Speaker 1: You know who's been real quiet…
Speaker 2: Who that is, yo?
Speaker 1: Javanka.
Speaker 2: Ja…oh yeah, apparently she changed her name to, um, Ivanka Kushner.
Speaker 1: She changed her name to DeSantis .
Speaker 3: She's a Desantis.
Music and Speaker 1: One, two, three, four. You know, I thought about doing the guerilla on Mar-a-Lago. On Mar a Lago and like going down there seeing if I could get in.
Speaker 2: No, p…
Speaker 3: I don't know…
Speaker 2: No…
Speaker 1: I j…I thought she was like up close…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: It's a do…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: It…it looks trashy Like from a distance it actually looks kinda nice, but once you start zooming in it…it looks like a mess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they got the bed bugs and everything I don't know. I was trying to see if I could get Michael Flynn's…Mike Flynn's number since Roger…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Nah, we can’t be…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: No, we not…no, getting involved with the Flynn, QAnon crazies. They’re…
Speaker 1: But I still reach out to Roger and I'm so nice and I'm like, “Hey Rog,” cause he hates DeSantis and he used to give me so much stuff. Like he did…
Speaker 2: Here's what you do. Yeah, but the thing is like when Roger Stone gives you stuff like you don't even know how much of it is a lie.
Speaker 1: No, no, but the thing is like when it comes to DeSantis, Roger was totally on point. This was what, what? A year and a half ago?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was like, “Do you think DeSantis is going to run?” He goes, “Oh, he's going to run”.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: “There's…make no mistake about that, he is running.”
Speaker 2: Okay, well, one day we'll just do an episode on all the shit Roger Stone has leaked to you.
Speaker 1: That Roger Stone said.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I still have his text messages, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We’ll go…we’ll…
Speaker 2: That sounds like a pain.
Speaker 3: You know, if he's listening, he's not gonna…he’s not gonna answer you. Maybe you should give me his number and I'll start texting him.
Speaker 1: Oh, that sounds so good.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm a young man.
Speaker 1: You know what? No, that's perfect, Carol. No, that is perfect.
Speaker 3: I'm a young man. I want to fuck your wife. Or is it a different guy?
Speaker 1: I have Lev Parnas’ number two. If you wanna talk to him.
Speaker 2: No, that's Roger Stone. But if anything he would probably be more…
Speaker 3: Is he in jail?
Speaker 2: …particularly interested in…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Lev? No. He's out
Speaker 2: My services in that department.
Speaker 1: You don't listen to the spaces. Oh my God. Mario, spaces are insane. Like and Lev is always in there. It's always Lev and fucking Seb Gorka.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: …of all the… Seb is always…
Speaker 2: Yeah, no. Um, if you were trying to proposition…if you were trying to proposition Roger Stone's wife, it would help if you were a black man. Um, so I'm probably right for…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: I heard he's kinda gay.
Speaker 2: Ah…
Speaker 1: Little…little bit.
Speaker 2: I don’t know, Happy Pride Month. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: That's why I said I was a young man.
Speaker 1: And I don't give a fuck if he's gay, but I do give a fuck if you're trying to marginalize gay people cause you're in the closet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That I don't like.
Speaker 2: That is very unfortunate when those things happen.
Speaker 1: That's not…that's not cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fucking pride, yo.
Speaker 1: Yeah right? First day of pride bitches.
Speaker 3: Let people be proud. Let people be proud of who they are.
Speaker 1: Exactly. And leave them the fuck alone, man. Quit…
Speaker 2: Absolutely. If you want to harass someone, harass Trump's lawyers. Oh wait, there's…they're doing that themselves. Um, speaking of which. There's trouble in paralegal paradise. Trouble in paradise. The Trump legal team tasked with defending the former president in the criminal investigation into his…the classified documents that we have just spent like an hour on. Cause there’s…
Speaker 1: Trouble in paralegal paradise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cause they…
Speaker 1: You know the Tory is involved in that Cardillo story, I believe.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what? He's going to come up shortly and I mean I wish we had time for the…
Speaker 1: Ooh.
Speaker 2: …fucking…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Story. Anyway. His legal team’s been embroiled in…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …months of deep distrust and interpersonal conflict.
Speaker 1: (inaudible).
Speaker 2: These internal tensions have now reached the boiling point, threatening the effectiveness of the legal defense. As federal prosecutors near the conclusion of their inquiry. Yep, things are not going so well in the Trump legal team. If you've…if you’ve been unaware, we'll get to more details in just a moment.
Speaker 3: Making paralegals, get paralegals.
Speaker 2: The turmoil within the legal team burst into the public eye when one of the top lawyers, and…and here it comes, Tim Parlatore…
Speaker 1: Parlatore.
Speaker 2: …suddenly resigned recently and I…I believe we covered that in a previous episode. Citing irreconcilable differences with Trump senior advisor and in-house counsel, Boris Epshteyn, or whatever the fuck his name…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: No…no relation to, um…
Speaker 2: Epshteyn.
Speaker 1: …what’s that guy’s name?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one can…
Speaker 3: This is Epshteyn.
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Ep…
Speaker 2: Epshteyn, whatever the fuck his name is.
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure it's still pronounced Epshteyn.
Speaker 2: No one can get along with this individual.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: You’re…well you're Jewish Carol. So you…you….you tell us.
Speaker 3: So, I know how to say all the names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just assume that if
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …have a complicated...
Speaker 3: Epshteyn.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: Ah, that doesn’t…
Speaker 2: Stain Stein, stainz…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or Polish, Like I, just, you know.
Speaker 3: No, that's not a Polish name.
Speaker 2: No? Anyway.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't think…yeah, it doesn't look Polish to me.
Speaker 2: All right, we're doing the thing where you…we’re like ask a Jewish girl. Let's stop doing that.
Speaker 3: Ask a Jew.
Speaker 2: However…
Speaker 1: Ask a Jew.
Speaker 2: …Carla, Carla, do a segment on Twitter?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have our segment Ask a Jew and then Ask a…Ask a Negro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ask my…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …Black ass. However, Parlatore’s departure in the culmination of the long-simmering tension that…the tensions that continue to plague the legal team at a critical juncture. These ongoing conflicts remain largely unresolved, further undermining their collective efforts. And I think I've talked about this regularly, at least on the Twitter, where I'm like just charge chump…Trump, chump. Just charge chump with literally anything because his lawyers are so fucking incompetent that they'll accidentally get him 20 extra years in prison.
Speaker 1: You know, well, you know, the only lawyer that…that did well was, what was the one who got the $3 million.
Speaker 2: You know what? I…there’s…there's been so many lawyers, I can’t even. What? Chris Kise, yeah, that guy, yeah. Yep.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: The only one that didn't have to get a…that fucking, what is it? Harin…no, not Harino. What is her name? Alina? Halina Baba?
Speaker 2: Habba. No.
Speaker 1: And Christina…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Alina Habba.
Speaker 1: I still get them confused.
Speaker 2: Once you see a picture of them side by side enough times, you kinda figure out which one is which, cause one looks slightly more American and one looks slightly more European.
Speaker 3: Alina Baba Habba, Habba Baba Baba.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, Chris Kise, he got his $3 million and Trump didn't even have to pay him out of his pocket. He paid him out of the Save America pack, which is under…
Speaker 1: Out of the Save America pack money…
Speaker 2: Criminal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Investigation. Ah…
Speaker 1: But Chris d…Chris doesn't care, he got his.
Speaker 2: He got his money. He, yeah, he made his $3 mil and was like I'm out of here, homie. Peace out. Um, yeah, anyway, the animosity.
Speaker 1: Homie did that and nobody else did. He was like, yeah, okay, give me that. And he…he was so smooth man, I…I…I commend him for that. That's what I'm going to do when I decide to be a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Okay. So Trump did actually have one, um, there was one lawyer who represented him in the Mueller probe. Was it…I think it was John Dowd was probably the most competent. He was the one who recommended Trump cooperate as much as possible with the Mueller probe. I don’t know, anyway, not important. On to…on to…
Speaker 1: Is he dead?
Speaker 2: …turmoil with the… No, he’s alive. On to the turmoil with the current legal team. The animosity between lawyers is centered on mutual distrust. You know growing hostility toward Epshteyn. And…and it's totally understandable. He…you know how like in the Department of Justice when Trump was in office and they were talking about like team normal versus team insanity. Epshteyn is probably…
Speaker 1: He was the team insanity.
Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't on team insanity, but he is mirroring that in this particular instance. Um…
Speaker 1: But he is insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, many lawyers on the on…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: The…on the team perceive him as an impediment due to his oversight of the legal work and his control over direct access to Trump. The clash between the lawyers became so severe that they even contemplated a quote “murder suicide pact agreement off one lawyer…
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: …namely Parlatore, was fired, others will resign in solidary…solidarity. Well, Parlatore...
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Wait. Murder, suicide? What the hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, this is the thing, right, it's…it's like with, um, when Trump tried to install Jeffrey Clark at DOJ and everybody was like, if you do this shit…
Speaker 1: Oh right.
Speaker 2: …we out a here. Well, trump's legal team in this case was like if Parlatore gets fired, we out a here. Ah, and that probably…
Speaker 1: Now Jeffrey Clark, that whole…that whole thing was…
Speaker 2: We’ll have to get to that another time. We don't have time. And that'll…we…It’ll…it’ll…yes, Yes, we don't. There's no way. We…we just…
Speaker 1: Oh my God I forgot about…
Speaker 2: It’s a whole podcast.
Speaker 1: …that. I forgot about that lunatic, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Clark is a…man he's insane.
Speaker 2: And they were like, you know, if we…if there's an oil spill, we'll call you. Um anyway. Moreover, they resorted to withholding information from co-counsel suspected of briefing Epshteyn, um, exacerbated the discord within the team. So I just…the lawyers are lying to each other. They're fighting each other. They're like if this dude goes, we all out of here and it's just like, ah, complete and total chaos. This is actually how he runs the…he was running the White House, right?
Speaker 1: But…but Pal…you know, Parlatore isn't as much of a lunatic as…as Corker, and Corker is just…
Speaker 2: No, no, Parlatore…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …it seems like one of the few legitimately competent lawyers on Trump's team.
Speaker 1: He…
Speaker 2: He’s…
Speaker 1: …he realized…I think he thought maybe at first like yeah, I'm going to do this, and then he was like Oh, oh, no…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Okay…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: …how insane everybody was.
Speaker 2: Well at the…okay, so this podcast probably won't be out until tomorrow night, at best. So, and by that time I do believe he'll have appeared on MSNBC. But anyway, we'll…
Speaker 1: Ooh.
Speaker 2: We'll….we'll get to some of this.
Speaker 1: Is he going on Maddow? Or Nicole?
Speaker 2: Ah, Ari Melber, I believe. Any…we’ll…we’ll…
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: Get to…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: I like Ari. Ari’s…
Speaker 2: Yeah, that’s my guy. Um, anyway. As multiple Trump lawyers face their own criminal investigations, including Epshteyn’s recent interview…Epshteyn’s recent interview with the special counsel, and testimonies…
Speaker 3: Making attorneys get attorneys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know right? And testimonies from Parlatore, which he said was supposedly not responsive to a subpoena, it voluntary, and Evan Corcoran, who got crime fraud exceptioned. They testified…
Speaker 1: Ooh.
Speaker 2: …to the grand jury the distrust and conflict among the legal team members has escalated. I'm sure they're accusing…Is…You know how, um, so in the Russia investigation, in Mueller's investigation, there were cooperating witnesses that we…that we didn't know about until like long after.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yep, right. So it…the legal team is probably like accusing the other lawyers of being cooperating witnesses cause they fucked this up so…so badly. Some lawyers have come to believed that these internal divisions pose a greater obstacle to Trump's defense than the risk of individual lawyers pros…I mean cooperating with prosecutors. They think that the strife in the legal team is more dangerous than if one of them flipped on Trump. That's…that just highlights how insane this must be on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1: Oh the Trusty is making ng appearance.
Speaker 2: It's insane. It's just bananas.
Speaker 1: Just… How many lawyers like okay, the…we got…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: No, we're not do…no, we're not listing them out with…that's…that’s a game we're going to lose because there's too many of them.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Cause it’s like…like it's one thing if it's like a firm, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cause they’re gonna all…
Speaker 2: I can't keep track of who quit.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Firm (inaudible) anybody. But…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: I can’t keep track of who q…
Speaker 1: They are all over… Oh damn, this is sidebar guys.
Speaker 2: Go.
Speaker 1: Did you hear Meg…Meg Vavev, the Russian minister? He said that Lindsey Graham should be assassinated.
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I just…I had to throw that out there cause that shit was wild.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: I knew that he put the warrant out or Putin put the warrant out for his arrest, but he was like he needs to be murdered.
Speaker 2: All right…
Speaker 1: Like murder.
Speaker 2: The…
Speaker 3: Why specifically Lindsey Graham?
Speaker 2: Okay, so what happened was is Lindsey Graham was on TV talking about the best money the United States was…had ever spent was on Ukraine in supporting their war against Russia.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 2: He was like “Russian soldiers are dying, best money we ever spent”.
Speaker 3: Oh didn’t he call for the assassination of Putin as well?
Speaker 2: I don't think he is that bold.
Speaker 1: Oh did he?
Speaker 2: I don't…I don’t seem to know…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: No, Lindsey is too much of a fucking squish. Like he's too much of a squish.
Speaker 2: You really know how to call ‘em. Yeah, this bunch of…yeah, anyway. Yeah. And so Putin's response was to issue a warrant for Graham's arrest.
Speaker 1: And then to have, like hang Lindsey Graham kind of thing, so.
Speaker 2: And I feel like that was actually very bold of Lindsey Graham, cause if he's been engaging in any activities that were potentially blackmailable…
Speaker 1: Is…is it the, um, is it the defense, or he's on one of the committees cause I'm like, why would he have been in Kiev?
Speaker 2: Oh my God…
Speaker 1: But…
Speaker 2: I just…I…I don't know, appropriations or no, it may be…I don't know. He's on some subcommittee dealing with armed services. Ah, I don’t…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: I don't know why that just came to my head.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: So, Graham.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …it up.
Speaker 3: Graham on the…it's just an illusion to…to assassinating him. He…he early in March 2022, tweeted “Is there a Brutus in Russia?”
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: “Is there a more successful t…Colonel Stoffenberg in the Ru…in the Russian military?”
Speaker 2: Well, that's not…he's not alluding that it should happen, like that's...it's absolutely plausible that there are people in…in the Kremlin right now plotting on how to get rid of Putin anyway.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: And then he goes on. “The only way this ends is for someone in Russia to take this guy out. You would be doing your country and the world a great service.”
Speaker 1: Ooh. Damn.
Speaker 2: Did I write that tweet?
Speaker 1: Ohh.
Speaker 2: That might have been me.
Speaker 1: Okay well, then that’s…that’s…that confirms it. So that made sense. Well the…
Speaker 2: All right.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Lady Linds…Lady Linds is trying to grab Putin by the pussy.
Speaker 2: No, he ain't that…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …gangster.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Side…side tangent over. Back to the legal strife, or the strife with the legal team…
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: At the Mar-a-Lago. Despite Parlatore's resignation, the legal team remains confident. I mean, the…I don't know, they just…look, take this with a grain of salt when I say they remain confident that Parlatore will not flip on Trump. Like no one's confident of that whatsoever, I assume that that means…
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: …they're actually shaking…
Speaker 1: I mean…
Speaker 2: …in their boots.
Speaker 1: …he's got some ethical things still, because that was his quiet.
Speaker 2: If…if he gets crime…
Speaker 1: So…
Speaker 2: …fraud accepted and he flips on Trump like he…it's…he won't have a choice but to cooperate. Parlatore previously testified to the grand jury stating that Trump gave him the freedom to search for any remaining documents at his properties. However, the failed attempt to remove Epshteyn from the case indicates that he retains Trump's trust and remains a significant figure within Trump's inner circle, that's Epshteyn the, um…
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Parlatore…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …tried to get in the fuck out there…out of there, get him up out of the paint, but Trump was like no, that's my guy. Anyway, the origins of the animosity within the legal team can be tracked back to the FBI seizure of the documents in August last year. At the time, Trump's lawyers, including Trusty, Corcoran, Kise and Halligan, which we actually don't bring up Halligan enough, requested a special master to review the materials for privileged protections. That whole disaster that ended up delaying the investigation for like a month. Halligan was key in that with the…with the with the judge shopping. Trusty, who played a prominent role in the proceedings as well, was already frustrated with the unfolding events. During a dinner at the Breakers Hotel in Palm Beach, Trusty expressed his frustration with Epshteyn. He resented having to consult his crazy ass on legal decisions, as he did not consider him a trial lawyer and believe that Epshteyn prioritized Trump's public relations over legal concerns. Well, that's why Trump trusts him so much. Like that's what Trump's…what Trump wants his lawyers to do. What would generally be in most people's best interest would be the opposite…
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: …of generally what Trump wants his lawyers to do, but for Trump it seems to have been working. And…and so that's why he continues to have his lawyers do insane…insane shit and make crazy representations in court. Anyway, Trump criticized rather, Trusty criticized Epshteyn for trouble shooting problems before they reached Trump, hindering direct communication between the lawyers and Trump himself. Trusty’s dissatisfaction with…extended to legal strategy and media management, expressing reservations about Chris Kise's approach and his reluctance to engage with certain publications. The legal team faced a significant split when the Justice Department accused Trump of still possessing classified documents. Epshteyn and Kise were opposed to voluntary searches of Trump's properties, while Parlatore and Trusty advocated for a proactive approach involving new searches. And I will go out on a limb here and say Parlatore and Trusty probably had the idea with cooperating with the FBI, except for the fact that like Trump actually still retain more classified documents than was trying to…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: That sounds, you know…
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: …from just this. It sounds like they were kind of on the up and up, like we need to get in front of this. And…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Parlatore and Trusty y…and Trusty?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, probably on the up and up. And then Kise and Epshteyn were like no bro, there's actually more documents here but no one's supposed to know that. Right? Like I…I'm sure they were trying to help Trump curve this shit up in Parlatore and Trusta…Trusty were not kept in the loop. Anyway, the disagreement further deepened the trust deficit among the lawyers. Although additional searches did take place and some of them not... Anyway, we're just you know the feds executing the search warrant probably should have cooperated. I guess they didn't expect Garland to pull the trigger on that. Tensions escalated after that and Parlatore and Trusty felt that Chris Kise was portrayed as more cooperative with prosecutors than he actually was, and that's totally fair. Kise was one of the individuals who was like trying to half ass cooperate. But I mean, we just again, we don't have time to get into the… Kise’s sudden withdrawal from a court of appeals argument solidified their decision to distance themselves from him. Kise departed from the team. The conflicts between Parlatore, Trusty and Epshteyn intensified. They grew increasingly frustrated with the need to consult Epshteyn before speaking directly with Trump. And I totally understand that. You'd be like I'm Trump's lawyer too, like let me talk to this motherfucker so I can get his head screwed on straight. And Epshteyn is back here like gassing Trump up to do crazy shit. They even made a visit to Mar-a-Lago I go in an attempt to exclude Epshteyn from future del... They try to in run Epshteyn, which I…
Speaker 1: Epstein.
Speaker 2: Totally get. Epshteyn.
Speaker 1: Apparently it looks like he was a problem. He was the like one sticking point for all of them.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is very common with Trump. He has like a handful of people who he confides in and they play gatekeeper, keeping the same people from giving Trump reasonable and sound advice. Although it remains unclear whether their concerns were adecly…adequately resolved. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, spoiler alert, they were not. Parlatore and Trusty also…Trusty also began withholding information from Corcoran, suspecting that he was briefing Epshteyn without their knowledge. This is insane.
Speaker 1: It’s…
Speaker 2: It is Game of Throne, Legal edition.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: This is wild. This is wild. I'm sorry. Look, I…I made these notes, but it was from a…okay, and in credit to Hugo Lau for the Guardian for the sourcing on all of this. This is just…it…it was bananas and I was reading, I was like this is wild. I've never seen anything like this happen in real life. Like what is the red wedding? What is it going? It is a fucking dragon fight going to break out here pretty soon with some…
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: Zombies.
Speaker 1: It is like, this is where all the drama is. This is where all the good stuff was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is going on in the legal team. And I imagine this is probably what it was like in the…in the Mueller investigation too. We just didn't get enough leaks about what was going on with Trump's legal team at the time. Anyway, the personal, and this is…it just gets better from here. I'm sorry this…this segment’s so long, but just bear with me. The personal conflicts within the legal team, Carol you alive? The personal…
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Con…It's a lie, I know, I'm sorry. The personal conflicts within the legal team erupted publicly when rumors circulated about the suitability of Parlatore and Trusty in their roles. And…and this is great, cause these are the only two dudes trying to do the right thing and keep Trump out of trouble. And everyone's like pointing the fingers at them. They're the problem. In response, the lawyer…the two lawyers agree that if one of them were fired, and this is the suicide pact, one of them fired…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …the other one resigned. The animosity escalated further when Parlatore objected to the inclusion of Joe Tacopina, you…from…you might be familiar with him from losing Trump millions of dollars in E Jean Carroll's case.
Speaker 3: Indeed.
Speaker 1: Senate passed the debt ceiling bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations, Joe Biden, you fucking did it. Parlatore…
Speaker 1: Woohoo.
Speaker 2: …objected to the inclusion of Joe Tacopina, a celebrity lawyer he detested, and rightfully so, in the team defending Trump. And, as a matter of fact, Joe Tacopina, at the time of the FBI raid last year, was like “Trump going to prison”. I saw the video Google that. Parlatore’s misstep in crafting a letter to Congress urging the Department of Justice to stand down in the investigation without giving Epshteyn advanced notice further fuel tensions and underscore the need for supervision within the team.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: They're…they're a bunch of kids. It's like letting a bunch of 12 year olds run…
Speaker 1: So what work did any of them actually do? Cause…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they were…they’re all trying to do work…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …but they're all working against each other. Like it's insane. No one…no one's in charge. Parlatore is like I'm trying to keep Trump out of prison and…and Epshteyn's, like I'm just trying to, you know, do whatever Trump…
Speaker 1: Make some coin.
Speaker 2: I think what Epshteyn is doing is trying to gas up Trump so that he can stay in his favor. He's…he's the yes man, right? And that's…
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: …and that is one of the ways you make the most money grifting off of Trump is you just tell him whatever the fuck he wants to hear. Ultimately, the breaking point leading to Parlatore’s resignation came when his appearance discussing the letter on CNN was abruptly canceled. The decisionmaker behind the cancellation remains unclear, but I'm assuming this was probably Epshteyn going to try and be like, hey, you got to get this motherfucker off the air right now. Right now. And Trump was like res…
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: …res…respect my authority. But the Trump 2024 campaign claimed it was due to Parlatore’s criticism of Tacopina during his previous CNN's appearance. That's a fucking lie. As this…Cause look, everyone's seen Tacopina at this point, like Joey phony Soprano. As the special counsel investigation draws to close, Parlatore informed Trump of his departure. The personal conflicts and deep seated distrust within Trump's legal team has severely strained their ability to effectively…effectively defend the former president. Now you don't say, they can't get on the same fucking page about literally anything. The…and…and imagine what it'll be like when Trump is charged in this case and they have to put…mount of legal defense. They'll be doing this. Killing each other, fight to the death. Who gets to represent Trump at trial. The unresolved interpersonal conflict centered around Epshteyn's role continue to undermine their collective efforts as federal prosecutors prepare potential criminal charges. And, given what we've talked about on the podcast here the last couple of weeks, charges are fucking imminent. And not like Georgia imminent where Fani Willis was like, “Oh, charges are coming,” and then she kept uncovering crimes. Or like the lawyers obstructing the fucking investigation, not having offered her, you know, her client…clients the plea deals that were on the table. No, this is just like, you know, keep your fucking news alerts on, cause it could be any day now. Like I'm assuming weeks. It could be days. Who knows? As the investigation nears its conclusion, the team faces a critical juncture where overcoming internal divisions may prove as challenging as the legal battle itself. I'm gonna say, actually this legal battle is gonna be pretty fucking tough. Yeah, there's just endless insight into the…the comings and goings of Trump's legal team and why everything seems to be such a disaster from the outside, because in…in private it is very much so. Whew, that was…that was a tough one. Thanks for saving me the most wordy of the segments. I apologize for the extensive amount of notes I took on that, but it just…I…utterly fascinating. Utterly fascinating. I…I've always been one just to question the quality of Trump's lawyers, and I’m not…not that I have any legal experience myself, but we all know idiots when we see one. Carol, you're a lawyer. Are…are Trump's lawyers fucking morons?
Speaker 3: They seem to be, except for the ones who quit sooner. I mean anyone who would take the job.
Speaker 1: Because, at the end of the day, everybody wants to be a fucking celebrity. That's all these people want. I mean, remember…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Wait, well…I don’t know if…
Speaker 1: Celebrity lawyers.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the case. Not all of them want to be celebrities, some of them just…
Speaker 1: Some of them for sure, cause I mean…
Speaker 2: Yeah.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: But some of them just…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Want a paycheck.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's the Stormy Daniel’s shit is rough. He going to prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he's like he's not going to prison. He did nothing wrong. It just…
Speaker 2: Well…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Tacopina did the same…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …thing with the documents.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: At every turn.
Speaker 2: Oh yes.
Speaker 1: I think it probably…Parlatore is one of the most normal of his attorneys, like I…I really do, like I do.
Speaker 2: And seemingly competent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Seemingly, like I…you know, I c…I mean I don't know him personally and I make no illusions of…
Speaker 1: How did these fuckers get out of law school?
Speaker 2: I don’t…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: I don't think they're…I don’t think they’re always like this, but I think part of the problem with working with Trump is like you have to keep him happy by doing the crazy shit that he wants, and then you just get like…
Speaker 1: But they just got caught up in shit, like just caught up and just fucking…
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, at some point you realize, oh damn, that I’ve become an accessory to a crime here. Right?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then you…then you…yeah, and then you really get roped in and you're like fuck. I…Carol, remember when I was having you…I was asking you like what's the number one thing on every lawyer's itinerary when it comes to…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: Oh, and I said something besides don't get arrested. But the answer is don't get arrested.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah.
Speaker 3: If…
Speaker 2: I…I'm…I’m assuming every criminal defense attorney like their number one goal in…in…in their profession is not money, you know, it's not fame.
Speaker 1: It’s to stay out of jail.
Speaker 2: It's to stay out of jail. And…and then if you work for Trump, you're inevitably going to be involved in…in helping him further a crime. So the potential for going to jail goes up.
Speaker 1: But he's always (inaudible).
Speaker 2: Yeah, that…well, that's why…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Carol's like you're fucking stupid for representing him in the first place. He's always…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even Steve Bannon couldn't get a goddamn lawyer.
Speaker 2: Well, he got a lawyer.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: He just doesn't want to pay him.
Speaker 1: Well, no, but then he tried…
Speaker 2: He’s on the Trump program.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: They had quit or he had… Then they…he was trying to get like other lawyers and…
Speaker 2: Carol I'm sorry.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: These are the longest four segments in here, so I apologize. I'll let you tackle the last one and you can fly through this.
Speaker 3: Oh, s…I'm sorry. I've just been looking at Twitter, which was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I haven't really been on Twitter all day. It was kind of nice.
Speaker 2: Nothing good comes from looking at Twitter, and this is someone who is turn…this is coming from someone who's terminally on Twitter. I'm like….
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: God, I need to get off of this.
Speaker 1: How many followers you have? That's…that's probably not the…
Speaker 2: Well, that's the…the…That's the only good thing about Twitter is I follow so many people that I still get some of the good stuff still. And that's like…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: 50,000 people like funneling the good stuff towards me to like block out the bad. Anyway, Carol…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: So…
Speaker 2: Fi…final segment.
Speaker 3: Trump tries…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: …to rid himself of a case of the Krebs. As part of the investigation into former President Donald J. Trump's attempts to undermine the 2020 election results, the special counsel, Jack Smith, has issued subpoenas to staff members from the Trump White House, who may have been involved in the dismissal of Christopher Krebs, the government cyber security official.
Speaker 2: Hey, wait. See, and we've spent all the time the last couple of weeks talking about the documents case, you're like, well damn, is January 6 investigation dead? Nope.
Speaker 3: Nope.
Speaker 2: It’s not.
Speaker 3: Krebs had contradicted Trump’s baseless claim of election fraud by affirming that the election was the most secure in American history. Oh.
Speaker 2: That did not make Trump happy. He was very…
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 2: He was very irate with…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: No tell b…no tell man baby no. Um, man baby sad. Man baby smash country. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I…you know for some reason I would always get like Krebs and Ray mixed up for some reason.
Speaker 2: Ray, Oh you…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: No. I mean, does Krebs look like him? I don’t think…
Speaker 1: Well, maybe just because their names are Christopher and the…
Speaker 2: Oh yeah…
Speaker 3: That’s where we were going?
Speaker 2: Duh, the Chris’s you’re right, duh. I’m stupid.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: Chris’s.
Speaker 2: I'm a idiot. I was like what the fuck do they have in common? They have the same name, moron. You're…I'm stupid.
Speaker 1: Hey man, that was all I needed. I…I think that's all Trump needs to like to…
Speaker 3: Special agents.
Speaker 2: Well, you…you…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …joke about that, but how many times did Trump call Krebs and be like, “Chris? I need you to get the FBI off my case,”? Cause he doesn't know which Chris is which. All right Carol, continue, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Special Agent Jack Smith's team is particularly interested in understanding the events leading up to Krebs's firing and examining Trump's state of mind during that time. So, yeah, like the investigators aim to establish a timeline of events that may shed light on the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob on January 6th 2021.
Speaker 2: If you're not familiar with the pro-Trump mob, a lot of them just recently got convicted of seditious conspiracy, if not a….
Speaker 3: Oh man.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: All of them motherfuckers are going to jail Like we're…we’re up in the…in like over 1,000.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: You bout lose your freedom.
Speaker 2: It's over 1,000.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: You about lose your…
Speaker 2: The number of people going to prison.
Speaker 1: …freedom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, continue Carol.
Speaker 3: The recent subpoenas, issued approximately two weeks ago, targeted officials in the presidential personnel office, according to individuals familiar with the matter. So it…it’s, ah…
Speaker 1: I was going to say something really terrible right now, but I'm going to keep it to myself cause I don't want to go to jail.
Speaker 2: Carol continue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, um, keep it to herself. Oh, I was just thinking, uh, yes, that would help establish a timeline because, if they can prove that, you know, he believed Chris or whatever, or this weighed into his…I don't know, I can't think too good…
Speaker 2: It…
Speaker 3: …but I agree that it helps to establish his state of mind.
Speaker 2: It’s okay…
Speaker 3: Let's see if it comes out…
Speaker 2: Continue.
Speaker 3: …more clearly.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Krebs had drawn Trump's ire when his agency, the Cyber Security and Infrastructure Security Agency, released a statement asserting that the integrity of the election results and debunking the unfounded conspiracy theories about compromised voting machines. The statement unequivocally stated that there was no evidence of any deleted or changed votes or any compromise in the voting systems. Just five days after the release of Kreb's statement, Trump took to Twitter to announce Kreb's termination. The proper way of firing a government official.
Speaker 2: Yeah…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …going to point it out, if you didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Claiming that his statement was quote “highly inaccurate”. Kreb's later testified before the House Special Committee investigating the January 6th attack, revealing that there had been skepticism among Trump's allies regarding his loyalty to the president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is…that's what happens when you…
Speaker 1: Did Wray…
Speaker 2: …tell the truth in the public.
Speaker 1: …did Wray testify too? Did Wray testify too? I can't remember. There was so much testimony. There was so much…
Speaker 2: To the grand jury? I don’t…I don't know about that, but he did testify before Congress. Anyway…
Speaker 1: For the January 6th Committee?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, part of the reason why investigators…investigators are looking to this is like if you have someone in the government telling the obvious truth that the 2020 election was not rigged and Trump just lost and well, that individual discredits anything that Trump says, that he used to like further, ah…
Speaker 1: But literally…
Speaker 2: …incite a coup.
Speaker 1: …everybody said it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well…
Speaker 2: From Bill Barr too.
Speaker 2: Right. And then everyone who was like…
Speaker 1: He said, “This is bullshit”.
Speaker 2: Well every…you…you may nor may not have noticed this, but everyone who was telling the truth was either fired or left before January 6th. They had to get up out of there, and Trump was trying to replace all these people with…with individuals who were willing to lie.
Speaker 1: With…
Speaker 2: For instance…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Like Jeff Clark.
Speaker 2: Ah, jinx.
Speaker 3: See if there are any more parking attorneys or environmental lawyers available.
Speaker 2: All right, Carol continue.
Speaker 1: I'm going to hire the parking lot lady.
Speaker 3: She's hot. Okay, within the presidential personnel office a small…
Speaker 2: Happy Pride Month, Carol.
Speaker 3: …a small group of Trump loyalists led by John McEntee. Is that how you pronounce it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, McEntee.
Speaker 1: Forgot about him.
Speaker 3: John McEntee, Trump's former personal aide, sought to identify and dismiss individuals they disloyal to Trump within the federal bureaucracy.
Speaker 2: This is bearing a lot of resemblance to his legal team.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They specifically targeted Krebs, highlighting various reasons to distrust him, including a social media post by his wife featuring the quote “Biden Harris logo”. These efforts by personnel office to test the loyalty of federal officials and potential hires are being investigated by Smith's team.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the same person who demanded…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …a oath of loyalty. What did I…oath? Did I say loaf of loyalty? What the…
Speaker 3: No.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Oath of loyalty…
Speaker 1: (can’t understand) though.
Speaker 2: …from…
Speaker 1: You look tan, Carol.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been outside a lot.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: Tan for me.
Speaker 2: I’m trying not…
Speaker 1: You’re like rosy in the cheeks.
Speaker 2: Happy Pride Month, Ty. Yeah, this is the same individual who demanded a loath of loyalty. I did it again. Loath of loyalty. I…it…it's too late. It…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: I would like a loaf of loyalty…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: …as well.
Speaker 1: Loath of loyalty. It is fitting for this bunch.
Speaker 2: A loath of loyalty.
Speaker 1: Because they are loathsome. So the loath of loyalty. I kind of like that. We should make a shirt.
Speaker 2: He asked for a oath…an oath of loyalty from his FBI director upon taking control of the government in 2017. So it's no surprising…it's not surprising that upon leaving office in an attempt to maintain power, he's like testing the loyalty of the people who are working for him for the things to come. And I imagine that that's what Smith's investigating this particular incident. Anyway, Carol, I'm sorry, continue.
Speaker 3: The investigators are also examining the interactions between the personnel office and the Justice Department as Trump sought to utilize his bureaucracy to challenge the election outcome. Heidi Stirrup, a loyalist close to Trump's policy advisor Stephen Miller, served as the White House liaison at the Justice Department. And…
Speaker 2: Oh…
Speaker 3: …is an…
Speaker 2: …it…
Speaker 3: …interest to Smith's team?
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: It gets really…gets really interesting…
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: …here. Continue. Just…just go.
Speaker 3: Stirrup was banned from the department after attempting to gather sensitive information about election fraud investigations. Huh. Huh. So there were still enough people at the Justice Department to, ah, well we know that already.
Speaker 2: It was like get this bitch…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: …up out a here.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Fucking…
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: …Bill Barr. He was trash when he works for fucking HW and…whatever. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: They were always all trash.
Speaker 1: That’s…
Speaker 3: During this period, attorney General Bill Barr, who had been seen as an ally by Trump, resigned after declaring that Trump's election fraud theories were baseless.
Speaker 3: Oh…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Now I'm on…operating under the assumption, and this is regular speculation here, that Trump was asking Barr to crime. And…and he was like, ah, “Well, you lost, so I'm out”.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically he saw the writing on the wall.
Speaker 1: I accept your resignation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Bill Barr is nothing if not shrewd. That's why he's been around for so long.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Why he's been operative for so fucking long.
Speaker 2: He been…well, you brought up his state in the Bush administration. He'd been on…he been on the the CY…
Speaker 1: Bush 41. You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first Bush.
Speaker 1: Like…
Speaker 2: He'd been on the CYA program. That's covered your ass for…
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: 40 years now.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Rosen, Barr's successor, also refused to carry out Trump's orders to use the Justice Department to overturn the election. Aw. In contrast, Jeffrey B. Clark he's like let me go down the line of Jeffries. Their…the acting head of the Civil Division.
Speaker 1: Who was the first one? Jeff Sessions. Was…was he the…(can’t understand), he was, cause he got ran out…
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: …on a rail.
Speaker 3: The acting head of the Civil Division embraced Trump's efforts to overturn the election and became a key ally in Trump's eyes. Clark's involvement in assisting Trump's attempt to reverse the election outcome has drawn attention of investigators. And we've talked about this quite a bit in the prev…in the coverage of the hearings. The subpoenas issued to Trump's White House aides and the ongoing investigation into the firing of Christopher Krebs shed light on the extent of Trump's actions to challenge the election results and his mindset during that time. Which was fucking crazy and evil and willing to do just whatever and ignore anyone who was not a yes man. As the investigation progresses, it will likely provide further insights into the events leading up to the Capitol attack and the actions taken within the Trump administration. Fuck yeah it will. But like don't kind of know, we just need it to be like…we just need evidence of whatever. Like we all…I'm sure it'll still end up being like both the same and worse than what we thought.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You nailed it.
Speaker 1: Well that makes sense. The shit that we've learned like over the last year has been wild.
Speaker 2: Absolutely fucking bonkers.
Speaker 1: Like…
Speaker 2: And if you listen to this podcast…
Speaker 1: It has been…
Speaker 2: …we're…
Speaker 1: …insane.
Speaker 2: …yeah, we've been mesmerized.
Speaker 1: The amount of planning and the amount of just scamming and criming that was going on behind the scenes. It was more detailed than…and…and with the former guy being the dumb ass that he is and then surrounding himself with fellow dumb asses. The fact that it was able to go this far and was this intricate. It's frightening because imagine what somebody who's actually smart like if a Bill Barr had been on board.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You know, we had the Giuliani's and the fucking Trusty’s and the damn Jeffrey…
Speaker 2: And Jeff…
Speaker 1: …Clark’s and…
Speaker 2: And John Eastman’s.
Speaker 1: These are like literally the dumbest people on the planet. But if a Bill Barr had been an orchestrator and been involved, things could have gone vastly fucking different.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Um…
Speaker 1: They could have gone vastly, vastly different. And it’s…
Speaker 2: And we don't even…we don't even talk about the fake elector plot anymore. That’s just gone, like that…
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: …that's poof gone in the wind. They're still investigating that.
Speaker 1: My God in Michigan…in Michigan, and these people are still…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: …they’re not in jail.
Speaker 2: Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland is doing.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: I think…
Speaker 2: They are building a case.
Speaker 1: I…okay. Nah, nah, blah, okay. I…I…
Speaker 2: I…
Speaker 1: like I get that, but I still I feel like Garland…
Speaker 3: She means that she wants to add them to the rotation and he hasn't called her yet.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I don't think I have…we have to celebrate…
Speaker 1: I…you know…
Speaker 2: Pride…
Speaker 1: …like…
Speaker 2: Happy Straight Pride or whatever. In that one.
Speaker 3: We’re…we're proud to love whoever we love.
Speaker 2: Okay, you just want things to move faster. You want them to wrap it up. I…I…
Speaker 1: Well that's because I realize the gravity of things at this point. And I also know, as Christopher reminded me, my son Christopher, not one of them other Krebs or Wray…
Speaker 2: Not…not Krebs or Wray…
Speaker 1: But…
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is that 2024, six months away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: We are running…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: …out of time. It seemed like we had a lot of time when Gar…when Garland was appointed we were like, okay, yeah, he's going… But at this point I feel like we have to move because everything is on the line.
Speaker 2: Well, we still got six months until like…you're like damn, it's only six months till 2024, but also, we still have six months until 2024. And I know you want get…like…like we talk about this, but like the scale of this is massive. Like not just in terms of like the people at the bottom…
Speaker 1: I get that.
Speaker 2: …of the pit, but the people…
Speaker 1: But look…
Speaker 2: …it's a lot of people at the…
Speaker 1: Jack Smith is…
Speaker 2: They're getting there. All right, look, time for a bit of reckless speculation, cause I promised this earlier. And…and this is like okay, so one of the things again, I know you want consequences for these people, and you're like damn…
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: …what’s taking them so long? I am willing to speculate recklessly. Reckless is speculation.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: Speculation.
Speaker 2: I do believe with the conviction of the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys and a number of individuals in those groups cooperating with the FBI. I am willing to speculate that at this point the FBI knows who the bomber was, who left the bombs out of the DNC.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: I want her to go to jail.
Speaker 2: I…I…I don't know about that. I…I want…
Speaker 1: But it’s fun to recklessly speculate.
Speaker 2: Well, I…well, this is reasonable, reckless speculation, goddamn it. There's a happy medium. It's like the secret documents. It's in between…it’s in between confidential and top secret. It's in the middle. So there is some evidence to suggest that the Department of Justice, or rather the FBI, has tied the individual who left the pipe bombs outside of the DNC headquarters and the RNC headquarters on January 5th to a vehicle to which they were able to obtain the license plate numbers from.
Speaker 1: Where did you…where did you get this information?
Speaker 2: I just…just information to suggest this. They were able to connect this individual to a vehicle and through surveillance footage in the area they were able to get the numbers off the license plate. Which means that they have a lead. Right? But I'm sure the first thing they do in cross checking the…the information on that license plate, if the car wasn't stolen, does that individual, who that car is registered to, have any connection with the, you know, the groups on the ground on January 6th the militias, the Oath Keepers, the three percenters, the Proud Boys…
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: …so on and so forth. Right? And it might be because that individual who is responsible for placing the bombs there, is connected to those groups. That's why the information hasn't been made public yet, because they work in their way up the ladder to connect that person…
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: …with the…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was, but I am pretty confident. It looks like it was a woman, just the gate and the build and the shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Or it was a tiny, tiny man.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the thing. You could always…
Speaker 1: Which means it could be Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 2: With low quality. Yeah, low quality video footage is…
Speaker 3: He probably has an alibi. Are we talking about the pipe armor?
Speaker 2: I don’t know.
Speaker 1: Oh, Ron DeSantis has an alibi? Is that that he was in Disney World?
Speaker 3: Are…
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
Speaker 3: …we talking about the pipe bomber? That's what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're…
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: …talking about the pipe bomber. I’m sure Ron DeSantis…
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he has an alibi and wasn't in DC that day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he was at Disney World jerking off in the kids bathroom.
Speaker 1: I can wish.
Speaker 2: Now look, again reckless speculation, I can't prove that, like and anyone listening to this like just take that with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Ron DeSantis was the pipe bomber, okay? So don't sue me.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying…
Speaker 1: I’m recklessly speculating.
Speaker 2: I’m not saying that the pipe bomber was anyone of note.
Speaker 1: But it was Casey.
Speaker 2: The leap I'm making is that the reason that I…they're not identifying the pipe bomber yet is because there are, like, if they're able to tie the pipe bomber to the groups on the ground or the war room.
Speaker 1: Oh…
Speaker 2: Where…where Trump’s people…
Speaker 1: …they had the two. They had, yeah. And who was there? Christina Bobb.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah see, we're talk…we talk about the individuals who were arrested on January 6th. Right? And a lot of those people didn't actually necessarily plan in advance to storm the Capitol, although a number of them did. But the individual who placed the bombs on the January 5th, the night before, they had to know that the plan on January 6th was to rile up the mob and send them into the Capitol.
Speaker 1: Was to rile up the mob.
Speaker 2: And the bombs were to distract law enforcement officials from attempting to st…
Speaker 1: From what was going on on the Cap... Ooh.
Speaker 2: Exactly. And…
Speaker 1: That is a…that's a good reckless speculation D. I like that one.
Speaker 2: Right. So that individual would have to have some sense of what it was that Trump was planning to do in advance, and there's no way that that individual could have the presence of mind to put bombs outside of, you know…
Speaker 1: Both of the…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: ..high values. Yes, high value targets to distract law enforcement, unless they were like in direct communication with someone who knew the plot.
Speaker 1: You know what? That makes a lot of sense because otherwise, if they had just put it in front of the DNC, that would have pointed to… But doing both.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You really have no…
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You know, it confuses things a bit and it...
Speaker 2: And then also you…you've split law enforcement and, like, now you've got a d…you’ve…you've divided law enforcement even further. Now they have to think about the Capitol and they have to think about the DNC and the RNC and, like, they might look at the bombs as more of a higher priority. And then what was, at the time, seemingly quote unquote “a protest” gone yet gotten out of hand.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, that's enough regular speculation for the evening. It's getting late. Time for…
Speaker 3: Do you have an asshole, shithole of the week?
Speaker 2: Well…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: Did we get one? From the Twitter?
Speaker 2: Give me one second. So before we get to that, I'd like to…
Speaker 1: I have a standing shithole of the week and he keeps…he keeps…
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sending the bill.
Speaker 2: No, we're going to let you save that for your closing thoughts. Before we get to the shit hole of the week award, I would just like a short moment for sports ball minute of the week. Jimmy fucking Butler. Sports ball minute of the week over. We have a…Carol’s like what the fuck are you even talking about? If you…if you…if you're…if you're a sports ball fan, you know. So we've got…we’ve got a number of potential nominees for the shithole of the week award. I'll go down the list. Thank you everyone on Twitter who responded to the tweet asking for nominees. Veronica…
Speaker 1: Ooh.
Speaker 2: …recommended, that is @Veronica or @Veronica31491223. You need to edit that handle and make that more manageable. She recommended Matt Gates and Lauren Burr…Bobart for trying to tank the dead ceiling, which was insane, because I don't even think Bobart voted after trying to lead the…lead the calvary against voting for the dead ceiling. So that was hilarious. Radical old woman, she's a favorite of mine. Love you, girl, not…not like that though. She nominates MTG, as in like empty G, that's, that's Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Speaker 1: Those are all fair. Those are both fair. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: So @Casful has nominated Governor Gianforte of Montana.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Not only did he say no thanks to the free money for food for children, like the free food assistance program. He vetoed a six million dollar homeless veterans cottage house program. So he fucked them kids and…
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa. He…
Speaker 2: Fucked the kid…
Speaker 1: He did what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he vetoed a six million dollar homeless veterans cottage house program and I was assuming that…
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: …was federal…federally funded, so it was free money. He said fuck them kids and them vets. That's…actually we j…we’re just gonna stop it right there.
Speaker 1: Montana…Montana’s been doing the most lately. Like really.
Speaker 2: Is it's insane. We'll have to…there's a lot of…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: And they elected a black fucking mayor from Liberia.
Speaker 2: Shit happens. I'm gonna stop the nominee…nomination process right there and say Casful or @Casful, give them a follow on the Twitter, congratulations, you have sufficiently nominated Governor Gianforte of Montana for the shithole of the week award. I do hereby present him with that fucking trophy. He can shove it up his ass.
Speaker 3: Fuck you guy.
Speaker 1: (inaudible).
Speaker 2: Okay, Carol, do you have any closing thoughts this evening?
Speaker 3: Huh. This…this is so weird. I feel like I didn't realize this would happen again today.
Speaker 2: Every…
Speaker 1: What’d she…
Speaker 2: Every time we record Carol, every time.
Speaker 3: I was…I was looking into J…Javanka, who you’re right, she apparently does wanna be called, ah…
Speaker 2: Ivanka Kushner?
Speaker 3: Ivanka Kushner. She’s…
Speaker 2: The Trump brand is toxic.
Speaker 3: I guess this mean…yeah, the Kushner’s aren’t…aren’t that great either. But, um, I guess going…getting a divorce and saying she’s a democrat again isn’t gonna work for her. So, um, so I guess I only got petty shit right now to say. And I was gonna nominate Ken Paxton and fuck that guy.
Speaker 1: Oh that’s a good one Carol. That is a good one.
Speaker 2: All right, that was my…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Original, ah, plan…ah, it was my original nominee for the shithole of the week award. Ah, if you’re unfamiliar with Ken Paxton, we don’t have enough time in this podcast to go down that rabbit hole. Look that up. But he was recently impeached by republicans, ah, well first off it’s Texas Attorney General, State Attorney General. Recently impeached by republicans in Texas so you know he had to do something seriously fucked up. And he did…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Know what he did. I need the tea, man.
Speaker 2: Okay so…
Speaker 1: Cause that came out of the blue.
Speaker 3: I thought it was yesterday.
Speaker 2: Okay, I…I’ll give you the…the brief rundown on why he’s getting impeached specifically. So he was criming in office. His subordinates was like, oh no bitch, we alerting law enforcement. Call the feds. Um, and you know Paxton he basically retaliated against them. Ended up in a lawsuit. And he tried to have the State of Texas pay off his subordinates in order to get the lawsuit dropped. And like the feds are already investigating. If you recruit all of the Texas Hou…State Legislature into this scheme to pay off his subordinates. Like that’s gonna have the FBI looking at everybody in the State of Texas and they was like, oh no, we can’t fucking had that bro, you gotta get the fuck up out a here. Um, that’s…that’s the short story of it, off the top of my head. Just look into that further.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: Hear more soon.
Speaker 2: And also one fun…one fun note of detail about Ken Paxton is one of the crimes he committed w…or potential crimes, allegedly, cause Pardon the Insurrection has yet to be sued, ah, is that he had one of his donors hire his mistress with a…
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Coush job where she didn’t have to do any work. So she could live closer to him cause he didn’t feel like driving an hour and a half to fuck. That’s just one of…
Speaker 1: That pock face motherfucker. Like I can’t even imagine somebody wants to do anything with him. But he’s been indictment for…
Speaker 2: Money.
Speaker 1: What? Seven, eight years…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: A long time.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don’t have…I just…it’s more than we can cover. It’d taken a whole episode of the podcast and probably…
Speaker 1: I would…
Speaker 2: Then some. But like this is one of the allegations that he’s being…this is one of the articles that he’s being impeached for. Funny side note there, ah, his wife is a Texas state senator. So she will be voting on whether or not to convict him in his impeachment.
Speaker 1: Did you read that article that I wrote a while back where his ass ran out the backdoor and hopped into a car that his wife was driving and sped away from a process server?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Yes, I did read that.
Speaker 3: Maybe he can be the shithole next week.
Speaker 1: Was…
Speaker 2: All…all right.
Speaker 3: But we’ll probably find another shithole by then. There will be lots of shitholes…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: Time for them.
Speaker 1: See I was of course going to nominate Ron DeSantis again because he always deserves it. But we’ll give Ken the prize this week.
Speaker 3: No, no, we gave it to Montana.
Speaker 1: Oh it’s going…okay, we got…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 3: I just…that was my closing thought is that I…
Speaker 2: If you…
Speaker 3: Was sort of…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Well if you’re wondering about the quality of Ken Paxton’s romantic and relationship decisions, his wife sang a song, ah, about how she’s a pistol packing momma and her husband sues Obama. Um, that’s what you have to look forward to in his…
Speaker 1: These people are fucking nuts.
Speaker 2: It’s fucking bananas. All right. Yeah, anyway. Carol…
Speaker 1: These republicans are crazy.
Speaker 2: Not…not Carol…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: I’m sorry, you’ve…you’ve given your closing thoughts.
Speaker 1: And I used to be one so yes, I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we…we just don’t…we recommend you not share that information with anybody, especially not on this podcast. Ty, do you have any closing thoughts this evening? Go after your guy.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: That’s…that’s your closing thoughts. Just wear his ass out for like a minute.
Speaker 1: We need to stop DeSantis. He is…I…I can’t even…people…
Speaker 2: Well he’s gonna stop himself, but yeah.
Speaker 1: I wish he would stop himself. But I’m gonna leave that there. Not elaborate. But…
Speaker 2: FBI don’t come knocking.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Be…
Speaker 2: Secret Service.
Speaker 1: The LGBQ…TQ community and the children. It is obscene. It breaks my heart. It is so gross…
Speaker 2: Oof, yeah.
Speaker 1: I just can’t imagine. Like I think about what Esther Basch said when I…when I spoke with her and she said that, you know, cause she was, what? Her sixteenth birthday when she was taken to Auschwitz. So unlike a kid who was like three or two, she pretty much had a full life. I mean people back then got married, had kids at sixteen years old. So she had a full life and perspective to really contrast before and after and she said…
Speaker 2: Well yeah, give…give the people…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: A little bit more background on Esther.
Speaker 1: Yellow stars and everything and she goes, “All of a sudden people were, ‘Oh you’re just a dirty Jew,’” and she’s like, “Yesterday I was clean, today I’m dirty? Like what changed?”
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Esther Basch, noted Holocaust survivor for anybody…
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: That is…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Tuning in for the first time.
Speaker 1: That’s how I feel about this because I’m like I know some of you. You would go to the OP and the gay bars with me. I know that you would go to pride and you would do these things. So now all of a sudden these same people you’ve known and partied with and hung out with are groomers? And I always think about that. And it’s the, um, comparison to how quickly people can just throw away people that they’ve known their whole lives or most…some of their lives and who know as human beings and people are able to…and how he’s tapped into that awfulness that they carry with them. It just absolutely is just astonishing to me and it’s so incredibly painful because, you know, I got an LGBTQ kid and my LGBTQ friends and I…I really don’t…Don DeSantis can go fuck himself. I…I wish I…when I say fuck himself, it’s something more violent, but that’s…that’s what I would really like to see because he is a terrible human being and the joy that he takes it and, um, my shithole of the week next week’s gonna be Mom’s for Liberty cause I’ve covered those bitches. But…
Speaker 2: Good call.
Speaker 1: Yes. They deserve all the dead flowers. All of the black roses. They…ugh, those bitches, I hate them…hate them so much, like I…
Speaker 3: Fuck them…
Speaker 1: I can’t…
Speaker 3: Bitches. Fuck them bitches.
Speaker 1: Sing it Carol.
Speaker 1: I just…yeah, I can’t think of anything worse than like women who are trying to help us all, ah, they take away the protections women have earned and they just…they’re complicit in their own downfall. They probably do see it, but they think, well, you know, I’ll have a shot I guess or as long as they can punish other women worse than them they…
Speaker 2: Yeah we have…
Speaker 1: They don’t care that they’re bringing violence on women.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: We have people like that in the black community…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 1: Ultimately.
Speaker 2: We like to call them Tim Scott and T…Clarence Thomas. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dude, I didn’t know he was a virgin. I…
Speaker 2: We ain’t got time.
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: We ain’t…we just…we’ll save that for another day.
Speaker 1: A fifty six year old virgin. I…I…
Speaker 2: We ain’t got time Ty. As for my closing thoughts. I just wanna add one…
Speaker 1: Is he closeted like Lady Linds? Is that a South Carolina thing?
Speaker 2: I don’t…I…I think it’s more a Christian…
Speaker 1: Is that a thing? South Carolina…
(Cross talking)
Speaker 2: Thing. No. So…
Speaker 1: I mean…
Speaker 2: I just wanna chip in a little point on…on what Ty was alluding to her closing thoughts. Whatever you wish people were doing in early 1930’s Germany, start doing that now. And that concludes this episode of Pardon the Insurrection.
Speaker 3: Unless you were a Nazi.
Speaker 2: And that concludes this episode of Pardon the Insurrection.