The Noras Aren't Etiquette Experts...But Know Someone Who Is!

Ever wondered what lengths people might go to for a quick buck, or how a tomato wine pairs with your favorite slice? Join us for a heartening and humorous journey as we recount our latest family adventures, from tree lighting ceremonies and Christmas card photos to the joy of celebrating a 9 year-old's birthday. We pause to chuckle at a peculiar news story from California where a couple's insurance fraud involving a bear costume and a Rolls Royce went hilariously awry, and share our skeptical curiosity about Pizza Hut's unconventional holiday tomato wine.

Etiquette takes center stage as we navigate the nuanced world of manners with inspiration from the British School of Excellence. From the delicate art of greetings to the modern challenge of "fubbing," we explore how to maintain respect in our tech-obsessed world. Our cultural etiquette tour highlights charming traditions worldwide, from India's understated "thank you" to France's important shopkeeper salutations. Alongside these cultural gems, we share personal victories and hiccups, like rediscovering a spa gift card and battling a lost voice, while reminding you to stay in touch with us on social media as we usher in Thanksgiving with gratitude and good cheer.

A special thanks to Margherita Lutz for joining us again to answer our pressing etiquette questions! 

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:07

Hi, thanks for joining us today. It's Nora and Nora, we're sure glad you're here today. We are glad you're here and I'm glad you're here, yes, and able to be heard. I am also glad. I'm sorry that we had a little hiccup.

Speaker 2 0:20

Oh, A hitch in our giddyup.

Speaker 1 0:22

A hitch in our giddyup. My heart just broke for you because you sounded like you were in pain. Yes, I listeners lost my voice for an entire week. Yeah, it was bad, but I was not in pain and I was not sick. I just didn't have a voice. And so here we are, a day late and a dollar short here. Nonetheless, yes, what have you been up to? Well, I have been busy, I have to say. We did a lovely grandparents day thing together at nas.

Speaker 2 0:51

That was sweet oh, that was very nice, that was nice, I've been cleaning closets.

Speaker 1 0:56

That's been really exciting, okay, but actually we went to the museum of science and industry tree lighting on saturday which was delightful.

Speaker 1 1:05

Whole fan bam, whole fan bam, minus Aiden, because he had football commitments, okay, which really broke my heart. It was kind of the first time where I was like, oh, you're not there. And then, like we made ornaments at the museum and Aiden or not Aiden, kevin, said I'm going to make one for Aiden because he's not here. Oh, that was nice. Like I was like, yeah, it made me a little sad, but then I was very proud of him for doing what he had to do.

Speaker 1 1:30

It's just those moments where you're like, oh, our family's growing up, yeah, we are rarely all together, so when we are, we try to capitalize on it.

Speaker 2 1:40

How about you.

Speaker 1 1:42

Well, I was very productive because I didn't have a voice, but I did take my Christmas card pictures. They're all Christmas card pictures and it's a theme I've been waiting for for years, so I was super happy to do it?

Speaker 2 1:54

Is it 30 years in the making?

Speaker 1 1:55

No, yeah, so 30 years later we're kind of reinventing the wheel, and my kids were such troopers. Oh, I cannot wait for this they were so good and my kids were such troopers. God bless them. Oh, I cannot wait for this.

Speaker 2 2:04

They were so good.

Speaker 1 2:05

And then we had John's birthday. Aww, he was the happiest. I love birthdays. I love kid birthdays. They just have a little glow about them.

Speaker 1 2:14

They're so grateful and so happy. And John is such a sweet boy and has such wonder about him. He does have a lot of wonder. Yeah, there's a lot of joy about him. He does have a lot of wonder. Yeah, there's a lot of joy in him. He's always like, wow, mike came home from school with a whole stack of cards from friends for him, so he lost his mind. That was going to be my high, but that's okay. Yeah, so he was so happy, darling, how sweet are those boys. I know they're good kids. So if anybody thinks that teenage boys are a pain in the neck, I'm here to tell you. Otherwise, they have a soft spot. Yes, they do. That's really sweet.

Speaker 1 2:50

Yeah, nora, have you heard about this incident in California? Tell me more. California is a big place these people have. They were, like, I guess, a little short on cash, but they had a Rolls Royce that they were driving. Was it sold or was it stolen? It was their Rolls Royce and so they're like you know, maybe we can get a little insurance money on this car. If a bear would break into our car and rough it up a little bit, then we can get the money, but they couldn't find a bear so they were fresh out of bears. But this does happen in California and Alaska and like where bears will make their way into classrooms or vehicles or whatever. So they bought a bear suit and then they took. They look like those, like salad tong things.

Speaker 2 3:39

Oh, right, they're sharp.

Speaker 1 3:42

And so they sent their insurance of like a ring camera video of and it's kind of greeny, it's dark, but it looks like a bear in the car. But then the next slide of the article was the bear costume laid out with the little fake claws. So could you imagine getting ready for it? If Al was like, do I look like a bear? And you're like, oh, you look great, you look just like a bear, let me see your crawl. Yeah, if Al was like, do I look like a bear? And you're like, oh, you look great, you look just like a bear, let me see your crawl. Yeah, you're like I go. Oh, my goodness, they ruined their car, they scratched up their car. So now they have no money and a scratched up car and now they're criminals because they have insurance fraud and they can't pay for a lawyer. Oh, I'm so sorry for them. You know what they need. What they need to just crack open a bottle of Pizza Hut tomato wine.

Speaker 1 4:30

I know how you feel about tomatoes. I don't mind tomatoes, oh, but I do like to flick them on my sandwiches. I don't like ketchup either. Tell me more.

Speaker 1 4:40

Pizza Hut has come out with a tomato wine for the holidays and it's exactly what you think it might be, although when I was reading this so I guess it's a red. Well, and I was reading this thinking what? Why would you want to drink tomato wine with tomato sauce? It just seemed like a lot of tomato. It's very acidic, yes, but I guess it has like a blends of fresh herbs and spices and notes of sun-dried Like oregano, yes, notes of sun-dried tomato, hints of toasted oak.

Speaker 1 5:14

What I just? I don't understand. That's like drinking wine with grapes. It's just a lot of the same. Oh, you're like I'm going to have this big old bunch of grapes in a glass of wine, but it's actually not red, so they have to add vegetable juice to it. Now, that just doesn't Then make it a white, a green tomato one, because green tomatoes have like a more clear. So I wanted to try it. Have you been able to find it? I couldn't find it. I also couldn't find the Thanksgiving pizza, because they're like the hottest ticket in town, like there wasn't, there wasn't like a section where it was all out. I went to two local grocery stores and then I even went to Trader Joe's to see if they had like a organic version of it but you know you

Speaker 1 5:57

gotta be on the lookout for the Thanksgiving pizza, I know. Can I ask you a personal question? Oh sure, okay. When you put on deodorant Okay, okay, I'm assuming you do Daily Do you put it on in the morning or at night? In the morning, okay, same, but you're supposed to put it on at night.

Speaker 1 6:15

Apparently there's an article why you should apply deodorant at night, and I guess on some deodorant instructions it says to put itant at night because there's. And I guess on some deodorant instructions it says to put it on at night because it absorbs into your skin better if your skin is very dry. And I mean I typically put it on after the shower, and there's this article saying that that's the worst time to put on because you're still kind of wet from your shower. That seems like it would be a very difficult habit for me to break because it's just part of my from your shower. That seems like it would be a very difficult habit for me to break because it's just part of my routine. Right, I think I would just forget and then I would still put it on, so like I'll put in my retainer, brush my teeth, put in my retainer, put on deodorant, go to bed.

Speaker 1 6:56

Yeah, because they said, at night your body temperature drops, which means you sweat less, and when your sweat glands are less active, your sweat ducts may be able to better absorb the active ingredient in antiperspirant. Well, look at you, dr Taylor. Thank you, and I just thought that was so interesting, but then I'm still going to shower. Well, you can put it on twice, right, I guess? Yeah, you can put it on, do you know?

Speaker 2 7:20

some people love that.

Speaker 1 7:20

But then it says the active ingredient lasts 24 hours, so no risk of rinsing it up.

Speaker 2 7:25

So you might try it.

Speaker 1 7:29

But I work out in the morning. It says it lasts 24 hours. We got to try it.

Speaker 2 7:33

All right, let's try it, let's try it, we'll give it a whirl.

Speaker 1 7:36

And then we'll repeat back, we'll report back and let our listeners know yeah, maybe we'll do so. Let's do it next Tuesday night. So then we see how we feel.

Speaker 2 7:48

Don't you feel like we should do it?

Speaker 1 7:49

for a couple days. Okay, we could.

Speaker 2 7:51

Yeah, let's try it. Okay, a couple days, yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 7:54

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Speaker 2 9:37

Thank you for our disclaimer.

Speaker 1 9:39

Right, well, I do. I feel like sometimes when we talk like what our topic is, we're like we're not saying we're experts, we're just saying we're talking about it. Etiquette was a very big deal in my house growing up, same it was very strict and my mom would always shut things down. My mom and my grandma kind of dictated how things were operated. What?

Speaker 1 9:57

a grandma for sure, yeah. And then my mom would just say that's just not the way we do things. That's kind of a great way to shut it down. And then you said okay, In what areas was she strict Like?

Speaker 1 10:09

just everything, everything Like how we ate, what we wore, where we went, how we responded to things in social settings. I took etiquette classes. Oh, I always wanted to sign my kids up for those. I can fold a mean napkin, oh, way to go, nora, could you fold a nice napkin too? Oh, but yeah, no, I can show you some skills. My mom was big about phone etiquette. If we answered the house phone, did you have to say hello, this is Nora. Yes, hello, this is Nora. Or hello, who is this place? Oh, yeah, because my mom was like, don't hand me the phone and not tell me who's on it, like you're like my ask is calling.

Speaker 1 10:51

Which I feel like my kids have zero phone etiquette. Can you imagine all like nowadays, your whole family sharing one? Or like we had I had my own phone line, but like when we would be back in Chicago, or or when I was younger, all sharing one phone? How crazy is that. It must have rang all the time. We were so popular With a house of five people I'm saying yeah, anyone's phone.

Speaker 1 11:16

I mean it must have just been constant phone ringing. My mom was on the phone a lot and we had a long cord, my giant cord. Emma had a great cord. Emma had a great cordless phone but we didn't have call waiting because my mom thought it was rude. We didn't get it for a very long time either and my mom was kind of like they'll call back. We didn't have an answering machine for a really long time. Yeah, neither did we.

Speaker 1 11:39

Yeah, which kind of I do think about that sometimes where I'm like I would love for someone not to have be able to get a hold of me right now, because you are just accountable and available in people's minds 100%. I put my phone on. Do not disturb a lot. I've been using that function and I think that's fine. I think that's actually good manners, because then the person who's texting you is like oh, clearly they're busy and I'm not expecting a response and I think you can tell when I'm on. Do not disturb, you can Before you text me, or no? Yes, yeah, so you can open up and be like oh, I do it before bed too.

Speaker 1 12:17

That's nice. I've been going to bed so early, oh good, because I haven't been working out, because I'm resting my hamstring for a little while, but then I've been getting up at 345. Nora, there's nothing I can do, I'm not tired. Go to bed later. Could you go to bed later, pour yourself a glass of tomato wine? Well, the deal is, it gets dark at 4 30. Oh, so you're just like it's dark. So then, but it's dark when you wake up. Yeah, it's a real pickle. I'm in. Oh, then I'd be real quiet because it's like 3 45. I'm like tiptoeing around my house, oh, yeah, you're like a burglar I'm a crook.

Speaker 2 13:03

I want to show proper etiquette.

Speaker 1 13:06

Well, I looked into what the British School of Excellence thought because I feel like British. It's funny because I think British etiquette tends to be. People would stereotypically think they're very proper, very fancy where etiquette is concerned. But after living in the UK you do definitely see that side. But then, just like everything, there is the extremes. What did it say? It said, and these were all seemed very. These were the top 10. Use proper greetings. Yes, yes, definitely Hello, hello, mr and Mrs, hello, definitely Hello. You know. Hello, mr and Mrs, hello, whoever I am. Really I try that with my kids a lot because sometimes they'll come up and interrupt. I'm like did you say hello, mrs Westphal? Yoo-hoo, say please and thank you. Good table manners, mindful of your language, which I think is important. Like, kids should not talk to adults the way they talk to their friends, correct?

Speaker 1 14:01

But my kids choose to talk to me the way they talk to their friends, right Same. But I don't let them text me the way they text their friends. Skivity riz, toilet on God, no cap, real facts. You don't let them text. I am GK. No, I'm like question mark. I told them I want all the vowels. Okay, I appreciate that. Use the vowels Respectful of personal space, which I never really thought of. Etiquette, Like close talkers.

Speaker 1 14:30

Yes, but then that's true. Yeah, take a step back, dress appropriately, Be a good listener, put your phone away, practice good communication and be punctual. The phone is big because that's a whole new subset, that's a whole new ball of wax. And do you ever, are you ever, guilty of fubbing? What's fubbing? I know? When I was looking at etiquette and phone etiquette came up, I saw this word. I don't know if I fubbed, if you're a fubber, if I'm a fubber, if I'm a fubber Snubbing others for your phone. Oh, like if we were talking and I was like mm-hmm, I don't think I'm guilty of that.

Speaker 2 15:07

I don't think I'm a fubber.

Speaker 1 15:08

I think if I'm with a group of people and I have to be on my phone, I will say my son is texting me, or the school is calling me, or my dad is calling, like I'll say why I'm doing it and excuse myself from the group. I usually say, oh, I got to get this, or oh, I have to respond to this, and don't give an answer. I wonder if that or a reason. I wonder if that's okay. I would think it's okay. I mean again, not an expert, not an expert. But I think if you announce it to the group and you're forthcoming with it and you're not just like ugh, I'm bored, I'm like doing crossword puzzles and I have a question, okay, about proper etiquette.

Speaker 1 15:46

When you show up to a drive-through take, for example, like the bank or the pharmacy, and there's multiple windows, oh, okay, I thought I was doing the right thing. But then, after speaking to a couple people, I think I might be doing a jerky thing. I wait far enough back so that the first one that opens up is the one I go to. I have the same question, but somebody said that's rude, pick a lane. But in my head I think if I wait and I go to the next available line. The process moves more smoothly. I agree with you, you do, I do, but I also struggle with this. So what do you do? So if I'm at the pharmacy, I will typically do that, but then if someone comes up behind, me.

Speaker 1 16:35

I get nervous and then I just pick a lane and then I always pick the wrong one, same, same same. Yeah, I wonder what they say about that that word. I don't know. No, I don't know, but I was thinking about these etiquette things and I had a few more that I.

Speaker 1 16:49

Oh, I'm sorry, no no, no, don't be sorry, but I was curious. Well, no, I, because that was what the excellent said. But I add like for my children, I, and for also people, I think this is a big one Don't critique or criticize someone's event while it's still going on. Oh, you save it, save all the bad mouthing for when you get in the car, like, don't. Like if you're at someone's party, don't be like, oh, you have pigs in blankets. Or like, don't critique someone's event while it's in motion, while it's happening, correct. Like, unless, in fact, don't criticize it at all. Yeah, but be glad you were invited. Yes, I appreciate that. And for my kids, don't interrupt. And I'm a big, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 17:32

I don't either, even though I interrupt you all the time you do not.

Speaker 1 17:35

I interrupt you back. Clean up after yourself. Interrupt you back, clean up after yourself. We're having a situation with that in our house. Same Pay people back and put your napkin on your lap. I'm a big napkin on your lap, girl with my kids. Are there any things your stickler's on with your kids? I like them to be dressed appropriately when we go places. I'm losing that battle. Yeah, I'm a big stickler on that.

Speaker 1 17:56

When we went to the Museum of Science and Industry on Saturday for the tree lighting, I was like wanted people to dress nice and I was getting so much pushback. I was like you know what Uncle, wear whatever you want. Oh, I forgot. When you call uncle, that's so funny, yes, and I was like, are you sure? And I was like, yep, I just want to go, let's just go.

Speaker 1 18:17

And if you could just put away what you've taken out, that would solve so much trouble. This is not an etiquette thing, so I'm kind of going off topic, but if my children could turn their clothing the proper way before they put it on the laundry chute, I would appreciate that. Fold it inside out, I do, I have Good. Yeah, it feels so good to do that, especially with socks. You're like hearing it, and then if there's like one that's inside out and one that's not, I fold it so it looks like it's not. So then when they're like, oh, normal socks. And then they're like, oh, take that, teenagers.

Speaker 1 18:55

I do have some of the questions and I know you do too. Yeah, and we have Margarita back, we do To answer a few, and I was really grateful because it is holiday season and a lot of people will be guests at other people's parties and we were so glad that we could have her back to answer some of our pressing etiquette questions. So let's just throw it to the expert. Thank you for coming back, thank you for having me we loved having you last week and we have just a few more questions, because we learned so much about dinner parties, but then it brought up a lot of questions about etiquette.

Speaker 1 19:21

We have etiquette totalations.

Speaker 2 19:23

I was going to say I feel like this is a topic we can talk about all day and it's funny.

Speaker 1 19:27

It's one of those things like Nora and I are already. Our body language is like awkward.

Speaker 2 19:31

Yeah, it is, I'm already like cringing.

Speaker 1 19:32

I know I'm just going to Okay, so I would love to know when guests arrive at my home with a bottle of wine, do I open the wine and share it with my company or do I save it and use it as a gift?

Speaker 2 19:48

I don't understand the intention of it. That is a great question and it is a tricky one because I don't think there is a definitive answer, but what I like to say is that a wine bottle should be considered a present and not a contribution to the meal. However, you may serve it if you like, but you're not obligated to, oh okay. So I really think of it as if you're having a small dinner and someone is cooking and they ask you what can I bring, and you tell them just bring yourselves, and they volunteer to bring a bottle of wine.

Speaker 2 20:16

In that scenario, that bottle of wine is definitely there to be a contribution to the meal. Versus, if you're having a dinner party that you really planned out and someone brings a bottle of wine in a gift bag, I don't think it's necessary for you to open up the gift bag when you're in the middle of greeting your other guests, and so in that scenario, I think it's absolutely appropriate for you to save that bottle for you and your husband to enjoy at a separate time based on presentation and situational?

Speaker 1 20:44

I think so too. Yeah, because I guess if I was like, oh, what are you having, I'll get a bottle of wine to go with dinner, and you tell me we're having steak, and then it was intentional and planned to happen.

Speaker 2 20:55

Or I think another scenario where a lot of people bring bottles of wine is if someone's having a cocktail party and the hostess is greeting a larger number of guests, I don't think it's necessary for them to go through all the different bottles of wine that they're receiving to figure out what's going to be the best fit for whatever they're serving that night. Great question, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 21:13

And a great answer. My question is if you're planning a dinner party and I know you want to invite everyone I always want to invite everyone, but you just can't. So how do you manage your guest list or a B-list? It's so tricky.

Speaker 2 21:28

This is one I struggle with myself. I'm definitely a more the merrier person. That being said, I think everyone understands that they can't be invited to everything. So, as hard as it sounds horrible to say B-list, I think it's absolutely appropriate to have a first list of people that you maybe feel closest to. Sometimes I like to make a rule if I'm having a party and I'll say okay, this is going to be a party for people that both my husband and I are friends with, so we're friends with both the husband and the wife.

Speaker 1 22:01

Oh, that's a great way to frame it Last week about like picking your theme. It's kind of like what are the parameters for the people we're inviting?

Speaker 2 22:07

Absolutely. So. Parameters is a great way to think of a guest list, because there's so many different pockets of friendships. My husband has guy friends that he plays paddle with that I don't know, or I have mom friends that maybe I don't know their partners, and so if I'm thinking of a way of maybe making a list smaller, that could be one parameter, and then that's not awkward if you see one of your mom friends from a different pocket.

Speaker 1 22:32

It's all my husband's all couples from his paddle, exactly.

Speaker 2 22:37

Oh, that makes me feel better and I'm not even planning a party right now, and then another piece too is let's say, you know you want to have a dinner for 10 people, yeah, and one of the couples drops out. I think it's absolutely okay to have a quote unquote B list. Obviously, don't ever tell them that they're on the B list, but I think it's totally okay a week in advance to if you realize that someone has dropped out. Obviously don't invite someone the day of. I think that would be maybe not the most appropriate, but it's totally fine, unless it's your family member.

Speaker 2 23:09

Unless it's my sister or your best friend, yes, who doesn't care and will just be happy to join. But I think, as we were talking about this before you, as the hostess are in charge of creating a group of people that you think will get along and will enjoy meeting each other. So if a friend is a good friend, they are not going to be insulted by you not inviting them to a particular event. You're really the goal of a hostess is to bring together a group of people that are going to have a great night and, unfortunately, space, time, money are all elements as to why we can't invite everyone that we possibly know. So, yeah, what?

Speaker 1 23:45

about at the end of the night when it comes time for cleaning up. If guests offer to help with the cleanup, do you let them help?

Speaker 2 23:54

I think every host or hostess has their own opinion on this, but my take is, if you want to volunteer to help someone, either just jump right in and start doing something that you think will be helpful or ask the host hostess one particular thing hey, can I help you load the dishwasher? I think it's really tricky as a hostess if someone just says what can I do to help, because now the onus is on them to come up with a task for you to do or they feel awkward and are just going to say like no, I want you to enjoy yourself.

Speaker 2 24:28

So I would say, either jump right into doing something or ask if you could help with one particular thing Can I help put the leftovers in the fridge, can I help load the dishwasher? And some hostesses don't want help, and so if they tell you adamantly, just enjoy yourself, I have it from here, then respect that.

Speaker 1 24:45

But you have to assume that they're being truthful to you and that no one is playing mind games Like well, I said not to help me, but I really wanted them to Agreed. We're beyond that, Absolutely.

Speaker 2 24:56

Say what you mean. Right, we're beyond that. Yes, right, say what you mean right, play it more early.

Speaker 1 24:59

We'll be on that, yeah, okay, I have one more. Last week you had talked about a potluck and hosting that with your friends. If someone is invited to a potluck, so you're bringing an entree, an app aside, whatever, should you still bring a hostess gift?

Speaker 2 25:12

I grew up in an Italian household where, I was told, you never show up empty handed, and so my take on that is that you should bring a little something. A little something it doesn't need to be. You obviously are contributing to the meal, but I think it's thoughtful to think about something that the hostess might enjoy and use. Who doesn't love a beautiful, scented candle, especially going into the holidays? Maybe a Christmas or holiday-infused candle would be nice, or just something that they really enjoy cooking. Maybe a new set of measuring spoons or something little that just goes to show that you're thankful.

Speaker 1 25:46

Thanks for having us.

Speaker 2 25:47

Thanks for having us. Yeah, so bring a little something. We're so glad you came back.

Speaker 1 25:51

Yeah, thank you and we'll see you again soon. Yeah and again. If our listeners want to get in touch with you, how should they do that.

Speaker 2 25:58

You can follow me on Instagram at Hinsdale Table or you can check out our website HinsdaleTablecom. Thank you so much.

Cultural Etiquette Tips and Highs/Lows

Speaker 1 26:06

Yes, hopefully we'll see you again soon. Thank you, guys. Oh, that was so nice of her to stop by. I know I'm so grateful that you came back again. And some fabulous advice and tips for being a guest and for hosting parties. Yes, you don't, you know, have any etiquette snafus. Yeah, speaking of being a guest, have you ever traveled to India? Yes, I'd love to go to India. Okay, you're not supposed to say thank you unless it's in a formal setting. If you're just with family and friends, it's considered rude because your family and friends just do those things because they're your family and friends. Oh, so, for example, if we were in India and you brought me over a little bowl of pretzels, I would just say Yum, great Love pretzels. Yeah, it would be so hard, I know, to not say thank you Because it appears too formal or comes off as too formal and you're like no, we're friends. Of course, I would do this for you yes.

Speaker 1 27:02

I thought that was interesting. Oh, that's super interesting. Thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 1 27:05

Do you have any other little fun facts? Are you going to Hungary anytime soon? Not anytime soon, but I've been there. Are you hot, did you? Or cheers oh gosh and clink a glass. They went without. You're not supposed to clink a glass because it brings up bad memories of that their time when the Austrian government suppressed their uprise in 1848. I can say with certainty I didn't cheers any Hungarians, okay, but I may have cheers to my own husband, which I guess is allowed. I mean, they're holding a grudge. That was 1848? Right? Well, you know, when you're suppressed, you don't forget about it. Okay, that sticks with you. That's suppression, and you've been to Spain, I have.

Speaker 1 27:46

So I was curious to ask you about this. Were you ever at any restaurants with like garbage or like pits or peels on the floor? Probably we didn't go to very nice places when we went, but I don't remember seeing that. I guess when you're there, that signifies a good restaurant because it shows that it's busy. Oh, they're too busy to clean up and they don't have time to clean up. So that's probably why I didn't see it. These restaurants, we would do plenty of time to clean up. So those are my Wow.

Speaker 1 28:17

Those are some little etiquette. I love knowing things like that, because when you go to another country or a place that has a culture completely different, you know we would walk into a place and see food on the ground or whatever and be like gross, get out of here, it's dirty, yeah. When I remember reading a book like when we were going to France that said when you walk into a shop you need to say hello and goodbye to the shopkeeper or else they think you're rude.

Speaker 2 28:47

And so now.

Speaker 1 28:48

I still do that today. Those people at our garage sale boutique didn't read that book. They did that. But I do that now and even like, if I walk into the Gap, I'm like hello, and oftentimes they greet you. They sure do, yeah, yeah. So there you go. Shall we high and low? Let's go for it. Where are you at this week? My low was just I just felt so bad for you and your voice on my voice, thank you.

Speaker 1 29:10

and when you called me last Sunday because you, we thought maybe you would be well enough to podcast and you said what do you think? And I said I don't think people want to listen to your voice like that, and I felt so bad and like so great and I and I meant it because I think people will be worried about it. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. They don't want to listen to it because they're going to be like ouch. Why is Nora Taylor forcing Nora Westphal to record when she's clearly in pain? And that's cruel. I didn't even pick up on the fact that you said that. So I'm sorry, you've been carrying that with you since Sunday.

Speaker 1 29:55

I am such a jerk. I really need to explain this. I felt so bad. I'm glad you're feeling better. Thank you, I am too Losing my voice was my low with the week because it was just a tremendous inconvenience. Yes, but my high was John's birthday, yay, yeah, celebrating my little guy, that's really sweet. Yeah, how about you? Celebrating my little guy? That's really sweet. Yeah, how about you? My height is kind of amazing and it might also get me in a little bit of trouble. I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast that I've been cleaning out drawers and closets and things like that. I found a very significant sum gift card to Kohler Spa. Shut the front door. You did, yeah, yes, what? How do you forget about something like that? I don't know, but I'm real excited about it. And now I'm like when am I going to use this thing? But now I feel like I'm going to forget about it again because you know you're not just like, does it expire?

Speaker 1 30:51

I don't think so. Oh my gosh, what a gem of a thing to find. Oh, mind, oh, I get happy if I find like a stamp. Oh, good for you. So that was a high. Well, thank you. Yeah, uh, I appreciate that. I appreciate people listening. Yeah, and you know what, if you're not following us on instagram, go ahead and follow us. If you haven't downloaded our latest episode, download us and tell a friend. And while you you're there, check out Hinstell Table and all the wonderful things they have to offer. Yes, happy Thanksgiving everybody. Bye, bye.