{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":0.1,"endTime":3.259,"body":"[upbeat music] Ruslan is one of the most"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3.259,"endTime":6.04,"body":"recognizable Christian influencers today. He's a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":6.04,"endTime":10.22,"body":"popular YouTuber, rapper, and author of the new book, Godly"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":10.22,"endTime":10.939,"body":"Ambition."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":10.939,"endTime":11.359,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":11.359,"endTime":13.699,"body":"You gave me the opportunity to endorse this. I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":13.699,"endTime":16.46,"body":"think it's fantastic. We're gonna look at your life, your"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":16.46,"endTime":20.199,"body":"assessment of the church today, and a warning you have for young"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":20.199,"endTime":22.879,"body":"Christians. This is long overdue, but thanks for coming"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":22.879,"endTime":23.32,"body":"on, man."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":23.32,"endTime":25.26,"body":"Man, thanks for having me. Yeah, I had you on"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":25.26,"endTime":26.66,"body":"about a year ago-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":26.66,"endTime":27.44,"body":"Yeah, a couple times"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":27.44,"endTime":28.199,"body":"... In this same conversation. Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":28.199,"endTime":30.26,"body":"Couple times you've been on. Well, I wanna"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":30.26,"endTime":31.39,"body":"start with your story."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":31.39,"endTime":31.44,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":31.44,"endTime":33.439,"body":"I know you were not born in the States, you were"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":33.439,"endTime":36.84,"body":"not a Christian growing up. Tell us about your family growing up."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":36.84,"endTime":38.52,"body":"Yeah, so I'm ethnically Armenian-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":38.52,"endTime":38.74,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":38.74,"endTime":42.939,"body":"... But raised in a country called Azerbaijan, Baku-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":42.939,"endTime":43.21,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":43.21,"endTime":47.659,"body":"... Which is just to the east of Armenia. And Armenia"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":47.659,"endTime":51.74,"body":"and the Turks have a long ongoing thing from the Armenian"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":51.74,"endTime":56.159,"body":"genocide, and so Turkey, Azerbaijan, often referred to as"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":56.159,"endTime":57.009,"body":"two nations-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":57.009,"endTime":57.14,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":57.14,"endTime":58.31,"body":"... Two people, one state."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":58.31,"endTime":58.64,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":58.64,"endTime":61.32,"body":"And there's been a lot of deep,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":62.56,"endTime":65.14,"body":"ethnic cleansing in that region of Armenians. 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[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":108.14,"endTime":109.78,"body":"And so because we were fair-skinned, we stayed"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":109.78,"endTime":112.9,"body":"behind longer to kinda- ... Settle the affairs. And yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":112.9,"endTime":117.54,"body":"came to the United States as a refugee, in '91. My mom was the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":117.54,"endTime":117.599,"body":"only one-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":117.599,"endTime":118.439,"body":"So you were how old?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":118.439,"endTime":119.34,"body":"I was six."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":119.34,"endTime":119.78,"body":"Oh, wow."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":119.78,"endTime":120.51,"body":"Yeah, to San Diego-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":120.51,"endTime":120.59,"body":"Okay"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":120.59,"endTime":122.609,"body":"... Which is a very different San Diego-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":122.609,"endTime":122.709,"body":"Oh, yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":122.709,"endTime":123.65,"body":"... Than it is now, you know-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":123.65,"endTime":123.769,"body":"That's true"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":123.769,"endTime":125.939,"body":"... In the City Heights area-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":125.939,"endTime":125.969,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":125.969,"endTime":128.199,"body":"... Folks who are familiar with San Diego."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":128.199,"endTime":128.659,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":129.52,"endTime":132.259,"body":"subsequently, after my mom and my dad split- ..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":133.36,"endTime":137.759,"body":"Because of infidelity on both sides- ... 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This can be verified."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":176.639,"endTime":177.5,"body":"I actually didn't know that. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":177.5,"endTime":179.3,"body":"Yeah, so you think, you know, seven years old-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":179.3,"endTime":180.8,"body":"We have grape juice in the Baptist Church,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":180.8,"endTime":180.939,"body":"man, so-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":180.939,"endTime":182.74,"body":"Yeah, yeah. We, we were doing the real"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":182.74,"endTime":186.08,"body":"thing. So seven years old, and then something, happened where"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":186.08,"endTime":189.18,"body":"there were- ... Some older altar boys who were, like, early"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":189.18,"endTime":192.02,"body":"teens, like 12, 13, 14. I was, like, seven or eight. They ended"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":192.02,"endTime":193.24,"body":"up sexually assaulting me."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":193.78,"endTime":195.329,"body":"And that ended up,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":196.159,"endTime":199.259,"body":"just completely doing a number on everything-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":199.259,"endTime":199.56,"body":"Oh, yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":199.56,"endTime":201.71,"body":"... Regards to God, regards to faith, regards to how"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":202.24,"endTime":205.759,"body":"the church didn't handle it, didn't engage with it, and just"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":205.759,"endTime":207.439,"body":"kinda checked out. And I remember in fourth grade, I got"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":207.439,"endTime":210.74,"body":"my ear pierced, and I came to the church, and my ter hayr, my,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":210.74,"endTime":213.28,"body":"my priest at the time, like, sat me down and confronted me about"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":213.28,"endTime":214.99,"body":"my earring."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":215.71,"endTime":218.259,"body":"And like, quotes Leviticus to me, and I'm like, \"Dude,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":218.259,"endTime":220.439,"body":"like, [chuckles] what?\" You know?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":220.439,"endTime":221.699,"body":"Even in fourth grade-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":221.699,"endTime":221.78,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":221.78,"endTime":223.039,"body":"... It's like, something's-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":223.039,"endTime":223.28,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":223.28,"endTime":223.939,"body":"... Messed up."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":223.939,"endTime":226.259,"body":"And, and then my mom was bitter at the church, 'cause"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":226.259,"endTime":229.36,"body":"they remarried my dad, which they technically- ... Shouldn't"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":229.36,"endTime":233.12,"body":"have, because he, I- according to her, was never divorced from"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":233.12,"endTime":236.68,"body":"her. So she goes down this downward spiral of alcohol. She"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":236.68,"endTime":239.039,"body":"does not like the church. I don't like the church 'cause of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":239.039,"endTime":241.96,"body":"what happened, and so I had to have been the youngest"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":241.96,"endTime":243.58,"body":"atheist on the face of the earth."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":243.58,"endTime":244.46,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":244.46,"endTime":247.68,"body":"Fourth, fifth grade, I'm like, \"There is no God.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":247.68,"endTime":248.599,"body":"Like, you would say that?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":248.599,"endTime":248.759,"body":"Yeah. Oh, yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":248.759,"endTime":250.319,"body":"Like, you just flat-out-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":250.319,"endTime":250.719,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":250.719,"endTime":251.74,"body":"... 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Why would a good God have my father"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":269.12,"endTime":272.759,"body":"leave? Why would a good God, you know, allow me to go through"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":272.759,"endTime":276.259,"body":"this sort of stuff with, you know, being exposed to sexuality"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":276.259,"endTime":279.12,"body":"at a very early age and, the sexual assault-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":279.639,"endTime":281.92,"body":"... And the way it wa- it was handled? Thth Those were the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":281.92,"endTime":284.459,"body":"questions that I was kinda wrestling with initially, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":284.459,"endTime":287.36,"body":"then that sent me down just a crazy spiral of, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":288.439,"endTime":289.74,"body":"drugs, alcohol."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":291.36,"endTime":294.22,"body":"I got... We were breaking into homes, so I got arrested at age"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":294.22,"endTime":295.5,"body":"11 for breaking into a home."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":295.5,"endTime":296.439,"body":"11 years old-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":296.439,"endTime":296.68,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":296.68,"endTime":297.24,"body":"... You're arrested?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":297.24,"endTime":301.48,"body":"Yeah, I was, I was caught hanging out of a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":301.48,"endTime":304.259,"body":"bathroom window of a condo around the corner, 'cause we"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":304.259,"endTime":307.019,"body":"were trying to bail out our own-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":307.019,"endTime":307.029,"body":"Wow"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":307.029,"endTime":309.319,"body":"... Our gang leader. Uh-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":309.319,"endTime":309.74,"body":"Wow!"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":309.74,"endTime":312.66,"body":"Yeah, and so, you know, my mom's a single mom."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":312.66,"endTime":315.899,"body":"She's, she's frustrated. You know, she's like, \"Dude, like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":315.899,"endTime":318.279,"body":"you're, you're out of control.\" And I-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":319.079,"endTime":321.329,"body":"my first, like, real exposure to the gospel was"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":321.939,"endTime":325.06,"body":"when I got arrested, I had to do some community service. I was so"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":325.06,"endTime":326.009,"body":"young, they were just kinda like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":326.86,"endTime":328.42,"body":"\"Do 30 hours of community service-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":328.42,"endTime":328.449,"body":"[chuckles] Okay"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":328.449,"endTime":330.339,"body":"... And, like, we'll, we'll leave you alone.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":330.339,"endTime":332.42,"body":"The, the older kids that got arrested with me, they,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":332.42,"endTime":335.519,"body":"theirs was a bit more serious, like they had, like, a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":335.519,"endTime":337.279,"body":"whole- they had a probation officer and this whole thing. I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":337.279,"endTime":342.199,"body":"just had to do community service, and I ended up doing it"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":342.199,"endTime":342.74,"body":"at a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":343.42,"endTime":346.199,"body":"church that was connected to some folks in my apartment"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":346.199,"endTime":349.839,"body":"complex- ... Black Baptist church. And that was the first"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":349.839,"endTime":352.819,"body":"time, in the mid-'90s, that I'm starting to hear about Jesus,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":352.819,"endTime":355.399,"body":"you know? And they're telling me, \"You know, God has a plan"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":355.399,"endTime":358.439,"body":"for you, God loves you.\" And I'm like, \"No, you know, like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":358.439,"endTime":361.639,"body":"there is no God, and if there is a God, He definitely doesn't"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":361.639,"endTime":364.339,"body":"love me.\" And, and that was my mindset. And they had"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":364.339,"endTime":369.427,"body":"this sweetness to them, where they-... They exhibited grace"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":369.427,"endTime":372.548,"body":"and truth. There was, like, an acceptance of, like, \"You're a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":372.548,"endTime":375.468,"body":"messed up kid, and we love you right where you are-\" \"..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":375.468,"endTime":379.168,"body":"But God has so much more than you.\" And then, you know, it"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":379.168,"endTime":381.927,"body":"turned into these weird, like, kind of prophetic moments, where"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":381.927,"endTime":384.127,"body":"it was like, \"God's, God's gonna do great things with you"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":384.127,"endTime":385.247,"body":"someday. You're, you're gonna speak-\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":385.247,"endTime":386.487,"body":"Like, they would tell you that-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":386.487,"endTime":386.958,"body":"They would tell me this stuff"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":386.958,"endTime":387.497,"body":"... 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I'm around"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":415.927,"endTime":418.208,"body":"Charlie and Willie, who are taking me out, and they're kind"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":418.208,"endTime":420.098,"body":"of playing as these, like, pseudo father figures to me,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":420.098,"endTime":425.548,"body":"'cause my dad wasn't- ... Really around. And eighth grade, we end"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":425.548,"endTime":428.767,"body":"up relocating from the Normal Heights, City Heights area to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":428.767,"endTime":433.908,"body":"Vista, which was like a suburban-ish, slower pace of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":433.908,"endTime":437.588,"body":"life, and that was, like, my shot at, like, a... Okay, I knew"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":437.588,"endTime":439.608,"body":"that, like, I... Like, I wasn't a tough guy. Like, we weren't,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":439.608,"endTime":442.127,"body":"like... We didn't have guns. We weren't, like, fighting, and,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":442.127,"endTime":445.067,"body":"and, like, d- like, we were just breaking into st- breaking"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":445.067,"endTime":447.767,"body":"into houses, stealing from stores, smoking weed, that sort"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":447.767,"endTime":451.206,"body":"of stuff. Moved to Vista, and it was like a clean slate. It was"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":451.206,"endTime":454.067,"body":"like, \"Okay, cool.\" Like, I knew that this was a fresh start."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":454.067,"endTime":456.298,"body":"You could have a clean slate in those days. 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But kind of what I ran into is like, \"Okay, cool."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":672.048,"endTime":674.148,"body":"N- I believe in Jesus. I'm in church. I'm in a community"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":674.148,"endTime":675.366,"body":"group. I'm reading my Bible-\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":675.366,"endTime":675.668,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":675.668,"endTime":675.677,"body":"\"..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":676.707,"endTime":679.427,"body":"But I still have all these issues. Like, I'm still"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":679.427,"endTime":681.567,"body":"wrestling with sin. I'm still struggling with porn. I'm still"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":681.567,"endTime":684.587,"body":"doing these thing,\" and I, and I, and I would read, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":685.248,"endTime":687.727,"body":"Every Young Man's Battle, w- read it multiple... 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I have, I have so"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":719.988,"endTime":722.048,"body":"many questions I wanna ask you about this."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":722.048,"endTime":722.107,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":722.107,"endTime":724.307,"body":"Camera won't pick it up, but my dad is here"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":724.307,"endTime":726.758,"body":"watching. They came this morning, wanted to meet you."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":726.758,"endTime":728.317,"body":"Super cool. I got him to sign my, uh-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":728.317,"endTime":728.317,"body":"Aw!"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":728.317,"endTime":729.467,"body":"... 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And so yeah, I would, I would say that."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":766.336,"endTime":768.255,"body":"John's- I mean, the Book of John is incredible."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":768.255,"endTime":771.015,"body":"The deity is all over it, from, \"In the beginning was the Word-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":771.015,"endTime":771.046,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":771.046,"endTime":773.296,"body":"... The Word was with God, the Word was God,\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":773.296,"endTime":778.216,"body":"John 5, John 8, John 10, John 20. Deity is everywhere. All"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":778.216,"endTime":781.155,"body":"right, so let's... I wanna shift to your channel. 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People would send me their music, they would review,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":898.956,"endTime":900.696,"body":"and I wasn't, like, the biggest Christian hip-hop"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":900.696,"endTime":903.836,"body":"artist, but I'd made a living providing for me and my wife and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":903.836,"endTime":906.275,"body":"my son. You know, living in Southern California, that's,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":906.275,"endTime":906.855,"body":"like-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":906.855,"endTime":907.306,"body":"Yeah. [laughs]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":907.306,"endTime":910.375,"body":"... .1% of artists in general, as an independent"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":910.375,"endTime":910.796,"body":"artist."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":910.796,"endTime":911.336,"body":"For sure."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":911.336,"endTime":911.755,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":912.456,"endTime":914.456,"body":"I would just give people advice, and then they started asking me"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":914.456,"endTime":917.076,"body":"more que- they started asking me about this- ... This thing or"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":917.076,"endTime":919.176,"body":"that thing, and this scandal, and this, and it... And just"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":919.176,"endTime":921.196,"body":"trying to like, \"Hey, like, how do I process this?\" You know?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":921.196,"endTime":922.676,"body":"And I re- I remember"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":923.596,"endTime":924.696,"body":"it was really around the time,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":925.216,"endTime":928.065,"body":"I wanna say, of Ravi Zacharias, and people just had-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":928.065,"endTime":928.065,"body":"Oh, yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":928.065,"endTime":930.655,"body":"... They were just so burdened by it, you know, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":930.655,"endTime":931.765,"body":"just started asking me- ... And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":932.275,"endTime":934.796,"body":"I would, I would just, I would just give my opinion on stuff,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":934.796,"endTime":938.436,"body":"you know? And, like, that, for whatever reason, resonate with-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":938.436,"endTime":941.615,"body":"resonated with people. And then they asked me more, and the end"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":941.615,"endTime":944.096,"body":"of 2020, during the lockdowns,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":944.716,"endTime":946.796,"body":"I was like, \"You know what? Let, let me, let me lean into this a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":946.796,"endTime":948.706,"body":"bit more.\" I was already probably active on YouTube for,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":948.706,"endTime":951.995,"body":"like, a year and a half. I think I was at maybe 15,000"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":951.995,"endTime":955.076,"body":"subscribers, and I was just doing podcast clips, just like"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":955.076,"endTime":957.755,"body":"this, me and my friends backstage at shows, podcast"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":957.755,"endTime":960.176,"body":"clips, and then I started doing live streaming. And then I said,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":960.176,"endTime":962.865,"body":"\"Well, let me combine what people actually want from me-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":962.865,"endTime":964.615,"body":"... And lean into the conversations.\" I think of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":964.615,"endTime":966.336,"body":"the... I think there's a- I think it's in Philippians,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":966.336,"endTime":968.166,"body":"where, you know, he says, \"Consider others"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":969.015,"endTime":969.485,"body":"above yourself.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":969.485,"endTime":969.495,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":969.495,"endTime":970.686,"body":"Like, \"Consider other needs.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":970.686,"endTime":970.936,"body":"That's right."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":970.936,"endTime":972.855,"body":"And so it's like, if I have a degree of insight based"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":972.855,"endTime":975.676,"body":"on being in small groups, leading Bible studies for 15"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":975.676,"endTime":979.735,"body":"years, let me lean into that expertise and the felt"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":979.735,"endTime":982.015,"body":"needs of what people are going through."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":982.015,"endTime":983.475,"body":"I love hearing that it traces back to a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":983.475,"endTime":986.316,"body":"teacher, 'cause I taught high school before I came to Biola,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":986.316,"endTime":987.596,"body":"21 years."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":987.596,"endTime":988.015,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":988.015,"endTime":990.296,"body":"And I would do a lot of days where we'd just pick"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":990.296,"endTime":991.025,"body":"a news story."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":991.025,"endTime":991.395,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":991.395,"endTime":993.395,"body":"And my angle was, how do we think biblically"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":993.395,"endTime":997.115,"body":"about this? And there's always some biblical angle- ... But you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":997.115,"endTime":999.676,"body":"start with where people are at, a felt need and interest."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":999.676,"endTime":1000.176,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1000.176,"endTime":1002.796,"body":"Tie it into history, tie it in the Bible. I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1002.796,"endTime":1005.235,"body":"don't do that on my channel, but I can see the power and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1005.235,"endTime":1009.135,"body":"significance and importance of approaching things that way. I,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1009.135,"endTime":1011.716,"body":"I had no idea there was a backstory. That's, that's cool."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1011.716,"endTime":1014.355,"body":"So there's a lot of concerns about the Church, and you're"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1014.355,"endTime":1017.375,"body":"addressing issues that are popping up. But if you had to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1017.375,"endTime":1021.696,"body":"make, like, of a broad sweep of the Evangelical church today,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1021.696,"endTime":1025.855,"body":"how do you assess it? Like, what are we missing? What do we need"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1025.855,"endTime":1028.976,"body":"to do better in this cultural moment?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1028.976,"endTime":1032.215,"body":"I think the Evangelical church, which often"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1032.215,"endTime":1035.576,"body":"gets overlapped with conservative Christians, whether"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1035.576,"endTime":1036.355,"body":"for good or for bad-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1036.355,"endTime":1037.135,"body":"Yeah, [chuckles] agreed"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1038.935,"endTime":1040.096,"body":"... Lacks"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1041.155,"endTime":1041.596,"body":"vision"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1042.415,"endTime":1045.736,"body":"for how we are to serve the marginalized- ... And the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1045.736,"endTime":1047.596,"body":"distraught, globally and locally."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1048.276,"endTime":1052.375,"body":"And when there's not a clear vision casted for it, the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1053.256,"endTime":1056.476,"body":"trickle-down effects aren't, aren't good, and so then it"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1056.476,"endTime":1059.756,"body":"bleeds into politics, and it... And, and we can, we can-- not"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1059.756,"endTime":1062.435,"body":"that we are, 'cause I think the data doesn't support this, but"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1062.435,"endTime":1067.715,"body":"we can come off a bit distant, a bit callous, a bit hardened to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1067.715,"endTime":1071.236,"body":"hurting people and the craziness that the, that this is, this"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1071.236,"endTime":1072.155,"body":"world. And I think if"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1072.695,"endTime":1075.655,"body":"we casted a vision for how to serve people, how to love"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1075.655,"endTime":1077.465,"body":"people, how to lead people,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1078.036,"endTime":1080.695,"body":"how to be the city on a hill, how to be the salt of the earth,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1080.695,"endTime":1082.675,"body":"how to be the light of the world, I think if we were more"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1082.675,"endTime":1085.776,"body":"intentional to cast that vision, we would"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1087.036,"endTime":1089.435,"body":"make more progress, I think, in a lot of regards. And so when,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1089.435,"endTime":1091.655,"body":"when we, when we haven't or we don't, not... 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Like, like, there's a perversion of how they"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1107.215,"endTime":1109.915,"body":"go about some of these things, and I think, we j- we just"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1109.915,"endTime":1112.256,"body":"haven't been clear, and we haven't casted that vision. And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1112.256,"endTime":1115.935,"body":"so then when that overlaps with... Which I am conservative."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1115.935,"endTime":1118.016,"body":"I've, I've grown way more conservative. I've felt very"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1118.016,"endTime":1120.715,"body":"pushed to the right the last couple years. When that overlaps"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1120.715,"endTime":1123.487,"body":"with politics, I think, um-... You know, you're talking"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1123.487,"endTime":1127.067,"body":"about, like, the harshness of how capitalism can"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1127.067,"endTime":1129.667,"body":"come off, the harshness of how, like, \"Hey, we're, we're going-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1129.667,"endTime":1132.607,"body":"no, we are gonna legislate morality, and we don't care"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1132.607,"endTime":1134.987,"body":"what you think about it,\" right? Like, that can come off very"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1134.987,"endTime":1137.747,"body":"callous to people who are, who are blind and don't have ears to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1137.747,"endTime":1140.847,"body":"hear, eyes to see. So I think what we could do better, in my"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1140.847,"endTime":1143.946,"body":"opinion- ... Is cast a vision for"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1144.847,"endTime":1149.307,"body":"love, unity, charity, beauty, goodness, and hopefully be known"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1149.307,"endTime":1153.207,"body":"more by the things we're for and not by the things we're against."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1153.207,"endTime":1154.847,"body":"I'm not sure what I expect you to say, but I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1154.847,"endTime":1157.367,"body":"don't think I expect you to say that, and I think there's a lot"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1157.367,"endTime":1160.186,"body":"of wisdom in that. I'm an apologist, so I'm always talking"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1160.186,"endTime":1163.567,"body":"about how we defend the faith and advance the case. One thing"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1163.567,"endTime":1167.327,"body":"Os Guinness has said is, \"If we don't have credibility, it"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1167.327,"endTime":1170.946,"body":"doesn't matter what we say and what we argue for.\" Well, if"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1170.946,"endTime":1173.987,"body":"we're not doing the things you're talking about, nobody's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1173.987,"endTime":1176.186,"body":"gonna say, \"I wanna be a part of that team, I wanna be a part of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1176.186,"endTime":1180.288,"body":"that club,\" because of the hypocrisy that's there. And the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1180.288,"endTime":1182.567,"body":"other thing that's amazing, it's, it's not like here's some"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1182.567,"endTime":1185.487,"body":"new vision we need today. You're kinda saying, \"Let's just go"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1185.487,"endTime":1188.946,"body":"back to actually what Jesus did, [chuckles] what Paul did, what"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1188.946,"endTime":1191.467,"body":"the Bible talks about.\" I mean, there's been all this discussion"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1191.467,"endTime":1195.887,"body":"recently about diversity, and it's like, okay, diversity is"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1195.887,"endTime":1199.347,"body":"built into the Christian worldview, the character of God,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1199.347,"endTime":1202.788,"body":"one God, three persons, marriage, heaven of every"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1202.788,"endTime":1206.727,"body":"nation. And so in some ways, we don't really need a new vision."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1206.727,"endTime":1210.327,"body":"You're saying, \"Let's lean into what Jesus really taught and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1210.327,"endTime":1211.417,"body":"live it out bottom up.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1212.428,"endTime":1214.407,"body":"Love that. At some point, I'd love to have a conversation what"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1214.407,"endTime":1216.707,"body":"that could look like, to cast that vision, to live that out in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1216.707,"endTime":1219.387,"body":"the church. Let's come back to it. I got another question for"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1219.387,"endTime":1223.127,"body":"you. There's been a lot of talk recently about kind of the God"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1223.127,"endTime":1224.707,"body":"conversation shifting."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1224.707,"endTime":1225.387,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1225.387,"endTime":1227.387,"body":"And I think one of the people that really kicked"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1227.387,"endTime":1229.627,"body":"this off was Justin Brierley and his book-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1229.627,"endTime":1229.637,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1229.637,"endTime":1231.207,"body":"... 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And took criticism for it."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1238.857,"endTime":1238.867,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1238.867,"endTime":1240.847,"body":"But we keep seeing these stories pop up,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1240.847,"endTime":1245.147,"body":"like Pew Research, some of the nuns at least has slowed down."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1245.147,"endTime":1248.107,"body":"The one in the UK recently about, I think it was, I had to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1248.107,"endTime":1251.928,"body":"count, a decade or two ago, like 4% of 16 to 20-year-old,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1251.928,"endTime":1255.288,"body":"24-year-olds went to church. Now it's, like, 16%. We're seeing"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1255.288,"endTime":1257.907,"body":"these conversions, like on Ayan Hirsi Ali."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1258.946,"endTime":1261.587,"body":"Do you sense... Do you agree with that, given where you're"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1261.587,"endTime":1266.127,"body":"at? Are you sensing a new openness in spiritual things and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1266.127,"endTime":1268.587,"body":"God compared to the new atheists in the past?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1268.587,"endTime":1271.748,"body":"I would say with Gen Z, yes. I'd say with Gen Z, yes,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1271.748,"endTime":1272.407,"body":"because"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1273.147,"endTime":1276.807,"body":"data- one, the data shows it, right? I wanna say, is it 48% of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1276.807,"endTime":1279.347,"body":"Gen Z is Jesus curious or open to Jesus?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1279.347,"endTime":1280.087,"body":"Yeah, that's right."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1280.087,"endTime":1282.548,"body":"That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1282.548,"endTime":1286.627,"body":"I would say with my generation, millennials, I think they have"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1286.627,"endTime":1290.827,"body":"backdoored so many interesting things around worldview and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1290.827,"endTime":1294.807,"body":"ideology with Christianity, that, like, when they leave the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1294.807,"endTime":1298.407,"body":"church, they go the opposite extreme. They swing all the way"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1298.407,"endTime":1302.627,"body":"to a very, in my opinion, disoriented, deconstructed,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1304.167,"endTime":1307.587,"body":"incoherent framework sometimes, not all the time. And but I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1307.587,"endTime":1313.707,"body":"think Gen Z has not been as corrupted by some of the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1313.707,"endTime":1316.028,"body":"cultural issues as the millennials have been."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1316.548,"endTime":1320.528,"body":"And again, I'm, I'm not trying to... People have struggled with"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1320.528,"endTime":1323.428,"body":"the faith for as long as there's been Christianity, right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1323.428,"endTime":1324.337,"body":"They always will. [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1324.337,"endTime":1326.946,"body":"The, the... What is it? 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But, but I think millennials g- really"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1334.727,"endTime":1337.587,"body":"went through it 2016 to 2020."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1337.587,"endTime":1338.048,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1338.048,"endTime":1340.167,"body":"And so now the Gen Z, they don't have that same"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1340.167,"endTime":1343.307,"body":"baggage, and so they're just looking at Jesus and the claims"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1343.307,"endTime":1347.686,"body":"of Jesus. And, yes, that does impact other things, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1347.686,"endTime":1351.367,"body":"they seem to at least acknowledge that it's a more"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1351.367,"endTime":1354.686,"body":"coherent and functional framework of the world. And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1354.686,"endTime":1356.407,"body":"that, and that brings me a lot of hope. 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You know, the,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1379.607,"endTime":1382.667,"body":"these generations, like the Gen Z, like, they're the most"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1382.667,"endTime":1385.548,"body":"marketed to generation, and I think they're just tired of,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1385.548,"endTime":1388.467,"body":"like, repeatedly being told or indirectly told that,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1388.467,"endTime":1391.707,"body":"like, \"Hey, like, you're just a highly evolved animal in heat,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1391.707,"endTime":1394.587,"body":"and, like, you just need to, you know, go at the whim of your"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1394.587,"endTime":1398.087,"body":"most primal urges, and, like, that's what you're supposed to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1398.087,"endTime":1400.847,"body":"do.\" I think they go, \"Ah, there's something deeper here."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1400.847,"endTime":1402.268,"body":"There's something more transcendent.\" \"There's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1402.268,"endTime":1402.557,"body":"something"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1403.067,"endTime":1407.667,"body":"more beautiful than just, like, let me just live my most primal"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1407.667,"endTime":1408.217,"body":"instincts.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1408.748,"endTime":1411.467,"body":"And, and I, and I, and I like that, and they're willing to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1411.467,"endTime":1414.887,"body":"lean in and ask the hard questions. So I get that sense"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1414.887,"endTime":1415.907,"body":"from Gen Z, yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1416.548,"endTime":1417.548,"body":"The Volume 3"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1418.467,"endTime":1422.087,"body":"Barna study on Gen Z, if I remember correctly, it's about"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1422.087,"endTime":1425.446,"body":"half of Gen Z-ers haven't been to church in the past year."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1425.446,"endTime":1426.107,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1426.107,"endTime":1428.507,"body":"Now, someone can interpret that as a lack of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1428.507,"endTime":1432.007,"body":"spiritual curiosity. I think they're curious, but they're not"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1432.007,"endTime":1435.446,"body":"going to the traditional routes that just go to church that"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1435.446,"endTime":1437.067,"body":"others have in the past."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1437.067,"endTime":1437.137,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1437.647,"endTime":1440.268,"body":"I think they lack the bad experience with the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1440.268,"endTime":1442.607,"body":"Church in some ways- ... That previous generations did. Some"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1442.607,"endTime":1444.407,"body":"of the deconstruction movement-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1444.407,"endTime":1444.417,"body":"Yep"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1444.417,"endTime":1446.147,"body":"... And some of the stuff you're talking about"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1446.147,"endTime":1450.048,"body":"is reacting to bad experiences. I don't think they have that bad"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1450.048,"endTime":1453.048,"body":"experience, but also the lack of knowledge in the Church."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1453.048,"endTime":1453.657,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1453.657,"endTime":1455.327,"body":"And hence, you're right, I think that other"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1455.327,"endTime":1458.067,"body":"study by Barna about spiritual openness is like, this is an"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1458.067,"endTime":1461.487,"body":"open, curious generation. I'm not gonna call it revival- ..."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1461.487,"endTime":1465.347,"body":"But I do sense an openness and an interest in my, in my"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1465.347,"endTime":1466.527,"body":"experience as well."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1466.527,"endTime":1467.067,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1467.067,"endTime":1468.228,"body":"One of the things I love about you, Ruslan,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1468.228,"endTime":1470.367,"body":"is you're willing to talk with people who see the world"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1470.367,"endTime":1471.467,"body":"differently than you do."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1471.467,"endTime":1471.667,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1471.667,"endTime":1473.248,"body":"I do this a lot. Sometimes [chuckles] I take"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1473.248,"endTime":1475.428,"body":"criticism for it, whether it's progressive Christians,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1475.428,"endTime":1476.487,"body":"atheists, agnostics,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1477.048,"endTime":1479.107,"body":"you name it, looking for common ground."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1480.186,"endTime":1483.894,"body":"Why do you prioritize those conversations?... And what's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1483.894,"endTime":1486.884,"body":"your goal when you bring on people, not just Christians who"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1486.884,"endTime":1490.243,"body":"differ over whatever theological issue, people with a completely"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1490.243,"endTime":1491.282,"body":"different worldview?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1491.282,"endTime":1491.564,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1491.564,"endTime":1493.713,"body":"Why do you prioritize that?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1493.713,"endTime":1496.223,"body":"I think there's utility in hopefully"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1496.223,"endTime":1500.042,"body":"highlighting how we can disagree with people. I don't always do"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1500.042,"endTime":1501.503,"body":"it perfect. I-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1501.503,"endTime":1502.094,"body":"Me neither, for the record."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1502.094,"endTime":1504.703,"body":"I sometimes, you know, I sometimes crash out"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1504.703,"endTime":1505.973,"body":"on people, unfortunately."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1505.973,"endTime":1505.993,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1505.993,"endTime":1508.443,"body":"You know, the Alex O'Connor moment wasn't"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1508.443,"endTime":1509.463,"body":"my best, uh-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1509.463,"endTime":1510.314,"body":"I loved that interview."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1510.314,"endTime":1510.324,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1510.324,"endTime":1511.223,"body":"I don't even remember... You don't have to-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1511.223,"endTime":1513.604,"body":"we don't have to revisit it, but I love that you had him on-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1513.604,"endTime":1513.693,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1513.693,"endTime":1514.513,"body":"... After the Wes Huff thing."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1514.513,"endTime":1514.523,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1514.523,"endTime":1515.824,"body":"And I remember you guys pushed back and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1515.824,"endTime":1516.423,"body":"disagreed-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1516.423,"endTime":1516.443,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1516.443,"endTime":1519.963,"body":"... But you got huge kudos to me just for doing"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1519.963,"endTime":1520.364,"body":"that."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1520.364,"endTime":1522.223,"body":"Yeah, I think that, I think that would've been... I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1522.223,"endTime":1524.884,"body":"think that would've went better in person. I think we would've"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1524.884,"endTime":1525.854,"body":"had a much better conversation in person."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1525.854,"endTime":1526.713,"body":"I could, I could see that, yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1526.713,"endTime":1528.463,"body":"'Cause he was irritated, and I was"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1528.463,"endTime":1530.733,"body":"irritated w- that he was irritated."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1530.733,"endTime":1530.782,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1530.782,"endTime":1532.743,"body":"Anyway, but yeah, I think there's utility in"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1532.743,"endTime":1535.703,"body":"hopefully demonstrating how to have these conversations-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1535.703,"endTime":1535.933,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1535.933,"endTime":1538.124,"body":"... Because people are having these conversations"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1538.124,"endTime":1540.032,"body":"at Thanksgiving dinner. They're having these conversations- ..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1540.032,"endTime":1542.042,"body":"At Christmas dinner. They're, they're, they're, they're"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1542.584,"endTime":1545.423,"body":"most people are around folks they disagree with, and so I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1545.423,"endTime":1547.643,"body":"think there's utility in that. I also think there's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1548.702,"endTime":1550.894,"body":"cautionary tales that we can learn from- ... The folks that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1550.894,"endTime":1552.983,"body":"have deconstructed and deconverted. And again, and I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1552.983,"endTime":1556.124,"body":"don't wanna hypergeneralize and say that all of it is invalid or"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1556.124,"endTime":1556.963,"body":"anything like that, right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1556.963,"endTime":1557.282,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1557.282,"endTime":1560.124,"body":"But I think there is utility. So, like, one of my..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1560.124,"endTime":1562.144,"body":"Honestly, one of my favorite people to talk to, and I, and I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1562.144,"endTime":1564.203,"body":"do consider this dude a friend, is, like, Tim from The New"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1564.203,"endTime":1567.503,"body":"Evangelicals. Like, I really liked him. He's a good hang,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1568.824,"endTime":1571.324,"body":"and I think there's a lot to learn in terms of, like, what,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1571.324,"endTime":1573.542,"body":"what shifted and what caused him to go"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1574.403,"endTime":1576.032,"body":"the progressive direction. I think,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1576.703,"endTime":1577.463,"body":"my friend,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1578.884,"endTime":1580.894,"body":"Heliocentric, right, the atheist, church,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1581.943,"endTime":1584.483,"body":"amazing... Just, just a good dude. We hang out,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1585.163,"endTime":1587.763,"body":"and I really love talking to him because, again,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1587.763,"endTime":1588.923,"body":"like, how does someone"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1589.663,"endTime":1591.983,"body":"go from, like, on-fire"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1593.144,"endTime":1597.042,"body":"Christian to, like, \"I'm an atheist,\" and not, like, not"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1597.042,"endTime":1600.782,"body":"just an atheist, like, they're, like, a materialist. I'm, I'm so"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1600.782,"endTime":1604.923,"body":"intrigued by that, you know? Yet his posture is he's very"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1604.923,"endTime":1607.963,"body":"church-friendly, you know. His... He, he likes"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1607.963,"endTime":1611.203,"body":"Christians, right? So I think that there's value in just"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1611.203,"endTime":1615.084,"body":"having those conversations and hopefully learning from them to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1615.084,"endTime":1617.703,"body":"maybe help people avoid some of the things that they"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1617.703,"endTime":1621.163,"body":"experienced- ... To the best of our control, right? So that we,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1621.163,"endTime":1623.782,"body":"we don't, we don't have to go through another mass, like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1623.782,"endTime":1628.324,"body":"deconstruction era like we saw happen in that 2018 to 2021- ..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1628.324,"endTime":1629.503,"body":"Window of time."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1629.503,"endTime":1631.644,"body":"I agree with those two. And number one, in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1631.644,"endTime":1634.042,"body":"terms of modeling a conversation, what it looks"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1634.042,"endTime":1636.884,"body":"like, agreeing, disagreeing, and be willing to learn from people"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1636.884,"endTime":1638.773,"body":"who see the world differently."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1638.773,"endTime":1638.804,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1638.804,"endTime":1640.864,"body":"You and I have had this conversation off-air"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1640.864,"endTime":1644.003,"body":"about who we platform- ... And who we don't platform. I have a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1644.003,"endTime":1646.364,"body":"certain system that I kind of work through."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1646.364,"endTime":1647.263,"body":"Okay, you're gonna have to tell me that-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1647.263,"endTime":1647.273,"body":"And, um-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1647.273,"endTime":1648.673,"body":"... 'cause I need some guidance. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1648.673,"endTime":1650.324,"body":"I... Well, I'm not saying I got it figured out."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1650.324,"endTime":1651.594,"body":"We could come back to that."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1651.594,"endTime":1651.624,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1651.624,"endTime":1653.213,"body":"And, you know, I've made mistakes like"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1653.213,"endTime":1656.144,"body":"everybody has, for and against, and I don't think there's any"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1656.144,"endTime":1658.703,"body":"perfect way to do it. But I'd be curious, just when you think"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1658.703,"endTime":1660.563,"body":"about... I mean, you've platformed some controversial"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1660.563,"endTime":1662.223,"body":"people- ... Christians and non-Christians."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1663.364,"endTime":1666.263,"body":"What are at least some of the principles or thoughts that go"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1666.263,"endTime":1669.864,"body":"through your mind when you're gonna platform someone?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1669.864,"endTime":1671.804,"body":"I think I try to ask, like, \"Is, is this a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1671.804,"endTime":1674.364,"body":"good-faith person? 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I'll have people on that are"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1728.624,"endTime":1731.604,"body":"atheist, agnostic, that I actually consider friends, like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1731.604,"endTime":1735.263,"body":"I talk to outside of all this YouTube stuff. But I think"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1735.263,"endTime":1737.364,"body":"sometimes people are reaching out, and it's like, \"Hey, like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1737.364,"endTime":1740.604,"body":"we just we just wanna be on here because of this PR campaign"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1740.604,"endTime":1743.403,"body":"we're doing.\" And that, I think, is,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1744.262,"endTime":1746.683,"body":"Yeah, I don't think that's helpful. 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And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1782.223,"endTime":1784.844,"body":"not that I, not that I think, like, divorce in every single"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1784.844,"endTime":1788.683,"body":"circumstance is always a disqualifier for ministry, but,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1788.683,"endTime":1791.104,"body":"in this context, like, you kind of went through it, and,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1791.104,"endTime":1793.083,"body":"and I, and I had to challenge him on that. 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He, he leaned"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1807.784,"endTime":1808.403,"body":"into the tension, and he-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1808.403,"endTime":1809.923,"body":"Did he know going in you were gonna press"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1809.923,"endTime":1810.213,"body":"him like that?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1810.213,"endTime":1811.104,"body":"Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we had-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1811.104,"endTime":1811.273,"body":"Yeah, that's fair"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1811.273,"endTime":1812.144,"body":"... We had a dinner, and I'm like-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1812.144,"endTime":1812.253,"body":"That's fair"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1812.253,"endTime":1813.663,"body":"... \"Hey, like, I'm not...\" And I'm, and I'm pulling"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1813.663,"endTime":1816.083,"body":"up the scriptures, like, \"Hey, man, like, [laughing] Titus,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1816.083,"endTime":1818.034,"body":"like, Timothy, like, I-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1818.034,"endTime":1818.034,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1818.034,"endTime":1820.364,"body":"... Like, how do you, how do you rationalize"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1820.364,"endTime":1822.374,"body":"this? Like, it seems like there's a standard\"- \"... And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1822.374,"endTime":1825.523,"body":"I'm not saying you, God can't use you. 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Had the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1842.423,"endTime":1845.844,"body":"massive blowout, and how do we not, how can we not learn"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1845.844,"endTime":1847.703,"body":"from something like this? You know?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1847.703,"endTime":1849.384,"body":"Good stuff. I got one or two more for you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1849.384,"endTime":1850.542,"body":"before we jump into your book."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1850.542,"endTime":1850.903,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1851.556,"endTime":1853.236,"body":"... What are the questions-- people ask me all"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1853.236,"endTime":1855.955,"body":"the time, especially youth pastors, teachers,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1855.955,"endTime":1859.175,"body":"they're like- \"What are the questions Gen Z and Gen Alpha"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1859.175,"endTime":1859.905,"body":"are asking?\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1860.615,"endTime":1862.996,"body":"I've got my answer based on where I think the data points"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1862.996,"endTime":1864.296,"body":"and just my experience."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1864.296,"endTime":1864.816,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1864.816,"endTime":1866.875,"body":"What, what questions do you sense tend to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1866.875,"endTime":1870.675,"body":"be biggest for, like, maybe college age and down or high"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1870.675,"endTime":1872.175,"body":"school and down?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1872.175,"endTime":1873.596,"body":"I think questions around sexuality."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1874.135,"endTime":1874.385,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1874.385,"endTime":1876.556,"body":"High percentage of Gen Z is identifying as a part"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1876.556,"endTime":1879.445,"body":"of the LGTB... I call it, sorry, I call it-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1879.445,"endTime":1879.685,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1879.685,"endTime":1880.395,"body":"-LGTB encoded,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1880.955,"endTime":1882.086,"body":"L- LGBQIU."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1882.086,"endTime":1882.486,"body":"LGTB [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1882.486,"endTime":1884.836,"body":"And, you know, the tricky part about that is"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1884.836,"endTime":1887.816,"body":"just like that Q, like, that Q kind of means"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1887.816,"endTime":1888.596,"body":"whatever."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1888.596,"endTime":1889.096,"body":"It does."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1889.096,"endTime":1889.326,"body":"Like, it's just-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1889.326,"endTime":1890.415,"body":"Questioning, queer."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1890.415,"endTime":1891.776,"body":"Yeah, it's just like a junk drawer term."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1891.776,"endTime":1892.056,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1892.056,"endTime":1893.875,"body":"You know? And so I wonder how much of that is,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1893.875,"endTime":1897.915,"body":"like, these people are actually dealing with same-sex attraction"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1897.915,"endTime":1901.355,"body":"in some way, shape, or form, versus like, \"I don't know how I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1901.355,"endTime":1903.215,"body":"feel about...\" Right? And um-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1903.215,"endTime":1903.226,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1903.226,"endTime":1905.316,"body":"So anyway, I think a high percentage of them are"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1905.316,"endTime":1905.996,"body":"dealing with that."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1905.996,"endTime":1906.046,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1906.046,"endTime":1908.996,"body":"They have questions about that. Why does the Bible"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1908.996,"endTime":1912.155,"body":"forbid these sorts of relations? What does that practically look"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1912.155,"endTime":1915.155,"body":"like? What about my friends? Okay, right, I think there's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1915.155,"endTime":1916.516,"body":"real questions that they're asking."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1916.516,"endTime":1916.855,"body":"Agreed."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1918.276,"endTime":1919.836,"body":"And then how does... Like, how does that practically"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1919.836,"endTime":1921.734,"body":"look of like, \"Hey, like, I'm gonna come to faith in Jesus,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1921.734,"endTime":1923.955,"body":"but, like, wait, I can't have sex with my girlfriend? Wait, I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1923.955,"endTime":1926.056,"body":"can't look at porn? Wait, I, like, you're telling me that,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1926.056,"endTime":1929.036,"body":"like, even masturbating is... What?\" You know, I think those"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1929.036,"endTime":1932.056,"body":"are real questions they have- ... Because we live in such a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1932.056,"endTime":1935.115,"body":"hyper-sexualized culture. And the interesting thing about Gen"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1935.115,"endTime":1937.076,"body":"Z is when I looked at the number, though they're the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1937.076,"endTime":1939.855,"body":"highest percentage that identify as a part of that community,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1939.855,"endTime":1943.336,"body":"they're some of the least sexually active. 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Serious things that have been said about him."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1976.455,"endTime":1978.215,"body":"There's some serious stuff that been, that's been impressed"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1978.215,"endTime":1980.335,"body":"about. There's some stuff he's, he said and came out of his"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1980.335,"endTime":1981.025,"body":"mouth.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1982.016,"endTime":1983.734,"body":"how do you reconcile that as a Christian? Like, I think that's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1983.734,"endTime":1984.865,"body":"a legit question, you know."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1984.865,"endTime":1985.516,"body":"Fair. It's totally fair."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1985.516,"endTime":1987.336,"body":"And so I think that's one."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1988.036,"endTime":1990.215,"body":"And I think that's the age-old, like, the conversation of hell"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1990.215,"endTime":1992.645,"body":"is always going to come up, and how do we- ... Navigate that?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1992.645,"endTime":1995.115,"body":"\"And you mean to tell me that people who've never heard about"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1995.115,"endTime":1997.635,"body":"Jesus are going to hell by default?\" Like, I think that,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1997.635,"endTime":1998.115,"body":"that's a conversation."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":1998.115,"endTime":1999.734,"body":"Hell and, hell and evil are kind of the-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":1999.734,"endTime":2000.066,"body":"Yes"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2000.066,"endTime":2000.776,"body":"... Flip side-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2000.776,"endTime":2000.826,"body":"Yes"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2000.826,"endTime":2002.695,"body":"... Just suffering, problem in the world-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2002.695,"endTime":2002.786,"body":"Yep, yep"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2002.786,"endTime":2003.516,"body":"... God's judgment-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2003.516,"endTime":2003.526,"body":"Yep"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2003.526,"endTime":2005.415,"body":"... Which you-- those are kind of timeless"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2005.415,"endTime":2007.076,"body":"questions I think people-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2007.076,"endTime":2007.355,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2007.355,"endTime":2008.375,"body":"... Will always ask."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2008.375,"endTime":2008.455,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2008.455,"endTime":2010.516,"body":"No, that's fair. That's a great, that's a great"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2010.516,"endTime":2011.006,"body":"response."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2011.006,"endTime":2011.645,"body":"Yeah. I can keep going."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2011.645,"endTime":2011.655,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2011.655,"endTime":2012.855,"body":"There's... I think they got a lot of questions."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2012.855,"endTime":2013.175,"body":"[chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2013.875,"endTime":2014.464,"body":"Good. No, that's,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2015.046,"endTime":2015.484,"body":"that's awesome."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2015.484,"endTime":2015.496,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2015.496,"endTime":2016.556,"body":"That's really, that's really helpful."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2016.556,"endTime":2017.516,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2017.516,"endTime":2018.935,"body":"So you started kind of one of the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2018.935,"endTime":2022.036,"body":"impetus, impetuses, I don't even know if that's a word-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2022.036,"endTime":2022.955,"body":"It's a word for this podcast"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2022.955,"endTime":2023.836,"body":"... It is now."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2023.836,"endTime":2024.076,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2024.076,"endTime":2027.476,"body":"To start was kind of the Ravi Zacharias"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2027.476,"endTime":2027.895,"body":"scandal."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2027.895,"endTime":2029.776,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2029.776,"endTime":2032.276,"body":"That one was heartbreaking- ... On so many"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2032.276,"endTime":2035.895,"body":"levels, just devastating, especially as an apologist"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2035.895,"endTime":2038.234,"body":"[chuckles] to me and so many friends and relationships at"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2038.234,"endTime":2043.836,"body":"RZIM. Unfortunately, that wasn't the last one. They just keep"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2043.836,"endTime":2047.536,"body":"coming- ... And it's discouraging, and it's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2047.536,"endTime":2049.695,"body":"devastating, and it's the kind of people I go, \"Well, it'll"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2049.695,"endTime":2052.355,"body":"never be that person,\" so I just don't even [chuckles] literally"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2052.355,"endTime":2053.456,"body":"say that anymore."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2053.456,"endTime":2054.215,"body":"Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2054.215,"endTime":2056.315,"body":"Do you have a sense of why you think this is"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2056.315,"endTime":2058.835,"body":"happening, what we can learn from it, how we can better"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2058.835,"endTime":2062.795,"body":"respond, maybe a caution for leaders going into... 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They're going through a,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2084.295,"endTime":2087.215,"body":"persecution's breaking out, and they're kind of coasting. So"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2087.215,"endTime":2089.076,"body":"they're, they're, they're, they're becoming apathetic,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2089.076,"endTime":2091.876,"body":"right? And so that, the, \"a man who not work out not eat,\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2091.876,"endTime":2095.255,"body":"that's from, I think, Second Thessalonians, right? So Paul"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2095.255,"endTime":2097.655,"body":"tells them this in First Thessalonians 4-11- \"And make it"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2097.655,"endTime":2100.996,"body":"your ambition to lead a quiet life. You should mind your own"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2100.996,"endTime":2104.295,"body":"business- ... Work with your own hands, just as we told you, so"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2104.295,"endTime":2108.615,"body":"that your daily life- ... May win the respect of outsiders,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2108.615,"endTime":2111.875,"body":"and so that you will not be dependent on anyone.\" So I think"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2111.875,"endTime":2114.195,"body":"there's so much here with what, like, what is a quiet life?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2114.195,"endTime":2115.655,"body":"'Cause I think people think quiet life, and they"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2115.655,"endTime":2118.396,"body":"mean... They think, \"Be quiet.\" like, I don't think that's what"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2118.396,"endTime":2121.596,"body":"a quiet life means. But I do think it means- ... 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Versus, like, you're famous for being famous"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2164.275,"endTime":2165.255,"body":"[chuckles] , and then you carry-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2165.255,"endTime":2165.925,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2165.925,"endTime":2165.956,"body":"... Yourself-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2165.956,"endTime":2166.115,"body":"Sure"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2166.115,"endTime":2167.695,"body":"... As someone that's famous. And so, like, the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2167.695,"endTime":2169.735,"body":"world's big on, like, you're famous for being famous,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2169.735,"endTime":2172.175,"body":"especially in the last 20 years, and some of that kind of creeps"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2172.175,"endTime":2175.275,"body":"in. So, like, now we have folks that are celebrities, and I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2175.275,"endTime":2177.556,"body":"think the antidote to that is like, hey, we need to humble"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2177.556,"endTime":2180.195,"body":"ourselves. We just... And, and humility is not the whole... You"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2180.195,"endTime":2182.016,"body":"know, it's not about, it's not thinking less of yourself; it's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2182.016,"endTime":2184.925,"body":"thinking about yourself less, right? So quiet life,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2185.795,"endTime":2190.416,"body":"normalcy, rhythms, consistency in your day-to-day. Go outside."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2190.416,"endTime":2193.735,"body":"Touch grass. Be around community, right? And, like, if"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2193.735,"endTime":2196.675,"body":"someone's in a position of power and leadership, but they"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2196.675,"endTime":2198.755,"body":"don't... They're, they're always traveling. They're ne- they're,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2198.755,"endTime":2201.356,"body":"they're not at church on Sundays. They don't... They're,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2201.356,"endTime":2203.206,"body":"they're, they're, they're a star. They're a superstar. Like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2203.206,"endTime":2204.615,"body":"I get- ... To be around celebrities,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2205.155,"endTime":2207.476,"body":"and the thing about celebrities is they got crazy sleeping"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2207.476,"endTime":2209.715,"body":"patterns. They're, they're, they're, they don't stay"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2209.715,"endTime":2212.315,"body":"in the same place for more than a couple days. They're always"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2212.315,"endTime":2216.28,"body":"moving around. There's no rhythm to their days. And, like-..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2216.86,"endTime":2220.11,"body":"Y- I get it, like, you're kind of- you- a guy like Kanye, like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2220.11,"endTime":2223.55,"body":"dude, you just need to wake up in the same place for a year and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2223.55,"endTime":2227.07,"body":"do the same thing- ... For a year. And, and go deal with your"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2227.07,"endTime":2230.53,"body":"mental health. And so I think, like, when those dynamics creep"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2230.53,"endTime":2233.49,"body":"into Christian circles, we start thinking we're immune. But it's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2233.49,"endTime":2237.11,"body":"like, nah, dude, like, you can't travel 250 days a year and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2237.11,"endTime":2239.55,"body":"think you're gonna have a thriving marriage and a, and a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2239.55,"endTime":2241.971,"body":"flourishing local community of believers that are gonna keep"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2241.971,"endTime":2244.411,"body":"you accountable. Like, I d- I don't think that that's- ... How"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2244.411,"endTime":2247.871,"body":"that works, and so, like, leading a quiet life, I think is"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2247.871,"endTime":2250.452,"body":"huge, right? And, and people will say, like, \"Hey,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2250.452,"endTime":2252.65,"body":"Ruslan,\" like, \"but you're a public figure.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2252.65,"endTime":2252.891,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2252.891,"endTime":2253.371,"body":"And it's like-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2253.371,"endTime":2254.101,"body":"That's the follow-up [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2254.101,"endTime":2257.11,"body":"... Yeah, but, like, yes, and anyone that comes to my"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2257.11,"endTime":2260.03,"body":"local city and sees me at church every Sunday, unless I'm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2260.03,"endTime":2262.891,"body":"preaching at a different church, sees me as accessible, sees me"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2262.891,"endTime":2265.422,"body":"as around, sees me as present, my family's engaged."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2266.11,"endTime":2268.731,"body":"I'm very immersed in my local community, and I'm- ... And I'm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2268.731,"endTime":2271.251,"body":"submitted and accountable to people. Sometimes when you"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2271.251,"endTime":2275.03,"body":"remove that, and you're now a beetle in your little circle of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2275.03,"endTime":2276.971,"body":"whatever, and it, and it's important work that these guys"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2276.971,"endTime":2277.51,"body":"do,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2278.07,"endTime":2281.07,"body":"I think that's a recipe for disaster. I think when we get"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2281.07,"endTime":2281.541,"body":"into,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2282.59,"endTime":2285.721,"body":"daily life, right? I think of 1 Peter, right, let your,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2285.721,"endTime":2288.172,"body":"\"Live such good lives among the pagans that your daily life may"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2288.172,"endTime":2291.711,"body":"win them over,\" right? So, like, that daily life, no, like, our"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2291.711,"endTime":2296.692,"body":"lives are way better testimonies than how- ... Eloquent we are"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2296.692,"endTime":2299.471,"body":"with our speech. And if we're not impacting our neighbor,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2299.471,"endTime":2302.351,"body":"like, I mean, like, our actual neighbors, and they don't, we"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2302.351,"endTime":2304.161,"body":"don't know our neighbors, but we're out here"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2304.692,"endTime":2307.351,"body":"running around, speaking at conferences and writing books,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2307.351,"endTime":2310.331,"body":"but our neighbors don't see our lives, like, that's a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2310.331,"endTime":2313.192,"body":"problem to me. You know? And so I think, like, your daily life"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2313.192,"endTime":2314.811,"body":"may win the respect of outsiders. And then this is the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2314.811,"endTime":2316.911,"body":"last part, which is, like, so you now w- you will not be"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2316.911,"endTime":2320.03,"body":"dependent on anyone. I think, like, in a desire to build"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2320.03,"endTime":2322.831,"body":"something and outsource everything, sometimes people"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2322.831,"endTime":2325.442,"body":"don't do anything anymore because they've outsourced it."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2325.442,"endTime":2325.521,"body":"Oh, interesting."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2325.521,"endTime":2326.8,"body":"They got an assistant, they got this person,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2326.8,"endTime":2327.561,"body":"they got... And it's like-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2327.561,"endTime":2327.561,"body":"Interesting"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2327.561,"endTime":2330.211,"body":"... What do you even do anymore besides just talk,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2330.211,"endTime":2332.141,"body":"right? And, and [chuckles] and people have, like-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2332.141,"endTime":2332.461,"body":"[laughs]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2332.461,"endTime":2333.891,"body":"... You know, alleged, like, \"Oh, Ruslan's a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2333.891,"endTime":2335.311,"body":"professional yapper,\" right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2335.311,"endTime":2335.57,"body":"[laughs]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2335.57,"endTime":2339.192,"body":"It's like, you have no idea how immersed I am into-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2339.192,"endTime":2339.202,"body":"Oh"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2339.202,"endTime":2341.411,"body":"... The tech, into the lighting, into the camera"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2341.411,"endTime":2345.03,"body":"angles- ... Into the algorithm. Like, I'm a practitioner first"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2345.03,"endTime":2347.811,"body":"as a YouTuber, and I, and I... And, and because there has to be"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2347.811,"endTime":2349.51,"body":"something that you do where you're not just dependent on"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2349.51,"endTime":2351.61,"body":"outsiders. This is speaking specifically financially"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2351.61,"endTime":2354.05,"body":"dependent on outsiders, but, like, working with your own"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2354.05,"endTime":2357.271,"body":"hands. Like, do you actually do anything- ... Besides just talk"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2357.271,"endTime":2360.371,"body":"and pontificate, you know? And I think that would... If I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2360.371,"endTime":2362.351,"body":"had to break that down, I think it's those three things. It's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2362.351,"endTime":2363.63,"body":"like, no quiet life-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2363.63,"endTime":2363.641,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2363.641,"endTime":2364.481,"body":"... No daily rhythms,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2365.152,"endTime":2368.11,"body":"too out and about, and there's no, there's no... You"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2368.11,"endTime":2370.49,"body":"don't do anything anymore. You just kind of talk"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2370.49,"endTime":2371.331,"body":"professionally."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2372.17,"endTime":2373.692,"body":"That's really interesting. I could, I could"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2373.692,"endTime":2377.331,"body":"pull on each one of those. I... Growing up with a dad who still"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2377.331,"endTime":2380.452,"body":"just, you know, huge influence around the world, probably '80s"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2380.452,"endTime":2382.291,"body":"and '90s, one of the most recognizable"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2383.211,"endTime":2385.831,"body":"Christian figures. Everywhere we went- ... People would recognize"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2385.831,"endTime":2389.811,"body":"him, and that was great. That was awesome, but I saw how hard"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2389.811,"endTime":2394.53,"body":"he worked. I saw the cost- ... That when you have a platform,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2394.53,"endTime":2398.351,"body":"the criticism you take, and in some ways, it just stripped me"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2398.351,"endTime":2403.07,"body":"of the illusion of thinking that is going to make you happy."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2403.731,"endTime":2406.03,"body":"That's what drives a lot of people. If people... You know,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2406.03,"endTime":2409.03,"body":"and you talk about in your book, you mention how people often"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2409.03,"endTime":2410.311,"body":"recognize you in public."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2410.311,"endTime":2411.05,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2411.05,"endTime":2412.53,"body":"And there's a part of you that wants"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2412.53,"endTime":2417.03,"body":"recognition to feel worthwhile. That's such a human recognition."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2417.03,"endTime":2420.11,"body":"I heard James Gunn, obviously the movie creator of, like,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2420.11,"endTime":2424.03,"body":"Superman and Guardians of the Galaxy, was like, \"I just made"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2424.03,"endTime":2427.851,"body":"movies 'cause I wanted to be loved.\" Like, a powerful moment."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2427.851,"endTime":2428.751,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2428.751,"endTime":2430.63,"body":"But you also talk about challenges you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2430.63,"endTime":2432.371,"body":"mentioned earlier in this interview and in your book,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2432.371,"endTime":2433.431,"body":"growing up fatherless-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2433.431,"endTime":2433.63,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2434.192,"endTime":2436.911,"body":"... Which can create just such a deep desire,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2436.911,"endTime":2440.271,"body":"like, \"I wanna be recognized and compensate for not having that"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2440.271,"endTime":2443.831,"body":"love from a father.\" Growing up in poverty, some people think"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2443.831,"endTime":2446.971,"body":"it's just a lack of financial things, but there can be a deep"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2446.971,"endTime":2448.67,"body":"sense of shame that comes with that."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2448.67,"endTime":2449.211,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2449.211,"endTime":2452.13,"body":"Success, ambition, material goods- ..."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2452.13,"endTime":2454.57,"body":"Can cover up for that and say, \"No, I'm not that guy anymore."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2454.57,"endTime":2458.911,"body":"I'm arrived. I'm successful.\" So in light of your own experience-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2459.49,"endTime":2462.03,"body":"... What did, I wanna know how you mitigate that in your"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2462.03,"endTime":2462.49,"body":"life-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2463.09,"endTime":2466.811,"body":"... And what encouragement you would have or warning for those"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2466.811,"endTime":2471.251,"body":"who also come from a sense of brokenness, so they don't be"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2471.251,"endTime":2475.391,"body":"caught in just the negative things that come from worldly"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2475.391,"endTime":2476.731,"body":"ambition."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2476.731,"endTime":2479.09,"body":"I have a chapter on identity, and I-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2479.09,"endTime":2479.152,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2479.152,"endTime":2483.59,"body":"... And I talk about how our identity can't just be"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2483.59,"endTime":2486.931,"body":"what the world says we are, the outside in identity. And some,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2486.931,"endTime":2489.311,"body":"J. Warner Wallace kind of helped me coin some, he coined the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2489.311,"endTime":2490.152,"body":"language."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2490.152,"endTime":2490.34,"body":"He's got a great talk on that."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2490.34,"endTime":2492.731,"body":"He's, he's gave me some good language for it that I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2492.731,"endTime":2495.192,"body":"didn't put in the book, but I think it's just cleaner. So"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2495.192,"endTime":2497.331,"body":"outside in identity, like what the world says you are, the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2497.331,"endTime":2500.351,"body":"validation of the world, results that you get. Inside out"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2500.351,"endTime":2502.391,"body":"identity, which is like your subjective whims and feelings"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2502.391,"endTime":2503.192,"body":"about who you are."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2503.192,"endTime":2504.01,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2504.01,"endTime":2505.11,"body":"There has to be something else. There has to be"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2505.11,"endTime":2508.61,"body":"something transcendent, he calls a top-down identity, right? And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2508.61,"endTime":2511.711,"body":"so, like, I am not what I feel I am, and I am not what the world"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2511.711,"endTime":2515.07,"body":"says I am. I'm not my... I'm not just my experiences. I'm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2515.07,"endTime":2518.61,"body":"actually who Jesus says I am. So if my identity is anchored in"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2518.61,"endTime":2521.17,"body":"who Jesus says that I am, that means I'm not a saint... I'm not"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2521.17,"endTime":2523.17,"body":"a sinner, I'm a saint, right? That I'm the, I'm the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2523.17,"endTime":2526.11,"body":"righteousness of God, that I am loved, I am welcomed, I am"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2526.11,"endTime":2526.99,"body":"a friend,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2527.971,"endTime":2531.931,"body":"I am a disciple, I'm a follower. And so when I have a top-down"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2531.931,"endTime":2537.01,"body":"identity, then the validation isn't needed from the world, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2537.01,"endTime":2540.53,"body":"I don't need to mitigate my feelings of shame because Jesus"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2540.53,"endTime":2543.751,"body":"deals with all of that. And, and not in a, not in just, like, an"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2543.751,"endTime":2547.55,"body":"abstract sense, but, like, in a, in a tangible way- ... Of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2547.55,"endTime":2549.931,"body":"meditating on the Scripture, allowing the Scripture to change"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2549.931,"endTime":2552.952,"body":"me, understanding that, hey, it's not just about chasing"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2552.952,"endTime":2556.211,"body":"results, it's about chasing being faithful. Not being"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2556.211,"endTime":2559.251,"body":"famous, but being faithful. And so if I'm committed to being"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2559.251,"endTime":2563.751,"body":"faithful, the results will come. So the, so the warning is folks"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2563.751,"endTime":2566.09,"body":"who just wanna be famous for the sake of being famous,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2566.731,"endTime":2568.311,"body":"there are worse things"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2569.05,"endTime":2571.081,"body":"than not being successful. [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2572.192,"endTime":2575.692,"body":"Which are being successful at the cost of your soul, right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2575.692,"endTime":2577.61,"body":"Being successful at the cost of your faith, being successful at"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2577.61,"endTime":2580.411,"body":"the cost of your marriage. And if folks are just pursuing"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2580.411,"endTime":2584.411,"body":"platform and status and fame- ... 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Being a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2604.791,"endTime":2608.632,"body":"husband is way more fulfilling than speaking on stages. And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2608.632,"endTime":2611.092,"body":"that I think has to remain, like, the... My"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2611.092,"endTime":2614.052,"body":"first ministry is my home. That's, at the end of the day,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2614.052,"endTime":2618.362,"body":"is what I'm... You know, hey, Bible verses during dinner,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2618.362,"endTime":2622.072,"body":"rose and thorn, traditions, trying to be immersed in that."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2622.072,"endTime":2625.012,"body":"And, like, if we're just pursuing platform and status,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2625.012,"endTime":2628.411,"body":"man, that- it usually will come at the, at the cost of that. And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2628.411,"endTime":2631.751,"body":"so that's kind of how I think about it- ... Is, like, man,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2631.751,"endTime":2636.251,"body":"it's, it's, it's, n- it's not at all it's cracked up to be, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2636.251,"endTime":2639.692,"body":"it- and there's a weight and a, and a heaviness that comes with"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2639.692,"endTime":2641.452,"body":"it. And,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2642.431,"endTime":2644.311,"body":"that's probably the way it should be. Like, you should feel"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2644.311,"endTime":2647.572,"body":"like this is something that, you shouldn't, you shouldn't dabble"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2647.572,"endTime":2649.831,"body":"with, and it, you... You know, I know folks that become"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2649.831,"endTime":2651.992,"body":"famous really quick accidentally."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2652.791,"endTime":2655.112,"body":"[exhales] It's, it's, it's a weight that they carry. And I'm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2655.112,"endTime":2657.411,"body":"just, I'm grateful that, like, God didn't really breathe on"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2657.411,"endTime":2661.032,"body":"what I was doing until I was 35, 36 years old- ... You know, in"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2661.032,"endTime":2665.271,"body":"terms of, like, status, influence, access to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2665.271,"endTime":2668.652,"body":"money. That stuff didn't come until later. I'm, you know, 12"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2668.652,"endTime":2671.231,"body":"years married at that point, like I'm 17 years married now,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2671.791,"endTime":2674.391,"body":"and, I'm grateful. Like, I'm grateful- ... That it was a very"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2674.391,"endTime":2679.672,"body":"slow rise. And even now, like, yeah, just there's just so"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2679.672,"endTime":2681.731,"body":"much- there's other things that come with it that people don't"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2681.731,"endTime":2682.481,"body":"factor in."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2683.331,"endTime":2685.632,"body":"I totally agree with that, by the way. So your"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2685.632,"endTime":2689.152,"body":"book, Godly Ambition, you sent me an early copy, endorsed it,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2689.152,"endTime":2691.672,"body":"loved it. Around the same time-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2691.672,"endTime":2691.811,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2692.411,"endTime":2694.791,"body":"... The book The Cost of Ambition-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2694.791,"endTime":2694.911,"body":"Uh-huh"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2694.911,"endTime":2696.811,"body":"... Comes out. I'm sure you've seen this."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2696.811,"endTime":2700.532,"body":"Miroslav Volf, a friend of Biola, did a class with him,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2700.532,"endTime":2703.092,"body":"fantastic Yale theologian, probably one of the leading"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2703.092,"endTime":2704.552,"body":"public theologians-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2704.552,"endTime":2705.152,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2705.152,"endTime":2707.251,"body":"... Of our day. I thought, how interesting."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2707.251,"endTime":2708.512,"body":"[laughing] You know, here's me-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2708.512,"endTime":2710.552,"body":"Maybe me and him could get together and, uh-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2710.552,"endTime":2710.632,"body":"That would-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2710.632,"endTime":2711.371,"body":"... Hash it out. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2711.371,"endTime":2713.871,"body":"That would be a great conversation. But really,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2713.871,"endTime":2715.771,"body":"it... You don't so much differ."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2715.771,"endTime":2716.351,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2716.351,"endTime":2717.992,"body":"What you're saying, as I understand it,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2717.992,"endTime":2721.711,"body":"like, ambition is something from God. Here's ways to use it"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2721.711,"endTime":2723.331,"body":"wisely and steward the gifts."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2723.331,"endTime":2723.851,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2723.851,"endTime":2725.472,"body":"He's not saying ambition is bad."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2725.472,"endTime":2725.851,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2725.851,"endTime":2728.211,"body":"He's saying it's really when we have an ambition,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2728.211,"endTime":2731.721,"body":"and we strive to be superior to other people-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2731.721,"endTime":2732.092,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2732.092,"endTime":2733.592,"body":"... As opposed to excellence."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2734.331,"endTime":2737.152,"body":"But you're coming at it in the sense of, here's how we use"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2737.152,"endTime":2737.771,"body":"ambition."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2737.771,"endTime":2737.78,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2737.78,"endTime":2741.032,"body":"He's like, \"I have seen it abused\"- ... \"time"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2741.032,"endTime":2741.391,"body":"out.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2741.391,"endTime":2741.972,"body":"Mm-hmm, mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2741.972,"endTime":2743.711,"body":"So I don't think it's opposite, it's different"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2743.711,"endTime":2746.112,"body":"concerns. And he's like... One of the things he said in his"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2746.112,"endTime":2749.481,"body":"book, he's like, \"We see ambition literally everywhere-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2749.481,"endTime":2751.192,"body":"... If you just open your eyes up.\" He's like, \"I'm walking"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2751.192,"endTime":2753.641,"body":"through the airport, and that guy's walking faster than I am.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2753.641,"endTime":2756.672,"body":"\"That guy has better shoes.\" [laughing] Like, we just... It's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2756.672,"endTime":2757.661,"body":"literally everywhere-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2757.661,"endTime":2757.672,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2757.672,"endTime":2758.351,"body":"... In the church."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2758.351,"endTime":2758.461,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2759.052,"endTime":2762.032,"body":"And so given our sinful natures, our own"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2762.032,"endTime":2762.952,"body":"insecurities-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2762.952,"endTime":2763.851,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2763.851,"endTime":2765.711,"body":"... And the amount of failures we've seen of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2765.711,"endTime":2767.422,"body":"people trying to be ambitious-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2767.422,"endTime":2767.431,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2767.431,"endTime":2768.552,"body":"... And it affects them-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2768.552,"endTime":2769.092,"body":"Uh-huh"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2769.092,"endTime":2771.661,"body":"... Why not just live quiet lives-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2771.661,"endTime":2771.661,"body":"Uh-huh"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2771.661,"endTime":2774.172,"body":"... In the sense of not playing by the playbook"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2774.172,"endTime":2777.092,"body":"of the world and saying, \"I'm just gonna love my neighbor, be"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2777.092,"endTime":2781.391,"body":"good at work, and not even step into this when it can cause so"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2781.391,"endTime":2783.911,"body":"much damage\"?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2783.911,"endTime":2786.351,"body":"I, because I think Jesus is calling us to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2786.351,"endTime":2786.721,"body":"more."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2787.492,"endTime":2790.331,"body":"And I don't mean more materialism and more stuff. I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2790.331,"endTime":2792.952,"body":"don't think that's what it is. I think Jesus is calling us"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2792.952,"endTime":2796.032,"body":"more with faithfulness, with stewardship, with management. I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2796.032,"endTime":2799.032,"body":"think Jesus is calling us more with impact. I think Jesus is"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2799.032,"endTime":2805.192,"body":"calling w- calling us more to virtue. And if the pursuit is"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2805.192,"endTime":2807.952,"body":"like, \"I'm just gonna coast, I'm just gonna throw it in cruise"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2807.952,"endTime":2811.052,"body":"control,\" or worse, \"I'm gonna punt it. I'm gonna punt"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2811.052,"endTime":2812.911,"body":"it, 'cause the world's going to hell in a handbasket, and I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2812.911,"endTime":2816.711,"body":"can't wait for Jesus to return next Thursday,\" w- how are we"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2816.711,"endTime":2820.771,"body":"salt, and how are we light, and how are we ushering in God's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2820.771,"endTime":2823.681,"body":"ways- ... And God's, God's beauty on this side of eternity?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2823.681,"endTime":2828.811,"body":"And so I think there's a reorienting of ambition away"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2828.811,"endTime":2831.231,"body":"from a worldly standpoint that I'm trying to do, right? So"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2832.271,"endTime":2834.472,"body":"there's two different words for ambition in the Greek. One of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2834.472,"endTime":2837.331,"body":"them is the erithia ambition, the selfish, the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2837.331,"endTime":2840.771,"body":"clobbering, the probably what we would acknowledge as in our"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2840.771,"endTime":2843.211,"body":"society and in our culture, right? Like, a, \"I'm sizing"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2843.211,"endTime":2844.731,"body":"people up. I'm gonna...\" Right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2844.731,"endTime":2845.021,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2845.021,"endTime":2847.061,"body":"Like, superiority complex. The Scripture"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2847.061,"endTime":2849.711,"body":"absolutely forbids that. That's when we see selfish ambition,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2849.711,"endTime":2852.391,"body":"it's usually referring to that. But the ambition that 1"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2852.391,"endTime":2854.681,"body":"Thessalonians talks about, the ambition that Paul writes about,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2854.681,"endTime":2857.692,"body":"where he says, \"I make it my ambition to preach the gospel"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2857.692,"endTime":2861.431,"body":"where others haven't. I make it my ambition to please God,\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2861.431,"endTime":2863.862,"body":"right? So, so it's interesting, that's a different word. I'm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2863.862,"endTime":2868.251,"body":"gonna butcher the Greek. It's philio, philiomonte, I think,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2868.251,"endTime":2870.211,"body":"and when I was talking to Wes Huff, he broke down the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2870.211,"endTime":2871.262,"body":"etymology of it and said that-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2871.262,"endTime":2871.882,"body":"I'm sure he did, [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2871.882,"endTime":2874.711,"body":"... There's a, the philio is like a, like"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2874.711,"endTime":2876.711,"body":"Philadelphia, like the brotherly-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2876.711,"endTime":2877.512,"body":"The love, yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2877.512,"endTime":2879.572,"body":"... The, like, it's, it's an ambition out"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2879.572,"endTime":2879.851,"body":"of-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2879.851,"endTime":2879.862,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2879.862,"endTime":2881.012,"body":"... The love for people-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2881.012,"endTime":2881.291,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2881.291,"endTime":2883.831,"body":"... Out of an aspiration to serve people."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2884.371,"endTime":2888.112,"body":"And we see that exhibited in Luke, where, at the Last Supper,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2888.112,"endTime":2891.072,"body":"Jesus washes their feet. 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[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2903.541,"endTime":2903.902,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2903.902,"endTime":2905.592,"body":"And this isn't the first time they've had this"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2905.592,"endTime":2907.592,"body":"argument. They've had this argument multiple times-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2907.592,"endTime":2907.601,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2907.601,"endTime":2909.032,"body":"... About who's gonna be the greatest. They're"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2909.032,"endTime":2912.231,"body":"still expecting a political Messiah. Right? And in Luke 22,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2912.231,"endTime":2915.572,"body":"Jesus does something really interesting. He doesn't rebuke"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2915.572,"endTime":2918.552,"body":"their desire for greatness. He doesn't, which he could have"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2918.552,"endTime":2921.331,"body":"done. He rebuked Peter, right? But he doesn't rebuke their"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2921.331,"endTime":2924.891,"body":"desire for greatness. He had no problem rebuking people. He"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2924.891,"endTime":2926.992,"body":"doesn't reject it. He doesn't say, \"You"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2927.532,"endTime":2929.972,"body":"dumb people, you're doing... What are you doing?\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2929.972,"endTime":2934.931,"body":"Right? 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It's stewardship-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2954.726,"endTime":2958.235,"body":"-and it's sanctification. 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And that's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2973.985,"endTime":2975.885,"body":"controversial, 'cause w- us Protestants, we're like, \"Oh-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2975.885,"endTime":2975.885,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2975.885,"endTime":2978.036,"body":"... Don't talk about works! I don't wanna hear"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2978.036,"endTime":2979.076,"body":"about... Where's work salvation?\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2979.076,"endTime":2980.896,"body":"Well, the Protestant work ethic, let's go,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2980.896,"endTime":2981.266,"body":"man."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2981.266,"endTime":2983.036,"body":"Yeah, a Pr- hello, Protestant work ethic, right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2983.036,"endTime":2983.376,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2983.376,"endTime":2985.005,"body":"And so yeah, I th- I think that's why."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":2985.005,"endTime":2985.014,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2985.014,"endTime":2986.876,"body":"Like, I think, I think we have some work to do"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2986.876,"endTime":2992.096,"body":"here now, and that is a good thing, and that the, we"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":2992.096,"endTime":2996.556,"body":"don't, we don't work for grace, we work from grace. 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Than a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3018.356,"endTime":3021.755,"body":"non-believer and has denied the faith.\" That's one of the most"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3021.755,"endTime":3023.405,"body":"horrifying s- passages in Scripture."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3023.405,"endTime":3024.396,"body":"That's pretty scary, [laughing] actually."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3024.396,"endTime":3026.876,"body":"If you, if you, if you're a young man, and it's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3026.876,"endTime":3028.635,"body":"like, \"Hey, man, you c- you can't provide for your fa-\" And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3028.635,"endTime":3030.556,"body":"w- so and what was that in context, though? That wasn't"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3030.556,"endTime":3033.896,"body":"just in context of like, \"Hey, like, me and my wife both work,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3033.896,"endTime":3036.675,"body":"and we ship our kids off to public school,\" and right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3036.675,"endTime":3036.695,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3036.695,"endTime":3038.476,"body":"Like, no, that's about widows."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3039.036,"endTime":3040.735,"body":"So he's talking about taking care of the widows in the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3040.735,"endTime":3044.335,"body":"church- ... Who the, who can't remarry. And if they have"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3044.335,"endTime":3047.755,"body":"family, like, you need to take care of your old"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3047.755,"endTime":3050.856,"body":"folks. Like, you need to care for the folks around you and not"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3050.856,"endTime":3053.815,"body":"ship them off to homes like we are so prone to do, right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3053.815,"endTime":3058.096,"body":"Multi-generational living. And so if we are, if we're not"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3058.096,"endTime":3060.556,"body":"extracting that... And then it says specifically your immediate"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3060.556,"endTime":3064.835,"body":"family, right? So if there's no godly ambition, explain to me"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3064.835,"endTime":3067.315,"body":"how we take care of our extended family"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3068.076,"endTime":3071.755,"body":"and our immediate family. Explain to me how, in a time"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3071.755,"endTime":3075.556,"body":"where the wealth disparity is just increasing, the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3075.556,"endTime":3079.275,"body":"housing market is crazy, it's very difficult for people-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3079.275,"endTime":3079.755,"body":"It is."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3079.755,"endTime":3081.576,"body":"How... And I'm not saying everyone is gonna be"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3081.576,"endTime":3085.215,"body":"successful and name it, claim it, blab it, grab it. But if"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3085.215,"endTime":3088.496,"body":"we're not helping and equipping young men to say- ... \"Hey, I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3088.496,"endTime":3091.376,"body":"gotta, I- like, I'm a provider, and I'm gonna figure this thing"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3091.376,"endTime":3093.896,"body":"out, and I'm gonna put my head down,\" if we're not equipping"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3093.896,"endTime":3096.755,"body":"people to do that, it- they're gonna- ... Have a rude awakening"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3096.755,"endTime":3100.335,"body":"when they're 28, 29, 30, and they have a kid. And, and their"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3100.335,"endTime":3103.615,"body":"wives, which by the way, the vast majority of women prefer to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3103.615,"endTime":3107.115,"body":"stay home. Not Christian women, not conservative women. Women"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3107.115,"endTime":3110.195,"body":"with kids prefer to stay home, at least for a season. This is"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3110.195,"endTime":3111.856,"body":"Forbes Magazine. This is,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3112.416,"endTime":3114.166,"body":"multiple studies done on this, secular studies."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3115.056,"endTime":3116.835,"body":"What do you- what is gonna happen to these folks when"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3116.835,"endTime":3119.416,"body":"they're 30 and they didn't develop any useful skills?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3119.416,"endTime":3119.695,"body":"Oh, I hear ya."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3119.695,"endTime":3120.916,"body":"And they didn't get educated-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3120.916,"endTime":3121.146,"body":"I hear ya."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3121.146,"endTime":3122.755,"body":"... And they're, and they're not an asset, they're a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3122.755,"endTime":3125.235,"body":"liability to their employer? Like, so that's what I mean."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3125.235,"endTime":3128.876,"body":"Like, so it's like, I think, respectfully, I think some of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3128.876,"endTime":3129.036,"body":"this"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3129.835,"endTime":3132.936,"body":"\"don't be ambitious\" comes from a very privileged standpoint. I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3132.936,"endTime":3135.315,"body":"think some of this, like, \"You need to learn to Sabbath"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3135.315,"endTime":3138.635,"body":"better\"- ... Easy for you to say, Mr. 45-year-old"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3138.635,"endTime":3142.476,"body":"multimillionaire. Uh-huh. Yeah, so I al- I get irritated"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3142.476,"endTime":3143.215,"body":"when people are like-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3143.996,"endTime":3147.835,"body":"... \"I've, I've made it, but, like, we lose down here. I have"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3147.835,"endTime":3151.036,"body":"a $10, $15 million net worth. We lose down here,\" you know? And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3151.036,"endTime":3153.215,"body":"it's like, dude, that's not what young men need to hear. Like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3153.215,"endTime":3156.056,"body":"young men, young men need to be told that, like, because Jesus"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3156.056,"endTime":3159.016,"body":"loves them and just transformed them, that they can become the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3159.016,"endTime":3162.655,"body":"type of person- ... That can impact society, culture, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3162.655,"endTime":3164.695,"body":"lead a family well."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3164.695,"endTime":3166.806,"body":"And I think this generation, especially of boys"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3167.416,"endTime":3170.615,"body":"and young men, are eager for that message. \"You can make a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3170.615,"endTime":3171.865,"body":"difference. You have worth.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3171.865,"endTime":3171.865,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3171.865,"endTime":3172.436,"body":"\"Go for it.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3172.436,"endTime":3172.445,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3172.445,"endTime":3174.135,"body":"And I think that's partly why your channel"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3174.135,"endTime":3176.775,"body":"resonates, and I think why your book will. By the way, Volf is"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3176.775,"endTime":3178.045,"body":"not saying don't be ambitious."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3178.045,"endTime":3178.056,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3178.056,"endTime":3179.606,"body":"He's very ambitious. He's just saying"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3179.606,"endTime":3181.295,"body":"there's warnings that come along with it."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3181.295,"endTime":3181.306,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3181.306,"endTime":3182.675,"body":"And you talk about those in your book, too."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3182.675,"endTime":3184.295,"body":"Let me, let me just, 'cause you, 'cause you're right"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3184.295,"endTime":3184.445,"body":"on."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3184.445,"endTime":3184.456,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3184.456,"endTime":3186.715,"body":"But let me just poke on something real quick."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3186.715,"endTime":3187.135,"body":"Do it."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3187.135,"endTime":3188.896,"body":"The... What inspired this book, and I'll tell you who"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3188.896,"endTime":3191.556,"body":"this is offline, and c- people can piece it together. Several"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3191.556,"endTime":3194.275,"body":"years ago, I saw a viral video clip on Facebook"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3195.135,"endTime":3196.315,"body":"that was titled All"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3196.996,"endTime":3198.976,"body":"Ambition is Evil."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3198.976,"endTime":3200.076,"body":"Wow!"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3200.076,"endTime":3202.655,"body":"The person is reading the text that says,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3202.655,"endTime":3204.815,"body":"\"Selfish ambition.\" He keeps skipping the word selfish-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3205.775,"endTime":3210.635,"body":"... Goes on to call ambition demonic, while ironically"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3210.635,"endTime":3212.556,"body":"standing on a well-lit stage"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3213.255,"endTime":3214.976,"body":"in a beautifully assembled-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3214.976,"endTime":3215.885,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3215.885,"endTime":3217.976,"body":"... Outfit, with amazing camera angles and a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3217.976,"endTime":3219.596,"body":"social media team-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3219.596,"endTime":3219.695,"body":"Wow"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3219.695,"endTime":3221.516,"body":"... That clipped this together to make it, to,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3221.516,"endTime":3223.036,"body":"to, knowing this would go viral."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3223.036,"endTime":3224.476,"body":"To make it..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3224.476,"endTime":3225.436,"body":"How dare you?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3225.436,"endTime":3225.556,"body":"That's ridiculous."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3225.556,"endTime":3227.166,"body":"Like, how dare you tell that to people"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3227.976,"endTime":3231.956,"body":"while exhibiting ambition? Like, the irony of something like"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3231.956,"endTime":3234.775,"body":"that. So I'm not speaking about your friend, but I do"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3234.775,"endTime":3237.516,"body":"think that there are people that have called ambition demon- the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3237.516,"endTime":3240.356,"body":"world calls it god, and the world says, \"Go after it,\" and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3240.356,"endTime":3242.516,"body":"then the church goes, \"It's demonic, and it's satanic, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3242.516,"endTime":3244.876,"body":"it's evil.\" And it's like, man, that, there's a better"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3244.876,"endTime":3246.496,"body":"way forward. There's a third option that's better."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3246.496,"endTime":3248.016,"body":"Totally fair. That's not his point. Here's an"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3248.016,"endTime":3249.635,"body":"example of one thing that he draws out-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3249.635,"endTime":3250.056,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3250.056,"endTime":3253.536,"body":"... Is that he says, his concern with ungodly"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3253.536,"endTime":3254.195,"body":"ambition-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3254.195,"endTime":3254.206,"body":"Mm-hmm, mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3254.206,"endTime":3254.976,"body":"... Not godly ambition-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3254.976,"endTime":3255.076,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3255.735,"endTime":3258.076,"body":"... Is that it can c- it can naturally"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3258.076,"endTime":3260.335,"body":"build, in a sense, where we see people"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3260.956,"endTime":3265.655,"body":"as pegs to our achievement and possession and success,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3266.456,"endTime":3270.076,"body":"rather than image-bearers. And I see this. Sometimes the way"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3270.076,"endTime":3273.275,"body":"people treat me, I'm like, \"Oh, I see the- ... Angle that's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3273.275,"endTime":3276.155,"body":"going on here,\" because maybe I have a platform or whatever I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3276.155,"endTime":3279.976,"body":"do. I'm sure you see that with you as well. And honestly, I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3279.976,"endTime":3282.635,"body":"catch myself sometimes, I'm like, \"Man, am I treating that"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3282.635,"endTime":3287.815,"body":"person differently because I can get something from them, rather"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3287.815,"endTime":3291.416,"body":"than somebody, made in the image of God, I can't get anything"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3291.416,"endTime":3293.916,"body":"from?\" And my parents often told me, you know, their dating"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3293.916,"endTime":3297.396,"body":"advice was, like, \"Watch how somebody treats somebody- ..."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3297.396,"endTime":3302.076,"body":"Who you can get nothing from. That tells you their character.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3302.076,"endTime":3302.916,"body":"That's good."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3302.916,"endTime":3305.335,"body":"And so partly what he's saying is this sense"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3305.335,"endTime":3306.476,"body":"of striving-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3306.476,"endTime":3306.556,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3307.076,"endTime":3311.456,"body":"... Can lead us to dehumanize people and use"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3311.456,"endTime":3316.235,"body":"them, rather than value them. So what safeguards can we put in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3316.235,"endTime":3318.096,"body":"place when it's like, \"I wanna succeed-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3318.096,"endTime":3318.385,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3318.385,"endTime":3320.255,"body":"... I wanna make a difference, I wanna have godly"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3320.255,"endTime":3320.815,"body":"ambition\"-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3320.815,"endTime":3321.539,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3321.539,"endTime":3322.659,"body":"... But I don't wanna use people-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3322.659,"endTime":3322.679,"body":"That's good."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3322.679,"endTime":3323.739,"body":"I wanna love people."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3323.739,"endTime":3324.76,"body":"Yeah, I think, one,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3325.659,"endTime":3327.88,"body":"there's- I have a chapter in there on prayer, 'cause I think"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3327.88,"endTime":3328.46,"body":"prayer is-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3328.46,"endTime":3328.76,"body":"Okay"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3328.76,"endTime":3330.94,"body":"... Is essential to all of this, right? A"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3330.94,"endTime":3334.28,"body":"consistent rhythm of prayer, and not just prayer for your own"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3334.28,"endTime":3337.82,"body":"dreams and goals. Like, I start prayer off with praise,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3337.82,"endTime":3339.86,"body":"and then- ... I pray for other people before I ever pray for"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3339.86,"endTime":3343.079,"body":"myself. So I'm constantly thinking about other people. I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3343.079,"endTime":3347.059,"body":"think in a healthy local church community where you are"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3347.059,"endTime":3348.659,"body":"positioning yourself to serve"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3349.719,"endTime":3352.199,"body":"and not just contribute... Excuse me, serve and not just"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3352.199,"endTime":3353.219,"body":"consume, but contribute,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3354.019,"endTime":3358.32,"body":"that forces you to walk through the process of, like, \"I'm not"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3358.32,"endTime":3360.559,"body":"the center of the universe,\" kill the main character"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3360.559,"endTime":3364.32,"body":"syndrome. Let me consume myself with serving other people. So I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3364.32,"endTime":3366.599,"body":"think that that's a way to do it. And then ultimately, like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3366.599,"endTime":3371.55,"body":"when I'm meeting people, I'm genuinely asking myself,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3371.55,"endTime":3376.239,"body":"\"How can I help this person? How can I serve this person? What"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3376.239,"endTime":3379.369,"body":"do, what do they actually want? What are they after,\" right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3379.369,"endTime":3382.32,"body":"\"And, and what can I do to be a blessing to them,\" right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3382.32,"endTime":3384.239,"body":"And sometimes it's like, \"Nothing. I got nothing for"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3384.239,"endTime":3386.46,"body":"you.\" Other times, it's like, \"What do you want? Oh, you"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3386.46,"endTime":3388.46,"body":"know, you wanna come on my podcast? Okay, you might come on"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3388.46,"endTime":3390.84,"body":"my podcast, and it may not- it's not gonna do what you think it's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3390.84,"endTime":3391.28,"body":"gonna do.\""},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3391.28,"endTime":3391.579,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3391.579,"endTime":3391.9,"body":"Right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3391.9,"endTime":3392.34,"body":"That's true."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3392.34,"endTime":3393.099,"body":"Right? It's like-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3393.099,"endTime":3395.34,"body":"Oh, no, this podcast will do what you think"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3395.34,"endTime":3395.639,"body":"it will-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3395.639,"endTime":3395.65,"body":"Yeah, [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3395.65,"endTime":3396.559,"body":"... Just for the record."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3396.559,"endTime":3397.03,"body":"No, but I mean-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3397.03,"endTime":3397.26,"body":"Prepare yourself. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3397.26,"endTime":3398.48,"body":"I mean, I mean, think of, think of how often..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3398.48,"endTime":3400.199,"body":"I'm sure this happens to you, is, like, people are like, \"Hey,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3400.199,"endTime":3402.179,"body":"like, if I could just end up on your thing-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3402.179,"endTime":3402.369,"body":"Sure"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3402.369,"endTime":3403.699,"body":"... Then my thing will po-\" And it's like, that's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3403.699,"endTime":3404.75,"body":"not how any of this works."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3404.75,"endTime":3405.42,"body":"It doesn't work that way."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3405.42,"endTime":3406.09,"body":"You know?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3406.09,"endTime":3406.099,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3406.099,"endTime":3408.0,"body":"And so I'm... But I'm always trying to consider,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3408.0,"endTime":3411.679,"body":"like, what do people want, and can I help, you know? And, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3411.679,"endTime":3415.8,"body":"the 99.9% of people that I meet, man, they just, they just want"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3415.8,"endTime":3418.38,"body":"some affirmation, encouragement. They might have a question or"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3418.38,"endTime":3420.03,"body":"two. They need some prayer. I was leaving-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3420.03,"endTime":3420.03,"body":"Sure"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3420.03,"endTime":3422.719,"body":"... The Apple Store yesterday. A guy walks up to me,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3422.719,"endTime":3425.539,"body":"tears in his eyes. \"Hey, man, like, I'm going through a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3425.539,"endTime":3428.619,"body":"breakup. Your content has blessed me.\" you know, and he,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3428.619,"endTime":3429.32,"body":"and he's- he can't even-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3429.32,"endTime":3429.789,"body":"Praise the Lord, man"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3429.789,"endTime":3431.4,"body":"... Can't even speak. And, like, in that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3431.4,"endTime":3432.099,"body":"moment,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3433.38,"endTime":3436.079,"body":"he just needs... He just needed prayer. He needed prayer, he"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3436.079,"endTime":3438.86,"body":"needed encouragement. I invited him to our free live event that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3438.86,"endTime":3440.84,"body":"we're doing during the book launch at my church. \"What"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3440.84,"endTime":3443.44,"body":"church are you in? Who are you connected to? How's it going?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3443.44,"endTime":3445.619,"body":"How do you like working here?\" And so I think"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3446.179,"endTime":3449.44,"body":"letting, like, really serving people, I think, is a great way"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3449.44,"endTime":3452.38,"body":"to anchor. And that, and that requires- ... Us to ask"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3452.38,"endTime":3454.86,"body":"questions. 'Cause sometimes people don't know how to ask"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3454.86,"endTime":3458.34,"body":"questions. It's like, you just, again, main character syndrome."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3458.34,"endTime":3460.599,"body":"But stopping and slowing down and asking questions. So those"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3460.599,"endTime":3463.309,"body":"are, I think, a few of the safeguards that, like, hey, it-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3463.309,"endTime":3466.46,"body":"... Anchor your life in prayer, plug into a local church, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3466.46,"endTime":3469.71,"body":"serve. Don't just be a contri- a consumer, be a contributor. And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3469.71,"endTime":3472.639,"body":"then I think, like, when you meet people, figure out what,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3472.639,"endTime":3475.36,"body":"what do they need and what do they want, and can you help them"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3475.36,"endTime":3477.38,"body":"do the thing? We can't help everybody. We're not gonna"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3477.38,"endTime":3480.599,"body":"change everybody's lives, but we can do little things that can"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3481.139,"endTime":3482.34,"body":"radically move"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3483.239,"endTime":3485.679,"body":"someone's day. Like, someone's day can be impacted, 'cause they"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3485.679,"endTime":3487.98,"body":"had an interaction with you know?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3487.98,"endTime":3489.46,"body":"You know, teaching high school for me for"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3489.46,"endTime":3493.119,"body":"years, I'd like to think, helped built some of this in, because I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3493.119,"endTime":3495.3,"body":"was a youth pastor before, and I showed up in high school"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3495.3,"endTime":3497.28,"body":"teaching Bible, and I thought, \"These kids are gonna love me."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3497.28,"endTime":3500.48,"body":"I'm young, I'm dynamic.\" And it's like, \"We don't care who"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3500.48,"endTime":3501.079,"body":"you are.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3501.079,"endTime":3501.09,"body":"Mm-hmm, mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3501.09,"endTime":3503.579,"body":"\"We don't give a rip about that stuff. Is your"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3503.579,"endTime":3506.38,"body":"class interesting and relevant?\" I had a kid go, \"What do I have"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3506.38,"endTime":3508.639,"body":"to do to get a C-minus in your class?\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3508.639,"endTime":3509.0,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3509.0,"endTime":3509.48,"body":"Which is like-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3509.48,"endTime":3510.579,"body":"Wrong question. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3510.579,"endTime":3512.42,"body":"I know, but, like... And then he came back"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3512.42,"endTime":3514.659,"body":"later and wa- you know, we had a great conversation."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3514.659,"endTime":3514.679,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3514.679,"endTime":3517.94,"body":"But it's just... I wanna emphasize for"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3517.94,"endTime":3520.46,"body":"people watching, that just doing things in life where people"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3520.46,"endTime":3524.579,"body":"don't know or care who you are- ... You're just reminded. So"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3524.579,"endTime":3526.42,"body":"you're not just talking about issues-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3526.42,"endTime":3526.86,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3526.86,"endTime":3527.9,"body":"... But doing it."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3527.9,"endTime":3528.539,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3528.539,"endTime":3529.699,"body":"Like, when I was teaching in high school, it was"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3529.699,"endTime":3532.26,"body":"really interesting. I'd show up, and I'd do a retreat at a place."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3533.0,"endTime":3536.059,"body":"But then when I'm at a Christian school, and I'd see people show"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3536.059,"endTime":3539.44,"body":"up and give a retreat, and then hear the students process it, I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3539.44,"endTime":3543.5,"body":"was like, \"Oh- ... This is very different.\" \"I'm getting kind of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3543.5,"endTime":3545.42,"body":"an inside scoop here.\" So"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3546.019,"endTime":3550.019,"body":"one of my big encouragements to people who wanna be influencers,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3550.019,"endTime":3552.76,"body":"you know, whatever that means, and why, is like- Why do you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3552.76,"endTime":3553.44,"body":"wanna do it?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3553.44,"endTime":3554.019,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3554.019,"endTime":3556.539,"body":"How are we gonna use your platform? And are you"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3556.539,"endTime":3561.0,"body":"just doing things outside of this, where people don't know or"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3561.0,"endTime":3562.659,"body":"care who you are?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3562.659,"endTime":3563.26,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3563.26,"endTime":3565.239,"body":"Hopefully, that's gonna build in some,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3565.86,"endTime":3567.38,"body":"some accountability that's there."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3567.38,"endTime":3567.9,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3567.9,"endTime":3569.519,"body":"So a question [chuckles] I also want to ask"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3569.519,"endTime":3572.82,"body":"you, people ask me this all the time, and I've got my"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3572.82,"endTime":3576.4,"body":"answer for it, but how do you get so much done, Ruslan? Like,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3576.4,"endTime":3578.4,"body":"what's your secret, man? [laughing] You're pumping out, I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3578.4,"endTime":3581.219,"body":"don't know, four videos a week. You're working out. You're doing"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3581.219,"endTime":3584.44,"body":"all this stuff. I'm like, \"Dude, how is he so...\" I don't even"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3584.44,"endTime":3587.179,"body":"know the word to use, but, like, just so efficient and knocking"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3587.179,"endTime":3589.9,"body":"out so much stuff?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3589.9,"endTime":3590.039,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3590.82,"endTime":3592.32,"body":"would like to think that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3592.88,"endTime":3596.119,"body":"it's the systems that we build in our day-to-day lives, in"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3596.119,"endTime":3599.94,"body":"our day-to-day rhythms. My... I attempt to break my"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3599.94,"endTime":3603.679,"body":"weeks and my days down into non-negotiables. And so weekly"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3603.679,"endTime":3606.03,"body":"non-negotiable is, like, \"Hey, I'm, I'm going to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3606.699,"endTime":3611.42,"body":"go to church,\" non-negotiable. Man, the Catholics and the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3611.42,"endTime":3614.46,"body":"Orthodox sometimes get it right, where isn't it like a... It's,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3614.46,"endTime":3616.53,"body":"like, a serious sin if you miss church without good reason."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3616.53,"endTime":3616.539,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3616.539,"endTime":3617.8,"body":"What is the, what is the word, right? I can't think"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3617.8,"endTime":3618.34,"body":"of the word."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3619.079,"endTime":3621.389,"body":"But yeah, non-negotiable, like- ... Church is non-negotiable."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3622.38,"endTime":3626.0,"body":"I get to be in a group of young men, not young men, we're"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3626.0,"endTime":3627.679,"body":"not young anymore, men our age."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3627.679,"endTime":3628.619,"body":"Y- how old are you?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3628.619,"endTime":3629.38,"body":"I'm 40 now."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3629.38,"endTime":3630.369,"body":"You're a young man. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3630.369,"endTime":3630.46,"body":"Yeah. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3630.46,"endTime":3632.5,"body":"I'm 49. I'm turning 50-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3632.5,"endTime":3633.05,"body":"Wow, you-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3633.05,"endTime":3634.05,"body":"... In 2026, man"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3634.05,"endTime":3634.96,"body":"I was just talking to Alan Parr, and he told me"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3634.96,"endTime":3635.639,"body":"he's turning 50."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3635.639,"endTime":3635.65,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3635.65,"endTime":3637.3,"body":"Man, you guys look great for 50."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3638.059,"endTime":3640.559,"body":"So, like, access to community,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3642.32,"endTime":3644.539,"body":"I think helps a ton, and so those non-negotiables. So daily"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3644.539,"endTime":3647.26,"body":"non-ne- I just break my day down in daily non-negotiables, right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3647.26,"endTime":3650.199,"body":"So James Clear has a quote. He says, \"You don't rise to the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3650.199,"endTime":3652.909,"body":"level of your goals. You fall to the level of your systems.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3653.48,"endTime":3655.44,"body":"If you don't have... If you could have all the goals in the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3655.44,"endTime":3658.539,"body":"world, you can... I wanna- but if you don't have those daily"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3658.539,"endTime":3659.099,"body":"systems-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3659.63,"endTime":3664.53,"body":"... Then it all falls apart. And so for me, I spend less time"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3664.53,"endTime":3668.639,"body":"trying to have goals. Like, I don't have 1 million subscribers"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3668.639,"endTime":3671.44,"body":"by this month, or I wanna make this m- I don't have those sorts"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3671.44,"endTime":3675.559,"body":"of goals. I say, \"Hey, I'm gonna do the inputs consistently"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3675.559,"endTime":3679.76,"body":"enough that would get me in the ballpark of set goals,\" but God"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3679.76,"endTime":3682.119,"body":"has to ultimately breathe on those things. God has to make"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3682.119,"endTime":3682.869,"body":"those things happen."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3682.869,"endTime":3682.9,"body":"Amen to that."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3682.9,"endTime":3686.519,"body":"Right, like, I can't-... Control if this book"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3686.519,"endTime":3689.559,"body":"becomes a bestseller, right? But I can do the inputs. I c- I can"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3689.559,"endTime":3692.539,"body":"say, \"Man, what are, what are the felt needs of the people I'm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3692.539,"endTime":3695.42,"body":"speaking to on a regular basis, and how can I write something"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3695.42,"endTime":3697.719,"body":"that can compress time for them?\" Something that it took me"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3697.719,"endTime":3700.51,"body":"15 years to discover, maybe they can do in two years."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3701.119,"endTime":3703.36,"body":"And if I do that, and I do the inputs, and I, and I, and I, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3703.36,"endTime":3706.82,"body":"I do it well, God can breathe on it. He may not breathe on it,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3706.82,"endTime":3709.699,"body":"right? I can't control all those variables, so I just"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3709.699,"endTime":3712.4,"body":"consume myself with the daily non-negotiables- health,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3712.4,"endTime":3717.159,"body":"fitness, outside, touch grass, family time, a weekly rhythm of,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3717.159,"endTime":3721.0,"body":"like, making sure me and my wife have good conversations, we"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3721.0,"endTime":3722.039,"body":"check in-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3722.039,"endTime":3722.09,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3722.09,"endTime":3723.8,"body":"We're processing stuff together, right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3723.8,"endTime":3723.809,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3724.32,"endTime":3726.32,"body":"And I think if we build those non-negotiables,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3727.219,"endTime":3730.4,"body":"the out- the outcomes will come. I think most people consume too"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3730.4,"endTime":3732.9,"body":"much with the outcomes, or they're doing the wrong"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3732.9,"endTime":3735.94,"body":"non-negotiables. They don't know the inputs to get the outputs,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3735.94,"endTime":3738.639,"body":"right? And so it's like, if you get the right inputs... So let's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3738.639,"endTime":3740.92,"body":"just take an example with fitness, right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3741.519,"endTime":3744.039,"body":"You and I both know that, hey, man, little micro habits,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3744.039,"endTime":3745.579,"body":"tracking your food, working out-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3745.579,"endTime":3745.78,"body":"Yep"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3745.78,"endTime":3747.78,"body":"... 10,000, 10,000 steps a day-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3747.78,"endTime":3747.789,"body":"Yep"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3747.789,"endTime":3749.159,"body":"... Properly training, right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3749.159,"endTime":3750.059,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3750.059,"endTime":3752.38,"body":"You do those things long enough, stay in a calorie"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3752.38,"endTime":3754.559,"body":"deficit, you eat the right amount of protein, your body"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3754.559,"endTime":3757.78,"body":"will transform, and I think we underestimate that that is"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3757.78,"endTime":3761.9,"body":"applicable to other areas of life, right? So incremental"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3761.9,"endTime":3765.679,"body":"investments lead to monumental advancements. Little, small"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3765.679,"endTime":3767.42,"body":"investments every single day. You don't gotta be in the gym"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3767.42,"endTime":3770.86,"body":"for three hours a day. 30 minutes a day, efficiently,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3770.86,"endTime":3773.119,"body":"right amount of protein, six months from now, a year from"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3773.119,"endTime":3776.53,"body":"now, you look like another human. Why do you think that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3776.53,"endTime":3779.719,"body":"developing that skill that you know you need to make up so you"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3779.719,"endTime":3781.84,"body":"can be more efficient at your craft, why do you think that's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3781.84,"endTime":3784.42,"body":"any different, right? Why do you think finances and getting out"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3784.42,"endTime":3787.42,"body":"of debt is any different? It's incremental investments, daily"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3787.42,"endTime":3790.579,"body":"little investments, they lead to monumental advancements, and so"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3790.579,"endTime":3793.92,"body":"that's all in our systems. When we were $100,000 in debt,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3793.92,"endTime":3797.199,"body":"struggling, living paycheck to paycheck, before YouTube, before"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3797.199,"endTime":3800.219,"body":"I made any real money as a Christian musician, me and my"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3800.219,"endTime":3802.559,"body":"wife listened to Dave Ramsey every single day-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3802.559,"endTime":3803.01,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3803.01,"endTime":3804.15,"body":"... Religiously. We really-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3804.15,"endTime":3804.17,"body":"Love it"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3804.17,"endTime":3805.53,"body":"... Drank that Ramsey Kool-Aid."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3805.53,"endTime":3805.539,"body":"Love it. [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3805.539,"endTime":3806.26,"body":"We did a budget"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3807.039,"endTime":3809.84,"body":"all the time. We put money in a cash envelope system, so we"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3809.84,"endTime":3813.86,"body":"didn't overspend, and we worked our faces off so that when we..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3813.86,"endTime":3817.099,"body":"We knew, hey, when we have kids, I want my wife to stay at home."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3817.099,"endTime":3818.679,"body":"When we have kids, we don't wanna be living paycheck to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3818.679,"endTime":3821.96,"body":"paycheck, and within 18 months, we were debt-free, right? And"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3821.96,"endTime":3826.32,"body":"this is in 2011, right? This isn't, you know, la- like, this,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3826.32,"endTime":3829.5,"body":"this stuff is possible. But again, like, our"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3829.5,"endTime":3832.3,"body":"ambitions are zapped, either by the world making ambition God or"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3832.3,"endTime":3835.208,"body":"the church saying it's demonic, and it's bad, and it's evil."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3835.208,"endTime":3837.559,"body":"But, but we need these, especially if you're"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3837.559,"endTime":3839.739,"body":"coming from poverty. Like, especially if you're coming"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3839.739,"endTime":3843.039,"body":"from- ... Single-parent household, trauma, serious"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3843.039,"endTime":3844.679,"body":"issues that you need to work out-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3844.679,"endTime":3844.69,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3844.69,"endTime":3846.84,"body":"... If you, if you don't develop those systems,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3846.84,"endTime":3848.26,"body":"man, it's, it's gonna be hard."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3848.78,"endTime":3852.639,"body":"Systems is huge. One, one of my, I'd call him my"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3852.639,"endTime":3855.679,"body":"heroes, mentors, friends, William Lane Craig, has just had"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3855.679,"endTime":3856.98,"body":"incredible impact,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3857.5,"endTime":3860.28,"body":"and his philosophy is like, \"I'm just gonna be faithful and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3860.28,"endTime":3861.4,"body":"disciplined today.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3861.4,"endTime":3861.86,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3861.86,"endTime":3863.94,"body":"He's got systems- work out, study the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3863.94,"endTime":3868.099,"body":"Bible, pray, and just chips away at stuff and is disciplined at"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3868.099,"endTime":3869.78,"body":"that, and over time, you have an impact. So"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3870.579,"endTime":3873.139,"body":"that makes sense. Right, so your book is called Godly Ambition."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3873.139,"endTime":3875.96,"body":"What about somebody who goes, \"Ruslan, godly ambition?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3876.619,"endTime":3879.739,"body":"I can't even get out of bed.\" \"Like, you're telling me to have"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3879.739,"endTime":3882.239,"body":"godly ambition. I don't even have ambition.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3882.239,"endTime":3882.76,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3882.76,"endTime":3884.98,"body":"So especially today, there's a lot of people,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3884.98,"endTime":3888.46,"body":"we're hearing about depression, and anxiety, and mental illness."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3888.46,"endTime":3888.96,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3888.96,"endTime":3890.8,"body":"There's books on, like, [chuckles] how to get"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3890.8,"endTime":3893.38,"body":"out of bed. What would you say to somebody if they're still"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3893.38,"endTime":3895.599,"body":"watching this, going, \"These guys are talking about trying to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3895.599,"endTime":3898.0,"body":"change the world, and I c- I mean, I can't even find a job"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3898.0,"endTime":3901.599,"body":"and get out of bed in the morning\"?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3901.599,"endTime":3903.86,"body":"Yeah, I'm gonna be vulnerable, and I'll, I'll, I'll"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3903.86,"endTime":3905.639,"body":"look into the camera and just say, like, I don't know what"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3905.639,"endTime":3907.82,"body":"it's like to deal with chronic anxiety."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3908.34,"endTime":3910.219,"body":"I don't know what it's like to deal with chronic, crippling"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3910.219,"endTime":3910.969,"body":"depression. I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3911.559,"endTime":3915.179,"body":"don't wanna speak into something that I don't know. It'd be"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3915.179,"endTime":3917.4,"body":"like you asking me on, like, \"Give people advice on how to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3917.4,"endTime":3919.099,"body":"raise teenagers.\" It's like, \"I don't, I don't have no"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3919.099,"endTime":3920.849,"body":"teenagers. I got nothing for you.\" [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3920.849,"endTime":3920.88,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3920.88,"endTime":3923.61,"body":"You know? However, I think"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3925.3,"endTime":3930.579,"body":"sometimes it's latching on to that little bit of hope and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3930.579,"endTime":3933.219,"body":"saying, \"What is the next thing you can do right now?\" Maybe it"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3933.219,"endTime":3936.96,"body":"is literally just getting out of bed. Maybe you can get out of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3936.96,"endTime":3939.639,"body":"bed, but you just need to go on a walk. If you're in Southern"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3939.639,"endTime":3942.28,"body":"California, we get to talk- take walks in the summertime, right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3942.28,"endTime":3942.449,"body":"[chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3942.449,"endTime":3942.5,"body":"Amen."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3942.5,"endTime":3944.849,"body":"If you're in other parts of the world, maybe not."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3944.849,"endTime":3944.86,"body":"Or-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3944.86,"endTime":3946.059,"body":"Maybe it's going on a walk."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":3946.059,"endTime":3946.11,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3946.11,"endTime":3948.34,"body":"Maybe it's, maybe it's, \"Hey, I'm gonna pull up"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3949.159,"endTime":3953.38,"body":"a tutorial and learn one thing today,\" right? So I think it's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3953.38,"endTime":3955.179,"body":"latching on to that next step,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3955.8,"endTime":3958.4,"body":"and in that may mean, \"Hey, I might need to go"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3958.4,"endTime":3961.8,"body":"see a therapist. Hey, I might need to go deal with this in a"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3961.8,"endTime":3964.639,"body":"way where you might need to take medication for a season.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3964.639,"endTime":3967.96,"body":"But I would say, what is that one thing you can do? And that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3967.96,"endTime":3969.219,"body":"one little thing,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3969.96,"endTime":3972.26,"body":"can lead into another thing, and another thing, and another"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3972.26,"endTime":3974.0,"body":"thing, and then before you know it, the needle moves. But"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3974.559,"endTime":3978.179,"body":"I would, I would be here faking the funk, Sean, if I was like..."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3978.179,"endTime":3980.539,"body":"I've dealt with crippling anxiety where I couldn't get out"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3980.539,"endTime":3981.619,"body":"of bed for months. That,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3982.5,"endTime":3984.44,"body":"[exhales] that's heavy, and that's something different, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3984.44,"endTime":3985.63,"body":"that's something that I think,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3987.9,"endTime":3991.63,"body":"I think can really debilitate people. And so I would say seek"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3991.63,"endTime":3996.019,"body":"help, seek treatment. I think we need to stop making that a taboo"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3996.019,"endTime":3998.079,"body":"in Christian circles. There are people that need treatment, need"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":3998.079,"endTime":4001.86,"body":"therapy, may need medication. I would say... And, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4001.86,"endTime":4004.21,"body":"maybe that's the first step, and then from there, it's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4004.76,"endTime":4007.599,"body":"what can you tangibly do? Is it just going outside and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4007.599,"endTime":4010.36,"body":"going on a walk? Is it pulling up a tutorial and trying to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4010.36,"endTime":4015.0,"body":"learn something new? W- baby steps, baby steps, and, um-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4015.0,"endTime":4015.5,"body":"That's great."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4015.5,"endTime":4017.84,"body":"Yeah, I don't, I don't... I, ain't got much on"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4017.84,"endTime":4018.07,"body":"this. [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4018.07,"endTime":4019.699,"body":"That's fair. No, that's totally fair. I'm not an"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4019.699,"endTime":4022.21,"body":"expert on some of the crippling depression."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4022.21,"endTime":4022.219,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4022.219,"endTime":4023.559,"body":"You know, one thing I just would throw in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4023.559,"endTime":4026.26,"body":"there is, it's true for anybody, like, give ourselves some grace."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4026.26,"endTime":4027.26,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4027.26,"endTime":4029.86,"body":"Like, just that's the root of the Christian"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4029.86,"endTime":4032.559,"body":"faith. We all need grace in different ways. Sometimes people"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4032.559,"endTime":4036.78,"body":"need grace 'cause it's like, \"I just worked too hard- ... And I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4036.78,"endTime":4037.75,"body":"strove too much.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4037.75,"endTime":4037.76,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4037.76,"endTime":4038.719,"body":"The opposite side-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4039.28,"endTime":4040.98,"body":"... You just need some grace- [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4040.98,"endTime":4040.989,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4040.989,"endTime":4043.0,"body":"... Because your identity's not rooted in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4043.0,"endTime":4044.739,"body":"success. It can be on both sides."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4044.739,"endTime":4044.8,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4044.8,"endTime":4046.543,"body":"Whatever it is-... You know, the other thing"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4046.543,"endTime":4049.103,"body":"I really learned is having a father who's, has been"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4049.103,"endTime":4051.023,"body":"incredibly ambitious in his life."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4051.023,"endTime":4051.123,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4051.123,"endTime":4053.684,"body":"I still don't know how he spoke at 1,200"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4053.684,"endTime":4057.784,"body":"universities, 160 books. I mean, just"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4058.423,"endTime":4059.324,"body":"incredible."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4060.063,"endTime":4063.123,"body":"And for me to survive in terms of what I do is I gave up"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4063.123,"endTime":4065.643,"body":"comparison games a long time ago."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4065.643,"endTime":4066.663,"body":"That's good."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4066.663,"endTime":4069.443,"body":"I've no interest in being the next Josh McDowell,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4069.443,"endTime":4072.623,"body":"whatever. Like, that's a losing game."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4072.623,"endTime":4073.563,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4073.563,"endTime":4076.724,"body":"I just... I ask myself- What's- what gifts has"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4076.724,"endTime":4080.744,"body":"God given me? What opportunity has He given me, and how do I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4080.744,"endTime":4084.364,"body":"faithfully keep moving forward and doing better? And that's"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4084.364,"endTime":4086.324,"body":"actually one of the things Volf talks about, is like, \"Don't"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4086.324,"endTime":4088.403,"body":"compare yourself to anybody else.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4088.403,"endTime":4088.954,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4088.954,"endTime":4091.563,"body":"\"Just compare yourself to where you were with"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4091.563,"endTime":4093.893,"body":"the hope that you're moving forward.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4093.893,"endTime":4093.893,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4093.893,"endTime":4095.903,"body":"And that's some of what you're saying, is just,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4095.903,"endTime":4099.113,"body":"like, do one thing today and move forward."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4099.703,"endTime":4103.083,"body":"And so I would definitely say for people who wanna be- who are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4103.083,"endTime":4106.662,"body":"ambitious and wanna accomplish things, like, don't compare"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4106.662,"endTime":4109.543,"body":"yourself to others. I don't compare myself to you. I don't"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4109.543,"endTime":4111.583,"body":"compare myself to William Lane Craig."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4111.583,"endTime":4111.594,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4111.594,"endTime":4114.203,"body":"Like, let's celebrate the differences of"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4114.203,"endTime":4116.753,"body":"what people are accomplishing for the Kingdom."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4117.503,"endTime":4120.083,"body":"I've, I have two more questions for you, and then we'll wrap up."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4120.083,"endTime":4120.213,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4121.463,"endTime":4123.703,"body":"from the moment I met you, and it feels like it's only been"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4123.703,"endTime":4124.804,"body":"about three years-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4124.804,"endTime":4125.024,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4125.024,"endTime":4127.384,"body":"... Is right away, I remember seeing your"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4127.384,"endTime":4129.344,"body":"channel. I'm like, \"I don't know who this guy is. I don't know"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4129.344,"endTime":4132.944,"body":"anything about him,\" didn't know your music, my bad. Right away,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4132.944,"endTime":4134.543,"body":"one of the things just struck me as like, \"Wow, he's a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4134.543,"endTime":4135.423,"body":"collaborator.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4135.423,"endTime":4135.912,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4135.912,"endTime":4137.703,"body":"\"I wonder if this is genuine,\" just 'cause I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4137.703,"endTime":4138.283,"body":"didn't know you."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4138.283,"endTime":4138.734,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4138.734,"endTime":4140.764,"body":"I mean, the more I probe in, I'm like, \"Wow, this"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4140.764,"endTime":4146.064,"body":"guy really is celebrating other people's success.\" We're at ETS,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4146.064,"endTime":4148.184,"body":"and you're, like, bringing all the YouTubers together- ..."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4148.184,"endTime":4150.323,"body":"Having a meal, talking, collaborating, \"How do we help"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4150.323,"endTime":4153.463,"body":"each other out?\" Where does that heart come from?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4154.162,"endTime":4158.484,"body":"And how can we be better collaborators that celebrate the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4158.484,"endTime":4159.823,"body":"success of others-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4160.363,"endTime":4163.703,"body":"... Rather than be threatened by it- ... Or compare ourselves to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4163.703,"endTime":4166.083,"body":"them?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4166.083,"endTime":4168.923,"body":"Collaboration does a couple things for me. One, it"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4168.923,"endTime":4170.203,"body":"eliminates that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4170.764,"endTime":4173.543,"body":"selfish, competitive spirit where I have to clobber, that,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4173.543,"endTime":4174.863,"body":"that selfish ambition."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4174.863,"endTime":4174.872,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4174.872,"endTime":4177.564,"body":"So if I'm collaborating, I don't see any"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4177.564,"endTime":4180.764,"body":"of my colleagues as competition. I don't s- I just don't see the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4180.764,"endTime":4183.203,"body":"world that way. Like, I don't see it in a zero-sum game of"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4183.203,"endTime":4186.743,"body":"like, \"If people watch your channel, they'll be less likely"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4186.743,"endTime":4189.503,"body":"to watch my channel.\" I think there's- ... Enough people out"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4189.503,"endTime":4192.923,"body":"there and enough people that everyone can be successful on"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4192.923,"endTime":4195.003,"body":"these platforms. Now, somebody will say, \"Well, that's not how"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4195.003,"endTime":4197.724,"body":"math works,\" right? [chuckles] Like, I serve a supernatural"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4197.724,"endTime":4198.503,"body":"God of multiplication, you know?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4198.503,"endTime":4199.564,"body":"It's not a fixed pie."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4199.564,"endTime":4199.583,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4199.583,"endTime":4201.444,"body":"People are listening to more content-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4201.444,"endTime":4201.514,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4201.514,"endTime":4202.104,"body":"... In different ways."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4202.104,"endTime":4202.783,"body":"Yes, yes."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4202.783,"endTime":4202.934,"body":"You're right."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4202.934,"endTime":4205.823,"body":"Exactly. So one, I think it anchors me to say, \"Let"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4205.823,"endTime":4208.904,"body":"me kill that, like, unhealthy competition- ... That I, that I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4208.904,"endTime":4212.163,"body":"naturally had as a rapper,\" that, like, which is... It's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4212.163,"endTime":4214.904,"body":"very competitive, it's very self-centered. \"Let me kill"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4214.904,"endTime":4218.564,"body":"that.\" I think another thing that it does for me, and,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4218.564,"endTime":4219.213,"body":"and is that,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4219.884,"endTime":4223.423,"body":"I'm not trying to build a cult of personality. I have zero"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4223.423,"endTime":4226.043,"body":"desire to build a cult following, right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4226.043,"endTime":4226.934,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4226.934,"endTime":4227.644,"body":"Because"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4228.623,"endTime":4230.503,"body":"it... That's not healthy either, and that's the, that's"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4230.503,"endTime":4233.684,"body":"the name of the game in, as an entertainer, is like niche down,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4233.684,"endTime":4237.083,"body":"cult of personality. You're the guy. You're the niche, right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4237.083,"endTime":4240.663,"body":"And so, and then also when I collaborate, it takes"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4240.663,"endTime":4243.884,"body":"the pressure off of me to be the expert because I'm not an"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4243.884,"endTime":4247.444,"body":"expert. I'm... You're the expert in your field. Let me-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4247.444,"endTime":4248.613,"body":"That makes me nervous, but keep going."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4248.613,"endTime":4248.644,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4248.644,"endTime":4250.283,"body":"No, I mean, you're, you're"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4250.283,"endTime":4251.963,"body":"educated. You have your doctorate."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4251.963,"endTime":4251.993,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4251.993,"endTime":4255.363,"body":"You're a professor. I could point to actual experts."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4255.363,"endTime":4255.384,"body":"Yeah, fair enough."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4255.384,"endTime":4255.894,"body":"And then"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4256.444,"endTime":4258.764,"body":"that takes the pressure off of me to be this guy that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4258.764,"endTime":4258.953,"body":"I'm not."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4258.953,"endTime":4258.972,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4258.972,"endTime":4260.823,"body":"I don't know anything about manu- I know what"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4260.823,"endTime":4262.604,"body":"Wes Huff tells me, okay?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4262.604,"endTime":4262.634,"body":"[laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4262.634,"endTime":4264.323,"body":"I don't know anything about manuscripts,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4264.323,"endTime":4266.484,"body":"right? So I'm gonna point to Wes. I'm gonna say, \"Hey, this"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4266.484,"endTime":4267.804,"body":"is really good,\" you know?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4267.804,"endTime":4268.224,"body":"That's awesome."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4268.224,"endTime":4270.484,"body":"\"Check him out.\" Like, so I think when we"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4270.484,"endTime":4273.363,"body":"collaborate, then we can actually lean in and celebrate"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4273.363,"endTime":4274.543,"body":"other people's expertise."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4274.543,"endTime":4274.684,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4274.684,"endTime":4276.623,"body":"And this is... I mean, this is a practical hack"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4276.623,"endTime":4278.884,"body":"for people trying to get on social media. Stop trying to be"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4278.884,"endTime":4283.363,"body":"the source of everything and be the expert at 23 years old on"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4283.363,"endTime":4287.533,"body":"TikTok. [chuckles] Highlight some other voices of some other"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4287.533,"endTime":4289.844,"body":"experts, and that takes the pressure off of you to not"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4289.844,"endTime":4292.144,"body":"pretend to be this person that you're not. And so I've, I've"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4292.144,"endTime":4295.104,"body":"just- the more I've gotten into it, I'm like, \"Man, I"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4295.104,"endTime":4298.503,"body":"can't do what Mike Winger does.\" The dude is like... The dude"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4298.503,"endTime":4302.804,"body":"talks like ChatGPT before ChatGPT existed, like 11-hour"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4302.804,"endTime":4304.043,"body":"video on women in ministry."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4304.043,"endTime":4304.693,"body":"Oh, bro. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4304.693,"endTime":4307.344,"body":"I've never even seen a video that long on YouTube,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4307.344,"endTime":4311.844,"body":"right? This is crazy. Let me point to him and celebrate him-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4311.844,"endTime":4312.323,"body":"I agree"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4312.323,"endTime":4314.083,"body":"... Because he's just wired different. He's like"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4314.083,"endTime":4315.634,"body":"a savant in the way his brain works-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4315.634,"endTime":4315.634,"body":"He is, yeah"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4315.634,"endTime":4318.104,"body":"... And he can go deep in hundreds and probably"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4318.104,"endTime":4320.923,"body":"thousands of hours of research on videos. Let me, let me"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4320.923,"endTime":4321.774,"body":"celebrate other people."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4321.774,"endTime":4321.934,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4321.934,"endTime":4324.404,"body":"So I think there's, there's very practical things in"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4324.404,"endTime":4327.743,"body":"that, and I think I was so jaded with the Christian rap"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4327.743,"endTime":4329.753,"body":"world, where I came out... Right now, it's much better."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4329.753,"endTime":4329.764,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4329.764,"endTime":4332.724,"body":"But I came out of a very cutthroat com- and this is"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4332.724,"endTime":4334.663,"body":"weird to say about Christian rap, but I came out of this"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4334.663,"endTime":4337.904,"body":"very, like, competitive, ego-driven era, that, like, when"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4337.904,"endTime":4338.524,"body":"I got into"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4339.623,"endTime":4344.073,"body":"this, everyone was just nice and friendly and willing and not,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4344.073,"endTime":4347.423,"body":"like, holding back compliments, you know? And, and I'm like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4347.423,"endTime":4350.163,"body":"\"Yeah, like, let me point to other people.\" I think it"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4350.163,"endTime":4353.743,"body":"serves so many practical things, and I, and I genuinely love our"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4353.743,"endTime":4355.893,"body":"space. Like, there's nothing like our space."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4355.893,"endTime":4355.904,"body":"Me too, yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4355.904,"endTime":4359.764,"body":"It's really awesome, and everyone is very kind, and"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4359.764,"endTime":4362.764,"body":"most folks are 100 times better than they are on camera in terms"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4362.764,"endTime":4363.793,"body":"of just how generous they are."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4363.793,"endTime":4364.253,"body":"I agree."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4364.253,"endTime":4364.474,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4364.474,"endTime":4365.283,"body":"That's my experience."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4365.283,"endTime":4365.314,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4365.314,"endTime":4366.543,"body":"You know, I just think to remember at a camp"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4366.543,"endTime":4369.024,"body":"called Camp of the Woods probably 20 years ago."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4369.024,"endTime":4369.224,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4369.224,"endTime":4371.564,"body":"My dad, Frank Turek, and myself were speaking,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4371.564,"endTime":4374.743,"body":"and when it was done, my dad said, he goes, \"My books are in"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4374.743,"endTime":4377.384,"body":"the back, but if you buy one book,\" he goes, \"Buy Frank"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4377.384,"endTime":4379.693,"body":"Turek's book. That's the most important one.\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4379.693,"endTime":4379.743,"body":"Oh."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4379.743,"endTime":4381.163,"body":"I don't remember what Frank talked on."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4381.163,"endTime":4381.203,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4381.203,"endTime":4383.064,"body":"I don't even remember what my dad talked on."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4383.064,"endTime":4385.463,"body":"But that had an impression on me, and I'm not saying I do this"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4385.463,"endTime":4386.123,"body":"perfectly-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4386.123,"endTime":4386.524,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4386.524,"endTime":4389.363,"body":"... But, like, some of the just competition"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4389.884,"endTime":4393.384,"body":"and criticizing people just, it wears me down."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4393.384,"endTime":4393.823,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4393.823,"endTime":4395.503,"body":"And there's a time and place to correct."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4395.503,"endTime":4397.804,"body":"People give me correction, I'm like, \"You're right. [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4397.804,"endTime":4401.043,"body":"Learn from that one. Keep going.\" But, like, cheering"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4401.043,"endTime":4404.863,"body":"people on and collaborating, the enemy is too great to"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4404.863,"endTime":4407.724,"body":"spend too much time not doing that. All right, last question-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4407.724,"endTime":4409.684,"body":"I'm curious, what are you leaning into on your channel"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4409.684,"endTime":4413.631,"body":"right now, like, moving forward? Like, for me, I-... I'm"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4413.631,"endTime":4416.452,"body":"really convinced that things like near-death experiences,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4416.452,"endTime":4417.801,"body":"supernatural encounters-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4417.801,"endTime":4418.261,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4418.261,"endTime":4420.431,"body":"-are real, and I don't think a lot of people are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4420.431,"endTime":4422.271,"body":"doing it carefully and well."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4422.271,"endTime":4422.911,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4422.911,"endTime":4424.851,"body":"And I think apologetics, afterlife"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4424.851,"endTime":4428.452,"body":"apologetics, is something I'd love to see way more apologists"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4428.452,"endTime":4429.192,"body":"lean into."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4429.192,"endTime":4429.671,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4429.671,"endTime":4432.371,"body":"That's one thing I'm focusing on, but tell me one"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4432.371,"endTime":4434.692,"body":"or two things moving forward that you're gonna be focusing"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4434.692,"endTime":4435.371,"body":"on."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4435.371,"endTime":4437.591,"body":"Yeah, and by the way, we reacted to one of your,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4437.591,"endTime":4439.631,"body":"near-death experience videos last week, which was great."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4439.631,"endTime":4440.331,"body":"Oh, nice!"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4440.331,"endTime":4441.181,"body":"Yeah, it was really good."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4441.181,"endTime":4441.192,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4441.192,"endTime":4443.631,"body":"That, that whole conversation was so fascinating."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4443.631,"endTime":4448.712,"body":"Yeah, I think we're trying to figure out how to integrate some"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4448.712,"endTime":4453.072,"body":"of the chapters from the book into the content, so that way"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4453.072,"endTime":4455.971,"body":"there's a more, there's a more robust"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4456.791,"endTime":4459.731,"body":"experience we're creating for people. So as we're... As the"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4459.731,"endTime":4463.032,"body":"book is coming out, I'm speaking more, I'm preaching at churches,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4463.032,"endTime":4465.652,"body":"we have the Bless God Summit. We're trying to really integrate"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4465.652,"endTime":4470.091,"body":"some of that into the content and go a little deeper in"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4470.091,"endTime":4472.581,"body":"the practical sense of sanctification, right?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4472.581,"endTime":4472.612,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4472.612,"endTime":4474.871,"body":"Meaning that, like, it's really easy to just, like,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4474.871,"endTime":4477.572,"body":"boom, hit them with the Gospel. Okay, yes, hit them with the Go-"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4477.572,"endTime":4480.212,"body":"w- every video to me should go back to the Gospel in some way,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4480.212,"endTime":4482.992,"body":"shape, or form. But I think it's like, hit them with the Gospel,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4482.992,"endTime":4485.992,"body":"and then, like, what are we saved to? And I'm trying to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4485.992,"endTime":4489.891,"body":"really integrate that into the conversations. And I think also"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4489.891,"endTime":4492.271,"body":"just being more intentional with good podcasting."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4492.271,"endTime":4493.851,"body":"Like, I think we're gonna have- ... Really good conversations,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4493.851,"endTime":4496.351,"body":"conversations like this, that are... That I'm spending time,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4496.351,"endTime":4498.391,"body":"well-researched, going through people's books and trying to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4498.391,"endTime":4500.692,"body":"drive up, and trying to figure out how to package that"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4500.692,"endTime":4503.692,"body":"in a way that's interesting and intriguing to the audience."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4503.692,"endTime":4504.032,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4504.032,"endTime":4506.011,"body":"I love it. Well, you're on Instagram. You're on"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4506.011,"endTime":4506.831,"body":"X, right?"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4506.831,"endTime":4507.511,"body":"Yeah, barely. [laughing]"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4507.511,"endTime":4508.902,"body":"You're barely... I was like, \"Right,\""},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4508.902,"endTime":4508.931,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4508.931,"endTime":4510.631,"body":"I don't remember seeing a ton on there now and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4510.631,"endTime":4514.091,"body":"then. Your YouTube channel is great. Some of my team, they're"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4514.091,"endTime":4516.871,"body":"like, \"We listen to everything he throws out there.\" The book,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4516.871,"endTime":4519.712,"body":"Godly Ambition, thanks for giving me the chance, to endorse"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4519.712,"endTime":4520.032,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4520.032,"endTime":4521.171,"body":"Yeah, thank you for endorsing it."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4521.171,"endTime":4522.351,"body":"I think it's excellent. Oh, I would highly"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4522.351,"endTime":4526.212,"body":"recommend it. I guess I can say this being maybe a decade older"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4526.212,"endTime":4528.992,"body":"than you, but just really appreciate you, proud of you."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4528.992,"endTime":4531.712,"body":"Just want to encourage you to keep doing what you're doing. I"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4531.712,"endTime":4533.791,"body":"know you're honoring the Lord and making a difference."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4533.791,"endTime":4536.032,"body":"Hey, thank you for having me. This was a,"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4536.791,"endTime":4538.952,"body":"this was a surreal moment in many ways- -right? Getting to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4538.952,"endTime":4542.032,"body":"meet your dad, getting to have this conversation, you endorsing"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4542.032,"endTime":4545.072,"body":"the book. It's been, it's been really humbling, to"},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4545.072,"endTime":4546.032,"body":"say the least."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4546.032,"endTime":4547.471,"body":"Well, Lord willing, this is just the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":4547.471,"endTime":4548.612,"body":"beginning of many more."},{"speaker":"Ruslan KD","startTime":4548.612,"endTime":4556.771,"body":"Amen. [upbeat music]"}]}