Pure Football

Josh recovers from the Rams loss by digesting the divisional round with Andy. They look ahead at championship weekend and debate what truly makes a sports franchise great.

Transcript

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Josh
All right. Welcome back to another episode of your Other League. This is your host Josh. Happy to be joining you guys. I know some of you guys might think that I'm super disappointed because I'm coming to you guys after a Rams playoff loss. I don't know, I need to go back and listen to myself more carefully on like how deeply I portray my fandom because I'm yeah, I'm a Rams.

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Josh
I feel like you got to pick a team obviously when it comes to sports. Happy that my team did really well this season. You know, I was one of my sports highlights from 2024. You know how well they did. But I don't wrap my identity up in any team that I root for. Besides, you know, my family and my my podcast team really like there's no no, you know, I'm okay if the Rams lose.

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Josh
I do not accept like, consolation messages from our team that I'm a fan of loss. So you know I'm I'm this I know this episode is coming a few days late. I wasn't feeling good. It had nothing to do with the Rams losing. But I do appreciate, you know, all the fans out there who who really get in and and really feel that pain of loss and, and the triumph of victory when their teams do well.

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Josh
But welcome back to the show. We got a great episode for you guys.

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Josh
Andy's back.

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Josh
How are you, Andy?

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Andy
I'm doing great. I mean, great weekend of football.

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Josh
Yeah, great weekend of football. I know, you know, I, I just it's going to it would it's going to get cut anyway. We had a conversation teed up. You guys will be like suspiciously saying nothing about the inauguration. But it's like, you know like this show has a producer and Ryan's not going to just let us talk about whatever we want.

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Josh
And we've already been accused once of promoting murder on the show. We don't want any potential liability of promoting any Nazis, promoting any anything bad. So we're going to we got, Ryan has tamped us down, refocused us on football, and we're going to be talking about a lot of football in this episode today.

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Josh
Of course, we're going to be visiting, last week's divisional round, and talking about all those games, because there was a lot of drama on the field.

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Josh
Whether you're watching the Chiefs game, commanders, Rams, Ravens, whatever. All those games had a lot of good stuff. And I'm sure we'll be recapping all that, as best we can here. You know, here on the show, not to hurt any sensibilities or anything, especially when we get talking about that Chiefs game. We'll also

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Josh
be looking ahead at the championship matchups.

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Josh
So, you know, we have, some potential Super Bowl scenarios laid out in front of us. So we'll be doing some discussion about that. And then at the end of the episode, we're going to wrap it up with,

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Josh
you know, I guess just kind of, state of the NFL sort of discussion about NFL franchises, what we consider some of the top NFL franchises.

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Josh
You know, why some people may potentially identify so hard with their teams and why some fandoms, you know, you can associate where it's like certain fans like, you know, maybe they're really hurting like those Lions fans after that game. Like they might they'll probably take a consolation text, you know what I mean? Like, we'll kind of address just the state of NFL franchises, what makes them popular, what makes them valuable, and just kind of have a little bit of a fun football discussion.

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Josh
As far as that goes, but, you know, I, I will start with this. Did you watch any of the CFP college football championship?

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Andy
I did,

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Andy
I like Kirk Herbstreit, but him calling the game and crying after Ohio State won.

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Andy
Do do.

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Josh
That's. Yeah, that's a little problematic. It did. And one thing to what was interesting is I feel like in order to make up for that all that they were also just like just like touting these the the Notre Dame storylines, the coach this that the, you know, the the they were like really pushing these Notre Dame storylines like in your face to like like, you know, leading up to the game in the pregame coverage, you'd almost think Notre Dame was scrimmaging themselves the way they were talking about it in the lead up and everything.

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Josh
And then during the game, yeah, you felt like

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Josh
you almost felt like you as a person watching the game objectively. Like, you know, me, I guess because I'm not associated with either one of those fan bases, potentially. You almost felt like Ohio State made you have to cheer for them though, the way that they were just dominating after a certain point in that game.

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Josh
So it's like the the broadcast almost just like kind of went with the flow of the game. But yes, at some point it's like we I felt like I was watching the Ohio State college football championship movie already, you know what I mean? I was like, they already put this in movie form and that Kirk's going to get an Oscar for this.

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Josh
The guy playing Kirk Herbstreit, whoever it is who would play Kirk Herbstreit in the movie.

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Andy
Oh, that's a good question, Timothy.

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Josh
Tell me. Come on Timothy Show plays Kirk Herbstreit. It'll be about five years from now.

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Andy
No he's he's way too young. You got to go like, do you want maybe Leo or McConaughey, someone that were around that age? I'd say.

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Josh
Okay, I.

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Andy
Like that they got the you know, they they kind of got the same complexion, same,

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Josh
McConaughey's just too much swagger to it, though. You got. I think DiCaprio could play the reserved Kirk. I think DiCaprio's better than McConaughey. McConaughey I'm not going to just box him in and what his acting abilities are, but he tends to bring a little bit of flair where we need a little bit of, you know, recede a little craft.

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Josh
Yeah, there we go. A little craft, even better. But yeah, you know, Ohio State, you know, they're kind of a storied franchise. They were played a hell of a brand of football this football season. We didn't talk about it a ton here on the show. So I'm not just going to go through and say a bunch about it right now, but you know, at the beginning, it was an exciting game to watch.

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Josh
I will say though. Yes, come on, man. At the end on Kirk Herbstreit. Like, I get it, you were going through a ton of stuff. I guess this year. I saw some more media kind of around this later on, but yeah, that was a lot. It did feel like the movie. So, we, we will just address it because it did happen earlier this week.

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Josh
And I just wanted to chat about that because, yeah, I mean, you couldn't help but to watch the game and and it I don't know I don't know how that's going to be you know for the legacy of, of college football how the playoffs went. Maybe we'll look deeper into that during, you know, the off season or something like that, when we have more time to just kind of look into into random stuff.

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Josh
But,

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Josh
another news worthy thing that it's just this isn't Ryan who keeps cutting this one. It's you refusing to get into this fucking story with me because this Justin Baldoni,

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Josh
stuff is just heating up.

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Andy
It is. And I as far as, like, it's

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Andy
I'm just it's hard to tell what's there, you know what I'm saying? Because they have right now, they're just. They're just like two monkeys, throwing, shooting each other in a zoo, you know? And we don't know who's at fault. It seems to be like. Problem is.

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Josh
Is that they were acting in a movie where their were the roles were to throw shit at each other dressed as monkeys. So it's like now they're releasing videos and he's saying, look, I'm throwing shit perfectly at her. And she's saying he's actually throwing shit at me. So it's like it's getting to be to the point of now we have to hold off because we didn't get into this early enough.

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Josh
Andy, like I wanted to. You wouldn't jump in because no bodies were there. But I'm thinking the body is going to be popping up in this story soon because it's starting to get nasty and somebody is going to have to go down. So,

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Josh
I'm going to make you talk about it at some point in depth.

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Andy
Okay. Yeah, I will I mean, I don't think Blake Lively is going to get a look at coming out of this. The, the the texture to come out. I'll say that, I think. Yeah, it's a little shaky for.

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Josh
All right. Interesting, interesting. But we're not going to get too far into it. We'll leave it for another day because it's time to rewind to the past to last weekend's divisional rounds. And where do you want to start? Where do you want to start? Do you want to start on Saturday with the scandalous matchup between the Chiefs and the Texans, where, I mean, everybody's seen it at this point.

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Josh
Do you want to talk about

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Josh
what happened to the Lions?

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Andy
Sorry, I take you chronological right. Right through it. All right. Well let's go Chiefs.

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Josh
Chiefs

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Josh
teaming up with the refs managed to make easy work of the Texans in the first game of the divisional round.

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Josh
What do you want to say about this?

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Andy
It is very odd that the Texans can outgained the Chiefs by over 100 yards. I think it was like 100 and 3040 have zero turnovers and still be still lose by nine. They they knelt down the ball at the end of the game with time on the clock. I hate that move. Personally. The Texans surrendered themselves. That's there was no chance of winning.

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Andy
And so I Mahomes is just like

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Andy
he's just baiting. He's just he's just trying to beat through penalties. And it's just like the classic Chiefs drive where they get like two big penalties, two personal thousand, like they draw them offsides and zero. And they and they get a test shout out of it somehow.

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Andy
I don't know I, I want to see I want to see them just have a performance where they look like the better team, you know, the pass, the high test one time.

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Josh
Yeah. Who? I mean, honestly, that's the passing. The eye testing is the most scathing criticism that you can give any team right now. Because especially, you know, in this highlight driven era when if you just focus on Patrick Mahomes highlights, you know, you can, you know or anyone, I'm not going to see Patrick Mahomes because he's not the guy having a highlight type of season.

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Josh
You know maybe Baker Mayfield or something like that. A guy scout, you know, you can just look at his highlight reel and you see, you know, what he is. But you got to watch the team really play a game

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Josh
to really see how they, you know, how they perform. And the Chiefs yeah. Haven't passed the eye test.

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Josh
And if you're just ranking football objectively

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Josh
ranking these games, it was the worst on the field product that the NFL put out for a divisional weekend just as far as officiating went as far as officiating, interfering with the on field product. As far as just

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Josh
plays that didn't really reflect NFL football. You know, when you're talking about flopping and stuff like that, it just

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Josh
it was ugly in that sense.

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Josh
And I know we've already talked about this before on the show and that is, you know, is anyone rooting for the Chiefs because we have all these potential,

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Josh
Super Bowl matchups laid out. And I guess I have this listed down here at the bottom for some reason. But we'll kind of just talk about this through as we're talking about all these games is like, you know, what are what is the winners of these matchups could potentially look like in the Super Bowl.

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Josh
And it's like, are the Chiefs like really especially after that like are they kind of like public enemy number one in the sports world right now.

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Andy
I think so it's just like you said it's the product that's out there I know you brought up earlier. You're like, okay, well, people would and I think rightfully so for like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, three peat. And I think it's just because those guys like we're able to show their greatness. It wasn't it wasn't like a byproduct of this thing that we can all see with our own eyes that even the, the, even Troy Aikman and Joe Buck are rolling their eyes at, so, I just I just hope if they do, when they're able to just, like, maybe just unleash Mahomes and their offense a little bit and just, show

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Andy
us, give us a reason to, you know, be proud to call them the champions if they do to win that.

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Andy
Okay.

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Josh
I'm not going to make you I'm not going to make you do any more on that. We're going to move past that. So the Texans are gone. And what I do think we're going to do Andy, I don't I'm hoping that I can get you back for this episode is I want to do before the Super Bowl hopefully is like a postmortem on all the teams that have been eliminated, you know, in the playoffs and what their off season and what the future of this, you know, team might be looking like going into 2025.

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Josh
So we'll be doing some post-mortems. I just do like saying that. It's like saying that

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Josh
sorry. Next game commanders kill the lions. Kill them.

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Josh
Absolutely killed them. Because I have down here for some reason, I'm already making a Lions prediction right now. They're going to go four and 13 next season. They just they that was a killer loss.

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Josh
That was the kind of loss that the Cowboys suffered against

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Josh
the Packers that just devastated the franchise. I mean commanders it was like 45, 34 or whatever. It looks like the Lions had a game, but it's like, what what Jared Goff and I've said this before, I don't know if I necessarily feel vindicated because it's heartbreaking. But I've said this before that Jared Goff you have to he has to take you.

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Andy
To.

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Josh
Those heights to be able to let you down that far. And that game was an example of that to a tee eye. I honestly believe

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Josh
that if you take Jared Goff out of the equation and just put like a 5050 game manager, middling quarterback in and then they they've refocused their game plan to running more. And even if even after the point that they got behind and all that.

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Josh
Nope. Just didn't do some of the stupid shit. We saw Jamison Williams throwing balls and shit.

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Josh
That they had a better chance than with Jared Goff. That I really believe that Teddy Bridgewater staying in might have given them a better half, their better chance in the second half, and I'm not being

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Josh
it's just that's what Jared Goff does.

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Andy
I mean that's a big that's a big statement. I,

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Andy
I think there's some truth there though.

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Andy
I think teams like the Lions are they're they're fun. They're you know, they're always the last two years, three years even. They they've been the most fun team. They just it just seems like they can do anything. And when they play those bad teams, they just beat up on them.

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Andy
And

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Andy
yeah, at some point we have to, look at Jared Goff is, can he do it? And at this point, what is he, late 20s? I mean.

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Josh
28 or 29.

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Andy
Yeah. I, I probably believe in like ten more quarterbacks than him for sure.

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Josh
So I think there's, I think there's 14 more quarterbacks than him like easily. And he's he's right there. Actually I think there's 15 more and he's 16. He's right in the middle. He's not even on the good side of it. So, I don't know.

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Josh
Jayden Daniels though. Let's focus on something that's more exciting because early on in the season, we were really praising Jayden Daniels.

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Josh
I even was like, we need to like, peel it back because it's just getting to be ridiculous. They kind of went through a little bit of a slump, but legitimately it was his. He was injured. He got beat down in that first half of the season. He needed time off. He's come back. And his performance and his performance in prime time games, his performance in these playoff games is just been incredible to watch.

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Josh
Like talk about a guy who's not letting you down. You know what I mean? That type of play that we're seeing from the commanders, if that was game after game, we are seeing shit like that from the Chiefs. And just like, like what you're saying, like, give us something to root for. Like, I don't care what your opinions are on the on the commanders shit.

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Josh
They could still be called the Redskins. It you can't not be rooting for them right now.

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Andy
Oh my gosh. Yeah it's amazing. And he's doing it with guys that we that either were once great or that would be great. Like Terry McLaurin Zach Ertz Zach Ertz has had like Eckler. Yeah they've they've yeah. Ertz has had like three NFL careers. You know and

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Andy
it is hard to argue like it's just him you know like you said he's him.

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Andy
It's the huge difference. And you know him being coming in as a season rookie

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Andy
I don't think that even takes away from him being definitely the most successful we've seen. An NFL rookie quarterback I know Marie Marino took the the Dolphins to Super Bowl.

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Andy
But I, I just can't see, someone changing a team as much as him, that's for sure.

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Josh
Yeah. And it's like a rookie ownership group, too, you know, like it's new ownership. This is their first chance to get the, you know, a star.

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Josh
What what I what I took away from that game, and I don't know, I'm not a Cardinals fan, but I've watched a ton of Cardinals football down here in Arizona. You guys know that as I was watching it, I was like, man, so that's what a guy like Kyler Murray could be if he was six inches taller.

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Josh
And yeah, he just it really watching Jayden Daniels play like made me feel like Kyler Murray's out of a job next year. I'm just like looking at quarterbacks who are like out of a job now because we just see that there's there's this the prototype of that quick scrambler that we thought could get it done. Like, no, they can't.

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Josh
But a guy who has kind of a medium running ability with this like calmness and ability to still make reads when he's out there in like a full sprint. I mean, it's just a different he can see over the guy, you can see over the line, I don't know. He has good field vision. I don't know, it's like Tom, not Tom Brady.

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Josh
Excuse me, Peyton Manning, if he could move a little quicker and he still had that kind of field vision from all these different angles, I don't know, it just it made it feel like that era of quarterback that we thought was going to be. And we've been transitioning out of that as we get into new football, because in my opinion, Kyler Murray is not new football.

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Josh
He doesn't have that ability to scare you too often down the field. He's he's done it on those miraculous plays when he scrambles in the backfield for like two minutes somehow and then just launches a deep ball that ends up being something. But it's not the same as what we're seeing from Jayden Daniels.

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Josh
and what he did.

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Josh
I think the only thing that the the Lions can go home happy about, or Lions fans is that they saw like they can be like, well, I saw Michael Jordan's first win or something. You know, like they saw they're they're seeing the very beginning of something pretty special. But yeah we'll get into more like the the repercussions that this loss had on the Lions in the postmortem.

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Josh
But I think and we've already seen, Ben Johnson get hired out as a head coach, the Chicago Bears. We might talk about that a little bit later when we're talking about franchises, but, yeah, that we'll get more into to to where they're going to be, but we'll move on to the next game here.

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Josh
And if we're going in chronological order, we're going to the Rams losing a snowy

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Josh
game for the ages.

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Josh
In Philadelphia.

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Andy
That was amazing game I the ebbs and flows the Rams I don't know you can you can be proud as a fan. You know you say you don't tie too much to it, but they they competed like every team they played. And especially this game just showed down to the end when it seemed like, you know, yeah, Saquon had had over like 200 yards rushing and they still had a chance at the end.

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Andy
And I, I still come away thinking like, man, this these eagles seem like they're so good on paper, but they're also just seem so beatable, you know? And

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Andy
I, I think the Rams are probably proud of this season though, because they had I think they exceeded expectations as losing Donald. You know, not having a great start to the season.

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Andy
And yeah, I'd say they they can come out of this feeling okay.

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Josh
Oh yeah. Man. As a Rams fan I feel great looking at the future. And and I don't want to get it to in the future that much because I want to talk about this game because when I was watching that game like to me it was one where, you know, as a half time. So the first half of the game, it's cold and there's that little bit of light rain, almost snow, and then by half time it's huge flakes.

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Josh
By the fourth quarter it's completely covered in snow. I could just hear rest in peace, John Facenda, the great NFL voice. I think we've talked about him on the past when we've talked about great NFL announcers and announcing duos that we've loved, but he was the voice of all those incredible NFL films, documentaries and and, you know, I think he did Olympics and things like that where he just had this way about him where, you know, it's like.

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Josh
And the snow falls and giants clash

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Speaker 3
It was a game. A handful of spectators came to see a tug of war. 22 nameless men grappling in the mud.

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Josh
yeah, it was just such a great

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Josh
it was just a thrill. I mean, just complete back and forth, whether it was defensive excitement and plays and never once.

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Josh
and I held my breath for it. Did the refs really get involved in a way they shouldn't have, or did some other factor come take away from the like? It. It was almost kind of unfortunate that I felt tainted from a game like the Chiefs game in that sense that like, I almost felt like a couple of times where I'm like, where it's about to be, whether it was Rams or Eagles.

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Josh
I'm just like, man, you don't really want to see it. And it's like, no, this is this is playoffs. This is what we're here for. This is what we're here for. And even in a loss, I mean somebody's got to lose the game. And it's it was one of the most incredible games that I've ever seen. And I said this before the game, I don't know if I texted this into one of our group chats that you and I are in or not, but I said that there are only two.

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Josh
There are only three quarterbacks that I would want in that fourth quarter situation that Matt Stafford was in. Down by six, needing to drive the length of the field in the snow. All these every in Philly. All these things in fact coming against you there's only three guys that I'd want in that situation. Stafford's one of them. Mahomes is the other in Tom Brady's the other.

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Andy
I think you can add some other names to that list. I, I don't I don't think Stafford is like an all time top three clutch quarterback. And he is great at like at the comebacks. I don't I don't want to get too deep into that. But I would feel pretty good about having like just current quarterbacks. I feel pretty good about having Lamar or Josh Allen or Joe Burrow.

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Andy
I would, they, or Jayden Daniels.

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Josh
I've watched guys who have done it before in that situation. You want someone who's been in it before. And remember when you just said that the Texans kneel down that ball at the end of the game? You know what I mean? They had to plow Stafford into the fucking dirt to get him to finish trying. You know what I mean?

00;24;38;03 - 00;24;54;17
Josh
Like it's just that's that's the you know I don't know like there's guys where you've seen where Anthony Richardson he got tired on that third down. The infamous third down where he got tired and he stepped off the field. I mean that's where it's like when guys haven't done it. They haven't won before. I've seen Stafford in that situation.

00;24;54;17 - 00;25;16;04
Josh
We were down in the Super Bowl against the bangles. People love to forget that going into the fourth quarter we had to go down and score. Everyone in the world knew what was going to happen and he still got it done. That's how it felt about, you know, that's how it felt. And when after the Rams got scored on Stafford doesn't he's not on the fucking defense.

00;25;16;05 - 00;25;40;11
Josh
There's nothing he can do about that. Now they're down fucking two touchdowns. But he came out there and he he struck so hard so quick. There's just not many guys whatever clutch I don't care. There's all these stupid statistics. When you talk about passing the eye test that performance to me is one of the times where Stafford it just passes the eye test where I say I've seen Mahomes do it, I've seen Tom Brady do it.

00;25;40;16 - 00;25;47;29
Josh
I've seen Stafford do it. Those are the guys that I'm just saying I would pick. I'm not looking at stats here. Just I test from what I've seen.

00;25;48;01 - 00;25;56;01
Andy
Yeah. Now it might be recency a little bit. Because yeah he's won one Super Bowl. But.

00;25;56;01 - 00;26;01;04
Andy
I don't know I don't want to I don't want to. We're not going to get it. He's a tough player okay okay.

00;26;01;07 - 00;26;04;21
Josh
We're not here to shit on Stafford and we'll see him next year. But.

00;26;04;21 - 00;26;31;23
Andy
There is there's something pure about that. You're talking about. The snow playoff game like that is playoff football a snow game kind of you could say reminiscent of like those big snow playoff games, a pass like you think of the Patriots, beating the Raiders, those kind of ones where they're shoveling off with their hands. Snow. Just a way the kicker can can plant his foot.

00;26;31;26 - 00;26;35;12
Andy
That's amazing. And just pure football there.

00;26;35;14 - 00;26;51;20
Josh
Yeah pure football. Happy that it was the Rams that were in it. But if not if that was just two random teams that I was watching play. If that was a middle school fucking peewee football game that was happening out. I mean, that was just fun to watch. As far as the Eagles go, their fans do suck.

00;26;51;23 - 00;27;15;02
Josh
And I've said this before on the show, when the Chiefs and the excuse me, Eagles last played in the Super Bowl and they came down here and I went to the Super Bowl. Guy Fieri pre-party. And interacted with a ton of fans. The Eagles fans were just pompous. They just they just it seriously, the way they acted, they acted like the Super Bowl was just another game.

00;27;15;04 - 00;27;34;28
Josh
Chiefs fans, as in this. Granted, this is now back in 2022. A lot has changed in Chiefs Kingdom over that those the you know a couple of years this was still back in the time when I used to say chiefs had the ugly as fans like, but they were like home bred hokey like these people were really there for the team.

00;27;34;28 - 00;27;55;13
Josh
I think there's a lot that's changed about the Chiefs since then, but, the Eagles fans sucked in and you know, we all saw that Eagles fan who or whatever who lost his job for the way that he was treating that Packers fan like. And it's like are they really defending that like Nick Sirianni can't even fucking stand Eagles fans.

00;27;55;13 - 00;28;07;22
Josh
It's like, no, you you definitely are like one of the most, you know, just not even hated because hated would be too, too much. There's too much competition in that. Like you're just obnoxious.

00;28;07;22 - 00;28;24;28
Andy
They are, they're the worst. Truly. Saw some things they said to the guys on the bus, and I think that'll play into our later conversation about create franchises, because, you need great fans for that, and they don't have that cool.

00;28;25;01 - 00;28;39;16
Josh
Okay. Next game Ravens. Oh, and this one is extremely, extremely disappointing as well from the Ravens perspective. So I'm that's not even here. I guess maybe he's not like he's not either. He's not one of those guys you fucking identify so deeply. He's just got the night off.

00;28;39;16 - 00;28;42;11
Josh
But yeah Ravens come up short against the bills.

00;28;42;18 - 00;28;54;19
Josh
I think most people are happy to see the bills go up against the Chiefs, but I think most people would be happy to see the Ravens go up against the Chiefs. You know, from that perspective. But the big disappointment definitely just comes from that.

00;28;54;19 - 00;28;55;17
Josh
You know, the

00;28;55;17 - 00;29;07;26
Josh
Ravens falling a little bit short. It literally being in their grasp and falling out with incomplete pass on the two point conversion down, you know, down to with seconds remaining in the game.

00;29;08;02 - 00;29;42;27
Andy
Yeah I big fumble by Mark Andrews and the biggest drop you'll ever see. Look, I swear I saw that replay 20 times. I keep trying to make excuses. You know, he kind of was like falling over, but, he's going to catch that so many times. And, that reminded me it was better football. Still kind of a, slower game, but that did remind me of that first game where the Ravens just were moving the ball better.

00;29;42;27 - 00;30;02;17
Andy
They had the chunk plays. But, the difference in that one was clearly just was clearly turnovers. Not the refs. Thankfully. And yeah, you feel like one team, one team or net the other team

00;30;02;21 - 00;30;22;16
Josh
Yeah, exactly. Dropped the fucking ball right at the end of the game, when we were all hoping for 15 more minutes of football or whatever, you know, another a thrilling end to that game with teams being able to reset and fire. I mean, it just felt like just the way that that drive went, it just felt like it was absolutely inevitable that they were going to get the two point conversion.

00;30;22;23 - 00;30;30;22
Josh
The one thing I will say is that I felt like and we saw him do it, they I know going into that they were one and four.

00;30;30;22 - 00;30;57;16
Josh
I think throughout the season. One successful, four failed two point conversion attempts, the last two point conversion attempt that they had the successful one was this Lamar Jackson run. And he it was a similar situation where he he flashed to the outside and he had someone out that he was and he was supposed to pass the ball on the play that he but he didn't he just he took it and he did like that fucking Notre Dame quarterback.

00;30;57;16 - 00;31;16;09
Josh
And just like beast mode and himself like into the end zone and got the two point conversion himself. And I specifically remember talking with Matt on an episode of the show, and we praised that play and, and, and I and I talked about it was like, those are the difference making plays where that's what makes Lamar Jackson great.

00;31;16;11 - 00;31;35;11
Josh
That's what you want to see in the playoffs. I don't know. You know you can't say what if blah blah blah. You know the play was the play to throw to Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews dropped the ball. But yeah we'll leave it at that because we're going to talk more now about the bills here in our next discussion, which is about the AFC Championship game, which is the next, you know, upcoming matchup here.

00;31;35;11 - 00;32;08;20
Josh
Chiefs versus bills. We've already talked enough about why the Chiefs we are potentially going to be rooting against them and and what's going on with them. Let's just talk about these guys competitively for a moment. Regular season Josh Allen handles Mahomes four and one playoffs. Mahomes is three. You know is this the the Cinderella story year. Is this a Cinderella story like from the bills perspective here like are I mean are you I know you were hoping that the Chiefs come in and play dramatic football and have a great game.

00;32;08;20 - 00;32;18;17
Josh
But it's like at the same time, wouldn't it be great if that they played that regular football and the bills came in and smacked them in dramatic fashion?

00;32;18;19 - 00;32;46;08
Andy
That would be fantastic. I look at all these fan. I look at all these factors going into the game. Why might might be a question why don't the AFC teams play on the same day and get the same amount of rest? So like the the Chiefs have, I think 27 hours more rest than the bills. It's not a huge thing, but it's something I don't love that.

00;32;47;10 - 00;32;50;08
Andy
I do think this bills team

00;32;50;08 - 00;33;03;26
Andy
just does match up better the than the Ravens team would have. Because they don't need to run the ball to,

00;33;03;26 - 00;33;22;06
Andy
To really assert their dominance. They can Josh Allen can spread it around and I, I just have this feeling of dread, though, I would not bet against the Chiefs in this game at home with the extra rest.

00;33;22;08 - 00;33;30;07
Andy
You know, I as a as a betting man, I, I don't have to use that hypothetical. I am a betting man and I, chiefs moneyline.

00;33;31;11 - 00;33;53;14
Josh
Yeah. Man, I, I don't I haven't even had a chance to, like, fully process how I feel about this, besides just that glaring number of Mahomes three zero against Josh Allen in the playoffs. And just the fact that we've seen the way that the Chiefs are being lifted into this position. So I don't know. I don't want to make an official pick.

00;33;53;22 - 00;34;17;16
Josh
But I'm going to and I think that the Chiefs are going to win the game. I think that the Chiefs are going to win the game. I'm not meriting it to anything like, oh yeah, Chiefs are better at Ax. They're not. It's just the way it's going to go. Real quick here. And I guess actually no, we're going to take a little break first and then we're going to come back and talk about the NFC Championship game.

00;34;17;16 - 00;34;38;26
Josh
So we'll we'll do the NFC Championship game. When we come back. We'll also talk about what we think our ideal Super Bowl matchup will be, whether we're going to get that or not. And then we'll talk about how to root from this point on because, I mean, you and I know our teams aren't in. And then we'll be getting to our top franchises discussion

00;34;38;26 - 00;34;44;23
Josh
all that, Andy, right after the break.

00;34;44;23 - 00;34;52;17
Unknown
Expect.

00;34;52;17 - 00;35;16;05
Josh
All right, welcome back to the show. This is your host Josh, joined by Andy. We're here to finish up that discussion on Championship weekend. I know we might have flown through the AFC Championship a little bit there leading up to the break. I just I was becoming parched. I needed a drink. But, Andy, is there anything more you want to say before we move on to NFC Championship game to wrap up AFC?

00;35;16;05 - 00;35;32;01
Josh
I know, it's like I just felt like we've talked enough about the fucking excuse me fucking Chiefs. And we'll kind of get more into what we're what we want to see in our ideal matchup. But I'll give you any more parting words if you want on the AFC.

00;35;32;03 - 00;35;36;01
Andy
I think whatever happens, it's going to be a classic game.

00;35;36;03 - 00;35;37;10
Josh
I hope so.

00;35;37;10 - 00;35;51;28
Josh
And they always are between Allen and Mahomes. So we can look forward to that. Hopefully, regardless of what Mahomes has been doing during this season, like you said, hopefully the Chiefs just fucking unleash him so we can have a great game. But the NFC Championship game, I think we're in for a good one.

00;35;51;29 - 00;36;11;17
Josh
I think we're in for I just think that the way that, Jayden Daniels is playing, he's what you know, Jalen Hurts was supposed to be it's going to be a thriller of a game. I don't know how well either one of these teams matches up with the teams coming out of the AFC. But that's that's a little bit later on.

00;36;11;17 - 00;36;14;03
Josh
Let's talk about what we think is going to happen here on the field.

00;36;14;03 - 00;36;25;20
Josh
You said earlier when you were watching the Rams and Eagles game that the the Eagles looked beatable, I think I think the Eagles looking beatable is incredible for the commanders.

00;36;25;28 - 00;37;02;14
Andy
I do too like they are. If you take any team to come back and win they're one of those. They're one of those teams. Because they of course Jayden Daniels that the offense just never stops. They can he can just keep drives going. I like the commanders in this game. If they're, you know, if they're getting points, especially and I just I just have this feeling maybe I just have a huge bias against the Eagles because the fans and,

00;37;02;14 - 00;37;06;14
Andy
I just don't like this Eagles team for whatever reason.

00;37;06;19 - 00;37;10;03
Andy
I don't see them going all the way.

00;37;10;06 - 00;37;23;26
Josh
I sort of have I in, in, in the most intangible sense. I just I kind of understand what you're saying about the on field team. I'm not I'm not associated the fan base with this particular statement here, but just the on field team. It's like

00;37;23;26 - 00;37;29;03
Josh
it felt almost that way about the Ravens with Derrick Henry to to an extent.

00;37;29;05 - 00;37;34;14
Josh
And this part of the reason why I picked the bills to beat them was there's just this

00;37;34;14 - 00;37;43;05
Josh
it's like, I don't know what it is. It's like the there's just this. So, you know, the weak point.

00;37;43;05 - 00;37;45;22
Josh
Is small, but if you hit it,

00;37;45;22 - 00;37;49;15
Josh
it's game over for them. You know, like, it's just they're they're right on the edge.

00;37;49;15 - 00;37;56;12
Josh
If, you know, if Saquon doesn't have 200 yards and two touchdowns, you know, or things don't just go just the Eagles way.

00;37;56;12 - 00;38;09;00
Josh
You know they can be beat. They had a great season and they are a great football team. And it's that's why it's hard to say. It's like it's I don't want to say they're bad because it's like when I look at a team like the Browns or something, it's like, okay, well you can expose them.

00;38;09;06 - 00;38;32;17
Josh
Like there isn't like their weak point can just be exposed. It's not necessarily as easy to expose the Eagles weak point, but it's like if it does, if you get that opportunity, you see that opportunity to get that blow in. Like you can take them out in kind of like one blow. The Rams almost had a chance. You know if they didn't if things didn't shake out the way they did, they really could have come back and won that game.

00;38;32;22 - 00;38;34;03
Josh
And with

00;38;34;03 - 00;38;43;15
Josh
with the commanders I want to pick them two in the game. But I almost think that the more people that pick the Eagles, the better chance the commanders have of winning.

00;38;43;20 - 00;38;47;04
Andy
Yeah, yeah. The the the nobody believes in this team.

00;38;47;10 - 00;38;54;12
Josh
Yeah. It's like I need to not be Billy. And it's like okay, well it's like I love Jayden Daniels the way he played. But it's like at some point

00;38;54;12 - 00;38;56;03
Josh
even with Dan Marino

00;38;56;03 - 00;39;06;06
Josh
the rookie Super Bowl dream dies or whatever. You know, this, the rookie taken you to to the promised land. The dream dies at some point.

00;39;06;06 - 00;39;13;15
Josh
Yeah. Everyone wakes up from that dream at some point, and they're fucking running out of time to do it.

00;39;13;22 - 00;39;21;27
Andy
Yes, I, I, I think you're right about that. You look at these teams purely on paper to,

00;39;21;27 - 00;39;41;00
Andy
you would you'd be a fool to pick against the Eagles, I think as far as, like, their defensive rating or offensive rating, how they played all year, every time seems like every time hurts is healthy. They, they pretty much get it done.

00;39;41;04 - 00;39;55;11
Andy
I just, I think I just want to that I'm not ready to give up on that magic of the, of their rookie quarterback. Just the story of it is, is so fun with, with Jayden Daniels and,

00;39;55;11 - 00;39;59;03
Andy
I'm rooting for them and I would I never would pick them to.

00;39;59;03 - 00;40;11;11
Josh
All right. So I guess this doesn't necessarily have to align with your just like, you know, quote unquote game picks that you just made. But what what would you say? Is your ideal

00;40;11;11 - 00;40;14;20
Josh
Super Bowl matchup. Is it

00;40;14;20 - 00;40;23;18
Josh
that opportunity of the true David versus Goliath with the rookie team coming out of the NFC with the commanders taking on the Chiefs?

00;40;23;21 - 00;40;39;12
Josh
You know, or is it the rookie taken on the team that's never won it before in the bills. Is it the Chiefs Eagles rematch. You know what what what do you see as an ideal matchup and an ideal I guess outcome.

00;40;39;18 - 00;40;49;27
Andy
I think the David and Goliath would be awesome. And you know David taken that sling he has. And right in the forehead of Mahomes.

00;40;50;00 - 00;41;03;17
Josh
Kelce right in the throat I'm telling you he's got to get he's got to hit him in the throat because he's got to knock that frog out. Dude. He's got to knock that frog out of the because they'll hit him right. You'll sling it right in his throat and then we'll see a fucking frog jump out. It turns helmet.

00;41;03;21 - 00;41;08;03
Andy
He'll start losing commercial deals if he doesn't have that distinct voice.

00;41;08;03 - 00;41;19;00
Josh
But until all of his kids are starting to talk like that, till he hears all his little Kermit the Frog kids running around his house, and he's like, yeah, that's how I saw my dad drop and catch up.

00;41;19;02 - 00;41;27;19
Andy
Catch out? Yeah. Oh, God. Okay. How much catch up they do. They have a piece of white furniture in that house. I doubt it.

00;41;27;21 - 00;41;29;17
Josh
Because I can't.

00;41;29;19 - 00;41;44;27
Andy
He can't? Yeah. Not even a white rug, because that thing is getting doused in ketchup. And. Yeah, I just feel like that. I just feel like it'd be taken down. Goodell, too, even though he's not a part of the Chiefs.

00;41;44;27 - 00;41;59;09
Josh
Even though Goodell wins always. So it's like even no matter who loses or wins, Goodell wins. But yeah I see what you're saying when it's like it beats the narrative that it feels like the NFL wants to push.

00;41;59;11 - 00;42;12;21
Andy
Yeah, yeah. So that that would be my dream matchup with of course the commander's winning. They you know falling to to a rookie quarterback would be great. What's yours. What's your dream matchup.

00;42;12;26 - 00;42;14;19
Josh
Well you know it it

00;42;14;19 - 00;42;24;29
Josh
you know with what we have left because I'll say the the my real dream matchups got kind of really devastated in the last round. But, from this point on,

00;42;24;29 - 00;42;28;22
Josh
I wouldn't mind the Chiefs Eagles rematch

00;42;28;22 - 00;42;37;18
Josh
in that situation. I would even prefer the Chiefs to come out on top. As insane as that sounds, I, I, I would want to see what you said.

00;42;37;18 - 00;42;57;26
Josh
Like a great game. Not that game. Come down to the roughing the passer on the sideline call that Mahomes got in that Super Bowl against the Eagles. You know he he was running down the sideline. They and it was a very very tricky tack question. It was the beginning of the crazy where you're like did that just happen.

00;42;57;28 - 00;43;17;29
Josh
And that's culminated in this last weekend's game against the Texans where the two guys run into each other and then they call the flag against Mahomes. So it's like, you know, it's kind of that's where it began. So I, I would sort of like to see that kind of come full circle in the sense I don't. I am tired of seeing the Chiefs kind of play the same teams over and over again.

00;43;17;29 - 00;43;24;20
Josh
It feels like in the Super Bowl with the way they've matched up against 40 Niners, blah, blah, blah, just feels like, you know, okay,

00;43;24;20 - 00;43;39;00
Josh
I think it's obviously unfortunate that we won't be we can't get a Chiefs Bills Super Bowl because this it's a marquee matchup. Mahomes and Allen are two guys that and I know people that might take on the three guys that I would pick.

00;43;39;00 - 00;43;49;27
Josh
You know Stafford being one of them is is crazy. But yes Josh Allen Mahomes those are two of the greatest guys doing it right now. And it's great to watch them go against each other. But

00;43;49;27 - 00;43;51;05
Josh
yeah I, I,

00;43;51;05 - 00;44;05;28
Josh
I'm going to go with what you said though. The David versus Goliath. It'd be pretty fucking crazy to see, Jayden Daniels as a rookie quarterback going all the way to the Super Bowl and having an opportunity to dethrone one of the greatest dynasties in NFL history.

00;44;06;00 - 00;44;16;06
Josh
I won't say greatest franchises yet. We'll be talking more specifically about that. But their dynasty is up there with one of the most incredible runs. And if it's a three peat, it it's sort of, you know, then stands alone.

00;44;16;12 - 00;44;25;06
Andy
That's hard to argue. Yeah. When you look at Mahomes record, he's he's been a starter six years and he's just as likely

00;44;25;06 - 00;44;29;28
Andy
in the last six years to win the Super Bowl as he is, did not win the Super Bowl.

00;44;29;28 - 00;44;32;22
Andy
And if he puts that over 50%,

00;44;32;22 - 00;44;38;11
Andy
I mean, Brady might have had a stretch like that, but not like to begin his career.

00;44;38;17 - 00;44;41;20
Andy
You know, insane, insane stuff.

00;44;41;22 - 00;44;48;07
Josh
Insane fucking stuff, dude. And that's going to lead us into this next discussion that we want to have. And this is not

00;44;48;07 - 00;44;49;13
Josh
a power top five

00;44;49;13 - 00;44;57;05
Josh
for power top five to do. It's not okay because we're going to be talking. I don't even want to pare this down, because I want this to be a little bit more of a free flowing discussion.

00;44;57;05 - 00;45;00;08
Josh
We'll be doing some more power top fives for the fans who missed that. But,

00;45;00;08 - 00;45;22;05
Josh
yes, this is just going to be kind of a free flowing discussion here about the top NFL franchises, what it means to be a fan in a sense, how to root for teams. It just I kind of want to have this sort of discussion about what makes us fans.

00;45;22;07 - 00;45;47;05
Josh
And, you know, what what what do people categorize as success when you're coming from the fandom? Because like I said, there are those people at the top of the episode I mentioned. I'm not someone who identifies and with the triumph and, you know, just the defeat of what's experienced on the field with the team, you know, I completely understand that my world is separate and there's reasons why I root, but I don't, you know, discount that

00;45;47;05 - 00;45;48;01
Josh
sort of fandom.

00;45;48;01 - 00;45;53;22
Josh
And then there's the idea of like, well, I just root for the local teams, things like that. So we'll kind of get into everything right there.

00;45;53;22 - 00;46;06;29
Josh
And the first thing I want to talk about is, is how how in the current situation, I guess before we get to every franchise, do you root for a team when when there's four teams left, one of them is going to win the Super Bowl.

00;46;06;29 - 00;46;25;12
Josh
We love football. We're going to be watching for the rest of the season. How do we root? How do you root for a team? Do you just root for good football? Is it okay to, as every team gets eliminated, to just say that I'm jumping on a new team fucking wagon and just picking game by game? What's your thoughts there?

00;46;25;12 - 00;46;34;23
Andy
I mean, a lot of times it's your family forces you to like a team. And that's common.

00;46;34;23 - 00;46;45;12
Andy
I think it's it's kind of a read. I think when you pick the team at the time, it's kind of a reflection of your, like, your personality before you.

00;46;45;12 - 00;47;06;12
Josh
Get into the whole team, though, just for the remaining four teams, like now if you have to pick a team, oh, the Super Bowl, like just this current run of the playoffs. Before we get into why you like pick your team, I see how do we root now as fans going forward. Like obviously you you can do things like hate the Chiefs because no one wants to see a three peat.

00;47;06;12 - 00;47;20;00
Josh
Or you can root for the bills because they've never won it before or root for the rookie. Or do you just root for the best football? I mean, how do you feel about that? Like what's the how do you categorize those or order those?

00;47;20;06 - 00;47;22;20
Andy
Oh, I see,

00;47;22;20 - 00;47;41;11
Andy
There are some loyalists that will always tie it back to their own team and whose make it like, oh, I'm, I'm rooting for the for the Eagles because, they would be the Chiefs and I'm a Raiders fan and I hate the Chiefs that kind of thing.

00;47;41;11 - 00;47;45;01
Andy
I like to have a little bit more fun with it personally.

00;47;45;04 - 00;47;50;28
Andy
I just want to see the outcome that.

00;47;50;28 - 00;48;36;03
Andy
Is probably the best combination of a story and on field football. And so I think you got a you got to root for the teams that are that are fun. I think, personally, like, and this isn't just like, oh, they, you know, they throw the ball all the time or they score a lot of points like the Lions are an example of, of a fun team because they have a very charismatic coach and a guy who can just, you know, he's just two bodies, like what it's like to be like,

00;48;36;07 - 00;48;41;16
Andy
I don't know what it's like to to play football, you know, we're going to do this, we're going to get it done. And,

00;48;41;16 - 00;48;51;14
Andy
And so for me, it's it's just whatever your, your suit, your personality and God help anyone that where the Chiefs suit their personality.

00;48;51;17 - 00;49;07;22
Josh
Yeah. I think if you're deciding to root for the Chiefs at this point, you're just one of the people that wants to watch the world burn, and that's what you enjoy. So it's like you're just gladly, happily wanting to watch the Chiefs and the Chiefs and not only the Chiefs. You want the referees to get a Super Bowl ring this year.

00;49;07;22 - 00;49;12;10
Josh
You're like, you want the referees to be on the biggest stage they've ever been on. So,

00;49;12;10 - 00;49;27;07
Josh
yeah, dude, that was great insight. Actually. That was perfect I love that. We'll leave that there. And I will actually let you get into this now because, more so in general, what makes you root, for a franchise?

00;49;27;07 - 00;49;33;03
Josh
And you were talking about family. You're talking about, you know, other things continue.

00;49;33;12 - 00;50;04;09
Andy
Yeah, I think I think it probably starts with most people for family. Like, yeah, my mom or my dad forced me to be a a bears fan. I see a lot of that around. Shout out to Sloan's, and I. And now I'm gonna be miserable and and suck it up and be loyal to them. The being close to the team and being able to go to their games cannot be underestimated.

00;50;04;15 - 00;50;05;13
Andy
I you've.

00;50;05;13 - 00;50;09;08
Josh
Almost been drawn into the Broncos fandom, haven't you? A couple times.

00;50;09;08 - 00;50;12;23
Andy
To Denver recently. And.

00;50;12;23 - 00;50;17;05
Andy
I go to a Broncos game once a year, and I'm sad to say

00;50;17;05 - 00;50;27;04
Andy
they're on the TV like more than I would like them to be. And I'm kind of like, oh, that'd be nice if they won, you know, because they made the playoffs because I hated the Broncos growing up.

00;50;27;04 - 00;50;30;08
Andy
So I and and of course.

00;50;30;13 - 00;50;38;00
Andy
It's just good to root against certain teams. In my opinion. Sometimes you find your team by rooting

00;50;38;00 - 00;50;40;01
Andy
against certain teams.

00;50;40;09 - 00;50;54;03
Josh
Yeah, yeah, dude, I get that. And what you said about the Broncos did the same thing with me and the Cardinals being down here in Phoenix and yeah, fuck dude. I go to way more than one Cardinals game a year. I did obscene but

00;50;54;03 - 00;51;01;25
Josh
yeah proximity. That's one thing obviously legacy. You know that I think ties into family that ties into

00;51;01;25 - 00;51;09;26
Josh
you know, that idea you're talking about of rooting against certain teams and then being forced to root for a team just by virtue of teams that you might hate?

00;51;09;28 - 00;51;29;16
Josh
There's of course, I think the prowess factor is hard to step away from. Of the old of these guys were good when I was a kid that like being a kid and just there being a team that's in the Zeit Geist and then later on your life just finding that that has become your team. You know, I kind of understand that.

00;51;29;18 - 00;51;38;29
Josh
And then as we get here, I guess, into some of the more intangibles, and we're gonna have a bunch of stats here later on. But this is just some of the more intangibles I want to talk about here.

00;51;38;29 - 00;51;48;25
Josh
I put it in the category of sort of marketing talent. And my thoughts. There are one thing, you know is going to be players.

00;51;48;27 - 00;52;01;00
Josh
If a particular player, or especially in this generation as the brands, players, brands are started earlier and earlier and earlier and you're following guys from team to team to team.

00;52;01;00 - 00;52;10;29
Josh
You know, you might settle on, you know, there's people that maybe were big, huge Joe Burrow fans when he was in college, all the way through LSU.

00;52;11;02 - 00;52;28;22
Josh
You know, and then when he gets to the Bengals, they just kind of continued. And maybe they weren't huge NFL fans or weren't thinking any other way. But now they're big Bengals fans because Joe Burrow brought them to the team. And then and then marketing in the sense of another team like the Bengals, in the sense it's like, I like Tigers and they're the Tiger team.

00;52;28;22 - 00;52;45;28
Josh
You know, sometimes it can be as simple as that. That draws you to a particular fandom, especially if you're picking a new sport. This doesn't always happen in the NFL. And people might think that this sounds ridiculous. It's like, well, think about as you, you know, are exposed to new sports or things later in life, or you're actually choosing teams.

00;52;45;28 - 00;53;07;03
Josh
You know, there's things that there's other factors that might come into it. And then, you know, the pop culture aspect, I don't think can be taken out of it for some teams especially. And I would say the Chicago Bears are one of those, I would say teams like the Oakland Raiders. It's like they've had no on field success in recent memory.

00;53;07;05 - 00;53;27;29
Josh
But man, they're pushing jerseys. They're pushing t shirts, they're stickers. They're they're the cultural connotations of teams can also draw you to be in a particular fan base. So, I think that leaves us, I guess, with one more which is winning, you know, a team that's just winning. Sometimes people just fucking don't like. They just pick teams that are winning.

00;53;27;29 - 00;53;29;10
Josh
We see that all the time.

00;53;29;24 - 00;54;03;08
Andy
Yeah, we do see that all the time. Like there's so many. There's so many like Chiefs fan now and the the boom of like Warriors fans when it comes to NBA was incredible about I love what you said about pop culture because, there are teams were like like like the Raiders is a great example, where you, you could like pretty much guess like the personality of, of a of a guy or, or a gal based on them being Raiders fan, you know.

00;54;03;11 - 00;54;08;09
Josh
Yeah. I mean, for a gal especially because, you know, at first get her confused with a guy.

00;54;08;12 - 00;54;17;14
Andy
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why are you wearing shoulder pads? And but okay, so, so winning.

00;54;17;14 - 00;54;19;06
Andy
It's hard.

00;54;19;06 - 00;54;40;22
Andy
I think you probably see this in generations. If we really wanted to study it, like, there's probably some, like, really old Packers fans out there who are, like the first two Super Bowls or whatever they were Ares and, I think that plays into

00;54;40;22 - 00;54;44;19
Andy
a lot of those, a lot of the teams where we see their

00;54;44;19 - 00;54;46;12
Andy
like where they wear a ton of their gear.

00;54;46;12 - 00;54;47;07
Andy
I think it's

00;54;47;07 - 00;54;54;29
Andy
at when you're at your most impressionable, probably 10 to 20 years old. Yeah. That team was winning

00;54;54;29 - 00;54;57;04
Andy
and that

00;54;57;04 - 00;55;08;17
Andy
when you're when you're not in a big city, like, you know, I screw up growing up in Montana, you can't underestimate the huge impact that has.

00;55;08;19 - 00;55;13;04
Josh
Absolutely, man. That's the one of the main reasons why I'm a Rams fan.

00;55;13;04 - 00;55;15;06
Josh
You know just 99.

00;55;15;13 - 00;55;16;16
Andy
Yeah right.

00;55;16;19 - 00;55;34;04
Josh
It was you know just a miracle time in their history and a time a very impressionable time in my life. So it's like those two things ended up coinciding to the point where and you know, there's times where you do like I and I don't know why I'm,

00;55;34;04 - 00;55;38;24
Josh
I don't even remember this, but I, I remember for some reason in fifth grade, it was,

00;55;38;24 - 00;55;42;26
Josh
I don't know, it was the Patriots were playing in the Super Bowl.

00;55;43;00 - 00;56;05;16
Josh
It wasn't the bears. It was the Super Bowl before. At the time they played against the bears, did they play against the Ravens? Maybe. Panthers. Panthers. There we go. Panthers. That's right. Panthers. And they had just beaten the Rams like the year or two before. And I remember in my elementary school they had this big fuckin piece of paper on the wall.

00;56;05;19 - 00;56;18;12
Josh
And it was like the week before the Super Bowl. And we were all we were making a poll. We were learning how to make polls and like we were, you could go and you had like a piece of paper with a little tape on the back, and you could tape your name up

00;56;18;12 - 00;56;23;25
Josh
on one of the teams and just pick one of them for the who you thought was going to win the fucking Super Bowl.

00;56;23;27 - 00;56;40;22
Josh
And I just remember walking up there and just picking proudly as I could pick in the Patriots thing. They had just beaten the Rams like the year before. So, your loyalties fluctuate when you are that youthful. But I solidified later a little later in my fan fandom.

00;56;40;22 - 00;56;56;28
Andy
Well, I doubt that that's justified. There was like these Panthers. Yeah I'm sure a fifth grade Josh had to have the filthiest mouth on the playground. Just like, fuck these Panthers up taken the Patriots. You know.

00;56;57;00 - 00;57;19;03
Josh
Yeah. Well, and here's the other thing. When we're talking about a team like the Patriots and I want to take what. So we just talked about all these different reasons why you might become a fan. All the different reasons why a team might be considered good. You know, there's different reasons why you might consider a team good, cool, attractive, fun, fandom, all these different things, attractive, how attractive the fans are, which we will.

00;57;19;10 - 00;57;31;07
Josh
One day we are going to release our official rankings of all 32 NFL teams fandoms ranked by how attractive they are. Because I need to stop and just get it done. Because the fans hate every time I bring that up.

00;57;31;07 - 00;57;40;08
Josh
But yeah, what what are some of these great franchises? And I've compiled some stats and a group with the assistance of our new AI assistant,

00;57;40;08 - 00;57;41;01
Josh
Matt.

00;57;41;03 - 00;57;42;12
Josh
Matt.

00;57;42;12 - 00;57;46;10
Josh
We've we've compiled some stats and we're going to talk about what

00;57;46;10 - 00;58;00;26
Josh
franchises might be considered the best. I didn't want to make a power top five and ranked them, because there's all these different reasons that we talked about why teams might be the, you know, they might be attractive. So there might be a ton of different reasons why you might consider them the best.

00;58;00;26 - 00;58;04;29
Josh
When tried to pull up some stats to get some information to back this argument up, but

00;58;04;29 - 00;58;22;01
Josh
we've got teams like the Cowboys, which, you know, are a very highly valued team. We've got the recent dynasties, chiefs, Patriots. We have teams that have played in the playoffs. So you're always having a pretty good regular season, always getting to the dance whether you're winning those games or not.

00;58;22;02 - 00;58;23;07
Josh
We've got teams

00;58;23;07 - 00;58;41;21
Josh
are the lovable losers that fucking can't seem to get a damn thing done, but for some reason, they're fans. It's like, maybe they love self-flagellation or whatever. Like they want to be part of that fan base and that's exciting to them. And then you, as you said earlier, you can't discount the pop culture aspect.

00;58;41;21 - 00;58;50;00
Josh
And I kind of ranked it as like attitude. And there's certain teams that like they just dominate attitude. And it's like the, the, the

00;58;50;00 - 00;59;00;26
Josh
Raiders are one of them. The 40 Niners, you know, I mean there is a 40 niner fucking attitude among that fan base, like especially the localized 40 niner fan base in California.

00;59;00;26 - 00;59;06;01
Josh
So we're going to get started with 40 Niners, actually, because they are the most

00;59;06;01 - 00;59;07;16
Josh
winningest.

00;59;07;19 - 00;59;32;19
Josh
Somebody help me with my grammar, please, as I'm getting stupider as the show goes on. They're the most winningest playoff team. They've played a total of 62 playoff games in their history, winning 38, losing 24. So whether they how deep they go and what the playoff format has changed throughout time and all these things. So I don't we're not talking about Super Bowls, whatever.

00;59;32;19 - 00;59;48;15
Josh
We're just talking about overall. Like why you might consider them a great fan base or any particular team, not just the 40 niners, because I've got a list here of some of the other top teams. And this is just ranked by their playoff wins. So 40 niners up at 38. They're number one

00;59;48;15 - 00;59;52;16
Josh
Patriots. And this is not including 20 2425 playoff stats.

00;59;52;19 - 00;59;54;06
Josh
Sorry. We're not fucking just

00;59;54;06 - 01;00;06;13
Josh
Matt our new AI assistant Matt isn't that fucking smart. Number two team Patriots. They have 37 playoff wins. And we also didn't dictate through eras or any of that. This is just the eye test.

01;00;06;13 - 01;00;09;21
Josh
Packers 37, Cowboys 36.

01;00;09;21 - 01;00;17;21
Josh
Steelers 36. Eagles. Eagles 20. So top five are up there. 36 to 38 are all in the top five.

01;00;17;21 - 01;00;29;14
Josh
And then after that, it's like Eagles, Rams, Raiders, Chiefs, commanders are all around 25. So I think those top five teams kind of clearly separate themselves like in this category.

01;00;29;16 - 01;00;40;09
Andy
Yes, in this category. And I think, you know, if I was picking based on all categories, those teams would all at least get an honorable mention.

01;00;40;09 - 01;00;49;14
Andy
Yeah, it says a lot about them. I think, it speaks, great ownership. And just having you think of all these guys

01;00;49;14 - 01;00;56;04
Andy
they have, you can pick out 1 or 2 at least coaches who've been there long term.

01;00;56;07 - 01;00;59;29
Andy
And that doesn't happen without making the playoffs all the time.

01;00;59;29 - 01;01;05;10
Andy
of course, they've been around a long time. Very classic. That's just the classic top five.

01;01;05;10 - 01;01;07;15
Andy
You know Patriots aside possibly.

01;01;07;15 - 01;01;08;01
Josh
But

01;01;08;01 - 01;01;29;24
Josh
yeah yeah for sure for sure I mean there's some teams that you think are kind of woefully missing. The Giants is one of them. And the reason why you know there is because they're when you go down here a little bit further, we're looking at Super Bowls one. And in the top five teams there we've got the Steelers, Patriots, Niners, Cowboys, Giants who are in the top five in Super Bowls one.

01;01;29;24 - 01;01;51;28
Josh
So it's like they've had more of those just great years where they took it all the way to the top. Rather than having those consistency constantly keeping that fan base engaged, taking you on deep playoff runs, getting it done sometimes, but always being a factor, always being in the discussion, always having your jerseys, you know, being sold.

01;01;52;01 - 01;01;58;06
Josh
And that's where you get into a team like the Cowboys, where we talked about where it just comes down to straight up value.

01;01;58;06 - 01;02;10;02
Josh
You know, cowboys are valued at $10 billion. They're the most valuable sports franchise out there, period. There's some valuable, you know, football teams, some valuable basketball teams. They just don't compare.

01;02;10;02 - 01;02;14;23
Josh
And that can be one of those things that does have an impact on the culture.

01;02;15;00 - 01;02;18;29
Josh
Because you're seeing the jerseys. You're seeing this team out there. They're in the media.

01;02;18;29 - 01;02;21;22
Josh
And when you look at the top ten teams here,

01;02;21;22 - 01;02;32;18
Josh
all of these teams are worth more than $6 billion. You see teams like the Raiders, you see teams like the Eagles. You see teams. You know obviously those power top five teams that we just talked about earlier.

01;02;32;18 - 01;02;56;12
Josh
You see all them on there. But then you also see these fan base sort of dominated teams that aren't necessarily dominated by all on field prowess. And that's like the New York Jets, the Chicago Bears, who are invaluable franchises. They don't perform on the field. So that's where you're like, okay, it's got to be one of these other things attitude, marketing something because they're not fucking winning.

01;02;56;19 - 01;03;19;20
Andy
Yeah, I mean, all huge markets I think you would you could go up to probably about half the people wearing the gear of these teams with on these, top value listening to like who's the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. And they probably wouldn't know the answer. True. That's I think you see a lot of that in these ones.

01;03;19;20 - 01;03;37;27
Andy
the Dallas Cowboys had some, some great marketing campaign to be, you know, America's team because, you know, Dallas isn't like the, the biggest, markets of all these, somehow they, they really work themselves into the American

01;03;37;27 - 01;03;46;03
Andy
psyche, I guess. I don't know, and maybe that logo is just that. That star. Simple. Perfect.

01;03;46;08 - 01;03;51;16
Andy
I would I would buy the hat if, if it wasn't associated with the Dallas Cowboys.

01;03;51;22 - 01;04;15;23
Josh
Yeah, man. And another thing I think, too, is their rise to power was in sort of this, like, era when the NFL was exploding in popular culture. You know, and when you look at the teams that have the most, and it's like, it's like, dude, we can't take the Broncos out of that conversation. Like they might not for some reason be popping up, you know, as specifically having that high of a value.

01;04;15;23 - 01;04;16;09
Josh
I don't

01;04;16;09 - 01;04;27;06
Josh
yeah I don't see the Broncos on here. But it's like they also kind of had this meteoric rise which I think we will later. I think the Broncos are going to get more and more valuable, especially as they're playing right now.

01;04;27;06 - 01;04;31;15
Josh
you know, they've had eight they had eight Super Bowl appearances. The Cowboys had eight Super Bowl appearances.

01;04;31;15 - 01;04;51;18
Josh
A bunch of those happened in like the, you know, late 80s, early 90s in this time when the exposure of the football of the NFL was growing so much versus, you know, and the 40 niners included versus a team like the Steelers, you know, who had a lot of that success earlier on in the 70s. You know, before it was as big of a product.

01;04;51;18 - 01;05;12;27
Josh
So I think that has kind of a little bit of an effect on it, as well. Last thing I want to talk about here before we wrap up and get out of here, man, is going to be, first real quick. There is a decent list of teams that have never won the Super Bowl. But there are some teams that have actually never made it, and they don't appear on any of these top lists fucking anywhere.

01;05;12;28 - 01;05;37;14
Josh
When it comes to value, you know, anything. These guys who have never made it to the game Lions, Texans, Browns and Jags, they don't show up at the top of any of our stuff. They're at the bottom of all of those lists that we fucking, you know, statistically put up. Like even the teams that have had terrible success recently like the bears, for example, like they're still one of the most, you know, valuable franchises in the NFL.

01;05;37;14 - 01;06;00;09
Josh
So, there are some, some teams that are just hurting and some of those, like, those are the lovable losers because they still have fan bases, people that want to torture themselves year after year and be a Texans fan, be a Jags fan. And some of this has has to do with how new they are. You know. But lions and browns for example I mean they're they've been around losing for decades.

01;06;00;12 - 01;06;05;04
Andy
Well how many but how many I know one. How many Jax fans. You know.

01;06;05;09 - 01;06;06;17
Josh
One. One Jags.

01;06;06;17 - 01;06;07;17
Andy
Same one.

01;06;07;19 - 01;06;26;15
Josh
Yeah we know the same Jags fan. So it's like yeah. And it's like he knows he's the same Jags fan. He has like six different Twitter accounts. So everyone think you know he he tries to push the numbers up and south. But yeah it's you know that's a struggling fan base there. And listen I don't spend much time in Jacksonville and maybe the home games get rowdy for their team.

01;06;26;15 - 01;06;51;27
Josh
I haven't seen it yet but you know and when I look down here we have a list of attendance. And I wanted to talk more about this, but it's hard. It skews with the size of the stadiums and all that. Because really, on a week to week basis, most of the time outside of teams like Jacksonville and, teams like Carolina, like you're seeing the stadiums full for the most part, week to week.

01;06;51;27 - 01;06;59;03
Josh
And those are only on rare, rare occasions these days where there's any significant portion of the stadium that's not full. I mean,

01;06;59;03 - 01;07;10;03
Josh
attendance at this point in the NFL really just comes down to the size of your stadium. Like when you're looking at this list, Dallas is at the top. They have the biggest stadium. Bears are at the bottom, they have the smallest.

01;07;10;08 - 01;07;21;03
Josh
Everyone else falls within, you know, a 10,000 seat or person difference right there in the middle. So attendance, you know, when you talk about proximity when it comes to overall fandom

01;07;21;03 - 01;07;30;26
Josh
that's, you know, going to be more reflected in the value of the market rather than what's happening in attendance at the game. Because these games are filled with people.

01;07;30;28 - 01;07;37;14
Josh
Each one of those people has a phone making videos, sending pictures. I mean, the exposure they get every Sunday.

01;07;37;14 - 01;07;42;17
Josh
I mean, it's just it's hard to quantify for every team, for any team, for all of the teams.

01;07;42;21 - 01;07;54;29
Andy
Yeah, the machine of the NFL is incredible. Even someone at a Dolphins game or Jags game you know these these you don't think of procedures fan bases.

01;07;54;29 - 01;08;07;09
Andy
At the bottom the bears 58,000 at every home game 8 or 9 games a year. It's incredible. Like you said,

01;08;07;09 - 01;08;09;28
Andy
it is such a machine. And

01;08;10;01 - 01;08;26;11
Josh
It's fun to be a part of and even just as a fan. Yeah, it's fun to be. It's such a big thing. There's so much history at this point in the NFL. There's so much people like, talk like people want to say that there's this, you know, and there's so many different ways that you can look at these things.

01;08;26;11 - 01;08;42;21
Josh
Just like we mentioned in this discussion. I mean, you could get down to the statistics and analytics. You could do the eye test. You can just have fun talking to your friends. I mean, that's what really makes this so special and so fun to be, you know, a part of or associate or a fan of any of these franchises.

01;08;42;21 - 01;09;00;22
Josh
And, and what really makes it great is just, you know, the spirit of competition, you know, and just kind of the, the legacy of sports in that general, sense. So we will leave it there. Andy, we are running out of time. I really appreciate you stopping by for this episode. I had a ton of fun, man. Eventually we're going to get to

01;09;00;22 - 01;09;02;01
Josh
we're going to get to some politics.

01;09;02;01 - 01;09;15;28
Josh
We'll get to some new stories with you later, Andy, but I really appreciate you coming by and stopping by for sports. Make sure you guys continue to download the show. Send us in all your favorite moments from the first 100 episodes, and we

01;09;15;28 - 01;09;18;04
Josh
will see you on the next show.

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