Touch Grass: The Devil Is Using Church Drama to Keep You From Heaven

The Catholic internet can make you feel like you have to pick a team every five minutes and if you refuse, you’re the enemy. We’re tired of that, so we talk honestly about burnout after the SSPX blowups, the pressure to perform certainty online, and why stepping away for a weekend can reset your head and your heart. Sometimes the most “traditional” move is closing the apps and living your actual vocation.

We also get into the most sobering kind of reality check: a funeral Mass where basic Eucharistic discipline and liturgical boundaries feel optional. When priests refuse to clarify Communion norms or let the liturgy turn into something improvised, families leave confused and scandalized. That experience feeds right back into the bigger SSPX and Traditional Latin Mass debate, Traditionis Custodes, and the question we keep circling: how do we acknowledge authority while still naming injustice and bad governance?

Then we deliberately pivot to real life: Fourth of July on the water, fireworks, a sudden storm that changes everything, travel plans for an anniversary trip, and the very normal joys and risks of hobbies like quadding and side-by-sides. We close by reacting to the tradwife trend and the media’s caricature of marriage, work, and “fulfillment,” with a blunt reminder that meaning is usually built slowly, at home, with your spouse and kids.

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Transcript

Burnout After The SSPX Firestorm

SPEAKER_06 0:45

Holy crap.

SPEAKER_04 0:52

I am so tired of the SSPX and SETA conversation, man. I'm just so done with it. I'm spent. Oh my gosh. I was telling Rob in the green room, it's like now I have burnout on it, but it was cool to have like a topic to talk about for a couple of episodes because it's it's been it's just been like a content drought going on for a while. So it was like nice to have some stuff going on, but we lost a lot of local subs. I think all our SSPX uh fans are mad at us for not taking a strong stance on this thing. It's uh it's just an all-around crap situation. Yeah, it's just an all-around crap situation. Uh no wonder this show runs at financial loss. Yeah. Um, I'm just glad we I got to smash some grass into JP3. That's that's Sethi Picante's uh puppet change I asked GPT.

SPEAKER_05 1:52

I asked Taffy if he could uh change it to where I blow away the stupid puppet with the gun. And um that'll get yeah, Taffy pointed that out.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

So so we are doing all right, so we're doing uh we're doing that on Tuesday. We just so all right, so we figured this episode we don't really like have like a this episode's gonna be like home kind of all over the place. We're just gonna be hanging out talking about whatever the hell's on our mind. But um we Rob had a funeral this week. Um we had 4th of July over the weekend. So the thing is to get back into this, like this this next one really is a heavy one, so it's not like one that I could just listen to the audio of the encyclical on my way home from work and then just like jump on and riff on it. It's some very deep stuff. Like I so I bought this book, um The Church Speaks to the Modern World, uh, and it's um the social teachings of Leo the 13th, basically. And it's just it's just a very dense topic, and I kind of want to do how much did it make a front's funeral video? So I didn't know you wanted to post that, Rob. I but you sent it to us in the group chat.

SPEAKER_05 3:04

Well, more like I let's just say I didn't want a hundred thousand people to see it, Ant.

SPEAKER_04 3:12

I didn't say who was where it was from, though. I just I think that song it brings back such nostalgia for me, you know.

SPEAKER_05 3:20

I I wish I was using my my glasses so I couldn't zoom in. I wish I could have zoomed in on the priest sitting there, like performatively singing along to it with his legs crossed.

SPEAKER_04 3:31

We can see his legs crossed, but I couldn't really see his face or anything, but it's uh you have to understand, my mom would play these Nova Soto bangers in the car when I was growing up. Like, I have like my mom would play these songs, and especially after they got back from Metrigory when I was a kid. My mom would really sing these in the car. When I die, I hope my nephew films the funeral for Cloud and Trad box.

SPEAKER_05 3:58

I didn't get the trad box.

SPEAKER_04 4:01

So Rob sent us the video, and I was just like, This song is great. Like it's one of the uh it's like uh what do you call that? A um uh a guilty pleasure. You hear it, and you're like, I hate this song, but really you like it.

SPEAKER_05 4:15

But why was it the responsorial psalm?

SPEAKER_04 4:18

Oh, I it was it? I didn't know, yeah, it was. I thought it was like a communion hymn.

SPEAKER_05 4:22

No, that was that was the responsorial psalm.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Um, so yeah, so Rob wanted to say, what Rob wanted to Rob wanted this title and topic tonight because both of us had uh last weekend kind of checked out of social media and uh just went and like lived our lives a little bit. And Rob took his kids uh quadding and four-wheeling and stuff, and I went and I went out on the boat and watched fireworks from the boat. And I actually have a story that I want to tell, but I can't tell it on this side. I tried to get into it with Hitchborne a little bit, and I I can't do it without you. Like I need you to to to bounce over like Hitchbourne. I tried to delve into it a little bit, but it just wasn't it wasn't it wasn't the right uh He didn't know how to respond properly to the stuff he was I don't know it just would have been better if you were there because I could have like it's it was a very Anthony story, you know. So and uh I didn't know it is I didn't want to seem like I was gossiping with uh Hitchboard. So I I'll do it tonight over on the other side. But

Funeral Mass Chaos And Communion

SPEAKER_04 5:28

uh how how was your uh your time away?

SPEAKER_05 5:32

Uh the weekend was good. The weekend was very good. The funeral ruined it afterwards, but the weekend was good.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

Yeah, the funeral, man. It's like when you're going to uh a novus order funeral that you have no say over, you're you're playing novus orto roulette. Like you don't know what you're going to get. It's a total disaster.

SPEAKER_05 5:55

It could be, you know, you could possibly this was the same church, same priest as my grandma's, and they told the priest they wanted it the same as my grandma's, the exact same. So I knew what we were walking into, right? But uh um we had asked the priest if he could say something about communion, because at my grandma's funeral, for those of you who didn't hear that a couple months ago, one of my family members who isn't they were probably baptized Catholic, maybe at first communion, but nothing after that. Um, you know, for 15 years. Uh one of them went up, well, one of them they all went up to receive communion, even though no one's practicing. And one of them took it in her hand and walked back to the pew with it. Right? So after that debacle, where we asked the priest this time, could you say something about who can properly receive communion? She goes, No, I don't do that. It causes more issues. And then my my priest, man. Yeah, well, then my aunt, so um at the my grandma's funeral, my cousin gave a eulogy after mass. In the sanctuary still, but at least after mass. My aunt was gonna give a eulogy before mass, and so she asked the priest, could she, you know, she said, Okay, well then I'll I'll say something to everyone gathered about it, you know, before after the eulogy. He goes, No, I won't let you do that. He he literally forbid forbid it from being said.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

Like honestly, look.

SPEAKER_05 7:42

So what is I just the third person in line went up, took the host, went right back to their pew. And didn't take and didn't and then put it. Well, I don't know what would have happened if someone didn't tell them to, but yeah, it's uh dude, I uh man.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

It's it's hard to it's hard to um argue against the society's position. That's all I'll say. Like it's just you see stuff like that going on, you wonder why these men even became priests, and you wonder what it is that they even like they have absolutely no concern for the faith whatsoever. Like zero.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

This this man does doesn't believe the faith. This priest does not, there's no way. Yeah, it's just hard to so so that like I said, my aunt was gonna give a eulogy before mass. He's he starts mass, forgets all about the eulogy until after the first reading. Remembers well, I sorry, until after the responsorial song that was actually on Eagle's wings. Then he remembers about the eulogy, and instead of waiting for the end of mass, has her give it right then in between the two readings.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

So basically, your aunt gave the homily. Yes, essentially, essentially, essentially your aunt gave the homily, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 9:03

Like the this is in the Archdiocese of St. Paul Minneapolis, and the Archdiocese is actually pretty strict on no eulogies in mass. Yeah, like in all their documentation, they make it very clear priests are not to allow eulogies inside mass. Well, this priest does what he wants, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 9:19

Yeah, I mean, we're I we're going to have to like for me, I'm going to have to leave like instructions in my will. You know, there's going to be instructions in my will of what I want done because I don't want any of this nonsense going on. I mean, my family's good enough that you know, I don't have to worry too much, but it's just it's just crazy. I don't know. It sucks, but like the whole point of what what Rob wanted with the title was basically like go out and touch grass because getting off the internet for a couple of days, it's like you get away from the vitriol online and the Catholic drama, and because I've seen on in the past few days there's just so much animosity on social media right now. Like people are there, like we I I try to take a measured approach with the society thing. Like the thing is, I I I have the position I have, right? And my my position is not that I don't like I completely understand the society, it's more just I think we are ruled by Cretans right now, but I think we are to be subject to them, and I think that's like how we're subject to them will like make us holy. But I may be wrong. Like, I don't know. I don't know. That's just kind of the way I'm I'm um and I don't have a dog in the fight with the society, like I don't go to a society chapel, so I'm I don't know. I tried to give a measured approach to it, but people don't want a measured approach right now. They want you to either be 100% in they just want you to agree with whatever they believe. Yeah, so people are just stuck in echo chambers right now. They're just stuck in echo chambers. And if you're well, I had that like this guy, Mark, that follows me on X, he watches our show all the time, and he's like, I tuned in for five minutes and had to tune out. These guys are Pope spleaners. It's like, you think I'm a Pope spleener? Are you insane? Like, in no way would I defend any of the garbage coming out of the Vatican, any of the garbage Leo's doing. My position is just that okay. So we'll you know what? Why don't we do the Esquire video real quick? Because uh like I I Catholic Esquire is my friend. Like, I I watch all of the stuff he puts out, and he put out a video today that I was I like the argument didn't logically follow what he was saying. Uh so I it's a one-minute clip. I want to just play the one-minute clip because it the way he's framing it is an improper framing. And let's just go through his clip and then I'll I'll keep I'll speak my piece.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

All right. In this video today, we're gonna look at this because it's

Touch Grass And Online Echo Chambers

SPEAKER_02 12:05

very apparent if the SSPX was wrong for consecrating bishops in order to preserve the Catholic faith, to keep tradition alive in the face of the errors of the second Vatican Council and everything that sprang from the second Vatican Council, including the new mass, if the SSPX is wrong about that, then logically speaking, according to all the critics of the SSPX, and I'm talking about Taylor Marshall, Eric Sammons, um uh Joseph Shaw, all of these guys who claim to love tradition, who claim to love the traditional Latin mass, who claim to be submissive and obedient to Leo, all of these guys need to accept the logical consequence of their position, and that is uh the traditionus custodis is correct. And so if they come out and claim that traditionos custodis is wrong, and yet the SSPX is wrong at the same time, that is a major violation of the law of non-contradiction and hypocrisy.

SPEAKER_04 13:15

Okay, so pause it. So, all right, so the thing is I think Leo was wrong to not let them consecrate the bishops, right? Like I think Leo was Leo should have let them consecrate the bishops. I agree with the SSPX that all of this stuff is rooted in the Second Vatican Council and the revolution that took place there. Like, I agree with the society's position. My position is not that Leo did the right thing here. My position is just that Leo has the authority to either give them a mandate or excommunicate them if they don't have the mandate or whatever, right? So it's it but it also doesn't follow that just because they think Leo is wrong, that means the SSPX is right. Like they're right in their argument, but that doesn't mean they're right to go about the consecration without the papal mandate. Now, it it's it's just such a tricky topic because I agree with the society in substance. Like I go back and I listen to Lefebvre and I'm like, holy crap, man, like everything this guy's saying is correct. Anybody who loves the traditional mass, like for you to for you to not give Lefebvre like like without Lefebvre, we don't have the traditional movement the way we do right now. Like it just doesn't, like we probably would have never got some more in pontificum without Lefebvre, all of that stuff. Lefebvre is like the reason that the traditional movement took shape and and had any kind of form, right? And it's like to to just because they think Leo is wrong for not giving them permission doesn't mean they should just take that authority upon themselves and do it without permission, if that makes sense. Like it's not I don't know. I like I don't I don't like the way he's like, and of course, I so e okay, so with traditionus custodus, right? He's saying if you think the society's wrong, then you have to think TC is right. It's like, no, I think TC is trash, but I also do think the Pope has the authority to promulgate the document, TC. Like he's the Pope. So even though I hate the document, I still think the Pope has the authority to put it out. And that and just because I think the document is unjust and cruel doesn't mean that we have the right to go start having illicit masses and do whatever we want and disobey it. So, like to some degree, we may get stuck going to a novus order or finding a Byzantine liturgy or whatever we have to do to survive. My point is that the Pope does have the authority. And uh and the only other position you could take is that the Pope is not the Pope. And I don't I I don't I don't see how I you know I don't I can't take that position. And yeah, I don't think you have to go along with TC and think TC is uh a logical, like logically that TC is correct. None of that. I I think that we're ruled by Cretans right now. So play play the next the

Authority Questions And Traditionis Custodes

SPEAKER_04 16:15

the next video above that. It's actually Catherine and Mark from Catholic Unscripted uh looking at a video out of England of a gay blessing at a novice ordo uh with a cardinal there. Which is like when I saw this video, it's like you know what? It's like I yeah. If they could do something like this, if they could do something like this without consequence, like the SSPX should do whatever the hell they want to do. Like, I I'm almost at that point when you see something like this.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Giving thanks, that the church offers blessing to those who seek it in spirits and in truth. We ask, oh God of love, that your grace come down upon Julian and Martin as they mark the 50th anniversary of their relationship.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Say that you can't bless couples, you can bless individuals. You know, like isn't that isn't the it very clear in Fiducia Supplicans that you can't do exactly what they're doing here?

SPEAKER_07 17:25

Yeah, well, so Bishop Moth, what's gonna happen now? That's the question, isn't it? We could look at this all day long, but it happened, and it happened with a cardinal and the church in Westminster.

SPEAKER_04 17:39

I'm watching I'm watching Pope Splainers say, Well, they're clearly doing something against church teaching, and it's like fiducius does not give permission to this, so they're going against church teaching. It's like at this point, who cares what the document says? They're clearly doing this anyway, and there'll be absolutely no consequences whatsoever.

SPEAKER_05 18:01

Nothing's gonna be done about it, absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_04 18:04

So the whole point of the document was to give cover for guys to go and do this and then just go, oh, we misinterpreted the document. It's this nonsense trash that comes out. So now you look at the society's position and they go, Oh, yeah, let's yeah, okay, we can't do it. We're gonna like the society's like, we're just going to be Catholic, uh, and we need bishops, and we're just going to continue on with the mission that we've been doing since 19 whenever Lefebvre started the the society was in the 70s. Like, they're just going to continue on doing what they're doing. And you have to, in some respect, just go, yeah, all right, man. Like, honestly, the the the infighting I'm watching in the Catholic world right now is so insane because people are losing friendships over this, and it's like, I may have like my opinion on on like, yeah, the Pope probably has the authority, maybe they shouldn't have done this, but like, I don't look at guys that go to the SSPX any different. Like, I don't think they're schismatics and not Catholic. I just I'm just like, uh, I don't know. Technically, I probably would side with the Pope has the authority. That's just where I kind of fall on that side of the argument. But I don't, I mean, you see trash like that, and you're just like, We are living like if this isn't the great apostasy, I don't know what the hell the great apostasy is gonna look like, man.

SPEAKER_05 19:20

It can always get worse, eh?

SPEAKER_04 19:22

It's going to get worse. That's the thing. It's going to get worse, it's absolutely going to get worse. It's just, I just I don't know, man. This is like that. Is what the hell is that? That's worse than any Anglican service I've ever seen. That is horrific what we just watched. Yep. It's just it's just insane. So I don't know. Yeah. I like I'm I'm tired of talking about this topic. I don't I want to drop it and I want to leave it alone. And I I don't want like I don't want to lose friends over this crap. Like, we all know the inside. Like, honestly, I hate the freaking Novus Ordo. And part of the reason I hate the sedes is because all they do is shove the Novus Ordo down my throat. It's like I don't want to think about the Novus Ordo. I don't want to look at it. I just want to live my Catholic faith the best I can. My SSPX priest went above and beyond to take care of my son from his birth to death where I live. Not a single Novus Ordo priest would do do what they did. So uh Joe Boca went. So Joe Boca was going to the society for years, and then um he he started, he had like uh a security gig where he was working night. So he was I was seeing him every week at the uh diocesan TLM. So he's because the diocesan's way later in the day. There's one at 11 30 and there's one at 12 30. So I was seeing him at the diocesan Latin mass for like the past year because it's just easier for him to go. He's staying up late at night working security, and then he goes to that. So he hasn't been to the chapel, to the society chapital in about a year. And he went after the consecrations and he said, Um, father, like chased him, chased him down. He's like, Joe, where have you been? You know, and he and he was just like, you know, he's just very concerned for his soul and very concerned for him. So it's like, yeah, like you're talking about priests who have genuine care for souls. You're talking about priests who have genuine care for the Catholic faith. And to put that up against the garbage we just watched, I don't know. Like, I don't honestly, I don't good for good for the I'm glad they did what they did, whatever. Go at it, guys.

SPEAKER_05 21:20

The gays or the SSBX?

SPEAKER_04 21:25

The gays are gonna end up in hell. That's all I know.

SPEAKER_05 21:28

But I can't I can't not according to the church, yeah. No, according to the church, the SSBX are gonna end up in hell.

SPEAKER_04 21:39

Uh it is, dude. It is just such a crap show right now.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

But remember, the Orthodox can give you confession, but uh SSBX can't.

SPEAKER_04 21:48

Yeah. Yeah, it's like, and then um we'll we'll cover a few things before we head over to locals. We're gonna probably do a longer local show tonight. We'll do a short YouTube show tonight. Um What else did I put in here? I have I threw some uh I threw that that that I love how we talked about the topic for 30 seconds. Yeah, because I don't really want to what the actual show topic? Yeah, the show topic. All right, so we can do that. Um well I can't talk about last weekend because we're gonna do that on locals, but uh tomorrow's my 21st wedding anniversary, so I have off of work tomorrow. And I'm leaving my house at 8 a.m. And I'm leaving. I can you pull up a map of Long Island? Maybe I should do it and share it because then I could use my my arrow pointer. Um so I'm heading to um I'm I'm heading um me and my wife are leaving in the morning to go to um Greenport. Let me see, Matt Long Island. Let me see if I can pull this up.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

Let me see if I can share a screen here. Share a screen.

SPEAKER_05 23:08

There we go. I can do this. I got this, guys. This is this is big guys. What kind of map is this?

SPEAKER_04 23:17

I don't know. I'm just pulling something up so you can see.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

This is terrible.

SPEAKER_04 23:20

Oh, you can't even see my pointer on it. There's no point in doing this. You got a better map. Pull up a map of Long Island. I thought I could, I thought you would see my uh all right. So you're gonna zoom in about halfway on the island on the south shore, and you're gonna see Patchog. Uh it's gonna be uh further uh uh east. So all right, so now you see Long Island, right? You see the bottom of Long Island, and then you see that barrier beach, right? And you see that body of water in the middle, right? So you all right, so that barrier beach, that's fire island. Uh and you have the south shore. So that that barrier beach, that you have that's the barrier beach right there. The ocean's on the side where your arrow pointer is.

SPEAKER_05 24:04

Oh, Cherry Grove, that's the real game.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

Right there, exactly. Okay, so where your arrow is is the um Atlantic, okay? Yeah, yeah. Uh on the inside, on the other side of the barrier beach, that's the great south bay. So right about where you are is um it's probably a little further east, is is Patchog. So go right there, Patchog Bay. So I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna go in the Great South Bay and I'm gonna head all the way east. Um, so go east, go east, further, further. Now you see that little crack where it leads out to the the ocean right there? Right there. That's Rich's inlet. So I'm gonna go from Patchog out to Merch's Inlet. I go out onto the ocean, and then I go further east on the ocean. Because if I stay in the Great South Bay, I have to go five miles an hour the whole way. Keep going all yeah. So go, I'm on the ocean tomorrow. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Right there is that's the Shinnecock inlet. Okay, so I come in the Shinnecock inlet there, then go north, and then you see that channel right there that goes into that next body of water, those are the locks right there, okay? I have to go through those locks and then into the Baconic, which is the in between the two forks, and then I gotta go all the way east, and I gotta go basically almost to Montauk. And you'll see Greenport on the north side of the south side of the North Fork is Greenport, all the way out. All right, and that's where I'm gonna head. It's a it's gonna be like a

Holidays On The Water And Off-Road Life

SPEAKER_04 25:35

three-hour journey with a long ride on the ocean tomorrow. So we're getting up about 8 a.m. to go because it we're getting thunderstorms and bad weather in the afternoon tomorrow. So I'm getting up early, it's my anniversary, 21 years, and we're gonna take that trek, and then we're staying uh in Greenport for the weekend. And I'm going to not touch grass, but I will be touching plenty of water.

SPEAKER_05 26:04

I have a bunch of cousins coming up and renting a house about half an hour away from us. And I'm gonna get up really early on Saturday and take the the quad, the side by side. How long do you have it? Oh, I I bought one yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 26:21

You you bought it. So Rob last week, he's like, I'm renting one to see if I like it. And uh, if I like it, I might buy one and he might have buying it. Good for you, man. They're so much fun, aren't they?

SPEAKER_05 26:34

Uh it's a lot of fun. The one I rented over the weekend was much more of the like workhorse on the ranch sort of ver, you know, uh side by side. And it was not super fun on the trails. Like it was it was rough riding on the trails. So uh the one I bought is much more of a much more for the trails and should be a lot funner up here.

SPEAKER_04 27:01

Yeah, my uncle had my uncle had like a like seven of them, right? You know, like my uncle had a garage full of quads and side-by-sides. When you came, I think there was only two side-by-sides. He used to have like five of them, but he had a thousand cc razor two-seater. That thing did zero to six feet in like three seconds.

SPEAKER_05 27:23

Mine's uh a thousand cc four-seater. Yeah, think of it as it's not, it's not uh it's not razor, it's uh can a maverick, but it's the same style, but it's four-seater.

SPEAKER_04 27:34

Dude, they're so much fun, man. We would, I mean, I we would go out drinking and driving on the bus property. It was so bad. So many accidents. I had we went up one time, it was like all the guys from work went, and we we go and we're we're driving them out. There's like these power lines up on my uncle's property, and we're flying on them. And uh they had they col one of the quads collided into one of them, and my friend went over the front. We had to have them airlifted out because we couldn't get him back to the house with a freaking helicopter, had to come out by the freaking uh the the power lines and pick them up, and he got airlifted out. They charge they charged him 40 grand for that helicopter ride.

SPEAKER_05 28:14

Yeah. Every time I heard every so because I know your uncle sold the house up there, but uh every time you went up there and used those things, you broke one broke every single time. Every time it was it was it was never like it's like what you know, Ant's gonna have to come here and you'll have to take him on, like, yeah, but he's not allowed to drive, he breaks.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

I never broke one, I never broke one. That's what's funny. It was always people I brought that used them, and they broke them. It was every time it was either my brother-in-law broke it or my son's friend broke it. I never broke any of them, but they were never like $500 fixes, they were always like $2,500 fixes. And my uncle was so bad at me every time he always paid to fix it too. He never took money from me. It was just so nuts. But they're so much fun, they're just dangerous, man. I mean, you're um you're gonna be careful on it, but like we would use them. Like my son's friend was drinking and driving on the thing, and he hit a tree stump and he freaking bent the whole frame on it.

SPEAKER_05 29:13

Well, so hope's nieces were killed on one, like three on a quad though, right? Not no, it was a side-by-side, really. So it took all it took a long time before Hope was comfortable with this idea.

SPEAKER_04 29:25

Yeah, yeah, you just have to be cautious on them. I know a few people that died on quads. I I know at least three people that died on quads. I had I had one friend, one friend is paralyzed from them. I have another another uh it was like a total freak accident. Was um my my wife's cousin's friends, they were up on their house up at their house using them, and he was just like riding it from the driveway into the garage to put it away, and the thing just took off and he and he hit a tree and wound up dying on it. And they're very like quads are way more. I always got nervous with quads, but at least the side by sides you put seat belts on, like the seat belts, helmets, yeah. Yeah, like helmets, seat belts, the thing that always had a roll cage on it. So, like I like I've seen guys flip them and they're they're okay. You know, you just gotta be careful on them. But um, yeah, it's just like when you turn the social media off and you get out of your house and you go live a little bit, you kind of forget all this crap is going on, and then you're just reminded of it if you gotta go play novus or roulette. Like if you're if you're if you're not at your home place where you like to go to mass, you're gonna you never know what you're gonna get.

SPEAKER_05 30:31

What really um I I won't say like it didn't anger me, but what like bewildered me was seeing the number of of people, especially people who claim to want to live traditional lives, post about this sort of stuff on the fo literally on the fourth of July. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, that's nuts. Like, yeah, how what how what could be more modernist than a lay person complaining about church politics on the internet on the you know on a major national holiday?

SPEAKER_04 31:04

50th anniversary of our country. It was a dude, we we were out and just like you like I saw some of the videos you you sent me, and they you're just like walking around, it was like such Americano. It was like like small town Americana, just people out walking around the town, you guys are just all hanging out, and you know, you stay for a fireworks show and stuff. Like there's something very um and just getting people together like that. The Fourth of July, I do like for that reason, right? Like you get you get groups of people together, everybody pulls their lawn chair up, and they just kind of you know pull up a seat and they watch the fireworks. Like we we watched them. I gotta tell the full story on the other side because I can't really tell it. But like me and my wife were watching them from the boat. We had people that were supposed to watch them with us, but they didn't, they they had a blowout, and so we dropped them off, and me and my wife go out to watch them, and we're just sitting on the boat, dude. And from the South Shore of Long Island, you're on the you're on the coast of Long Island, and there's 30 fireworks shows going on all up and down the coast, and you're just seeing the whole skyline lit up, and then out of nowhere, these two bolts of lightning, like I'm talking cloud to ground lightning, hit the water like a couple of miles out from us, and it was it was it lit the sky up more than the fireworks. That's when Nicole, we gotta get off the water right now, like yeah, and then we get off the water, and I'm talking 80 mile an hour winds come blowing through, dude. Like people's trees got knocked down, and it was it was literally a 10-minute storm where these winds came through, people's trees went down. Uh, my in-laws, there was a guy had a bonfire on the beach, and they live on uh they live, they have like dunes by their house. They're on they're up on like this dunes, and the wind came in and blew the fire onto the dunes. The dunes, because it was so dry and hot in the days leading up, the dunes lit up totally engulfed in flames. They would have lost the entire dune if it wasn't for the rain that followed the wind. Like the the it was all over the news. The the whole like half the dune burned up, and then all of a sudden it started raining and it put it out, thank God. But everything was just like bone dry because we had this heat wave that came through before that. It was we I had Bobby and my sister out the week before. We had we had a week-long heat wave where it was a hundred degrees out, man. And Bob Bobby came out. Uh, we took Bobby and Chrissy out right after they got engaged, and we're out on the water on the sound on the north shore of Long Island, and it's nice and cool because you're on the sound and the and the cool breeze from the sound. We took the water Connecticut. As soon as we pulled in the marina in Connecticut, it felt like we were driving into an oven.

SPEAKER_06 34:01

Like this heat just hit us.

SPEAKER_04 34:02

We were like, oh my gosh, man, how are we going to handle this? We got off the boat, we ate something, we were literally all fanning our faces like this. We were just like, it was just dreadfully hot. We couldn't even stay there. We ate something real quick and just got back out on the water because it was so freaking hot in Connecticut. But yeah. Um, so we have a few topics we can cover though. Um, there uh on the other side, I figured we could do it. I wanted to do that that black woman who shot the veteran in the parking lot. I wanted to get your take on it.

SPEAKER_05 34:37

Why? I don't I don't think there's enough info to have a good take on it.

SPEAKER_04 34:44

Or should we do the trad the trad wife thing real quick? So go up either one, whatever you want to do. Yeah, do the trad wife one here. Let's

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SPEAKER_04 34:55

do the trad wife one. I want to do the trad wife one because this one's an interesting one.

SPEAKER_05 35:06

It looks like a video of an annoying woman.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

It is an annoying woman. Of course it is. Of course it's an annoying woman. Let's play this one.

SPEAKER_08 35:16

Where are they hiding the 47-year-old trad wives? That's what I want to know. That's what I think about every time I see one of these videos from like a 19 or 20-year-old um talking about having no job and no degree, and she loves it and it's amazing. Where are the trad wives that are my age, that are 47, that are 50? Why are they not out there espousing um how amazing?

SPEAKER_05 35:35

Doesn't she realize most 50-year-old women aren't on Instagram? Like Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 35:40

That's exactly what it is. Like I I played this with my wife before. I'm like, I'm like, she wants to know where all the 47-year-old trad wives are. She goes, We're not on the internet. That's like oh my gosh. So the ones that are 20 are doing a LARP, right? Yeah. So there it's that's what it really comes down to. So, all right, wait. I I'm gonna I I sent one to our um uh because I want to send you this. Like, there's the there's the the 47-year-old tradwise are are watching us, they're not online. So I'm gonna send this one to the telegram because it's it was in our group chat, but um, I want to read this article, pull this article up. This is totally insane. I just sent it to Telegram. Yeah, I got it. So this the like the young girl trad wife LARP is a thing, right? And it's these young girls who get on the internet and they're baking cakes and they're doing all this stuff, and it's like it's a LARP, they're not really trad wives, like they're on the internet and they're they're e-girls, right? This that's a very different thing than a genuine trad wife, right? A legitimate trad wife is just at home, like caring for her home. So, um, this this article is infuriating. So divorce, destitute, and left for dead, the dark side of trad wife life after 35. Divorce was analogous to a curse word for uh Anit Anitza Templeton's hyper-traditional faith-centered home, with her husband hailed king of the castle, almost rivaling the holy trinity between God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Templeton, who married at age 26, eagerly abandoned her dreams of pursuing a career in art to instead satisfy her man's every command. I mean, that's my wife. She abandoned her career in art. First off, there's no such thing of a career in art. Exactly. From growing the family's produce in her private garden, like this woman is describing a an idyllic, beautiful life. Growing growing the family's produce in her private garden to gussing up in a sexy outfit and cosmetics before he came home from work. The brunette's routine became that of an extreme 1950s homemaker, obeying baking, and baby making. First off, I don't believe a word of this. This woman did not do any of these things. This woman is a hag. No, so I don't believe any of that. Um, so it's a regime that most traditional or trad wives follow based on religious principles. Unlike housewives, women who raise kids and manage their households as equals to their working spouses. Like, come on. Women who raise kids and manage their households as equals to their working spouses. Trad wives often become subservient subordinates whose sole purpose is to please their partner. This is not, I don't know, maybe this exists. Like the the the the a trad wife's duties are to her home. It's like it's just so dumb. It's such a caricature and a cliche. Um, but by 36, Templeton found herself feeling like a prisoner in her marriage, which ultimately ended in the once taboo D-word. And the mother of four shared that her biggest challenge post-divorce was navigating life without a solid education, professional resume, or real-world experience. The New Jersey native is just one in the one in the rising army of former trad wives who, after saying I do to a life of submissive servitude, like oh man, no, that's like like like trads are keeping their wives as slaves.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

It's so what's that what's that stupid show?

SPEAKER_04 39:20

Um oh with the uh Gideon or something, right? The the uh the the with the red yeah yeah yeah the what is it the the housemaid thing handmaid's tale yeah that show one-shotted women so bad, so bad no I don't know, I don't know if it gets into it, but I notice so far they haven't told us anything about this divorce as to and not listen to me. They do not they can't list a single thing the husband did wrong. Like the husband's out working all day, the wife has a garden and she looks pretty for him when he comes home. My goodness, the horror. How could she live a life of subservience to her husband like this? It's like, dude, my wife, uh, I come home and my wife, like yesterday I came home and my wife decided she was going to paint all the doors in my house while I was at work yesterday. And I come home, my wife is covered in paint. And I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, I decided to paint everything today. And like that, like my wife does what she wants to do. It's not like she's I I some days I come home and she's in the backyard in the garden and she's gardening and doing her thing in the backyard. She's not sitting around as my sleep, like especially now at this point in life. Like, she's just literally does what she wants to do, and she and every woman I know that goes to work is miserable at work, like they're not nobody wants to work. I don't want to work. Why would anyone work? I would give anything to not have to work. It's so insane that people think that they want to work. Guess what, guys? Careers aren't fulfilling. Stop telling people they're fulfilling. That's they're not fulfilling. That's really what it is, right? So people think you're going to be fulfilled in a career, and you're definitely not.

SPEAKER_05 41:11

I like my job you think you want them to be fulfilling because your normal life isn't fulfilling. That's what you're getting wrong.

SPEAKER_04 41:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:18

Your wife outside of work is supposed to be fulfilling, right?

SPEAKER_04 41:21

So, like, I am not, I don't dude. I go to work, it's just a way to provide for my family. Like, it's just all it is, it's just the thing that brings the paycheck in to pay the bills, to do the thing I actually care about, which is being a husband and father. Like, that's my purpose. My purpose is being a husband and father.

SPEAKER_05 41:37

I don't give a about they're the opposite of affiliate, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:41

Absolutely, man. Like, whoever's feeding anyone this nonsense that, like, you're gonna be fulfilled from your career. Like, men aren't fulfilled in their career, it's so dumb. People who say they be bored at home are boring people. Yeah, my wife's never bored, never ever, ever bored. Ever. Because I I watched the clip of um uh LeBron James recently, where he was like, It's like, I don't know, I could I couldn't have my wife just sitting. I I could never marry like a stay-at-home girl who like is just sitting around on the couch all day while I'm out working. And first off, the man doesn't know what working is. But but the point is, like, I've never I'm not kidding. I'm married 21 years tomorrow. I have never once come home from work and my wife is sitting on the couch. Never once. Like, my wife doesn't sit on the couch, my wife is always doing stuff, she's constantly doing stuff. I've never seen her not busy. She's got a ton of stuff to do at our house. She's constantly doing my freaking my my I can't tell you how often the furniture is changed around in my house. And then I'll come home and um it's I'm numb to it now because it happens so often. And I'll come home and I won't notice that the whole room is rearranged. And she thinks I'm like, I don't she, I she's just like, How do you not notice that I change? I'm like, because you change it twice a week. I'm like, I don't know. You had it like this last week. It's like, how often can you change the furniture around? And you think I'm still gonna notice? It's not something that crazy. I don't know. She's moved her computer desk from the dining room to the living room to the bedroom 87 times in this year alone.

SPEAKER_05 43:22

Meanwhile, Ant's changed the studio once on this show in four years, and it was the most controversial thing he's ever done.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

It really was. I upended my entire house to put this studio together. Um, all right, so and Templeton shared that her biggest challenge post-divorce was navigating life without a solid education, professional resume, or real world experiences. The New Jersey native is just oh, we went through all this already. Um so there aren't a lot of trad wives over 35 or 40 because the the reason I put this article after is because this is a response to that woman asking where all the 47 year old trad wives are. There aren't a lot of trad wives over 35 or 40 because. They've either got divorced and moved away from the lifestyle after learning how toxic it can be. Templeton, now 43, a woman, a women's advocate, currently based in Denver. So this woman was a conservative trad wife, and now she's a women's advocate. Like this woman was always a freaking women's advocate. Yeah. Get out of here. Online discourse around the uh around the former trad wives erupted recently after Jessica Valenti, a New York City feminist speaker and author, asked a seemingly lighthearted question on social media. That's a video we just watched. Uh, at a certain age, I got to the point in in the marriage where I was like, Oh Mg, is this really what I want to do with my life? What comes after this? So, like first off, there's no it's not like her husband abused her, it's not like her husband cheated. At a certain point, she got to her, she she's got her she got her children and her husband.

SPEAKER_05 44:54

At a certain point, she went does does she have children? Because you'd be imagined being one of her children, and he hearing her say that. Is this really what I do with me? Like, what comes after this?

SPEAKER_04 45:04

These women, I'm telling you, they're on social media, they get a DM from an old guy on Facebook or something like that. Like, so these women always think the grass is greener somewhere else, so they throw a nuke into their own home and rip their family apart because they think they're gonna find something better. She's a 43-year-old hag with nobody going around as a women's advocate. Because what else is she going to do? And then she's gonna be 50 one day. Her children aren't gonna talk to her because she torpedoed their life, yeah, and she's gonna be alone at 55, 60. It's just it's crazy what some of these women do.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

It's it's on it's so much of it, is because these women are told that they're worth way more than they're worth, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 45:52

Like that they deserve everything that and and they think they're going to go onto the dating market at 40 with three kids, and guys are gonna be dying to to hang out with them. And what what they really like, especially in the modern dating world, guys in their 40s are not looking to like it's not like it used to be like if a guy gets divorced, he wants to get remarried. Like, these guys are just running through these women, like and so they're getting treated like garbage. They're just getting you see the freaking guy up in Maine getting accused of in a situation ship and like 40 years old. It's like these women have no idea what they're setting themselves up for, man. Um, uh wait, I just wanted to read this one more paragraph. You can leave it that. I'll just read it. Of the trad wives who do stay in their marriages, she believes they have become dead inside, and that's why they're not promoting a lifestyle like the young, popular trad wives online. Uh, older wives are keeping their heads down, getting their teeth and gritting their teeth and waiting to die because that's all that's left for them. The projection there is astounding, dude. Let me just tell you something. Uh, I can only speak from my firsthand experience. Like me and my wife are getting older now. We're in our mid-40s. Like, it's exciting to like do things together. Like, I don't know. I get I we because I had um I was talking to a couple of guys at work the other day, and like some of these guys are just miserable in their marriages. And I'm like, I don't maybe I I don't maybe I'm just a maybe I really am like the one person who actually enjoys their spot. Like, I like my wife, like we go and do things together, we have fun together. I'm excited to go away with her this week, and we're gonna have fun. I'm not even trying to be wife guy, like it's just I enjoy her, she's fun. I don't hate her guts. When I hear guys talk about their wives, like they hate their wives. I'm just like, how did you get yourself into this mess? Like, how how do guys get into a situation where they don't even know the person they're married? Like, people get married, and then they I think people just let their relationships get totally like they they just let their relationship die, man.

SPEAKER_05 48:03

I don't know. I don't I don't get it, like you know, at some level, like I understand having separate hobbies, but the couples that have separate hobbies that take them like physically apart for like whole weekends at a time seem uh weird to me. Like's tweet today.

SPEAKER_04 48:24

Who Matt Rifes had something really funny? I don't know how he didn't want this right. He's a comedian. He was talking about guys that play golf. It was actually really funny. I gotta find it. Hang on. Uh he said, hang on, dudes who love golf, just get the divorce already. Like it was just that simple. Like guys who are off every weekend at the local golf course and their wife doing something totally different. It really is nuts. It's like just get the divorce already. You guys don't like each other, you're just looking for an excuse to get away from her.

SPEAKER_05 48:57

I I really, yeah. I can't like yeah, there's things I like to do that that hope doesn't like to do, and vice versa.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

Yeah, like you go to the gun range and you're shooting, right?

SPEAKER_05 49:08

But even then, I'd have more fun at the gun range with her there. Yeah, like there's almost nothing in my life that isn't better with her and my kids around, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 49:17

Like for me, it's for me, it like it in the summer it's the boat, in the winter it's snowboarding, things like that. Like, my wife comes with me on all that stuff. I don't have like a separate hobby from her, you know. It's like I don't know, I don't I don't gamble, I don't do I don't I don't know. I I look forward to my weekends to go and spend with my wife and kids, and we just go and do stuff together, and it's like the highlight of my life. I'd rather be doing that than anything else. Yep. Um, yeah, you want to know something? She's she's she's on the other side of that wall, and she listens a lot of times, Hope, but not even that. Like, I'm not saying there's like you shouldn't have like Rob just said, like, you can have some things you do in the reach, but like it, I think it's important to just have I was I was I was thinking about it. Like, if I hit Lotto, like I think I would still do this show. Like, I like if if the if I hit Lotto and I did not need the money whatsoever at all, I think I would still do this show with you. I enjoy doing it. I might not do every two two episodes a week. Like, I might say, all right, we'll cut it down to one episode a week, you know what I mean? But I don't I don't think I would stop doing it. Like, I enjoy coming on and talking with my friend and getting a chance to talk. I don't gamble except that time when I gambled and they gave me 16,000 extra. Freaking Don. I hate Don. He remembered first of all, it's really good to see Dodd in the chat again. It's really good to see him in the chat. He hasn't been in a while. Um, I don't well, I don't gamble, but I talk, I'm talking Bobby. Uh Rob, we're gonna have to talk about this. Um, the wedding. Like, are we are you are you and Hope gonna come to the wedding, or do you want to just come to the bachelor party? We gotta figure this out. We'll talk offline, but um, I'm trying to talk Bobby into doing Atlantic Party.

SPEAKER_05 51:01

Because I'd have to know like dates and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 51:03

Yeah, of course, of course. We'll figure all that out. Um, we're trying to figure out I want him to do Atlantic City for the bachelor party, just because it's in between me and him. Like he's in Virginia and I'm in New York. I figured Jersey, you know, uh Atlantic City is a good meetup in the middle. So, and plus I think all my brothers are gonna want to go to something like that. It's like we'll go, we'll grab dinner together, we'll lose all our money at the blackjack table, and then we'll just go hang at the bar together. Do something like that.

SPEAKER_05 51:30

Um it's too bad your uncle didn't have a big house in Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_04 51:34

Yeah, that would have been fun to do. All right, so wait, I I didn't I blur brushed over this. I know you put it up. I travel a ton for business and for reserves, gets old when married with kids. I can't I don't know how army families do it. I really don't. I don't know how um oh Molly, you play golf? That's probably interesting. Yeah, Paul goes to the the the shooting range without on his own, but he golfs with her. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 52:02

You gotta I I don't golf has no draw for me at all.

SPEAKER_04 52:09

I don't I don't yeah, I don't know. No, I've played golf twice. I suck so bad at it, but it is fun. You get a couple beers and you you just like we we were like crashing into each other with the golf carts and stuff. We made a fun day out of it, but all right, so if I won the lottery, I would still watch this show. We appreciate you

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SPEAKER_04 52:30

guys. Yeah, and by the way, like our show is dying right now. So if you guys want a super chat, we'd appreciate it.

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Or or more we'd rather you go subscribe on locals. Yeah, we'd way rather you join locals. Also, it might be dying because we forgot to do you know things like our ad sponsors.

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I I've done them every time. Not today we haven't, not today we didn't, but um, I'm sure I'm as we're as we're talking, I'm trying to think of a good knickknack success story. Uh um do you have do you have any good knickknack success? I was all right, so the the the Bobby Bobby's best man. He's like uh well guy on the phone, he's like, uh, you want to be my best man? I'm like, no, you have a brother.

SPEAKER_05 53:17

Like yeah, like you have a brother. Like your brother's gonna be your best man. Was my brother my best man? No, sorry, Ryan. Um, but I I admit that I was wrong there. I'm sorry, Ryan.

SPEAKER_04 53:33

So I'm like, no, you have a brother. I'm like, I'm not giving a speech at your wedding. He's like, Yeah, that's why my brother doesn't want to do it. But then I was thinking about it. I'm like, all right, what if I did do the speech at the wedding?

SPEAKER_05 53:45

Oh, whoa, we could turn it into an avoiding Babylon talk.

SPEAKER_04 53:48

And a knick-knack ad. I can make the whole thing a knick-knack ad. It might actually work out good. Uh yeah, it's like I did the studio over and now the show's end. No, I think it I think the SSPX was such a touchy subject that six months people will cool down. That's what I think too. But like when I tell you we lost a hundred local subscribers in the past week, like people just unsubscribe from which never happens. Like, we'll we'll lose five or six and then we'll get ten. People just unsubscribe from locals in the past week. And I think it's because of the SSPX thing, which sucks because I don't care that much about it.

SPEAKER_05 54:29

Yeah, do a normal speech and then halfway do sponsorship ad reads.

SPEAKER_04 54:34

I I think I could I think I could put a good I think I could put a good uh oh we miss you, Mimi. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Um we will all walk with you into obscurity. We'll keep doing it, guys, as long as some people watching, we don't care.

SPEAKER_05 54:52

No, Don. We got your credit, we got your debit card number. You're subscribed forever.

SPEAKER_04 54:57

You won't I won't let you live at that. You have to make eye contact with me on Sundays. There's no chance. That's the other thing. Sunday, like I'm going to Greenport this weekend. I'm playing Novus Ordo Roulette this weekend. Because I don't think there's gonna unless Patrick just texted me. He's working in Greenport. Uh, so maybe he knows a place to go to mass out there. He said, I work in Greenport, I work in Greenport, I'm there tomorrow. So maybe, maybe uh we'll see him while I'm out there. But Patrick, if you know somewhere to go to Mass out there, let me know because it's gonna be a rough one this weekend, I have a feeling. Um people on sub because of the SSPX thing. I mean, I go to SSPX chapel, and I didn't think you said anything other than what you've always said. Yeah, I I I didn't think so either, but people don't want like uh uh just like a measured response on things. They want you to come down hardcore on their side. So I mean I don't look at anybody that goes to the SSPX any differently than I did two weeks ago. I mean, they've been telling me the SSPX is in schism since 2005 when I started paying attention to this stuff, so I don't see how it's any different now than it was then. Konomi, Konomi's in the chat. Konomi goes to the society. You think I'd think look at Konomi any differently? Love Konomi. Come to Portland, Oregon. I'll take you to a great TLM. I would I want to go to the West Coast very badly. But I pray for you out in Portland, though.

SPEAKER_05 56:18

I want to go to like Montana. I don't know if I need to go further west than that.

SPEAKER_04 56:25

I want to no, I want to go see the national parks in Washington State, um California national parks. There's some beautiful national parks out west.

SPEAKER_05 56:36

Yeah, but I can't carry a gun.

SPEAKER_04 56:40

That's true. Um yeah, uh, well, I I spoke with we have a Father Modsley update for locals.

SPEAKER_05 56:47

Do we?

SPEAKER_04 56:48

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you didn't watch the last locals episode, but we did get into uh some of the stuff with him on the last locals episode. Um yeah, Rob doesn't even know that me and him have been named as Russian assets, also.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

I didn't, not until the green right before the show.

SPEAKER_04 57:07

I told him right before the show. I said, Oh, in case you don't know, we uh we have been named as Russian assets. Um yeah, I do I do have a follow up.

SPEAKER_05 57:18

Do Russian assets get money?

SPEAKER_04 57:20

No, apparently uh we just um yeah, I I the I have Father Mosley scheduled for when his next book comes out. That's when we're gonna get him back on. But um I did.

SPEAKER_05 57:37

I did study Russian. You're right, Don.

SPEAKER_04 57:41

Do you have a Russian connect that I'm unaware of? Are you taking are you taking money from the Kremlin and not cutting me in on it?

SPEAKER_05 57:49

Have you seen the exchange rate? There's not much to cut you in on.

SPEAKER_04 57:54

Um, I did not see the Father uh Gregory Pine with Wagner episode. I saw people clipping it and ragging him for saying some of the similar things that we say, just like the Novus Ordo is kind of a dumpster fire, and people were calling it like Stockholm syndrome and stuff, but I think it's just recognizing reality. Yeah, you guys break my shops for buying a boat. Rob's out here buying side by sides.

SPEAKER_05 58:20

First off, wait, where'd it go? Buying is kind of a stretch, it's financed.

SPEAKER_04 58:25

Like yeah, well, my boat was my boat was my boat. My boat was basically a car payment, you know. I mean, it's paid off now, but it was basically a car car payment when I bought it.

SPEAKER_05 58:36

Well, luckily the side-by-side is less than the car payment.

SPEAKER_04 58:40

Uh, my my boat was a hundred dollars less than my car payment was when I bought the boat. It was a hundred dollars less than the car payment was until the motor blew and I had to dump. Now the car's paid off, and the boat's paid off, and I'm guaranteeing my car engine goes soon, man. It's just the way it happens. Yeah. Um, what did what did uh Ocean say about Kanomi? You always looked at me differently. Yes, you always looked at me differently first day in Italy, and then Ocean says, it's because you're black. No. Well, technically, yes, because I thought Kenomi was like an African migrant in Italy when I first met him. So like I literally did because there was African migrants coming up to me. Oh yeah. Did I tell the story on here? No. When we get to Rome, first off, everybody gets to Rome, and we're there uh a day before Konomi gets there. So like I think the whole group's there, and I don't know, there's more people coming. And then so Konomi got there a day late because his flight got delayed. Now, the next day we're in in the Vatican, basically, like we're in Vatican City, and when you're in Vatican City, there are African migrants everywhere trying to sell you phone chargers, trying to sell you um like uh little little statues of the Vatican.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:13

Oh, that that sounds like the Mall of America.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:15

Yeah, it's like you know, like you like when they're in France, they're selling you little Eiffel Towers and stuff. So Konomi comes up to me and he hands me like one of these trinkets, and I just look at him, I go, bro, I'm not buying your stupid trinkets. And he goes, Anthony, it's me, Konomi. I'm here for you, and I'm like, Oh, I felt so bad. Oh, I felt terrible. Oh me is uh a dear friend now, and he has a heart of gold. He's like he's one of those guys, even my wife says it like when you're around Konomi, you just like you like you feel like you're around somebody who's just holy, you know. He he kind of just like puts all he you you feel like you're you're you're hanging with Jesus when you're with Konomi. He's a beautiful person. But yes, that was kind of funny when that happened. Uh at least that's hilarious. Um, what is this? Justice for Kenomi. Uh all right, so we're at an hour. We're gonna go over to locals. We'll uh I'll tell the full story of what happened on the boat this weekend. Um, let's do our Knickknack head. So uh I'm gonna think of a I'm gonna get a good idea for uh rarem on Tuesday. But um go to knick knack.com, use code AB25% for 25% off your first purchase. Knickknacks are nicotine lozenges, they are way better than any of the other pouches out there. We love Knickknacks, they are our biggest uh supporters. Uh use 25 AB25 for 20 ab 25% for 25% off your first purchase, and use code AB10 for 10% off every subsequent purchase. I am we get all my cousins hotel on this weekend. Oh, that's what happened. So he wanted to shake my hand, but the bracelet one guy gave him was in this so basically Konomi came up, and one of the migrants gave him a thing, and then Konomi comes over to shake my hand, and I thought he was trying to hand me the thing that got so I thought he was selling something, and I'm like, I don't want this thing. What are you doing? It was it was a very funny thing when it happened. Oh, I felt bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:31

So um, okay, so what's funny is you could go to like Norway and they would think you're an African migr migrant trying to sell them a toy drink.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:39

You see that you see Mamdani didn't put little Italy as uh as one of the immigrant uh outcrops and or outposts in in New York. Everybody's saying that means the Italians are finally making it as whites. Um go to blackmonkrosary.com, get 10% off an amazing black monk rosary by going to blackmonkrosary.com using code AvoidingBabylon at checkout. Uh we love black monk rosaries. Is there anything coming up that would make a good gift for um what's coming up? We have our ladies' feast day in August.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:14

In August, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:15

Yeah, we have in August we have our Lady's Feast Day. I don't know. It like honestly, if you know a convert, grab one for a convert that's just coming in. Uh, if you know somebody who's considering the faith, grab one and get one for them. If you have children, all your children should have black monk rosaries, guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:32

If you know a uh if you know a biz LARPE, buy one for them. Yes, make that's how we Latinize them, guys. That's how we make them real Catholics.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:40

Um, yeah, Bobby's having a Latin uh wedding, by the way. Wait, confirmed? Not confirmed, but we'll make it happen.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:51

I yeah, he's getting it's gonna be a Latin wedding. So uh all right, guys, we're gonna head over to locals. If you're not a subscriber to locals, I forgot to put the link in the chat last time, Rob. Uh, if you can, just throw the link. Link up. Uh, and we will see you on the other side, kids.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:10

Uh, do we have a good one?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:13

You play the guns and rosaries outro because I did it last time. I heard that. That was I played the guns and rosaries outro at the end of the last locals episode. I couldn't hit end fast enough. Like I like I ended the show, and that that song comes on, and I'm like, Guns and Rosaries, are you kidding me? And I just kept trying to end it. Adrian got a kick out of it. He thought it was.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:35

Oh, I bet he did.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:36

Yeah, he loved it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:37

Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:38

You guys, if you're not local subscribers, you're missing out, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:50

Well, since we watched that uh gay blessings, here we go.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:54

I snap my fingers. You forget that you're ever gay.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:59

I was never gay. Exactly. Wait, no, stop. No, stop. You can't. I was never gay. Okay. No, I was never gay. Sure. You can't just state something and snap your fingers and then be like, I was never gay.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:13

You say so.