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That Sober Glow ✨ Danielle on NYC Drinking Culture, Turning Multiple Day Ones into Lasting Sobriety & The Healing Power of Community

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In this episode of The Sober Butterfly Podcast, host Nadine is joined by Danielle, the founder of That Sober Glow and No Booze Crew, an inspiring virtual women's sober community. Danielle opens up about her journey with sobriety, beginning with her first drink at the age of 14 and the challenges that came with navigating  New York City drinking culture.

Danielle shares how multiple “day ones” have shaped her path to recovery, showing that it's okay to restart, regroup, and refocus on your sobriety as many times as it takes. She talks about the importance of healing, mental health, and finding a community of support along the way. Together, Nadine and Danielle dive deep into how sobriety is not just about quitting alcohol, but about building a life of strength, joy, and connection—especially within the vibrant NYC scene.

✨ Highlights ✨ 

  • Danielle’s journey from her first drink at 14 to navigating addiction in New York City.
  • The impact of trauma and anxiety on drinking habits and how recovery begins with self-compassion.
  • The challenges of city drinking culture and the importance of community support in sobriety.
  • Founding the No Booze Crew, a virtual space for women to connect, share, and support each other.
  • A fun rapid-fire segment on favorite sober drinks, NYC memories, and travel dreams.

If you’ve ever had a “day one” or are currently navigating your own sobriety journey, this episode is for you! Tune in for an honest and uplifting conversation that’ll remind you that every step counts. 

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the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Hello, hello, and welcome to The Sober Butterfly. I'm Nadine Mulvina, and today we are joined with a very special guest. We have Danielle with us from that Sober Glow and no Booze Crew, which is a free sober women's community providing peer support. Danielle, welcome to the show. I'm so excited to get into it with you today. How are you?

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Hi I'm so happy to be here and talk to you today. I'm doing great. It's like a beautiful spring Saturday.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Thank you for joining me today and I feel like we have so much in common. So we've been Instagram friends for quite a while and I've been following all of your inspiring posts and I love what you share just around how you can live your best life without alcohol. And I also try to do that with the sober butterfly, so we have that in common. But also your early drinking days and having your first drink at 14 and then moving to New York in your twenties. My story as well, like I had my first sip of alcohol around 13, 14 and moved to New York in my twenties, and I found that city life really fueled my drinking before getting sober. So I would love to jump in with your story. How did alcohol become a part of your life?

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah, so I had my first drink at 14 from the moment I found that drink, it was like a breath of fresh air for me because at the time I was super shy, a little bit introverted. I was, you know, straight a student, did all of the right things. So it was a little bit of a pivot for me to find alcohol. But once I found it, it felt like a game changer for me in terms of my social anxiety and things like that. I would say I drank pretty normally because around that age, you know, everybody's binge drinking, everybody's playing, drinking games, acting silly. Then I went to college and kind of same thing, but I always in the back of my head, knew there was this little voice being like. we need more or, I was always like, at last call, I was always closing down the bars. So there was always something that was kind of telling me my drinking was a bit different. But I was able to, for all of that time, like my teens and early twenties, rationalize it as like, oh, this is a phase. I'm sure I'll grow out of it once I, you know, find a boyfriend, get. Serious, settle down. So I was able to kind of play it off for a really long time. And then, like you said, after college, I moved to the city a couple years later and it was just like game over. Like every single night you could find something to do, someone to go out with a happy hour. Tons of things to do in the city, and I just found that to be really exciting, honestly, at the time. But also very detrimental because I was, you know, drinking and showing up to work really hung over, or maybe not showing up at all or showing up late. So, you know, it was a little bit tricky for me. But I also got sober in the city, so I know there's a ton of great sobriety there. But yeah, the drinking culture in New York City is like really tough, especially if you're someone who likes to drink and is trying to rationalize your drinking.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

I am

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

So,

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Rick. Over here. I'm like, yes, yes. Check, check. Yeah. It's so fascinating when you move to NYC, especially coming out of college, as you mentioned, being in spaces or ecosystems where it's very normal to binge drink. I think to

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

like I also, when I moved to New York in my twenties, I thought like, this is a rite of passage almost. this is normal. This is what you're supposed to be doing, living in a big city and one day. I will get it together, I will stop. But that day, you know, I didn't outgrow it is the point I'm making. Like I wasn't able to just, you know, stop or moderate or be a normal quote drinker. And there's something specific that I think about being. A place like, like New York in terms of the nightlife and just all of the things that you can do.

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

it is fun. Like I definitely had a lot of fun. If it weren't fun, I probably wouldn't have done it for so long. But then it came to a head

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

right, where I was just obviously like, this is not sustainable. And so I would love to hear from you, what was it specifically, I guess, about New York City? Was it just this idea that you were young and in the city? Or were there parts of. That really fueled your drinking.

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah, I think you said it perfectly. It's sort of like when I was in New York, yes, there were fun parts, but it was also like immersed in everything. Like you go to a yoga class and they're like, here's champagne. You go shopping. And they're like, oh, would you like a glass of champagne while you look, while you browse? And that was something I wasn't really used to. Just when you're, you know, when you're young, people don't. Offer you that. So as a young adult, I was like, this is amazing. And it was just everywhere. I mean, even in my office, we had alcohol and beer in the fridge and sometimes we would pour wine right at five o'clock in the office, which was like super foreign to me. And just there were no guardrails for me at that time, and I just didn't realize that I needed those. So I think. Being someone who loved to drink, it was like, amazing. Let's do this. Where, when I was, I was actually in Pennsylvania for a few years prior to moving to New York, so I had a little bit of a taste of like normal suburban life and that would be unheard of. There was no way alcohol was not permitted on the premises. We had happy hours like once. Every six months it feels like. So it was just a totally different world in the city and just very appealing for someone in their twenties who's like ready to party. And yeah, I felt like I was living the best life, but honestly it was like so, so dark. After the partying ended and I was hung over or I was like dealing with the aftermath and the consequences.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

I, I agree with that. And I think specific to moving from a suburban area, like I moved from Florida to New York

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

you know, I did party a lot in Florida, but it felt like I had a lot more protection being in the city. I felt like there were very dangerous. Parts because I was in a new place, first and foremost. Like if you move somewhere new, like you're not totally familiar with the landscape. But beyond that, like there were moments Danielle, where I like fell asleep on the MTA on the subway, you know, after going out for the night. Like things like that. Like literally IWI put myself in, beyond compromising situations to where anything could have happened to me. So I'm so glad that. worst things didn't happen to me. But yeah, it's just this idea that like you're in a place where so much can happen and like you really don't necessarily know the full extent of the danger that you're in when you're in it and when you're living that life. So I'd love to learn from you, Danielle. Did you experience quote like a rock bottom or was there like a turning point for you to where you were like, yeah, I, I need to do something different, like a change needs to be done.

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah. So I mean, I think for me, I had unfortunately a few rock bottoms. Like there were definitely moments where I think somebody else might have stopped drinking and said, okay, that's enough. And I just, I kept thinking like, this will be different. Something is gonna change. And you know, it's like that insanity where you're doing the same thing and thinking like, oh, well something's just gonna magically change. But there's something, you know, I'm not proud of it obviously, but there was I was always like, oh, well I don't drink in the mornings. I don't do this until I did. And there were times when I woke up so hungover, I just couldn't deal with the shame and the feelings that I was having. Like it just felt too big and too overwhelming that I did end up drinking in the morning. And I. You know, that was really like the breaking point. Like I was kind of like, what is going on with me? Like, I have a great job. I have, you know, this great life in New York City. Like, and I realized like it was unmanageable. I was not in control anymore, like the drinking was in control. And to your point about like the dangerous things, like I also had times like that where I would. See pictures on my phone of complete strangers on the subway and me like smiling with them or you know, unfortunately one time I fell asleep on a heating pole in my apartment and had like almost permanent burns on my arm. And so I do think in the city, especially being a bit young and maybe not realizing, like looking back as a 30 5-year-old, I cringe and I'm like, thank God I'm safe and I'm okay. And thank God worse things didn't happen. But yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. It's remarkable to think about all of the crazy things that I did that I thought, I think even at the time I knew it was problematic, but it's so easy to delude yourself in those moments. And I also can resonate with drinking like that threshold. That line is being pushed further and further back. The more you try to rationalize that this is okay, and like I would. Not consistently, but there are moments in my time, this is why I believe, like obviously there's a spectrum when it comes to alcohol use disorder, but

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

in my life where, yeah, I was drinking in the morning too. I would call it like hair of the

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Hmm.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

right? Like, oh, I'm so, so hungover, like I'm just gonna have a drink because yeah, I can't function. So yeah, it's just. Now insane to think how that was my everyday life. And to your point, my life was unmanageable as well. So what helped you, or what point did you realize like I'm going to either stop drinking or take a break from drinking or reframe my relationship with alcohol?

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah, I mean, I think there was a lot at the end. I mean, I think to your point, you can always kind of rationalize, like there were times when I woke up in the hospital and even the people at the hospital would be like, I think you just had a bad night. And I'm like, oh, it's actually so much more than that, but appreciate you trying to make me, you know, feel better. But at the end I was sort of out of options. Unfortunately for me, I knew it had gotten bad and I knew it was out of control. And so I was like, still in the, for some reason, some crazy reason. I was still in the mindset that I could figure it out on my own. I was like, oh, I'll just be sober. I'll just not drink for a week. I'm sure it's fine. And I couldn't really do that. And so finally I had some family and close friends, a roommate kind of intervene on me. So they scheduled an intervention and. Through that intervention, I was sort of told, you need to figure out a way to get help. And I was like, okay, fine, I'll, I'll go to counseling. I get it. Like I was very like half in at that point I was like, okay, like I'll do counseling. That sounds reasonable. And I was just not being honest with myself. I. And they were basically like, you need something a little bit more intense than that, because at that time I just was not functioning. And that, that idea sounded so terrifying to me. They wanted me to go away to a mental health facility and, detox and also go through rehab, and that sounded so scary to me. And so. Unrealistic that I actually drank that night just not wanting to be here anymore. and sorry to kind of make it dark, but that's, I literally was like life without alcohol or like admitting I need rehab and professional help is. Just not where I thought I'd seen my life going, and I, I just was like, this is, I, I can't do this. And so unfortunately for me, there wasn't really a choice at the very, very end. I ended up drinking so much that night that I was hospitalized. And then from the hospital, they basically told me, we can't really release you to, go home, you're a liability to yourself. It's unsafe. So from there, I did go to a 28 day rehab, and honestly, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Like I really, really needed that. Even though it was like I thought I was going to prison, I was like, this is terrifying. They're taking my phone. I'm gonna be sleeping next to a stranger who's an alcoholic. Mind you, like, I'm also an alcoholic, but. Yeah, it was the best thing that ever happened to me, so.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

hear that. That's beautiful. But you have perspective now and you recognize that that was the best thing, but as you're living that it feels like you're being confronted with the worst possible outcome. I'm curious to also understand a little bit more nuance. So obviously you recognize. at that time that your life was unmanageable, how did you feel when you were being confronted by friends and family and your roommate in that moment when they're saying to you, Danielle, like, we're concerned and we think you need help beyond just counseling. Like what was it specifically, that was happening in terms of like how you felt, but also like what was happening in terms of what your life looked like, that manageability piece, and I'm asking truly because. I thought I was doing such a good job of like holding it, quote air coding, holding it together and giving off

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

aura of being a girl that just liked to have a good time internally. I was dying. But I'm just wondering

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

like, were there glaring red flags or what were the glaring red flags that led people to say like, okay, no, Danielle, like, we need to get together and congregate as a, as a support for her to see that she needs help.

danielle_2_03-29-2025_114146:

I like, love to think back because it just reminds me like why I am sober. But at that time there were like two Danielles. There was like. The fake Danielle, where I was super bubbly. I presented like thriving social life on social media. I had a good job in the city. I was able to like, you know, have my own apartment with some roommates. But then what was really going on was I was doing, so terribly in terms of like the loneliness. Like I didn't wanna let anyone in. So I was really just at that time drinking a lot by myself and not really telling anyone. Of course people knew, like people that were actually around. You know, my roommate, my mom could tell just by how I was behaving and just how lost and how. Like hopeless I seemed but I was trying really hard to hide it and I was just such a disaster. Like mentally, I was spiritually broken. I was, you know, not showing up for commitments, like not financially stable. I was just in such a bad place. But then to answer your earlier question about how I received the information and the intervention, I was. Still in complete denial. Like even though all of the signs were there, like I'm so sure I was about to get fired at work, even though I had always been someone who was amazing on performance reviews. Not to brag, but I always wanted to check all of the boxes, and I always liked to be kind of like the. A student, if you will, and I was seriously so close to getting fired. All my credit cards were maxed out. I had no friends because I, I mean, I had friends, but I wouldn't open up to them. So I had like, I. You know, surface level party friends, and I was just so empty and alone. But I didn't believe it too. I was like, no, no, no. I can probably still fix this. I'm good. And that's why I say that treatment was the best thing for me because I really needed to be removed from my environment so I could see what was really going on.

the-sober-butterfly_2_03-29-2025_114146:

That's beautiful.

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the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Thank you for sharing that, Danielle. That's really powerful and beautiful. Just to connect to parts of your story there, like think the two versions that you had, like that split, you

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

I also felt like I was very much a perfectionist and wanted to portray version of self, like Nadine has it all together. Look at her. She's living with this best life in New York and blah, blah, blah. All the things, but. Like I mentioned before, like I was really suffering and I, I find that so many people's drinking what fuels it is something deep beneath the surface. And personally for me, I think a, a big part of it was grieving. Like unfortunately I lost my dad in college and I never really processed that death. That of my life really is where I saw a shift in my drinking from. crazy binge drinking college wild times to like now destructive. Like I am breaking down, I'm breaking windows. I am literally crying and fighting and doing all the things. that's when I started to turn to alcohol as a source of comfort and escapism. So I'm wondering from you, did you get to the root cause of what was driving your drinking? Were there any other things that of entered that? I guess motivation to drink or what were you turning to alcohol

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah. Well first of all, I'm so, I'm so sorry to hear about your dad. That must have been really tough. And to answer your,

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

you.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

your question about, you know, I think drinking is just like the surface. It's just covering, it's the symptom of the problem for me. Like I had, you know, I had some trauma in my early twenties with sexual assault and so I think that was something I was covering up. I also was. Extremely shy and insecure and that made me anxious. And I, to this day, I'm still anxious getting sober, didn't fix the anxiety, but I have better coping skills where I'm not just like trying to drink to get through it or not really feeling the feelings, if that makes sense. But I,

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

yeah.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

I am like incredibly anxious. Like even now, if I'm like doing a presentation, I get like a little bit sweaty, like I'm nervous. I'm just a, a little bit of a nervous Nelly, honestly. So it was a combination of things for sure. But I think had I had a little bit more confidence and self-worth maybe earlier on in life, I would've been able to. You know, deal with it a little bit better rather than relying on alcohol. I mean, I think we're probably about the same age, but I think mental health is just becoming something that people talk about where I'm like, you know, if I went to therapy in my teens, maybe I could have solved some of these issues instead of thinking that alcohol was the solution and then taking, you know, 10 years to realize that it was actually ruining my life.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, a root cause of what was driving a lot of negative

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

in your life. the, the thing that you turned to is also the thing that betrays you in

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, I can resonate with all of that as well. So talk to us a little bit about what the treatment process was like for you so I can relate to needing to get out of your environment. To be able to take that exhale, really like take the time to really do the work and process what's happening. So what was that experience like for you in treatment and what were the big takeaways for you?

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

That's such a great question. So treatment, it was for me, like I just needed everything removed. Like I went to a pretty rigorous treatment where no cell phones We had a shared phone on the wall. I'm forgetting what it's called. Not a rotary, but like the

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

The one with the

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

yeah. We could get like 15 minutes at night to call someone. I had no tv, nail polish was off limits, like very serious. And you know, I think I, I think I really needed that. Just being able to really Focus on one thing. They also asked me, I don't know, this is so memorable to me, but when you go to the, the intake, they call it, they ask you questions. They give you like pajamas, they take away your phone, they take away everything. And they asked me what I like to do and I really did not know, which is so insane to me. They're like, what do you spend most of your time doing? And at the time, like, I loved my job, so I was always answering emails and working, and then I love to drink. And I was like, I, I don't even know. And like, I know we have this in common, we both love to travel. Like when I was in the city and I was drinking, I don't think I left the city for like two years. Like I was just there and I just was like in a bubble.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Bubble. It's insulating like there's, it reminds me, unfortunately, I have so many references to Sex in the City. I shouldn't say unfortunately, but it just reminds me of an episode where one of the girls can't remember if it was Carrie Miranda Charlotte, or Samantha, but they date a quintessential New York City guy who has never left New York in like 20 years and. when you bring that up, I'm like, yeah, like the majority of my twenties when I was living here, like I barely traveled. Like I was so content with just being like, this is my identity. I'm a New Yorker. And also like these are the things that New Yorkers do, which is drink and party and all of the things. So yeah. Thank you for sharing that. Like I just realized that about myself as well, because hobbies, what? Hobbies I like to drink. Like

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah,

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

my hobby. Yeah, it's a hobby.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

But but yeah, so treatment, I always think of that story. And then I think community was something like, I went in, like I was saying earlier, I thought I was literally going to prison. Like I was like, who am I gonna be rooming with? What is happening? And when I got there, I was so surprised to find out that it was all normal people, all people just like me and. I mean, it's so obvious to me now, but at the time I was so shocked because I just didn't have any sober people in my life or sober reference. But the community aspect was just huge. And also, I'm someone that I. I still, to this day, I think I'm a pretty good listener, but I at the time would let everybody tell me how they were doing and I would just kind of absorb it and not really share anything. And so that was really brought to my attention that in groups at the time, I would have to be like, called on.'cause I, I wasn't, I. Being vulnerable. I wasn't opening up. And that was something I really, really needed to do and work on for like a couple of years before I got comfortable. I mean, I'm doing it right now. But I had to actually share and get things out instead of bottling them up and then like letting them boil over. Because the boiling over for me is like, when I drink, I'm like, burnt out. I'm overwhelmed. I'm not talking. So I think those were my biggest takeaways, like community, hobbies, and then just like. Healthy ways to deal with stuff instead of bottling it up.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

I'm a talker actually. Like love to yap. But I realized too, like a lot of the conversations lacked up. Like

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

just be me talking about very surface level things and I didn't wanna be vulnerable. It was a way for me to. Control the conversation, right? Like if I'm just gonna talk about these things, I'm not giving myself an opportunity to really get to the root of what, what is going on in my life, or opening up and connecting with people on that and that this is why having this platform and having these conversations, I feel like is. A duty for others, but really for myself, if I'm being honest, Danielle, like I need to keep talking about my story because it helps remind me and ground me and just default mode. I'm not good about feeling or emotions and opening up and sharing with other people. I think partly I don't wanna be a burden, but also I don't want people to see me in a certain light

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

and so, so much of that can keep someone stuck. So I, I try to actively.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Work on that.'cause it's just not something, to be honest, that comes natural to me. So thank you for sharing that.'cause it helps me also share just in my experiences as well. So the 28

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Mm-hmm.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

what was life like? You know, returning to your every day,

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, so.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

you go back to.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

I did, I did, I think when I left. It's been so long now, but I think that they you know, a lot of people leave treatment and they go to new cities, and I did go back to my old life and it, you know. I, I'm, I love familiarity. So I did like that. At the time I was on leave, so I was able to really absorb all of the sobriety tools that New York City offers. So, I had to start in an outpatient facility in New York City, which to this day, like I, I still have such a soft spot for that organization. I also was going to a ton of meetings a lot of 12 step meetings, so. What's great about New York City is they're literally around the clock. Like I think even around big holidays they have like Hons and things like there's so much support. So I was really just trying them out and kinda seeing like which ones I was vibing with, if that makes sense. And just, I. You know, trying to find like-minded people so that I wasn't resorting to drinking. And I will say, I think the first, the first year for me was really tough. Like, I think I did go back to some old coping mechanisms like we were talking about earlier. I, I would go to meetings and listen, but I wasn't really ready to share. And unfortunately that did lead me back to another treatment. But. You know, I learned so much in that first year and I, I just feel like for me, it takes what it takes and it took kind of that next learning, you know, whatever issue if you will. And then I finally got sober and stayed, stayed a little bit closer to my sobriety once I was out of that treatment, if that makes sense.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Got it. makes a lot of sense and I think it's a good data point. Like so often people feel like they slip up or if they have quote, like a relapse, that that's it. Like that's the end of it. But I think it's a testament to your willpower and to your commitment to yourself and your goals. If you decide to follow up and go to, for example, another

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

facility or if you continue on that journey, I think that is where the beauty really comes through. And you've learned, from having any amount of sobriety under your belt, like you've learned some of these things. So I personally think it's easier to, I. Navigate a second or third go at it because you already know what you're capable of. You start to see maybe some of your blind spots clearer. And say that because I think so often people think that if they mess up, like that's

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

And it doesn't have to be. It's all about where you decide to go from

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, I think for me that, I mean, that's one of the hardest parts and I think you know, when I messed up, I, I was getting to the point where I was like, wow, I feel so embarrassing. Everybody else is getting this except for me, like there must be something wrong with me. But like everything else with sobriety, now that I'm where I am today, which is over three years sober, even though the first, I would say like one or two years were really a struggle, like I would. Progressively build. Like I couldn't do more than a week for a while. Then it was like 10 days then it was, you know, so it was a very slow build for me, and if I didn't stick with it, I wouldn't be where I am today. But it's really hard when you're in the thick of it. Like, I just feel for people like to go into a meeting and say like, Hey, I have one day again. It's. It's really hard to do, but to your point, it's like you've been here before. You know what to do. You can do it again. So I think it's so important to keep coming back because it will eventually stick. I just think everyone's process is different. I.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Everyone's process. That part is different, and I think we sometimes can be in our own way because we're obsessively thinking. Oh, people are going to judge me, right? Like, oh, here she goes again. Like she said that she was gonna do it this time. We'll see, and I actually don't think that, I mean, that could be a reality, but I think more often than not, we are overthinking how we are being perceived instead of like being kind to ourselves and understanding that this is a journey. It's not a race. And you know, if you need to build sobriety in your reservoir until you're finally sober, if that's the goal, then take what you need and follow the process. But like, I think we put a lot of pressure on ourselves sometimes to be perfect

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

and that can actually be more limiting and dangerous and detrimental to the overall outcome than we believe,

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Hello.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

we may assume so, yeah.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

And I don't know if you know this expression in the program, but it's like I came from my drinking, but I stayed for my thinking.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, I have heard that one. That's a great one.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

That idea that like, and I still, this is something I still struggle with sometimes. Like the idea that people are thinking about me constantly and my actions, like if I do something and I make a mistake, I hold onto that and I will not let go. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like Nadine's judging me and she's thinking about this. And it's like, you're literally like not spending a second thought on it. So

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah,

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

people.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

I've moved on. I still have those moments. I think back to like literally middle school one, one time in eighth grade I leaned over and I'd just gotten my very first thong. My pink thong showed and I was like, I literally, the other day I was thinking about that and I was like, cringe. is thinking.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

I love that.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, but we, we, you know, it's main character energy. Everyone should be the main character of their life. But sometimes I think we over, you know, overvalue how much people are thinking about us, whether it's good or bad.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

And they're the main character in their life, so they're thinking about themselves. So it's so funny, but

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

it's a very human experience and I love that. I wanna touch on community for a

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Because I too didn't know anyone sober.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

My life. I always joke, but it's the truth. Like I knew one sober girl she was my roommate for the first two years I lived in New York and she was sober because both of her parents were alcoholics and she grew up in AA meetings or going to meetings essentially. And so she just never drank. So I don't know if that's that is sober, but like it's a very different experience than that. I

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

people who have never had a sip of alcohol. I was joking with a friend of the show and she was. Saying that that she feels least connected to is the person that's like, oh, I just don't like alcohol. I just never had a taste for it. Isn't that hilarious? It's like, yeah, like I get that. I'm like, that's not relatable for me. That's not my story. Anyway, so that was sort of the sober. a point to what I had. And also this roommate, you know, I think she had good intentions. But she tried to have an intervention with me and I was just like, I don't need you to tell me what you think about my drinking as someone who has never had a drink kind of thing. So it was very much like. Big flop on her end. And I know she had good

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

but I was not trying to hear it from her. So anyway, I say all that to say that I think representation matters in terms of community, even like community seeking and building. And when you mentioned going to your 28 day program, you were so concerned about oh my God, who is going to be rooming with me?

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

people? And I felt the same way. You know, in a city like New York, thankfully there are many different. Recovery meetings, but I remember one of my first meetings, I was in a room with people that I just didn't feel like. Honestly, if I'm being real, like reflected who I was as a person, and so that was off-putting. I was just like, I don't see myself in these people. There's no way I'm an alcoholic, even though I know now that I'm an alcoholic. So I do think it's important to make connections with people that you feel like, to your point earlier. May have similar values or be like-minded or even be, you know, of the same gender, right? Like I was looking for women in my age group, relatively so, and that's where I ended up building the most community, which was through a women's meeting. That was remote and based in Miami, but all of these women were beautiful and fabulous. And I hate to sound superficial, but like I wanted to see that, oh my God, like these are girls that I would actually be friends with and they don't drink. So I would love to hear about how you sought community or how you found community in those early days. And then I would love to hear a little bit about no boos crew, because I know that it's all about community.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, so I think I was the same, the same way. So when I went away for treatment, obviously, you know, you're rooming, it's the same gender. So I was with all women, which was a lovely start for me. And then when I got out again, like, I mean, I would just look, there's some amazing apps where I would just try to find you know, I would look for women's meetings. I would also talk to people and they would say there's a great young person meeting. Like they actually have so many options that those are things that are types of meetings. And there were so many people. I mean, New York City, I feel very lucky. And then after Covid though, I moved to where I am now, which is a super remote part of Long Island. And there was no community. So I had one meeting in the morning that I could go to at 7:00 AM and if that time didn't work like that was, that was it for me. So that's actually when I started going to sober Instagram and really relying on that as a tool. And at the time,'cause it was covid, a lot of people were using sober Instagram to find community and stay sober and get sober. And then No Boost Crew really came about in October of 2022. I had found like such a great group of sober women and we wanted to give back. And I'll say that maybe in my first couple years I wasn't really in a place. Where I could give back, like I sort of needed to like put my oxygen mask on first. I could barely like, take care of myself. So no. Boost crew was really founded on the premise of, like, right now it's a virtual community of like-minded women. I mean, we're all over the United States and Canada. And it's basically just that idea. Like I think a lot of us have this idea that alcoholics or people that don't drink are weird or they're, you know, potentially bad people or don't have a moral compass. And so it's just the idea to bring people in and let them know like, Hey, we're all normal and we're just trying to deal with life without drinking. So that's kind of the idea behind it.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

I absolutely love that, and as mentioned. I went to remote meetings

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

and I needed to feel connected to other women who I felt like reflected or their lives at least reflected some semblance of my own life. And in hearing their stories, like listening and then also going back to what we shared about being vulnerable and sharing said meetings, I was able to do a lot of healing. Like there was just something so powerful from. Being able to connect to other people's story because it makes you feel less alone, right? Like, oh my God, like I wasn't the only one. That is just a game changer. And so I commend you on that for starting this, first of all, like that's incredible. But then also just being able to share this resource with other people around the world is incredible. Danielle.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Thank you so much. And I will say like that idea of like. I've had things that I've been so ashamed to say out loud. And then when I do, people are like, oh yeah, me too. And I'm like, oh my God, I feel so much better. But just I want people to know, like you and I, I think both went through this where like, I thought sober people I thought were weird. I thought life was gonna be over. And I just want people to know there's so many things out there, there's so many resources, there's mocktails. I think we both love Gia if I'm not wrong.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yes. Love

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Absolutely obsessed. Yeah.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Funny.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

With you starting No Boo Crew, and it sounds like you did go to AA meetings or are you able to talk a little bit about that?

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, so I did, I did in the beginning and I would, I actually would go back, honestly. I mean, when I'm in the city sometimes I go, I got so much out of them.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

But where I am, there's just not a lot of options and I, I also think different things work for different people.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah, I referenced the AA too because I think the thing that I loved and connected the most with is meeting people, like that connection piece, right? Having a space to share and hear other shares was like my favorite part of meetings. But I feel like sometimes. I don't have any issue with

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

sometimes still go to meetings, but I think for me, the part that felt a little bit isolating, if I'm being honest, I know they say take what you need and leave the rest, but I did feel like some people who were like really into AA made me feel like if I don't do things in accordance to their steps I would hear this more than once, like, you're gonna drink

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

And that for me felt very like, I don't know, I'm like, oh, if I don't do this thing,

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

I'm gonna drink again. I don't like that framing. And so what I love the most about the meetings I bring that up, is just simply the fact that I was meeting amazing women.

danielle_3_03-29-2025_115940:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_3_03-29-2025_115940:

That's why I think no boo crew is so needed because people just sometimes need a space to listen and be heard

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I'm wondering who is welcome to come to no booze crew. Do you have to be fully sober or in recovery? Can you be sober? Curious? Can you

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

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danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

So no boost crew. First and foremost it's an Instagram page. So we share inspiration, we share tips and then we do have biweekly women's meetings. So anyone that's interested in assessing their relationship with alcohol is welcome to join. We wanna welcome everybody. So we're just happy that people are showing up and that they're there no matter if they're questioning their drinking, if they've been sober for 10 years, if they're on a week sober. And then the way that we run the meeting, so I. Depending on the night, it's typically a, a small group, and we'll go around and it's a process group, which means we just process kind of what's going on for the group or what comes up naturally. So we'll usually do an intro and that contains like, how is your week? What's your highlight? What's your sober win? Are you struggling with anything right now? And then it's really up to the group. Like we really have a very open format, so it's not just like the group leader or the Nobu crew host that's interacting. It's like everybody is welcome to give support or feedback to each other. I. Yeah, and that's really it. I mean, it's pretty casual. We get people going through all different things. I think last week we were talking a little bit about people struggling with Kratam. We talk about drinking. Obviously we get people who are, trying to cut back. So, yeah, I think it's a very supportive community and we try to welcome really anyone who wants to be there and wants to listen and get support.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I love that so much and I'm gonna come to one if I'm okay, if that's okay. I would love to, because I as mentioned, I sometimes still go to The women's group that's a part of aa, but sometimes I just feel like because I'm not working the steps right now. And like all of the things, like I just, it's going back to what we talked about, like maybe it's just in my head and I'm overthinking how other people perceive me, but I do feel sometimes like, oh, I'm not doing things in fidelity to the program tenants and as a perfectionist, that makes me feel a little bad. Like, oh, I should be doing

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Probably a me thing, but still it's nice to have.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Right? It's nice to have different avenues.

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the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

So down a little bit here, Danielle, I would love to play a little getting to know you game. Is that okay?

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

let's do it.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Okay, cool. These are just like rapid fire questions, so don't overthink it. Like,

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Okay.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

comes to mind, let me know. Okay. So, my first question for you what is your go-to sober drink of choice?

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Ooh. I mean, I, I have to say I do love Gia that I mentioned earlier, but also just a seltzer girl, like if I need a sparkling water, there's so many good flavors.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I am the same way. I love Gia. I like the aperitif, like I

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah,

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

it's not too sweet. I'm not big on like super sweet drinks and I think Gia has that nice little kick. So I'm with you there. I'm also huge into sparkling water right now. I go through phases, but right now liquid death is my jam. Like just the plain one, like no flavor. What is your go-to? Because like as a super person, like we can get into it. What is your favorite seltzer?

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Well, to be honest, what's top of mind is day trip. I mean, all of their flavors are really good, but they just came out with some new ones and so I keep finding myself like craving one of those. So I'll probably have,

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

had day trip yet. Okay. Day trip.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

yeah, you have to. I can go get day trip.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

You're like, what? Okay. Is it available online or I'm assuming just online, or is it

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

It's online, but I actually discovered it I think in a. In a sober a, a no boost shop in the city.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I am gonna add that to my list. I'm super like snooty when it comes to seltzer. carbonation ratio, like I need all the things anyway. All right, so my next question for you is, what is one New York City memory drunk or sober that still makes you laugh?

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Oh, that's such a good question. ah, I wish I had a better one prepared, but I will say like when I was drinking, like I just, you know, I was so worried about being like fun and funny. Like I would just get so hammered and I had discovered Snapchat and for whatever reason in my. Did you ever have things that you just associated in your drunk mind that made no sense? Like when I picked up my Snapchat, I thought I was a news anchor. Like I would get drunk and I kept being like, Hey, we're reporting live from blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I like, it was just so bizarre and I just like, I couldn't shake that. Like I just thought I was a news anchor when I was drunk and like it was so weird.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I actually think that's hilarious because Snapchat too, like it disappears. It's not really, at least I haven't been on Snapchat in years, but when I was on there, like, it's not going out to the masses. It's just going out to the people who

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Right.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah,

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

So, yeah. That's absolute hilarious. You're like yeah, guys reporting live from, I don't know, the bathroom, like, here we go. No, I, I, I definitely, I actually like that Snapchat deletes because

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

that more social media accounts did that when I was drinking

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

would get on lives and embarrassed myself in many ways. But anyway. That's a good one. That's a very good one. I'm assuming you don't have Snapchat, because you still have that connection, that

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

No, no, no. I don't use Snapchat at all. I feel like I had like a very brief stint when I was drinking and then that Was that for Snapchat?

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I use Snapchat to send nudes. I'm gonna just put that on the record. That's what I, I don't have it anymore, but that's what I would use

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah I think that's what it was made for.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

the case. Yeah, I think that's what this was me for too. Okay. Not just me. See, I'm not alum. So my next question for you is, oh, because you like to travel. What has been your favorite travel destination? Sober.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Oh my gosh, so many. But I will say I went to the Al Mafi coast About a year ago. And so I'm Italian. I mean, you can maybe tell by my name, but I'd never been to Italy and just like, I'm actually gonna go back to Italy in a couple weeks. And Italy is beautiful and I feel so lucky to be able to do it sober and remember everything and like eat all the food and all the pastries and stuff.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Italy is one of my favorite countries. I went to Amalfi, like we did the coast. We did Positano, Capri,

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

but before I got sober I've been back to Italy since getting sober, but I have not been back to the Amalfi Coast, and it was one of my. places on earth. I mean, it's breathtaking,

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

was drunk the whole time And I am going to, I'm gonna speak it into existence. I will go back to be mouth, be sober because it is truly one of the most magical places

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I love that. So my final question for you getting to know Danielle, what is the best and worst piece of advice you've ever heard about sobriety?

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Ooh, that's a great question. I think the best I mean, it's so simple, but just like keep coming back, I mean. That to me, that's the first thing that popped into my head. Like, just keep trying.'cause I was someone who was literally like really, really struggling and had all these ambitions for like one year. You know, I was the person that a week sober. I was planning my one year and then I was, it was like I was drinking like the next week, but just keep coming back and stick with.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Going back.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

with the people like you. The worst advice, I mean, what's sticking in my head right now is kind of what you shared earlier is like the judgemental, the judgmental people who say like, telling you you can't do something. Even now if I have friends where I'm like, oh, I hope they're doing okay, like people have to get there on their own.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Yeah.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

And even to this day, I'm just not someone that likes to be really, my husband can attest. I don't like to be really told what to do. I think a lot of us are like that. And so, I mean, I think there were people saying like, I couldn't have my mental health medication, people saying I shouldn't have kombucha. And I just totally disagree with the sentiment that, you know, someone can tell you how to do your sobriety. So I think that's the worst advice.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Yeah, I resonate with both of what you shared. Like the best being, you know, keep coming back. I think it's like dot, dot, dot, It only works if you work it like that

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah,

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

too. It's like you have to kind of do the work

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

totally.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I, I realize that as well. Like, I'm like, okay, like I can keep showing up, but if I'm not, you

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

doing work on myself, then

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

It's not happening.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

yeah, it's, it's, and, and not to say that you will drink again, but like, I just think in general, like we have to take action and we have to like work on ourselves and keep optimizing because sobriety is like, for me. the most important fundamental step to take, but it's not, you know, fixed every area of my life. I still have to work in other ways, right? I still have to act and improve in other ways. So like I resonate a lot with that and yeah, the scare tactics. I don't like when people To tell me what to do either. Assuming best intentions, I think people are like, oh, like I wanna help you, so I'm gonna tell you if you don't do this, then there's a chance that you're relapse. But my story is not necessarily your story or your lived experience, so please stop limiting me.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah, and I think if people are trying to tell you what to do, like I try personally to keep it in like this worked for me because that I think is more helpful and they can take what they want from that.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I also think that in general, the way that we are hardwired as humans, like I. We respond better to personal testimonials, right? Like personal stories and experiences. If I were to have this podcast and always just be reading off the long laundry list of stats, like statistics as to why alcohol can and will ruin your life, like no one's gonna listen

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

right? Like it doesn't work. We immediately like, or at least my brain, like. Tunes off when I'm like overwhelmed with daunting information around like how I'm gonna die if I keep drinking. That's not gonna help me quit drinking.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

It's like, yeah, to your point, it's like, this is what I did, this is what worked for me. And if people resonate with that, then great. And if they don't, then they'll find out on their own

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah,

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

for them.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

totally.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Thank you so much for sharing that, Danielle. and so I have one final question for you.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

If anyone listening who's sober, curious, or thinking about their relationship with alcohol, what advice could you offer to them or what would you want them to know about sobriety or just your journey in general? I.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah, I love that question. I would say that sobriety, like there's this corny expression about sobriety and like a life beyond your wildest dreams, but I think it rings true in terms of like, you're not living up to your full potential if you're drinking or you're spending your time hung over. So I think don't be afraid to try. Don't be afraid to like slide into people's dms. Like reach out. There's so many opportunities with sobriety. Like I think my whole last five, six years wouldn't have been possible without sobriety.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Yeah. I love that so much. Yeah, you can't optimize your life, in my opinion,

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

So

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

if you're still tethered to alcohol.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I think for me too, it's like if you're questioning, don't overthink it, but if you're questioning your relationship with alcohol, then would argue that. There's something there,

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

like intuitively we know before we're ready to acknowledge sometimes, but that inner knowing like do not silence that voice or that thought. So thank you for sharing all of that today, Danielle. I have felt very connected to hearing parts of your story and I would love to open the platform for you to share, like if people want to connect with you. You mentioned sliding in the dms, like how can people find you and how can they connect with no booze crew?

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Thank you and thank you so much for having me. It's been so nice to chat. So you can find me on Instagram at that sober glow I get a lot of dms. Feel free to reach out if you need support or wanna chat about anything. And then you can also reach out to No Boost Crew on Instagram. There's a group of six of us who will connect with you and are here to help and support.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

I love that so much and I am so excited to see you. When you go back to I Italy

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

couple weeks, I'm gonna be so jealous, but love that jealous in the best way possible.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

Yeah.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

love Italy, so please. Keep showing us how amazing life can look without alcohol, because that's another thing I do think you do amazingly. When you take your trips, you are showing us the vantage points, the views, the food, like just showing all the beauty that can exist sober travel. That's so needed as well. Like people need to see it sometimes to believe it.

danielle_4_03-29-2025_122453:

And we need to trade.'cause you do the same,'cause you have the best travel racks. So.

the-sober-butterfly_4_03-29-2025_122452:

Thank you.

the-sober-butterfly_5_04-24-2025_215601:

One of the most powerful reminders I learned from hearing Daniel's story is all around healing and the fact that healing isn't always linear, but it is always possible, especially when you're surrounded by a community that gets it. I hope today's episode gave you something to think about and something to also smile about. You can connect with Danielle on Instagram at that sober glow and also check out her virtual community at no booze crew. Everything will be linked below in the show notes. They are doing such important and uplifting work for sober women everywhere. If this episode resonated, please share it with a friend. Post it on your stories, or just shoot me a dm. I love hearing your feedback and what's truly landing with you guys. And remember butterflies, you are allowed to choose a different path. You're allowed to glow without the booze. So until next time, keep glowing and keep staying true to you. I love you so much, butterflies. See you next Friday. Bye.