Hey guys, welcome to the Free Alliance podcast. This is Sarah and Whitney. Ok, guys, you guys asked or we asked you, I should say of what topics you wanted to hear and swim and swim safety. And what is ISR was a topic that we kept hearing? So we have brought you Isrs Swim Safety, one of my good friends, Ashley and she is here with us today, Ashley. Welcome. Thanks for having me. Wonderful. Can you tell our listeners a little about yourself? Sure. Um I'm a mom, I have a five year old son who um is a great swimmer now and um I'm an ISR instructor. 

I started off coaching and sort of how I got into the aquatic world. So sort of on the other side of what I'm doing now. Um And really when I had my son got into aquatic safety because it's so important and people don't talk about it enough. And that's what led me to become a certified ISR instructor. And so now I teach babies how to swim. Love that. Yeah. You know, prepping for this. 

I always like to look up some statistics. That's just, that's my a little like that's what I do and I did not realize this but um, it said more Children ages 1 to 4 die from drowning than any other cause of death. 5 to 14. It's the second leading cause of um, unintentional injury or death after motor vehicle crashes. And there's an average of 11 drownings deaths per day and then 22 non fatal drownings per day, which I'm like, oh my gosh. Um, and it just, I think we hear about it in the like the horrible, tragic stories, right? And it's like it flashes up on the news. 

We all get kind of just like, oh my gosh, we got to do something about this and just like anything because there's been a lot of scary stuff in the world recently. We kind of just go about our day and we're like, ok, let's make this a thing we do with our kids or I'll sign them up eventually. But our hope here in talking to you is just really bring to light what moms can do, right? Or parents for say that we can do. Yeah. So let's start off with what, in your opinion is the top safety precautions parents can take against drowning. Yeah. So first off, I wanna say, yes, I'm so glad you guys are doing this because this is such an important topic and people don't realize that it, it, it, it's, it's so it happens all the time into good parents. 

These are not, you know, parents who are not watching their kids, they are good parents just like you and I, and um it, it can happen to anyone. Um And so everybody needs to take precautions for this and needs to be to make aquatic safety a priority. Um So when we're talking about safety, we always talk about layers of protection. So there's not one thing you need to do, there's lots of different things you, you need to do. Um Of course, I teach um survival swim lessons, ISR swim lessons that is a layer of protection. 

We want that to be the last sort of thing that happens. We want a child to get into the water and falling in to be the last thing that we want them to get through all the other barriers first. Um So first off, obviously, the  most important is effective supervision. Um you know, this, it's so easy. I mean, we all do it, we start talking to each other and then we just turn away for one minute or we're distracted by another child and you know, that could be the time the child goes in. It can be a time when you're not swimming, which most drownings happen when you're not actually swimming at the pool. Um So that's why it's so important if there's a pool around to, you know, to have that effective adult supervision. Um CPR is another one, I think a lot of the times I think when you have a baby, or at least I know when I had my son, they sort of told us we should get the in, you know, infant CPR thing. 

It's just an important thing to know that if an emergency ever does happen that you're ready and prepared. Um, so keep that up to date. Um, alarms are big. So alarms on, um, any door that leads to a pool. So if you have a pool at home, any doors that lead to a pool need to have an alarm on them. 

Um, and then including doggie doors, this is another big one people don't think about. But if you have a doggie door kids can get through there. So make sure you have an alarm on that doggy door. I think you can get little, um, necklaces that are censored that it only opens when the dog a great point. Uh, that wasn't on my radar at all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a big one people don't think about, you know, but it, it has happened before where it has gotten through, um, through a doggy door and, you know, unfortunately has drowned. 

Um, and pool fences is another big one. If you have a pool, make sure there is a fence around the pool and with a self latching, um, lock, you can also put another alarm on that, on that gate as well. Um, we just don't want those kids getting in there, make sure you put all your toys away in a pool. So that's another thing. I mean, we know kids, they love their toys and if they see something in the fence that they want, they're gonna do everything they can to get over that fence and reach towards that pool, um, or reach towards that, um, that toy. Um, so, yeah, I mean, those are, those are sort of the, the main things that you need to have set in place, you know, if you have a pool, um, if you don't have a pool, make sure you're going to places that a fence is around the pool. You know, if you're renting a vacation home, don't rent a vacation home where that, you know, if your child is not prepared, you know, um, because stuff happens on vacation, you know, so, well, and we can't, I guess be in control of the fence around the pool and those and the alarms and things like that. So that's a good point if, if you're going on vacation and there's a pool at that house, make sure your kids are ready to be in a pool that they can get their head above water. Literally. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. What do you see is like the most common pitfalls, you know, like you see, even as like a mom when you and Bishop go out and like, you, you know, at the pool or it's a pool party or like you see, just every day that, you know, we just don't realize that we're doing that's putting our child essentially at risk for drowning. Like the most common kind of like, oh, let's not do that. Like the doggy door. 

That was huge for me. I didn't know about that. Like it for me. I mean, I would say, besides all the layers of protection, obviously, but I think a big thing that makes me cringe when I go to our pool and I see this is any sort of flotation devices. So the puddle jumpers that you know, everybody thinks is safe um is keeping their child safe. 

It's actually putting your child more at risk. Um What these cause our Children to do is to think that if they're in a vertical position because that's what position they are in, in these puddle jumpers that they can get air and they can't when, when they are, if they do not have these on, they will get in that vertical position because that's what they have been trained to do. These are not swimming aids, they do not teach your kids how to swim. So if they find the water without their puddle jumper, which once again, like I said, most drownings happen during non swim hours, the puddle jumpers will make them think they need to get in a vertical position to get air and that is what we call the drowning position. A little kids do not have the strength or the ability to tread water. Um, and so what they need to do in order to get air is to roll on their back and that's what we teach them in. 

ISR lessons are part of what we teach them. Um, and, um, the, the puddle jumpers are just, you know, they, they might keep your child from, you know, during regular swim hours. I know you don't have to watch them. You know, it's just easier, especially when you have multiple Children. Like I get that, that's, it's, it's tough sometimes. Um But it's important not for the kids to know that they cannot swim without these puddle jumpers. And the only way that they learn that is by not having them on. Um So that's just one thing that makes me cringe and, you know, parents think they're doing the right thing and, you know, we always say, um, you know, you know, better, you do better, right? Like you, you, if you don't know, you don't know, you're doing what you think is best for your child and until somebody tells you otherwise, you know, you, you, you do it. So I'm really glad you hit on this because that was actually one of the questions I was gonna ask was, you know, I've seen the graphics online about puddle jumpers and how it is honestly detrimental to kids. But my next question with that would be what about a life vest? Because I grew up going to lakes, rivers, things of that nature and we were not allowed on the boat without our life vest. How do you feel about that? Yeah. So I'm very glad you brought that up. And I should have mentioned that when I was talking about that. 

When I'm talking about the puddle dumpers and any flotation device, I'm talking about a pool only when you're on a boat, when you're in open water, murky water. And you know how lakes are 100% we a life vest. And if you buy the right type of uh life vest, they, you can actually go on your back. So they will, you know, it forces you to go on your back almost. So, um, so, you know, those are good and, and we always say, you know, if you are, you know, if you're a big boat person and you're on the boat all the time, um, in those life jackets and everything, um make sure you're taking them to the pool too without, without any flotation devices on. So you can sort of counteract that as much as you can just so they realize that when they don't have their life just on when they don't have that, that they, you know, that they cannot swim. 

So, so my next question with that was if you're going to the beach or something like that because we did that last summer and my poor oldest one, we had to skip a few years of swim lessons because of code. So we've just gotten her started back into swim lessons last year and we went to the beach and I still made her wear her life vest because I thought, what if there's like an under toe or current things like that? And you would have thought I was the crazy parent because my child was the only one in the life vest. Right. Right. Yeah. No, it's important because, I mean, even if you think, ok, they're scared of the ocean, they're not going to get in you just, right. 

You just never, no. You know, I mean, sometimes the ocean's crazy. You can be in the ocean. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And if they love the ocean even, even more of a reason to put it on because they're just gonna go in. 

But, you know, I mean, you can be in six inches of water and then all of a sudden it's 2 ft and it's covering up, you know, the kid's head. So, um, you know, and they are natural waters and then no life vest for a pool. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. And so what's your, so the moms out there? They're like, ok, what do I do? Right. I haven't got my kid in swim lessons. 

We're going to these parties, we're going to pool parties or, you know, it's in the neighborhood or I have, you know, my kid doesn't know how to swim. They're younger. What, what can I do? Like, let's role play. We're going to a pool party, we're going to a neighborhood pool. We're not doing the float. What can we do as a parent that we're gonna be? Like, what's, what's our game plan here? Yeah. So I would say first off, you need to have somebody that's watching the pool and when I say watching the pool, that doesn't mean, you know, there's a bunch of adults standing around the pool and you're all talking and we always say if, if, if um if everyone is watching the pool, no one's watching the pool, right? 

All you get distracted, you get in conversations and it literally happens to all of us. And so in that, you know, five seconds you're not, you know, listening to your or you're not uh paying attention to your child and not constantly watching them, you know, it can happen. Um So, and I'd like to say those Johnny statistics that's not even counting. So it's the leading cause of death, but that's not even counting all the non fatal drownings. So you add those in, I mean, it's just, it just, it happens so quickly. Um But yeah, so I would say if there's not a lifeguard there and even if there, there is a lifeguard there, it's still better just to tag team with, with your husband, with your partner, um, with another parent um, and just say you are going to what you're responsible for watching the pool. 

Now, um, that person should not be talking to anyone else. They are literally watching the kid and making sure they're all safe, making sure no one who shouldn't be in the water falls in anything like that. Um, and just take turns to doing that. Um, and you know, I know it's hard at parties because you're having fun, you know, you want to talk, but you really have to take that time when it's your responsibility to watch the water that you are watching the water. Um, and also to keep in even, like, say you're at a birthday party or, you know, a pool party even. And everybody, their pizza comes and everybody goes to the table and is eating pizza. 

That is the perfect time. Like I said, during nonslip hours that a, a child is gonna find the water. So somebody should be watching the water even during that time. Yes. Absolutely. What about, what do you dress your son in when you're going to the pool or a pool party? What is, what do you do? 

I know, um, there are probably some tips and tricks there that a swim instructor safety ISR would tell, you know, would do for, like you would do for Bishop versus, you know, a mom who wouldn't know. So, what would you do to prep him? Yeah. So, I mean, number one talk to him. Um, you know, and, and let him know, I mean, my son is fully skilled. 

He's on the swim team now, but even still, I still watch him like a hawk in the water. He's still only five, you know. Um, so one thing that is important to do is to have your child in brightly colored swimsuits. Um, so there's, um, pictures out there about it and the, the pitch really, you can see how this the, you know, the difference. Um But you know, colors, cool colors that are the same color as the pool. Um Blue green, light greens, you know, things like that when a child is underwater and has those swimsuits on, they're very, they're much harder to spot, you know, if you're just doing a quick scan of the pool, you might not even see that a child's underwater if they have on those um cool color suits. 

Um, water color suits. Um So we recommend brightly colored suits. Anything on the warm side, neon colors are best so bright pinks, bright oranges, bright, you know, neon greens. Um Anything that is brightly colored when you do that quick skin, you're immediately gonna see that child if they're underneath the water and need help. Um because drowning is silent. So a child, you think, you know, they're gonna be splashing around, you know, help, you know, or not even screaming, but just splashing around, it just does not happen. 

They just sink and, and that you don't even, it's silent. You don't even know that's so important. I'm glad you said that. It's like, just like you said. So, drowning does not look like what we think drowning as an adult looks like for a child. It doesn't look like what movies and TV would portray it to be. 

It's just like you mentioned, they can kind of slip and it's very subtle. Mhm. So, do they kind of just, so what do you, what do you typically see as, like if its first catch, if, if you're scanning a pool for a kid in trouble, what is the first thing that you would recognize instantly? Obviously, then if they're not like underwater and unresponsive, but like, what's the stages of like seeing them and being like you got to intervene now? Um, I mean, I would say if a child's not moving, obviously, um if it's a young child that, you know, can't swim. Um, and I mean, that's really it because, I mean, they're gonna go, they're gonna just like, immediately go underwater and be in that vertical position if, if they don't, if they're not skilled or if they've been in puddle jumpers before. 

Um, so, I mean, yeah, you're just looking for, for that. Yeah. Yeah, it's very, yeah, it, it's very, very quick. I think the child can go unconscious and II, I believe it's two minutes. So it's very, very, it's, it's scary because you think especially just in this day and age, a person can pick up their phone and scroll for two minutes quickly and in that amount of time where someone takes their eyes off the pool, tragedy can happen. And that's the thing we say all the time. 

It's just, I mean, it should be a personal role. If you're that person watching you don't, you're not on your phone, you're not on Instagram, you're not listening to anything, your eyes are glued to the pool. You know, if you have to be rude to the person next to you and be like on the eyes in the pool right now. Yeah. Yeah. And some people will even, I forget the program that it's called. But um, there's like a, you can wear a lanyard that has a badge on it and you sort of switch off. So it's a more, um, a tangible way to, for people to know number one you're watching the pool. 

Um, I think it's called Pool Watcher and then, um, you know, for, for, um, for you to know. Ok, I had this on, I don't know, there's just something about my identity now. Yes, exactly. This is my time. 

So, and I like how it's, we are a pool watcher, not a kid watcher because I know like I'm gonna keep my eyes on my kids. But if I'm actually the pool watcher, I'm keeping my eyes on the pool that way. If I have my eyes on just my kid. I could ignore somebody else's kid and they could be the ones to get in trouble. But if I'm watching the pool I got everybody covered and you're just, it's just a job role. 

We all, like, take a better, you know, approach. If someone's, like, tagging it essentially. I guess this is a great time to bring up. How is ir different from traditional swim classes? Yeah. So it's, it's very different. 

And, um, and I feel like I know the differences first hand because I came from, you know, I, like I said, I was a swim coach but also taught traditional lessons. Um, so I very much know the difference and it is hands down so different. You know, the, the purpose of ISR lessons is to, is to, is survival some lessons. So if a child reaches the water by themselves, that they are able to, to self rescue, the purpose of traditional swim lessons could be to learn strokes, right? Traditional swim lessons still have their place when Children get older. Um, but to learn strokes, um, you're not necessarily when they're young and they're taking, um, you know, like five and under, they're not necessarily learning strokes and traditional swim lessons, you're practicing, putting your face in the water, you're practicing kicking, but being comfortable putting your face in the water is not going to allow you to survive. Um, in traditional swim lessons, you know, you might take a class for a, you might sign up for a couple months, once a week. 

At the end of that, they might move up to another level, but they're still not safe so it can go on forever. Sometimes it takes 2 to 3 years for a child to be safe. Whereas ISR is much more condensed. It's much more, um, um, you know, it's, it's every day, Monday through Friday, um, for approximately six weeks, seven weeks, sometimes eight weeks. Um But at the end of that, at the end of that session, your child will be able to self rescue and that, that is the biggest difference. Um You know, the biggest important difference I think um you know, ISR, it's huge. 

It's been around for almost 60 years. We have 600 instructors in over 17 countries. We um go through intense training and this is the thing, you know, with traditional swim lessons, there's some training programs out there, but most traditional swim lesson instructors, you know, had just know from doing there's, there's no um parameters or guidelines around it. Anybody can be a traditional swim lesson, um teach traditional swim lessons. Um With ISR, we go through to be an instructor, you have to go through six weeks of full time training. So that's in water, includes in water training with Children and then also out of water training academics. So we learn so much and coming from the traditional world, I was like what, how is this gonna be? Six weeks? Like this training? Like I, I was just, but there is so much like so much you don't think about, I mean, we learned so much about safety, we learn. Uh So, and that's another thing ISR is really, really big on safety. 

I mean, obviously we're working with young kids starting at six months and um really, really big on safety. We have a, an, a, a very number of um safety precautions we have to go through during each lesson, things we have to look out for. So that is like our number one priority is safety, obviously. Um but safety during the lessons too, we want the kids to learn to be able to self rescue um in a safe environment. And so when you say self rescue, so essentially if they fall into a body of water or pool or whatever, they will float, right? Not drown. Correct. Yes. So what we're teaching them to do is so for Children ages six months to approximately a year, we can place them in any position. Um when they're fully skilled, we'll place them face down in the water, they can roll over on their back and um, and float. And so they're trained to float on their back and stay in that position until help arrives at that age. 

They're not able, they don't have the strength to go and grab the side of the wall, but they can roll over on their back and stay there until help arrives. Um And then once, uh, approximately a year to, you know, whatever age, um then we start teaching them to swim a little bit, roll over onto their back and float and then turn back over on their stomach and swim and so they can keep doing that until they get to, um, until they get to the wall or safety. Um But yeah, I mean, it's amazing, definitely go to infant swim dot com and, and look at the videos um because it is, it, it, it'll blow your mind. I mean, teaching traditional some lessons. I, when I, you know, started um researching ISR, I mean, I was blown away, you know, and I get with that all the time. So, um it's amazing what these little kids can do. 

I think it's just a lot of comfort of knowing that they can. Um you know, both my boys can, they went through swim. Um It wasn't a formal ISR but it was ISR approach with, it was a, it was a unique way, but they both essentially can do that. And that was important. What our swim instructor always said was they have to learn how to float and, you know, be confident floating and then like will, can, will, will obviously can. He's a full swimmer now. But James, that's, you know, I think when you have multiple kids and like you have one at one level and the other, it's even scarier to me sometimes because the little guy and then, like, pool parties I've noticed even with will I have to be even more alert. 

Is that because I think sometimes you think, oh, my kids is x amount of age. I'm ok. But like they are doing unsafe things in the pool when they get together with their friends and they're all just chaotic and jumping and they can, like, land on each other. Right. And like, can't get out from under. So, um, it gives me a lot of comfort to know that for my kids. 

I mean, it doesn't give me an excuse to check out. Right. I can't be like, oh, they can float, I can check out. But, so the time commitment, you said six weeks. Yeah. So approximately six weeks, the, the babies are typically a little bit shorter, 4 to 5 weeks and then the, um, uh, you know, over one swim float swim. 

Um, swimmer will be, um, approximately 6 to 7 weeks. And how long are in each session? Oh, lessons are Monday through Friday and 10 minutes every day. So that's another thing that's different. Um, with younger kids, um, short, consistent lessons are, are best, especially with the really young ones. 

I mean, this, it's hard work what we're asking them to do. So we don't want them to become fatigued. Um, obviously attention span is another thing. Um, we want to just get those good 10 minutes in just very consistently and it just, it makes such a big difference. Repetition is key. OK. So what do you tell the mom and she's like, is the baby gonna cry? Yes. So this is a very good question and one that we, we get a lot and a very good question. Um because I know it's, it's hard, you know, like you think about like your baby, like being, you know, face down in the water, it's a hard thing to watch. 

Um, so we, we are very open and honest with, with our parents. Um, a, a child is probably going to cry, especially the younger ones, the first couple weeks of lessons. Um, you know, the there are a lot of them are at that stage also where, you know, just even it being away from mommy, they're gonna cry. It's not even that they're in a pool, they don't know us. So they're getting used to us and, and learning who we are. So we have to develop that relationship with them until they're comfortable with us. So that's part of it. 

The other thing is we're asking them to do, you know, things that are new to them and hard and, you know, they don't want to do them, you know, but we know it's, it's important for them to do. Um, and so typically when the kids, um, when the kids, um, are get to know us better. We build that relationship and become comfortable in what we're asking them to do and confident, then the crying stops and they just have a blast and have so much fun. So, I, I know it's hard to watch. We always tell our parents, you know, they feed off of us. So if they're crying, just encourage them, smile at them. 

You know, I know it's, you know, it's hard not to be the one as a mom, you know, the one cuddling them when they cry, you just immediately want to cuddle them and comfort them and, um, you know, you can't do that. So, or during lessons, you know, so, um, just, you have to be strong mamas, you know, be strong. I know. It's tough. Yeah, it's so important you're doing the right thing for them. And we always, we always compare it to things like a car seat. 

You know, how many of our kids have cried in the car seat and one out. I was about to say you got, but are you gonna take him out? You know, you know, the safest thing for is for him to be in that car seat. And so that is what we sort of compare it to. It's like swim lessons, um, or ISR lessons, you know, they're, they're going to cry that first little bit and you just have to be strong and know you are doing the best thing for them. I love that. What? Um So how does someone find a U um an ISR trained instructor? So, how, where is the best way for them to Google or to search? And then, so, oh, go ahead. I was gonna say what um and hit on some people are like, what's the cost? What's if I don't have the means? Um What are their options there too? Yeah. So you can go to um Google Infant ISR locator, infant Swim, um, instructor locator that you can go to infants Wim dot com. And there's the instructor locator at the top that you can Google any of those things and, and will come up. So when you Google that you can just type in your zip code and it'll give instructors the instructors that are closest to you. 

Um, one thing to know if you find a website and, you know, it's ISR or somebody says it's ISR just make sure that the email that the, the instructor is emailing from is it's, it'll be an at infant swim dot com. So that's sort of how to know we all have that, that last year they are certified trained ISR instructor, they will have that last part to their email address. Um, and, yeah. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. And, um, because there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of other survival, some lessons out there, you know, some are better than others, you know. 

Um, I, I think, you know, ISR, like I said with the training, the safety protocols, not all other survival, some lessons have that. So it's in, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a good thing to look out for and, and make sure, you know, that they have that. So, um, but yeah, so, ISR, the, the cost is going to vary by instructor, right where you live, how much the instructor is paying for a pool, things like that. Um, you know, but I know it's, it's a lot, you know, traditional swim lessons. We honestly spend as much on traditional swim lessons, but it's just spread out over those 2 to 3 years that it takes them to learn. 

Um, and so with ISR being very intense, it can be a big, um, can be a big upfront payment. Um, you know, and so save for it if you can make it happen, do it, it is an investment, it's something that's important. Um, if you really can and there are, you know, so many people who can't, but it's still important right. There are so many scholarships out there for ISR lessons. 

Um, a lot of instructors, the first year we come out of training we have to do, um, we have to do 10 free lessons or maybe two years, two years. Um, but it's, we call it our pay it for program. Basically, we as instructors don't pay as much for training. So that in, in exchange we agree to give um do 10 scholarship ISR lessons. Um So that is one way, there's also lots of other, um, drowning prevention programs and, you know, most of the times this stems from a child who has drowned in their parents in order to, um, you know, honor their memory, they create these scholarships for ISR lessons. Um And um, so yeah, there's lots of those out there and I can provide a list to you, Sarah and you can link it, link it. Yeah. Um, and you know what? And if you can't find any of that, if all else fails, like, ask the instructor, tell them that, you know, you really want ISR lessons and you, you just really can't afford it for whatever reason and, and they might, they might give you a scholarship even if they're not required to as part of the pay it forward program, maybe they'll give you a discount, you know. Um, something. Yeah, exactly. A payment plan. Yeah. So, you know, we all ISR instructors, we are obviously we have to make a living doing this but we very much our main goal and why we're doing this, we are driven by this drowning prevention and helping keep kids safe. 

So, um, you know, there's lots of ways you can make it happen. It just might require a little bit of research to our pregnant moms. You know what people do like, um, they rest for like they want certain things. Why don't you put that on your baby rest. If you knew this as have your bunch of friends donate to that, use that money for that. Go ahead. Now make decisions that and put it in because baby rest, they can be for like forever for what you really need. 

Doesn't just have to be the newborn stage ahead. So I think that's a helpful tip. Ok? Actually, we, we know you got to get back to your ISR lessons. But we want to ask, we ask all our guests this question, what is one thing that you wish someone would have told you about motherhood before you became a mom? So I thought about this and so I'm gonna, this is a stray away from ISR lessons and, um, and uh maybe a little different than what you asked. But I would say the number one thing I wish someone had told me is to freeze my eggs if I was 30 years old and did not, was not in the facility, you know, not going to have babies soon. Um Because infertility, you know, that's obviously a whole another thing that I don't know if you guys to talk about, but, you know, no one ever told me at 30 you know, that you just didn't realize it was a thing. And so I had a little bit later in life and it was much more difficult and um, you know, you can freeze your eggs, then you can have a baby later, you know. 

So, um make the process somewhat easier and less taxing. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. We, you have a, you have a, I know a personal story. 

I know and I've got to be aware of and I would love for you one day. You know, if you want to ever share with our listeners, I think you could bring besides the ISR um hat, you could bring just the mom Ashley you did have experience to us. So we welcome you any time if you want to do that too. Well, Ashley, you're a pleasure. 

As always, we appreciate what you're doing. We try to just to get this out to our listeners is, you know, we had a, a guest tell us once, you know, sometimes you'll have a village so we have to make our village with like connecting to and like moms in this space are trying to make a difference. So we really appreciate you. Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me. All right. Thank you. All right, bye girl. Bye.