{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":0.3,"endTime":3.94,"body":"[upbeat music] What's it like to serve God"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":3.94,"endTime":7.4,"body":"under the siege of war in the Ukraine? What theological"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":7.4,"endTime":10.16,"body":"questions are raised as a result of the war, especially about the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":10.16,"endTime":13.539,"body":"goodness and sovereignty of God? And how are the churches dealing"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":13.539,"endTime":17.16,"body":"with the trauma of war? We'll address these questions and more"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":17.16,"endTime":20.0,"body":"with our guest, Anna, who will go by first name only to protect"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":20.0,"endTime":22.3,"body":"her identity. I'm your host, Scott Rae."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":22.3,"endTime":23.46,"body":"I'm your co-host, Sean McDowell."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":23.46,"endTime":25.28,"body":"This is Think Biblically from Talbot School of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":25.28,"endTime":28.579,"body":"Theology at Biola University. Anna, you're a faculty member"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":29.48,"endTime":33.02,"body":"and grad, Talbot graduate, and on-site assistant at the Kyiv"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":33.02,"endTime":36.119,"body":"Theological Seminary in partnership with Talbot, and"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":36.119,"endTime":38.939,"body":"you've been in Ukraine dur-- for the duration of the war. So tell"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":38.939,"endTime":41.0,"body":"us a little bit, just what's it been like"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":41.579,"endTime":45.0,"body":"being in the country during this time of war?"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":45.0,"endTime":47.759,"body":"Being in Ukraine during the wartime-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":47.759,"endTime":48.28,"body":"Yeah"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":48.28,"endTime":52.38,"body":"... Feels like living in two overlapping realities."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":53.38,"endTime":57.52,"body":"And those realities run on the parallel tracks, like ordinary"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":57.52,"endTime":57.899,"body":"life"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":58.539,"endTime":62.439,"body":"and constant threat, and we all learn how to walk"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":63.079,"endTime":68.06,"body":"with one foot in each world. Currently, we have daily power"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":68.06,"endTime":68.68,"body":"blackouts"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":69.2,"endTime":73.219,"body":"with several hours per day with power, internet, and"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":73.219,"endTime":78.629,"body":"electricity. However, the country keeps its pulse, so the"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":78.629,"endTime":82.68,"body":"coffee shops still work with generator power, students do"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":82.68,"endTime":86.79,"body":"their homework with the headlamps, and workers finish"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":86.79,"endTime":88.239,"body":"deadlines in shelters,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":88.98,"endTime":93.92,"body":"having their kids nearby. 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You either trust the"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":177.479,"endTime":179.4,"body":"Lord or you don't trust the Lord-"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":179.939,"endTime":182.479,"body":"... With everything that is happening. And it's not"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":182.479,"endTime":186.919,"body":"theoretical. It's really, like, living and vibrant. Every day"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":186.919,"endTime":191.759,"body":"you need to find out the answer to question, \"Do I trust the"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":191.759,"endTime":196.3,"body":"Lord or not?\" And we all know the answers. We cannot hide it"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":196.3,"endTime":197.939,"body":"from ourselves."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":197.939,"endTime":199.599,"body":"You know, we talk about trusting the Lord a"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":199.599,"endTime":203.62,"body":"lot in the West, in the US, but it can become academic and"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":203.62,"endTime":207.0,"body":"rhetoric, and you're speaking, like you said, from living it"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":207.0,"endTime":210.37,"body":"out moment by moment and being really forced"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":210.919,"endTime":215.659,"body":"to put your theological and biblical beliefs to the test. A"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":215.659,"endTime":219.28,"body":"part of the challenge is you're a part of Kyiv Theological"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":219.28,"endTime":224.4,"body":"Seminary. 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And so the students"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":288.579,"endTime":292.339,"body":"start reading Scripture with a different seriousness, not just"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":292.339,"endTime":295.699,"body":"like people who want to learn something, but people who"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":295.699,"endTime":299.0,"body":"desperately need the Word because they need it in their"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":299.0,"endTime":304.199,"body":"reality. We also see that churches need more leaders than"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":304.199,"endTime":309.72,"body":"ever, and so the theological education becomes both a refuge"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":309.72,"endTime":313.779,"body":"and a forge, like a place where leaders rest, and at the same"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":313.779,"endTime":318.04,"body":"time, a place where they are reshaped for harder work. 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What, what's, what are some of the specific"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":348.3,"endTime":351.12,"body":"theological questions that are being raised or sharpened"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":351.72,"endTime":354.779,"body":"that have come about as a result of the war?"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":354.779,"endTime":357.36,"body":"Every time that the tragedy happens,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":358.3,"endTime":362.992,"body":"it reshapes the theology that the person has.... And so our"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":362.992,"endTime":366.831,"body":"students have questions about suffering, and where is the God"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":366.831,"endTime":368.132,"body":"in the midst of suffering?"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":368.992,"endTime":372.692,"body":"Questions about God's providence, about hope, about"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":372.692,"endTime":379.312,"body":"justice. It's not enough just to know God, but you need to feel"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":379.312,"endTime":383.951,"body":"Him present. You need really to believe what He's saying, to"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":383.951,"endTime":387.951,"body":"know what He has promised to you. It's not just, like,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":387.951,"endTime":391.112,"body":"theoretical hope. They need it daily."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":391.112,"endTime":391.932,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":391.932,"endTime":395.351,"body":"So they ask those questions, and during the"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":395.351,"endTime":400.091,"body":"lectures, when they study the history of the church, they"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":400.091,"endTime":402.341,"body":"study theology, they,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":403.172,"endTime":404.692,"body":"learn to see God,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":405.492,"endTime":409.932,"body":"who is powerful and who is in every historical period. And"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":409.932,"endTime":415.471,"body":"that's when they realize God is at work now here also. He is not"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":415.471,"endTime":416.812,"body":"just controlling all"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":417.651,"endTime":421.112,"body":"the world history. He's controlling their life. He's"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":421.112,"endTime":426.232,"body":"still committed to His plan, and they're a part of that plan. And"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":426.232,"endTime":429.192,"body":"then the answer why they have survived another night,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":429.711,"endTime":433.192,"body":"because God is still having plans for them,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":434.012,"endTime":435.252,"body":"and they need to be"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":436.091,"endTime":437.291,"body":"obedient to the calling."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":438.711,"endTime":439.872,"body":"It's like understanding"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":440.872,"endTime":443.372,"body":"that crisis doesn't cancel the calling,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":444.471,"endTime":445.951,"body":"doesn't cancel God's power,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":447.271,"endTime":450.651,"body":"and the war doesn't cancel God's power, doesn't cancel their"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":450.651,"endTime":455.411,"body":"calling. So the obedience comes with a different cost,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":456.232,"endTime":457.252,"body":"but it also brings"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":458.012,"endTime":463.072,"body":"new, deep senses to the life. You know why you're living."},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":463.072,"endTime":466.692,"body":"Well, one of the classes I teach at Talbot is on"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":466.692,"endTime":469.411,"body":"the question of- Why does God allow evil?"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":470.072,"endTime":474.112,"body":"And, of course, everybody experience it in varying degrees"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":474.112,"endTime":477.711,"body":"in their lives, but the way you describe what the students are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":477.711,"endTime":481.112,"body":"going through makes this pressing, quite literally,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":481.112,"endTime":484.271,"body":"moment by moment. There's probably not any moment that"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":484.271,"endTime":487.851,"body":"it's not in the back of their mind that evil and suffering"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":487.851,"endTime":490.851,"body":"will not only continue, but could hit them even more"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":490.851,"endTime":495.331,"body":"personally. 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When you see that evil and"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":520.312,"endTime":521.75,"body":"suffering in your own life,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":522.892,"endTime":525.812,"body":"you need to learn to see God's presence in the midst of that"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":525.812,"endTime":526.392,"body":"suffering."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":527.851,"endTime":530.511,"body":"We all know about God's sovereign plan,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":531.511,"endTime":532.331,"body":"but to"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":532.871,"endTime":533.912,"body":"learn to trust"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":534.652,"endTime":535.591,"body":"God's sovereignty"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":536.711,"endTime":538.701,"body":"is a totally different measure of life."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":540.231,"endTime":543.851,"body":"So basically, I would say that many questions that we have"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":543.851,"endTime":545.672,"body":"answers to, theoretically,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":546.471,"endTime":549.091,"body":"we need to live it through in our own lives."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":550.312,"endTime":553.971,"body":"It's like the questions about human dignity, how to maintain a"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":553.971,"endTime":554.932,"body":"Christian attitude,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":555.572,"endTime":557.812,"body":"even in the face of inhuman aggression."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":558.731,"endTime":560.231,"body":"What does it mean to be a,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":561.672,"endTime":564.231,"body":"a good neighbor to somebody who is in need"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":564.792,"endTime":565.471,"body":"next to me?"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":566.812,"endTime":571.471,"body":"What is their hope, and how we can speak realistically about"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":571.471,"endTime":572.292,"body":"Christian hope"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":572.932,"endTime":577.772,"body":"without losing honesty about pain? 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And that may be, that may be"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":647.851,"endTime":648.501,"body":"something that,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":649.77,"endTime":653.182,"body":"you know, like many of the, many of the whys in our"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":653.182,"endTime":657.351,"body":"lives, we have to wait till eternity to see how all of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":657.351,"endTime":660.261,"body":"this fits together into a coherent whole."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":660.851,"endTime":663.951,"body":"And to trust in the midst of that, I think, is... I would"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":663.951,"endTime":668.351,"body":"find incredibly challenging. And I commend you all for"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":668.912,"endTime":672.731,"body":"continuing to trust God and to model that for your students and"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":672.731,"endTime":677.072,"body":"for your community. 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I'm really curious if there are"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":784.788,"endTime":788.727,"body":"some theological issues with students being drafted into the"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":788.727,"endTime":793.268,"body":"war. For example, are there some students who were pacifists,"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":793.268,"endTime":796.768,"body":"theologically or philosophically, find themselves"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":796.768,"endTime":800.107,"body":"being drafted, and either it shifts their views or how they"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":800.107,"endTime":802.087,"body":"address that tension?"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":802.087,"endTime":804.467,"body":"We do have tension because,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":805.148,"endTime":810.587,"body":"a Christian believers have different understanding of war"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":810.587,"endTime":813.317,"body":"and, how they can participate in the war."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":814.508,"endTime":817.768,"body":"Some of our teachers, including the director of the Talbot"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":817.768,"endTime":823.268,"body":"program, Dr. Borisov, have been mobilized. Many students have"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":823.268,"endTime":827.567,"body":"been mobilized, and some are serving as soldiers, chaplains,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":827.567,"endTime":831.327,"body":"medics, or simply humanitarian projects."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":832.268,"endTime":836.168,"body":"So our approach is to respect the freedom of consciences,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":837.866,"endTime":839.827,"body":"and it means to recognize"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":840.548,"endTime":845.227,"body":"both the Bible and the Ukrainian law. Our role is not to impose a"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":845.227,"endTime":850.107,"body":"position, but instead to foster maturity so that everyone can"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":850.107,"endTime":854.207,"body":"act responsibly according to their convictions before God,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":854.207,"endTime":857.268,"body":"and to defend our country accordingly, with"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":857.268,"endTime":860.967,"body":"responsibility. And there are different ways how people can do"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":860.967,"endTime":866.227,"body":"it. Not everybody should be on the front line. Not everybody"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":866.227,"endTime":870.687,"body":"should be a chaplain, let's say. [chuckles] So we are praying"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":870.687,"endTime":871.567,"body":"that the students"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":872.268,"endTime":875.268,"body":"have maturity and wisdom, how they can"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":876.107,"endTime":881.288,"body":"protect the country, both physically and spiritually,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":881.288,"endTime":884.366,"body":"using different options that are available."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":884.366,"endTime":886.557,"body":"Let me ask you another question. The, is the,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":886.557,"endTime":888.587,"body":"[clears throat] the campus and the buildings"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":889.268,"endTime":894.126,"body":"where you house the school, have those been damaged at all by"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":894.126,"endTime":896.427,"body":"some of the bombing and the shelling?"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":896.427,"endTime":900.748,"body":"Thank God, it is still safe. 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And so we've been, we've been praying"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":966.668,"endTime":967.207,"body":"for you all"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":968.028,"endTime":971.587,"body":"for some time, but, and it's, it's good news to hear"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":971.587,"endTime":974.408,"body":"that the campus is still relatively safe-"},{"speaker":"Sean McDowell","startTime":974.408,"endTime":974.888,"body":"Mm-hmm"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":974.888,"endTime":974.898,"body":"..."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":975.548,"endTime":978.187,"body":"Given where you are. Now, there's also been a lot of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":978.187,"endTime":981.947,"body":"discussion about the resilience of the Ukrainian people. 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You don't stop living even"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1013.107,"endTime":1014.807,"body":"after something has happened."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1015.327,"endTime":1019.327,"body":"Even after the tragedy, people need to go to work, they need to"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1019.327,"endTime":1022.207,"body":"cook, they need to take kids to the kindergarten,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1023.067,"endTime":1023.647,"body":"and so"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1024.167,"endTime":1029.167,"body":"this is the resilience, just keeping with the daily routine."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1029.167,"endTime":1031.488,"body":"So usually after the strikes, the shop,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1032.327,"endTime":1037.528,"body":"the shops reopen, and really quickly. There are many weddings"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1037.528,"endTime":1038.048,"body":"happening,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1039.827,"endTime":1040.708,"body":"kids are born,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1041.268,"endTime":1045.906,"body":"and we celebrate that. We see that universities and schools,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1045.906,"endTime":1048.728,"body":"they run hybrid classes."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1049.446,"endTime":1050.567,"body":"The life is going on,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1051.708,"endTime":1055.907,"body":"but the main resilience that I see, I see it in students that"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1055.907,"endTime":1062.028,"body":"come to KTS. One of my students, he's serving in the air defense"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1062.028,"endTime":1065.877,"body":"team, so every night he's on a shift to protect Kyiv,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1066.928,"endTime":1070.867,"body":"and during the daytime, he's sleeping usually. 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And so they were astonished and amazed that there"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1250.919,"endTime":1254.939,"body":"are so many Christians that are serving them. Although in"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1254.939,"endTime":1259.619,"body":"Ukraine, many people believe that Evangelical churches are"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1259.619,"endTime":1261.898,"body":"some kind of a sect or cult."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1263.398,"endTime":1264.699,"body":"And so to see"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1265.799,"endTime":1269.359,"body":"the presence of Evangelical believers who are not running,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1269.359,"endTime":1270.099,"body":"but staying"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1270.759,"endTime":1271.679,"body":"and serving them,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1272.539,"endTime":1273.219,"body":"it was,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1273.819,"endTime":1279.019,"body":"the first step closer to God. 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That's so encouraging"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1362.119,"endTime":1366.039,"body":"to hear, to see God moving in some pretty significant ways in"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1366.039,"endTime":1369.339,"body":"the lives of people through what you all are modeling, and"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1369.339,"endTime":1372.439,"body":"others. A couple other questions, Anna. What"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1372.439,"endTime":1376.799,"body":"gives you hope? And then how can our listeners pray for you all"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1377.5,"endTime":1380.259,"body":"at Kyiv Theological Seminary?"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1380.259,"endTime":1381.259,"body":"Our main hope"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1381.878,"endTime":1384.609,"body":"is not the hope for restored country,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1386.299,"endTime":1392.638,"body":"not hope for better economy, not even the hope of luxury, of"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1392.638,"endTime":1400.279,"body":"planning the life, but the hope lies in who God is. God is"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1400.279,"endTime":1406.279,"body":"powerful. God knows what He's doing. We trust Him."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1407.819,"endTime":1413.378,"body":"We usually plan our life, having our own picture of how we serve"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1413.378,"endTime":1418.299,"body":"God. We want to be heroes for the church history, [chuckles]"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1418.299,"endTime":1424.059,"body":"doing something great for God. But the only thing that God is"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1424.059,"endTime":1427.799,"body":"expecting for us is to be obedient here and now."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1428.359,"endTime":1430.46,"body":"And so learning to be obedient"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1431.059,"endTime":1436.119,"body":"is my small life puzzle, that I don't know how it fits the"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1436.119,"endTime":1443.878,"body":"picture. Knowing that God is great, that gives a hope. And"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1443.878,"endTime":1447.279,"body":"daily, we need again and again to assure ourselves"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1447.98,"endTime":1450.419,"body":"that we know God, who we believe in Him."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1450.98,"endTime":1455.539,"body":"We know He's powerful, and we see Him moving. We see His"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1455.539,"endTime":1460.807,"body":"power-... Especially now. We can see light in the darkness,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1461.708,"endTime":1466.147,"body":"and now we see God's light in this total darkness. And so we"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1466.147,"endTime":1466.847,"body":"do have hope,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1468.048,"endTime":1468.617,"body":"because we are"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1469.728,"endTime":1473.907,"body":"people of hope, not of despair. And especially with the"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1473.907,"endTime":1474.807,"body":"Christmas message"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1475.847,"endTime":1479.087,"body":"that Emmanuel is with us, God is with us,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1479.928,"endTime":1483.988,"body":"is so powerful, and we are, like, living in a Christmas"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1483.988,"endTime":1485.948,"body":"season for last four years."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1486.708,"endTime":1487.428,"body":"God is with us."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1487.428,"endTime":1487.907,"body":"Interesting."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1489.147,"endTime":1491.708,"body":"How, how can, how can our listeners pray for you all?"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1491.708,"endTime":1496.107,"body":"We would appreciate your prayers for peace in Ukraine,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1496.107,"endTime":1497.448,"body":"for the war to end."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1499.817,"endTime":1502.807,"body":"But moreover, I would like you to pray"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1503.548,"endTime":1510.248,"body":"for us to have power of God, to move by God's power, to be"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1510.248,"endTime":1515.847,"body":"empowered with the Spirit. We need Him more than ever, and we"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1515.847,"endTime":1518.208,"body":"know that He can use us"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1519.268,"endTime":1521.988,"body":"the way He wants, as long as He wants,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1522.907,"endTime":1525.607,"body":"and we need to be a spiritual stone for that."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1526.688,"endTime":1527.548,"body":"So please pray"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1528.448,"endTime":1529.607,"body":"for us to be empowered"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1530.508,"endTime":1533.028,"body":"with the Spirit, and for peace."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1533.028,"endTime":1535.377,"body":"Wow, Sean, I don't know about you, but, uh- ..."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1535.377,"endTime":1541.528,"body":"This is, this has been very moving to hear how faith-"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1541.528,"endTime":1544.367,"body":"how important faithfulness is in the midst of"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1545.268,"endTime":1549.807,"body":"these incredibly trying, challenging circumstances, and"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1549.807,"endTime":1551.768,"body":"how it's, it's forced"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1552.488,"endTime":1555.268,"body":"the folks there to live sort of one day at a time. I was"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1555.268,"endTime":1558.728,"body":"struck s- you know, often, Anna, by, when you're saying that, you"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1558.728,"endTime":1563.607,"body":"know, \"If you survive the night, we'll go to work the next day.\""},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1563.607,"endTime":1566.768,"body":"And if, you know, and we live sort of one day at a time,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1566.768,"endTime":1568.428,"body":"knowing that it could be our last."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1569.968,"endTime":1573.048,"body":"But yet, you know, trust, trusting God in the, in the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1573.048,"endTime":1576.407,"body":"midst of, you know, not really, not really knowing how this all"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1576.407,"endTime":1579.188,"body":"fits together yet into a coherent whole."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1580.087,"endTime":1583.488,"body":"We s- we s- we are so appreciative of you all, and so"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1583.488,"endTime":1585.688,"body":"proud of how you re- are representing"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1586.207,"endTime":1588.508,"body":"not only Talbot School of Theology, but representing the"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1588.508,"endTime":1589.208,"body":"Kingdom of God"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1590.028,"endTime":1594.748,"body":"in the midst of the war in Ukraine. So, Anna, thank you. We"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1594.748,"endTime":1599.067,"body":"really appreciate you being with us. This has been just a rich"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1599.067,"endTime":1602.657,"body":"conversation, and so delighted to have our listeners"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1603.448,"endTime":1607.807,"body":"on the prayer team for you, and the school going forward."},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1607.807,"endTime":1611.268,"body":"Thank you for the invitation, and thank you for"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1611.268,"endTime":1616.708,"body":"praying for us. We really feel that God's body, God's Church,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1616.708,"endTime":1617.488,"body":"is so big,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1618.268,"endTime":1619.248,"body":"because we feel"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1619.768,"endTime":1620.488,"body":"your concern"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1621.228,"endTime":1622.127,"body":"and your prayers,"},{"speaker":"Anna","startTime":1622.748,"endTime":1626.067,"body":"and I'm sure that your prayers keep us alive."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1626.067,"endTime":1628.788,"body":"Yeah. Well, we will continue to pray. We have"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1628.788,"endTime":1629.788,"body":"been for some time,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1630.387,"endTime":1634.008,"body":"and we will continue to pray. And for our listeners, I hope"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1634.008,"endTime":1636.748,"body":"you caught the gravity of that it's our prayers that are"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1636.748,"endTime":1641.907,"body":"keeping them alive, is the way they see it. So very profound."},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1641.907,"endTime":1643.038,"body":"So grateful for,"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1643.647,"endTime":1647.607,"body":"for you coming on with us, and, we will, you know, we will"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1647.607,"endTime":1650.367,"body":"continue to pray [clears throat] and continue to be grateful for"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1650.367,"endTime":1653.948,"body":"what God's doing in Ukraine and through the great work of Kyiv"},{"speaker":"Scott Rae","startTime":1653.948,"endTime":1657.448,"body":"Theological Seminary. 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