousness, and it's just a wonderful film. And so my group next week. Um uh, I think the ending was a little weird. So the next week I'm gonna have people watch it and see what they thought about the ending. But yeah, this deals with these very difficult questions of where we're at right now.

SPEAKER_04 41:02

But I don't know anybody's never seen it, it's got Martin Sheen in it. Martin Sheen plays like a hippie priest who goes to this, goes to this cloistered.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Oh, because you were talking about ecumenism. Yeah, he's praying like in a lotus.

SPEAKER_04 41:17

He goes there and he's like, Well, Vatican IV says that we have to do this, like the whole thing's about ecumenism. It's a really it's from 1970.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

I really liked it a lot, and I I don't it I know it's ironic. I haven't really watched hardly any films in 14 years, and it's strange because I'm writing a screenplay right now, but um, I really, really liked it a lot because the way it looks at this projection. What are we gonna do when the hierarchy says no, it's just a symbol? What are you gonna do at that moment? And have you kind of even prepared for it? And you just see that it was it's I really enjoyed the film.

SPEAKER_04 41:52

Yeah, look, I the like the the thing because you I see um I see uh especially like the sedes and stuff, like they will obsess on what the Vatican is doing. And I'm just at this point, I'm just like nothing surprises me with them. Like, there's nothing they could do that would shock me anymore. I'm kind of just prepared for the the church has to suffer uh a death before there could be a resurrection. So I I almost don't even like I'm an accelerationist in it to a degree. It's like bring bring it down so so the so the church can be reborn, because it needs to be reborn. Things are so bad on a human level, these men won't even they won't even even the good ones that you think are the good guys, like they just won't even touch the one thing that needs to be talked about so that we can reclaim our Catholic identity because it it because I'm really sick of the Jewish question, I have to be honest. Like, we've been talking about it so much. Well, yeah, I'm yeah, it's just too important to not talk about because there's some people are talking about it in a way that is that is inflammatory and it is uh getting a little out of hand. So it's like it does need to be spoken about in a responsible manner by people who understand it.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

Yeah, I think like personally, on my journey, um I'm moving, you know, it'll still be part of the locals community because it fits into current affairs. I think you can't, it's hard to understand current affairs without understanding it. But I'm more interested in what you brought up is about, I think we need to think about how to suffer. And that's about the passion of the church. And you can kind of think that these were great thespians in this movie, Catholics, 1973, at the end, when they finally got the, they're gonna close it. Um, the Eucharist is just a symbol, and they're and now he said we're gonna go in and pray, and just this, the the look of suffering. And we don't want to go through that suffering, but that is part of our you know, uh sanctification. It's happening for a reason. We have to embrace the suffering. And so uh I'll just throw this out. Like what I'm working on is called um Via Della Rosa. Is kind of a type of passion. So it's an incident that happens in Nagasaki in 1597. And it's the first 27 martyrs that would you know taught uh began this uh several hundred years of the church going underground. And uh a new decree came out. There's 27 of them, they had their ears chopped off and were marched for a hundred miles and tormented. They ended up on the hill of Nagasaki, and you can pull a lot of resources to create a dialogue. But my idea, this is paralleling the passion, and it's gonna be 14 stages, and it's got this inevitability. We know where it's going. Um, and I'm gonna kind of connect it deep in my themes from my books in there. But the idea that I want to tell everybody now, beyond the Jewish question, get away from it, is we need to embrace. I know it sounds lame. We need to learn from, you know, we've all been in the spectacle. It it has conditioned us away from this. Um, we need to learn how to, I need to learn how to suffer. That's why I'm going through it emotionally myself.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

Especially Lent, right? Like we're in the reason I wanted to get you on because I I asked you to come on so quickly. Like I would have liked to get through the whole book to really uh you know dissect it with you, but I thought it was important to do this in the lead up to the trituum, especially, which is we had uh we had Father uh Maudsley on Saturday, and then this because the talking about the spectacle and and how fake everything is around us, like the only reality we really are going to have are the sacraments and scripture, right? And there's nothing more real than the Eucharist. And you you did a good job of explaining hypocrisy in in the early chapters of the book uh about what religious hypocrisy looks like. You want to you have that you still have because I know I don't know how long ago you wrote the book.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

Do you have any um give me an example, Anthony?

SPEAKER_04 46:00

Uh it's just like it's you you when you were describing hypocrisy, it was yeah, Saints of the Apocalypse, definitely worth getting, guys. Go and go and grab it if uh if you have a chance. I I read the um the prologue before it was phenomenal if you're just joining us now. But hypocrisy, it's like it has all because hypo hypocrites were actors, and uh yeah, it's like the the these men they wear religious garb and they perform the ritual, but it's emptied of its divine content, right? Oh and that and that's what I was getting from. And and it's like when I when I see so much, especially when they're toying with the liturgy the way they are, it's like the like to not see the uh a significant portion of the modern hierarchy as just hypocrites, and they are the Pharisees that Christ is speaking to in scripture because they wear the religious garb and they have these catchphrases that they'll talk about with loving the stranger and the immigrant, and but they are it's emptied of divine content, all the things that they're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, just to yeah, a quick point of that. Obviously, 1947, the speech by Bishop Fulton Sheen, the anti-church will have all the mannerisms, and that's you know what hypocrite meant in the Greeks. You have the outward mask, but you're faking it from inside, but uh, but it'll be emptied of its divine content, so it'll have all the motions, and we're moving in that direction. One of the great themes in this movie was, and this is a theme that we're working on in locals this week from from the metaverse book, but it's a change over centuries, but we can see it accelerating now from the purpose of the church being for the salvation of souls to the salvation of man, and that's where you get into liberation theology and all that. But you know, the uh, you know, this uh synod of synodality, you know, it's all those same touch tones, and now they're in the implementation phase, and yeah, we're living it, you know.

Fatima AI Metaverse And Mark Of Beast

SPEAKER_04 47:55

Yeah, it's it these are very crazy times that we're in. Um, so um I I didn't get to the Fatima chapter, but I know you had said to me that that's where you kind of bring it all home. And I'm assuming that it's because our lady talks about a diabolical disorientation and um uh because I didn't get to the Fatima chapter. What it how did you kind of wrap the St. Stephen thing in with Fatima?

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Well, one of the things that starts going on, though the the idea of the tree of good and evil, it's mixing those things. So their God, you know, this gets a little abstract. Ensof. Talk about a church that's divine, uh uh emptied of its divine contents. This church, you could call it the Antichrist AI church, it's bringing their God of forces, Ensof, into our reality. And um, their understanding of this God, it's so transcendent you can't name it. It's it doesn't have essence. That's literally what they're dealing with. And so that's literally would be the the the force that would come into this reality. And that's hard to even kind of think what that exactly means. Uh, but okay, with that chapter. So the dialectic works. Um, a lot of this stuff hit home in the 1200s. You have simultaneously this god that I argue in metaverse that's working itself, uh, Jacam De Forum. Um, there was a magic moment. Okay, let me just go here and I'll try to tie this together. Don't mind me yapping for a second. One of the critical moments I identify in the metaverse book is the beginning of uh the gospel being spread to the world by Saint Paul. And he begins his journey um at Aragapagus and he identifies the tomb of the unknown. That would become this just like so many times, the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman would be in the same womb, like Rebecca or Eve or something like this. So at this moment, he identifies what you call that. We this is the logos, and it's all things connect from there, and he puts it in the face, the incarnation on it. And for some people, it's like boom, and that would become the birthing of the Neoplatonic, it'd be the baptism of these Greek transient ideas that the church would baptize them, and it would begin Neoplatonism, the good kind that would be develops into Tonism. Exactly. The other direction would be the left-hand path that would take Neoplatonism into the mystery schools and so forth. And the mystery schools are the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They work because this god of forces, what they worship is both good and evil. So their whole belief system breaks what St. Thomas would call the laws of non-contradiction. So you can never call them out. It's infinite, uh, you know, plausible deniability. If you say it's X, it could be Y, it could be both or neither at the same time. That's their belief system. Whatever works to advance their will to power. And um, so that's they work through dialectics. And it's not, I know when people first hear it, it sounds like Marxist dialectics and kind of complicated, but what you know, one hand controls both and it's guiding you through history, through a certain direction. And it really gets birthed. So modern, I think Kabbalah to simply keep it real simple. Yeah, Kabbalah is like from the fallen angels. It's the serpent in the garden knew it. It's just simply the way to look at Christ's order of being and turn it upside down to invert it. That's simply what is happening over time. So um that idea comes in with the Sanhedrin, all at the same time, Maimonides, exact same time. If you look at Maimonides, who talks about Noahide laws, almost to a date, it matches the birth and death of uh Jacquem Deforum as if they're you know doppelbangers or something. So something strange is happening. At the same time, when this dialectic force is going to come into the world, it would become double-entry bookkeeping, and I don't want to take it in a million directions. Um, but it would start controlling the world economy through two different directions. Saint Thomas Aquinas comes about at this exact same time, identifies it, nips it in the bud, creates this law of non-contradiction specifically to address these ideas that are being spread by Jockham and essentially the idea that would become Lutheran Protestantism. He's taking the physical, visible church that has boundaries and essence, and they're making it the age of the father, that would be that church, but we're going to have the age of the son, the age of the Holy Spirit. All the boundaries disappear. This is like Telhard Deshidon. It's just everything's just this blah blah love. And it's really the end of Marxism, the end of this apostasy of uh this Jesuit apostasy is the same thing. It's the it's the direction of the Kabbalah eventually. It's just kind of a unity with the I know this part gets kind of heavy, but it's a unity with this God of this is the singularity, this is the ultimate vision of the metaverse. And I know that part gets a little hard for people to understand. Okay, well, so yeah, Fatima, you want me to bring this home. Fatima identifies, you know, I'm gonna argue that uh the third secret is both uh it's it's uh communism and Zionism. It's the two parts of it. So if they don't like this, they'll give you that. And that's what you know captured people during the Cold War. You don't want to be this, so we Catholics need to merge on this in this state of exception crisis. So just become just go with this liberalism, just you know, have have bread and wine with the Protestants and their wacky views. And um, and here we are. Um, and so really the it really it it it it it finishes with this idea that essentially it's a mark of the beast kind of thing, that the serpent, you are going to have to, are you gonna trade in the image of God for the image of man? And the prototype of this happened, you know, six years ago getting under the skin. And that's really we see that in talking about the hierarchy and how they caved on this and they didn't see it, and why is it important to see this stuff? You know, that was the that was the that rollout should have demonstrated the importance of knowing a little of the basic moves of this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 54:26

All right. So that's where we're gonna take it over on locals. I want to get into that a little bit because that was uh that was the genesis of my channel. Um was the was was that was the genesis of my channel. So I would I want to go over on to the other side and I want to get into some of the deeper stuff that you talk about over on your locals. Um and I I want to get into Kabbalah, I want to get into I want to get into some of the some of the crazier stuff. I want to know uh what Pax Judaica is going to look like because I know you have basically like uh uh Pax Romana, Prax Pax Britannica, and then Pax Judaica. So we're gonna get into those three themes on the other side. If you guys are not locals members, come check us out. Uh before we go, Saints of the Apocalypse, Dr. Haugen's book is the most it's that's your most recent book, Dr. Deep State on YouTube. Is there anything else you want to promote before we head over?

SPEAKER_01 55:16

No, that's cool. If you want to go to my channel, you can see my locals links over there. So yeah, that's that's my that's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

Yeah, this is uh this is good, it's gonna get interesting on the other side. So all right, Rob, uh find find something to take us out with, and we'll see you guys over on locals. I want to I want to jump into some of these deeper topics that we've you know we have to skirt around the the borders on YouTube with