Mindset Artistry

Embracing the Pivot: Transforming Your Creative Career

Amanda DeBraux & Janel Koloski

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Introduction to Mindset Artistry Podcast

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This is the Mindset Artistry Podcast . I'm Amanda DeWoe , an actor or actress per your reference and an inner voice life coach , and I'm Janelle Pulaski , an actor and career and mindset coach .

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We're your hosts and we're here to flip your mindset , to teach you the artistry of what we learned , to keep your mind in check .

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Over the course of our lives , we've taken on the journey of healing , living and being authentically ourselves , as we successfully built our individual careers in the entertainment industry .

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This podcast is designed for you so you can discover your goals and courageously reach them at your highest potential , while being a hundred and thousand percent yourself .

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What you'll get from us is real dirty and okay , a little more like a lot of quirky , along with special elite guests that nurture empathy and create a safe space without judgment . So get ready to build a mindset that is unapologetically you and excel beyond the stars . Welcome to the Mindset Artistry Podcast .

The Importance of Pivoting in Creative Careers

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That's good . Welcome back to another episode of Mindset Artistry Podcast . I'm super excited because Amanda and I are right next to each other .

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We're in the same room . It's been a while . It's been a while , so we're very excited about this , and today we're going to talk about how to pivot in your creative career . It can be very scary . The ego can step in Like , well , I put acting and writing down for a little while , I'm giving up on my life . Forever it's over . But that's not how it is . We want to talk to you about the importance of pivoting and actually how it can enhance your creativity .

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When you're getting burned out , you got to take a break .

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So you got to identify what's working and what's not , leverage your existing skills in a new way . I'm always talking about this and taking action and testing the waters , but you know , like in a small way , you don't have to jump dive in fully , and I always have this role like let me just give it 90 days . Yeah , you know , and you really know whether you can stay in it or you need to switch . So I learned I had to do this early on , because when I started to model , I thought , oh , I'll be on runway and magazines and I did a little bit of that , but it really wasn't making me money . So then I had to think like , okay , I need to pivot . I need to see the other type of modeling . I want to focus on acting too , and it was super scary , but that's how I found production fit . Before we jump into these points , amanda , y'all tell me about pivoting in your life and mostly like , also how you work through the fear of it , because I had a little bit of like , oh I don't know .

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Oh no , fear exists . I don't think I don't think people realize that I do have a

Facing Fear When Making Career Changes

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lot of fear . Just face it . I confront it a lot and I'm also excited by fear now .

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So before , fear used to be very crippling . It used to . I used to criticize myself . I used to like become reclusive and like not talk to anybody . And then I recognized the importance of this fear . This fear was allowing me to level up in my life . This fear was telling me something needed to change , something needed to shift . It was telling me all right , take some action .

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There's something you're not doing , there's something you could be doing , or maybe there's something you're just not recognizing around you and you have to just pause for a second , recalibrate yourself , reconnect with yourself . Maybe you've evolved since the last time that you've done that and you no longer have an interest in what you're doing . Or maybe you just go . Okay , I liked this version or this part of the project or job . Maybe I'm going to focus on that instead of putting my energy into something that's draining me , that's causing me a lot of stress and anxiety and a lot had to do with me deciding to pivot careers simultaneously and taking that leap of faith of going . I'm going to leave my nine to five job and that came with security , that came with health insurance , all the things , and it's like , all right , I'm gonna go into a career . Now that is really unpredictable , like I literally jumped into the unknown , the abyss of like uncertainty and but trusting that , no matter what happened , it would all work out the way it was supposed to . And I was in a place in my life that I was ready , even though there was a lot of fear surrounding it . But I mean , it took me two years before I decided to actually leave my day job at that time .

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But for me , pivoting is so important because I've learned a lot about myself and what I'm capable of . What I'm capable of what , what I'm capable of , what I might learn , new skills . I also had a thing where I had so many I have so many skills and I overlook them a lot . Like I'm really talented in certain things and I'm like , oh yeah , that's fine , it's easy . And I'm like , wait a minute , that's a skill that can be utilized and make money or help somebody else or put it into work in ways that I never did before . So pivoting and understanding and pausing is so important because you can leverage your life in ways that you weren't able to do without recognizing that something needed to change , and things like that . So for me pivoting is it happens a lot nowadays , especially with society , and the way things are going especially with a career .

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Yeah , you know , doing the podcast , like that , was something I don't think I've ever thought that I would ever do , because I hated talking like this Social media stuff . I was like I'm not sure in my life no one cares , like no one likes my stuff . And now look at me , I have like three different accounts and , again , understanding that pivoting , so I want to share about that too . Like understanding there are different careers and different skill sets , that sometimes they need to not always be under one house or one profile or one thing . You can

Leveraging Skills in New Ways

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also dedicate roads to that and like certain Instagrams and things like that , because everything gets convoluted and then people get distracted and they don't know how to see you because it's too much . You're like throwing it in their face .

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I can do this .

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I can do this , I can do this , I can do this .

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It's like chill , give me a second , what do you do ?

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And then like , well , yeah , I do this and I do this and I do this , but you know , my focus is here , and so it gives people a sense of clarity , of how to how you fit in their world , in their mind , but also you standing on ground and say this is what I do .

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What's up ? Yeah , it's all in the confidence , and I love that . You talk about the power of the pause . Yeah , and it's scary because usually when I'm pausing all the scary thoughts come up and then I'm like I want to avoid them . But if you let them run their course , then when you find that peace and your intuition can really tell you which way to go no-transcript , take my hours she have her baby , she comes back , which is really nice , and and then you know I'll have the money to like , maybe travel somewhere that I need to , to be a local hire , like you really got to trust the universe or whatever you believe in that when you sit with the pause , your intuition will tell you it's okay to chill and do this . And then you know I want to work on a documentary about my family and I've been talking about that for 10 years . So and I was just saying to Amanda I met this wonderful woman .

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She's like in her 60s and she's interviewing me for a modeling job , but she said she wanted to do fashion in her 20s . She came to New York . She's like this isn't it ? I'm not ready for this , not for me . And then she moved back to the Midwest . She had a big family and she's so happy about that . But she did interior design and now you know you spoke about leveraging your skills . She talked about that . She's like I interior design is design , design is design is design . And of course , you have to like work on the different craft and technique of each thing . But she's bringing all that she learned into this new fashion career and that's the beauty of pivoting .

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So , instead of starting over , you're finding ways to repurpose your talents , and clarity is important , which Amanda will talk more about . It's okay to do multiple things as a creative . That's that's . That's not a bad thing . And also he's talked about how it gives you empathy for other creatives and and what their life is like and what they bring to the table .

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You know , I had a friend that was super into social media and I wanted nothing to do with it either . But then when we got the podcast , we like we got to do this , yeah , yeah and um , I had a whole new respect for it , because it's nice to feedback . We get like oh , I really need to hear that today . So this thing of putting yourself out there on social media , people won't like , like a lot of it , but then there's going to be someone that you , like your message , might encourage . So I think that's super beautiful , and just to think about your transferable skills whenever you want to pivot . But then you meet new people . It offers a way to build new relationships and , as a creative , all of those can cross over . So , before we get to our final point , taking small action , what else are you going to share about that ? And the clarity ?

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Yeah , I think what I discovered is that the thing that I was most resistant against is something that I need to work on the most . Right , because doing social media , I was afraid of showing myself . There's a deeper . There's always a deep root Resistance , fear , anxiety or mindset or thought that's associated with that fear . So , for me , social media like I'm putting myself out there , like who cares about what I look like in my life and , you know , growing up and feeling very awkward , I didn't feel the most beautiful . Like it was just all these things that were like in the back of my mind , the root of myself that I was identifying with that caused resistance , resistance against putting myself out there and showcasing what I

Finding Clarity During Transitions

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can do and like without judgment , like you know and my friends know , like listen , I'm gonna be myself or whatever , but like showcasing that to the world . It felt very personal to me because I hadn't come to grips yet with who I truly was . And that's why I coach with empowerment and coach with authenticity , because once you do , you have this resilience that , no matter what you try , it's okay if you fail . You don't get it the first time or the second or maybe the third or fourth , and that's okay because you're going to get something from it and it's going to redirect you . It's going to reposition you and you may have learned something , a skill that you can transition into something else . So for me , you know , once I addressed that resistance with social media , I found a love and joy for it and now I actually in talking about leveraging your skills . Now I'm doing the podcast , working in corporate . I love organizing and doing things on the computer and putting things , crafting things and social media . So now I'm helping other people do that and I get paid for it . So it's now recognizing that I actually have a joy for it and , oh shit , I can get paid and this is great because I , again , I enjoy doing it , I have skill sets in it , I've been doing it for a while , I don't mind doing it . So this is something that I learned about myself .

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Again , it's something that you have to do with that clarity of diving in , like dive into your mindset of why it feels resistant , why you feel fearful about it of times . Our fears and anxieties and thoughts are not tied to our true selves . They're tied to society's expectations of us , our family's backstory , other people's failures , fear that they didn't do it . So maybe you can't do it because they didn't know how to do it . And it's like baby , that's not you . You were here . You're here for a reason . You have a unique story that matters and you need to do it on your own . A lot of times we're afraid of doing it on our own , because who do we blame if we fail ? Who do we blame if it doesn't fall through and we're not consistent with our goals and our aspirations and the things that we're looking to achieve ?

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No one else , baby , but ourselves . No one can stop you better than you can stop yourself , because we are our own worst enemies . So , again , leveraging your skill set , and you may recognize that I didn't know that this skill was actually something that I can use and help someone . So take a moment and look at and write down what one , what the things that you enjoy doing and the things that come easy to you too , and three things that you've learned , like skills and maybe new skills you learn , no matter how small they may be . Look at these cooks on social media doing cooking . I'm like , well , this is entertaining , let me try that . Yeah , leveraging it . And now what they're making money . They're collaborating with their like dream people and brands .

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Like there's so much work out there , there's so much money out there , and I was always afraid of that . Money feels limited , money feels hard to attain and working through that mindset of it's not , there's always money to be earned . And once you understand that , you move differently , people see you differently , people respect you differently and you can articulate yourself in any room and go yeah , I mean , I know that , but okay , tell me more . Tell me about that . Well , okay , good , that's something I'm going to look up . So , again , something I'm going to research . So these are things again once you tap into that mindset , once you tap into your authenticity , you're able to go . I'm going to try this , I'm okay . So yeah , again , and take your time . It's not something that's going to happen overnight .

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Yeah , follow the joy , follow what feels good and trust that . That's right , I think . I mean I had guilt coming up , like you said . You said you really want to do this and you know you're going to veer away from it .

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But then if you start to fall out of love with something you know you might need a little space and a little clarity . I have a friend that's a writer and he's just like I . Got to do this many pages and this

Taking Action and Following Joy

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many hours and then he said , oh , I came skiing with you , janelle , and then he got like a thousand more ideas just because he took a break and he did something . He moved his legs instead of his mind .

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Like you know , it really matters . So I mean this is and I love that you brought up his mindset uh , shift tips and writing those things down . And then also , something really helped me is asking people may feel a little awkward , but what am I good at If something comes easy to you ? You have no idea . So ask your community , ask your family , like what is something that just seems to come naturally to me ? It's just so wonderful , like all the types of jobs that you can find , yeah , so and you're not realizing you're undervaluing yourself by doing that right .

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A lot of times we undervalue what we can do and what we're capable of . So that's something ask your community , ask around you . What do you see that I'm good at ? Oh , I didn't notice that about myself . That's great . Thank you for letting me know .

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Yeah , it's hard to see . You know you're in your own head , so that's why it's so helpful and allow yourself to feel the ego come up or the fear , or the pain . And a lot of times I think people will ask us when did you know , like how much time ? Like six months or a year or two years ? Or when did you know this is this ? And that's why I just say the 90 day rule , just say I'm going to do this for 90 days and , like you know small steps and take it slow . You know what I'm going to take . This class that's for , like I don't know , four weeks or eight weeks and see if it still excites me at the end I'm going to explore this .

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Or if you really try for 90 days and you feel like , okay , I don't know if I really want to pivot fully here , then you didn't waste too much time , it's okay , you still have time in your life . It's really scary . It's scary to try something new or to step away from something you've known . Life is a beautiful journey and it's super excited to see how you get to where you want to be , and leading with authenticity is always the way that you find that . And I don't know . We were just talking about this . I can't remember specifically what it was about , but it's just , was it like the airplane ? And then the woman coming up to me in the thrift store ?

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she bought me a jacket . Oh , yeah , the energies , yeah , the abundance , yeah yeah , live in the abundance of things . And when you do , people start gravitating towards you and they genuinely like , let me share that with you , let me add to your life . And it's like the as one of my friends told me , which it was hard for me to grasp , is the universe is going to gift you or wherever you believe in , god . Right , even if it sounds stupid . It was like , oh , they give me a dollar , or like , jump in line in front of me . These are gifts , don't deny them . Yeah , because when you deny these gifts , you're also denying the universe , the divine , who's trying to help you elevate or help you experience , or help you expand . And so a simple thing of like , we were going skiing , which , hello , I went skiing .

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And we were like crossing paths .

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I was crossing paths , you know , and we were going to drop that in there and someone offered us a beer and he was like oh , I'll buy you a beer .

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They're just like oh , I'll buy you a beer . I was like nah , it's okay .

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My friend looked at me . She's like absolutely not , amanda , someone is offering you a gift . That is a universe , god , offering you gifts . Do not deny that , because then you're denying him or whoever you believe in . And it's like you're right . You got to recognize these things .

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And I'm grateful for that . So now I'm on the path .

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Don't be afraid to do a part two .

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There's too much to say . It's too much . We got to go find more mountains and hot springs right now . Yes , but if you have any questions , we love your feedback , comments . You know , send us a message . We're your community , we love you , and natives have so many talents like you know . The Renaissance age , right , yeah , and

Closing Thoughts on Authenticity and Abundance

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you're just channeling art . You're all beautiful . Whatever type of art that you make , it's just , I think , just to make the world like a better place and to unify us as humanity . So just , you know , go with the flow .

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We love you . Yes , we love you and we see you . You matter .

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And that's a wrap on this episode of Mindset Artistry Podcast . Don't forget to like , share and subscribe . Catch us every Thursday for a new episode to help you master the art of your mindset . Yeah , we got it . Yes , Okay , cool .