Holly the OT

EP 48: Tips for Thriving Early in Your OT Career

February 04, 2024 Holly Gawthorne Season 1 Episode 48
Holly the OT
EP 48: Tips for Thriving Early in Your OT Career
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Speaker 1:

G'day guys and welcome to Holly the OT podcast. My name is Holly and I am an occupational therapist looking to create a judgement free zone for all OT students, new grads and early year therapists. Join me as I give my honest opinions on the highs and the lows and the ins and the outs of being an OT. Before I start today's episode, I'd like to acknowledge the Wujak Nongar people who are the traditional custodians of the land. This episode was recorded G'day. Everyone, welcome back to another episode of Holly the OT podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in and being here for another episode, episode number two of 2024, with some absolute crack in episodes to come. Let me tell you Now, if you're listening to this and wondering, wow, holly, you sound so crystal clear and better than you have in the last 10 episodes Well, I have a new microphone. If you follow me on the gram you would have seen yeah, purchased a new microphone. I think it sounds like better. It definitely sounds better, but I'm still trying to figure out like the room that I record in and it's not really sound proof and it's a working progress. You guys know that I don't have any skill set in podcasting other than I've just been doing it for about a year now and I have just kept going with it. So that's my only knowledge of podcasting. So I hope this sounds much better for you guys. Hopefully I bought it for you guys as a little present, as a little starter. 2024, here's a Prezi. I bought you a new mic so you didn't have to listening to my crackle and my poor audio quality, because I know when I listen to a podcast I honestly hate when it's got that audio quality and then I realized it was me. I was the problem. Any ho, I hope you enjoy. Let me know if it sounds better, sounds worse. Love your feedback.

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As always, today's episode is specifically for my new grads, but I think everyone will probably get something out of this. I know this is a good discussion point, but it is all about life as a new grad. You guys have started as new grads. This was probably going to be specifically more towards a pediatric caseload, but there's probably things that are beneficial for all new grads. But it's just going to be like my top tips. I think I've got 10. I haven't counted, so maybe 10 tips it's not going to be every tip that's going to make you survive and have the best new grad year, but it's going to be some good tips, I think. I think they're pretty good, if I say so myself.

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But before we get into those, of course, high and lows, as we used to do. God, sometimes high and lows. Sometimes I just leave letters off the end of words. High and lows. Let's do my high and lows, highs and lows, more like it. Highs and lows for the last well, three-ish weeks. I haven't recorded for a little while, but we'll just do this week.

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My high is that I have created a product and it's being manufactured at the moment. I hope you can hear this whispering, but I'm not going to tell you any more about it. But that's my high. It's going to be really exciting. My low is that I oh, if you follow me on the gram, I posted a vlog of my outreach trip and it was so windy and I hate to be that guy.

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I hate to be the one that complains about the wind, but it was so bad. And for those who don't know, when I do my outreach trips, I camp in my four-wheel drive with my rooftop tent, for no reason other than that is my personal choice. I can absolutely stay in hotels and motels and friends have offered me houses and stuff. It's very much a personal choice, so I cannot complain. But in my rooftop tent, if anyone goes camping, you'll know that when it's windy it just flaps and it was just a constant flap and I can usually get to sleep pretty easily. I have no issues with sleeping, particularly in the tent. I usually sleep quite well because you've got the breeze and it's just really beautiful, the sounds of nature, it's very wholesome.

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But I reckon it wasn't until 2pm until I actually got to sleep. I tried ocean sounds, I had earmuffs in, I had what else did I try? Or a sleep story, and nothing helped. And then, yeah, I probably had a good three hours of sleep and then my alarm went off at five o'clock and I snoozed it. But yeah, I had to get up pretty soon after. So I was just tired and when you're working pediatrics you can't really be tired and just, yeah, my day was a bit of a doozy, a bit of a flop, but that's okay, they happen.

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I'm on outreach again tomorrow when I'm recording this. I don't know when I'm releasing it, but yeah, I'm on outreach tomorrow and I've booked myself a hotel. I don't think it's going to be windy again, but the wind was so bad that I'm like surely it hasn't just disappeared, because I think it's like a cyclone thing that's happening. Anyway, booked myself a hotel and I'm actually excited for it. It could be the start of something new of having hotels when I go away, but I don't know. I do like camping, but we'll see. I'll report back next week. But yeah, that's my low Cool. Shall we get into the app? I don't know if I've got anything else to update you on other than that secret news that I'm not telling you anymore about right now, but it'll be fun. Yeah, that'll do me. Let's get into the app, shall we? Well, actually jokes, I'm back.

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I have a question for everyone those who work in pediatrics does anyone know of any good training or courses or webinars or information things on dysgraphia and even dyscalculia? Yeah, it's an area that I am showing more interest in. I'd like to know a little bit more about. I had a little bit of a Google search, but I want to know from people that have done the courses, because I want to ask specific questions about what you learn. I know the fundamentals of it, I understand how to treat it, but I just want to know a little bit more about the reason why. Yeah, yeah, if you've done any courses, let me know. I've also had one of the girls that I do mentoring with Winston as well, so you'll be helping two fellow OTs, so message me. Okay, now we'll do the episode.

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Alrighty, today's episode is for my new grads, those who have just started out 2024 as an OT. What an incredibly exciting, equally daunting, a little bit nerve-wracking, unknown time that you've stepped into, and I'm just so incredibly excited for so many of you. I had so many messaging me sort of towards last year, letting me know of the jobs that you got and how you found that interview process, and I'm here to sort of make this a regular thing, like let's check in at all stages of your journey. You've got the job. Now you started working. This is time to sort of put into practice all those things that this podcast has been talking about for so long. And, yeah, I'm just so excited for everyone to be on this part of their journey. It's such an incredibly exciting time and you also be really proud of yourselves for getting here. It's no main feat. I've said it before and I'll say again, but graduating as an OT is not easy, and we need to remind ourselves of that achievement. So congratulations Now, sort of thinking about what I wanted to put in this episode and there's a few different avenues I wanted to go down and, like I said, this is going to be a series and we're going to talk about it pretty regularly over the next few weeks and months and stuff, but I really just wanted those sort of like really practical tips that you guys can put into practice and just even start thinking about.

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Like I said in the intro, it's going to be a predominantly directed to pediatrics, purely because that is my predominant case. So that's about 90% peeds, 10% not peeds, but there is definitely things that you'll be able to put into practice, regardless of what area you are working in. What I just want to be the main point, though, before I get into my little tips and tricks, is an advice whatever you want to call it, is just to run your own race at this point of your career. It's very easy, particularly if you're working in an organization I'm going to kind of pronounce my words today particularly if you're working in an organization that is quite large and maybe has multiple new grads. It's just really important, just like being a student it's no different to run your own race and not compare your progress, your clinical progress, your mental progress, your just your overall progress, with any other OTs around you.

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I've spoken before about how your success as a new grad is determined by so many different things. And I don't mean success is in like an immediate sort of gratification way for what you're doing, but more so is like how you're going to achieve your goals and how long that's going to take you. It's going to depend on what placements you did. It's going to depend on what work you did. For some people this might be the first time they've had a serious job and I say serious in inverted commas, which might be a good time to introduce the video into this aspect, but serious in it's. You know it's not just a retail job, it's not just a hospitality job. There is a specific purpose that you are gaining out of this employment and it's not to dismiss retail and hospitality jobs at all. But for some people it might even just be their first job altogether. I went to uni with plenty of people that didn't work throughout uni and I think with the cost of living that's probably getting less and less likely, but it is potential.

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So your work experience, your student experience, your personality how are you going to respond to the demands of being an OT? Even in the most positive of workplaces, there will be demands of being an OT that you are not used to. It's tiring. Even with an eased-in caseload, even with realistic billable hours, even with a really relaxed time, you're going to be tired. Everyone responds to that differently. What's your out-of-home life like? All of these different things are going to contribute to what the next six months of your being an OT looks like.

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So please do not compare to the stories that you hear on this podcast. Please do not compare to the people around you. Please just run your own race and you will get there when you get there. That's my main point. Now, if there are any experienced therapists that are listening to this, or just anyone in general, just remember that these are my opinions. These are what work for me.

Speaker 1:

Obviously, I am one person. I do not have the answer for everything. I do not have experience in every area. I try my best to cover a wide variety of tips and suggestions and la-de-da, but it seems these days everyone likes to have an opinion. So just a forefront before I get into them, I won't be able to please everyone, so please don't come for me. But my point number one, let's get it to it.

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My point number one is one of the common things that you are told as a new grad is to say you know, if someone asks you something and you don't know the answer, it's okay to say no and that is one of the best bits of advice you will ever give. But it's also a little bit tricky to know exactly how to word that, because if a parent is sitting with you and they give you a really long-winded sort of question and then you just say back to them I'm not really sure I'm going to have to get back to you, which is what you want the outcome of that conversation to be, you can almost feel like you're doing a little bit of a disservice and you're not giving them that thorough sort of clinical justification. The worst thing you can do is just sort of give them answers that you don't know or that you're not certain on. That's not what I'm saying, because you absolutely need to be honest when you do not know. But yeah, it can feel a little bit like oh, I didn't really answer the question and I sort of given them nothing. What I like to do in those situations is sort of run them through my thought process, run them through what I'm thinking when they ask that question.

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Often, if someone asks you a question and you don't know the answer, and then you say I'm not sure I'll get back to you, which is the perfect response, but then you'll go away and you'll think, oh, I actually need more information on this, more information on this, more information on this. And I didn't really get that because I was too worried to sort of overstep and sort of delve into something that I don't know. So in this situation, what I like to do, if it's a question that I don't know the answer to, is that unpack it a little bit more. So if it's perhaps a question on hey, billy Joe isn't toilet trained and I want to know what can I do? And for the instance, billy Joe is three, he's non-speaking and he's autistic, in your head you're like well, I haven't really done anything through toilet training yet, so I'm just going to say look, not my area. I'll talk to my supervisor and get back to you, which is great, like that's great.

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But the supervisor is going to ask you OK. Do they know wet and dry concepts? Do they show any indication when they needed to go to the toilet? Do they suffer any constipation, Do they? You know all these different things and I know it's about knowing enough about that area to know what questions to ask, but it's even just more so, just like can you give me a few other examples? Can you tell me about another time where this, this situation might have happened?

Speaker 1:

You want to run them through that thought process and give them sort of you know where your brain is heading and then just come back to it at the end in a nice little bundle and say but you know what? I'm not certain. So let's wait, we won't try anything new yet and I will come back to you with my answer. That's, look, everyone's going to be different in that Some people might not have any issues with just saying straight up I don't know. And that's the premise here. I'm not I'm not saying to fabricate something that you don't know, but yeah, just, you know you can work a different ways run them through your thought process and under Understand under, yeah, understand is what I'm trying to say Understand their question a little bit more often when you ask them a few more questions about their questions. You actually do know the answer. It's just the initial way they worded. It can be worded so differently to how you would have interpreted that question, so just keep that in mind.

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The other thing I really like to do, particularly in pediatrics again, is I like to do what's called onion questioning. This is what I tell myself, this is what I've told my students in the past Onion questioning what is an onion question? An onion question is a question that has layers. Every time you ask a parent a question and you're gathering some sort of history, I want you to think of an onion that has at least three layers.

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If I say to Mary, g'day, mary, how does Billy Joe go with having a shower? And she's like yeah, no, that's fine, billy Joe has a shower, great, no worries, no worries. And you're like OK, cool, that's great. And then, three months down the track, mary tells you oh yeah, showering is getting bad again. Like, billy Joe won't get in the shower. Billy Joe doesn't like when the temperature changes, billy Joe has to do it at a certain time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these different things. So in an instance where I say, mary, how does Billy Joe go with showering? And she says, yeah, fine, I'm going to then layer that question also okay, great, is he happy to start having a shower? Or does it take a little bit of convincing? And she might say, oh, you know, sometimes it's fine, but sometimes you know, I've really got a bribe him. And then you say, oh, and then once you sort of a bribe him, like, what's his motivation? Like, is he energetic, is he happy to do it? And she'll be like, oh, no, he actually doesn't really like sharing and he finds it quite difficult.

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But we work through it and often you know, when your first meeting parents, they're not wanting to disclose every single challenge they have and they wanted to sort of, you know, put on this really positive front, which is absolutely fair enough. But it's all about those secondary, third questions that you can ask to get more information. Another example might be you might ask about their feeding and you might say, oh, what's their feeding? Like I could eat a wide variety of foods, and the parents like, yeah, yeah, but the foods are fine, like no worries, like no issues there, and you're like, okay, cool, no worries. Really, what you should be asking is okay, what? What sort of varieties of foods today. Do they eat different colors to the eat different textures? And I'll say, oh, I haven't really ever thought about that, because often these are the first time he's parents are hearing these questions. And then when they reflect, they're like oh, actually they only eat this color. Well, they really only eight countries country Crunchy foods. I really only eat foods that come out of a packet. And my next question is going to be okay, and then what would happen if you introduce them in your food that that you hadn't sort of had seen before? Oh, no, that would be, that would be a big issue.

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So in an area where that parent might have thought they really was was nothing amiss, by doing your onion questioning, by going through those layers, you are figuring out your sort of diving a bit deeper. It's very easy. I remember I went to do my first ever report for my first ever one of my first clients that I'd seen, and I went to write the report. This was a child that was needing a significant increase in funding and I was writing my report and I was like the parents said they're fine in XYZ and I was like I don't know how I'm gonna pull these recommendations out of here and then I reflected with my supervisor and it turns out my questions were just way too superficial way to surface level and I didn't question anything. The parents said back to me. I ended up having another meeting with that parent and we went through more specific questions and I got so much information. So that is a really good tip. Onion, your questions.

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My next really important tip I think if you're working in pediatrics is you need to have fun. I know there's so much pressure when you first starting out and there's so many different things happening and contributing to the way you're feeling and your anxiety is in the pressure that you put on yourself. But if you're not having fun, I guarantee you that kid is not having as much fun as they could be. Your very first goal in pediatrics always should be Fun and engagement. Would rapport with that child before you even look at any interventions in a situation where the participant maybe only has a couple of sessions with you, maybe their private paying, maybe your business is More like a PC's in Medicare or private health, not so much the ongoing therapy like NDIS process where you know you're going to be seeing them for six 12 months minimum. Yeah, they can be a little bit more pressure to sort of go gun home with intervention, intervention, intervention and, yes, within reason, you have to sort of accelerate your therapy a little bit more.

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If you're limited in time, at the end of the day you should still be having fun, you should still be enjoying yourself and having that energy co regulate off you. And that's going to lead me into my next point, which I think it's really important. You know, having fun is all well and good, but think about the child that you're with and how your energy needs to match them. If you've got my mate, billy Joe, who gets mentioned every second podcast, he's nine, he's a typical sensory seeking, climbing, big energy, jumping, crashing, rough and tumble type of kid. So I'm going to match that energy. But then I've got six year old Sally Lou that comes in who is very timid, likes to play with dolls, typically very sensory avoidant, very just internalised with her emotions. I'm not going to have that same approach with her straight away. At least you need to co regulate your energy based off the child. Obviously effect and emotion and excitement are really good for those children who are a little bit more internalised, you know, to sort of get them out of their shells, but just keep in mind how you're going to approach them in your first few sessions and just sort of work it out.

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Don't go to gun hoe too quick. I have learned that the hard way. I'm in a big personality and I've had to sort of backtrack a few times and sort of take a breath, calm it down and sort of bring it back down to that child's level and where they're at Now. This is a very practical tip, this next one and it might not work for all of you, but oh lordy lord, it works for me and often when you first start, one of the quickest things that can sort of lead to that overwhelm is the paperwork and the notes and it's like all of a sudden you've got all this information in your head. You've got parents giving you information, you've got your employer giving you information, your colleagues, you've got your supervisor, you've got support coordinators ringing you like you've just got an overload of information. If you're anything like me, and that information can leave you as quickly as you pick it up, you will love voice to text.

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Now I use the app Auta. I've spoken about it on in here before. I'm god, bloody hell. I couldn't tell you which episode, but I love voice to text. I obviously, predominantly, am a mobile therapist. So if you are a mobile therapist as well, this is great. I just have hands free in the car like hey, siri, open Auta. Hey Siri, start recording. And I just voice to text my note. Sometimes it's almost perfect enough that I can just copy and paste that straight into my note, but if it's not, I've at least got the crunch and lack the core of what I want my note to be. Do I have to change a bit of spelling? Yeah, format it a bit differently depends on if I'm sending it on. But just the pure time saving of voice to texting my notes, like if you're a fully mobile therapist and you're on the road all day and you get back to your office or you get back to your house, however your setup is and you're like alright, I've got to do my note for my nine o'clock client. You've had five other clients that day and you're like I do not remember, so try voice to text or even just a quick like dot point down if you're not doing your full note in that moment.

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I, even when I worked in clinic, I sometimes, if I had a really busy day. I sometimes would put my like air pods in and I would voice to text, as I was like packing up and setting up the room and the order app specifically and I'm sure there's a million others as well but this one just then like emails it straight to you afterwards like the transcript. So it's really great save your time. Voice to text your notes. It is a lifesaver.

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Now another very practical tip. I think and this one again is hard to sort of get your head around that it's the right way, but please don't feel pressure to over complicate your sessions and have something new and exciting every single session. Please don't go down the rabbit hole of Pinterest and Instagram and see all these incredible, incredible activities and ideas and resources and think that every single session you do has to match that, because it's not practical and it's not necessary. Obviously, it's so great to sort of let your creativity have fun and go wild and come up with all these really unique ideas, but in a pediatric space, there's nothing truly more important than repetition and trying something again and to fall down the trap of needing to, especially while you're starting out, needing to do something new every session. You just don't have that capacity. Yet, whether you like it or not, I'm so sorry, but you don't have that activity bank in your brain to be able to really quickly, on the fly, come up with all these extravagant activity ideas. So then you're spending a lot of time into planning sessions and probably correct me if I'm wrong looking into things at home when you should be switching off and not doing work. And, yeah, just try to over complicate it while you're still learning, while you're starting out.

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Do not be afraid to repeat. I honestly reckon, like I am mobile, so I am limited in the stuff that I can do, in that I don't have all this U-Beauty equipment because I can't fit 10 swings in my car, but I am honestly repeating the same activities all the time because they work and the kids like them and they don't care that they're doing the same things again when they like them. And there are so many minute changes that you can make to the same activity, to step it up or step it down, depending on how they performed last time and I hate that word perform it. I want to throw up that. It just came out of my mouth, but you know what I mean like how they engaged with it last time. There's so many different ways you can amplify that or or bring it down if needed. So please have fun with your sessions and have fun being creative and and planning really cool things, but don't fall into the trap of feeling like you need to do that every single session. It's not necessary and it will be exhausting for you.

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Two more points before we wrap this up, and holly being holly, I didn't count, so if you're a counter, sorry, but two more things. So my second last one is, obviously every workplace is going to be really, really different, and I'm crossing my fingers and my toes that you have landed yourself in a really great workplace, and even the best workplaces aren't immune from conflicts or from, you know, issues that need to be brought up or discussions that need to be had. It's all about sort of how they're dealt with. If you find yourself in one of those incredible workplaces or if you find yourself on the other end of the spectrum and you're sort of you know, getting that inkling that it might not be all that it was cracked up to be, my only advice is to bring your concerns to the table sooner rather than later. I know no one wants to cause a fuss and no one wants to be, you know, that picky employee that's always got something to complain about.

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And when you do things the right way and when you're conscious of how you're delivering feedback or how you're sort of questioning decisions, it doesn't come across as complaining. It comes across as self-advocacy and standing up for yourself, and there's a right and wrong way to do that and everyone's going to be different in their you know communication styles, with how that is done, whether it's over email or whether it's, you know, in person, in meetings, during supervision, whatever it is. But if there is something churning in your gut that you don't think feels right or that you know made you feel a certain way that wasn't a positive emotion, please bring it up earlier. Nine times out of 10, like I said in a wonderful workplace, anytime you bring up something that made you feel anxious or something that you weren't quite sure with or you didn't agree with, it will get instantaneously nipped in the butt and it will be dealt with on the spot or, if not, soon after. If you stew on things and if you, you know, have these things in your back, at the back of your mind, and you don't bring them up, they are either going to worsen in your head and you're going to sort of overthink every other situation, or they're just never going to resolve and and you're going to constantly, constantly be worrying about these things that are happening.

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In a positive workplace, you bring these things up and they get dealt with. And then if you are in a workplace where things get brought up and they don't get dealt with, I'm of the belief that you would rather know that sooner rather than later. If you bring up something now, one month in, and it doesn't get dealt with appropriately, that's a pretty big red flag for me, whereas if you wait until nine, 10 months, where it's just all too much and you have a bit of a meltdown at work which happens and I cross my fingers that it doesn't but if that's your first time bringing it up and that's your first time to see their sort of conflict resolution style and see how they manage these things that happen in workplace, in any workplace, that happens everywhere, then that's like you've wasted all this time. And yeah, I don't want to sort of put negative thoughts in anyone's heads or sort of preempt that something is going to happen, but there will always be a reason that you need to have tricky conversations in a workplace and it's how they deal with it. That is what most is most important. So please don't wait, don't hesitate, communicate your thoughts to the team that are around you and, yes, I will be releasing a rap album with that incredibly unintentional rhyme. It just comes straight off my lips, doesn't it? Honestly, I could have an album. Watch this space. That's my secret product that I'm releasing. Okay, and my final tip for you guys, just for this episode. Like I said, there will be more to come, but this is particularly what was I saying about having a rap album. That was not good. This is particularly important in the pediatric space, particularly if you have little ears around, little friends that are listening into everything that you're saying. Please be conscious of the conversations you are having and please be conscious of who is listening.

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It's very easy to fall into the trap of just getting carried away with conversations with parents, and every parent will be different in this sense. You have some parents that will not speak a single word about their child's challenges in front of that child. Some are to the point where they're struggling to come to terms with the fact that their child is needing a little bit of assistance. You will get other parents who, for whatever reasons and everyone has their own communication styles again, but they will just They'll blurt it all out. It's great that they're so comfortable and it's great that they are open with these things with their children around, but it's also not always within the best interest.

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Yeah, look, there's a million different scenarios that could play into this, but I've come to the conclusion that I do all my initial assessments or phone calls or whatever, just with the parent. I used to do them with the parent and the child. Now I just don't think it's appropriate and some of the questions you're probing into, it's not up to you to decide if that's when that child's ready to hear those conversations. That's up to the parent. And sometimes parents have trouble knowing when they can stand up to a health professional and say, no, I don't feel comfortable having this conversation right now because my child is here. Just really be conscious of that. I can go into that, my thoughts around that, a little bit more in another episode, but in a way it is a little bit of common sense. But it's also something that very easily gets overlooked, because one of the trickiest things about pediatrics working in the pediatric spaces. You've got the child that you're working with, but you've also got the family, and with that comes different personalities, different communication styles. Like I said, communication styles 78 times this episode, but it's so important to be considerate of that and, yeah, just something to be aware of. Alrighty, I think that's going to do for this app.

Speaker 1:

Like I said, these are not all the tips that are going to be helpful, but these are just some ones that might be helpful as you're starting out. I would really really appreciate it if there are any sort of experienced therapists that have anything additional you would like to add. Like I said at the start, I am just one person and I always want to make these podcasts as holistic as possible. So please, please, please. If you have anything you would like to add to sort of this new grad series, hit me up. You can either let me know the tip you want me to put through or, if you're super passionate and you want to jump on the other end of the mic and come and have a chat with me, let me know. The more positive vibes and advice that we can be getting out there for our new grads is ideal, so hit me up Holly. The OT podcast on Instagram Link is always in the show notes.

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But that's a wrap for today's app and 2024 is no difference. We will be finishing all episodes again with a fun fact and I have got a cracker for you today. Did you know, for today's unrelated to OT fun fact, that your thumb and your nose are the same size? Get your thumbs out, put it up to your nose, they're the same size. Unless your name is Cain Fulport and you're my boyfriend and you've got short, stumpy thumbs, then this does not apply to you. But for everyone else, your thumbs are the same size as your nose. Go figure, who would have thought and who came up with that? Like, who was just sitting there one day like, oh, oh, my God, my fingers on my nose and they're the same size. That's so crazy. Wow, riveting stuff, riveting stuff.

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Hey guys, if you're not over, in the Facebook group, I am posting every Monday a new grad check-in. We're getting a little bit of engagement, but you know there could always be more. But I'm trying to be consistent with it and you know, when you start off with something, you've just got to sort of put it out there and I'm sure the good conversations will come. So if you want to come over and join the podcast group, I have got the link in my bio on Instagram. Come and check it out. It's just going to grow and grow and grow. We've got about a hundred members now, which is wild, wild, wild, wild.

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This whole thing is wild. Me having a podcast is wild. Having people that listen is wild. Having a Facebook group wild. So go over and join. Like I said, exciting things coming soon. Not to like be fishy and like be annoying, I hate to be that person but, yeah, really, really stoked with everything that's coming. Life is busy, but life is bloody good at the same time. So thank you so much for tuning in Some really great episodes coming for you soon and I just can't wait to share them with you. I hope you enjoyed the video.

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