Forgiveness Without Approval, with Elaina Royston (E. Marie Speaks): Episode 379

What if forgiveness didn’t mean saying it was okay? This conversation with E Marie Speaks pulls back the curtain on life after trauma and shows how faith, art, and discipline can turn survival into steady growth. We start with the hard naming of childhood molestation and the way trauma scrambles time, then trace how a single poem unearthed what was still unhealed: confusing forgiveness with approval. That pivot—offering grace without erasing harm—becomes a cornerstone for real change.

From stage to page, E Marie treats spoken word as more than performance. She calls it a purge, a way to move what the body holds into language that can finally leave. We talk honestly about raw imagery, faith-filled audiences, and why truth sometimes offends before it frees. Then we follow her leap from thirteen years at Ford to real estate, a faith move thick with uncertainty. The stories of provision—a test passed while sick, gas money handed at church, a foreclosed home that still taught trust—make faith feel local and practical, not lofty.

E Marie’s blueprint for lasting healing is simple and demanding: deliverance without discipline leads right back to bondage. She outlines the daily habits that protect progress—affirmations to rebuild self-worth, journaling to track triggers, movement and sunlight to steady the nervous system—and shares why structure is love in action. We also spotlight her affirmation coloring books and guided journal celebrating Black children, designed with images and activities that reflect their beauty and keep their attention. By the end, you’ll have language for forgiveness, tools for routine, and a new respect for how creativity and spirituality can anchor a life.

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Transcript

Meet E Marie Speaks

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome back, listeners. I'm Robin Black, and this is It's All About Healing Podcast. Today we have a very special guest, Miss Elena. E. Marie speaks. She is also a spoken word artist as well. And today we're just going to be speaking about healing and what life is like after trauma. So, Miss Elena, how are you?

SPEAKER_01 0:21

I am well. I am well. How are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:23

I am doing well. It is so nice to meet you. So tell us a little bit about yourself.

Naming Trauma And Lost Time

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Oh, so Elena slash E Marie Speaks is. I always I often say I am. I am a spoken word artist. I am an author. I am a transformalist. No, it's not a word. You can't look it up. Don't put in chat GPT because that is me. It's what God God has labeled me as is his daughter. I am a king's kid. That's that's the most important part. I am renewed. I am I'm saved. I am restored. I am, E Marie speaks.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

I love that. So what's you said life after trauma. So what's what has happened and what and how have you healed from it?

Writing As Purge And Prayer

SPEAKER_01 1:18

That that makes me say, okay, God, where which one am I gonna talk about? Like what trauma are we talking about? So I am unfortunately, there's so many of us. I am a child molestation survivor three times over. My mom's boyfriend, my mom's fiancee, and some little boy in the neighborhood. I don't really know when what I have learned. I guess uh me and God have kind of labeled it. Um, I lose time when trauma happens, and not just from childhood, just any kind of trauma. So it's somewhere between, I guess somewhere around seven, eight-ish, kind of when it started. The details are fuzzy between the second molestation and the third one. Yeah, I'm not really sure which one happened first. And now that I'm an adult, I think the one uh with the boy in the neighborhood actually probably happened before my brother's boyfriend. And he got up. Yeah, I'm saved, so I won't say what he said, but he got up, he was like D-A-M-M. I'm gonna be on pins and needles until you have your until you get up, until you uh get your period. Yeah. Um, so I think I was like 13 or so, 12 12, 13 or so when that happened. But here's the thing that trauma, I ain't gonna say that was the easy trauma to get beyond, but because it happened early, and because I have been kingdom for a while, like I was good. I can I can talk about it, I don't feel nothing, I don't want to cry, don't nothing pull in my stomach. But from a spoken word perspective, I remember when God came to me and he said you gotta write about it. I said, Write about it for what? I'm like, I'm good, I'm cool. And he said, Because you write, I'm like that, and that's before I even realized the the level and depth of the gift that I had. He said, Because you're a writer, you have to write, you have to write it. That's the that's the last part of you writing it. And I remember when I wrote it, God showed me a place in me that still needed healing. Like I was good, but when there's a part in I call it uh it's perverted passion, what's called is and it says, Healing now has to be my understanding, his need not to be a bastard, a father child. And now I must pray that he's no longer the grown-up lover to the girl child that died within he is my brother, the blood of Jesus covers even him totally. Yeah, and I'm like, wait, I'm sorry, like what do you mean? Like, he do you know what he did to me? Yeah, God said, Yeah, they're right there. That's what I'm after. That's what I'm after. Healing now has to be Elena. You're understanding his need not to be a bastard, a fatherless. I'm like, Yeah, he needs to die, bastard. And I don't mean that in a cuss word sense, I mean in the sense, you know, a fatherless child. Like, you kidding me? Like, he you want me to like, I should be able to see him and offer him salvation. Nope. Right, that's not gonna happen. And God said, That's what I need to heal. A lot of other stuff had happened, when it happened, what he did, like you're beyond all that, you know. But that part right there, you have to understand, yeah, he has a right to the truth of life, and that was hard.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Yeah, absolutely. And so, what did you what did you do? Like, what has your journey been like trying to understand that?

Forgiveness Without Saying It’s Okay

SPEAKER_01 4:33

I it was just I had to take I had to spend time in God's presence. I really had to commit to commit myself to doing the work. And you know, I think we've heard it before, but when you have to walk it out, it's different. I think for me, having to embrace the fact that forgiveness meant to me that now it was okay, and I God had to show me and allow me to understand that forgiveness has nothing to do with approval, like you're not in forgiving, in forgiving, you're not saying what he did, okay. Elena, what was done to you was not okay. But I'm like, what do you mean? Like, if I see him, are you saved? Do you know? Do you know Jesus? Like what do you? I don't understand what you mean. What are we talking about here? That's not it's it's just the way he said it. Like, but I'm that's what I'm saying to God, you know. You know, I'm really having this conversation with God, and he's like, No, Elaine. I said, So what is it then? What do you know about Jesus? He all right, like God, what we doing? Yeah, and he was like, That's the part of you that I need to heal, yeah, because it's gonna hang you up and it's gonna hinder, hinder your forward move. And I had to understand and release the thought process that my forgiveness was tied to it being okay, yeah, and that was huge for me. Like understanding that they don't they felt like they were in the same space, but they really weren't. And they said, Oh, you know, forgiveness ain't for them, it's for you. It sounds good when somebody's telling you, but when you're walking it out, right? It's something different. Yeah, I ain't forgiving him, he stole my childhood. Like, I couldn't have been a virgin, like I he took my virginity, yeah, gone with his vile, nasty self. Guys, like, yeah, right there, right there. That's what I want. That's what I'm after. Yeah, and it was a process of me first being honest. Yeah, I had to be honest with God that I was angry. I'm angry that you even asked me to do that. I'm mad, and I don't want to talk no more today. Yeah, so I get with you tomorrow, right? Yes, that's what it was. You know, like we're gonna we because you're gonna have to come with you something different. Maybe you need a nap. Yeah. They say you don't sleep no slump nor slumber, but I think you need a nap.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

That's and I and I and I like how you said you felt that it was tied to it being okay, because I think that's where a lot of us have that that issue of trying to forgive others, you know, because they say, well, you just forgive first and understand why later. And I think that is what is very hard because I never realized it but until you just said that. But forgiveness is sometimes attached to, okay, well, if I forgive you, that means what you did to me or what you do to others is okay. And it's not. That's that's a very hard. Oh, that's a real hard one to kind of understand and kind of break down and heal through that. So I'm very glad that you did.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

And I think writing the piece helped me. Um, God allowed me to see that most poets are are purge poets. Now, you got your ones that write about, you know, black on black crime or they write about all the whatever. But when you're talking about something you've been through, you're you're writing about it because you're purging it from you. So for me, I had to admit as a Christian, and like I said, like if I do this in a a Christian environment, if I say bastard, everybody gonna run, they're gonna run out the dough. Like, how do I say that? And there's another part that that I'm not gonna say take it out. I don't really do it that much anymore. But I don't, I depending on what circle I'm in, because only a person who loves spoken word or is a spoken word artist will understand some of the imagery and they and and know that I'm not necessarily in that place and I'm not still still broken, but in order to purge this, this is my truth, saved or not saved. And so one of the instead for that do you have a super sensitive audience? No, okay. So one of the lines in this the piece is for that sick bastard's end result for discharge. Yes, I said it is not a cuss word for me. He's got to be a child without a father, a heavenly father that is, he could not have possibly been his, right? So the Christian crowd would say, What did she just say? He was sick, yeah, and he was there's no way that he could have been God could have been his father, but understanding the imagery and the discharge was so much more than the actual act, but only somebody who knows spoken word understands. I'm talking about so much more than just the physical act, because somebody who does that is getting more than just, but you have to be you you have to love the art to understand absolutely some of the rawness that it brings.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Absolutely. I I am a spoken word artist myself, and I definitely understand what you mean, especially when you said it's about purging, you purge your feelings out because there will be people out there that say, Okay, well, that's not poetry, that's not a poem, that's not really that. But there's many forms at the end of the day, it's about being your true authentic self, and that's like you said, you have to have that appreciation for the art in other in order to understand it. So I do get that. And what else do you do, Miss Elena?

Raw Imagery In Spoken Word

From Ford To Real Estate By Faith

Provision Stories And Sufficient Grace

SPEAKER_01 10:10

So by tra by trade, I am a real estate broker, so I do that pretty good at it, but I really feel God's shifting me. I coach, I've coached agents, but now what I see that God is doing in my life is he's doing a new thing and he's doing an unwritten thing, and so that's hard to navigate when you don't have anybody to show you the way. Yeah, so when God gave me Transformers, he was very, he was very clear that this is not a conference. Yes, you can do a conference, yes, you can preach, yes, you can teach, but that's not that that ain't this, yeah. And I was like, God, so what what what are we doing? He said, We're moving beyond a conference because people leave with notes but no strategy. People leave with notes but no change. What you can't label it transformation transformers without it being transformation, yeah. And so then became the journey of what that meant. So I'm that, and then of course, I'm an author. I have three books. My first book was Daily Dose. I wrote that literally on the floor. I lost, so I would I worked at Ford Motor Company for 13 years, and when I came here, I thought I was gonna be here, and they closed that. I was here two years and they closed the plan. I'm like, okay, so where are we going, guys? He said, I didn't tell you. I told you to come to Atlanta, I didn't tell you. I'm like, so what you think I'm gonna do? Like, I can't do hair, I can't do nails, I don't have any skills. Like, this is my kind of I don't have any gifts, like all I can do is is factory work because I had limited myself to what I I know what I knew. I mean, I got hired on a four to 20 22 years old. So it's all I knew. I I barely graduated high school. I did I I didn't I wasn't educated, I didn't have anything to offer the world. Yeah, so like what what what do you want from me? Like, I am a single mom, like I make good money, I have great benefits, I have retirement, so I'm not I'm not really that's about another one of those. I'm not sure what you're talking about, right? Yeah, because I'm retiring for four. That was my plan, yeah. I don't know what you got on going up on there up in heaven, but I plan to retire early. So, what we doing, and then God told me to go in real estate. I'm like, I don't feel like this now, but I'm like, I'm a dummy, I can't do what do you mean? What do you mean? Go to school, uh school, yeah. Right, yeah, no, no, that's not God, that's the devil. Yeah, they didn't get thee behind me because you did not, the God did not say go to school, yeah. But yes, God said go to school, and Ford had a lot of things they offer their employees to help them transition from the plant, so the school was offered at no cost. And see, here's the thing. Yeah, I don't think I have to worry about that. So I haven't told this story because I have to be careful with it, but I won't say her name. But our instructor, we had some very vocal Christians, okay, and all them very vocal Christians failed the test, even as one of them. We was in there talking about God is the great ass, you know. We were always talking about Jesus, you know what I'm saying? Everybody else didn't talk about God pass, but us are real people, yeah. And so she she waited for everybody to leave. And I was like, What why what are we here for? Why are we waiting for them to leave? She's like, just trust me, and she said, So all y'all, when they left, like 40 minutes after we got finished, it felt like four hours. Yeah, she said, Oh, y'all, how y'all failed? Every last one of y'all failed. And she said, Here's the test. I can't help y'all with state, like y'all on your own. Because it's not like that, but you know, just don't give yourself a hundred. Yeah, what the the day I went in for my test. Oh my god, I know those people. If it thank god it wasn't covet, them people would have put me out. I had been sick all night long. I was like that, I was sick in there, but it was too late for me to cancel and I had paid. Yeah, I don't remember one of them questions. Yeah, I don't know how I passed because I I I think I just laid on the on the desk, and one of the angels was just answering the question because I was she like you gotta I whatever the one point away is where you would have failed, it was it was only by it was only by the grace of God, it was kind it was the confirmation that I needed that that was what what I was supposed to do, even though it didn't make sense to me, right? And I didn't have the the presence of mind, I didn't have any business sense or any business acumen at that point in my life, and so the next phase was a real journey because I I'm not gonna say I lost everything. God told me to stop saying that because when I made the decision not to move forward forward, I made the decision that whatever came, see that's what we got to understand about faith. When we make a step of faith, we don't know what's tied to it. Because if God showed us the roadmap, we would not say yes. Oh, like right here, you're gonna lose your house, and yeah, here you're gonna be walking because your car was repossessed. Like if he showed you the road, what everything that was attached, the domino effect of your faith, he'd be like, Oh no, I ain't signing up for that. Right, it's good over here, yeah. So I I went on to sacrifice everything that I had acquired under Ford when I decided to go on real estate. House gone, cars, gone, retirement, gone, savings, gone, everything. Yeah, and I remember when my house was foreclosed on at a time that I could pay the mortgage. That's what was particularly profound was that I was working on a loan modification. Oh, don't worry about it, Miss Royston. You know, you're gonna be fine, you're gonna get approved. And then they told me that I had two weeks to be out. Wow. And it was hard for me because like a year ago I couldn't pay my mortgage. I could have paid it. I was just trying to get the modification. You cannot have a current mortgage, you can't be current on your mortgage. And it I look back now and I realize it was just time, it was the time and it was the season, you know, for God to for me to learn God at a different level. And he had been showing me, you know, I I have always operated in faith, but you know, it's level to level, glory to glory. And seeing God in that space of Ford to real estate was me really learning what faith was and how God shows up, and how He truly is a provider, and He truly is your first husband, and He will, you know, miracle money. Listen, listen, I know that listen, God don't play about me. I listen when I know when I tell you God, I have learned God in a way you can't tell me that God is not a provider. Like there's nothing you could ever say to me to get me to believe that I could be losing my house, and you couldn't tell you couldn't tell me that God's not a provider. Yeah, I could be losing my car and you can't tell me that God's not I could have no food in my cabinet, and you could not get me to believe that he's not a provider, right? Because I just have learned that he is, yes, it's not predicated upon what I'm going through in this exact moment. You know, it's I I never get my good, she wasn't as good a friend as she is now, but she was one of my worst clients in the whole wide world, yeah. And she came to my house to visit, and she said, So what are we having for breakfast? And I said, Well, I don't know. And she opened up my pantry and she's like, Oh, you guys crackers? I said, Yeah, you'd be surprised. Eat some crackers and drink some water swell up in your stomach. And she was like, That is not funny. I'm like, but it's true, you know. Trust me, I've learned if you eat some crackers and drink the water, it's gonna you're you're gonna be all right. You don't need no meat. You don't need no me. Listen, quote, children in Africans dying. Listen to me. I got crackers, they be glad. That is not funny. I'm like, well, what do you want me to say? She said, You should have told me you didn't have any food. I said, It's not your responsibility to take care of me. You didn't tell me to leave my job, God did. Yeah. So she said, We're going to get some food. I said, No, we're not. And she said, I now know, looking back, that that's like the person on the island, the guy sent the boat. You say, No, God's gonna come save me, send the helicopter, say, No, God's gonna come save me. And you get to heaven, say, God is not just gonna say, Well, what do you think the boat and the helicopter, you know that's it? And the raft was that was me saying so. That I understand now that that's what that was. I was like, No, God's gonna provide. She said, Listen, I like to eat, and I'm not, I cannot stay here with no food in this house. Ain't no crackers swelling up in my belly. We went to the grocery store, and but God's showing me his provision, a single mom. Um, when I was a member of a church, it was about 35 minutes from my house. And I said, Okay, God, I'm on pulpit ministry this Sunday, and I don't have enough gas to go to Bible study and church. So, what are we doing? He said, sufficient enough for today's own trouble. I said, No, God, for real. Because even if I get a day, like because this is how I talk to God. So, like, even if I get a contract today, it's not gonna close by Friday. So, where am I gonna get the money from? Sufficient enough for I said, I'm so sick of this. That's like a parable. Sufficient enough for today is his own trouble. He said, Why? He said, He said, That's before daughter. He's like, Elena, why are you worried about Sunday? Wednesday, yeah. Because sir, sir, sir, sir, sir. I ain't got no money. It's Wednesday, it's after business hours, just Thursday. Just again, do you understand it's Thursday? You uh you do understand it's okay. All right. So, what are we doing? Silence. Yeah, it's just like I'm not gonna keep talking to you. I don't know how they told you sufficient in the work. What are you still talking to me about that for? I'm not gonna keep talking. That's what like your parents say. I'm not gonna keep, don't keep asking me that. But it's so true. I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey, did you hear me? Yeah, like girl, I'm not fooling with you. Bible study, when the single mom walked up to me and she said, God told me to give you this, and she had it bought up. She put it in my hand. Of course, if it was bought up, she let anybody see it. Yeah, so I get out after Bible study, I open it up, it was$40. It would have been amazing if it was$400, but it was$40. Yeah, it was$40. I didn't even have enough gas to get home. Now, like, true story, I didn't have enough gas to get home. And I went to the gas station. That wouldn't this this was like this is back when when stuff was cheap. Yeah, so I could I had a little Nissan Central, so I was able to fill up my little gas tank with like$23,$24 to have me a little money in the problem. Yeah, and I was coming down the steps at the house I had back then. I said, Okay, I said, God, why have you never shown me this side of you? And I felt like God kind of chuckled. He said, You've never needed me to. Wow, yeah, and I'm like, Okay, yeah, okay, and learning him like that was hard, but it was a beautiful experience. It's it's beautiful to live out what the word tells us. Yes, so when people are talking to me about what they have need of, I'm like, have you surrendered or have you given first of all? Do you are are you faithful in your giving? Mm-hmm. Like, what do you mean? I can't afford tithe. No, baby, you can't afford not to tithe.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Well, I don't know what they're doing with the money. Well, then you you're not at the right church. You need to go to a church where you should or you church. Leadership, yeah. What are we doing? Trust leadership, yeah. So yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Um, yeah, wow, it is amazing talking to you. What else? You said that you also did children's books or coloring book.

Tithing, Surrender, And Trust

SPEAKER_01 22:18

What was it? So I don't know why I did this coloring book, but I I was I look at all these things on social media and society's definition of what beautiful is, it's always been that. And I say this as proper as I can. Um, society's definition of beautiful is olive skin. Society's definition of beautiful is blonde hair, society's definition of beautiful is tiny waistlines, but most of which, even if you take away the blonde hair and if you take away the olive skin, most of which don't represent our culture, yeah. Because oftentimes even people who are of slender stature still are a little curvy, yeah. So I I really wanted something that spoke to who we are so that our little brown girls know that they're beautiful, yeah. Oh, that's so sweet. So it's an affirmation coloring book, and they pop off the page. And I created it, and when I was creating it, I knew it was God, yeah. Uh, and then I did boys and boy, the boys' book. Oh, if I if I thought the girls' book was hard, yeah, finding images, nice images of black boys was so because you can put in coloring book images of black boys, and they're gonna still give you olive children, yeah. Wow, so finding it, and then I put this coloring book together. I'm starting to, and I'm I'm so proud of it, and I send it to two people who have boys, and they're like, Yeah, they put it down after five minutes. I'm like, What? What's going on? What are we doing? And boys and girls are different, yeah. So boys needed more activities, yeah. So I had to take out some of them colour pages and fill it with more activities and things that would speak more to boys. So I finished the girls' coloring book, then I finished the journal, and then I finished the so the girls' coloring book is uniquely uniquely me, and then the boys' coloring book is blazing boys activity because there's more activities and color than uh pages, but blazing boys activity and coloring book, and then the uh guided journal, my personal journal journey, and it's a beautiful brown, beautifully brown uh woman with full lips and big hair. Uh-huh.

Creating Affirmation Books For Kids

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Oh, nice. And where can we get the this journal and the coloring books?

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Amazon. So the subtle seeds is on Amazon, the Uniquely Me Girls Coloring Book is on Amazon, and so is the butt. You know what, Dora? Listen, you can ask me about that. You hear me? I can show them to you. I can show them to you live and then live in color. I didn't think to have. So this is what the blazing boys color books look looks like.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Oh, okay, nice.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

Okay, and the uniquely me. I love that. So those are my oh in the journal. This is oh, yeah, I like that. Okay, yeah, and it's fully colored. Okay, that's what's different. So it's got color pages in there and it's prompted.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

So yeah, yeah. So I'll definitely be adding that down in the show in the show notes as well. Yay, thank you. I can send you the link. So is there anything, any type of advice, suggestions, or anything that you want to give the listeners?

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Along what kind of give me some guidance along what lines?

SPEAKER_00 25:59

Anything like you said, trauma, being a spoken word artist, like any being a real estate broker, anything.

Discipline That Protects Deliverance

SPEAKER_01 26:08

Well, I think what I would tell people is understanding that God is a deliverer, He does, but deliverance in the absence of discipline is a ticket back to being bound. That we have to make sure that in our on our healing journey, as we seek God for clarity, for more, for healing, that we understand that we have a responsibility, that it doesn't just come and we expect God to do all the heavy lifting, that there is a responsibility attached to whatever God does in our lives. We have to maintain it. So, what does that look like? That looks like for for somebody who needs something to do, it may be coloring. For somebody else, it's journaling, for somebody else, it's making sure you take a walk and making sure you get outside, for somebody else, it's putting the structure in place. What are you gonna do now? Now that healing is now manifesting in your life, how are you gonna keep those thoughts, those deeds, those things? Because oftentimes there's so much attached to the things we've been healed from, and we have trauma responses attached to that. So now that we're delivered, how do we stay delivered? Now that we're on our healing journey, how do we not take two steps back when we're already taking five steps forward? It's because we now have to apply disciplines to our lives, and people don't realize the need to do that. Discipline may be you getting up and making sure you're doing affirmations every day because what happened in your life, you now have low self-esteem. So you now have to speak to yourself and say, I am worthy, I am lovable, I am. So now you are gonna come against the very thing that the enemy wants you to continue to believe about yourself. So, what discipline do you need to now walk in and walk through in life to make sure that the work that God is doing and the deliverance that God has manifested stays that way and that you grow from it, that you go to a different level and you don't get pulled back to the very thing that God has pulled you out of. Um, we're not pulled back because God doesn't want us to be free, we're pulled back because we haven't done, we don't know what we're supposed to do differently. We got to fill that space with something. Absolutely.

Affirmations And Filling The Space

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Oh my gosh, I love that. Fill that space with something there, and then it is because not only does God conceal some of the things for us to find to what that He wants us to seek and find. But like you said earlier, is identifying ourselves with whatever problem is. Oh, I know me. I had you know, a lot of people use that verbiage of saying my problem is X, Y, and Z. But like you said, those daily affirmations that'll kind of help alleviate that and get us to kind of change how we speak to ourselves and how we speak about ourselves. So thank you so much for that. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Miss Elena. This has been a wonderful, wonderful podcast. And I do appreciate that you came on today. Thank you for having me. No problem at all. No problem. And again, I'm Robin Black. This is It's All About Healing Podcast. Everyone, stay blessed.