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Well, I'll tell you what,"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":634.49,"endTime":640.1,"body":"that sounds like a good place to"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":634.49,"endTime":640.1,"body":"stop. This is again, episode"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":640.1,"endTime":646.58,"body":"one. What we've covered is, is a"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":640.1,"endTime":646.58,"body":"start."},{"speaker":"Meghan Smallwood","startTime":646.58,"endTime":646.64,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":646.91,"endTime":650.39,"body":"So we're gonna"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":646.91,"endTime":650.39,"body":"go ahead and sign off on episode"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":650.39,"endTime":654.53,"body":"one. And hopefully we'll get"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":650.39,"endTime":654.53,"body":"some listeners who come back and"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":654.68,"endTime":656.78,"body":"listen to episode two. Thanks,"},{"speaker":"Patrick Cadigan","startTime":654.68,"endTime":656.78,"body":"everyone."},{"speaker":"Meghan Smallwood","startTime":657.14,"endTime":657.71,"body":"Thanks."}]}