The Home of Fertility with Liz Walton & Helen Zee

What if sperm testing was as easy—and accurate—as a pregnancy test? Talking with Ash the founder of Sapyen

• Liz Walton and Helen Zee • Season 2 • Episode 7

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We talk with Sapyen founder Ash Ramachandran about removing the friction from male fertility testing—extending sample viability to three days, matching lab accuracy, and lowering costs so men can test sooner and couples decide faster. Practical next steps, what to ask for, and how clinics and coaches use at‑home diagnostics to cut wait times and stress.

• why male fertility testing needs a reset
• clinic backlogs, one‑hour viability and access gaps
• Sapien’s transport medium extending viability to three days
• achieving lab‑grade accuracy at home
• affordability compared with traditional labs
• adoption by major IVF clinics and small practices
• when to request DNA fragmentation and other advanced tests
• how early testing changes timelines and outcomes
• where to buy: website and 200+ Australian pharmacies

Struggling to get a straight answer on male fertility? We sat down with Sapyen founder and CEO Ash Ramachandran to unpack why semen testing has stayed stuck in the 1970s—and how a new at‑home diagnostic finally fixes access, accuracy, and affordability without the awkward clinic dash. Ash shares the personal spark behind the company and breaks down the science problem most people never hear about: sperm samples are typically viable for only an hour, which forces narrow lab windows, long travel, and repeat failures. Sapien’s patent‑pending transport medium extends viability up to three days by mimicking the female reproductive tract, enabling men to collect at home and ship to a NATA‑accredited lab for results that match clinical standards.

We explore the real‑world impact: fewer delays, lower costs, and better data earlier in the journey. Ash explains how leading IVF networks, including Monash IVF and others, integrate Sapyen to improve patient experience and throughput, while smaller clinics, coaches, and naturopaths use it to offer lab‑quality analysis without building a lab. We also dig into advanced testing like DNA fragmentation—when to ask for it, what it reveals about oxidative stress and sperm integrity, and how those insights can change treatment plans, save money, and sometimes avert unnecessary IVF cycles.

If male factors represent half of fertility challenges, making testing simple and private is a game‑changer. You’ll hear why many purchases are driven by women advocating for faster answers, how access in regional areas is finally improving, and the exact questions to bring to your clinician when progress stalls. Ready to replace guesswork with clarity?

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Liz Walton:

Welcome to the Home of Fertility, a space for real conversation and expert insights about fertility, healing, and creating family. I'm Liz Walker.

Helen Zee:

And I'm Helen Z. We are two mums who've walked this path and are passionate about supporting you on your journey, emotionally, physically, and spiritually.

Liz Walton:

We talk about it all. Fertility treatment, holistic support, relationships, mindset, and the emotional highs and left.

Helen Zee:

Because sometimes the missing piece lies in someone else's story, in the quiet wisdom of the body, or in a breakthrough that's finally made for you.

Liz Walton:

We are so glad you are here. Let's dive in. And good day to all you beautiful listeners out there, and welcome to the home of fertility. Today I am talking to an extremely interesting um gentleman. And he has created a new at-home male testing um uh piece of equipment. And I think this is so exciting. I really wish I had it when I was trying. And this lovely gentleman is called Ash. Ash, how are you today?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, very good, thank you. And thanks for having me on the show.

Liz Walton:

It's so wonderful to have you. And I think also to share this product that you have created because you don't know what you don't know. And I think this is about really helping people to understand this amazing product that you have created.

Ash Ramachandran:

Absolutely.

Liz Walton:

So, Ash, I'm gonna just share a little bit about who you are, and I want to make sure that I say your last name correctly. So, Ash Ramachandran, is that right?

Ash Ramachandran:

Ramachandran's right, yeah.

Liz Walton:

Ramachandran, Ash Ramachandran is the founder and CEO of Sapien, the world's most accurate, affordable, and convenient home male fertility diagnostic company. Servicing two million aspiring fathers globally. I love that. A strategic um strategist and an investor. He's raised over 250 million for health and life science science startups and personally invested in 50 plus companies. My goodness, you were an amazing man, including seven unicorns such as Robin Hood, Oculus, and DoorDash. His careers span venture capital, diplomacy, and technology commercialization. From leading UN humanitarian strategy during the Arab Spring in launching Australia's first IP and technology transfer fellowship, Ash continues to advise global funds, corporates, and universities on product launches, public health, and innovation. My goodness, Ash, you are quite one amazing young man.

Ash Ramachandran:

I appreciate that. Thanks, Liz.

Liz Walton:

It's a pleasure. So, Ash, tell me how what's what how did you get into this product? What brought you here and what motivated you to start this company?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, working for the United Nations doesn't necessarily lend itself automatically to building a malfertility diagnostic. I think what interestingly happened at a point in my life was I had an uncle that went through a malfertility diagnosis and spent about $120,000 to start off with unexplained infertility diagnosis and then worked towards a conclusive malfertility diagnosis. And I thought for the first time, oh gosh, um, I don't think as a man you necessarily ever have a conversation about fertility. And most men always think about it for the first time when they're battling infertility or when they're thinking about fertility in the context of having a child.

Liz Walton :

Yeah.

Ash Ramachandran:

And I was straight at an IVF clinic, uh curious to see if I was any fertile. And interestingly, what you notice in the waiting room of an IVF clinic is a myriad of women who are making a very conscious decision to go through IVF and male partners who accompany them. And everybody has to be there and get a scene analysis. And the process is quite archaic, uh, akin to, I would say, thinking about a pregnancy test about 20 years ago, where women had to go into a gynecologist's office and get physically examined. That's probably the closest um similarity to what a male fertility diagnosis is like today, a process that's largely unevolved since the 1970s. You go into a collection room that's that's not necessarily very exciting as an opportunity to experience and under significant time pressure and anxiety to collect a sample, and a vast majority of men are unable to. So I thought to myself, the evolution of the malfertility that the pregnancy test has seen over the last 20 years is a really strong balance to achieve in malfertility, is you need to be able to have something that's accessible, affordable, and accurate. Um, something that can also be accessible to men regardless of whether or not they're trying to have a child. And that's where we started Saibyan.

Liz Walton:

Yes, I love that. And um, I've recently just done a podcast, and I know you're going to be on the male um, the male um panel with him. And so he was saying, This is a lovely cat called Sam Hargreaves, and he was saying he just didn't realize he had no sperm at all. And it was just like I didn't know until we were trying ages and nothing worked. So he was like, This would just be so awesome. And I'm so glad that you're both going to meet. So, yes, Sapien. Now tell me, tell me about this name, because it seems a very interesting name.

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, it's uh derived after Homo sapien. And the reason why is because when I first thought about building the company, I sat in the corner thinking about a name. And after running through multiple iterations of some something fertility, what occurred to me was as a company, if we did the right thing and if we built a product that the population could utilize to understand their fertility status, everything that we did would in some way impact the future of the human race. And that would have a domino effect into how we progress as a population. And that's why sapiens.

Liz Walton:

I love it. Now that makes so much more sense. I have been curious of your name and where that comes from. That makes so much sense. Ah, thank you for enlightening me with that. Sure. So tell me, what are some of those main barriers to male fertility testing?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, I mean, you've got you've got plenty. You've got one with the fundamental scientific barrier, and then you've got an emotional barrier as well. The scientific barrier is sperm samples are only viable for one hour after collection, which typically means that every lab that is available, like every lab needs to have staff available to readily test sperm samples. And every major lab chain needs to have a lab in every high density population area, which we don't necessarily see across the population. So what you'd see typically um in a country like Australia is a major lab chain like Australian clinical labs with over a thousand labs would only have less than 20 labs in the country that test for human sperm. And that means, yeah, exactly. That means the average lab is about 90 to 100 minutes away from someone's house.

Liz Walton :

Right.

Ash Ramachandran:

And it's open Monday to Friday between, say, 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. or 4 p.m. So it makes it ridiculous from a complex standpoint logistically to access an malfertility test because you're far away, it's in the middle of your workday, and the sample isn't viable. So sometimes it's going to happen that you deliver a sample to a lab and then they're going to come back to you and tell you it's unviable because they didn't have enough stuff on hand.

unknown:

Right.

Ash Ramachandran:

So that's a scientific barrier there. But more importantly, I think also the emotional barrier is I earlier touched upon this idea that most men never encounter conversations around fertility up until it's time to have a diagnosis or up until they're finding it difficult to have a child. And that means they're faced with something pretty devastating for the first time. Right as they're also expected to pursue an action plan.

Liz Walton:

Yeah.

Ash Ramachandran:

And that that's that's a pretty negative thing at a population level. We need to do better on an education front, but unfortunately, that's how it's transpired over the last few decades. And that means men are typically unwilling to go into a lab and get a test in a manner that's timely enough. And then you've got three, um, the cost of getting a test can sometimes be exorbitant and typically requires you to have a consultation with multiple clinicians, and you're ending up spending anywhere from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars, let alone if you live in a regional area, you might even have to catch a flight to go get a semanalysis.

Liz Walton:

Yes, yeah, and and I think that's that's a big point. You know, here in Australia, it's such a big, vast country. Your tests really will only be in your cities. And um uh, you know, so many people don't all live in the city. So yeah, then that makes that hour, yeah, it's impossible. Absolutely.

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, we we have we have patients from remote areas of WA or Northern Territory that call us all the time from Carafa and WA going, the only way I can afford a steam analysis is if I buy a sapien test kit, because the alternative is I have to get my partner to fly down to Perth and it falls well above our affordability bracket.

Liz Walton:

Yeah, yeah. Wow. And this is so I think I feel what I hear this, hear from this is your test then helps save so much money for the individual.

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, I mean, to put it into perspective, we sell our test kit for $149. And if it comes from a if it comes from a practitioner uh with a signature and request form, it can go down for just over $100 through a Medicare rebate as well. And the reason why is I remember the beginning of building Sapien, people kept telling me, you know, people will pay a lot of money for a semi analysis, especially because it's probably the cheapest thing you've paid during your IVF cycle, and it won't really matter if you charge patients $400. But I think it does matter because uh I don't want to build a company that separates accessibility from affordability. And I think far too many companies do that. And the reason why the pregnancy test has become so ubiquitous in nature and why most decisions uh as it relates to fertility are start at the pregnancy test is because you can buy one over the counter at a Kohl's or a Woolley's for less than $10. And that makes a huge difference population.

Liz Walton:

It really, really does. And I just want to thank you from all of our, you know, lay people, where you know, each bit, you know, adds on. And we have an awareness of how much you know assisted reproduction is depending on what you might have to take, you know, IVF and then all the extras. So to have something when you know your man may be challenged or a man may be challenged emotionally, yeah. So to push them to go and have their sperm tested is is a lot. And so to have this kit that seems so reasonable, it just makes it all so much more doable.

Liz Walton :

Yeah.

Ash Ramachandran:

We also work with some of the largest IVS clinics across Australia. So it's important for us to cater to a large population, regardless of their ability to afford a product. It needs to be affordable enough while still not compromising on things like accuracy and good patient experience.

Liz Walton:

Well, I thank you from the bottom of my heart, Well Benia. So um um, I'm I'm curious on reliability. How reliable are the results from your sapien semen analysis?

Ash Ramachandran:

Uh we've got parity with a lab assessment. So it's exactly as reliable as going into an IVF clinic or a lab to get a test. And the reason why is because, like I mentioned earlier, you want an experience that's convenient, you want an accuracy that's accurate and meets medical standards, and you want um affordability that actually makes it possible for people to buy. And those were the three core pillars that we've always stuck by as a company. So accuracy was paramount. And part of the reason why some of the world's largest IVF clinics use sapien, including the likes of Monash IVF and Adora in Australia, is because they see massive benefit in replacing their traditional process through Sapien. It not only makes it easier for the patient, but also produces reliable and accurate results.

Liz Walton:

Wow, that's awesome. Wow, yeah. And how good for you that the clinics are noticing your product creates more reliability and ease. I mean, wow, that's awesome.

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, I mean, if if you look at IVF and you mention your story with IVF as well, um, IVF is one of those industries that's always consistently evolved. And now it's evolving due to pressure from private equity. There's financial pressure on IVF, there's also a level of market saturation. So effectively, you know, in markets like India, you have an IVF clinic for every hundred patients going through IVF. Really? So yeah, it's starting to get very crowded. And I think the general quality of an IVF cycle is being diluted as a result. So you find patients all the time that have a negative patient experience or don't necessarily achieve a huge amount of success for IVF because they didn't, they weren't on the right care plan. And I think as much as science is evolving, the patient experience isn't always evolving together with science. And some IVF clinics have done it right, and some others have a long way to go. And I think introducing products like sapien have always been a very deliberate decision for IVF clinics that focused on better patient experience and improved quality. And um, we are seeing, I think in Australia, something like 80% of IVF clinics in the country use sapien. Wow. Yeah, and markets like the UK were about 30%, and the US were getting a substantial foothold as well. So we we're rapidly expanding into clinics that immediately understand the benefit of good patient experience whilst not compromising on accuracy.

Liz Walton:

Yeah. And that's it. Good patient experience and still having accuracy. You know, that's that's the key, isn't it? Like the magic.

Liz Walton :

Exactly.

Liz Walton:

Oh gosh, this is amazing. So how can couples and males, how can they get this product?

Ash Ramachandran:

Um, two simple ways. You can either go online and get one directly from our websites, apn.co, or you can go into pharmacies in Australia as well. So we're stocked in about 200 different pharmacies across the country, pharmacy 777 and Bloomster Chemist, where you can get one either on a Bloomsachemist online page or in store. Also make sapien the the first product of malfertility diagnosis to be on the shelf anywhere in the world. And when we set out, actually, funnily enough, I remember writing in a notebook, it would be a great success story for us if we were to make the malfertility test as accessible as a pregnancy test. Yeah. Right. And I think it was very exciting oftentimes to go into a pharmacy and see a sapien test kit right beside a pregnancy test. And I think we're hitting milestones um progressively.

Liz Walton:

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, absolutely. So the next time I go into Bloom as a chemist, I am going to look for that and take a photo and uh make sure I put that on socials because that would be fantastic. Yeah, when you're not looking for it, um you don't see it. But now I know that I'm going to have a look because uh I just think like you say, it's awesome to be as accessible, um, that males can find out about their own fertility um quality um as easy as a female. I mean, that's that's perfect.

Ash Ramachandran:

No, I mean, funnily enough, also um, seven out of ten purchases of the sapien test kit on our website happen to be women.

Liz Walton:

Really, yeah.

Ash Ramachandran:

Oftentimes women will make a decision with regards to fertility. And we we're finding huge amounts of women stepping up and making decisions on behalf of their male partner and providing them something accessible and accurate. Sapien.

Liz Walton:

Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, if um, you know, when we were trying, if I'd known that that kit, I would have easily bought it for my husband. I'll make it easy for you, you know, it's super easy because they're working, or you know, so absolutely we would like to make it as easy as possible for our man, for sure. So um let's look at cost. How does the cost compare to attending, say, say a lab, like in person?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, I mean, it can vary quite quite a lot. A sapien test with a Medicare rebate would be just over $100. And going into a lab would typically cost you between $200 to $500. And there are more advanced tests that we do with sapien, like DNA fragmentation testing in Australia, which costs about $399 with sapien. And most labs don't even offer it. And the labs that do offer it, funnily enough, I was uh at Fazan's the conference in Adelaide about last week. Yeah. And there was a clinic in Newcastle that said to us, oh yeah, these samples have to be shipped on dry ice. And it typically costs the patient about $450 to do the test, but also we charge them an additional thousand dollars to transport it. Right. Because the labs don't actually do the testing then and there. They have to ship it to a specialized lab that has the ability to do the testing. With Sapien, the easiest thing is you can collect a sample at home, pack it back into our box, go to an Australia Post location and put it into an express post bin. And that means your sample reaches a specialized lab that's NATO accredited that can do your analysis or without having to pay for dry shippers and pay for the inconvenience of time and energy.

Liz Walton:

That's just magic, isn't it? It's pretty amazing. And it just it's really saves the end user. So you do your DNA fragmentation as well as the sperm test and um from far less than the lab. Well, if that Newcastle place decided to take on your products.

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, well, I mean, it costs patients thousands of dollars typically to get fertility assessments, unfortunately, because of how archaic the infrastructure is. I mentioned about less than 20 labs in the country that'll do a seam analysis for a large-scale lab network. And that means labs in remote areas and IVF planics in remote areas have no choice but to collect the sample there and ship it. And that shipping cost is typically laid on to the patient.

Liz Walton:

Yes. Yes, I suppose it is. Someone has to pay for it, yeah. So just so that I understand, and you said earlier on, usually you have to have an hour to be able to test the semen. So for you, is that a dry test? How do you manage to do that in your time uh time space?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, so sapience, the test kit includes a proprietary, a pattern pending medium. And the medium, when incorporated with sperm samples, increases the viability of sperm from one hour to three days. And it makes it possible for the sperm sample to be tested as though it was a fresh sample produced at a lab up to three days later. So all you do is collect a sample, incorporate it with our medium, which all comes in the kit. The kit also comes with a return label, and you slap the return label on the box, drop it at an Australia post location, goes back into a specialized lab for analysis, and a result that resembles time equal to zero collection conditions.

Liz Walton:

Gosh, that's pretty well magic. And uh sorry, I was trying to figure out how you do it. So there's that medium that allows it to last longer for up to three days. That's um that's the key.

Ash Ramachandran:

Exactly. Sperms stop moving about an hour after collection with sapien. We mimic the conditions of the human female reproductive tract using the sapien media, and it's the only area naturally where sperm survive beyond the one hour mark. So by mimicking the conditions, you're effectively keeping the sperm moving during transport.

Liz Walton:

That's right, because sperm can live up to several days in um a female body.

Ash Ramachandran:

Exactly.

Liz Walton:

Wow, you are beyond author. I love this. So what's what's all the feedback you must be? So, how long has Sabi Sapien been out then? And then what's your feedback?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, we launched the company about three and a half years ago. And we've now we we now work with IVF clinics all around the world. Um, the likes of EVRMA and Create, based out of the UK, to Monash IVS, number one fertility in Newcastle, um, a new life fertility as well in Australia. So a growing number of clinics all around the country have come up and recognize the value that this brings to male patients. And equally, from a male patient side and a couples side, we've had massive support from patients reaching out to us directly and buying products on our website because it does serve a fundamental necessity for most of these patients, either from an affordability standpoint or from uh an experience standpoint. And oftentimes people would much rather do a test from the comfort of home. And over 95% of men will rather do a comfort, a comfortable test from home as opposed to take a day off from work and have a strenuous experience.

Liz Walton:

Yeah. That doesn't have to be the wayful and awkward. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, I think that's that's that's you know, it's just amazing. Um, and it just takes all the difficulty, uncomfortableness out of it. You get your test kit and you can go home and do it and you know, post it off and bish bash bosh.

Ash Ramachandran:

Exactly.

Liz Walton:

So to speak. So um what's so what's all the feedback? I mean, everyone must be so excited that you've created this amazing product.

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, look, I mean, I think most often women are more thankful for it than most men are. And the reason why I say that is oftentimes when you meet women at the beginning of their IBF cycle, people typically tell you the hardest thing they've had to do, unfortunately, is convince their male partner to go into the clinic and collect a sperm sample. Um, I feel like most men need to step up, but at the same time, unfortunately, given the current circumstances, women do feel more excited about the prospect of not having to worry about having to deal with someone else when the most important thing in that moment is whether or not you can get through an IVF cycle. And oftentimes you find as well with an IVF clinic, the wait time for a semi analysis can be several weeks or months.

Liz Walton :

Yeah.

Ash Ramachandran:

Um DNA fragmentation tests in Australia sometimes takes in excess of three months. And parts of the UK can wait up to three years.

Liz Walton:

Wow, really?

Ash Ramachandran:

So when when you're in a waiting list, uh I remember being in Scotland earlier this year, selling into the NHS there, and they said, Oh, semi analysis can take up to three years to receive. We went, hold on. So you can't actually make a timely decision as far as your reproductive health is concerned, because a test can take up to three years to access. Waiting for a medical diagnostic for up to three years sounds bizarre.

Liz Walton:

It does. It seems quite archaic in this day and age, really, and everything. Definitely. You know, you want, you know, almost at the click of a finger. And um, yeah, well, I did not know that. That's um brilliant. So I uh now also with clinics um having access, my curiosity, because I'm you know, I'm I'm a fertility coach, I support others who and um a lot of my female clients, absolutely. Um, not all, but a lot, you know, having to give their their their partner or husband to have a test has for some of them been quite stressful and emotional. So um can do you do you offer this also to say, you know, your your smaller clinics and your you know your solo your solo businesses?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, we do see a number of fertility coaches, naturopaths, and um smaller IVF clinics as customers of ours as well, effectively because it solves a pretty dramatic problem for them because they don't have access to labs very easily. And you know, a large IVF clinic could always build a lab, but smaller practices don't always have the ability to. So they find the benefit of achieving lab quality analysis at an affordable price point quite appealing. So we do actually have a substantial network of fertility coaches and naturopaths that effectively do refer patients to us consistently.

Liz Walton:

Yeah, well, I will definitely be doing that from now on as well.

Ash Ramachandran:

Appreciate that.

Liz Walton:

Oh my goodness, you know, this could, you know, like solve a problem to quite a lot of my clients. Absolutely. And and the first thing is always get your man tested because then at least you know, you know, either one way or another, a place that where you have to walk. So it's it's it's a really good first thing to do is test test your men.

Ash Ramachandran:

For sure, because female fertility testing is quite difficult and expensive. Right, but male fertility testing can be easy and straightforward and accessible. Um getting 50% of your infertility concerns out the way with an affordable test makes a huge part of a difference.

Liz Walton:

And just so much um, so much less stress for everybody concerned. So um lovely Ash, what would be uh say a top tip or something you would you'd like to leave the listeners with when it comes to male fertility and testing?

Ash Ramachandran:

Um ask your clinician for the right kind of tests and don't wait too long to get tested. I know it sounds like I'm repeating my messages, but the reason why I'm saying this specifically is you come across men that have gone through multiple failed cycles of IVF together with their partner that haven't been provided a DNA fragmentation test or haven't been provided an anti-spam antibody test. And you find out after multiple years that a simple test of that sort could have saved you tens of thousands of dollars ahead of the journey, or at the very least, could have taken you out of IVF and allowed you plenty of time to correct whatever oxidative stress issues or DNA fragmentation issues you've got and go back into IVF or try naturally. Um there is no incentive oftentimes for most clinics to think about um getting you out of the process, but certain tests can provide you really good responses and insight that'll allow you to make a very concrete decision as far as your reproductive health is concerned.

Liz Walton:

Wow. So that is like not just having a sperm test, but having like a deeper, do you mean like a deeper DNA fragmentation test for individuals?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, I mean a semen analysis or a sperm test is a basis, like the absolute basic tests you need to be doing. And then on top of that, you do have additional tests or advanced tests like DNA fragmentation testing, oxidative stress testing, and so on. You don't need every one of these tests. The DNA fragmentation test is obviously very helpful, but there's also more nuanced analysis that can be done on sperm samples that are can be very affordable. The reason why you'd need them sometimes is when you go through multiple rounds of IVF or you've tried unsuccessfully with a partner for multiple months. There sometimes is a very easily explainable reason why that is. And most clinics, most practitioners don't necessarily test for it.

Liz Walton :

Yeah.

Ash Ramachandran:

Well, primarily because those labs don't have the resources to. So they can't get you to do a DNA fragmentation test because their lab doesn't do it.

Liz Walton:

Yes, well, that would make sense. Yes. So then, so then it really is up to the individual asking for those more specific sperm tests. Is that what you mean?

Ash Ramachandran:

Yeah, I mean, if you're finding that you're not able to naturally conceive or go through IVFN without success, definitely get more insight. Ask for the right types of tests and do your research. Um, there is a lot of merit to appreciating the details that your doctor has to provide you, and oftentimes they're right. But certain other times their decisions are based on what tests they have available to them in the catalogue of their testing labs. So it always is helpful to look a little bit further away from what advice you're being provided in your close network and get more comprehensive analysis so you can save yourself lots of money and time and effort and make the right choices earlier.

Liz Walton:

Yeah. Well, I love that. I think that's a really good thing to finish with. You know, make sure if it's not been working for a while, check and make sure you ask for those, the right type of tests for semen analysis. That's a good top tip to leave with. So, um, Ash, I know that you are a super busy man doing amazing things in this world. I really want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this conversation today. I think it's been really fruitful and about giving a deeper um understanding of well, take home men tests, really.

Ash Ramachandran:

Thank you so much for making the time, Liz. I really appreciate it having a chat with you as well.

Liz Walton:

Oh, thank you so much. So you take care. I really look forward to seeing you at the fertility, the Melbourne Fertility Summit, which is happening on the 8th of November. And um for all of our listeners out there, if you have questions, come and find out. If your man is having issues with fertility, or you know, if you're if you're a man and you want to find out about your fertility, come along and um discover sapien and the take-home test kits because they'll be there to talk to, as well as being um on the male fertility panel, and I think as well as a speaker. So I'm really excited to meet you in person and also just to hear you speak, because you speak very well, Ash.

Ash Ramachandran:

I appreciate it. Thanks, Les. Definitely looking forward to being at the show as well.

Liz Walton:

Me too. All right, my lovely. Thank you once again. And with that, we will bid you um, we we will bid you adieu, as they say. Thank you for your time. And um, I think to leave where there's um remember if there's Things aren't working to ask. I ask for those the right type of tests for your semen analysis.

Helen Zee:

And with that, sending you lots of love to everybody out there. Thanks for joining us at the Home of Fertility. We hope today's episode brought you clarity, comfort, and connection.

Liz Walton:

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Helen Zee:

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Liz Walton:

Remember the missing piece might be waiting in a story, your body's wisdom, or something new just made for you. Take care. Take care, and we'll see you next time.