Touch Grass: The Devil Is Using Church Drama to Keep You From Heaven (Full LOCALS Show)

The Catholic internet is in full civil war mode, and we’re tired. We start by naming the burnout and then get honest about what happens when the arguments stop being theoretical. A funeral turns into “Novus Ordo roulette,” Communion gets mishandled, and you realize why people spiral into anger and absolutist takes online. That lived experience sets up the bigger question we keep circling: how do you hold a clear moral position while still respecting real authority, especially when leadership decisions feel unjust or careless?

We dig into the SSPX fight, the pressure to choose a side, and why “measured” has basically become a dirty word on social media. We respond to a popular framing that tries to force a binary logic, and we explain a distinction that matters for faithful Catholics: you can despise a policy and still admit the Pope has the authority to issue it. From there we react to public scandals that make people feel like nothing is enforced, which feeds the temptation to justify anything and everything as “necessary.”

Then the conversation opens up into everyday life and the broader culture. We talk trad wife LARP content, the myth that careers automatically fulfill you, and why a healthy marriage is built on shared life and real presence, not performance. We also hit surveillance concerns with license plate reader cameras, and we close with a serious look at medical aid in dying, euthanasia creep, and why the Church’s teaching on suicide exists to protect people when despair feels convincing.

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Transcript

Burnout From Online Catholic Fights

SPEAKER_09 0:52

I am so tired of the SSPX and SETA conversation, man. I'm just so done with it, I'm spent. Oh my gosh. I was telling Rob in the green room, it's like now I have burnout on it, but it was cool to have like a topic to talk about for a couple of episodes because it's it's been it's just been like a content drought going on for a while. So it was like nice to have some stuff going on, but we lost a lot of local subs. I think all our SSPX uh fans are mad at us for not taking a strong stance on this thing. It's uh it's just an all-around crap situation. Yeah, it's just an all-around crap situation. Uh, no wonder this show runs at financial loss. Yeah. Um, I'm just glad we I got to smash some grass into JP3. That's that's Sadie Picante's uh puppet shape.

SPEAKER_10 1:50

I asked I asked Taffy if he could uh change it to where I blow away the stupid puppet with the gun. And um that'll get yeah, Taffy pointed that out.

SPEAKER_09 2:02

So so we are doing all right, so we're doing uh we're doing that on Tuesday. We just so all right, so we figured this episode we don't really like have like a this episode's just gonna be like home kind of all over the place.

Funeral Stories And Novus Ordo Roulette

SPEAKER_09 2:15

We're just gonna be hanging out talking about whatever the hell's on our mind. But um we Rob had a funeral this week. Um we had 4th of July over the weekend. So the thing is to get back into this, like this this next one really is a heavy one, so it's not like one that I could just listen to the audio of the encyclical on my way home from work and then just like jump on and riff on it. It's some very deep stuff. Like I so I bought this book, um The Church Speaks to the Modern World, uh, and it's um the social teachings of Leo the 13th, basically. And it's just it's just a very dense topic, and I kind of wanted to do how much did Ant Mako for Rob's funeral video? So I didn't know you wanted to post that, Rob. I but you sent it to us in the group chat.

SPEAKER_10 3:04

Well, more like I I let's just say I didn't want 100,000 people to see it, Ant.

SPEAKER_09 3:12

I didn't say who was where it was from, though. I just I think that song it brings back such nostalgia for me, you know.

SPEAKER_10 3:20

I wish I was using my my glasses, so I couldn't zoom in. I wish I could have zoomed in on the priest sitting there, like performatively singing along to it with his legs crossed.

SPEAKER_09 3:31

We could see his legs crossed, but I couldn't really see his face or anything, but it's uh you have to understand, my mom would play these Novus Ordo bangers in the car when I was growing up. Like, I have like my mom would play these songs, and especially after they got back from Mejigory when I was a kid. Like, my mom would really sing these in the car. When I die, I hope my nephew films the funeral for Cloud and Trad books.

SPEAKER_10 3:58

I didn't get the trad box.

SPEAKER_09 4:00

No, I stole so Rob sent us the video, and I was just like, this song is great. Like it's one of the uh it's like uh what do you call that? A um uh a guilty pleasure. You hear it, you're like, I hate this song, but really you like it.

SPEAKER_10 4:15

But why was it the responsorial psalm?

SPEAKER_09 4:18

Oh, I it was it? I didn't know yeah, it was. I thought it was like a communion hymn.

SPEAKER_10 4:22

No, that was that was the responsorial psalm.

SPEAKER_09 4:26

Um, so yeah, so Rob wanted to say, what Rob wanted to Rob wanted this title and topic tonight because both of us had uh last weekend kind of checked out of social media and uh just went and like lived our lives a little bit. And Rob took his kids uh quatting and four-wheeling and stuff, and I went and I went out on the boat and watched fireworks from the boat. And I actually have a story that I want to tell, but I can't tell it on this side. I tried to get into it with Hitchborne a little bit, and I I can't do it without you. Like I need you to to to bounce over like Hitchbourne.

SPEAKER_10 5:04

I tried to delve into it a little bit, but it just wasn't it wasn't wasn't the right uh he didn't know how to respond properly to the stuff he was saying.

SPEAKER_09 5:13

I don't know, it just would have been better if you were there because I could have like it's it was a very Anthony story, you know. So and uh I didn't know it is I didn't want to seem like I was gossiping with uh Hitchbourne. So I've I'll do it tonight over on the other side. But uh how how was your uh your time away?

SPEAKER_10 5:32

Uh the weekend was good. The weekend was very good. The funeral ruined it afterwards, but the weekend was good.

SPEAKER_09 5:40

Yeah, the funeral, man. It's like when you're going to a novus order funeral that you have no say over, you're you're playing Novus Ordo roulette. Like you don't know what you're going to get. It's a total disaster.

SPEAKER_10 5:55

It could be, you know, you could possibly this was the same church, same priest as my grandma's, and they told the priest they wanted it the same as my grandma's, the exact same. So I knew what we were walking into, right? But uh um we had asked the priest if he could say something about communion, because at my grandma's funeral, for those of you who didn't hear that a couple months ago, one of my family members who isn't they were probably baptized Catholic, maybe at first communion, but nothing after that. Um, you know, for 15 years. Uh one of them went up, well, one of them they all went up to receive communion, even though no one's practicing. And one of them took it in her hand and walked back to the pew with it.

unknown 6:50

Right?

SPEAKER_10 6:51

So after that debacle, where we asked the priest this time, could you say something about who can properly receive communion? She goes, No, I don't do that. It causes more issues. And then my my priest, man. Yeah, well, then my aunt, so um at the my grandma's funeral, my cousin gave a eulogy after mass. In the sanctuary still, but at least after mass. My aunt was gonna give a eulogy before mass, and so she asked the priest, could she, you know, she said, Okay, well then I'll I'll say something to everyone gathered about it, you know, before after the eulogy. He goes, No, I won't let you do that. He he literally forbid forbid it from being said.

SPEAKER_09 7:39

Like honestly, look.

SPEAKER_10 7:42

So what the third person in line went up, took the host, went right back to their pew. And didn't and didn't and then put it. Well, I don't know what would have happened if someone didn't tell them to, but yeah, it's uh dude, I uh man.

SPEAKER_09 8:00

It's it's hard to it's hard to um argue against the society's position. That's all I'll say. Like it's just you see stuff like that going on, and you wonder why these men even became priests, and you wonder what it is that they even like they have absolutely no concern for the faith whatsoever. Like zero.

SPEAKER_10 8:20

This this man does doesn't believe the faith. This priest does not, there's no way. Yeah, it's just hard to so so the that like I said, my aunt was gonna give a eulogy before mass. He's he starts mass, forgets all about the eulogy until after the first reading, remembers well, I sorry, until after the responsorial song that was actually on eagle's wings. Then he remembers about the eulogy, and instead of waiting for the end of mass, has her give it right then in between the two readings.

SPEAKER_09 8:54

So basically, your aunt gave the homily. Yes, essentially, essentially, essentially your aunt gave the homily at mass.

SPEAKER_10 9:03

And like the this is in the Archdiocese of St. Paul Minneapolis, and the Archdiocese is actually pretty strict on no eulogies in mass. Yeah, like in all their documentation, they make it very clear priests are not to allow eulogies inside mass. Well, this priest does what he wants, I guess.

SPEAKER_09 9:19

Yeah, I mean, we're I we're going to have to like for me, I'm going to have to leave like instructions in my will. You know, there's going to be instructions in my will of what I want done because I don't want any of this nonsense going on. I mean, my family's good enough that you know I don't have

Touch Grass And The SSPX Echo Chamber

SPEAKER_09 9:35

to worry too much, but it's just it's just crazy. I don't know. It sucks, but like the whole point of what what Rob wanted with the title was basically like go out and touch grass because getting off the internet for a couple of days, it's like you get away from the vitriol online and the Catholic drama, and because I've seen on in the past few days, there's just so much animosity on social media right now. Like people are there, like we I I try to take a measured approach with the society thing. Like the thing is, I I I have the position I have, right? And my my position is not that I don't like I completely understand the society, it's more just I think we are ruled by Cretans right now, but I think we are to be subject to them, and I think that's like how we're subject to them will like make us holy. But I may be wrong. Like, I don't know. I don't know. That's just kind of the way I'm I'm um and I don't have a dog in the fight with the society, like I don't go to a society chapel, so I'm I don't know. I tried to give a measured approach to it, but people don't want a measured approach right now. They want you to either be 100% in they just want you to agree with whatever they believe. Yeah, so people are just stuck in echo chambers right now. They're just stuck in echo chambers. And if you're I had that like this guy, Mark, that follows me on X, he watches our show all the time, and he's like, I tuned in for five minutes and had to tune out. These guys are Pope spleeners. It's like, you think I'm a Pope spleener? Are you insane? Like, in no way would I defend any of the garbage coming out of the Vatican, any of the garbage Leo's doing. My position is just that

Authority Versus Agreement On SSPX

SPEAKER_09 11:20

okay. So we'll you know what, why don't we do the Esquire video real quick? Because uh, like I I Catholic Esquire is my friend. Like, I I watch all of the stuff he puts out, and he put out a video today that I was I like the argument didn't logically follow what he was saying. Uh so I it's a one-minute clip. I want to just play the one-minute clip because it the way he's framing it is an improper framing. And let's just go through his clip and then I'll I'll I'll I'll speak my piece.

SPEAKER_06 12:00

All right. In this video today, we're gonna look at this because it's very apparent. If the SSPX was wrong for consecrating bishops in order to preserve the Catholic faith, to keep tradition alive, in the face of the errors of the second Vatican Council and everything that sprang from the second Vatican Council, including the new mass, if the SSPX is wrong about that, then logically speaking, according to all the critics of the SSPX, and I'm talking about Taylor Marshall, Eric Sammons, um uh Joseph Shaw, all of these guys who claim to love tradition, who claim to love the traditional Latin mass, who claim to be submissive and obedient to Leo, all of these guys need to accept the logical consequence of their position, and that is uh the traditionus custodis is correct. And so if they come out and claim that traditionus custodis is wrong, and yet the SSPX is wrong at the same time, that is a major violation of the law of non-contradiction and hypocrisy.

SPEAKER_09 13:15

Okay, so pause it. So, all right, so the thing is I think Leo was wrong to not let them consecrate the bishops, right? Like, I think Leo was Leo should have let them consecrate the bishops. I agree with the SSPX that all of this stuff is rooted in the Second Vatican Council and the revolution that took place there. Like, I agree with the society's position. My position is not that Leo did the right thing here. My position is just that Leo has the authority to either give them a mandate or excommunicate them if they don't have the mandate or whatever, right? So it's it but it also doesn't follow that just because I think Leo is wrong, that means the SSPX is right. Like they're right in their argument, but that doesn't mean they're right to go about the consecration without the papal mandate. Now it it's it's just such a tricky topic because I agree with the society in substance. Like I go back and I listen to Lefebvre and I'm like, holy crap, man, like everything this guy's saying is correct. Anyone who loves the traditional mass, like for you to for you to not give Lefebvre like like without Lefebvre, we don't have the traditional movement the way we do right now. Like it just doesn't, like, we probably would have never got some more in pontificum without Lefebvre, all of that stuff. Lefebvre is like the reason that the traditional movement took shape and and had any kind of form, right? And it's like to to just because I think Leo is wrong for not giving them permission doesn't mean they should just take that authority upon themselves and do it without permission, if that makes sense. Like it's not I don't know. I like I don't I don't like the way he's like, and of course, I so even okay, so with traditional custodus, right? He's saying if you think the society is wrong, then you have to think TC is right. It's like, no, I think TC is trash, but I also do think the Pope has the authority to promulgate the document, TC. Like he's the Pope. So even though I hate the document, I still think the Pope has the authority to put it out. And that, and just because I think the document is unjust and cruel doesn't mean that we have the right to go start having illicit masses and do whatever we want and disobey it. So, like to some degree, we may get stuck going to a novus order or finding a Byzantine liturgy or whatever we have to do to survive. My point is that the Pope does have the authority. And uh and the only other position you could take is that the Pope is not the Pope. And I don't I I don't I don't see how you know I don't I can't take that position. And yeah, I don't think you have to go along with TC and think TC is uh a logical, like logically that the TC is correct. None of that. I I think that we're ruled by Cretans right now. So play play the next the

Gay Blessings Clip And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_09 16:15

next video above that. It's actually Catherine and Mark from Catholic Unscripted uh looking at a video out of England of a gay blessing at a novice ordo uh with a cardinal there. Which is like when I saw this video, it's like you know what? It's like I yeah, uh they could if they could do something like this, if they could do something like this without consequence, like the SSPX should do whatever the hell they want to do. Like, I I'm almost at that point when you see something like this.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Giving thanks, that the church offers blessing to those who seek it in spirits and in truth. We ask, oh God of love, that your grace come down upon Julian and Martin as they mark the 50th anniversary of their relationship with no love and continue to be generous.

SPEAKER_04 17:13

Say that you can't bless couples, you can bless individuals. You know, like isn't that isn't the it very clear in Fidocia Supplicans that you can't do exactly what they're doing here?

SPEAKER_03 17:25

Yeah, well, so Bishop Moth, what's gonna happen now? That's the question, isn't it? We could look at this all day long, but it happened, and it happened with a cardinal and the church in Westminster.

SPEAKER_09 17:39

And I'm watching I'm watching Popesplainers say, Well, they're clearly doing something against church teaching. And it's like fiducius upon not give permission to this, so they're going against church teaching. It's like at this point, who cares what the document says? They're clearly doing this anyway, and there'll be absolutely no consequences whatsoever.

SPEAKER_10 18:01

Nothing's gonna be done about it.

SPEAKER_09 18:03

Absolutely nothing. So the whole point of the document was to give cover for guys to go and do this and then just go, oh, we misinterpreted the document. It's this nonsense trash that comes out. So now you look at the society's position and they go, Oh, yeah, let's yeah, okay, we can't do it. We're gonna like the society's like, we're just going to be Catholic, uh, and we need bishops, and we're just going to continue on with the mission that we've been doing since 19 whenever Lefebvre started, the the the society was in the 70s. Like, they're just going to continue on doing what they're doing. And you have to, in some respect, just go, yeah, all right, man. Like, honestly, the the the infighting I'm watching in the Catholic world right now is so insane because people are losing friendships over this, and it's like, I may have like my opinion on on like, yeah, the Pope probably has the authority, maybe they shouldn't have done this, but like, I don't look at guys that go to the SSPX any different. Like, I don't think they're schismatics and not Catholic. I just I'm just like, uh, I don't know. Technically, I probably would side with the Pope has the authority. That's just where I kind of fall on that side of the argument. But I don't, I mean, you see trash like that, and you're just like, we are living like if this isn't the great apostasy, I don't know what the hell the great apostasy is gonna look like, man.

SPEAKER_10 19:20

It can always get worse, eh?

SPEAKER_09 19:22

It's going to get worse. That's the thing. It's going to get worse, it's absolutely going to get worse. It's just, I just I don't know, man. This is like that. Is what the hell is that? That's worse than any Anglican service I've ever seen. That is horrific what we just watched. Yep. It's just it's just insane. So I don't know. Yeah, I like I'm I'm tired of talking about this topic. I don't I want to drop it and I want to leave it alone. And I I don't want like I don't want to lose friends over this crap. Like, we all know the inside. Like, honestly, I hate the freaking Novus Ordo. And part of the reason I hate the Set is because all they do is shove the Novus Ordo down my throat. It's like I don't want to think about the Novus Ordo. I don't want to look at it. I just want to live my Catholic faith the best I can. My SSPX priest went above and beyond to take care of my son from his birth to death, where I live. Not a single Novus Ordo priest would do what they did. So uh Joe Boca went so Joe Boca was going to the society for years, and then um he he started he had like uh a security gig where he was working night. So he was I was seeing him every week at the uh diocesan TLM. So he's because the diocesan's way later in the day. There's one at 11:30 and there's one at 12:30. So I was seeing him at the diocesan Latin Mass for like the past year because it's just easier for him to go. He's staying up late at night working security, and then he goes to that. So he hasn't been to the chapel, to the society chapital in about a year. And he went after the consecrations and he said, Um, father, like chased him, chased him down. He's like, Joe, where have you been? You know, and he and he was just like, you know, he's just very concerned for his soul and very concerned for him. So it's like, yeah, like you're talking about priests who have genuine care for souls. You're talking about priests who have genuine care for the Catholic faith, and to put that up against the garbage we just watched, I don't know. Like, I don't honestly, I don't good for good for the I'm glad they did what they did, whatever. Go at it, guys. The gays or the SSPX? The gays are gonna end up in hell. That's all I know.

SPEAKER_10 21:28

But I can't I can't not according to the church, yeah. No, according to the church, the SSBX are gonna end up in hell.

SPEAKER_09 21:39

Uh it is, dude. It is just such a crap show right now.

SPEAKER_10 21:43

But remember, the Orthodox can give you confession, but the SSBX can't.

SPEAKER_09 21:48

Yeah. Yeah, it's like, and then um we'll we'll cover a few things before we head over to locals. We're gonna probably do a longer local show tonight. We'll do a short YouTube show tonight. Um What else did I put in here?

SPEAKER_10 22:01

I have I threw some uh I threw that that that

Anniversary Trip Plans And New Toys

SPEAKER_10 22:05

I love how we talked about the topic for 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_09 22:08

Yeah, because I don't really want to what the actual show topic? Yeah, the show topic. All right, so we can do that. Um well I can't talk about last weekend because we're gonna do that on locals, but uh tomorrow's my 21st wedding anniversary, so I have off of work tomorrow. And I'm leaving my house at 8 a.m. And I'm leaving. I can you pull up a map of Long Island? Maybe I should do it and share it because then I could use my my arrow pointer. Um so I'm heading to um I'm I'm heading um me and my wife are leaving in the morning to go to um Greenport. Let me see, Matt Long Island, let me see if I can pull this up. Let me see if I can share a screen here. Share a screen. There we go.

SPEAKER_10 23:09

I could do this. I got this, guys. I can do this. This is this is big guys. What kind of map is this?

SPEAKER_09 23:17

I don't know. I'm just pulling something up so you can see. This is terrible. Oh, you can't even see my pointer on it. There's no point in doing this. You got a better map. Pull up a map of Long Island. I thought I could, I thought you would see my uh all right. So you're gonna zoom in about halfway on the island on the south shore, and you're gonna see Patchog. Uh it's gonna be uh further uh uh east. So all right. So now you see Long Island, right? You see the bottom of Long Island, and then you see that barrier beach, right? And you see that body of water in the middle, right? So you all right, so that barrier beach, that's fire island. Uh and you have the South Shore, so that that barrier beach, that you have that's the barrier beach right there. The ocean's on the side where your arrow pointer is.

SPEAKER_10 24:04

Oh, Cherry Grove, that's the real game.

SPEAKER_09 24:09

Okay, so where your arrow is is the um Atlantic, okay? Yeah, yeah. Uh on the inside, on the other side of the barrier beach, that's the Great South Bay. So right about where you are is um, it's probably a little further east, is Patchog. So go Patchog Bay right there, Patchog Bay. So I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna go in the Great South Bay and I'm gonna head all the way east. Um, so go east, go east, further, further. Now you see that little crack where it leads out to the ocean right there, right there. That's Rich's inlet. So I'm gonna go from Patchog out to Merch's Inlet. I go out onto the ocean, and then I go further east on the ocean. Because if I stay in the in the Great South Bay, I have to go five miles an hour the whole way. Keep going all yeah. So go, I'm on the ocean tomorrow. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Right there is that's the Shinnecock inlet. Okay, so I come in the Shinnecock inlet there, then go north, and then you see that channel right there that goes into that next body of water, those are the locks right there, okay? I have to go through those locks and then into the Baconic, which is the in between the two forks, and then I gotta go all the way east, and I gotta go basically almost to Montauk. And you'll see Greenport on the north side of the south side of the North Fork is Greenport, all the way out. All right, and that's where I'm gonna head. It's a it's gonna be like a three-hour journey with a long ride on the ocean tomorrow. So we're getting up about 8 a.m. to go because it we're getting thunderstorms and bad weather in the afternoon tomorrow. So I'm getting up early, it's my anniversary, 21 years, and we're gonna take that trek, and then we're staying uh in Greenport for the weekend. And I'm going to not touch grass, but I will be touching plenty of water.

SPEAKER_10 26:04

I have a bunch of cousins coming up and renting a house about half an hour away from us. And I'm gonna get up really early on Saturday and take the the quad, the side by side. How long do you have it? Oh, I I bought one yesterday.

SPEAKER_09 26:21

You you bought it. So Rob last week, he's like, I'm renting one to see if I like it. And uh, if I like it, I might buy one and he might have buying it. Good for you, man. They're so much fun, aren't they?

SPEAKER_10 26:34

Uh it's a lot of fun. The one I rented over the weekend was much more of the like workhorse on the ranch sort of ver, you know, uh side by side. And it was not super fun on the trails. Like it was it was rough riding on the trails. So uh the one I bought is much more of a much more for the trails and should be a lot funner up here.

SPEAKER_09 27:00

Yeah, my uncle had my uncle had like a like seven of them, right? You know, like my uncle had a garage full of quads and side-by-sides. When you came, I think there was only two side-by-sides left. You used to have like five of them, but he had a a thousandcc razor two-seater. That thing did zero to sixty in like three seconds.

SPEAKER_10 27:23

Mine's uh a thousand cc four-seater. Yeah, think of it as it's not, it's not uh it's not razor, it's uh can maverick, but it's the same style, but it's four-seatered.

SPEAKER_09 27:34

Dude, they're so much fun, man. We would, I mean, I we would go out drinking and driving on the property. It was so bad. So many accidents. I had we went up one time, it was like all the guys from work went, and we we go and we're we're driving them out. There's like these power lines out up on my uncle's property, and we're flying on them. And uh they had they cold one of the quads collided into one of them, and my friend went over the front. We had to have them airlifted out because we couldn't get him back to the house with the freaking helicopter, had to come out by the freaking uh the the power lines and pick them up, and he got airlifted out. They charge they charge him 40 grand for that helicopter ride.

SPEAKER_10 28:14

Yeah, every time I heard every so because I know your uncle sold the he sold the house up there, but uh every time you went up there and used those things, you broke one broke every single time. Every time it was it was it was never like it's like what you know, ant's gonna have to come here and you'll have to take him on, like, yeah, but he's not allowed to drive, he breaks well.

SPEAKER_09 28:35

I never broke one, I never broke one. That's what's funny. It was always people I brought that used them, and they broke them. It was every time it was either my brother-in-law broke it or my son's friend broke it. I never broke any of them, but they were never like $500 fixes, they were always like $2,500 fixes. And my uncle was so bad at me every time he always paid to fix it too. He never took money from me. It was just so nuts. But they're so much fun, they're just dangerous, man. I mean, you're um you're gonna be careful on it, but like we would use them. Like my son's friend was drinking and driving on the thing, and he hit a tree stump and he freaking bent the whole frame on it.

SPEAKER_10 29:13

Well, so Hope's nieces were killed on one, like three on a quad though, right? Not no, it was a side-by-side, really. So it took all it took a long time before Hope was comfortable with this idea.

SPEAKER_09 29:25

Yeah, yeah, you just have to be cautious on them. I know a few people that died on quads. I I know at least three people that died on quads. I had I had one friend, one friend is paralyzed from them. I have another another uh it was like a total freak accident. Was um my my wife's cousin's friends, they were up on their house up at their house using them, and he was just like riding it from the driveway into the garage to put it away, and the thing just took off and he and he hit a tree and wound up dying on it. And they're very like quads are way more. I always got nervous with quads, but at least the side by sides you put seat belts on, like the seat belts, helmets, yeah. Yeah, like helmet, seat belts, the thing always had a roll cage on it. So, like I like I've seen guys flip them and they're they're okay. You know, you just gotta be careful on them. But um, yeah, it's just like when you turn the social media off and you get out of your house and you go live a little bit, you kind of forget all this crap is going on, and then you're just reminded of it if you gotta go play novus or roulette. Like if you're if you're if you're not at your home place where you like to go to mass, you're gonna you never know what you're gonna get.

SPEAKER_10 30:31

What really um I I won't say like it didn't anger me, but what like bewildered me was seeing the number of of people, especially people who claim to want to live traditional lives, post about this sort of stuff on the fo literally on the fourth of July.

SPEAKER_09 30:49

Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 30:50

Like, yeah, that's nuts. Like, yeah, how what how what could be more modernist than a lay person complaining about church politics on the internet on the you know on a major national holiday?

SPEAKER_09 31:04

50th anniversary of our country. It was a dude, we we were out and just like you like I saw some of the videos you you sent me, and they you're just like walking around, it was like such Americano. It was like like small town Americana, just people out walking around the town, you guys are just all hanging out, and you know, you stay for a fireworks show and stuff. Like, there's something very um in just getting people together like that. The Fourth of July, I do like for that reason, right? Like you get you get groups of people together, everybody pulls their lawn chair up, and they just kind of you know pull up a seat and they watch the fireworks. Like, we we watched them. I gotta tell the full story on the other side because I can't really tell it. But like me and my wife were watching them from the boat. We had people that were supposed to watch them with us, but they didn't, they they had a blowout, and so we dropped them off, and me and my wife go out to watch them, and we're just sitting on the boat, dude. And from the South Shore of Long Island, you're on the you're on the coast of Long Island, and there's 30 fireworks shows going on all up and down the coast, and you're just seeing the whole skyline lit up, and then out of nowhere, these two bolts of lightning, like I'm talking cloud to ground lightning, hit the water like a couple of miles out from us, and it was it was it lit the sky up more than the fireworks. And Nicole, we gotta get off the water right now, like and then we get off the water, and I'm talking 80 mile an hour winds come blowing through, dude. Like people's trees got knocked down, and it was it was literally a 10-minute storm where these winds came through, people's trees went down. Uh, my in-laws, there was a guy had a bonfire on the beach, and they live on uh they live, they have like dunes by their house. They're on they're up on like dunes, and the wind came in and blew the fire onto the dunes. The dunes, because it was so dry and hot in the days leading up, the dunes lit up totally engulfed in flames. They would have lost the entire dune if it wasn't for the rain that followed the wind. Like the the it was all over the news. The the whole like half the dune burned up, and then all of a sudden it started raining and it put it out, thank God. But everything was just like bone dry because we had this heat wave that came through before that. It was we I had Bobby and my sister out the week before. We had we had a week-long heat wave where it was a hundred degrees out, man. And Bob Bobby came out. Uh, we took Bobby and Chrissy out right after they got engaged, and we're out on the water on the sound on the north shore of Long Island, and it's nice and cool because you're on the sound and the and the cool breeze from the sound. We took the water to Connecticut. As soon as we pulled in the marina in Connecticut, it felt like we were driving into an oven.

SPEAKER_11 34:00

It was like this heat just hit us.

SPEAKER_09 34:02

We were like, oh my gosh, man, how are we going to handle this? We got off the boat, we ate something, we were literally all fanning our faces like this. We were just like, it was just dreadfully hot. We couldn't even stay there. We ate something real quick and just got back out on the water because it was so freaking hot in Connecticut. But yeah. Um, so we have a few topics we can cover though. Um, there uh on the other side, I figured we could do it. I wanted to do that that black woman who shot the veteran in the parking lot. I wanted to get your take on it.

SPEAKER_10 34:37

Why? I don't I don't think there's enough info to have a good take on it.

SPEAKER_09 34:44

Or should we do the trad the the trad wife thing real quick? So go up either one, whatever you want to do.

Trad Wife LARP And Media Fear Stories

SPEAKER_09 35:00

I want to do the trad wife one because this one's an interesting one.

SPEAKER_10 35:06

It looks like a video of an annoying woman.

SPEAKER_09 35:08

It is an annoying woman. Of course it is. Of course it's an annoying woman. Let's play this one.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Where are they hiding the 47-year-old trad wives? That's what I want to know. That's what I think about every time I see one of these videos from like a 19 or 20-year-old um talking about having no job and no degree, and she loves it and it's amazing. Where are the trad wives that are my age, that are 47, that are 50? Why are they not out there espousing um how amazing?

SPEAKER_10 35:35

Doesn't she realize most 50-year-old women aren't on Instagram?

SPEAKER_09 35:39

Like she's exactly what it is. Like, I I played this with my wife before, and I'm like, I'm like, she wants to know where all the 47-year-old trad wives are. She goes, We're not on the internet. That's like oh my gosh. So the ones that are 20 are doing a LARP, right? Yeah, so there it that's what it really comes down to. So, all right, wait, I I'm gonna I I sent one to our um uh because I want to send you this. Like, there's the there's the the 47-year-old trad wives are are watching us, they're not online. So I'm gonna send this one to the telegram because it's it was in our group chat, but um, I want to read this article, pull this article up. This is totally insane. I just sent it to Telegram. Yeah, I got it. So this this like the young girl trad wife LARP is a thing, right? And it's these young girls who get on the internet and they're baking cakes and they're doing all this stuff, and it's like it's a LARP, they're not really trad wives, like they're on the internet and they're they're e-girls, right? This that's a very different thing than a genuine trad wife, right? A legitimate trad wife is just at home, like caring for her home. So um, this this article is infuriating. So divorce, destitute, and left for dead, the dark side of trad wife life after 35. Divorce was analogous to a curse word for uh Anitza Templeton's hyper-traditional fate-centered home, with her husband hailed king of the castle, almost rivaling the holy trinity between God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Templeton, who married at age 26, eagerly abandoned her dreams of pursuing a career in art to instead satisfy her mandary command. I mean, that's my wife. She abandoned her career in her art. First off, there's no such thing of a career in art. Exactly. From growing the family's produce in her private garden, like this woman is describing a an idyllic, beautiful life. Growing growing the family's produce in her private garden to gussing up in a sexy outfit and cosmetics before he came home from work. The brunette's routine became that of an extreme 1950s homemaker, obeying baking, and baby making. First off, I don't believe a word of this. This woman did not do any of these things. This woman is a hag. No, so I don't believe any of that. Um, so it's a regime that most traditional or trad wives follow based on religious principles. Unlike housewives, women who raise kids and manage their households as equals to their working spouses. Like, come on. Women who raise kids and manage their households as equals to their working spouses. Trad wives often become subservient subordinates whose sole purpose is to please their partner. This is not, I don't know, maybe this exists, but like the the the the a trad wife's duties are through her home. It's like it's just so dumb. It's such a caricature and a cliche. Um, but by 36, Templeton found herself feeling like a prisoner in her marriage, which ultimately ended in the once taboo D-word. And the mother of four shared that her biggest challenge post-divorce was navigating life without a solid education, professional resume, or real-world experience. The New Jersey native is just one in the one in the rising army of former trad wives who, after saying, I do to a life of submissive servitude, like oh man.

SPEAKER_10 39:19

What's that stupid show?

SPEAKER_09 39:20

Um oh with the uh Gideon or something, right? The the uh the the with the red yeah yeah yeah. What is it? The the housemaid thing handmaid's tale.

SPEAKER_10 39:34

Ham yeah, that show one-shotted women so bad, so bad. No, I know I don't know, I don't know if it gets into it, but I notice so far they haven't told us anything about this divorce as to not listen to me.

SPEAKER_09 39:52

They do not they can't list a single thing the husband did wrong. Like the husband's out working all day, the wife has a garden and she looks pretty for him when he comes home. My goodness, the horror. How could she live a life of subservience to her husband like this? It's like, dude, my wife. Uh I come home and my wife, like yesterday I came home and my wife decided she was going to paint all the doors in my house while I was at work yesterday. And I come home, my wife is covered in paint. And I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, I decided to paint everything today. And like that, like my wife does what she wants to do. It's not like she's I I some days I come home and she's in the backyard in the garden and she's gardening and doing her thing in the backyard. She's not sitting around as my sleep, like especially now at this point in life. Like, she's just literally does what she wants to do, and she and every woman I know that goes to work is miserable at work. Like, they're not nobody wants to work. I don't want to work. Why would anybody work? I would give anything to not have to work. It's so insane that people think that they want to work. Guess what, guys? Careers aren't fulfilling. Stop telling people they're fulfilling, that's they're not fulfilling. That's really what it is, right? So people think you're going to be fulfilled in a career, and you're definitely not.

SPEAKER_10 41:11

I like my job you think you want them to be fulfilling because your normal life isn't fulfilling.

SPEAKER_09 41:16

That's what you're getting wrong. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 41:18

Your wife outside of work is supposed to be fulfilling, right?

SPEAKER_09 41:21

So, like, I am not, I don't, I dude, I go to work, it's just a way to provide for my family. Like, it's just all it is, it's just the thing that brings the paycheck in to pay the bills, to do the thing I actually care about, which is being a husband and father. Like, that's my purpose. My purpose is being a husband and father.

SPEAKER_10 41:37

I don't give a they're the opposite of affiliate.

SPEAKER_09 41:40

Yeah, absolutely, man. Like, whoever's feeding anyone this nonsense that, like, you're gonna be fulfilled from your career. Like, men aren't fulfilled in their career, it's so dumb. People who say they be bored at home are boring people. Yeah, my wife's never bored, never, ever, ever bored, ever. Because I I watched the clip of um uh LeBron James recently, where he was like, It's like, I don't know, I could I couldn't have my wife just sitting. I I could never marry like a stay-at-home girl who like is just sitting around on the couch all day while I'm out working. And first off, the man doesn't know what working is. But but the point is, like, I've never, I'm not kidding. I'm married 21 years tomorrow. I have never once come home from work and my wife is sitting on the couch. Never once. Like, my wife doesn't sit on the couch. My wife is always doing stuff, she's constantly doing stuff. I've never seen her not busy. She's got a ton of stuff to do at our house. She's constantly doing my freaking like my I can't tell you how often the furniture is changed around in my house. And then I'll come home and um it's I'm numb to it now because it happens so often. And I'll come home and I won't notice that the whole room is rearranged. And she thinks I'm like, I don't she, I she's just like, How do you not notice that I change it? I'm like, because you change it twice a week. I'm like, I don't know. You had it like this last week. It's like, how often can you change the furniture around? And you think I'm still gonna notice? It's not something that crazy. I don't know. She's moved her computer desk from the dining room to the living room to the bedroom 87 times in this year alone.

SPEAKER_10 43:22

Meanwhile, Ant's changed the studio once on this show in four years, and it was the most controversial thing he's ever done.

SPEAKER_09 43:28

It really was. I upended my entire house to put this studio together. Um, all right. So and Templeton shared that her biggest challenge post-divorce was navigating life without a solid education, professional resume, or real world experiences. The New Jersey native is just oh, we went through all this already. Um so there aren't a lot of trad wives over 35 or 40 because the the reason I put this article after is because this is a response to that woman asking where all the 47 year old trad wives are. There aren't a lot of trad wives over 35 or 40 because. They've either got divorced and moved away from the lifestyle after learning how toxic it can be. Templeton, now 43, a woman, a women's advocate, currently based in Denver. So this woman was a conservative trad wife, and now she's a women's advocate. Like this woman was always a freaking women's advocate.

SPEAKER_10 44:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 44:18

Get out of here. Online discourse around the uh around the former trad wives erupted recently after Jessica Valenti, a New York City feminist speaker and author, asked a seemingly lighthearted question on social media. That's a video we just watched. Uh at a certain age, I got to the point in in the marriage where I was like, Oh Mg, is this really what I want to do with my life? What comes after this? It's like first off, there's no it's not like her husband abused her, it's not like her husband cheated. At a certain point, she got to her, she she's got her, she got her children and her husband.

SPEAKER_10 44:54

At a certain point, she went does does she have children? Because can you be imagined being one of her children? Any hearing her say that? Is this really what I do with my life? What comes after this?

SPEAKER_09 45:04

These women, I'm telling you, they're on social media, they get a DM from an old guy on Facebook or something like that. So these women always think the grass is greener somewhere else, so they throw a nuke into their own home and rip their family apart because they think they're gonna find something better now. She's a 43-year-old hag with nobody going around as a women's advocate. Because what else is she going to do? And then she's gonna be 50 one day. Her children aren't gonna talk to her because she torpedoed their life, yeah, and she's gonna be alone at 55, 60. It's just it's crazy what some of these women do.

SPEAKER_10 45:42

It's it's on it's so much of it, is because these women are told that they're worth way more than they're worth, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09 45:52

Like that they deserve everything that and and they think they're going to go onto the dating market at 40 with three kids, and guys are gonna be dying to to hang out with them. And what what they really like, especially in the modern dating world, guys in their 40s are not looking to like it's not like it used to be like if a guy gets divorced, he wants to get remarried. Like, these guys are just running through these women, like and so they're getting treated like garbage. They're just getting you see the freaking guy up in Maine getting accused of raining in a situation ship and like 40 years old. It's like these women have no idea what they're setting themselves up for, man. Um, uh, wait, I just wanted to read this one more paragraph. You can leave it that. I'll just read it. Of the trad wives who do stay in their marriages, she believes they have become dead inside, and that's why they're not promoting a lifestyle like the young, popular trad wives online. Uh, older wives are keeping their heads down, getting their teeth and gritting their teeth and waiting to die because that's all that's left for them. The projection there is astounding, dude. Let me just tell you something. Uh, I can only speak from my first hand experience. Like me and my wife are getting older now, we're in our mid-40s. Like,

Marriage Work And What Fulfills

SPEAKER_09 47:10

it's exciting to like do things together. Like, I don't know. I get I we because I had um I was talking to a couple of guys at work the other day, and like some of these guys are just miserable in their marriages. And I'm like, I don't maybe I I don't maybe I'm just a maybe I really am like the one person who actually enjoys their spot. Like, I like my wife, like we go and do things together, we have fun together. I'm excited to go away with her this week, and we're gonna have fun. I'm not even trying to be wife guy, like, it's just I enjoy her, she's fun. I don't hate her guns. When I hear guys talk about their wives like they hate their wives, I'm just like, how did you get yourself into this mess? Like, how how do guys get into a situation where they don't even know the person they're marrying? Like, people get married, and then they I think people just let their relationships get totally like they they just let their relationship die, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 48:03

I don't I don't get it, like you know, at some level, like I understand having separate hobbies, but the couples that have separate hobbies that take them like physically apart for like a whole weekend at a time seem uh weird to me.

SPEAKER_09 48:25

Matt Rifes said something really funny. I don't know how to go into that. He's a comedian. He was talking about guys that play golf. It was actually really funny. I gotta point it. Hang on. Uh he said, hang on, dudes who love golf, just get the divorce already. Like it was just that simple. Like the guys who are off every weekend at the local golf course and their wife's doing something totally different. It really is nuts. It's like just get the divorce already. You guys don't like each other, you're just looking for an excuse to get away from her.

SPEAKER_10 48:57

I I really, yeah. I can't like yeah, there's things I like to do that that hope doesn't like to do, and vice versa.

SPEAKER_09 49:05

Yeah, like you go to the gun range and you're shooting.

SPEAKER_10 49:08

Right, but even then, I'd have more fun at the gun range with her there. Yeah, like there's almost nothing in my life that isn't better with her and my kids around, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09 49:17

Like for me, it's for me, it like it in the summer it's the boat, in the winter it's snowboarding, things like that. Like, my wife comes with me on all us. I don't have like a separate hobby from her, you know. It's like I don't know, I don't I don't gamble, I don't do I don't I don't know. I like I look forward to my weekends to go and spend with my wife and kids, and we just go and do stuff together, and it's like the highlight of my life. I'd rather be doing that than anything else. Yep. Um, yeah, you want to know something? She's she's she's on the other side of that wall, and she listens a lot of times, Hope, but not even that. Like, I'm not saying there's like you shouldn't have like Rob just said, like, you can have some things you do in each but like it, I think it's important to just have I was I was I was thinking about it. Like, if I hit Lotto, like I think I would still do this show. Like, I like if if the if I hit Lotto and I did not need the money whatsoever at all, I think I would still do this show with you. I enjoy doing it. I might not do every two two episodes a week. Like, I might say, All right, we'll cut it down to one episode a week, you know what I mean? But I don't I don't think I would stop doing it. Like, I enjoy coming on and talking with my friend and getting a chance to talk. I don't gamble, except that time when I gambled and they gave me 16,000 extra. Freaking Don. I hate Don. He remembered first of all, it's really good to see Don in the chat again. It's really good to see him in the chat. He hasn't been in a while. Um, I don't well, I don't gamble, but I talk, I'm talking Bobby. Uh Rob, we're gonna have to talk about this. Um the wedding. Like, are we are you are you and Hope gonna come to the wedding, or do you want to just come to the bachelor party? We gotta figure this out. We'll talk offline, but um, I'm trying to talk Bobby into doing Atlantic Party.

SPEAKER_10 51:01

Because you have to know like dates and stuff.

SPEAKER_09 51:03

Yeah, of course, of course. We'll figure all that out. Um, we're trying to figure out I want him to do Atlantic City for the bachelor party, just because it's in between me and him. Like he's in Virginia and I'm in New York. I figured Jersey, you know, uh Atlantic City is a good meetup in the middle. So, and plus I think all my brothers are gonna want to go to something like that. It's like we'll go, we'll grab dinner together, we'll lose all our money at the blackjack table, and then we'll just go hang at the bar together. Do something like that.

SPEAKER_10 51:30

Um it's too bad your uncle didn't have a big house in Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_09 51:34

Yeah, that would have been fun to do. All right, so wait, I I didn't I blur brush over this. I know you put it up. I travel a ton for business and for reserves, gets old when married with kids. I can't I don't know how army families do it. I really don't. I don't know how um oh Molly, you play golf? That's probably interesting. Yeah, Paul goes to the the the shooting range without on his own, but he golfs with her. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 52:02

You gotta I I don't golf has no draw for me at all.

SPEAKER_09 52:09

I don't I don't yeah, I don't I no I've played golf twice, I suck so bad at it, but it is fun. You get a couple beers and you you

Keeping The Show Going And Sponsors

SPEAKER_09 52:20

just like we were we were like crashing into each other with the golf carts and stuff. We made a fun day out of it, but uh so if I won the lottery, I would still watch this show. We appreciate you guys. Yeah, and by the way, like our show is dying right now. So if you guys want a super chat, we'd appreciate it.

SPEAKER_10 52:36

Or or more we'd rather you go subscribe on locals. Yeah, we'd way rather you join locals. Also, it might be dying because we forgot to do you know things like our ad sponsors.

SPEAKER_09 52:46

I I've done them every time. Not today we haven't, not today we didn't, but um, I'm sure I'm as we're as we're talking, I'm trying to think of a good knickknack success story. Uh um, do you have do you have any good knickknack success? I was all right, so the the the Bobby Bobby's best man. He's like uh, well, I got you on the phone, he's like, uh, you want to be my best man? I'm like, no, you have a brother.

SPEAKER_10 53:17

Like, yeah, like you have a brother. Like your brother's gonna be your best man. Was my brother my best man? No, sorry, Ryan. Um, but I I admit that I was wrong there. I'm sorry, Ryan.

SPEAKER_09 53:33

He got so I'm like, no, you have a brother. I'm like, I'm not giving a speech to your wedding. He's like, Yeah, that's why my brother doesn't want to do it. But then I was thinking about it. I'm like, all right, what if I did do the speech at the wedding?

SPEAKER_10 53:45

Oh, whoa, we could turn it into an avoiding Babylon talk.

SPEAKER_09 53:48

And a knick-knack ad. I could make the whole thing a knickknack ad. It might actually work out good. Uh yeah, it's like I did the studio over and now the show's end. No, I think it I think the SSPX was such a touchy subject that give us six months, people will cool down. That's what I think too. But like when I tell you we lost a hundred local subscribers in the past week, like people just unsubscribe from which never happens. Like, we'll we'll lose five or six and then we'll get ten. People just unsubscribe from locals in the past week. And I think it's because of the SSPX thing, which sucks because I don't care that much about it.

SPEAKER_10 54:29

Yeah, do a normal speech and then halfway do sponsorship ad reads.

SPEAKER_09 54:34

I I think I could I think I could put a good I think I could put a a good uh oh we miss you, Mimi. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Um we will all walk with you into obscurity. We'll keep doing it, guys, as long as some people watching, we don't care.

SPEAKER_10 54:52

No, Don. We got your credit, we got your debit card number. You're subscribed forever.

SPEAKER_09 54:57

You won't I won't let you live at that. You have to make eye contact with me on Sundays. There's no chance. That's the other thing. Sunday, like I'm going to Greenport this weekend. I'm playing Novus Ordo Roulette this weekend. Because I don't think there's gonna unless Patrick just texted me. He's working in Greenport. Uh, so maybe he knows a place to go to mass out there. He said, I work in Greenport, I work in Greenport, I'm there tomorrow. So maybe, maybe uh we'll see him while I'm out there. But Patrick, if you know somewhere to go to mass out there, let me know because it's gonna be a rough one this weekend, I have a feeling. Um, people on sub because of the SSPX thing. I mean, I go to SSPX chapel and I didn't think you said anything other than what you've always said. Yeah, I I didn't think so either, but people people don't want like uh uh just like a measured response on things, they want you to come down hardcore on their side. So I mean, I don't look at anybody that goes to the SSPX any differently than I did two weeks ago. I mean, they've been telling me the SSPX is in schism since 2005 when I started paying attention to this stuff, so I don't see how it's any different now than it was then. Konomi, Konomi's in the chat. Konomi goes to the society. You think I'd think look at Konomi any differently? Love Konomi. Come to Portland, Oregon. I'll take you to a great TLM. I would I want to go to the West Coast very badly. But I pray for you out in Portland, though.

SPEAKER_10 56:18

I want to go to like Montana. I don't know if I need to go further west than that.

SPEAKER_09 56:24

I want to no, I want to go see the national parks in Washington State, um, California national parks. There's some beautiful national parks out west.

SPEAKER_10 56:36

Yeah, but I can't carry a gun.

SPEAKER_09 56:40

That's true. Um, yeah, uh, well, I I spoke with we have a Father Modsley update for locals.

SPEAKER_07 56:47

Did we?

SPEAKER_09 56:48

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you didn't watch the last locals episode, but we did get into uh some of the stuff with him on the last locals episode. Um yeah, Rob doesn't even know that me and him have been named as Russian assets, also.

SPEAKER_10 57:04

I didn't, not until the green right before the show.

SPEAKER_09 57:07

I told him right before the show. I said, Oh, in case you don't know, we uh we have been named as Russian assets. Um yeah, I do I do have a following.

SPEAKER_10 57:18

Do Russian assets get money?

SPEAKER_09 57:19

No, apparently uh we just um yeah, I I the I have Father Mozley scheduled for when his next book comes out. That's when we're gonna get him back on. But um I did.

SPEAKER_10 57:37

I did study Russian. You're right, Don.

SPEAKER_09 57:41

Do you have a Russian connect that I'm unaware of? Are you taking are you taking money from the Kremlin and not cutting me in on it?

SPEAKER_10 57:49

Have you seen the exchange rate? There's not much to cut you in on.

SPEAKER_09 57:54

Um, I did not see the Father uh Gregory Pine with Wagner episode. I saw people clipping it and ragging him for saying some of the similar things that we say, just like the Novus Ordo is kind of a dumpster fire, and people were calling it like Stockholm syndrome and stuff, but I think it's just recognizing reality. Yeah, you guys break my chops for buying a boat. Rob's out here buying side by sides. First off, wait, where'd it go?

SPEAKER_10 58:23

Buying is kind of a stretch, it's financed. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 58:26

Well, my boat was my boat was my boat. My boat was basically a car payment, you know. I mean, it's paid off now, but it was basically a car car payment when I bought it.

SPEAKER_10 58:36

Well, luckily the side-by-side is less than the car payment.

SPEAKER_09 58:40

Uh, my my boat was a hundred dollars less than my car payment was when I bought the boat. It was a hundred dollars less than the car payment was until the motor blew and I had to dump. Now the car's paid off and the boat's paid off, and I'm guaranteeing my car engine goes soon, man. It's just the way it happens. Yeah. Um, what it what did uh ocean say about Kanomi uh always looked at me differently for you, yes. You always looked at me differently first day in Italy, and then Ocean says, it's because you're black. No, well, technically, yes, because I thought Konomi was like an African migrant in Italy when I first met him. So like I literally did because there was African migrants coming up to me. Oh my god. Did I tell the story on on here? No, when we get to Rome, first off, everybody gets to Rome, and we're there uh a day before Konomi gets there. So like I think the whole group's there, and I don't know there's more people coming. And then so Konomi got there a day late because his flight got delayed. Now, the next day we're in in the Vatican, basically, like we're in Vatican City, and when you're in Vatican City, there are African migrants everywhere trying to sell you phone chargers, trying to sell you um like uh little little statues of the Vatican.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:13

Oh, that that sounds like the Law of America.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:15

Yeah, it's like you know, like you like when they're in France, they're selling you little Eiffel Towers and stuff. So Konomi comes up to me and he hands me like one of these trinkets, and I just look at him, I go, bro, I'm not buying your stupid trinkets. And he goes, Anthony, it's me, Konomi. I'm here for you, and I'm like, Oh, I felt so bad. Oh, I felt terrible. Oh me is uh a dear friend now, and he has a heart of gold. He's like he's one of those guys, even my wife says it like when you're around Konomi, you just like you like you feel like you're around somebody who's just holy, you know. He he kind of just like puts all he you you feel like you're you're you're hanging with Jesus when you're with Konomi. He's a beautiful person. But yes, that was kind of funny when that happened. Uh at least that's hilarious. Um, what is this?

SPEAKER_10 1:01:12

For Kenomi.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:14

Justice for Kenomi. Uh all right, so we're at an hour. We're gonna go over the locals. We'll uh I'll tell the full story of what happened on the boat this weekend. Um, let's do our Knickknack then. So uh I'm gonna think of a I'm gonna get a good battery for uh rarem on Tuesday. But um go to knick knack.com, use code ab25% for 25% off your first purchase. Knickknacks are nicotine lozenges, they are way better than any of the other pouches out there. We love Knickknacks, they are our biggest uh supporters. Uh use 25 AB25 for 20 AB25% for 25% off your first purchase, and use code AB10 for 10% off every subsequent purchase. I am looking on my cousin's hotel on this weekend. Oh, that's what happened. So he wanted to shake my hand, but the bracelet one guy gave him was in this. So basically, Konomi came up and one of the migrants gave him a thing, and then Konomi comes over to shake my hand, and I thought he was trying to hand me the thing that got so I thought he was selling something, and I'm like, like, I don't want this thing. What are you doing? It was it was a very funny thing when it happened. Oh, I felt bad.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:31

So um, okay, so it's funny is you could go to like Norway and they would think you're an African migrant migrant trying to sell them a drink.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:39

You see that you see Mamdani didn't put little Italy as uh as one of the immigrant uh outcrops and or outcrows in in New York. Everybody's saying that means the Italians are finally making it as whites. Um go to blackmonkrosary.com, get 10% off an amazing black monk rosary by going to blackmonkrosary.com using code AvoidingBabylon at checkout. Uh we love black monk rosaries. Is there anything coming up that would make a good gift for um what's coming up? We have our ladies' feast day in August. In August, yeah. Yeah, we have in August we have our Ladies' Feast Day. I don't know. It like honestly, if you know a convert, grab one for a convert that's just coming in. Uh, if you know somebody who's considering the faith, grab one and get one for them. If you have children, all your children should have black monk rosaries, guys.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:32

If you know a uh if you know a Biz LARP, buy one for them. Yes, make that's how we Latinize them, guys. That's how we make them real Catholics.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:40

Um, yeah, Bobby's having a Latin uh wedding, by the way. Wait, confirmed? Not confirmed, but we will make it happen. Okay. I yeah, he's getting it's gonna be a Latin wedding. So uh all right, guys, we're gonna head over to locals. If you're not a subscriber to locals, I forgot to put the link in the chat last time, Rob. Uh, if you can, just throw it now. Link up. Uh, and we will see you on the other side, kids.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:10

Uh, do we have a good one?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:13

You play the Guns and Rosaries outro because I did it last time. I heard that. That was I played the Guns and Rosaries outro at the end of the last locals episode. I couldn't hit end fast enough. Like, I like I ended the show, and that that song comes on, and I'm like, Guns and Rosaries, are you kidding me? I just kept trying to end it. Adrian got a kick out of it. He thought it was.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:35

Oh, I bet he did.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:36

Yeah, he loved it.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:37

Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:38

You guys, if you're not local subscribers, you're missing out, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:50

Well, since we watched that uh gay blessings, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:54

I snap my fingers. You'll forget that you were ever gay.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:59

I was never gay. Exactly. Wait, no, stop. No, stop. You can't. I was never gay. Okay. No, I was never gay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:07

Sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:07

You can't just state something, then snap your fingers, and then be like, I was never gay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

You say so.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:27

I knew tonight's show was going to be just like on like all over the place. I think the trad wife's bit is a good clip to put out though.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:35

I think that's that's the clip we go with. Do the do the trad wives bit.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:38

Well well see, we don't know what's gonna what we're gonna say here.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:42

Well that's true, but I I think for the YouTube side, the trad wife's clip was probably the the best one to put into a a clip because Yeah, that's all I think. Uh yeah. Oh, so listen to this.

Fire Island Blowup And Hosting Boundaries

SPEAKER_09 1:05:55

Listen to this. So Friends come out with their four kids, and they bring the daughter's boyfriend too. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:08

Now how old's the daughter? Uh 18. Okay. And the boyfriend comes. Now, um, look, I I love them. This is um oh wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:22

I should touch the uh I should make sure to click the only for supporters button here. Yes, yes, yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:36

Okay, okay, so you're safe. I I love them. Uh this is Long Island Medium's niece. Oh. Them. That couple, right? Uh their son is my godson. Yeah, yeah. Um so they they come out, uh they came out Friday because we were I was off Friday for the 4th of July. They came out Friday. We were doing so we were taking them on the boat Friday. Uh I was taking the kids tubing and water skiing, and then we were gonna go Saturday to Fire Island, spend the day on Fire Island, and then we were gonna go watch the fireworks from the boat. So Friday goes great. Like we had such a fun time. I took the kids tubing, and I took them wakeboarding. I went wakeboarding. I forgot. I saw that. Yeah, I got back up on the wake board. It's been like two years. I didn't have my boat last year. Um, it was a really fun day. We had a great time. We come back to my house, we uh make burgers, and we you know, it was a really, really good day. Sunday, we woke up and his son wanted to go fishing really bad. And I'm like, it was a hundred degrees out. And I'm like, dude, listen, I'm like, fishing's kind of the thing where you do like three, four guys on the boat. We had nine people on the boat.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:48

That's it's it's someone's gonna get a hook somewhere they shouldn't, and it's just not a good like, and you dude, it was a hundred degrees.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:56

We're sitting there, you don't want to sit still in the water, yeah. It was just and I'm like, it's really, you know, he's like, Oh, it's his birthday, you know. So this was my godson's birthday gift, you know. And he's like, uh, he just wouldn't take no for an answer, my friend. And he's like insisted on it. And I'm like, I'm like, all right, we'll do it for like two hours, whatever, you know. So we go and do it, and like we're doing it for two hours. I'm like, all right, let's you know, let's wrap it up. They he caught a couple of fish, no, no keepers, you know, like they're small to keep, so I have to throw them back. And I'm like, and I'm like, I'm like, listen, everybody's starving. I'm like, I'm done fishing, like we're getting out here, okay? So so we get to Fire Island, and everybody's starving, okay? And my wife is like a little seasick because we've been sitting still fishing in a hundred-degree weather, and she's just like she's kind of had it. So we get to Fire Island, she's like, Aunt, I'm walking down to the beach. I need to like just dip myself in the ocean and cool off. Like, I'm I I can't right now. I'm like, all right, go ahead. I was like, so so my my my wife and his wife go down to the beach, and the kids are kind of lingering in there, starving. And I'm like, like, Mike, I need to go up to the bar and get a drink. I just I need to go get a drink. So we go to the bar and we get a drink, and we're hanging out up there and talking, and then the girls come back. My wife's happy, she cooled off, she's in a great mood. She's like, Oh, everything's great, let's go make food, let's go make the food now. Yeah, his wife comes up and he said something to her that dude, it was like a switch flipped, and she lost it, and she wouldn't talk to him, and she's flipping out and she's crying in the corner by herself, and he's like, I'm done, and now they're fighting, and I'm just like, Holy cow, what are we doing here? Like, oh man, I'm like, I have your five kids here, guys. Like, you gotta feed your kids. They didn't they just disappear, and now I'm I'm like, I've had I've now fishing for hours. I didn't want to fish. All I want to do is enjoy Fire Island and just like sit. I like I'm I just want to relax. I got his five freaking kids that I gotta, I gotta get the grill out, and I gotta cook. I'm cooking for his kids, and these two would just so I'm like, Mike, go make up with her, like figure it out, go make up. He's like, okay, he disappears for 40 minutes. I get the grill out, I cook lunch for his kids, I'm feeding his kids. My wife's getting everything ready. We're feeding his kids 40 minutes later, and I'm like, what's going on? Did you talk? He goes, I don't know. I didn't even talk to her. What have you been for 40 minutes? I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, what are you talking about? Where have you been? I'm like, I'm feeding your freaking kids here. What are you talking about? They never wind up making up, and I'm like, I so now I gotta clean everything up, and they're still not like, dude, they didn't help us with anything. I wanted to freaking strangle these two. Like, I don't none of my kids are there because my kids can't fit on the boat because I got his five kids. Dude, you have no idea. I'm like, so uh, so we finally get everything cleaned up, and I'm like, everybody just get on the boat, we're gonna go watch the fireworks, and that's it. They all get on the boat. I'm driving to go watch the fireworks, and he just comes up to me and he goes, We're not watching the fireworks, take me back to my car. And I'm like, Mike, the whole purpose of this day was to go watch the fireworks. It's of fourth of July. Like fourth of July, like, I want to go watch the fireworks, dude. And he's like, he's like, I know what you're trying to do. I want to go back to my car right now. She's hysterically crying in the back of the boat. He's not talking. I'm like, you know what? I'm dropping you, I don't care. I race to the freaking dock to get them back to their car. They're getting off the boat, and they think I'm gonna like pull the boat out of the water. I'm like, everybody get off my boat. I'm going to watch the firewall. I throw them all off the boat, and I just I'm like, Nicole, get on, we'll leave it. And me and Nicole get out. And I'm just like, the two of us were just baffled. Like, like the it was, dude, it was so chaotic. So, like, I'm waiting the next day to get like a phone call. And like, I'm waiting for them to call me and be like, dude, I'm sorry it went like that, you know. Thank you for everything you did for us this weekend. Dude, they have not called us. What the heck? Like, I don't even know what happened with that. I called him twice, he never answered the phone. He hasn't like I have no how do you not the next day be like, dude, I'm sorry, I got awkward like that. Thank you for feeding my kids, thank you for holding it down for nothing. And I'm like, dude, you slept in my house. Like, I took your family out for two days straight. You know, even get a thank you. You don't tell me I'm sorry, but I'm I'm just like Nicole, never again. Like, I'm sorry, but never again. So, like, we have Stella's Sweet 16 coming up in three weeks, yeah. And they're supposed to come to my house again, and they're in they live in Pennsylvania, so they come all the way down here with their kids, and it's like, oh, I'm not like typically I wouldn't want to make them stay at a hotel, but I'm like, they're not staying at our house again, like it's too much. And I every time we're with them, it ends in them having some kind of a like a thing like that. And I get I end up watching their kids. It's like I I get dude. I just uh it's my daughter's sweet 16. I'm giving my daughter all my attention that night. Like, I'm not dealing with them having another blow up and having a fight and me having a you know figure out what's going on with their little kids and stuff. I'm just like hope.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:32

Hope if you're listening when we go out to New York at some point, we'll pretend to have a fight and we'll watch the orchid. We'll go, we'll go have a night on the town in New York City.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:43

You could never pull. I'm telling you something. I'm incapable of it, dude. When I tell you it's every time we're with them this happens, like and dude, it's just I don't want to, I don't want to be too mean right now, dude. It's like they came out with their kids, they didn't bring anything. Like, you know how like you go to somebody's house, you like bring a thing, it's like, oh, let's bring a bottle of wine. Yeah, like like they came to my house, it's not and it's not like their first time visiting, you know what I mean? It's different if like you're like invite somebody to come over, it's like, no, don't bring anything, we'll take care of like they're coming over, they're supposed to be like, oh, what can we like? They would I fed them for two days straight. Not at any time was he like, hey, let's go to the food store and get stuff to feed the kids tonight. Or here, let me order takeout for all of us, or Bobby. We go to the fire island. I order the drink, I order food in fire island.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:40

Wow, what the what the hell did you just call me?

SPEAKER_09 1:14:42

What did I call you? Did you say Bobby? Oh, I mean, I'm sorry, dude. I'm sorry, I mix you and you and Bobby up sometimes. Listen, so get back on. I gotta tell you this. He's kidding me. Get off. Listen, so I we get to Fire Island and I order I order drinks, and his kids are starving, so I order like a jumbo pretzel, and I order like French fries just to hold them over until I could go and cook. The bill comes, and he's not like, Oh, let me split it with me. Let's split it, or or you let me uh I'm paying the dude. I just fed your whole family for two days. You don't offer to split the bill with me, nothing. I'm like, so maybe they're maybe they're fighting because of money. Maybe, but I don't think so because before we went fishing, he went and bought his son a new fishing pole. And he went, I'm like, dude, I thought of all that, believe me. If it was money, I don't care. Right. He just he just went to the store to spend $200 on fishing crap because he didn't want to use my pole. I had poles, they weren't good enough. He had to go buy his own pole. Uh it was it was a frustrating, frustrating situation. And I I'm kind of just mad that he didn't because I would have like I wanted to talk to him the next day to be like, dude, don't worry, you know. Like I'm I was gonna be like, dude, me and Nicole have fights don't worry. I that was what I was planning to say, but because he called me now, I'm like, you two suck, you two suck. I don't even want to be around you guys anymore.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:19

There's nothing worse than being around another couple who's fighting.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:23

It's the most awkward is the worst thing in the world, the most awkward freaking thing in the world when you're just like me and Nicole really don't fight, like, so it's like to be around a couple when they're just like mad at each other. It's like you could just sense the the tension and stuff. It's just this is not fun.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:44

Um this I I really hope none of my family members are on locals.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:51

Uh he does have a free locals membership because he that he hasn't watched the show in months, but there was a time where he was watching a few of them because he was like I think he was like seeking God a little bit and he was like, Oh, I'm gonna watch the show, and he watched our show a little bit. He hasn't in months, but hold on.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:09

Before I say what I'm about to say, let me quick do do a quick search of our local members for my cousin.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:18

Right? It always works out like that, Kev. Kev said this will be the one he listens to.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:24

Hold on. I see my cut, I see my cousin as a member, but I don't think he's a supporter. Let me double check.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:33

John Paul Catley says, You guys are hilarious. I enjoy the show. Ocean says heaven unbound.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:39

Okay, so my my cousin is a member, but he's not a supporter, so he won't be able to see the can't see the paid membership.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:44

Let's hear it. Dude, I know that's I was I'm so like I could give you so much more about this. I'm still holding back because God forbid.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:57

Okay, okay, we'll have to talk after locals, then you and me.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:02

I'll say it, I don't care. I've gone this far anyway, so I'll go all in. It wasn't even that. Like every time I see them, so like when we would go to my uncle's house in PA, they lived in PA, right? So we would go to PA and it would be me and my wife and Nicole and her sister. So me and my brother-in-law would spend like 400 bucks each going food shopping for the week, right? Like we go to the food store, we spend 400 each get food for the week. Mike and Tina would just pop in with their five kids and not bring a thing. And I'm like, it's one thing if I'm there alone and like, yeah, all right, come and I'll feed, but like my brother-in-law split the bill with me, and now I'm asking him to give him the cover. Like, you know, I'm asking you to feed him. And dude, when you come with five kids, the kids are eating all the snacks that they're eating, like they just are, you know what I mean? It's it's like not fair to do to the people that were there with you this way. And he didn't never even offer, hey, can I throw a hundred bucks? Can I try next? It's just like, and it's every single time we'd hang out with them. So it just I think this time I just kind of like this one.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:07

There's hit the limit.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:08

Yeah, this one was just like to not get the phone call the next day. Because if they would have called me the next day, I don't think I would even care. I really don't like because I love them, you know. But like the fact that I didn't get any phone call the next day, I was just like, you know, man, not even a thank you, not even a I'm sorry that it ended that way, nothing. It was just I didn't and I called him twice to check on him, and he never even returned my call. So I think that, yeah, it was weird. People are weird, man. I don't know. Maybe his good friends out there.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:38

Maybe his wife uh misunderstood a John Deloney episode and it's like divorcing him, murdered him. Maybe he's dead, maybe that's why you can't get hold of him.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:48

Oh man, I don't know. You know what it is? I'm I'm fortunate in that, like uh, like even when me and you hung out, like I you might be the least cheap person I've ever hung out with. Like, I mean you fight over who's going to pay, you know what I mean? Same thing, like when I hang out with Bobby, I fight me and him fight over who's going to pay the bill. Like, most of the people I was raised, I guess. No, I don't, it's just me and you argue over who's going like when we went to North Carolina, you're like, I was like, let me chip in for the rental car. You know, no, you're like, no, stop it. I got it. You know, like it's just courtesy to like if we're both spending money, you try to even it out as best you can. That's all. It's not like I'm treating you or you're treating me. It's kind of like we're both here, we're both spending money. Let's try to even it out as best we can. I'll pick this tab up, you pick that tab up. But if somebody comes, and I don't mind picking a tab up for someone, but it can't just be every single time you see the person.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:41

It gets especially with no recognition of it, yeah, or even a yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:45

That's I think that's probably what and it's like you don't want to do things because you want the thing for that, but it gets it gets tedious. It does, yeah. Uh, what is my he's uh German, Mike's German, Mike Mike's German, yeah. Uh that's because Rob's Midwestern. Uh I I uh my wife, all right. So uh Jim said it's too generous. So, like, even when Jim came out, like I like uh because Jim came and spent the day with me in New York in January. But Jim, you are super generous, like Jim. Me and you gifts, you know what I mean? Like he sent me and you gifts. So it's like Jim's coming to New York. I have to pick Jim's tab up, you know what I mean? Like I wasn't even an optional at Jim Pay, like Jim sent me and you a Christmas gift a month earlier, so it's like, how of course I'm picking Jim's tab up.

SPEAKER_10 1:21:37

I'm not like if Diodotti ever shows up at my door, I gotta give him my side designs. That's how it works.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:42

Like, there's zero chance if Joe Diodotti comes here that we're not like picking up Joe's tab while he's here, you know. It's like there is some people that you just you have to because they've been good to you, and then but sometimes Nicole gets mad at me because once I have a few drinks in me, I'm like, I got it, I don't care. It's like I don't it's stupid because I don't really have it, and she gets mad at me when I act like that. She's like, You're not your uncle, I don't know why you think you are your uncle. Like uh send outro clip on Telegram if you want it.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:15

Jim request I I just yeah, I just got it. I taff, I'm trusting you. I won't have time to watch it right now, so I'm trusting you.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:24

You guys are never going to let me live down the man on the street stuff. I promise you, the man on the street stuff is coming when we go to Italy. Like when I do that Italy trip, I promise you you're going to get man on the street interviews. I'm gonna bring the stuff with me and the people I'm with, I'm gonna use that equipment for that.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:42

The first time you've ever used the equipment, you're gonna try to fly internationally with a bunch of electronics and then set it up with no without me there to help you. You really it is gonna work.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:52

Don't worry. I'm gonna have somebody with me that'll know how to figure it out.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:55

Is Bobby going?

SPEAKER_09 1:22:56

Yeah, poor Bobby. Um yeah, this I'm oh man. I Bobby's got a crazy couple of months coming up, man. He's got his bachelor party, his rehearsal dinner, his wedding, and then he leaves for his honeymoon, and then right after his honeymoon, the Italy trip.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:20

Jeez, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:22

He's got uh like he's coming in this weekend, they're going to to the venue to make sure the dates work out and they're booking the venue, and he's gotta then he's gotta like they have to plan a wedding in three months. They're getting married in November, like first or second week of November. So he's got mayhem coming up. Like, he doesn't even know what he's getting himself into. I was talking about yesterday. Like, like, dude, your whole life, if you if you would have seen him like January 1st, he was a single guy, like just to visit his friend, and freaking five months later, he's little did he know you were scheming behind his back. Dude, it's just crazy how quick life can change, man. Um let's let's see, what do we got? Can we do anything over here? Um

Surveillance Cameras And Losing Privacy

SPEAKER_09 1:24:19

dude, what's up with these flock cameras, man? I all I see is flock camera videos now.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:25

It's it is strange. Uh so I I live literally in like one of the most rural classifications the federal government has. And there is one ten miles from me on a Coney, you know, on a Coney road that in the middle of nowhere. 200 people pass a day, you know, like that's it. Like why?

SPEAKER_09 1:24:49

Dude, they are they they are setting up a surveillance state.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:54

The the the flaw cameras are especially kind of insidious because so that they're all licensed plate, the vast majority of them, anyways, are license plate readers. Yeah, and it creates a database of where a license plate is where and when a license plate is seen. And then because it's a private company collecting it. They could sell that data, they they sell that data and they can sell it to the you know, like a sheriff's department, then the sheriff's department doesn't need a warrant, they're buying yeah, yes, public data.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:27

Search and seizures and oh nuts not search, but it's warrantless uh surveillance, like like uh uh you used to have to get a warrant if you wanted to tap someone's phone or if you wanted to, you know, put a tail on them and things like that. Like they could just tell exactly where you are at all times now. I'm seeing I don't know how real they are. Like a woman, I saw a video today, a woman saying she got a twelve hundred and fifty dollar cell phone ticket because a flop camera saw her cell phone on her lap face down. Like, is that possible?

SPEAKER_10 1:26:00

I don't know if the see, like I said, most of the flock cameras are license plate readers, right? Yeah, but I have seen um where the the the flock cameras will say a license plate was seen, right? And the the cops arrest the wrong person, arrest the wrong person, and like twice the person was like two states over, you know, nowhere near it. And twice I've seen that that person then has to prove that they are are not guilty.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:32

That's not the way the justice is supposed to work, it's supposed to be the state should have to prove you were there, you shouldn't have to prove you weren't there, and it's they just go by like this data. It's not they're not even showing a picture of your car there or anything. It's just I don't know, man. This stuff is all getting super weird, dude. I see those flock cameras in like the Home Depot parking lot. Like they're they're in the weirdest places, like there they'll just be one set up in in a Home Depot parking lot. That uh they're in very weird, strange places, and they're just collecting data that show where they are, and now people are just running around vandalizing them, which I'm not I'm kind of sort of. I can't I'm not against it. Dude, it's it's illegal surveillance, like screw them. Yeah, you wonder what's funny. We had in my town, uh not just my town, my county. In Suffolk County, there were there were red light cameras in Suffolk County, and our legislature voted to get rid of them because they were causing more accidents than they were stopping. Because people would slam their brakes because they didn't want to get the red light ticket.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:49

And there was a lot of like rear end accidents. So basically, they just disabled all the cameras that have been set up in Suffolk County, and it's the greatest thing ever. Feel like you have you could breathe again. Like, I can't go anywhere in the city without having Waze on. Be not because I don't know where I'm going, because I need to know where the speed cameras are, where the speed cameras and red light cameras are. They have speed cameras on like every block in New York City. That's crazy. You and they lowered the speed limit from 30 to 25. Of course. You know what it's like driving 25 miles an hour, dude? You feel like it's almost impossible. You feel like you could run that fast. Like you're like, are you kidding me? 25 miles per hour. I have to go. And then I have I'll be going because I have the ways on and I know there's a camera coming up. I'm going 25, but I got somebody behind me beeping at me because they want me to go faster, and they're like road rage incidents. I had a blowout with a guy recently because he pulls up, he's like, I'm like, bro, there's a freaking speed camera 300 feet in front of you. I'm not gonna fly through it. I don't know. Like the guy, it was like four o'clock in the morning. The guy he wanted, he got out of his car. He wanted to like fight me. I'm like, bro, he's like as soon as he's seen, I wasn't just like not paying attention. He thought I was just like not paying attention, like I was just going slow. I'm telling you, we live in a surveillance state already. Oh man, did you see? I was working yesterday, two days ago, I was working in Brooklyn on Bait 25th Street, and I heard that freaking Muslim call to prayer.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:36

Like blaring, dude. I was I was filling in for my brother. My brother has the Brooklyn contract. Um where is it? Oh, here it is. I put it in the telegram. It's right below the the Nigerian girl. Right below the Nigerian girl's tweet in the telegram. There we go. Dude, this is what I heard. I was here when this happened. Like I could have taken this video. I was on Bay 22nd and Bath yesterday. Bath and three blocks away. Yeah, I was three blocks away. I was on Bay 22nd between uh uh Cropsey and Bath yesterday, and that's I heard that shit. Like I could have videoed that video when this was going on. These people are they it it felt like I was being violated, yeah. Like it felt like I was being violated, it was so obnoxious. This used to, dude, this used to be Italian down here.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:57

Somalis have been doing this in Minneapolis for a couple of years.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:01

This used to be an Italian neighborhood down here. Now it's Chinese and Muslim. The the the there's a Brooklyn cathedral down here, it's all Chinese people. It's all Chinese Catholics, like the priest is Chinese, they have a Chinese liturgy.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:23

Well, hey, at least you know you have a good place to go to confession.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:26

Yeah, that's a good throwback. Yeah, those Chinese priests, they don't play games, man. Um, wait, I have to reboot the uh locals chat that like froze on me.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:42

Well, at least uh at least New York City uh didn't just legalize gay bathhouses like Minneapolis, they just legalized the maid program.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:53

New York did

Medical Aid In Dying And Hope

SPEAKER_09 1:31:55

medical assistance and dying in New York.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:57

Seriously, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:59

Kathy Hokel, Rob, see if you can find her speech. It is vile what she says. She was at a Catholic funeral. Kathy Hokel Medical Assistance and Dying. See if you can find that, dude. It is vile what she said. Uh Tucker just did a whole video on it.

unknown 1:32:26

Oh man.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:28

Like she she's like, she's like, I was unsure, and this was a heavy decision I came to, but when I came to the decision when I was at a Catholic funeral, and the priest said Was it back in December?

SPEAKER_10 1:32:43

All the videos I see on it was December.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:46

Yeah, I mean, I saw it on Tucker this morning, so like let me see if I can find it. Hang on. Oh, here it is.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:58

I got it. The current governor of New York, Kathy Hopel, but we don't spend a lot of time. Announces um I found work, Kathy Hobel.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:08

All right. All right, I'll just play the audio.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:10

I'm excited about it.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:11

Watch her announcement.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:12

It's fascinating. So I'm proud to announce that after you know weeks of negotiating with the legislature. We are now going to be making medical aid and dying available to New Yorkers going forward. I believe we've crafted an elegant solution to a problem that people have fought for but also wrestled with for a long time because you know I did not arrive at this lightly. Um my last thoughts were sitting at a funeral, a Catholic funeral Saturday morning, this past weekend. And I heard the priest talk about being called home to eternal life.

SPEAKER_10 1:33:55

And I realized you didn't, you know at a modern funeral hear about suffering in life.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:06

Like she's justifying her passing it because she was at a Catholic funeral, because she's at a Novus Ordo Catholic funeral where you don't actually speak about death in the proper way, and they won't tell you you can't receive it if you're not in a state of grace, and they're letting people walk back to the pews with the Eucharist in their hands, and they're telling they're basically canonizing the people at the mass and telling everybody you're just going to be with Jesus.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:30

In the Archdiocese of Chicago, stupids just put up a memorial to suicide victims telling people God always all suicide victims go straight to heaven. It's like you want to go, you want to become a saint? Kill yourself. Do you understand how psychotic this is? Like, like telling people all people who take their own lives go immediately into the arms of God, is what that memorial is saying. And it's supposed to be an ecumenical. Oh man, dude, we are. You want to know something? That's why, like, as bad as like um John Paul was, at least he spoke about issues on life, right? Like, he was always talking about the culture of death. Always, he was always talking about he he was like warning us that this was going to come. He knew we were going to start these death panels where we decide is this person is there financially feasible to keep this person alive.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:41

Like when my yeah, there's just another one of the errors of Russia, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:46

Yeah, really is.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:50

When my wife's grandpa, hold on. Sorry, sorry, Moscow. I know I'm not supposed to talk about those. I know we never talk about those apparently here on this show because we're stooges of yeah, Tara lives in Canada.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:02

Welcome to our world in Canada. Here, made is the fifth or sixth leading cause of death, and doctors are incentivized to offer it to their patients. Like, um, but John Paul II at least spoke about the culture of death, right? And he was warning us that this was eventually going to be be like the end road. Like, this was this was the end game where we just we we put a panel together and we decide like is this person's life worth saving, right? When my wife's grandfather, when Nicole's grandfather died, he had a stroke. He was in the hospital and in a Catholic hospital. It's in a Catholic hospital, they cut his feeding tube off and they starved the man to death. And they called it mercy. Yeah, like I it's just and they the doctors said to my in-laws, like, we're not really allowed to do this, but we're gonna do it. Like they know they're not allowed to do it, like they're in a Catholic hospital, you're not allowed to do that, and they did it. They basically just numbed them up with fentanyl and they freaking cut his feeding tube off, and they starved him to death. Like, that's gotta be a like that has gotta be a hell of a way to go out, man. Oh, that poor guy. Yeah, it's just dude. This we're just heading towards such dark, dark, dark times. I don't know, man. The world is just so bad.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:24

Oh, Paul's saying the doctors tried to do that to his son.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:29

Oh man. And and like they try to talk you into like you. I mean, we hear all the time about women going for sonograms, and they'll be like the slightest little thing that they think could possibly be an issue, and they try to talk the woman into an abortion. Like these doctors are serial killers, like they're legitimate serial killers. I think they like get off on ending life, it's so crazy.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:58

Yeah, there's I I mean, I always try to carry everywhere, but I always double check that I'm carrying whenever I go into a hospital with a family member. Because I'm sorry, but if yeah, if anyone tries to do anything to a family member, I will what was that movie? Uh with uh Denzel.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:19

Oh, that was a good movie. John Q. John, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:38:22

I will John Q a doctor if I need to.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:24

I'm taking people hostage to get you someone's plan, right? Um, yeah, uh that's why, especially like the whole brain death thing. That whole the whole thing, like I really wish we could have got Molly's husband on for that, but he doesn't he doesn't really want to come on and speak about it publicly. But like the the brain dead thing, they will convince people that brain death is a thing, and it's just not really a thing. Like, there's no such thing as brain death, you know. Oh, he's gonna be in a vegetative state. Donate his organs because they want your organs while you're still alive, they need them otherwise useless if you die.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:00

It's really oh man, it's no not glory with Denzel Washington. I'm not talking about the Civil War.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:07

No, it was John Q. His son needed a transplant, and he didn't have health insurance. Yeah, like his health insurance expired or something, and he like took half the hospital prisoner. He was like, I'll kill everybody in here. Get my son a get my son a whatever he needed. I forget. Very uplifting show tonight. Uh um, yeah, there's a fine line between palliative care and euthanasia. Um yeah, like hospice. Look, if somebody's that's what hospice is, right? Like hospice is if somebody has terminal cancer and they're at the end of their row, like yeah, you try to make the person as comfortable as you can because we're that's what actual mercy is.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:55

But you don't like like with my dad with my dad, uh, at his end, he had he had uh he was basically in his body was in septic shock, right? From he had a bladder infection that that just got out of control. Yeah, you know, and he had suffered from medical issues for 30 years at that point. And um, you know, the doctors, you know, they're they're asking me how you know how how far do I want to take it? Like, they're like, we could put a central line in, uh a pick line to you know completely flush his body with every antibiotic biotic we have. I'm like, I'm like, well, you know, how in how invasive is that? And I kind of already knew because of Hope's experience, like something like that, and you know, incredibly invasive might not work, right? Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:50

That I you know I don't think we're required to go ordinary lengths, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:40:55

Exactly. So, like, there's a fine line because saying, No, let's not let's not make his, you know, what's probably anyways go because they're like 10% chance it might, you know, save him now in another infection give to get them in a month from now. It's like let's not make probably his last day on earth absolute misery, more so than it already is, you know, but at the same time, like continue with IV, you know, antibiotics. He's already got an IV in, continue with those. Obviously, still feed him, still give him water, you know. Like, so yeah, there is a fine line, and you really have to like if if you have a family member that that's going into something like that, you really got to do your work and figure out where that line is so that you know how to answer these questions.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:44

Because the doctors the the problem with medical assistance in dying is that it's not people who were terminally ill and on their deathbed, right? It's people who are depressed, yeah. Right. And those are the people that we're supposed to be doing everything we can to show them this purpose meaning to life. Like it's a very different thing if somebody really is on their deathbed and it's like, all right, we're gonna, you know, we'll cut this, we'll cut the suffering as short as we can because they're they're dying, right? Like that's that's a different thing than somebody suffering with depression. Or like the thing with the maid program in Canada, especially, they'll have waiting lists for people to see a doctor for a thing that they're supposed to get for like a year. And it's like, I'm going to die in three months. I need to get in now, and they'll postpone the thing they need out a year, and they'll go, Well, we could kill you now. We could kill you now. We'll get you in this week if you want to do that. Like, that is a level of depravity that I don't think I ever saw on the horizon when I was young. Like the the the Canadian maid system, you hear horror stories, man. Like it's the it's like the fifth leading cause of death because people are just so at their wit's end with depression. And like the depression is added to like during COVID, the amount of things they did to people to cause that depression, and the amount of meds that people are being prescribed these days to just drug people and the SSRIs and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:19

It's just every slippery slope people try to warn us about has come true and even gone beyond further than what anyone ever thought.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:27

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's not a slippery slope, it's a cliff. Like we're totally off the cliff at this point. It's yeah, sorry to end the show on such a down note tonight, guys. It was definitely sad, but it's just like, man, I don't know what we

A Direct Word On Suicide

SPEAKER_09 1:43:50

do. This is like this is this is why we're we have to be Catholic and just try to make sure you're like that's why I think the especially with the suicide thing that Supage did, it it's such a wrong message to send because it makes people think like that. There was a reason the church always said suicides lead you to hell is because you want people to never do it, right? So, like if people think I take my life, I'm going to spend eternity. You're you're not gonna relieve your suffering by ending your life.

SPEAKER_10 1:44:21

Well, look like listening to Nancy Charles, that thought is why she's still here, you know, alive with us.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:29

Yeah, yeah. You know how many people were saved from going that way because they thought they would be.

SPEAKER_10 1:44:34

Can you imagine what it happened if she had gone to a uh a Catholic priest that told her, Oh no, no, no, if you could if you kill yourself, you'll just go right to heaven. Yeah, she wouldn't be here.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:47

Man, pray for pray pray for pray for people who have priests like that in their lives, man. Like but all right, so I'm going to go and help my wife finish packing because I know that woman has got my my bedroom upside down right now, looking for outfits to wear this weekend. I'm gonna you would think she'd be like in bed getting ready. No, she's gonna my my whole bed is gonna be laid out with outfits that she's looking for something to wear.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:17

You know, like right now. At least you know yours are it's you can either gonna be a black t-shirt or a white t-shirt.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:23

Yeah, I haven't a uniform. Uniform. It's like I wear the same thing everywhere I go. Uh yeah, no, her, she my wife and my wife with her, with the way she like she's always gonna find something unique. She's just uh it's too much. So I know my my room's upside down, and I would like to get some sleep because I'm excited to wake up in the morning and get on my get on my weekend with her. So um, we love you guys. We will see you guys on Tuesday with Rarum Navarum. We are not gonna push it off again. We are going to do it on Tuesday. I'm going to read this weekend.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:57

Uh uh, Brian. Um, I'll be praying for you, man. If you ever need anything, reach out. Uh, what did Brian say? He said four weeks ago I had a pistol pressed up against my head. That thought is the only reason I didn't pull the trigger.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:13

Look, um, depression's a real thing, man. It's a real thing. And suicidal ideation and suicidal thoughts are a very scary thing. And we'll absolutely pray for you, Brian. Go sit in adoration as often as you can and just beg God to bring some light into your heart, man. It's it really is profit. I'm sorry we ended the show on such a such a a down a downer note, but uh yeah, pray for anybody who's who's experiencing uh suicidal thoughts.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:52

If you're if uh if you're watching now, you're in locals. If you're in locals, get in the telegram. And if anyone ever needs anything, just anything. You Ant and I the Telegram's got some bacon. We it's busy, we're not always in there, but you can message us on telegram privately. Uh and I'm sure everyone else in there too, you can message us.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:13

Anybody else in that telegram will be there for you. Yeah, like that you'll you'll you'll always have something something, someone that will be there for you. So all right, guys. We're gonna end this one. Pray for the trip.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:27

And now I'm we're gonna end it with probably the most ridiculous thing Taffy made in Texas. Yeah, Taffy.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:32

Taffy's gonna lift our spirits, guys.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:33

This is gonna be incredible, probably incredibly inappropriate for the conversation we just had, but here we go.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:39

Lift our spirits, Taffy. Let's go. Here we go.

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