{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":0.1,"endTime":3.16,"body":"[upbeat music] Hey, friends, welcome to a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3.16,"endTime":6.719,"body":"special episode of the Think Biblically podcast. Normally, we"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":6.719,"endTime":9.859,"body":"have our weekly cultural update coming out on Thursday, but"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":9.859,"endTime":12.859,"body":"Scott and I were both out of town this week and decided to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":12.859,"endTime":17.339,"body":"play a full Q\u0026A for you. Each week, we usually have three"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":17.339,"endTime":19.82,"body":"questions at the end of a session, and there's way more"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":19.82,"endTime":22.8,"body":"questions than we can take. So we'd love to know what you think"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":22.8,"endTime":25.879,"body":"about this. Would you like us to do this more regularly, whether"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":25.879,"endTime":29.679,"body":"on a Tuesday or on a Friday at times, where we just take your"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":29.679,"endTime":33.06,"body":"questions? Which questions were most helpful? Let us know what"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":33.06,"endTime":37.479,"body":"you think. In the meantime, enjoy this Q\u0026A in lieu of the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":37.479,"endTime":41.2,"body":"weekly cultural update. We've got some good questions here-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":41.2,"endTime":41.229,"body":"I should say we do"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":41.229,"endTime":43.42,"body":"... About a range of topics that I think are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":43.42,"endTime":47.539,"body":"gonna fascinate our audience. But, I am your host, Sean"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":47.539,"endTime":48.079,"body":"McDowell."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":48.079,"endTime":49.42,"body":"I'm your co-host, Scott Rae."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":49.42,"endTime":51.679,"body":"And this is the Think Biblically podcast,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":51.679,"endTime":55.06,"body":"brought to you by Talbot School of Theology, Biola University."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":55.06,"endTime":57.82,"body":"All right, we're gonna jump straight into the deep end,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":57.82,"endTime":61.34,"body":"Scott. Here's the question that we have. Question number one-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":61.34,"endTime":63.6,"body":"How should we think about situations, for example, where a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":63.6,"endTime":66.299,"body":"flood or fire destroys one person's house, but their"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":66.299,"endTime":69.29,"body":"neighbor's house remains intact? Or more seriously, one person"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":69.29,"endTime":73.299,"body":"dies in a disaster, but the neighbor survives. Can we claim"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":73.299,"endTime":77.379,"body":"that God was with the survivor? This seems difficult to me,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":77.379,"endTime":80.299,"body":"since it assumes that God was not with the victim."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":80.299,"endTime":81.739,"body":"Well, a couple things. I appreciate the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":81.739,"endTime":83.28,"body":"question, and it's, I think"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":83.939,"endTime":87.239,"body":"pretty clearly this comes out of the Los Angeles fires that have"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":87.239,"endTime":87.53,"body":"happened-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":87.53,"endTime":87.95,"body":"I think that's right"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":87.95,"endTime":88.64,"body":"... In the last month."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":90.4,"endTime":92.92,"body":"Well, so here's what I would say to that. Part, part of the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":92.92,"endTime":93.319,"body":"reason"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":93.879,"endTime":96.859,"body":"that fire destroyed one person's house and not another,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":97.629,"endTime":100.239,"body":"right adjacent to each other, may have to do with the degree"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":100.239,"endTime":104.5,"body":"of fireproofing that the person- ... Used in their home. That's,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":104.5,"endTime":105.4,"body":"that's a possibility."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":105.4,"endTime":105.84,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":105.84,"endTime":108.879,"body":"And we know that- we know that some areas, did"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":108.879,"endTime":113.379,"body":"survive because of some of those measures that were taken. Now,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":113.379,"endTime":115.959,"body":"that's, that's a small fraction"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":116.599,"endTime":119.54,"body":"of the homes that survived. Other- seems like it's just"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":119.54,"endTime":120.48,"body":"purely by chance."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":121.819,"endTime":124.04,"body":"And I... What I would say to that is that I think we can"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":124.04,"endTime":127.0,"body":"claim that God was with the survivor, but I think we can"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":127.0,"endTime":128.758,"body":"claim that God was with the victim, too."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":128.758,"endTime":129.36,"body":"Amen."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":129.36,"endTime":132.34,"body":"And how... And, and He walks with them"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":132.34,"endTime":136.08,"body":"differently through those two different scenarios. How in the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":136.08,"endTime":139.819,"body":"providence of God, one house burns down, and the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":139.819,"endTime":143.819,"body":"next-door neighbor survives, I don't think we have an answer"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":143.819,"endTime":145.219,"body":"to that this side of eternity."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":145.74,"endTime":149.08,"body":"The- and Sean, as we've talked about before, all of us"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":149.08,"endTime":152.979,"body":"have a handful of, at least a handful of why questions"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":153.819,"endTime":157.86,"body":"that will puzzle us until the day we meet the Lord- ... About"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":157.86,"endTime":159.419,"body":"how things in our lives fit together."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":160.12,"endTime":163.139,"body":"And I think Ecclesiastes, you know, is right when"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":163.139,"endTime":163.9,"body":"Solomon says"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":164.52,"endTime":168.379,"body":"that basically, under the sun, there are certain things that we"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":168.379,"endTime":171.759,"body":"just can't know. That's a rough- ... Paraphrase. And under"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":171.759,"endTime":175.96,"body":"the sun, meaning this side of eternity. So I think, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":175.96,"endTime":178.199,"body":"we will, we will, f- this will... I think the answer will"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":178.199,"endTime":181.56,"body":"be clear on this once we meet the Lord face to face. But I"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":181.56,"endTime":184.52,"body":"think as our friend Eric Thomas has pointed out, we need"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":184.52,"endTime":185.84,"body":"to, we need to trust"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":186.379,"endTime":189.71,"body":"not only in the things that the Bible tells us, but to have"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":189.71,"endTime":190.12,"body":"trust"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":190.879,"endTime":193.659,"body":"in those things that the Bible doesn't tell us either."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":194.43,"endTime":196.539,"body":"And I think this is one of those things."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":196.539,"endTime":198.699,"body":"That's a great answer, and given that we don't"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":198.699,"endTime":201.68,"body":"know, and I should remind, you know, our listeners, that we"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":201.68,"endTime":205.939,"body":"shouldn't necessarily expect to know. This is what it means to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":205.939,"endTime":210.139,"body":"be human and God to be sovereign and know how even the smallest"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":210.139,"endTime":210.68,"body":"event"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":211.259,"endTime":214.86,"body":"affects something else. It's only in Heaven when we look back"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":214.86,"endTime":218.18,"body":"that we might see some of those connections and reasons we can't"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":218.18,"endTime":221.9,"body":"at the present. So that also means we need to not assume,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":221.9,"endTime":225.199,"body":"\"Well, this neighbor was spiritual, this neighbor was"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":225.199,"endTime":228.78,"body":"not,\" and start reading more into it than we know."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":229.34,"endTime":232.36,"body":"Is it possible God let somebody get affected by the fire because"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":232.36,"endTime":235.8,"body":"of their sin? Well, maybe that's possible. It's also possible"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":235.8,"endTime":240.159,"body":"that God wanted a Christian to allow to experience this, to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":240.159,"endTime":243.56,"body":"shine the light through the believer. Like, now we're just"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":243.56,"endTime":247.539,"body":"guessing in ways we don't know, and the Bible just talks about"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":247.539,"endTime":251.439,"body":"how, you know, it rains on the righteous, and it rains on the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":251.439,"endTime":252.4,"body":"wicked."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":252.4,"endTime":253.819,"body":"Yeah, I would, I would think those kinds of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":253.819,"endTime":257.319,"body":"speculations, I think, run the risk of being presumptuous."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":257.319,"endTime":258.0,"body":"That's right."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":258.0,"endTime":259.759,"body":"I think they also run the risk of being"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":259.759,"endTime":260.49,"body":"blasphemous-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":261.18,"endTime":264.019,"body":"... Which was attributing to God something that doesn't belong to"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":264.019,"endTime":264.339,"body":"Him."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":264.86,"endTime":269.879,"body":"So a reason or rationale for something that we presume, to,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":269.879,"endTime":274.079,"body":"to attribute to God, I'd just, I'd just be careful about, as my"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":274.079,"endTime":276.579,"body":"mentor put it, \"Be careful trying to unscrew the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":276.579,"endTime":277.529,"body":"inscrutable.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":278.62,"endTime":280.5,"body":"I think we underestimate how much our own"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":280.5,"endTime":284.339,"body":"biases shape the way we interpret the data [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":284.339,"endTime":287.92,"body":"and our own sinfulness, things we want to be true, and so"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":287.92,"endTime":291.019,"body":"you're right, to hold back and not presume to know,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":291.62,"endTime":293.899,"body":"and to trust God through it is the key. And, of course, I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":293.899,"endTime":298.319,"body":"think, you know, Jesus talks about that in Luke 13. Trusting"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":298.319,"endTime":302.8,"body":"God and repenting, even when we see natural and moral evil,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":303.339,"endTime":306.579,"body":"is one way Christians can respond. All right, good stuff."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":306.579,"endTime":309.639,"body":"Let's go to the second question. This one is a little bit more"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":309.639,"endTime":312.199,"body":"practical, and I gotta tell you, I did not see this question"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":312.199,"endTime":312.879,"body":"coming, Scott."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":312.879,"endTime":312.959,"body":"Me neither."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":312.959,"endTime":315.399,"body":"But here we go. This person says- \"We are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":315.399,"endTime":318.019,"body":"leaders of a small group of young adults at our church."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":318.019,"endTime":320.22,"body":"There's one young woman in our group who's strong in her faith"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":320.22,"endTime":323.379,"body":"and active in our community. She's also political. She's now"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":323.379,"endTime":327.18,"body":"dating a man convicted in the January 6th Capitol riot. He was"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":327.18,"endTime":329.62,"body":"sentenced to time in prison for multiple charges, including"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":329.62,"endTime":333.459,"body":"assaulting an officer. He recently, fully pardoned by"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":333.459,"endTime":336.48,"body":"Trump and is planning to move to our city, continue dating the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":336.48,"endTime":339.519,"body":"young woman, join our small group. He's passionate about"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":339.519,"endTime":342.439,"body":"partisan politics, and we are concerned he may bring unwanted"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":342.439,"endTime":345.839,"body":"attention to politics, while we want to remain welcoming to the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":345.839,"endTime":349.1,"body":"range of political views. Do you have any advice on integrating"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":349.1,"endTime":351.399,"body":"this man into our small"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":352.22,"endTime":353.54,"body":"group?\""},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":353.54,"endTime":357.62,"body":"Yes. I think we're obligated to be welcoming, even"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":357.62,"endTime":361.37,"body":"to people who we might disagree with, but I think the-... The"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":361.37,"endTime":362.61,"body":"boundary that we set up"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":363.132,"endTime":367.25,"body":"is that we j- we don't want our small group to be,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":367.81,"endTime":369.93,"body":"have people in it who are divisive."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":370.572,"endTime":373.591,"body":"That's, I think, the bottom line. When it becomes divisive,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":373.591,"endTime":377.012,"body":"when somebody's pursuing an agenda that's dividing our group"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":377.012,"endTime":380.75,"body":"and undermining the, some of the things that we s- that,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":380.75,"endTime":383.512,"body":"you know, that we're about as a small group, which is about"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":383.512,"endTime":386.732,"body":"discipleship and spiritual formation, and, you know, the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":386.732,"endTime":390.732,"body":"people's life with God. Politics is certainly a part of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":390.732,"endTime":395.232,"body":"that, but it's not the main part. And so I think it's, it's,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":395.232,"endTime":398.391,"body":"it's okay to have that come up periodically for conversation"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":398.391,"endTime":401.49,"body":"about how to wrestle through some of these issues. But"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":401.49,"endTime":404.93,"body":"somebody who's sort of intent on being divisive, I think"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":404.93,"endTime":407.11,"body":"that's... It's appropriate also for the group to say, \"That's"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":407.11,"endTime":410.451,"body":"not who, that's not who we are, not what we're about.\" And so"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":411.232,"endTime":414.25,"body":"if that happens, then I think it'd be, it'd be okay to"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":414.25,"endTime":418.072,"body":"say, you know, after some conversation, to say, \"You know,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":418.072,"endTime":420.771,"body":"maybe it'd be better if you took your, you know, political views"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":420.771,"endTime":421.87,"body":"somewhere else.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":421.87,"endTime":424.49,"body":"Great answer. I agree 100% with you on this one,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":424.49,"endTime":427.61,"body":"Scott. One thing that might be helpful is a friend of mine who"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":427.61,"endTime":429.812,"body":"we haven't had here on the podcast, but I've had him on"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":429.812,"endTime":433.411,"body":"YouTube a couple times. Preston Oemler's written a book called"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":433.411,"endTime":435.232,"body":"The Doubters Club,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":435.87,"endTime":438.17,"body":"and a little different than a Bible study. These are clubs"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":438.17,"endTime":441.411,"body":"that are set up between believers and non-believers, and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":441.411,"endTime":445.211,"body":"it's to facilitate understanding and conversation and dialogue on"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":445.211,"endTime":449.291,"body":"important issues. The reason I bring it up is they lay out very"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":449.291,"endTime":453.75,"body":"clear guidelines of what these clubs are about, what's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":453.75,"endTime":456.93,"body":"accepted, what's not, and everybody agrees to it. In fact,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":456.93,"endTime":459.93,"body":"I think they print them out and put them on the wall. Now, your"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":459.93,"endTime":462.812,"body":"guidelines might be different, but you could pull up The"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":462.812,"endTime":464.13,"body":"Doubters Club guidelines-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":464.13,"endTime":464.201,"body":"That's a great idea"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":464.201,"endTime":466.331,"body":"... Search it, and find it. Look in the book."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":466.331,"endTime":469.091,"body":"This is an opportunity as a small group just to say, \"What"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":469.091,"endTime":472.25,"body":"are we about?\" 'Cause this is probably not the last time"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":472.25,"endTime":474.05,"body":"somebody's just gonna come in. Maybe they wanna make it"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":474.05,"endTime":476.411,"body":"political, maybe they have some other pet project they wanna"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":476.411,"endTime":480.05,"body":"talk about. But if you say, \"You know what? Here is what this"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":480.05,"endTime":483.692,"body":"group is about. I can talk with you over coffee separately. We"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":483.692,"endTime":487.512,"body":"could have a separate meeting, but this is our identity,\" then"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":487.512,"endTime":490.711,"body":"it's not just picking on this person, it's keeping the main"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":490.711,"endTime":495.37,"body":"thing, the main thing. So set those guidelines now, and then"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":495.37,"endTime":497.11,"body":"you can deal with this and other challenges that come."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":497.11,"endTime":499.61,"body":"That's a great answer and a great resource."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":499.61,"endTime":502.771,"body":"Question number three, \"The le- the letter of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":502.771,"endTime":505.99,"body":"First John starts off with what seems to be encouraging"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":505.99,"endTime":507.25,"body":"eyewitness statements,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":507.851,"endTime":510.471,"body":"but when we get to verse five, we have two different"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":510.471,"endTime":514.89,"body":"translations that confuse the situation. The King James"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":514.89,"endTime":519.51,"body":"Version reads, 'And this is the message we have heard of him,'"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":519.51,"endTime":523.87,"body":"as if John heard this from someone else. The New American"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":523.87,"endTime":526.261,"body":"Standard reads, 'And this is the message we have heard"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":526.871,"endTime":531.731,"body":"from him,' as if John heard this firsthand from Jesus. So the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":531.731,"endTime":536.052,"body":"difference between of and from seems to change the meaning in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":536.052,"endTime":538.951,"body":"this passage. The question is, which one is the right"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":538.951,"endTime":541.652,"body":"translation from the original Greek, and what is the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":541.652,"endTime":544.871,"body":"significance for the eyewitness testimony mentioned in verse"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":544.871,"endTime":547.201,"body":"one?\" Now, I appreciate that this person thinks"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":547.731,"endTime":551.631,"body":"you and I could parse and know the details of the Greek. We"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":551.631,"endTime":555.351,"body":"both studied it in our programs. I would have to say this is not"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":555.351,"endTime":556.53,"body":"my expertise."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":556.53,"endTime":558.53,"body":"I don't have the answer to this off the top of my"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":558.53,"endTime":558.581,"body":"head."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":558.581,"endTime":560.371,"body":"Off the top of your head. But I looked into a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":560.371,"endTime":563.331,"body":"few things, and here's what's interesting. The one translation"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":563.331,"endTime":566.53,"body":"the individual cites is the King James Version. Beautiful"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":566.53,"endTime":568.932,"body":"translation, can still understand the gospel through"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":568.932,"endTime":573.491,"body":"it, but hundreds of years older. We've got new manuscripts since"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":573.491,"endTime":577.371,"body":"then, and the English language has changed. I wanted to see if"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":577.371,"endTime":583.491,"body":"this is translated of or from, so I went to the NIV, ESV, NASB,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":583.491,"endTime":589.03,"body":"New King James Version, CSB, RSV Catholic Edition, NET, and the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":589.03,"endTime":592.451,"body":"Lexham Bible, and they all have from."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":593.111,"endTime":597.511,"body":"So given the care and expertise that these scholars make, quite"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":597.511,"endTime":601.951,"body":"literally line by line, I'm pretty confident"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":602.511,"endTime":606.351,"body":"that it is from. Now, the other thing to do, sometimes"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":606.351,"endTime":610.011,"body":"deciphering what something s- means is not just going to the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":610.011,"endTime":610.371,"body":"Greek;"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":611.011,"endTime":613.932,"body":"it's looking in the context. I don't think you have to know"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":613.932,"endTime":617.351,"body":"Greek to be able to figure this out. So this is a question about"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":617.351,"endTime":622.251,"body":"1 John 1-5. Look at 1 John 1-1-4,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":622.931,"endTime":626.412,"body":"and it says three times something that I think answers"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":626.412,"endTime":629.072,"body":"our question here. It says, \"That which was from the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":629.072,"endTime":631.291,"body":"beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":631.291,"endTime":635.831,"body":"eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands,\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":635.831,"endTime":638.231,"body":"that's the first time, \"concerning the Word of life."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":638.231,"endTime":643.291,"body":"The life was made manifest, and we have seen it and testify to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":643.291,"endTime":643.491,"body":"it"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":644.131,"endTime":646.871,"body":"and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":646.871,"endTime":650.912,"body":"and was made manifest to us. That which we have seen and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":650.912,"endTime":653.731,"body":"heard, we proclaim also to you,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":654.351,"endTime":656.751,"body":"so you may have fellowship with us; and indeed, our fellowship"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":656.751,"endTime":659.831,"body":"is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ. And we are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":659.831,"endTime":663.432,"body":"writing these things so your joy may be complete.\" Three times in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":663.432,"endTime":667.051,"body":"the verses before, it makes clearly that the people who are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":667.051,"endTime":672.051,"body":"reporting this saw and heard and touched. So I think the best"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":672.051,"endTime":675.011,"body":"when we get to verse five is not to all of a sudden shift and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":675.011,"endTime":678.111,"body":"say, \"Now we're talking about somebody else's message.\" The"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":678.111,"endTime":683.751,"body":"context itself makes it very clear that it is from them, not"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":683.751,"endTime":687.03,"body":"of, so to speak, or from Jesus, not of Jesus."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":687.03,"endTime":691.172,"body":"And I suspect that it's that, those very texts that"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":691.172,"endTime":693.581,"body":"you cited were what all those translators"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":694.251,"endTime":697.831,"body":"of the various versions you cited took to heart when"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":697.831,"endTime":699.461,"body":"they translated that from."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":699.461,"endTime":700.291,"body":"Exactly."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":700.291,"endTime":702.231,"body":"I think our listeners should know that, you"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":702.231,"endTime":702.371,"body":"know,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":703.152,"endTime":707.432,"body":"translation is not just strictly... You know, you're not"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":707.432,"endTime":711.152,"body":"plugging in a, you know, Google Translate. You know, translation"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":711.152,"endTime":714.471,"body":"has an element of interpretation to it, because the same, that"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":714.471,"endTime":717.951,"body":"same Greek word can mean both of those things. It's just which"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":717.951,"endTime":722.648,"body":"one is more likely to be rendered as given-... You know,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":722.648,"endTime":726.048,"body":"the, all the other things at play in the context,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":726.048,"endTime":726.668,"body":"so."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":726.668,"endTime":727.488,"body":"Well said."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":727.488,"endTime":728.677,"body":"Anyway, carry on."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":728.677,"endTime":730.028,"body":"Now, y- no, that's great. One other point"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":730.028,"endTime":732.447,"body":"is, by the way, if it came to verse five and all of a sudden"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":732.447,"endTime":737.567,"body":"shifted from \"from\" to \"of,\" it wouldn't ultimately matter. It"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":737.567,"endTime":740.467,"body":"would make the point even stronger because they're passing"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":740.467,"endTime":742.567,"body":"on what they saw personally,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":743.207,"endTime":745.947,"body":"and then talked with others and proclaim"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":746.528,"endTime":752.067,"body":"also what they said. So we have gospels like John that claims to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":752.067,"endTime":756.528,"body":"be eyewitness testimony. Then we have gospels like Luke that says"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":756.528,"endTime":759.988,"body":"he's not eyewitness testimony, but he's talked to eyewitness"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":759.988,"endTime":760.748,"body":"testimonies."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":760.748,"endTime":761.187,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":761.187,"endTime":763.347,"body":"So I think this translation is \"from,\" but even"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":763.347,"endTime":766.248,"body":"if it said \"of,\" I don't think it would be as problematic as is"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":766.248,"endTime":766.868,"body":"implied here."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":766.868,"endTime":768.707,"body":"Yeah, I think you're right to say the point's already"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":768.707,"endTime":769.587,"body":"been made."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":769.587,"endTime":770.528,"body":"I think so."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":770.528,"endTime":772.408,"body":"And, and this just... I think the verse"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":772.408,"endTime":775.528,"body":"five that he's describing here just reinforces that."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":775.528,"endTime":776.648,"body":"Let's keep going. We got another good"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":776.648,"endTime":780.727,"body":"challenge, and this one is for me. It says, \"On the February"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":780.727,"endTime":783.738,"body":"7th weekly cultural update, Sean commented that he thought"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":783.738,"endTime":785.868,"body":"perhaps there was animal violence before the fall 'cause"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":785.868,"endTime":790.447,"body":"of how animals have built-in features designed to kill. In"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":790.447,"endTime":793.488,"body":"Isaiah 11-6-9, we read the prophetic words,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":794.008,"endTime":796.988,"body":"'The wolf will dwell with the lamb, and the leopard will lie"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":796.988,"endTime":799.668,"body":"down with the young goat, and the calf and the young lion and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":799.668,"endTime":802.807,"body":"the fatling together, and the little boy will lead them. Also,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":802.807,"endTime":805.587,"body":"the cow and the bear will graze together,' et cetera. If the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":805.587,"endTime":809.028,"body":"eschaton is undoing the effects of the fall, wouldn't these"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":809.028,"endTime":810.187,"body":"above conditions"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":811.427,"endTime":814.278,"body":"be the conditions before the fall?\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":814.847,"endTime":818.447,"body":"Now, I'm gonna cite somewhat extensively from a book from a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":818.447,"endTime":821.548,"body":"friend of ours named Paul Copan, wonderful philosopher. He's been"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":821.548,"endTime":825.727,"body":"on this program. It's called How Do You Know You're Not Wrong?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":825.727,"endTime":828.488,"body":"And he points out a few things before I get to kind of the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":828.488,"endTime":834.567,"body":"passage at hand. He says, \"For example, we have in Psalm 104, a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":834.567,"endTime":838.788,"body":"creation psalm, where we read that the lions roar for their"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":838.788,"endTime":842.418,"body":"prey and seek their food from God.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":843.148,"endTime":845.248,"body":"Interesting. Job 41"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":845.927,"endTime":850.148,"body":"speaks of God creating the fierce leviathan, probably a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":850.148,"endTime":854.148,"body":"crocodile, with fearsome teeth. Now, why was he made with"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":854.148,"endTime":857.967,"body":"fearsome teeth? Presumably to kill [chuckles] and eat, and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":857.967,"endTime":863.408,"body":"there's not even a hint of being a post-fall situation. So I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":863.408,"endTime":867.248,"body":"would argue that I think the fall introduced human death,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":867.248,"endTime":871.128,"body":"not animal death. Now, this is widely debated. I totally get"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":871.128,"endTime":874.427,"body":"that, but here's just something else Paul points out I wanna"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":874.427,"endTime":877.168,"body":"throw out there for our listeners. He said, \"It's not"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":877.168,"endTime":879.427,"body":"uncommon to hear that both humans and animals were"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":879.427,"endTime":882.947,"body":"originally vegetarians. There are some important points that"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":882.947,"endTime":886.087,"body":"would suggest another scenario. So Genesis"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":886.628,"endTime":890.288,"body":"9-3 affirms that every moving thing that is alive shall be"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":890.288,"endTime":895.067,"body":"food for you. Gordon Wenham points out that this ratifies or"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":895.067,"endTime":899.168,"body":"confirms the legitimacy of meat-eating. After"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":899.168,"endTime":903.187,"body":"all, God repeats the command to Noah to be fruitful and to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":903.187,"endTime":907.128,"body":"multiply.\" So he's ratifying it and drawing out what was there"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":907.128,"endTime":910.988,"body":"for the sake of focus. He says, \"Genesis isn't interested in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":910.988,"endTime":913.768,"body":"whether people were originally vegetarian or not, but that God"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":913.768,"endTime":918.368,"body":"is the one who supplied them with food.\" That's his argument."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":918.368,"endTime":921.467,"body":"Then he goes, he goes a little further. He says, \"God tells us"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":921.467,"endTime":924.727,"body":"in Genesis 1 that human beings are to rule over the fish of the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":924.727,"endTime":928.418,"body":"sea. What could this mean apart from permission to eat them?\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":929.187,"endTime":931.888,"body":"Now, that doesn't answer, but that's an interesting question"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":931.888,"endTime":932.548,"body":"he's asking."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":933.128,"endTime":937.567,"body":"Abel kept sheep, presumably to eat. Noah distinguishes between"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":937.567,"endTime":942.408,"body":"clean and unclean animals, which clearly assumes the edibility of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":942.408,"endTime":942.687,"body":"meat"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":943.427,"endTime":949.048,"body":"prior to the flood, arguably again. Jesus would've eaten lamb"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":949.048,"endTime":952.888,"body":"at the Passover, since he was a good, Galilean. We certainly"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":952.888,"endTime":957.067,"body":"know that he ate fish. He points out a couple other things. You"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":957.067,"endTime":962.768,"body":"know, Jesus miraculously fed fish to 5,000 people. Luke 15,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":962.768,"endTime":965.748,"body":"you have a celebration at the return of the prodigal son,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":965.748,"endTime":970.628,"body":"included killing of the fattened calf. So he's just... He's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":970.628,"endTime":972.548,"body":"making this argument that there's certain things that are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":972.548,"endTime":976.408,"body":"okay. We've eaten meat, celebrated. Jesus did this. It's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":976.408,"endTime":978.857,"body":"hard to think that it's kind of a result of the fall, that"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":978.857,"endTime":980.248,"body":"things changed, et cetera."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":981.008,"endTime":983.388,"body":"Then he gets down to this passage in Isaiah 11, more"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":983.388,"endTime":986.908,"body":"specific to the question, where it said, \"There will be no more"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":986.908,"endTime":989.628,"body":"fear of predatory animals. Rather, the wolf will dwell with"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":989.628,"endTime":993.107,"body":"the lamb, the cow, the bear will feed together, et cetera. Wild"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":993.107,"endTime":997.128,"body":"animals will be domesticated.\" He says, \"One caution is in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":997.128,"endTime":1001.288,"body":"order. We have to be careful about over-literalizing these"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1001.288,"endTime":1006.067,"body":"texts that refer to the new heavens and new earth.\" So if"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1006.067,"endTime":1010.687,"body":"you go to Isaiah 65-20, it says that the youth will die at the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1010.687,"endTime":1015.567,"body":"age of 100. Surely, this is a picture of living long, since"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1015.567,"endTime":1016.268,"body":"there's,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1017.087,"endTime":1019.528,"body":"rather than literally dying in the new heavens and the new"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1019.528,"endTime":1023.347,"body":"earth, it's metaphorical. So that's probably more than this"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1023.347,"endTime":1026.528,"body":"person was- [chuckles] ... Asking for, and I realize"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1026.528,"endTime":1029.847,"body":"there'll be challenges back, but I don't think it's as simple as"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1029.847,"endTime":1034.847,"body":"just citing Isaiah 11, given the genre of Isaiah and other hints"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1034.847,"endTime":1039.468,"body":"in Genesis itself, to say that that overturns my point."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1039.468,"endTime":1042.728,"body":"Fair enough. I hadn't given this a lot of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1042.728,"endTime":1043.127,"body":"thought."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1043.127,"endTime":1044.208,"body":"[chuckles] Okay. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1044.208,"endTime":1044.347,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1044.968,"endTime":1048.278,"body":"I mean, I'm, you know, I'm inclined to see,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1050.347,"endTime":1052.748,"body":"you know, what takes place at the Lord's return"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1053.448,"endTime":1056.208,"body":"is a restoration of creation values."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1057.867,"endTime":1060.827,"body":"And it's a, it's a renew- it's, it's creation redeemed-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1060.827,"endTime":1061.067,"body":"Sure"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1061.067,"endTime":1061.837,"body":"... Sort of once and for all."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1061.837,"endTime":1062.847,"body":"I agree with that."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1063.948,"endTime":1067.268,"body":"Now, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not so sure that just"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1067.268,"endTime":1070.968,"body":"because... I don't, I don't think the, I don't think you'll"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1070.968,"endTime":1074.248,"body":"have the same relationship between predator and prey"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1075.147,"endTime":1076.807,"body":"when the kingdom comes in its fullness"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1077.587,"endTime":1081.647,"body":"as you have during most of human history."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1083.407,"endTime":1086.268,"body":"I'm not, I'm not sure, I'm not sure what necessarily follows"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1086.268,"endTime":1088.028,"body":"from that about-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1088.028,"endTime":1088.038,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1088.038,"endTime":1092.836,"body":"... Prior to the fall.... So I'm not, what I'm"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1092.836,"endTime":1096.076,"body":"more con- what I'm more interested in is what the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1096.076,"endTime":1099.455,"body":"eternal states and the return of Christ is gonna be"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1099.455,"endTime":1103.536,"body":"like. And I think it will... I think you can make a good"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1103.536,"endTime":1103.996,"body":"argument"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1104.576,"endTime":1108.375,"body":"that basic relationship between predator"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1108.375,"endTime":1111.256,"body":"and prey, I don't- I don't know what else to make of the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1111.256,"endTime":1112.875,"body":"wolf will dwell with the lamb"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1114.096,"endTime":1118.375,"body":"peacefully instead of in a predatory relationship."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1119.115,"endTime":1119.256,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1120.435,"endTime":1122.955,"body":"w- but again, what that has to do with"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1123.855,"endTime":1124.536,"body":"creation"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1125.195,"endTime":1126.155,"body":"before the Fall-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1126.756,"endTime":1129.576,"body":"... I'm not so sure that you can equate those two like our"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1129.576,"endTime":1131.115,"body":"listener is assuming-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1131.115,"endTime":1131.476,"body":"Okay"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1131.476,"endTime":1132.655,"body":"... That you can do. So-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1132.655,"endTime":1133.384,"body":"Fair enough. That's a helpful-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1133.384,"endTime":1136.915,"body":"But that's, you know, yeah, I'm open to, I'm"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1136.915,"endTime":1139.256,"body":"open to pushback on that."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1139.256,"endTime":1140.895,"body":"And this is probably a terrible argument"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1140.895,"endTime":1145.776,"body":"that I would add, but, man, why would God make meat taste so"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1145.776,"endTime":1150.016,"body":"good [chuckles] from the beginning if he didn't intend..."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1150.016,"endTime":1152.836,"body":"Now, I realize there's problems with that argument, and I'll"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1152.836,"endTime":1155.496,"body":"probably reject it, but it's, you know, get some pushback on"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1155.496,"endTime":1158.415,"body":"it. But when it's all said and done, seems to me that it's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1158.415,"endTime":1160.826,"body":"built into the creation account. But"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1161.336,"endTime":1164.175,"body":"nonetheless, hopefully this gives our listener... And by the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1164.175,"endTime":1166.695,"body":"way, really appreciate the question. Very thoughtful."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1166.695,"endTime":1167.115,"body":"Great question."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1167.115,"endTime":1168.596,"body":"Excellent pushback. He may not be"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1168.596,"endTime":1170.796,"body":"satisfied, but hopefully that gives him something to think"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1170.796,"endTime":1171.115,"body":"about"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1171.655,"endTime":1172.736,"body":"maybe he had not before."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1173.776,"endTime":1177.076,"body":"Good stuff. All right, let's keep going. Question number"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1177.076,"endTime":1180.276,"body":"five. Individual says, \"I'm expecting my first child in a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1180.276,"endTime":1182.885,"body":"few months. My husband and I are honored to welcome this baby boy"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1182.885,"endTime":1186.135,"body":"in the world.\" Gives some of their backstory and just says,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1186.135,"endTime":1188.455,"body":"\"I would appreciate any recommendation on how to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1188.455,"endTime":1191.796,"body":"disciple our children in a way that might set them up to choose"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1191.796,"endTime":1195.875,"body":"Jesus on their own as they approach adulthood.\" Now, Scott,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1195.875,"endTime":1199.175,"body":"I would say in my research on-- I've written a whole book on"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1199.175,"endTime":1199.395,"body":"this"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1199.976,"endTime":1202.736,"body":"called So the Next Generation Will Know, with our friend Jay"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1202.736,"endTime":1205.695,"body":"Warner Wallace. And so I've researched this and looked into"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1205.695,"endTime":1209.336,"body":"it, data a lot, and I think the data would say basically three"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1209.336,"endTime":1213.766,"body":"things. Number one, if you wanna disciple your kid, live a life"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1213.766,"endTime":1219.036,"body":"that is attractive in terms of being a follower of Jesus. If we"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1219.036,"endTime":1220.845,"body":"don't have a life of authenticity-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1220.845,"endTime":1220.875,"body":"Right"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1220.875,"endTime":1222.355,"body":"... Not perfection, doesn't matter what"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1222.355,"endTime":1227.655,"body":"we say. So that's number one. Number two, spend time with your"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1227.655,"endTime":1231.885,"body":"kids and build relationships with them. Build relationships-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1231.885,"endTime":1231.885,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1231.885,"endTime":1232.395,"body":"... With your kids."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1232.395,"endTime":1233.576,"body":"Be, be there."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1233.576,"endTime":1236.415,"body":"Be there. Yeah, and just be involved in their"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1236.415,"endTime":1240.576,"body":"life. And then number three, look for intentional ways to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1240.576,"endTime":1246.266,"body":"have spiritual conversations to form the worldview of your kids."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1246.266,"endTime":1249.256,"body":"And of course, that's Deuteronomy, the Shema, talk of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1249.256,"endTime":1251.476,"body":"these things when you wake up, when you lie down, when you walk"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1251.476,"endTime":1254.615,"body":"on the road, et cetera. Now, of course, I would add to that,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1254.615,"endTime":1258.115,"body":"going to church and being involved in a good, healthy,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1258.115,"endTime":1261.695,"body":"local church, if you can, is absolutely vital. 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I think"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1284.076,"endTime":1286.236,"body":"there are a couple other things to consider."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1287.715,"endTime":1292.875,"body":"And that is, at some point, when they hit adolescence,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1292.875,"endTime":1297.056,"body":"don't, don't be surprised if they say, \"I'm done hearing"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1297.056,"endTime":1301.576,"body":"from Mom and Dad- ... On this.\" So I would be prepared, if"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1301.576,"endTime":1306.435,"body":"that day comes, to be able to entrust them to other people-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1306.435,"endTime":1309.415,"body":"... Small group leaders- ... Who you, who you"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1309.415,"endTime":1309.855,"body":"know"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1310.375,"endTime":1316.455,"body":"and trust, that can continue the work that you've begun. 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My folks, when we, when my siblings"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1385.476,"endTime":1388.135,"body":"and I came to faith, they were-- they could not figure out what"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1388.135,"endTime":1390.415,"body":"on earth we'd gotten ourselves into."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1390.415,"endTime":1390.665,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1391.236,"endTime":1392.006,"body":"And, and,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1392.786,"endTime":1395.236,"body":"that was the way we established our own sort of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1395.236,"endTime":1399.296,"body":"separate identity from them. And when we... 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When they start to push back, 'cause because if"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1424.296,"endTime":1427.276,"body":"you freak out, then they're gonna push back harder."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1427.276,"endTime":1428.256,"body":"That'll go even more."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1428.256,"endTime":1429.836,"body":"That will, that will not go well."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1429.836,"endTime":1430.576,"body":"Good word."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1430.576,"endTime":1431.526,"body":"Um-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1431.526,"endTime":1433.635,"body":"I like that. So don't flip out, entrust them to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1433.635,"endTime":1436.476,"body":"others. 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On that relationship before the Lord."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1463.72,"endTime":1465.45,"body":"Hope that helps some."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1465.45,"endTime":1465.64,"body":"Great point."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1465.64,"endTime":1466.88,"body":"We got three more."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1467.42,"endTime":1469.299,"body":"Number six question here"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1469.96,"endTime":1472.839,"body":"says, \"On December, on one of the cultural updates, you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1472.839,"endTime":1476.22,"body":"mentioned a child's right to an education, and then you gave an"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1476.22,"endTime":1479.619,"body":"argument for school choice. My favorite school choice across"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1479.619,"endTime":1482.019,"body":"the board, squelching public schools and doing an end run"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1482.019,"endTime":1484.259,"body":"around teachers' unions, we might eventually get to a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1484.259,"endTime":1488.18,"body":"competitive and flourishing secondary education system. But"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1488.18,"endTime":1491.339,"body":"what about the generation of students in the middle? Is it"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1491.339,"endTime":1495.42,"body":"reasonable to revamp a system at the expense of those kids?\" So"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1495.42,"endTime":1497.42,"body":"in other words, do we have a responsibility to those who"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1497.42,"endTime":1500.96,"body":"might fall between the cracks as we move towards this better day"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1500.96,"endTime":1502.64,"body":"in the future?"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1502.64,"endTime":1506.98,"body":"Well, I think to be clear, where I wanna start,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1506.98,"endTime":1510.599,"body":"Sean, is that, you know, parents are ultimately responsible for"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1510.599,"endTime":1511.599,"body":"educating their children"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1512.539,"endTime":1517.66,"body":"and preparing them for life in the real world. And, and I think"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1517.66,"endTime":1519.819,"body":"it's, it's, it's this gross injustice"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1520.64,"endTime":1523.259,"body":"when you have kids that are trapped in failing schools"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1523.259,"endTime":1524.94,"body":"simply because of their zip code."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1525.579,"endTime":1529.0,"body":"That, that I- that's, that is a... That's an inequality"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1529.0,"endTime":1531.319,"body":"that's created by an injustice that we all ought to get"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1531.319,"endTime":1532.509,"body":"exercised about."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1533.22,"endTime":1535.819,"body":"I don't think too many people disagree with that. What we"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1535.819,"endTime":1538.799,"body":"disagree about is the best means to fix it."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1538.799,"endTime":1539.059,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1539.059,"endTime":1542.779,"body":"And I think allowing a"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1542.779,"endTime":1545.4,"body":"vouch- so something like a voucher system that gives a ta-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1545.4,"endTime":1547.66,"body":"a tax credit or a tax allowance"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1548.299,"endTime":1552.4,"body":"or some sort of, some sort of system that allows parents to"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1552.4,"endTime":1554.5,"body":"opt out of failing schools"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1555.359,"endTime":1559.22,"body":"and to get into schools that better suit them, I think"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1559.22,"endTime":1561.9,"body":"is a, is an obligation that we have as a society."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1562.609,"endTime":1567.48,"body":"'Cause I think it is morally wrong- ... 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Will allocate this."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1582.44,"endTime":1583.21,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1583.88,"endTime":1586.46,"body":"And I think there probably, there no doubt"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1586.46,"endTime":1591.48,"body":"would be some adjustments that come along the way. But I do"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1591.48,"endTime":1595.16,"body":"think that if school- if failing schools close,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1595.88,"endTime":1599.2,"body":"the market is, for education, is not gonna let"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1599.92,"endTime":1603.48,"body":"a whole community of kids go on without- ... 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And the m- I think the most they charge is"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1666.039,"endTime":1667.779,"body":"about $20 a month."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1667.779,"endTime":1668.16,"body":"Oh."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1668.16,"endTime":1670.619,"body":"And the kids a- the kids actually basically live at"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1670.619,"endTime":1671.259,"body":"the school"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1672.2,"endTime":1674.359,"body":"until- ... Their parents get home from work."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1675.039,"endTime":1677.48,"body":"And it's a, it's, it's just a wonderful system that an"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1677.48,"endTime":1681.2,"body":"entrepreneur had a vision for how education- ... Could be"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1681.2,"endTime":1685.99,"body":"transformed in his particular city in Indonesia. Now, I don't,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1685.99,"endTime":1688.599,"body":"I don't... They're not invoking any government assistance or"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1688.599,"endTime":1689.279,"body":"anything like that."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1689.279,"endTime":1689.299,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1689.299,"endTime":1691.559,"body":"But I think the idea that it's tiered"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1692.2,"endTime":1696.64,"body":"based on what a person can afford, I think, I think is part"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1696.64,"endTime":1698.539,"body":"of the wave of the future, where- ... 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Keep your place at the table-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1786.5,"endTime":1786.7,"body":"Okay"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1786.7,"endTime":1791.539,"body":"... To see if you can influence the project"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1791.539,"endTime":1794.059,"body":"in ways that might be a bit more redemptive."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1794.059,"endTime":1794.539,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1794.539,"endTime":1796.759,"body":"So here's what... If I, if I were taking part in the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1796.759,"endTime":1800.319,"body":"project, here's one of the things I would suggest. I think"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1800.319,"endTime":1802.779,"body":"it's fine to... I mean, underwear, lingerie, I think is"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1802.779,"endTime":1803.619,"body":"fine."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1804.88,"endTime":1807.9,"body":"And what... 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I mean, honestly, when anybody"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2240.963,"endTime":2243.583,"body":"frames a question... I'm gonna read this. It says, \"What do you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2243.583,"endTime":2246.784,"body":"think Jesus is waiting for?\" I'm like, \"I have no idea\"-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2246.784,"endTime":2246.804,"body":"[chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2246.804,"endTime":2247.224,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2247.224,"endTime":2249.244,"body":"... Unless Jesus told me."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2249.244,"endTime":2249.503,"body":"That's right."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2249.503,"endTime":2251.893,"body":"And he clearly hasn't told me. And if I said to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2251.893,"endTime":2255.043,"body":"you, Scott, \"Jesus has told me this,\" you should rightly fire"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2255.043,"endTime":2257.173,"body":"me as [chuckles] your co-host-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2257.173,"endTime":2257.173,"body":"[laughs]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2257.173,"endTime":2258.744,"body":"... And get me out of here, 'cause we don't"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2258.744,"endTime":2262.844,"body":"know. So I get the tension. I understand it. It's a part of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2262.844,"endTime":2266.844,"body":"the story. But especially 'cause the resurrection of the dead, we"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2266.844,"endTime":2270.664,"body":"have reason to believe we can trust Jesus and his Word, and we"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2270.664,"endTime":2273.403,"body":"have to live with a sense of urgency-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2273.403,"endTime":2273.574,"body":"That"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2273.574,"endTime":2275.704,"body":"... That Jesus could come back tomorrow."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2275.704,"endTime":2275.844,"body":"That's, that's the thing."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2275.844,"endTime":2277.253,"body":"But a sense of trust-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2277.253,"endTime":2277.253,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2277.253,"endTime":2278.764,"body":"... That we're a part. It might be our"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2278.764,"endTime":2282.224,"body":"great-great-great-grandkids, and I've just been faithful in the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2282.224,"endTime":2284.123,"body":"generation and time that God placed me."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2284.123,"endTime":2285.983,"body":"Yeah, the reason I think for some of that"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2285.983,"endTime":2288.204,"body":"tension is so that we'd be prepared-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2289.684,"endTime":2292.523,"body":"... And not be caught off guard with the Lord's return."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2292.523,"endTime":2292.983,"body":"Amen."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2293.643,"endTime":2296.164,"body":"Well, well said. All right, now this is officially [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2296.164,"endTime":2299.364,"body":"question nine, our last one, and this one is,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2300.884,"endTime":2303.043,"body":"this one is a doozy. This is a thoughtful one. I wanna know"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2303.043,"endTime":2303.963,"body":"what you think about this."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2304.583,"endTime":2307.204,"body":"It says, \"Our daughter and her husband were raised in Christian"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2307.204,"endTime":2310.563,"body":"homes and graduated from Bible college. They attended church"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2310.563,"endTime":2315.083,"body":"regularly until COVID. They have five kids. I also noticed they"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2315.083,"endTime":2318.043,"body":"were more and more open to postmodern and progressive"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2318.043,"endTime":2318.603,"body":"ideas."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2319.483,"endTime":2321.264,"body":"Recently, they shared they have an open marriage,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2321.903,"endTime":2324.403,"body":"and if we come in to visit, we should expect to see other"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2324.403,"endTime":2328.244,"body":"people, their partners, in the home. They wanna talk openly and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2328.244,"endTime":2331.744,"body":"answer our questions, and we are thankful for their honesty. My"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2331.744,"endTime":2334.523,"body":"main questions are, how does this lifestyle bring them closer"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2334.523,"endTime":2337.284,"body":"to Christ? What did they tell their kids? What happens if one"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2337.284,"endTime":2339.393,"body":"of them changes their mind? What advice do you have for"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2339.393,"endTime":2342.684,"body":"addressing such things as this? My greatest concern is for their"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2342.684,"endTime":2346.483,"body":"salvation and the salvation of my grandkids.\" I've got a lot of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2346.483,"endTime":2349.023,"body":"thoughts here, Scott, but I'm really curious what thoughts you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2349.023,"endTime":2349.824,"body":"have."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2349.824,"endTime":2349.994,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2351.443,"endTime":2352.873,"body":"this is challenging."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2352.873,"endTime":2352.923,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2352.923,"endTime":2354.543,"body":"I say it's one, it's one thing to be open to"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2354.543,"endTime":2356.963,"body":"postmodern progressive ideas. It's another thing to have an"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2356.963,"endTime":2358.304,"body":"open marriage."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2358.304,"endTime":2358.563,"body":"Yeah, I agree."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2358.563,"endTime":2359.934,"body":"That's a, that's a big jump."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2361.224,"endTime":2363.603,"body":"I guess my first bit of advice is probably when you come"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2363.603,"endTime":2364.983,"body":"to visit, don't stay with them-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2366.364,"endTime":2369.043,"body":"... If you ha- if you, if you are concerned about this."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2369.043,"endTime":2369.324,"body":"Good."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2369.324,"endTime":2370.884,"body":"But I think it's a good, it's a good sign that"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2370.884,"endTime":2373.664,"body":"they're open to talk about this and open to answering their"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2373.664,"endTime":2375.463,"body":"questions. And so"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2376.184,"endTime":2379.264,"body":"I would, I would try to ask my questions"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2379.963,"endTime":2382.643,"body":"that at least at the beginning, are devoid of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2382.643,"endTime":2383.143,"body":"judgment-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2383.994,"endTime":2387.023,"body":"... Just to, just to understand. That's why I think, how does"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2387.023,"endTime":2391.304,"body":"this lifestyle bring them closer to Christ? I think, I mean, I"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2391.304,"endTime":2394.184,"body":"think the obvious questio- answer is it probably doesn't."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2394.184,"endTime":2397.403,"body":"But I don't think that's a question that's looking"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2397.403,"endTime":2399.244,"body":"for an answer. I think that's a rhetorical question."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2399.244,"endTime":2400.393,"body":"[chuckles] I think that's right."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2400.393,"endTime":2401.903,"body":"So, but I think the question, what do they tell"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2401.903,"endTime":2402.403,"body":"their kids,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2403.043,"endTime":2405.503,"body":"is a totally valid, totally fair question."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2406.344,"endTime":2406.664,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2407.744,"endTime":2411.643,"body":"I might add, what would you, what would you do if one of y-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2411.643,"endTime":2413.224,"body":"if one or more of your kids"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2413.864,"endTime":2415.603,"body":"objected?"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2417.364,"endTime":2421.324,"body":"You know, would you- ... Would you stop and go back to m-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2421.324,"endTime":2423.344,"body":"go back to serial monogamy?"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2424.943,"endTime":2427.264,"body":"And I think it's a fair question- what happens if"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2427.264,"endTime":2430.043,"body":"one of them changes their mind? I suspect"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2431.244,"endTime":2435.264,"body":"that they've thought about that. I would ad- I would go further"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2435.264,"endTime":2438.264,"body":"to say, \"What happens to our kids"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2439.003,"endTime":2441.403,"body":"if they get attached to one of them, and they change their"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2441.403,"endTime":2442.353,"body":"mind?\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2442.353,"endTime":2443.164,"body":"That's an interesting question."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2443.164,"endTime":2444.443,"body":"That's a, that's a tougher one."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2446.603,"endTime":2450.802,"body":"But I... I guess I, [exhales] I just... I'd be open to have a"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2450.802,"endTime":2451.393,"body":"conversation. The"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2451.903,"endTime":2453.224,"body":"other thing, another thing I probably would ask them"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2453.963,"endTime":2459.034,"body":"is, \"How, how does this connect with your Christian faith?\""},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2459.724,"endTime":2462.744,"body":"Just, \"How, how are you, how are you putting these together?\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2462.744,"endTime":2463.364,"body":"Great question."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2464.304,"endTime":2467.704,"body":"And then I would listen, and their answers, I'm"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2467.704,"endTime":2469.963,"body":"sure, will be very revealing."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2471.184,"endTime":2474.543,"body":"And then you... I just think you take it from there. But I would,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2474.543,"endTime":2477.364,"body":"I would sort of... I would make my points by asking"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2478.003,"endTime":2481.543,"body":"questions that, you know, that you need to listen to the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2481.543,"endTime":2484.043,"body":"answers for. You kn- you may not need to know the answer. I would"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2484.043,"endTime":2486.264,"body":"avoid the rhetorical questions, for sure."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2487.423,"endTime":2489.063,"body":"And that's, that's where I would start."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2489.063,"endTime":2491.523,"body":"Yeah, that's great. I really resonate"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2491.523,"endTime":2495.543,"body":"with the non-judgmental questioning approach. I think"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2495.543,"endTime":2498.884,"body":"that's great. A couple things come to my mind is I wanna say"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2498.884,"endTime":2501.344,"body":"to these parents, and I didn't sense this in the question, but"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2501.344,"endTime":2504.943,"body":"I wanna encourage them to not take blame for this-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2505.483,"endTime":2505.543,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2505.543,"endTime":2507.364,"body":"... And feel like they're a failure, and make"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2507.364,"endTime":2511.103,"body":"sure they give themselves some grace. Obviously, all of us as"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2511.103,"endTime":2513.784,"body":"parents look back, and there's things we wish we had done"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2513.784,"endTime":2517.423,"body":"differently, but they raised their kids in a Christian home,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2517.423,"endTime":2521.623,"body":"sacrificed to send them to a Bible college, so give yourself"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2521.623,"endTime":2528.384,"body":"some grace. Second, their story is not over. It's not over. So"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2528.384,"endTime":2531.943,"body":"you might have to take a longer-term perspective on this,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2531.943,"endTime":2535.304,"body":"and so you ask yourself, \"If I wanna be a part of this"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2535.304,"endTime":2538.423,"body":"long-term [chuckles] conversation, see them come back"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2538.423,"endTime":2541.603,"body":"to the Lord, what does it take?\" Now, there is a sense where"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2541.603,"endTime":2545.244,"body":"Jesus divides families. I get that, and there's a time to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2545.244,"endTime":2550.164,"body":"speak clearly and cut off, but I would not start there. That"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2550.164,"endTime":2554.384,"body":"would be a last resort to me. I would ask myself, \"How do I be"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2554.384,"endTime":2558.023,"body":"involved in the next 5 years and 10 years and 20 years?\" Because"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2558.023,"endTime":2560.324,"body":"here's one thing we know, Scott, you and I have done a sh- a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2560.324,"endTime":2565.789,"body":"whole program on this, is that open marriages do not last...."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2565.789,"endTime":2566.778,"body":"And they don't work."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2566.778,"endTime":2568.759,"body":"They're in- they're intrinsically unstable."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2568.759,"endTime":2570.739,"body":"They are unstable, and it's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2571.619,"endTime":2576.519,"body":"almost undoubtedly within a matter of time before something"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2576.519,"endTime":2581.269,"body":"breaks here. And you know what? The kids are going to see it."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2581.269,"endTime":2584.159,"body":"They're gonna see the brokenness, and yet if they see"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2584.159,"endTime":2589.099,"body":"in Grandma and Grandpa a love amidst that, a love for one"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2589.099,"endTime":2592.318,"body":"another, and a love for the Lord, and a relationship with"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2592.318,"endTime":2596.259,"body":"them 'cause they've been prayed for, that, to me, seems like the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2596.259,"endTime":2600.838,"body":"best chance you have of getting them out of that in the long"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2600.838,"endTime":2605.44,"body":"haul and seeing your kids, come to the Lord. So position"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2605.44,"endTime":2609.139,"body":"yourself that when... Not that you, I mean, not that you pray"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2609.139,"endTime":2611.44,"body":"that somebody's life is miserable, but you pray that"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2611.44,"endTime":2612.94,"body":"they have awareness of their sin,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2613.48,"endTime":2617.059,"body":"and you pray that this sinful, broken relationship doesn't work"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2617.059,"endTime":2621.159,"body":"out because the desire is to see them come back to the Lord."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2622.079,"endTime":2625.0,"body":"So for me, that's how I would approach things. I have a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2625.0,"endTime":2626.48,"body":"million questions I could think of."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2626.48,"endTime":2626.849,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2626.849,"endTime":2628.92,"body":"Like, questions such as, \"What was it about"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2628.92,"endTime":2633.699,"body":"COVID that things started to change?\" what- \"How do you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2633.699,"endTime":2636.699,"body":"reconcile this with some of the biblical teaching about Jesus?\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2636.699,"endTime":2639.298,"body":"And these aren't gotcha questions. I'm really"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2639.298,"endTime":2642.298,"body":"curious about this. I'd ask questions like, \"You know where"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2642.298,"endTime":2646.579,"body":"we come from. How do you think this lands with us? I'm just"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2646.579,"endTime":2648.318,"body":"curious to hear you talk about"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2648.858,"endTime":2652.579,"body":"how you think this affects us. How do you see us being"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2652.579,"endTime":2655.778,"body":"involved? You've opened a conversation now, but how do you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2655.778,"endTime":2658.858,"body":"see us being involved for the long haul?\" And if anything,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2658.858,"endTime":2662.099,"body":"just get clarity on their expectations, where they're"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2662.099,"endTime":2665.719,"body":"coming from, where they're at now, and then how you can be a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2665.719,"endTime":2667.4,"body":"part of that, and hopefully"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2667.98,"endTime":2670.159,"body":"see them come back to the Lord."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2670.159,"endTime":2672.4,"body":"There's one thing I'd add to this, too. The other,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2672.4,"endTime":2675.019,"body":"I think the other reason for, at least at the beginning, making"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2675.019,"endTime":2680.679,"body":"this non-judgmental is I think it may be that the, your"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2680.679,"endTime":2684.639,"body":"ultimate goal needs to be to stay in the lives of those kids."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2685.719,"endTime":2690.139,"body":"Because if mom and dad are not headed in the right"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2690.139,"endTime":2693.878,"body":"direction spiritually, these grandparents may be some of the,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2693.878,"endTime":2696.579,"body":"some of the few little bits of salt and light that's gonna be"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2696.579,"endTime":2697.92,"body":"in these kids' lives."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2697.92,"endTime":2698.539,"body":"Amen."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2698.539,"endTime":2701.0,"body":"And somebody is gonna have to be there to pick"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2701.0,"endTime":2701.96,"body":"up the wreckage"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2702.599,"endTime":2703.63,"body":"in the kids' lives"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2704.239,"endTime":2708.039,"body":"when these unstable relationships actually go sour."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2709.278,"endTime":2711.94,"body":"So that would... And it's sort of a, you know, I would"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2711.94,"endTime":2713.679,"body":"encourage, like in a previous question, [chuckles] I"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2713.679,"endTime":2715.9,"body":"would, I would encourage the grandparents to keep their place"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2715.9,"endTime":2716.5,"body":"at the table-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2717.179,"endTime":2718.358,"body":"... For the kids' sake."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2719.46,"endTime":2721.239,"body":"And I don't know how to navigate this. I haven't"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2721.239,"endTime":2724.94,"body":"given this a lot of thought, but I would resist, especially in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2724.94,"endTime":2727.719,"body":"front of the kids, bad-mouthing Mom and Dad-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2727.719,"endTime":2727.849,"body":"Absolutely, yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2727.849,"endTime":2730.219,"body":"... Because that's just gonna not help in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2730.219,"endTime":2734.88,"body":"the long haul. Be positive, be loving, be encouraging, and over"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2734.88,"endTime":2738.338,"body":"time, the kids will see that difference in you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2738.858,"endTime":2742.539,"body":"and know that you differ. So, man, Scott, this is great."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2742.539,"endTime":2743.009,"body":"It's, this was fun."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2743.009,"endTime":2744.449,"body":"Nine fascinating questions."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2744.449,"endTime":2744.5,"body":"This was fun."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2744.5,"endTime":2747.159,"body":"I wanna know from our audience, send a note"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2747.159,"endTime":2750.338,"body":"in to us. Do you find this helpful for us to take a full"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2750.338,"endTime":2752.798,"body":"session on Q\u0026A? Do you want us to do it again, or is it like,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2752.798,"endTime":2755.159,"body":"\"Hey, that was moderately interesting.\""},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2755.159,"endTime":2755.168,"body":"[laughs]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2755.168,"endTime":2757.639,"body":"\"Keep the Q\u0026A to the end of the Weekly Cultural"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2757.639,"endTime":2759.079,"body":"Update,\" and we'll say-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":2759.079,"endTime":2759.239,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2759.239,"endTime":2762.159,"body":"... \"Memo noted,\" and adjust accordingly."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2762.159,"endTime":2765.199,"body":"But we love the questions, and we hope you'll keep sending"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2765.199,"endTime":2770.019,"body":"comments in to thinkbiblically@biola.edu."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2770.019,"endTime":2772.579,"body":"[upbeat music] If you enjoyed this conversation, share it with"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2772.579,"endTime":2775.759,"body":"a friend. 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