From Fashion to Spirituality | Tarot, Intuition & Saturn Return

What happens when intuition meets crisis? Cardsy B went from high-powered fashion executive to creating the Bad Bitches Tarot deck—all during her Saturn return. In this deep-dive, she reveals how her marriage ending, career collapse, and spiritual awakening became the same event. Learn how to recognize when burnout is actually your soul demanding alignment, and how channeling intuition through your darkest moments can build your life's truest work.

What does it take to turn life’s darkest moments into a bold, intuitive brand—and the Bad Bitches Tarot deck beloved worldwide?

After a high-powered run as a fashion executive, Cardsy B hit a wall during her Saturn return. With her marriage ending, friendships changing, career in shambles, and her savings depleted, she was forced to question everything she thought defined success. What she discovered was a reconnection to her childhood gifts—intuitive tarot reading and a deep, creative drive.

In this candid and captivating episode, Cardsy B reveals:

• The spiritual significance of the Saturn return—and how collapse can actually catalyze your authentic path
• How fast-paced corporate and creative industries can disconnect us from intuition (and what to do about it)
• The ways tarot and intuitive tools helped her reawaken psychic gifts, heal old patterns, and build a life of purpose
• Strategies for trusting your inner voice when you’ve been outsourcing power for years
• Secrets behind her iconic Bad Bitches Tarot deck and making spirituality relatable, inclusive, and fun
• Why high-performing CEOs and creatives are turning to intuition for a true competitive edge

With stories of personal transformation, practical tips for honoring “whispers” of intuition, and powerful reminders about the blend of inspired action and surrender, this conversation is a must-listen for anyone navigating their own Saturn return, spiritual awakening, or major life transition.

Whether you’re a tarot reader, a spiritual seeker, or simply craving deeper fulfillment, Cardsy B ’s journey will inspire you to ask: How good can it get? This episode of Spiritual Spotlight Series is your guide to owning your story, opening to divine timing, and manifesting magic from rock bottom to global impact.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to our spiritual spotlight series. Today I'm joined by Cartsy B. She's an author, intuitive tarot reader, and wellness influencer, has been featured in major outlets such as L, Forbes, and Nylon. Once a high fashion executive, high fashion executive, she experienced a profound life shift during her Saturn return that led to reconnect her to her intuition and fully step into her spiritual path. Man, those spirits Saturn returns are terrible. So I'm sorry. Today she's the creator of a globally recognized badass bitches tarot deck and the host of award-winning podcast Hex in the City, guiding everyone from creatives to CEOs back to their inner knowing. Thank you so much for coming on this virtual spotlight series. I'm so happy you're here. Yes, thank you so much, Rachel. I'm so happy to be here. I had like a moment reading that. I was like, oh, Saturn return. But we're gonna start from the beginning with you. So you describe yourself as a fashion bitch turned wellness witch. What did that identity give you and what did it quietly take away from you?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

That's a really good question. Yeah. I mean, I so I basically learned to read tarot and used to buy astrology decks when I was a kid, like 10, 11 years old. I would save my allowance and it was always a passion. But because it wasn't as widely accepted and mainstream as it is today, I never thought it would be a career. So I went to school for fashion design. And that's what I did. The biggest chunk of my adult life was I designed for Nike for Donna Karen. I was the creative director of Playboy for several years. And in that, I, in terms of what did it give me in that part of my life, I'm really grateful because a lot of what I did, even though I didn't fully understand at the time, was intuitive work. Was it a lot of trend forecasting, designing what's going to sell, what's going to resonate with the consumers the most, and also a lot of branding and marketing, which has helped me when I built my own business in this space, even though I never knew that those things were kind of what I was doing there and learning to do at that part of my life. I do believe that we kind of tap into this lifetime and have a journey that we've pre pre-chosen. And I think that's why I went through that path in terms of what it took away. I think there was just, and I think this is the case with many corporate and matrix-y jobs. There was so much pressure to succeed and climb the ladder. And, you know, I did all the things. I was a global vice president and creative director by 28 years old, but it was never necessarily from the intrinsic fulfillment place. It was from the external validation of, okay, more people will respect me and I'll have more money, which means I can, you know, have more friends and do more things that people find admirable and gravitate into my life. But it wasn't from a, I'm so passionately wildly excited to do this every day. And I never felt the sense of connection and healing myself and that I was offering great service the way that I do in my in my tarot and intuitive guidance work. But I mean, I found there was little things I found joyful. I love creating. It's why my my first tarot deck I hand illustrated. I'm a very creative person by nature. So there were aspects of it that I enjoyed, but it always kind of felt like, okay, I've quote unquote landed my dream job. Why am I not happier? And like, why do I feel so depleted and so kind of drained and not fulfilled?

SPEAKER_00 3:21

So do you think that high achieving environments like fashion, something like that, reward can maybe disconnect you from yourself and your spiritual path?

SPEAKER_01 3:33

I do feel that, like, I don't know that that's universally true for everyone, but for me and for many clients that I've seen in those industries of fashion, finance, there's kind of this concept of just keep just keep following the rules, just keep making more money, just keep climbing the ladder. And there were things at the time that I prioritized work above everything. One of the many things that led to my divorce was it was back in the days of Blackberries, before smartphones. And I would sleep with my BlackBerry under my bed because I had a lot of work that involved like Asian clients and licensees. So when we were sleeping, their markets were active. So if I got up and awoke in the middle of the night from a dream or had to go to the bathroom, I would just start emailing. And I was working around the clock because that was rewarded, but it wasn't necessarily healthy for me physically or energetically. But it did, you know, got me ahead in my career at a very young age. So yeah, there were things that I think held me away from my intuition because I wasn't as clear with like, what does my body need? Like, what do I actually feel and what brings me joy, or what when do I need rest and when do I need recalibration? And those are things that in my work now are essential to for me to succeed. Cause if I don't do that, I can't show up for my clients in a way that's going to be healing for them. It was just like churn out more work, keep going, less sleep is better. I had a fridge full of sugar-free Red Bull in my Playboy office because I was like just chugging through it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

I love that. So you went through what many would call a total life collapse. What did that moment feel like in your body?

SPEAKER_01 5:06

Yeah, so it was at my Saturn return, which is why my book is called The Saturn Diaries, because it's half memoir, half spell book. And it was at that point of like 27 to 31 years old, where I thought I had all the boxes checked. At that point, I think I was, you know, already creative director of Playboy. I was married. I had like, you know, the great apartment and the fabulous Carrie Bradshaw life in Manhattan. And in in those years, uh, it was one, it was literally one thing after the other. I think the first thing my best friend passed away of HIV-related complications. And in addition to being my best friend, he was kind of my mentor in the fashion industry because he had been my first boss. And he was always who I went to as that part of my identity of like to career advice. And he was like my Yoda. And he passed away shortly after that. Um, my ex asked for a divorce. And uh at that point, like I was the kind of financial provider in the relationship. So that was that part, you know, that was expensive in ways. And then right after that was when Playboy kind of pushed me out of my big like creative director VP role and said, if you don't move to Beverly Hills immediately, like your position is gone. And I was such a New Yorker and my family and all my family, everything was in the New York area. So for me, I just everything I identified as is I used to be like, oh, this is my title. That's a part of me. I'm married to this person, I'm this person's wife, that's a part of me. And my best friend and him as my mentor was a big part of my identity. So all of these ego identifiers were just pulled out from under me within a matter of like three, four years. And I kind of didn't know who I was anymore. And it's it was brutal, but I always say I would lobotomize myself and do it again if I had to to have this life because that's really what brought me into this work. And I, you know, I went through so many collapses in that time. There were health issues. There were like I lost all of my money. I would because I after I left Playboy, I was like, cool, I'll start my own lingerie line. I have the contacts to do that. And it looked great on paper. Like Madonna wore it, Beyonce wore it, but I was just hemorrhaging money on the back end because it was all my savings went into it. And then the partner that I've or the company I partnered with to produce it was stealing from me on the back end. So I basically went from having like a real, you know, an ample savings to $237 at the lowest point, and had to move out of the apartment that I had when I was married and was living in a 300 square foot apartment in Chinatown with rats and cockroaches. And nobody knew that because they just knew my fabulous before life. So they knew what I was posting on Instagram, which was never the interior of my apartment or what my real life looked like. And it had to get to that level for me to say, like, well, if all of these things are gone and like all of my money and my big job and the reason that I thought people liked me, first of all, it showed who my real friends were. It also showed that what like the only question was what fulfills me and what am I here to do if everything's been stripped? And I had to get really honest with, okay, if I have nothing, like that it's kind of freeing. It was terrible at the time. I'm not gonna lie. It was definitely not fun. Of course, like the size of Lola. I was like, are they leading to Fraggle Rock? Like, what is happening here? But I really had to examine like what am I here to do? And that's when I started just like pulling one tarot card a day for myself of in this time that nothing seems clear. What does God source the universe want me to know? And that kind of brought me back to tarot, brought me back home to astrology, which were all things that were a big part of my childhood and hobbies that I had had for a long time that I never understood the depth of their meaning until my Saturn return.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Wow. So do you think your Saturn return broke you down or actually revealed who you were all along?

SPEAKER_01 8:41

I mean both. I I feel like I'm not gonna lie, I have such a complex relationship with Saturn. I have mad respect because of what my life is now. And you know, it's it's literally the title of my book, but it also I feel like it it beat the shit out of me to help me rebuild and find the truth of my purpose and who I am. So a little bit of both, you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

So you return to Tarot during, you know, like you said earlier, in your dark, one of your darkest times. What did it give you that nothing else could?

SPEAKER_01 9:09

That really brought me back home to my intuition. And it's a thing that I think was very loud as a child. I was one of those weird psychic kids. My dad would always be like, I don't know how, but she knows things. Like we would be driving, and I would tell my parents, I don't like to go that way. It feels depressing, and they wouldn't know why. And then there would be finding out, like, you know, in the newspaper, there was an accident on that that highway or on that road. So I had a very highly attuned psychic sense when I was a kid. And as I got older, it never felt beneficial. It was always kind of like it made me feel othered and it made me feel very anxious, honestly. So I started to drink quite heavily as like a late teen in college. And as a result of that, that's how I learned to tune it out. I was like, oh, cool. Like if I'm just drinking, I don't have the weird psychic dreams. I can be at a party and not reading other people's energy. Like this feels great. Alcohol's my bestie. And so as I came through that Saturn return, one of the things I realized, I was like, I have to stop drinking away, like the pain and the numbing to come back home to myself. And in that, it really brought my intuition back on online. So the tarot was a huge tool for that. But it also allowed me to see like if I'm going to allow myself to tap in and feel everything, I have to become more boundaried too. So that was a big part of learning that in this work with clients, but also that I think a lot of the times I shut my intuition out when I was younger because I didn't understand how to boundary. So I was like, oh, I just I don't want to know. Let me just numb everything. So yeah, that was a huge gift. And it is what brought me home to tarot and my intuitive gifts for sure.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Absolutely. So maybe for someone who feels disconnected right now, what is maybe the first sign that their two intuition is trying to speak to them?

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Yeah, I feel like there, you know, there's a quote, I don't know if it's Maya Angelou or Oprah. I'm probably gonna butcher this, but it's it's kind of life speaks to you first in a whisper and then an audible tone and then a shout. So if you're starting to get those little nudges and you're like, oh, like what is that? And you don't know why, because it's not necessarily something that someone is physically telling you. It could be a small sign, it could be like, I need to pay attention to that. For me, I was having dreams of like, I need to stop drinking, I need to drink less. And I wasn't, it was like that's an inconvenient truth at that point in my life. And but it was getting louder and louder. So I think one of the ways when we first start having those intuitive hits is it's quiet at first. It feels like I'm paying attention to that and I don't know why. It could be that you're seeing number sequences as you're as you're thinking something of like, oh my gosh, like I feel like I need to leave this job and it's toxic and it's not good for me. And every time you have that thought, you see one, one, one of kind of like, oh, there's new beginnings that are calling to you. But I think it starts small and soft, and we can ignore it, but the more we ignore it, it will get louder.

unknown 11:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

So, how do you help people trust their intuition when they've spent years outsourcing their power?

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Yes, that's such a good, and that's such a good way of phrasing that I think we all do, and I think we're even trained to. There's so many things like in the school system and corporate life that it's like, ah, just like power through that. Don't think about that. So, yeah, I work with clients one-on-one. I have a monthly coaching program, but that's specifically around coming back home to our intuitive gifts. I also have a one-on-one session that is just diving into how, like, how does our intuition come through? Because there's many ways. Some of us see things, hear things. Whenever I do sessions, I always just have like one earphone in because I often hear things in my left ear through clear audience. So I'll work with clients and kind of say, like, see, first of all, how are you receiving this information? Because a lot of people come to me and say, exactly to your previous question, I'm starting to get these like signs or synchronicities, but I don't know how to read them or they're they're not always the same. So I try to break it down into like the senses of do are is it a feeling place? Is it in a knowing, clear, cognizant place? Is it do you hear things? Do you see things? Is it through number sequences? Do you work best with tools like tarot that you can kind of use to organize visuals? And from there, I think it's easier when we start to learn how we receive information to organize the information and translate it.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

I love that. So you now work with CEOs, creatives, and high performers. Why do you think intuitive workup is becoming so essential in business?

SPEAKER_01 13:19

I do think that it's been kind of ignored for so long. And a lot of the high performers that I see, whether it's like finance guys on Wall Street here in New York or A-list celebrities, they have begun to kind of correlate their success with their inner guidance system because there are things that even if they've been trained in a certain way, that when they know to override it, or like, I don't know why I just chose this choice and see the wins with it, it's like cool. I want to be able to continue to hone those skills and I want to be able to be aware of my blind spots. That's the one thing when people ask me, like, oh, you read for all of these like famous celebrities, like, what do they ask you? And I'm always like, Yeah, they ask about love and like, you know, abundance, like the rest of us. It's kind of like the old tabloids of like celebrities are just like us, they're asking about love and money. But more than anything, the common question is, what are my blind spots and what am I not seeing? And I think that's really like, how do I come back home to my intuition? And usually when that's revealed in a reading of like, hey, like this feels like it's on the periphery, they'll say, I felt that, or I kind of knew that and I didn't, it's like I didn't want to believe it or I didn't trust it if it's good news. So I think that that's the thing with high performers, whether it's executives or or you know, celebrities or musicians, that they they have the sense of that is what has set me apart. It has allowed me to achieve a high level of success, and I want to continue to develop that inner knowing and that intuitive skill.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Absolutely. So, how can someone use tarot or intuitive tools without spiritually bypassing real life responsibility?

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Oh, that's such a good. I love you have a great question. I love that question because I know there's such a fine line between like, I don't need to decide until I see three things on my on my refrigerator.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

I'll just sit at my at my door until the my knight in shining armor shows up without taking divine aligned action.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Yes, and that's such a good to your point. It really, I always say that it's the combination of intuition meets inspired action. So yes, we can we can manifest, we can sit with intention and get clear around what it is we're magnetizing and calling in, but we need inspired action. And there's a like there's a whole spectrum. I always feel like it's we know if we're honest with ourselves, like which side we err on. I always say I'm a I'm a recovering mana forcer where I'm a Sagittarius Aries rising. So I'm like, let's make this happen. So I often have to like find the pause of like what is my intention and find the pause to receive more than to just like squeeze something into being. But there are people that like they're very comfortable in the pause, and they are the ones that are like, I want the like sexy, amazing boyfriend, but I'm unwilling to go out to social events and I will not be caught dead on an app, and they're unwilling to take the inspired action. So I feel like if we know kind of what our comfy, cozy zone is, it's doing a little more of the opposite. Like I have learned to be a little bit more patient and a little bit less of a man of forcer, it's still my default setting, but I'm constantly working on it.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah, it's so true. It's so true. So you didn't just heal, you actually built a global brand. What does that the moment you realize that this could be actually your life's work and you know coming to fruition?

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Yeah, I mean, thank you. And it's crazy to think about it because yeah, now it has been several years that this is my full-time work. And I I love that, like, you know, I'm a published author and I get to work with these amazing clients and do these huge global events. And it's it is really because I didn't plan it and I just kept taking the next right step. And what I would say is anyone who's wanting to make that shift where they're dissatisfied or they know they're not fully in their purpose work and they know that they, whether it's intuitive gifts or, you know, like astrology, healing gifts like Reiki that they're they're unlocking, that they're very good at, but don't know how to make it their full-time career. You don't have to go from A to Z. I definitely built myself a bridge. That's the everyone loves kind of like the overnight success stories with people of like, oh my God, you were just doing this and now it's now you're all the way here. But I slowly, I was still freelancing in the fashion industry for the first couple of years of building my business. And that allowed me, it's kind of the way that people don't announce they're pregnant until the three-month mark. I got to kind of, you know, create this business that was my baby and not put all the pressure of it while I was bringing what I needed to to like make ends meet through freelance and consulting clients. And then I slowly cut back the security blanket of dropping like a client, dropping like less hours with when I had one client left, I was taking like less and less projects or less and less hours until I was at the place that I was like, wow, I can really like pay all of my bills and my my expenses to live off of the the tarot and intuitive work.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

So cool. So you mentioned this before. You your book, The Saturn Diers Diaries. Yeah. I'm having a moment, is described as part memoir, part spell book. What inspired you to blend storytelling with that kind of ritual?

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah, you know what's so crazy is I was approached by a publisher in 2020, right before the pandemic hit. I want to say like maybe it was December of 2019, like January 2020. And they were were came to me and said, Your story is very interesting. It's kind of a devil wears Prada where you went from this, like literally like fashion bitch, into this like tarot and and intuitive wellness which we would love for you to write that as a memoir. And I was like, great, I want to do it. The original publisher, and I said, I would, but I would like to make it half grimoire, which is like a fancy name for spell book, because throughout that, there were certain tarot cards, certain like herbal elixirs and meditations I came up with that like I helped myself to heal through a lot of this or things I unlocked in my own healing journey. And they were like, Okay, we love that, but it's got to be two books. No, just start with the memoir. Like that does not exist. And I was like, well, that's why I want to do it this way, because it can be read one of two ways. You can read it, you know, cover to cover as a memoir that a lot of people say is like a witchy sex in the city, because it's all it's all based on a true story, but like friends that are characters in the book and like celebrities that I had to somewhat disguise their identities. But there's also at the end of every chapter a spell or an elixir or um a ritual with a tarot card that I used healing throughout that time. So some people will buy it and they're literally like, I just want like the spells to utilize, and they will go to those chapters. So I wanted accessibility as a healing tool in both ways. But yeah, that's how I ended up with the publisher, the second publisher that I came across speaking at an event. She was like, I love this. And I told her my concept and why I walked away from the original publisher. And she she totally got it and was like, Yes, let's let's do this. I love it. So that's why the full title is The Saturn Diaries, a Modern Day Grimoire, because it's like a memoir/slash spell book.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

Yeah. If your book had one core message, like the truth that you would want a tattoo on someone's soul, what would it be?

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Yeah, I would say that self-love is the greatest healing tool or healing spell of all. And that's what really the end of the book. It's like there's many of my romantic misadventures, and it ends up with just like uh the the key to love is really loving yourself first, and then everything else follows that. So I think that in times of darkness, in times of loss or addiction or any of those combined that I went through in my Saturn return, it was disconnection from loving myself, and that disconnected me from my intuition and disconnected me from just faith in the universe. So plugging back into that brought all of that back online.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

That's such an important reminder. So creating the baddest bitches tarot deck is iconic. What was the intention behind making spirituality more relatable?

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Yeah, that was um, thank you. And that was totally it is my goal and my work, like daily, because I think a lot of it, a lot of people are intrigued and interested in tarot and astrology, but the it can feel very intimidating to someone who's never all touched a tarot deck or never, you know, been been in this space. So when I I learned to read when I was like self-taught when I was like 10 years old, but I even remember the guidebooks felt very nonsensical to me. And I just kind of learned by like little kids are easier, it's easier for them to learn languages because it was kind of self-taught, and I just did it in my own play way. And I even had a friend of mine who we used to play games like GoFish or War card games and defend why the card would win. And that's kind of how I learned tarot. So, because of that, I wanted to make something that was less intimidating and more accessible. And the old, like in the old cards, even when we were talking about like in my first deck, like the Hierophant card is inspired by Oprah. Most people are like, what is a Hierophant? Because it's it's language and it's like religious figures that many of us don't even know or aren't familiar with in this day and age because the deck was created centuries ago. So that's when I I used kind of all iconic modern women as each of the cards that symbolize the essence of the card. So yeah, like Hierophant's inspired by Oprah, like Empress is inspired by Angelina Jolie with all like as like Tomb Raider, but with all of her babies. I'm like, I know who that is. Yeah, totally. And then I have the chariots inspired by Miley Cyrus, because it's kind of like the vehicles, the rocking ball, and the chariot. And my initial plan with that was I was like, even if I just teach with this deck, because I was doing small groups and teaching, it helps me make things more understand. And then people would get it. They're like, oh, I get what that is. It's like Oprah, it's like super soul lessons of okay, she kind of awakens people like the Hierophant does, which was originally like a Pope figure. And not everyone resonates with the Pope, but like everyone kind of gets that with Oprah. They're like, Yeah, she's inspiring. She like, you know, gives you like the soul lessons. So I was seeing that in teaching when I would reference what I would say the card would be. So I was like, okay, I'll just I'll hand illustrate this deck and create it even just for teaching and for sharing on my social media. And then it kind of took off. And so then I started selling it in the US and Canada and then in Europe. So it's it was one of those things. I think that's the essence of my early part of my career was it wasn't planned. There wasn't a business plan. I was just creating what I loved and what was helping people learn and connect to their intuition and to tarot. And it kind of snowballed and it was like the universe showing me keep going this direction, like keep doing what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

I really like that, you know, for someone like myself, like I've been in a spiritual world a long time, but for me, reading the tarot is difficult because I don't necessarily resonate with the tarot deck, but the way that you're explaining it, I'm like, oh wait, this does make sense. So I could see how utilizing a deck such as yourselves, like this badass bitches tarot deck, I can 100% resonate with that because I shifted to Oracle cards. I was like, Oracle cards make sense, I understand this, but now I'm like, all right, I'm gonna get that deck and I'm gonna try to learn it again because it makes sense. And you have a second deck that is it ready?

SPEAKER_01 24:13

You're designing, are you able to share a little bit about it's with the publishers? Yeah, it's with my publishers at Shipper Red Feather, that it's gonna be the Hex in the City tarot deck. So it's all kind of modern witches set in New York City. And so similarly to how this deck was inspired, it's much more modernized. And what I love that I was able to do in the second one that I learned through like wishing things that I had done in the first one is all of the cards have the astrological symbols and the ties to the elements. So there's elemental rulings, astrological rulings in every card. But if you're wanting to dive deeper into reading more with numerology, elements, and astrology, this deck, the new deck has that. So yeah, yeah, love that.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Now you also have an award-winning podcast, Hex in the City. What was the original uh vision behind starting that?

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Yeah, well, that was it was a teaching tool. So similarly, when I was creating the deck and I just wanted to share information on Instagram, I was getting a lot of, I was doing lives at the time. I think I started my Instagram in like 2018 and getting a lot of people saying, like, you should start a podcast. We love how you teach the tarot. So it started out as kind of a tool to help people understand, like when you're saying it can be so like it can be polarizing and like it doesn't really make sense. And there's 78 cards and they're very balls and tower cards. Totally, totally. And so it started off, that was my intent was to be able to kind of democratize tarot. And then from there, it's grown into I do a weekly energy update with all of the astrological transits that are key for the week ahead. So now a lot of people will tune in almost like for a weather report of like like this this past week, it was like, okay, watch out for Sunday and Monday, but like Wednesday and Thursday are great for love and money. So people are kind of like, yeah, like what do I need to know? What are the days I should maybe like pause before sending the reactive email to my boss? So that's the first chunk of it. And then I have guests that are in the metaphysical, the astrological, the kind of healing, healing space come on. But yeah, it's it's evolved over time into just like a teaching tool with people who want to be able to learn more of what they're intuitively experiencing. And I have a lot of people say to me, either like they listen to it and they're like, absolutely, that happened this week, or like, oh, I didn't listen until after the facts and I wish I had because I had this blowout fight with my husband that had I been a little more mindful of what was coming, I could have, you know, mitigated that to a degree.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

So, so true. So, what did you have to unlearn about success in order to step fully into this version of yourself?

SPEAKER_01 26:47

That's I I think it was really the the biggest lesson was surrender. And it's truly, there's there's no better way. It's terrible, and I don't recommend it if you don't have to, but there's no better way than literally losing everything because at every turn now, I always am like, okay, I I literally had to start all over again from the bottom and rebuild. And if I can do that, anything can be taken and I know I'll be okay. I don't, I don't want it to, obviously, but I know that it was a big my Saturn return really taught me the surrender of ego identifier. So even when people say to me now, like, oh my God, you're thriving in this work, you're so happy you've created this beautiful, abundant life with this work. Are you gonna do this forever? And I just say, I'm gonna do this as long as it makes me happy and I'm able to be of service. If at any point that changes, I'll be open to where I'm being directed. Because I think I was gripping on white knuckle to my old life. And even as it was dissembling throughout my Saturn return, I was trying to duct tape it back together of like, no, no, like this is who I am. It has to stay this way. So it's helped me to embrace when you said brought brought up the tower, like the fear of the tower that many of us hold of oh my gosh, I don't want to lose this house, this partner, this job. I kind of welcome the tower moments, knowing like, okay, this is gonna be uncomfortable, but I know it's redirecting me to a higher version of myself that's gonna put me on path to a happier version of my life.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

I love that. So you kind of mentioned this a little bit before about like elixirs, which I thought was interesting and doing some spell work. So you've worked with everything from tarot to plant medicine. What do you feel creates transformation versus just a spiritual experience?

SPEAKER_01 28:26

I mean, I feel like a spiritual experience can occur in anything for anyone. So that's another of like what you're drawn to, what resonates with you. So for some people, they may have those awakening experiences with working with tarot. Some people have it literally just working out. You know, I have people that say, like, I meditate through my workouts. Like that's when I have all of these things but lock, or I meditate when I'm in water, whether it's swimming in the ocean or like in a shower, that the downloads come. So I would say it's different for everybody and find the environments, the tools or the elements like earth, air, water that activate that within you and keep following the feeling.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

I love that. And before I ask you the last question, if anyone is interested in learning more about you, maybe booking a reading, getting your energy forecast, which I'm definitely gonna have to tune into. I know you have a huge Instagram presence. What is the best place for them to go to?

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Yeah, everything is just Card Z B. So C R D S Y B. So Card Z B.com is my website, which will direct you to everything. Um, my handle on Instagram is Card Z B. And if you even just Google, it'll pull up all of the platforms. So yeah, and I would definitely recommend going to the website and subscribing to the newsletter because you get free energy updates, free mini rituals there. And as a result of that, it'll direct you to the podcast, to anything else that's going on, any events that are happening. I do a lot of events in New York and then around the world in Toronto, sometimes Los Angeles and other places. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

That is so cool. So if someone is in their very own Saturn return moment right now, feeling like everything is falling apart, what would you want them to know?

SPEAKER_01 30:09

I would definitely say I have all of the empathy in the world because it can be super challenging, but trust the process. And if anything is showing up that feels like, oh my gosh, but I don't want this to change, I would ask, you know, do you trust that better can be, is there a potential for it to be even better than what's being removed? Because I think that's the fear of like the human attachment to we don't like the unknown. But what if what's being removed, if it's a job, if it's a romantic partner, what if on the other side of that is even more fulfilling and even more joyful and even more exciting and abundant, trying to hold that potential of like, well, what if it gets even better than this? So yeah, I have a lot of clients that are in the the two like young ranges of the Saturn return of 27 to 31 and then late 50s to early 60s. If we're lucky, we get another one at like Betty White's age, you know, like early 90s, like late 80s, early 90s, whatever that is. But I have a lot of um clients in their, you know, one of their first first or second Saturn return clusters because we do go through a lot of life lessons at those times for sure. And I think the more we can embrace the faith that the change, even when it's painful, can be a good thing. It can be growing pains of putting us onto our highest timeline is really powerful.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

I love that so much. It's a good reminder that your life can be amazing and we just have to be willing to look past that uncomfortable feeling. And how good does it get? Like that's kind of like your your, I feel like your part of your mantra. Like, how good can it get? Yes. Like, how good can it get? Of course it can be amazing. Card C B told us so. Yes, I love that so much. Thank you so much for coming on this virtual spotlight series. This truly has been amazing to connect with you today. Thank you. Thank you. Oh my goodness, thank you so much. This was so fun.