How to Help Kids Thrive Without Stickers, Stars, or Bribes with Dr Richard Ryan

In this episode of Cabin Chats, I connect with psychologist Dr. Richard Ryan, co-founder of Self-Determination Theory (SDT)—whose work has profoundly shaped the way I approach working with young people. We discuss why traditional schools often struggle with motivation, what actually drives kids (and adults!) to learn, and how we can practically support autonomy, competence, and genuine connection in education and beyond. Richard shares powerful insights on using rewards effectively, building meaningful relationships, and embracing AI as an educational tool. This conversation has completely refreshed my perspective on what it means to help others truly flourish—I hope it does the same for you.

Self Determination Theory, Richard Ryan, Jack Schott, Motivation, Education, Intrinsic Motivation, Autonomy, Student Engagement

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Chapters

• 0:30 Introduction & Intrinsic Motivation
• 2:49 Why Schools Fail at Motivation
• 4:22 The Problem with High Stakes Testing
• 12:26 Understanding Real Motivation (External to Intrinsic)
• 15:00 Autonomy vs. Freedom (They’re Not the Same!)
• 25:02 Why Kids Need to Feel Liked by Their Teachers
• 28:26 Pizza Rewards: Why Traditional Rewards Fail
• 37:05 Embracing AI in Education
• 40:18 What Is School Really For?
• 42:30 Misunderstandings of Self-Determination Theory
• 44:01 Final Thoughts & Resources